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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode, Layla's got a boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roads. It's

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Speaker 1: called Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. But not all the

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Speaker 1: wives are necessarily wives.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, things happen. Life happens. Yes, wives get divorced

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Speaker 2: and then they move on and they get new boyfriends,

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Speaker 2: or they marry, or they enjoy single life. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you get all of the above. It's a mixed bag,

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Speaker 2: just like life is.

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Speaker 1: But Layla that we're talking about is Layla Taylor. Of course,

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Speaker 1: one of the stars of the hit show. It's a

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Speaker 1: hit show, but last year season one, it took a

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Speaker 1: bunch of hits after the season aired, and all that

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Speaker 1: was talked when it first got pitched to us, we

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Speaker 1: had a couple of folks in the studio with us.

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Speaker 1: They said, oh, yeah, the swinging scandal. That's all we

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Speaker 1: heard about was the swinging scandal. Is it over yet?

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Speaker 2: I think the swinging scandal is over, but there are

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Speaker 2: more scandals to be had, because look, I think it's

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Speaker 2: interesting these this group of women were trying to modernize

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Speaker 2: or at least show the world. We all have our

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Speaker 2: our thoughts about what the Mormon Church is what it means,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, y'all got it all wrong. We're

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Speaker 2: just like you in a lot of ways. We make mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we drink, sometimes we curse, sometimes we sometimes we

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Speaker 2: have sex with people who aren't our husband's I mean whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I think that was the intent at least to

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Speaker 2: kind of pull back the curtains. And you know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people. Some people were offended, some people were shocked,

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Speaker 2: and some people couldn't stop watching.

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Speaker 1: So I should say that the young ladies sitting in

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Speaker 1: our studio right now was not caught up in that

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Speaker 1: swinger skin.

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Speaker 3: She was not.

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Speaker 1: I should make sure we say that we we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Leayla Taylor was on the show. She was a part

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Speaker 1: of the I keep messing. I want to say mon

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Speaker 2: Where we're from, right, it sounds like mon mon talk

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Speaker 2: like Montauk, New York. It's just north of or east

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Speaker 1: But it's mom hawk talk like as in TikTok. And

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Speaker 1: that is where they absolutely made their mark. They absolutely

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Speaker 1: blew up. They continue to have a huge, a massive following.

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Speaker 1: But Layla Taylor was a part of that original group

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Speaker 1: and a part of the season one hit, which is

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Speaker 1: now coming back for another season. Miss Layla Taylor in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us. Now Laila's got a boyfriend. Are

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Speaker 1: we gonna meet this guy on the season?

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Speaker 2: You do?

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Speaker 1: We will? How How many how many shows in do

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Speaker 1: we have to go to meet this guy?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like?

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Speaker 2: How many episodes?

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Speaker 4: I think he's introduced on the second episode, so we

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Speaker 4: only got into the first That's why we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I have right, we don't know anything. You're not public

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Speaker 1: yet with.

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Speaker 3: No, Well we're not together.

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Speaker 2: You not together anymore, so you have to watch the

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Speaker 2: arc of your relationship play out in front of everyone.

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Speaker 4: Ya.

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Speaker 2: How do you How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be hard for sure, just because

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Speaker 4: I feel like, looking back at a relationship too, I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of like questioning a lot of things and questioning

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Speaker 4: his general like intentions with being with me. But I

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Speaker 4: think at the same time, like I'm able to share

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Speaker 4: what it's like to date as a single mom and

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Speaker 4: kind of like the dating culture in Utah. It's such

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Speaker 4: if I can kind of shed light on that and

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Speaker 2: I have so many questions. Do so when we're watching

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Speaker 2: the season, because we of course will be tuning in

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Speaker 2: to all the other episodes. We just were able to

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Speaker 2: see the first episode. But do you all end the

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Speaker 2: season together like all of.

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Speaker 3: Us girls know you and your guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, okay, So this is a surprise for

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Speaker 2: folks who will be watching the season. Yes, it turns

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Speaker 2: out after the cameras went away, so did your Relationshipah.

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Speaker 1: How long after the cameras went away?

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Speaker 3: It was like just right after whoa?

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Speaker 1: Because you talked about his intentions and that's something that

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's something that I'm very cautious about,

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Speaker 4: and you know, people will put on the front and

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Speaker 4: say like, oh, I don't care about that. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be a part of it. But

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Speaker 4: it was convenient that every single time the cameras are up,

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Speaker 4: that man loved the.

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Speaker 3: Camera loved it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Now now this honestly, is even more interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch because you can see for yourself or judge for

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Speaker 2: telling us, that's fascinating but also heartbreaking. Have you seen

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna see it all when it drops, So it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be definitely interesting to watch about all of us girls,

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Speaker 4: Like we'll hear things like when we go to like

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, keep telling me more because like

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Speaker 1: I have the episode up now if you want to.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: That's too bad, but that's a part of it was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a complete relationship conversation here, but that

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Speaker 1: is that actually sucks. And for people who are listening now, oh,

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Speaker 1: young women, young men who deal with like how do

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Speaker 1: you know what do you see? You have a you

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Speaker 1: everybody should be aware of that you look back and go,

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Speaker 3: Love bombing yea bombing.

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Speaker 4: The first start of our relationship, he came in extremely

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Speaker 2: It's called manipulation. I know that. You know it's funny because, yes, TJ,

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Speaker 2: it's not at all love. It's the opposite of love.

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Speaker 2: It's it's interesting narcissism.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is he already We broke up less than two

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Speaker 2: Which is all you needed to know.

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Speaker 4: He's just one of those people I don't think can

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Speaker 4: I feel like you don't need someone to validate you

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Speaker 4: for him. But and my friend had sent me a

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Speaker 4: his story, and it's very similar to how he would

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Speaker 2: So how did how did you how did you meet

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've learned my lesson. I met my ex husband too,

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Speaker 2: Oh don't you're in a safe space. We both have

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Speaker 2: I'd say so far it absolutely has been the most successful,

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Speaker 2: on love bombing or just immediate gratification, genuine connection. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about relationships podcast We have different

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Speaker 4: We were actually planning on going to Disneyland with my

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Speaker 4: And came over that night after he got off of

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Speaker 4: like are you okay? And he goes we're done and

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: What, yeah, so you had no idea this was the.

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Speaker 4: Previous day like the same thing, like I love you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm assuming you asked to follow up?

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Speaker 3: Oh I did?

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Speaker 4: I was like, what, Like, did I do something? Did

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Speaker 4: I say something like what's going on? Because at that moment,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, neither is Jesse. A couple of our cast members

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Speaker 4: cool to just show that, like you can have different levels,

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Speaker 4: I think it's very minimal. Honestly, I feel like they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like the opening scene of everyone in

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Speaker 4: My oldest is named Oliver in his three and then

440
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 4: is his name. Maximis so little, so they're they don't

441
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,439
Speaker 4: know what's going on.

442
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 2: They're not this isn't affecting their lives. Nomy just goes

443
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,560
Speaker 2: to a significant way.

444
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah No, And me and my ex decided not to

445
00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,480
Speaker 4: show them on the show honestly, like, I just feel

446
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,879
Speaker 4: like this is my experience and it's totally fine. Of

447
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,359
Speaker 4: one day they come to me and they're like, mom, like,

448
00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 4: I would love to be a part of this. I

449
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,480
Speaker 4: would obviously cautiously kind of like introduce them to this world.

450
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 4: But I think right now, they're just so young they

451
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,720
Speaker 4: can't verbally consent to being a part of this, and

452
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,439
Speaker 4: I would never want to exploit them. And anyway, I

453
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,920
Speaker 4: know some of the girls show their kids, and that's

454
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 4: totally their call. They're their parents, not me, So if

455
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,480
Speaker 4: they feel comfortable doing it, that's totally fine. I just

456
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,280
Speaker 4: feel like this world's so scary and you never know

457
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 4: what people are gonna say about your kids or look

458
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 4: at them a certain way, things like that, so I

459
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,880
Speaker 4: just would rather just protect them from this world.

460
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,320
Speaker 1: Is there a villain this season? Oh for sure, Okay,

461
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,080
Speaker 1: but it was clearly was it Whitney.

462
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,959
Speaker 3: Whitney was Whitney.

463
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so this season Whitney still I know she's back.

464
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 3: No, actually not Whitney.

465
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,399
Speaker 2: She's not, is it Miranda?

466
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:56,480
Speaker 3: No?

467
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,680
Speaker 1: No, Miranda. She kind of got thrown into something ye.

468
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she backed out when because she was the

469
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 2: one I guess. I mean, this is the part I've

470
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 2: already seen where it's acknowledged she was in the swinging

471
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: group and she left when she felt like she was

472
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 2: out in and now she's back, which I actually thought

473
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 2: was a pretty cool hook if you followed the show

474
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 2: the first season. This is actually like a really nice

475
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 2: through line to see it. Actually you get to see

476
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: the person put a face with the name yep.

477
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but then what are you right? Usually most of

478
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: the groups have groups of women. She's the villainy this.

479
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 4: What you're the what I feel like season one, I

480
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 4: was definitely a lot more quiet and reserved. I feel

481
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 4: like I was honestly so scared that I was afraid to.

482
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 3: Like make the wrong move. And I was going through

483
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 3: so much mentally too.

484
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,919
Speaker 4: It was just freshly divorced and kind of navigating that

485
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 4: world as a single mom, So I was definitely really quiet.

486
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,360
Speaker 4: I feel like season two, I've become a lot more vocal.

487
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm like, I feel like I'm a

488
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 4: lot of like comedic relief for having like a funny

489
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 4: or a hard moment. I feel like I'm always doing

490
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 4: something that's like funny to kind of like break up

491
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 4: the tenseness that I feel like I'm pretty neutral. I

492
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 4: will have my opinion for sure, but I feel like,

493
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 4: for the most part, I love to hear both sides

494
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: of it before I like jump to conclusions and jump

495
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 4: down people's throats. But yeah, definitely a little bit more

496
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 4: on my spicy side is coming out the season, which

497
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 4: I'm excited for.

498
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: How different are the folks when the cameras go off,

499
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 1: is what we're seeing? I mean, I know there's some yeah,

500
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: a little element of performative when it comes to these shows,

501
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 1: But are these the same folk? Because we were taken

502
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: by Taylor when she was here, we liked her, Yeah, like,

503
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: oh she got the same in it. She seemed the same.

504
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 1: But how much are we seeing that.

505
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,479
Speaker 4: A lot of the girls are pretty genuine. There's definitely

506
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 4: some girls I won't name names, but they're here, Okay,

507
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: I'll say I feel like Jen, She's will have conversations

508
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: before we start filming that She's like, oh, yeah, I'm

509
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 4: gonna bring it, and I'm like, oh lord, just bring herself.

510
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: Actually, you don't need to do the most.

511
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 4: So there's definitely some girls that definitely the second those

512
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 4: things are up, they kind of over dramatize things, which

513
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,360
Speaker 4: I mean make good TV, right, But I think I

514
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 4: don't try to operate that way. I try to operate

515
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 4: as like, as authentically as I can. And if you

516
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 4: think I'm boring, if you think I'm quiet, that's on you.

517
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 4: But I'd rather do that than do the most.

518
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: Uh, that makes a lot of sense. How did you

519
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: even get in? I know you were part of the

520
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: mom talk. Did you did you ever think I shouldn't

521
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 2: do this, I don't want to do this or were

522
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 2: you all in from the beginning? And how did you

523
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 2: navigate that with your recent ex husband because obviously when

524
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: you share custody with someone you've just gotten divorced. Did

525
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: he weigh in? I'm just curious how you made the

526
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: decision to actually enter into this world and did you

527
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: know what you were getting into?

528
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 4: So actually I was cast onto this show when I

529
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 4: was still married to him. So they went to go

530
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 4: cast more Girls after Taylor had her rest because they

531
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 4: needed to potentially fill her spot, but then she ended

532
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 4: up obviously coming back, and that's when they casted me

533
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 4: Jesse and Jen and he was there with me for

534
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 4: my initial interviews with them with our production company and

535
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 4: yeah this so I was casted technically with him, So

536
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 4: he was okay with it at that moment. Now he's

537
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 4: like always will say like shit to me about it

538
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but I think it's just coming

539
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 4: from jealousy probably, But navigating this world's definitely been interesting.

540
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 4: I feel like it's so hard to share so many

541
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 4: vulnerable aspects of your life and have the public see

542
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: it and comment on it and share their opinions on

543
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 4: things that like are so personal for you. But I

544
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 4: also love it because I've had so many women reach

545
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: out to me for silly things like the orgasm thing,

546
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 4: Like I didn't think that was going to get big.

547
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 4: I honestly thought it was going to be something that

548
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 4: was like passed over and not a big deal.

549
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 3: But I've had so many women reach out to me.

550
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 4: They were like, thank you for sharing this and normalizing this,

551
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 4: Like I have an experienced one and then I can

552
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: help them out and like share tips and things like that.

553
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's really nice to be able

554
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: to connect with people that have similar experiences.

555
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, Yeah, that you were willing to

556
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: do that, because anyone who was raised in a very

557
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 2: religious background probably had the same experience but just doesn't

558
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 2: or don't feel comfortable talking about it. I mean, it's

559
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: by not talking about it. Women. Look, it's not a given.

560
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: If you haven't been shown or you don't know how,

561
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: how are you going to figure it out? You have

562
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So I think that's really cool

563
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: that you did.

564
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm really happy I did for sure, especially

565
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 4: just like you said, there's a lot of religious shame

566
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 4: that comes around sex and general because you're taught to

567
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 4: not have it until you get married, and then magically

568
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 4: when you're marriage was to be.

569
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: Like suddenly you'll just have an orgasm. Because your husband,

570
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: who also wasn't wasn't also raised to be happy, how

571
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: would he know how to do it?

572
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: Exp you.

573
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all these things that no one it's

574
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: too taboo to talk about. We'll have violent video games

575
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: and we'll all go watch, you know, people get their head,

576
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, chopped off in a movie. But we won't

577
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: talk about sex, and we won't talk about orgasms or

578
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: the female orgasm. For sure.

579
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable, are you?

580
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: And before listeners who don't know, will you share a

581
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: little bit of that story with us?

582
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was.

583
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: I think I was twenty three when we were filming

584
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 4: that season, or twenty two. I don't know which one,

585
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: but twenty two, just barely divorced and have had multiple

586
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: sexual partners and never experienced an orgasm. And I felt

587
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: a lot of shame around it anytime that, Like women

588
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: would encourage me, like, hey, we'll try using the vibrator

589
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: by yourself, Like I would feel grossed out by myself

590
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my gosh, I shouldn't be doing this,

591
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: shouldn't be touching myself, Like this is so gross that

592
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: I'm doing this. And even and sex too, I always

593
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: felt like I was there to like pleasure the man,

594
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 4: and if I walked away not feeling any it's fine

595
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 4: because like, well he got.

596
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: Off, that's all.

597
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, that is what a lot of women are.

598
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: Raised to believe.

599
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, for sure, especially in religious groups.

600
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: Gets ask, really, is that a lesson? Are you sat

601
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: down and taught that or that's just kind of naturally

602
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: what occurs in conversation that you're right, well.

603
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean I was raised in a

604
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: church where it was all about procreation. There was no

605
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: talk about pleasure. There's no topic. And obviously we know

606
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: men can get.

607
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: Because I feel like there's is like a visual yes

608
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 4: like that they so you know that they're fine, but

609
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: like ours isn't like visually.

610
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: For a lot, never discussed and it's never something that

611
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: you even think that you should you deserve, but then

612
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: it's a part of it, like it was never discussed,

613
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: like this is.

614
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 4: A part of honestly, Like I didn't really even know

615
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: what it. Like was like I know what, like you

616
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: hear the word orgasm, but I'm like, oh, like what

617
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: is that feeling? And like anytime like I would like

618
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: think I was experiencing it, I was like, oh, like

619
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it was, so like this feels weird.

620
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 4: I'd be like, Okay, get off me, because they didn't

621
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: know what it was. Because they had no knowledge of it.

622
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 4: I never had the birds in these talks with my parents.

623
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: It was just kind of like they are one of

624
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 4: those parents that like, oh, if we don't talk about it,

625
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: my kids won't participate in And I was like, oh,

626
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: sexually active at fifteen, so that clearly did not work.

627
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: But I just, yeah, I just feel like that's not

628
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: like a standard conversation you have with your kids. And

629
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: I want to change that stigma and have that with

630
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: my babies because there's no way I can be like, oh,

631
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to have sex when mom got pregnant

632
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 4: at eighteen. So it's something that I want to definitely

633
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: have with my children. But it's just not common, and

634
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: I feel like that's why there's so many like misconceptions

635
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 4: around it and why so many women don't experience it.

636
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 4: It's just because it's not standard to talk about it.

637
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I'm getting good because I've talked to

638
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: you so much about your upbringing. Is it just something

639
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: that's not talked about versus something that's taught this is

640
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: what you do. So even here you talk about that

641
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: sex is not a matter of pleasure, like you're raised

642
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: that this is not a matter of something you're supposed

643
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: to enjoy.

644
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and then when you aren't enjoying it because

645
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're doing you think I internalized

646
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: it myself and thought, well, I just don't like sex.

647
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: It's just me and I just don't get it, and

648
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: everybody else gets it and I just don't get it.

649
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: But the truth is if you don't talk about it,

650
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: and you aren't taught how to understand your own body

651
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: that way. And I just think it's amazing you're talking

652
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: about it, because I've been very vocal about it with

653
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: my daughters as well, because yeah, you have to talk

654
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: about it. It's not something to be ashamed.

655
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, it's natural and it's not just to make babies.

656
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: It's too joy So it's a good thing to talk about.

657
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: I found. The funny thing is you don't know, like

658
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: you might think you've had an orgasm, but you don't

659
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: know you haven't had one until you actually have one.

660
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: And everyone said that, oh my god.

661
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: I know. I was like, the first time I had.

662
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: One, I was like, this is what I've been missing

663
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: my whole entire life. I was like, awesome, well now

664
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 4: and then you can't look back.

665
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: Now.

666
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, never again. Will I ever have an experience

667
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: or I don't.

668
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: Actually, it's like it's a life changing experience, and I

669
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: know that sounds funny. Probably the guys true, But I

670
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: think a lot of women who are listening will totally relate.

671
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: And if you don't relate, God bless. Yeah that's amazing.

672
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: But if you do relate, you'll know exactly what we're

673
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: talking about.

674
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I have questions, but I don't think it's appropect.

675
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: So are you open to dating? I mean, now that

676
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: you're not in church all this help, not practicing Mormon,

677
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: are you open to dating anybody? What religion? Do they

678
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: have to even be religious?

679
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: No?

680
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I am open to anyone. If you're a

681
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: good person, that's all I honestly care about. I don't

682
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: give a crap what religion you're born into. I don't

683
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 4: care if you're active. I couldn't care less about anything.

684
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: I feel like, just yeah, if you're a good human

685
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: being and we get a log bell and we have

686
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: good connection, I feel like that's all that matters.

687
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: Are you there yet? I know this other breakup is

688
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: very recent. Are you there yet? Have you started even

689
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: on a single date?

690
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: I've been on dates, but it's honestly like it's just

691
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: kind of like to get back out there. But honestly, like,

692
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: I'm so busy right now. If I were to honestly

693
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: try to plan a date anytime soon, it would probably

694
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: be like a month out. So I'm so jam packed

695
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: right now with my schedule with all this going on,

696
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: that I don't have time. And honestly, I feel like

697
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: for so long I've been in relationships back to back,

698
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: like I got on my marriage, then I met this

699
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: guy and things like that. I just feel like I

700
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: really want to take some time to myself to truly

701
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: heal from my marriage, to heal from things that I've

702
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: gone through my childhood and not trauma, and I feel

703
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: like be the best version of myself for somebody else,

704
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 4: because I feel like you can't truly show up for

705
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: your partner if you're not healed, you're on your own.

706
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: So I mean, you were a way wiser than I

707
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: was at twenty four. Yeah, I mean it's true that,

708
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: like you look at this, people always want to point

709
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: the finger in judge, especially when you put yourself out

710
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: there on television, so people can really get into your

711
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: life and have totally feelings and opinions about what you

712
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: did or didn't do. But you you had two kids

713
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: by the time you were twenty twenty four, twenty three,

714
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: twenty three, and you got married at eighteen, nineteen, nineteen,

715
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: at nineteen. So my mom got married at eighteen, had

716
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: me at nineteen, had my brother at twenty one. So look,

717
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: this is this is a story for a lot of women.

718
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting that putting yourself out there

719
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: and going through all of this and making mistakes and

720
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: that's how you learn. That's why you're as wise as

721
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: you are right now. So I mean one hundred percent

722
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: because you've learned the hard way. But isn't that kind

723
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: of the only way we do learn?

724
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I feel like you can only learn by going

725
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: through trials. And I'm grateful for everything that I've gone through.

726
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't meet my ex husband, I want

727
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: to have my amazing children. If I didn't convert to

728
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: the church, I probably want to have moved to you tall,

729
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: Like everything in your life, I feel like happens for

730
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: a reason.

731
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: That's the cheesiest saying.

732
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: But I just feel like I'm meant to be where

733
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: I am because of what I've gone through.

734
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Is there any I don't want to say it's a

735
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: danger because those shows are wildly successful. You all had

736
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: something unique and where you were and Mormonism, and I

737
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: look at it now and I say, oh, this is

738
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: feels like Bravo. Mm hmm, this feels like Real Housewives.

739
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: This is there. Do you all look at that modeling

740
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: it's been a successful one for a long time, or

741
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: do you see some things I don't even know if

742
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: you all discuss it, but you see some things about it,

743
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: like you would like to stay a little different from

744
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: that type of thing, or that's your lane now.

745
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: No.

746
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: I think honestly our show differs in ways that I

747
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: feel like the Real Housewives, they're not really like friends

748
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: outside the show, like when the cameras are up, they

749
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: hang out with each other obviously when they're filming, But

750
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: I think our show is different because we're all genuinely

751
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: friends that hang out and even when the cameras go down,

752
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: like we're still hanging out and we're coming to each

753
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: other's houses and having dinners and going out to lunch

754
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: and things. And I feel like that's why our show

755
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: kind of stands out, is that you can tell that

756
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: it's genuine, authentic relationships rather than those other shows, which

757
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: totally fine. You can just tell that they're castmates. And

758
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: I feel like That's why women can relate to the

759
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: show as well, is that we're showing ups and downs

760
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: in relationships, and hopefully those relationships when they do go

761
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: through those they're able to reconcile and move forward. But

762
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: I think it's just relatable to show like friendship drama

763
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: and like that.

764
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: It's not linear friendship.

765
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Has there been a friendship that ended?

766
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

767
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: And Whitney and Taylor were friends, were they not?

768
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

769
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: They were friends Whitneyans and me. I guess when they

770
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: got into their fights.

771
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: There's definitely friendships that have gone through their ringer in

773
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: this group for sure, and as we fil more and more,

774
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: I feel like that's definitely going to continue to happen.

775
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: It's just so hard when you get nine women in

776
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: a room together, there's bound to be a friendship that

777
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: goes away.

778
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: That happens in life. I mean, that happens in real

779
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: life without cameras. That is just a part of life. Yeah, women,

780
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: yeah problem Yeah.

781
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

782
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: My junior year in college I lived there were six

783
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: women in one apartment. Oh lord no, I moved in

784
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: with my brother my senior year, I want to I

785
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: was like, I would like some male energy around me, right, now,

786
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: I love women, but sometimes it can be a lot

787
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 2: and that is that is tough, and especially when there

788
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: are people who understand that drama cells and that bringing

789
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: it actually gets attention on you and can potentially help

790
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: your career. You mentioned that your childhood, your words, that

791
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: it was messy. I guess is how you put it?

792
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Has your family weighed in? Do you are you in

793
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: communication with them? How did they feel about you even

794
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: becoming a Mormon in the first place.

795
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: So when I converted to the church, I actually hid

796
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: it from my dad. So my mom's or my mom

797
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: is white and my dad's black, and my mom supported

798
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: me getting baptized. She was actually a member at some

799
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: point in her life and then she met my dad.

800
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: He ancouraged her to leave for some reasons, and then

801
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: she got her records removed. So she's the one that

802
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: signed off on me getting baptized, because when you're under

803
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: your age, you have to have one parent.

804
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: Consent to it.

805
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: And I actually kept it from my dad for two

806
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: years when I was in high school, just because I

807
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 4: knew he wasn't going to be very supportive of it. Obviously,

808
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: he encouraged my mom to leave. I knew who's going

809
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: to do the same for me. So I would sneak

810
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: out of the house on Sundays. I would like stuff

811
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: of sundake.

812
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: Out to go to church. I was sneaking out to

813
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: do a lot of different things.

814
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: I would shove like a dress into my bathpack, and

815
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: I was like, by Dad, I'm going to my friend's

816
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: house to go like study, go to church for a

817
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: couple hours home.

818
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah wow.

819
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: So that's kind of like my upbringing with thought, which

820
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: is it's interesting. It's definitely kind of funny what came

821
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 4: back that I was doing that. But and to be fair,

822
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: you don't look like most Mormons.

823
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, most Mormons. I mean when I think of a Mormon,

824
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: I think of a blonde hair, blue eyed person that

825
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: is the stereotypical She's black. You're black, y. How has

826
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: that been navigating that? I mean, do you see anybody.

827
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: Who looks like you?

828
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Not a lot.

829
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: Honestly, It's definitely like I walk into the room and

830
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: there's fifty people and I am the only person of color.

831
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: It's definitely something that I'm very used to though because

832
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: where I grew up in the suburbs of like Arizona.

833
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: That's also very common is there's not a lot of

834
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: people of color, so it's something that I've just kind

835
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: of grown immune to. But I feel like in that situation,

836
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: you can either like look at it in a negative

837
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: way and you can be like, oh, like, I'm the

838
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: only person this room. This is really frustrating, or you

839
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 4: can be like, yeah, I'm the only person of color

840
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: in this room. You can kind of use it to

841
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: your benefit. And I feel like that's how I try

842
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: to look at it, because I feel like there's so

843
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: many situations in life where you can kind of play

844
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: the victim in those ways or you can just use

845
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: it to your benefit. So I feel like in those situations,

846
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, like I stand out.

847
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: Like I stand out. That's kind of fun.

848
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: So, yeah, has the Mormon Church? Have they left you

849
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: all alone? If you all aren't necessarily practicing yeah in

850
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: the church? Are you still getting something from the church

851
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: that has any problem with or is pushing back against

852
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: the show?

853
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: No, they've kind of gone silent now after the first

854
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: season came out. I think initially when like the show

855
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: title was released and the trailers released and they're like,

856
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: why are you in front of our temple?

857
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: And things like that, which was kind of funny.

858
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh you're not allowed back.

859
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's like don't come on our grounds.

860
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: No, they didn't say that, but I think they I

861
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: think the church really sustainment that they're like something I

862
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: don't know the exact quote, but they're like gross misrepresentations

863
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: on the media are like not true or something like that,

864
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: and I think that they were. They didn't say quote

865
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: unquote like secret lives, but it was right around the

866
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: time that we released the trailer, so I think they

867
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: were referring to us. But I think now they've kind

868
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: of calmed down, and I don't hear a lot. I

869
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: hear sometimes some chatter from some members that they were

870
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: like they don't represent us, but I'm like, we do, actually,

871
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: because we're the ones that are brave enough to say

872
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: what we're doing behind closed doors. And there's a lot

873
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: of members that I know that are participating in the

874
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: things that we're doing, they're just not brave enough to

875
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: like say it. So, yes, we're not following everything quote

876
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: unquote that you should be. And there's girls that swing,

877
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: and there's girls like me that drink, and there's girls

878
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: that have sex before marriage. I think like four out

879
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: of our cast members all got pregnant out of wet blocks.

880
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's normal to show or and

881
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: it's not normal. It's not normal to show these things.

882
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: But I feel like normalizing that you're human and you

883
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: mess up is good and I feel like that's a

884
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: good representation.

885
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: I hear that, right. It's everybody that does it. You

886
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: all are just willing to show.

887
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just brave enough to like take the backlash

888
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: that can come from being open.

889
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: Leila, I want to there's so much fascination with the

890
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Mormon Church because there is so much there's so much

891
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: that we don't know, things that go on in the

892
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: church that we don't ever get to see, Like I

893
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: can't go to a Mormon wedding, No, I can't go.

894
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: There are some things that you just don't get to

895
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: be a part of. So therefore people are fascinated. What

896
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: do people have right about the Mormon Church? And what

897
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: do people have wrong about the Mormon Church.

898
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: I think people think that it's like a cult, So

899
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: that's wrong.

900
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: But if you leave, can you still have relationships with

901
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: your family? Like is it that strict? Because I think

902
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: people sometimes think it's like scientology. It's confusing. People don't know.

903
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, that doesn't happen at all. You get

904
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 4: baptized of the church and you have like records in

905
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: the church like that, but if you want it to

906
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: leave at one point in your life, if you could,

907
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: like they'll come and like check on you, but not

908
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: in like a come back to church, like you need

909
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: to come over.

910
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: They're like that still sounds a little culty. They come

911
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: back to.

912
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: Check on you like a knock on your door and

913
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, like we haven't seen you.

914
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: No, you're good, You're fine.

915
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Was that a little aggressive?

916
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: No? I mean.

917
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: Knock?

918
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: Why have you been in church?

919
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: I what you're saying.

920
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 4: No, But it's not like a way like that, like

921
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: why haven't you been here? It's more of like, hey,

922
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: we haven't seen you in a while. We just want

923
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: to make sure that you're doing okay. Like around the

924
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: time of my divorce, that's when I stopped coming and

925
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: one of the like sisters in the church came and

926
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 4: knocked my door and brought us cookies and she goes, hey,

927
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you while.

928
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: Are you okay?

929
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 4: So it's not like a where have you've been like

930
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: we haven't seen you like coming, like you need to

931
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: make sure you come back. It's more of like hey,

932
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: like as human beings, we're just making sure that like

933
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 4: you're good, like do you need anything? And I feel

934
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: like that's one of the things that brought me into

935
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: the church initially, is that the community is very strong

936
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: and it makes you feel less isolated and alone because again,

937
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: in that time in my life, that's what I really

938
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 4: wanted badly is to not feel alone.

939
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: So all right, so that's what we get wrong, and

940
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: it's not culty that it actually is more community. Yeah

941
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: what do we have right?

942
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: Right?

943
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: H Utah? And and I a lot of white people.

944
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: They're all blonde hair of the Yeah, yeah, they tend

945
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: to be well like some like very judgmental. As you mentioned,

946
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: that is true, like anybody else can can anybody? How

947
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: long does it take to become a member? So if

948
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: I say today tomorrow I wake up and I really

949
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: want to be a part of the Mormon Church, what

950
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: would that process be like?

951
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: So you would talk to missionaries and they would come

952
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: to you and they would teach you lessons. I can't

953
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: remember the exact number. I think was like six or

954
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: seven or something like that, and they come to your

955
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: house to teach you again like the fundamental things, like

956
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: the very basics, and then at the end of it,

957
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: you have your agency to choose to get baptized or not,

958
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: and then that's what you do at that point.

959
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: And then I chose to get baptized, and then.

960
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: You have your members or you happier records, especially like

961
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: in the church when you do that.

962
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I only say this because I know the friend that

963
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: I mentioned in high school, but she was dating somebody

964
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: who wasn't Mormon, and they were friends with my family,

965
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: and they were concerned because then the Mormon folks were

966
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: sending people out to his house trying to convert him

967
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: because they were concerned that she was going to marry him.

968
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: And her parents were like, if you don't marry another Mormon,

969
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: you can't be a part of our family. So they

970
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: were trying to convert him. So that's why I was

971
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: asking about that, because if that goes on, that is

972
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: why people maybe get a little get the CULTI.

973
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: Vibes, yeah, no, and I get that. I think a

974
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: lot of members do want to be with other members.

975
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 4: I think it's just like maybe a familiar thing and

976
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: being with somebody that's like likewise of faith with you.

977
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: Is probably better.

978
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: I see people in mixed faith relationships though, and I

979
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 4: feel like that works fine. But I yeah, I think

980
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 4: it's definitely like it's all they know so they feel

981
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: comfortable with it.

982
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Last thing here, folks who were fans of season one,

983
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: who loved the show couldn't wait for it to come

984
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: back for season two, tell us what is it you

985
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: are dying for them to see in season two? Like,

986
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: just hold on with fans of the show. You got

987
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: to check out season two because.

988
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: I think you're right out of the gate.

989
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: There's a Halloween party that's at Jesse's house and it's insane.

990
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: I don't even know how much got so much content

991
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: out of one night that was five hours, but holy

992
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: it was a crazy night.

993
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: And I'm really excited to watch that back.

994
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: So it starts off with a bang episode one. Season two,

995
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: we have already gotten that far and we can't wait

996
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: to see more, so much more. Thank you so much

997
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: for coming in, and we always love having folks in person,

998
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: but it was so lovely to get to meet you,

999
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: and we're so impressed with your maturity and your wisdom.

1000
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Much and all that you've gone through and experience and

1001
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: sharing it with folks because you're normalizing things. You really are.

1002
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: So thank you for what you've done, and we appreciated

1003
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: having you here.

1004
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and the show. Their season

1005
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: two starts May fifteenth. We can catch you where on Hulu.

1006
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Not a certain time, it just drops May fifteenth. Binge.

1007
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: We can binge the suck guess Oh man, I know

1008
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: what we're doing this weekend.

1009
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: I don't know plans.

1010
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: The stuff the playoffs are on.

1011
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: Your sounds like a playing problem. That sounds like a

1012
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Speaker 2: you problem.

1013
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Speaker 1: Folks, appreciate you listeners always. We'll talk to you against it.

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Speaker 1: H m kay