Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode, Layla's got a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roads. It's
Speaker 1: called Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. But not all the
Speaker 1: wives are necessarily wives.
Speaker 2: Well, look, things happen. Life happens. Yes, wives get divorced
Speaker 2: and then they move on and they get new boyfriends,
Speaker 2: or they marry, or they enjoy single life. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you get all of the above. It's a mixed bag,
Speaker 2: just like life is.
Speaker 1: But Layla that we're talking about is Layla Taylor. Of course,
Speaker 1: one of the stars of the hit show. It's a
Speaker 1: hit show, but last year season one, it took a
Speaker 1: bunch of hits after the season aired, and all that
Speaker 1: was talked when it first got pitched to us, we
Speaker 1: had a couple of folks in the studio with us.
Speaker 1: They said, oh, yeah, the swinging scandal. That's all we
Speaker 1: heard about was the swinging scandal. Is it over yet?
Speaker 2: I think the swinging scandal is over, but there are
Speaker 2: more scandals to be had, because look, I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting these this group of women were trying to modernize
Speaker 2: or at least show the world. We all have our
Speaker 2: our thoughts about what the Mormon Church is what it means,
Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, y'all got it all wrong. We're
Speaker 2: just like you in a lot of ways. We make mistakes.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we drink, sometimes we curse, sometimes we sometimes we
Speaker 2: have sex with people who aren't our husband's I mean whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think that was the intent at least to
Speaker 2: kind of pull back the curtains. And you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Some people were offended, some people were shocked,
Speaker 2: and some people couldn't stop watching.
Speaker 1: So I should say that the young ladies sitting in
Speaker 1: our studio right now was not caught up in that
Speaker 1: swinger skin.
Speaker 3: She was not.
Speaker 1: I should make sure we say that we we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Leayla Taylor was on the show. She was a part
Speaker 1: of the I keep messing. I want to say mon
Speaker 1: talk because of.
Speaker 2: Where we're from, right, it sounds like mon mon talk
Speaker 2: like Montauk, New York. It's just north of or east
Speaker 2: of the Hampton's.
Speaker 1: But it's mom hawk talk like as in TikTok. And
Speaker 1: that is where they absolutely made their mark. They absolutely
Speaker 1: blew up. They continue to have a huge, a massive following.
Speaker 1: But Layla Taylor was a part of that original group
Speaker 1: and a part of the season one hit, which is
Speaker 1: now coming back for another season. Miss Layla Taylor in
Speaker 1: the studio with us. Now Laila's got a boyfriend. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna meet this guy on the season?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: We will? How How many how many shows in do
Speaker 1: we have to go to meet this guy?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like?
Speaker 2: How many episodes?
Speaker 4: I think he's introduced on the second episode, so we
Speaker 4: only got into the first That's why we didn't know.
Speaker 1: I have right, we don't know anything. You're not public
Speaker 1: yet with.
Speaker 3: No, Well we're not together.
Speaker 2: You not together anymore, so you have to watch the
Speaker 2: arc of your relationship play out in front of everyone.
Speaker 4: Ya.
Speaker 2: How do you How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be hard for sure, just because
Speaker 4: I feel like, looking back at a relationship too, I'm
Speaker 4: kind of like questioning a lot of things and questioning
Speaker 4: his general like intentions with being with me. But I
Speaker 4: think at the same time, like I'm able to share
Speaker 4: what it's like to date as a single mom and
Speaker 4: kind of like the dating culture in Utah. It's such
Speaker 4: a mess there, honestly, and it's very unique experience. So
Speaker 4: if I can kind of shed light on that and
Speaker 4: share that, I'm happy about it.
Speaker 2: I have so many questions. Do so when we're watching
Speaker 2: the season, because we of course will be tuning in
Speaker 2: to all the other episodes. We just were able to
Speaker 2: see the first episode. But do you all end the
Speaker 2: season together like all of.
Speaker 3: Us girls know you and your guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, okay, So this is a surprise for
Speaker 2: folks who will be watching the season. Yes, it turns
Speaker 2: out after the cameras went away, so did your Relationshipah.
Speaker 1: How long after the cameras went away?
Speaker 3: It was like just right after whoa?
Speaker 1: Because you talked about his intentions and that's something that
Speaker 1: was talked about in the very first episode. It's got
Speaker 1: to be a little tough for dating now because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are seeking you out to build it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're running out.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's something that I'm very cautious about,
Speaker 4: and you know, people will put on the front and
Speaker 4: say like, oh, I don't care about that. I don't
Speaker 4: care about show, I don't care about any of that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a part of it. But
Speaker 4: it was convenient that every single time the cameras are up,
Speaker 4: that man loved the.
Speaker 3: Camera loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Now now this honestly, is even more interesting to
Speaker 2: watch because you can see for yourself or judge for
Speaker 2: yourself when you see how the two of you interact
Speaker 2: when the cameras are on and now knowing what you're
Speaker 2: telling us, that's fascinating but also heartbreaking. Have you seen
Speaker 2: any of the episodes yet?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna see it all when it drops, So it's
Speaker 4: gonna be definitely interesting to watch about all of us girls,
Speaker 4: Like we'll hear things like when we go to like
Speaker 4: pressling things like that, people are like, oh, like this here,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, keep telling me more because like
Speaker 4: we haven't seen any think I'm like, just fill the
Speaker 4: whole whole season for me.
Speaker 1: I have the episode up now if you want to.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: That's too bad, but that's a part of it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a complete relationship conversation here, but that
Speaker 1: is that actually sucks. And for people who are listening now, oh,
Speaker 1: young women, young men who deal with like how do
Speaker 1: you know what do you see? You have a you
Speaker 1: had a unique situation and that you were a star
Speaker 1: of this huge, phenomenal, phenomenal show, so you could see
Speaker 1: why somebody would come and try to increase their followers
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, but for the rest, for
Speaker 1: normal folks who are dating, what did you see that
Speaker 1: everybody should be aware of that you look back and go,
Speaker 1: I come on, I knew this dude was not on
Speaker 1: the up and up.
Speaker 3: Love bombing yea bombing.
Speaker 4: The first start of our relationship, he came in extremely
Speaker 4: hot right away, Like I think he said I love
Speaker 4: you to me two weeks into seeing each other. We
Speaker 4: were official a month into seeing each other, so very
Speaker 4: just hot from the start, would overdo the guests, would
Speaker 4: overdo the words of affirmation and just saying things that
Speaker 4: I was like, well, that's crazy to say. I think,
Speaker 4: like two months into seeing charge of he was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: one day when we get engaged, and like when we
Speaker 4: get married, and he would refer to like my kids
Speaker 4: as like, oh, like our family and things like that.
Speaker 4: So just very aggressive from the get go. And I
Speaker 4: feel like as a single mom though, like I crave
Speaker 4: like a family. So like when I was hearing that,
Speaker 4: like it was it was what you want to hear,
Speaker 4: what I wanted to hear and I feel and he
Speaker 4: knew that, and he knew exactly how to kind of
Speaker 4: like get me in and get me good.
Speaker 2: It's called manipulation. I know that. You know it's funny because, yes, TJ,
Speaker 2: I think maybe was it a year ago when we
Speaker 2: started talking about love bombing, you were like, what is
Speaker 2: love bombing? But the point being is it's disingenuous and
Speaker 2: it's manipulative, and really, when you think about it, it
Speaker 2: tends to be done by people who are trying to
Speaker 2: feel something, so they love bombing you so that you'll
Speaker 2: love them and then they'll fill love. So it's not
Speaker 2: even really about them loving you. It's about them wanting
Speaker 2: you to give them feelings of affirmation and love. It's
Speaker 2: it's not at all love. It's the opposite of love.
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting narcissism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is he already We broke up less than two
Speaker 4: months ago and he's already in a new relationship.
Speaker 2: Which is all you needed to know.
Speaker 3: Very telling.
Speaker 4: He's just one of those people I don't think can
Speaker 4: be alone, and he seeks a lot of his validation
Speaker 4: through others, and I understand that it's definitely a very
Speaker 4: mature or immature characteristic to have, and hopefully he can
Speaker 4: work through that and find like joy in his self.
Speaker 4: I feel like you don't need someone to validate you
Speaker 4: all the time, so that will hopefully come with age
Speaker 4: for him. But and my friend had sent me a
Speaker 4: screenshot of like what he posted about his girlfriend on
Speaker 4: his story, and it's very similar to how he would
Speaker 4: speak about me, like the most resilient person I've ever met,
Speaker 4: the most amazing person I've ever met. And I was like,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what you're telling me two months ago.
Speaker 2: So how did how did you how did you meet
Speaker 2: how did you meet him? And yeah, how did he
Speaker 2: come into your life?
Speaker 3: Hinge?
Speaker 2: Hinge?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've learned my lesson. I met my ex husband too,
Speaker 4: actually on Mormon dating app, and I just feel like
Speaker 4: they never work out for me. I'm going to stay
Speaker 4: far away from dating apps moving forward now because two
Speaker 4: for two now on failed relationship.
Speaker 2: Oh don't you're in a safe space. We both have
Speaker 2: two divorces. So it turns out if you end up
Speaker 2: with your best friend that actually has been so far,
Speaker 2: I'd say so far it absolutely has been the most successful,
Speaker 2: most amazing relationship because it was built on friendship, not
Speaker 2: on love bombing or just immediate gratification, genuine connection. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 2: that breaks up.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about relationships podcast We have different
Speaker 1: podcasts and doing so It's just that I'm very disappointed
Speaker 1: to hear not just about the breakup because that sounds
Speaker 1: like a good thing, but that somebody came into your
Speaker 1: life and tried to do this right as soon and
Speaker 1: you're talking what was the reason he gave? Like at
Speaker 1: the end of the show you said it was pretty quick,
Speaker 1: like it was.
Speaker 4: It was a very abrupt breakup too. It was very unexpected.
Speaker 4: We were actually planning on going to Disneyland with my
Speaker 4: kids the next day. We had a flights booked, I
Speaker 4: had everything set up, it was ready to go. I
Speaker 4: actually booked his flights and everything, so kind of funny.
Speaker 4: And came over that night after he got off of
Speaker 4: work and he's like you came and crying, bawling his
Speaker 4: eyes out. I was like, that's that's odd. Why is
Speaker 4: he like upset? And I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: like are you okay? And he goes we're done and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: What, yeah, so you had no idea this was the.
Speaker 4: Previous day like the same thing, like I love you
Speaker 4: so much, I can't wait to spend the rest of
Speaker 4: your life for me, and just comes to my house
Speaker 4: and it's like we're done. And I was just very
Speaker 4: caught off guard and just extremely confused because I really
Speaker 4: did not expect it. I've never been so caught off guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm assuming you asked to follow up?
Speaker 3: Oh I did?
Speaker 4: I was like, what, Like, did I do something? Did
Speaker 4: I say something like what's going on? Because at that moment,
Speaker 4: like I was pretty like very very into this man.
Speaker 4: You know, we were talking future things like yeah, I
Speaker 4: was probably abrupt and too soon, Like I genuinely did
Speaker 4: see a future with him. So it sucked for sure,
Speaker 4: And I was like, did I do something? Like, I'm
Speaker 4: just so confused, And he just mentioned a couple of
Speaker 4: things that he didn't want moving forward, So he was
Speaker 4: like I didn't love the show, Like I don't know
Speaker 4: if I want this to be a part of my life.
Speaker 4: But like I said, the season never at that and
Speaker 4: he was never against the show when he was filming,
Speaker 4: when I would be like, hey, like they might want
Speaker 4: to film this, are you okay that? Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Like what time do you need me there? Very like
Speaker 4: enthusiastic and like wanting to be a part of this comerience.
Speaker 4: So I was like, okay, like, that's that's a little
Speaker 4: interesting that you don't like this now, but you never
Speaker 4: had an issue with it before. And then religions because
Speaker 4: we're a part of or he is. I'm not very
Speaker 4: active and I wasn't very active when I met him,
Speaker 4: and that was never an issue for him. And then
Speaker 4: right when we were like mid day, he was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I want to start being active again. I was like okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: Like if that's important to you, then that's important to me.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's an important thing to do when
Speaker 4: like you're in a relationship and you're trying to be
Speaker 4: serious to the person is kind of take on what
Speaker 4: they love and what makes them happy and kind of
Speaker 4: try to support them in that. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: Like I'll start to go to church with you on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I can't promise you how active I'll be, but I'll
Speaker 4: try for you. And he would just do very kind
Speaker 4: of double standard things that he would We would go
Speaker 4: to church. In five minutes into getting home, he's trying
Speaker 4: to rip my clothes off and have sex with me.
Speaker 4: So it's just like things like that and that's not okay,
Speaker 4: and like the church, so it was just like the
Speaker 4: double standards there were hard. He didn't like Matt I
Speaker 4: was getting into modeling. He didn't like that I made
Speaker 4: a lot of money. I just think very insecure, unfortunately.
Speaker 4: And I think that in the church, we're kind of
Speaker 4: taught that the men are at the forefront of the
Speaker 4: household and they're the bread winners and they kind of
Speaker 4: rule the household and kind of things like that, and
Speaker 4: I think that's what he had in his head for
Speaker 4: like his future. And I'm super hyper independent, I obviously
Speaker 4: it would be the breadwinner on a relationship and things
Speaker 4: like that. I think that that was really hard for
Speaker 4: him to like understand that.
Speaker 2: He didn't have any of these conversations with you about
Speaker 2: any of this. He just dropped a bomb after he
Speaker 2: loved bombed you. Then he dropped the bomb of yeah,
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 3: Yeah no.
Speaker 4: And he did this to me a previous time in
Speaker 4: our relationship as well, And I think that's shown on
Speaker 4: season two that he abruptly broke up with me another
Speaker 4: time too. Didn't really say much reasoning. He just says like,
Speaker 4: I don't feel like this is right, and then later
Speaker 4: gave me reconings and completely I think they actually showed this,
Speaker 4: but completely like ripping me apart, telling me everything that
Speaker 4: I'm doing wrong, and just kind of like picking me
Speaker 4: apart and looking back, I just wanted to be loved
Speaker 4: so badly, so in that moment, I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'll fix all of this, like I'm so,
Speaker 4: so so sorry. And then we ended up breaking up
Speaker 4: like officially like a month after that. But I think
Speaker 4: he just there's this kind of toxicness with you. How
Speaker 4: that I was mentioning like the dating culture. I think
Speaker 4: everyone there seeks perfection to an unnecessarily a necessary level.
Speaker 4: I feel like everyone is so after that and they
Speaker 4: want their partner to be completely perfect and that's not attainable.
Speaker 2: When you say people in Utah, are you talking about Mormons.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's something that's like literally embedded into
Speaker 4: people's brains that perfection is something that you need to
Speaker 4: have and you need to seek that, and if you're
Speaker 4: not perfect, then like you're not as worthy.
Speaker 2: I feel like, so I obviously have well, I have
Speaker 2: very limited knowledge of the Mormon church, but I did
Speaker 2: have a friend growing up who was and she explained
Speaker 2: it to me that the more successful you are, the
Speaker 2: more seemingly perfect you are. It's regarded as God shining
Speaker 2: a light on you. So by being perfect or being
Speaker 2: close to being perfect, and having the perfect family and
Speaker 2: having your kids all stay warm, and it's actually proof
Speaker 2: to the other members of the congregation that you are
Speaker 2: loved by God. Yes, is that correct?
Speaker 4: I don't think necessarily loved by God, but I think
Speaker 4: it's just you socially are more accepted. You're socially more
Speaker 4: like loved. I feel like it's just looks and how
Speaker 4: you present yourself as very very important in Utah, and
Speaker 4: people talk like no other and things get around quickly,
Speaker 4: and if you're not showing up to church like, people
Speaker 4: are noticing.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of judgment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of judgment if you're gone missions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone is very very judgmental in the stay And
Speaker 4: it's super hard, especially if we're regarding the show. When
Speaker 4: the show first came out in the show title or release,
Speaker 4: the amount of hate that we got from people that
Speaker 4: claim to be very active members, which you're not supposed
Speaker 4: to judge, you know, if you look in scriptures, the
Speaker 4: only person that was supposed to judgeus is God. So
Speaker 4: to have like the backlash from the members was very interesting,
Speaker 4: And now they've lightened up a lot since the show's
Speaker 4: come out, and they kind of see that, like, we're
Speaker 4: not misrepresenting, We're just showing people at different levels within
Speaker 4: the faith and that's beautiful, I think, and they've kind
Speaker 4: of like stepped back since then. But yeah, it's kind
Speaker 4: of funny that it's always the members that are the
Speaker 4: most active that are the most judgmental.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the most judgmental folks I've ever met?
Speaker 1: Are the most religious folks the ones sitting in the
Speaker 1: front row?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that There's been that way my entire life.
Speaker 2: And I used to always say, who did Jesus hang
Speaker 2: out with us? Yeah? Really like the degenerate. It's like
Speaker 2: us after the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the people who
Speaker 2: were considered outcast in society for whatever it was. That's us,
Speaker 2: I know exactly. I'm including us in all of that. Yes,
Speaker 2: but that is the truth, and that's something that I
Speaker 2: think is so often forgotten. You said you part of
Speaker 2: the reason he gave you for not wanting to be
Speaker 2: in a relationship with you anymore was that you had
Speaker 2: stepped back from the church. Why have you was you
Speaker 2: stepping back from the church a part of being a
Speaker 2: member of mom talk and why did you do that?
Speaker 4: No, I convert to the church when I was sixteen,
Speaker 4: so at a very very young age. And my reason,
Speaker 4: frickin birting, is that I kind of had like a
Speaker 4: messy life growing up, and my home life was kind
Speaker 4: of a wreck, and I didn't really have that family
Speaker 4: unit that like a lot of families in the church
Speaker 4: present themselves with having. And I started kind of spending
Speaker 4: a lot of times with my friends at their families,
Speaker 4: and I would come over for scripture studies, and I
Speaker 4: just always admired how close their family seemed on the outside.
Speaker 4: And that's something that I just wanted so badly for myself.
Speaker 4: So I started taking missionary lessons, where they have missionaries
Speaker 4: come to your house and they teach you about like
Speaker 4: the fundamental things behind the church. So honestly, like when
Speaker 4: I converted, I didn't know a lot.
Speaker 2: You were sixteen.
Speaker 3: I was sixteen. I was a baby.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're still just twenty four, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm still is yes, I mean absolutely, But I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool that you can be open about all
Speaker 2: of that. I see someone who was looking for love
Speaker 2: and looking for belonging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and that's what I wanted really badly.
Speaker 4: I just thought, my little six year old brain, like,
Speaker 4: if I'm a part of the church and they preach
Speaker 4: so much that family is like the center of everything,
Speaker 4: then like I could have that one day if I converted.
Speaker 3: To the church.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of whereing my mind went in that moment.
Speaker 4: And now that I'm older, I've kind of like done
Speaker 4: my own research on my own and kind of figured
Speaker 4: out some things that like I don't necessarily love about
Speaker 4: the church or things that I do love, like the
Speaker 4: community and the family aspect is amazing, but there's just
Speaker 4: some things that morally I don't align with and I
Speaker 4: can't be part of something that I don't completely like
Speaker 4: align with. Yeah, so's it's hard for me. And I
Speaker 4: still have so much respect for it because at that
Speaker 4: point in my life, I was going through a lot
Speaker 4: of mental health issues and kind of at the peak
Speaker 4: of those things in my life. So I feel like
Speaker 4: it was a really big saving grace for me that
Speaker 4: I really really needed to get through that hard time
Speaker 4: in my life. But now I'm just older and it's
Speaker 4: just not for me and yeah, just nothing but respect
Speaker 4: for the churches again helped me a lot, but just
Speaker 4: not something that I associate myself with.
Speaker 1: Wait, I how here you know you're on the show
Speaker 1: called The Secret Laws of Mormon. Wow, you're no longer
Speaker 1: a Mormon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, neither is Jesse. A couple of our cast members
Speaker 4: aren't active. Mikayla isn't, Miranda isn't. So yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: the Secret Life more and wise. But I think we're
Speaker 4: also we all have upbringings within the church, and I
Speaker 4: feel like that's what we share on the show is
Speaker 4: like we started out Mormon, or we might not be
Speaker 4: active anymore, but we have had some type of relation
Speaker 4: with the church. And then the wife part obviously, like
Speaker 4: all of us have been married at some point and
Speaker 4: things like that. So yeah, I think it's honestly refreshing though,
Speaker 4: to show that side of it, that it's religion's not
Speaker 4: linear and it's okay to help like ups and downs
Speaker 4: and like who knows, like maybe one day would come
Speaker 4: back to the church. Probably won't, but I think it's
Speaker 4: cool to just show that, like you can have different levels,
Speaker 4: but as long as you're a good person, that's all
Speaker 4: that matters.
Speaker 1: Even though Mormon is in the tile now. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: That just an ancillary part of the show is because
Speaker 1: people see that and they might immediately think this is
Speaker 1: a religious it's going to be. I watched the first
Speaker 1: episode that was very little, and watched last season as well. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: where where does Mormonism now play in the show.
Speaker 4: I think it's very minimal. Honestly, I feel like they
Speaker 4: had it a little bit in the first season. But
Speaker 4: a lot of the girls are honestly like on their
Speaker 4: own faith journeys right now, and I can't speak for
Speaker 4: them and where they're at, but I think all of
Speaker 4: us are kind of just yeah, on our own journeys,
Speaker 4: and I think that they they mention it sometimes here
Speaker 4: and there, but I feel like the show is generally
Speaker 4: not really about it. It's kind of just about like
Speaker 4: our lives and our dynamics.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like the opening scene of everyone in
Speaker 2: Mormon garb holding hands with the mountain, like, that's probably
Speaker 2: the most religious part of the whole show.
Speaker 1: The opening, And then they go to a clip saying, yeah.
Speaker 2: The oh my goodness, So you have two children. What
Speaker 2: are their ages?
Speaker 4: My oldest is named Oliver in his three and then
Speaker 4: is his name. Maximis so little, so they're they don't
Speaker 4: know what's going on.
Speaker 2: They're not this isn't affecting their lives. Nomy just goes
Speaker 2: to a significant way.
Speaker 4: Yeah No, And me and my ex decided not to
Speaker 4: show them on the show honestly, like, I just feel
Speaker 4: like this is my experience and it's totally fine. Of
Speaker 4: one day they come to me and they're like, mom, like,
Speaker 4: I would love to be a part of this. I
Speaker 4: would obviously cautiously kind of like introduce them to this world.
Speaker 4: But I think right now, they're just so young they
Speaker 4: can't verbally consent to being a part of this, and
Speaker 4: I would never want to exploit them. And anyway, I
Speaker 4: know some of the girls show their kids, and that's
Speaker 4: totally their call. They're their parents, not me, So if
Speaker 4: they feel comfortable doing it, that's totally fine. I just
Speaker 4: feel like this world's so scary and you never know
Speaker 4: what people are gonna say about your kids or look
Speaker 4: at them a certain way, things like that, so I
Speaker 4: just would rather just protect them from this world.
Speaker 1: Is there a villain this season? Oh for sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it was clearly was it Whitney.
Speaker 3: Whitney was Whitney.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so this season Whitney still I know she's back.
Speaker 3: No, actually not Whitney.
Speaker 2: She's not, is it Miranda?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, Miranda. She kind of got thrown into something ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she backed out when because she was the
Speaker 2: one I guess. I mean, this is the part I've
Speaker 2: already seen where it's acknowledged she was in the swinging
Speaker 2: group and she left when she felt like she was
Speaker 2: out in and now she's back, which I actually thought
Speaker 2: was a pretty cool hook if you followed the show
Speaker 2: the first season. This is actually like a really nice
Speaker 2: through line to see it. Actually you get to see
Speaker 2: the person put a face with the name yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, but then what are you right? Usually most of
Speaker 1: the groups have groups of women. She's the villainy this.
Speaker 4: What you're the what I feel like season one, I
Speaker 4: was definitely a lot more quiet and reserved. I feel
Speaker 4: like I was honestly so scared that I was afraid to.
Speaker 3: Like make the wrong move. And I was going through
Speaker 3: so much mentally too.
Speaker 4: It was just freshly divorced and kind of navigating that
Speaker 4: world as a single mom, So I was definitely really quiet.
Speaker 4: I feel like season two, I've become a lot more vocal.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm like, I feel like I'm a
Speaker 4: lot of like comedic relief for having like a funny
Speaker 4: or a hard moment. I feel like I'm always doing
Speaker 4: something that's like funny to kind of like break up
Speaker 4: the tenseness that I feel like I'm pretty neutral. I
Speaker 4: will have my opinion for sure, but I feel like,
Speaker 4: for the most part, I love to hear both sides
Speaker 4: of it before I like jump to conclusions and jump
Speaker 4: down people's throats. But yeah, definitely a little bit more
Speaker 4: on my spicy side is coming out the season, which
Speaker 4: I'm excited for.
Speaker 1: How different are the folks when the cameras go off,
Speaker 1: is what we're seeing? I mean, I know there's some yeah,
Speaker 1: a little element of performative when it comes to these shows,
Speaker 1: But are these the same folk? Because we were taken
Speaker 1: by Taylor when she was here, we liked her, Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: oh she got the same in it. She seemed the same.
Speaker 1: But how much are we seeing that.
Speaker 4: A lot of the girls are pretty genuine. There's definitely
Speaker 4: some girls I won't name names, but they're here, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll say I feel like Jen, She's will have conversations
Speaker 4: before we start filming that She's like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna bring it, and I'm like, oh lord, just bring herself.
Speaker 3: Actually, you don't need to do the most.
Speaker 4: So there's definitely some girls that definitely the second those
Speaker 4: things are up, they kind of over dramatize things, which
Speaker 4: I mean make good TV, right, But I think I
Speaker 4: don't try to operate that way. I try to operate
Speaker 4: as like, as authentically as I can. And if you
Speaker 4: think I'm boring, if you think I'm quiet, that's on you.
Speaker 4: But I'd rather do that than do the most.
Speaker 2: Uh, that makes a lot of sense. How did you
Speaker 2: even get in? I know you were part of the
Speaker 2: mom talk. Did you did you ever think I shouldn't
Speaker 2: do this, I don't want to do this or were
Speaker 2: you all in from the beginning? And how did you
Speaker 2: navigate that with your recent ex husband because obviously when
Speaker 2: you share custody with someone you've just gotten divorced. Did
Speaker 2: he weigh in? I'm just curious how you made the
Speaker 2: decision to actually enter into this world and did you
Speaker 2: know what you were getting into?
Speaker 4: So actually I was cast onto this show when I
Speaker 4: was still married to him. So they went to go
Speaker 4: cast more Girls after Taylor had her rest because they
Speaker 4: needed to potentially fill her spot, but then she ended
Speaker 4: up obviously coming back, and that's when they casted me
Speaker 4: Jesse and Jen and he was there with me for
Speaker 4: my initial interviews with them with our production company and
Speaker 4: yeah this so I was casted technically with him, So
Speaker 4: he was okay with it at that moment. Now he's
Speaker 4: like always will say like shit to me about it
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but I think it's just coming
Speaker 4: from jealousy probably, But navigating this world's definitely been interesting.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's so hard to share so many
Speaker 4: vulnerable aspects of your life and have the public see
Speaker 4: it and comment on it and share their opinions on
Speaker 4: things that like are so personal for you. But I
Speaker 4: also love it because I've had so many women reach
Speaker 4: out to me for silly things like the orgasm thing,
Speaker 4: Like I didn't think that was going to get big.
Speaker 4: I honestly thought it was going to be something that
Speaker 4: was like passed over and not a big deal.
Speaker 3: But I've had so many women reach out to me.
Speaker 4: They were like, thank you for sharing this and normalizing this,
Speaker 4: Like I have an experienced one and then I can
Speaker 4: help them out and like share tips and things like that.
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's really nice to be able
Speaker 4: to connect with people that have similar experiences.
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, Yeah, that you were willing to
Speaker 2: do that, because anyone who was raised in a very
Speaker 2: religious background probably had the same experience but just doesn't
Speaker 2: or don't feel comfortable talking about it. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: by not talking about it. Women. Look, it's not a given.
Speaker 2: If you haven't been shown or you don't know how,
Speaker 2: how are you going to figure it out? You have
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So I think that's really cool
Speaker 2: that you did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm really happy I did for sure, especially
Speaker 4: just like you said, there's a lot of religious shame
Speaker 4: that comes around sex and general because you're taught to
Speaker 4: not have it until you get married, and then magically
Speaker 4: when you're marriage was to be.
Speaker 2: Like suddenly you'll just have an orgasm. Because your husband,
Speaker 2: who also wasn't wasn't also raised to be happy, how
Speaker 2: would he know how to do it?
Speaker 3: Exp you.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all these things that no one it's
Speaker 2: too taboo to talk about. We'll have violent video games
Speaker 2: and we'll all go watch, you know, people get their head,
Speaker 2: you know, chopped off in a movie. But we won't
Speaker 2: talk about sex, and we won't talk about orgasms or
Speaker 2: the female orgasm. For sure.
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable, are you?
Speaker 2: And before listeners who don't know, will you share a
Speaker 2: little bit of that story with us?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was.
Speaker 4: I think I was twenty three when we were filming
Speaker 4: that season, or twenty two. I don't know which one,
Speaker 4: but twenty two, just barely divorced and have had multiple
Speaker 4: sexual partners and never experienced an orgasm. And I felt
Speaker 4: a lot of shame around it anytime that, Like women
Speaker 4: would encourage me, like, hey, we'll try using the vibrator
Speaker 4: by yourself, Like I would feel grossed out by myself
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my gosh, I shouldn't be doing this,
Speaker 4: shouldn't be touching myself, Like this is so gross that
Speaker 4: I'm doing this. And even and sex too, I always
Speaker 4: felt like I was there to like pleasure the man,
Speaker 4: and if I walked away not feeling any it's fine
Speaker 4: because like, well he got.
Speaker 3: Off, that's all.
Speaker 2: Honestly, that is what a lot of women are.
Speaker 3: Raised to believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, for sure, especially in religious groups.
Speaker 1: Gets ask, really, is that a lesson? Are you sat
Speaker 1: down and taught that or that's just kind of naturally
Speaker 1: what occurs in conversation that you're right, well.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean I was raised in a
Speaker 2: church where it was all about procreation. There was no
Speaker 2: talk about pleasure. There's no topic. And obviously we know
Speaker 2: men can get.
Speaker 4: Because I feel like there's is like a visual yes
Speaker 4: like that they so you know that they're fine, but
Speaker 4: like ours isn't like visually.
Speaker 2: For a lot, never discussed and it's never something that
Speaker 2: you even think that you should you deserve, but then
Speaker 2: it's a part of it, like it was never discussed,
Speaker 2: like this is.
Speaker 4: A part of honestly, Like I didn't really even know
Speaker 4: what it. Like was like I know what, like you
Speaker 4: hear the word orgasm, but I'm like, oh, like what
Speaker 4: is that feeling? And like anytime like I would like
Speaker 4: think I was experiencing it, I was like, oh, like
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it was, so like this feels weird.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, Okay, get off me, because they didn't
Speaker 4: know what it was. Because they had no knowledge of it.
Speaker 4: I never had the birds in these talks with my parents.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of like they are one of
Speaker 4: those parents that like, oh, if we don't talk about it,
Speaker 4: my kids won't participate in And I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: sexually active at fifteen, so that clearly did not work.
Speaker 4: But I just, yeah, I just feel like that's not
Speaker 4: like a standard conversation you have with your kids. And
Speaker 4: I want to change that stigma and have that with
Speaker 4: my babies because there's no way I can be like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to have sex when mom got pregnant
Speaker 4: at eighteen. So it's something that I want to definitely
Speaker 4: have with my children. But it's just not common, and
Speaker 4: I feel like that's why there's so many like misconceptions
Speaker 4: around it and why so many women don't experience it.
Speaker 4: It's just because it's not standard to talk about it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I'm getting good because I've talked to
Speaker 1: you so much about your upbringing. Is it just something
Speaker 1: that's not talked about versus something that's taught this is
Speaker 1: what you do. So even here you talk about that
Speaker 1: sex is not a matter of pleasure, like you're raised
Speaker 1: that this is not a matter of something you're supposed
Speaker 1: to enjoy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and then when you aren't enjoying it because
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're doing you think I internalized
Speaker 2: it myself and thought, well, I just don't like sex.
Speaker 2: It's just me and I just don't get it, and
Speaker 2: everybody else gets it and I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: But the truth is if you don't talk about it,
Speaker 2: and you aren't taught how to understand your own body
Speaker 2: that way. And I just think it's amazing you're talking
Speaker 2: about it, because I've been very vocal about it with
Speaker 2: my daughters as well, because yeah, you have to talk
Speaker 2: about it. It's not something to be ashamed.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, it's natural and it's not just to make babies.
Speaker 4: It's too joy So it's a good thing to talk about.
Speaker 2: I found. The funny thing is you don't know, like
Speaker 2: you might think you've had an orgasm, but you don't
Speaker 2: know you haven't had one until you actually have one.
Speaker 2: And everyone said that, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I know. I was like, the first time I had.
Speaker 4: One, I was like, this is what I've been missing
Speaker 4: my whole entire life. I was like, awesome, well now
Speaker 4: and then you can't look back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm like, never again. Will I ever have an experience
Speaker 4: or I don't.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's like it's a life changing experience, and I
Speaker 2: know that sounds funny. Probably the guys true, But I
Speaker 2: think a lot of women who are listening will totally relate.
Speaker 2: And if you don't relate, God bless. Yeah that's amazing.
Speaker 2: But if you do relate, you'll know exactly what we're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have questions, but I don't think it's appropect.
Speaker 1: So are you open to dating? I mean, now that
Speaker 1: you're not in church all this help, not practicing Mormon,
Speaker 1: are you open to dating anybody? What religion? Do they
Speaker 1: have to even be religious?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I am open to anyone. If you're a
Speaker 4: good person, that's all I honestly care about. I don't
Speaker 4: give a crap what religion you're born into. I don't
Speaker 4: care if you're active. I couldn't care less about anything.
Speaker 4: I feel like, just yeah, if you're a good human
Speaker 4: being and we get a log bell and we have
Speaker 4: good connection, I feel like that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: Are you there yet? I know this other breakup is
Speaker 1: very recent. Are you there yet? Have you started even
Speaker 1: on a single date?
Speaker 4: I've been on dates, but it's honestly like it's just
Speaker 4: kind of like to get back out there. But honestly, like,
Speaker 4: I'm so busy right now. If I were to honestly
Speaker 4: try to plan a date anytime soon, it would probably
Speaker 4: be like a month out. So I'm so jam packed
Speaker 4: right now with my schedule with all this going on,
Speaker 4: that I don't have time. And honestly, I feel like
Speaker 4: for so long I've been in relationships back to back,
Speaker 4: like I got on my marriage, then I met this
Speaker 4: guy and things like that. I just feel like I
Speaker 4: really want to take some time to myself to truly
Speaker 4: heal from my marriage, to heal from things that I've
Speaker 4: gone through my childhood and not trauma, and I feel
Speaker 4: like be the best version of myself for somebody else,
Speaker 4: because I feel like you can't truly show up for
Speaker 4: your partner if you're not healed, you're on your own.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you were a way wiser than I
Speaker 2: was at twenty four. Yeah, I mean it's true that,
Speaker 2: like you look at this, people always want to point
Speaker 2: the finger in judge, especially when you put yourself out
Speaker 2: there on television, so people can really get into your
Speaker 2: life and have totally feelings and opinions about what you
Speaker 2: did or didn't do. But you you had two kids
Speaker 2: by the time you were twenty twenty four, twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty three, and you got married at eighteen, nineteen, nineteen,
Speaker 2: at nineteen. So my mom got married at eighteen, had
Speaker 2: me at nineteen, had my brother at twenty one. So look,
Speaker 2: this is this is a story for a lot of women.
Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting that putting yourself out there
Speaker 2: and going through all of this and making mistakes and
Speaker 2: that's how you learn. That's why you're as wise as
Speaker 2: you are right now. So I mean one hundred percent
Speaker 2: because you've learned the hard way. But isn't that kind
Speaker 2: of the only way we do learn?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I feel like you can only learn by going
Speaker 4: through trials. And I'm grateful for everything that I've gone through.
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't meet my ex husband, I want
Speaker 4: to have my amazing children. If I didn't convert to
Speaker 4: the church, I probably want to have moved to you tall,
Speaker 4: Like everything in your life, I feel like happens for
Speaker 4: a reason.
Speaker 3: That's the cheesiest saying.
Speaker 4: But I just feel like I'm meant to be where
Speaker 4: I am because of what I've gone through.
Speaker 1: Is there any I don't want to say it's a
Speaker 1: danger because those shows are wildly successful. You all had
Speaker 1: something unique and where you were and Mormonism, and I
Speaker 1: look at it now and I say, oh, this is
Speaker 1: feels like Bravo. Mm hmm, this feels like Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: This is there. Do you all look at that modeling
Speaker 1: it's been a successful one for a long time, or
Speaker 1: do you see some things I don't even know if
Speaker 1: you all discuss it, but you see some things about it,
Speaker 1: like you would like to stay a little different from
Speaker 1: that type of thing, or that's your lane now.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I think honestly our show differs in ways that I
Speaker 4: feel like the Real Housewives, they're not really like friends
Speaker 4: outside the show, like when the cameras are up, they
Speaker 4: hang out with each other obviously when they're filming, But
Speaker 4: I think our show is different because we're all genuinely
Speaker 4: friends that hang out and even when the cameras go down,
Speaker 4: like we're still hanging out and we're coming to each
Speaker 4: other's houses and having dinners and going out to lunch
Speaker 4: and things. And I feel like that's why our show
Speaker 4: kind of stands out, is that you can tell that
Speaker 4: it's genuine, authentic relationships rather than those other shows, which
Speaker 4: totally fine. You can just tell that they're castmates. And
Speaker 4: I feel like That's why women can relate to the
Speaker 4: show as well, is that we're showing ups and downs
Speaker 4: in relationships, and hopefully those relationships when they do go
Speaker 4: through those they're able to reconcile and move forward. But
Speaker 4: I think it's just relatable to show like friendship drama
Speaker 4: and like that.
Speaker 3: It's not linear friendship.
Speaker 1: Has there been a friendship that ended?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Whitney and Taylor were friends, were they not?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They were friends Whitneyans and me. I guess when they
Speaker 4: got into their fights.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's definitely friendships that have gone through their ringer in
Speaker 4: this group for sure, and as we fil more and more,
Speaker 4: I feel like that's definitely going to continue to happen.
Speaker 4: It's just so hard when you get nine women in
Speaker 4: a room together, there's bound to be a friendship that
Speaker 4: goes away.
Speaker 2: That happens in life. I mean, that happens in real
Speaker 2: life without cameras. That is just a part of life. Yeah, women,
Speaker 2: yeah problem Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My junior year in college I lived there were six
Speaker 2: women in one apartment. Oh lord no, I moved in
Speaker 2: with my brother my senior year, I want to I
Speaker 2: was like, I would like some male energy around me, right, now,
Speaker 2: I love women, but sometimes it can be a lot
Speaker 2: and that is that is tough, and especially when there
Speaker 2: are people who understand that drama cells and that bringing
Speaker 2: it actually gets attention on you and can potentially help
Speaker 2: your career. You mentioned that your childhood, your words, that
Speaker 2: it was messy. I guess is how you put it?
Speaker 2: Has your family weighed in? Do you are you in
Speaker 2: communication with them? How did they feel about you even
Speaker 2: becoming a Mormon in the first place.
Speaker 4: So when I converted to the church, I actually hid
Speaker 4: it from my dad. So my mom's or my mom
Speaker 4: is white and my dad's black, and my mom supported
Speaker 4: me getting baptized. She was actually a member at some
Speaker 4: point in her life and then she met my dad.
Speaker 4: He ancouraged her to leave for some reasons, and then
Speaker 4: she got her records removed. So she's the one that
Speaker 4: signed off on me getting baptized, because when you're under
Speaker 4: your age, you have to have one parent.
Speaker 3: Consent to it.
Speaker 4: And I actually kept it from my dad for two
Speaker 4: years when I was in high school, just because I
Speaker 4: knew he wasn't going to be very supportive of it. Obviously,
Speaker 4: he encouraged my mom to leave. I knew who's going
Speaker 4: to do the same for me. So I would sneak
Speaker 4: out of the house on Sundays. I would like stuff
Speaker 4: of sundake.
Speaker 2: Out to go to church. I was sneaking out to
Speaker 2: do a lot of different things.
Speaker 4: I would shove like a dress into my bathpack, and
Speaker 4: I was like, by Dad, I'm going to my friend's
Speaker 4: house to go like study, go to church for a
Speaker 4: couple hours home.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah wow.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of like my upbringing with thought, which
Speaker 4: is it's interesting. It's definitely kind of funny what came
Speaker 4: back that I was doing that. But and to be fair,
Speaker 4: you don't look like most Mormons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most Mormons. I mean when I think of a Mormon,
Speaker 2: I think of a blonde hair, blue eyed person that
Speaker 2: is the stereotypical She's black. You're black, y. How has
Speaker 2: that been navigating that? I mean, do you see anybody.
Speaker 4: Who looks like you?
Speaker 3: Not a lot.
Speaker 4: Honestly, It's definitely like I walk into the room and
Speaker 4: there's fifty people and I am the only person of color.
Speaker 4: It's definitely something that I'm very used to though because
Speaker 4: where I grew up in the suburbs of like Arizona.
Speaker 4: That's also very common is there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: people of color, so it's something that I've just kind
Speaker 4: of grown immune to. But I feel like in that situation,
Speaker 4: you can either like look at it in a negative
Speaker 4: way and you can be like, oh, like, I'm the
Speaker 4: only person this room. This is really frustrating, or you
Speaker 4: can be like, yeah, I'm the only person of color
Speaker 4: in this room. You can kind of use it to
Speaker 4: your benefit. And I feel like that's how I try
Speaker 4: to look at it, because I feel like there's so
Speaker 4: many situations in life where you can kind of play
Speaker 4: the victim in those ways or you can just use
Speaker 4: it to your benefit. So I feel like in those situations,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, like I stand out.
Speaker 3: Like I stand out. That's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, has the Mormon Church? Have they left you
Speaker 1: all alone? If you all aren't necessarily practicing yeah in
Speaker 1: the church? Are you still getting something from the church
Speaker 1: that has any problem with or is pushing back against
Speaker 1: the show?
Speaker 4: No, they've kind of gone silent now after the first
Speaker 4: season came out. I think initially when like the show
Speaker 4: title was released and the trailers released and they're like,
Speaker 4: why are you in front of our temple?
Speaker 3: And things like that, which was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Oh you're not allowed back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's like don't come on our grounds.
Speaker 4: No, they didn't say that, but I think they I
Speaker 4: think the church really sustainment that they're like something I
Speaker 4: don't know the exact quote, but they're like gross misrepresentations
Speaker 4: on the media are like not true or something like that,
Speaker 4: and I think that they were. They didn't say quote
Speaker 4: unquote like secret lives, but it was right around the
Speaker 4: time that we released the trailer, so I think they
Speaker 4: were referring to us. But I think now they've kind
Speaker 4: of calmed down, and I don't hear a lot. I
Speaker 4: hear sometimes some chatter from some members that they were
Speaker 4: like they don't represent us, but I'm like, we do, actually,
Speaker 4: because we're the ones that are brave enough to say
Speaker 4: what we're doing behind closed doors. And there's a lot
Speaker 4: of members that I know that are participating in the
Speaker 4: things that we're doing, they're just not brave enough to
Speaker 4: like say it. So, yes, we're not following everything quote
Speaker 4: unquote that you should be. And there's girls that swing,
Speaker 4: and there's girls like me that drink, and there's girls
Speaker 4: that have sex before marriage. I think like four out
Speaker 4: of our cast members all got pregnant out of wet blocks.
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's normal to show or and
Speaker 4: it's not normal. It's not normal to show these things.
Speaker 4: But I feel like normalizing that you're human and you
Speaker 4: mess up is good and I feel like that's a
Speaker 4: good representation.
Speaker 1: I hear that, right. It's everybody that does it. You
Speaker 1: all are just willing to show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just brave enough to like take the backlash
Speaker 4: that can come from being open.
Speaker 2: Leila, I want to there's so much fascination with the
Speaker 2: Mormon Church because there is so much there's so much
Speaker 2: that we don't know, things that go on in the
Speaker 2: church that we don't ever get to see, Like I
Speaker 2: can't go to a Mormon wedding, No, I can't go.
Speaker 2: There are some things that you just don't get to
Speaker 2: be a part of. So therefore people are fascinated. What
Speaker 2: do people have right about the Mormon Church? And what
Speaker 2: do people have wrong about the Mormon Church.
Speaker 3: I think people think that it's like a cult, So
Speaker 3: that's wrong.
Speaker 2: But if you leave, can you still have relationships with
Speaker 2: your family? Like is it that strict? Because I think
Speaker 2: people sometimes think it's like scientology. It's confusing. People don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, that doesn't happen at all. You get
Speaker 4: baptized of the church and you have like records in
Speaker 4: the church like that, but if you want it to
Speaker 4: leave at one point in your life, if you could,
Speaker 4: like they'll come and like check on you, but not
Speaker 4: in like a come back to church, like you need
Speaker 4: to come over.
Speaker 2: They're like that still sounds a little culty. They come
Speaker 2: back to.
Speaker 4: Check on you like a knock on your door and
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, like we haven't seen you.
Speaker 3: No, you're good, You're fine.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Was that a little aggressive?
Speaker 3: No? I mean.
Speaker 1: Knock?
Speaker 2: Why have you been in church?
Speaker 3: I what you're saying.
Speaker 4: No, But it's not like a way like that, like
Speaker 4: why haven't you been here? It's more of like, hey,
Speaker 4: we haven't seen you in a while. We just want
Speaker 4: to make sure that you're doing okay. Like around the
Speaker 4: time of my divorce, that's when I stopped coming and
Speaker 4: one of the like sisters in the church came and
Speaker 4: knocked my door and brought us cookies and she goes, hey,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you while.
Speaker 3: Are you okay?
Speaker 4: So it's not like a where have you've been like
Speaker 4: we haven't seen you like coming, like you need to
Speaker 4: make sure you come back. It's more of like hey,
Speaker 4: like as human beings, we're just making sure that like
Speaker 4: you're good, like do you need anything? And I feel
Speaker 4: like that's one of the things that brought me into
Speaker 4: the church initially, is that the community is very strong
Speaker 4: and it makes you feel less isolated and alone because again,
Speaker 4: in that time in my life, that's what I really
Speaker 4: wanted badly is to not feel alone.
Speaker 2: So all right, so that's what we get wrong, and
Speaker 2: it's not culty that it actually is more community. Yeah
Speaker 2: what do we have right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: H Utah? And and I a lot of white people.
Speaker 2: They're all blonde hair of the Yeah, yeah, they tend
Speaker 2: to be well like some like very judgmental. As you mentioned,
Speaker 2: that is true, like anybody else can can anybody? How
Speaker 2: long does it take to become a member? So if
Speaker 2: I say today tomorrow I wake up and I really
Speaker 2: want to be a part of the Mormon Church, what
Speaker 2: would that process be like?
Speaker 4: So you would talk to missionaries and they would come
Speaker 4: to you and they would teach you lessons. I can't
Speaker 4: remember the exact number. I think was like six or
Speaker 4: seven or something like that, and they come to your
Speaker 4: house to teach you again like the fundamental things, like
Speaker 4: the very basics, and then at the end of it,
Speaker 4: you have your agency to choose to get baptized or not,
Speaker 4: and then that's what you do at that point.
Speaker 3: And then I chose to get baptized, and then.
Speaker 4: You have your members or you happier records, especially like
Speaker 4: in the church when you do that.
Speaker 2: I only say this because I know the friend that
Speaker 2: I mentioned in high school, but she was dating somebody
Speaker 2: who wasn't Mormon, and they were friends with my family,
Speaker 2: and they were concerned because then the Mormon folks were
Speaker 2: sending people out to his house trying to convert him
Speaker 2: because they were concerned that she was going to marry him.
Speaker 2: And her parents were like, if you don't marry another Mormon,
Speaker 2: you can't be a part of our family. So they
Speaker 2: were trying to convert him. So that's why I was
Speaker 2: asking about that, because if that goes on, that is
Speaker 2: why people maybe get a little get the CULTI.
Speaker 4: Vibes, yeah, no, and I get that. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of members do want to be with other members.
Speaker 4: I think it's just like maybe a familiar thing and
Speaker 4: being with somebody that's like likewise of faith with you.
Speaker 3: Is probably better.
Speaker 4: I see people in mixed faith relationships though, and I
Speaker 4: feel like that works fine. But I yeah, I think
Speaker 4: it's definitely like it's all they know so they feel
Speaker 4: comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: Last thing here, folks who were fans of season one,
Speaker 1: who loved the show couldn't wait for it to come
Speaker 1: back for season two, tell us what is it you
Speaker 1: are dying for them to see in season two? Like,
Speaker 1: just hold on with fans of the show. You got
Speaker 1: to check out season two because.
Speaker 3: I think you're right out of the gate.
Speaker 4: There's a Halloween party that's at Jesse's house and it's insane.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how much got so much content
Speaker 4: out of one night that was five hours, but holy
Speaker 4: it was a crazy night.
Speaker 3: And I'm really excited to watch that back.
Speaker 2: So it starts off with a bang episode one. Season two,
Speaker 2: we have already gotten that far and we can't wait
Speaker 2: to see more, so much more. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming in, and we always love having folks in person,
Speaker 2: but it was so lovely to get to meet you,
Speaker 2: and we're so impressed with your maturity and your wisdom.
Speaker 2: Much and all that you've gone through and experience and
Speaker 2: sharing it with folks because you're normalizing things. You really are.
Speaker 2: So thank you for what you've done, and we appreciated
Speaker 2: having you here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and the show. Their season
Speaker 1: two starts May fifteenth. We can catch you where on Hulu.
Speaker 1: Not a certain time, it just drops May fifteenth. Binge.
Speaker 2: We can binge the suck guess Oh man, I know
Speaker 2: what we're doing this weekend.
Speaker 3: I don't know plans.
Speaker 1: The stuff the playoffs are on.
Speaker 2: Your sounds like a playing problem. That sounds like a
Speaker 2: you problem.
Speaker 1: Folks, appreciate you listeners always. We'll talk to you against it.
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