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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a three hour Monday edition of

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Speaker 2: One Bills Live.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Jasper with you.

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Speaker 2: And unlike most Mondays, not a game to recap right now.

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Speaker 2: We did that on Friday after the Thursday night loss

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Speaker 2: on the road at Houston. No need to be labor

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Speaker 2: that one. But what we can say was it's the

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Speaker 2: conference race is tightening considerably. I mean, there's been some

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Speaker 2: movement in the conference and we'll get to that in

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Speaker 2: just a little bit here. You know, based on some

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Speaker 2: of the teams that won and lost this past weekend,

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Speaker 2: we should tell you this week's game at the Steelers

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Speaker 2: is presented by Lee com your Lake Erie College of

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Speaker 2: Osteopathic Medicine. Yeah that that game is a gigantic game

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Speaker 2: for Bolts the Bills.

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Speaker 4: And the line of demarcation right now is seven and four.

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Speaker 4: If you're seven and four, you're in. If you're not,

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Speaker 4: you're out. And then there's one exception that's Baltimore who's

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Speaker 4: six and five and leading the North. Now they come

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Speaker 4: all the way back and gotten the Steelers on the

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Speaker 4: tie breaker, So all our teams have the same record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So While we're talking about this, why don't we

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Speaker 2: just pivot to that. Let's check in on the standings

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Speaker 2: and find out who is raising the roof presented by

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Speaker 2: Stellar Roofing. When quality counts, choose Stellar. So the pay

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Speaker 2: Patriots win. They're ninth in a row. They are now

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Speaker 2: ten and two. Denver on the by sits at nine

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Speaker 2: and two. Indy loses in overtime at Kansas City, they

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Speaker 2: fall to eight and three. Baltimore wins, although it wasn't pretty,

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Speaker 2: six and five. They are now the AFC North leader

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Speaker 2: via tiebreaker over Pittsburgh, who lost to Chicago thirty one

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Speaker 2: to twenty eight. I believe was the final there. So

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh goes from four seed to out of the playoff

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Speaker 2: picture because of their loss. Bills drop more ground. They

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Speaker 2: go from the five to the sixth seed seven or

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Speaker 2: six to the seventh seed. Sorry by virtue of Jacksonville's win,

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Speaker 2: so they slide back via tiebreaker because the Bills conference

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Speaker 2: record is four and three, Jacksonville's Bills record is better.

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Speaker 4: Before Week twelve, the Bills were the five seed and

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Speaker 4: as soon as Thursday Night happened, they're the first one

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Speaker 4: they dropped and uh, dropped again. They went from five

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Speaker 4: to seven over the weekend. Still in it. But as

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Speaker 4: you can tell, I mean you most Bills fans know

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Speaker 4: this talking to other Bills fans. Man, oh man, what

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Speaker 4: a dark weekend this has been. But here we go.

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Speaker 4: Got We've got a game against Pittsburgh on the road.

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Speaker 4: Unless there's a lot of storylines on this one, oh

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll we'll examine that through the lens of

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Speaker 2: head coach Sean McDermott's injury update that was provided on

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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon when he addressed the media on the heels

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Speaker 2: of the loss at Houston. He said tight end Dalton Kincaid,

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Speaker 2: defensive tackle Fedarian Mathis, and wide receiver Curtis Samuel all improving.

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Speaker 2: All three, as we know, missed last Thursday's game in Houston.

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Speaker 2: Linebacker to Rel Bernard, who left the game with an

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Speaker 2: elbow injury, is week to week, as is offensive tackle

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Speaker 2: Spencer Brown. They were still going through some exams of

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Speaker 2: his shoulder, and cornerback Maxwell Hairston is in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: He left the game did not return with a head injury.

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Speaker 2: McDermott said that ir is a possibility for both Bernard

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Speaker 2: on Sunday and face TJ.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it's anticipated that in the absence of Bernard that

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Speaker 3: Well on more time for the coaches to plan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you need to. Yeah, we'll see. This defense

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Speaker 4: a bummer. Now they you know they've got it in them.

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Speaker 2: I would say, if you're looking at the collective for

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Speaker 2: Bye week route Carolina, when you still had Hoyt and

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Speaker 2: by four on the road. Bills are now two and

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that's much more so. But he's

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Speaker 4: Maybe much more so than any iteration of this team

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Speaker 4: under the McDermott era. There there's a huge variance.

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Speaker 2: So they go on the road this week to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: and we may as well transition that into Around the

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Speaker 2: NFL presented by Kalaida Healthy, official healthcare system of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. And after Pittsburgh's thirty one twenty eight loss

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Speaker 2: to Chicago, Steelers, head coach Mike Tomlin said he expects

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to be ready to play against the Bills

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, he of the fractured left wrist, his non

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Speaker 2: I anticipate him being ready for next week. Tomlin said

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Speaker 2: it was a prudent decision to make. Certainly, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Rogers tried to practice last week, had his left wrist

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Speaker 2: So Rudolph started in his plays through for like one

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Speaker 2: make of it what you will. The Patriots meanwhile beat

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Speaker 2: but they may have lost their starting left tackle. Rookie

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Speaker 2: Brendan Schooler left with an ankle injury and was in

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Speaker 2: We'll see how much that impacts them over the next

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Speaker 3: See what happens.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been a minute since we've had this many

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Speaker 4: Everybody else only has four wins. There's a big line

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if Kansas City wins this week and the

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Speaker 4: That's the way it is. That's how tight. That's how

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Speaker 3: Four seed with a victory a Chargers loss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I said. And the Chargers loss, they.

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Speaker 4: Need some help. But yeah, it's there. It's there, ten teams,

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Speaker 2: I when you look at this, sorry, the five ye

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Speaker 3: Who are They can go from ten to five and.

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Speaker 2: Mayfield suffered a left shoulder sprain and Sunday Night's loss

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Speaker 2: of the injury, according to the head coach Todd Bowles. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: on Sunday Night, the Los Angeles Rams have the best

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Speaker 2: record in the NFC at nine and two, first time

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Speaker 2: the Rams have held it outrightly in the NFC since

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Speaker 2: Week thirteen of the twenty eighteen season. Rams are also

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Speaker 2: now the Super Bowl favorites in Vegas. Three of the

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Speaker 2: projects the Rams to be the favorites in each of

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, more change

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: And I get it.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no way the Steelers are going to trade

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Speaker 4: Maybe whatever the point is this, so they trade that

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Speaker 2: We did here last week about how he and CD

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Speaker 4: He didn't deny it either, he said, listen, I did.

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Speaker 4: That was. Yeah, that's the Cowboys playoffs right there. They're

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Speaker 2: Two games back in the lost column from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was a good win. You can't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are in second place in the NFC East.

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Speaker 4: Right they are. They are at the ten slot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the tie with Green Bay early season.

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Speaker 2: So that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. Topic of

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Speaker 2: at eight three, five fifty one eighty eight, five point

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Speaker 2: you what it told me told me. It's far from

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Speaker 4: Then it goes after that. It doesn't go to common games.

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Speaker 3: I believe it does.

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Speaker 4: Yes, common games.

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Speaker 2: But you have to have at least four games in

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Speaker 3: And that's you. It usually meets that minimum required.

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Speaker 4: Well that means if it's that's easy for two division

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're in division, it's different. It goes division record, well,

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Speaker 3: It goes to the other ones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see that it's tight. Man, It'll well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you.

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Speaker 2: Let us know at eight oh three, five point fifty.

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Speaker 3: But seven and four they still control their own destiny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot about that language.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they do.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the division, for all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 3: To win the division.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they get only.

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Speaker 2: Improves to like twenty two percent. If they beat New

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Speaker 4: New England's got I mean, they've got some games left.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones at eight oh three oh

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Speaker 7: What's up, Kim, Yeah, good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: How are we doing?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 7: How are you guys doing great? Okay?

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Speaker 7: My concern is I don't think the Bills have a

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Speaker 7: the mistakes. They hear the lousy run defense last year.

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Speaker 7: They had the same problems this year. And I'm sick

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Speaker 7: It's the same excuse every year. Our defensive coordinator is

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Speaker 3: Right, Kim, All right, Kim.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, You're entitled to your opinion, and look, you can't

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Speaker 3: Well, you haven't had enough of those pieces long enough.

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Speaker 10: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: We don't even know if it would have worked. That's

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Speaker 4: two quarters of not even two quarters of play together

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Speaker 4: this year. Dean Walker seems like a pretty good player.

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Speaker 6: T J.

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Speaker 4: Sanders, who knows? Who knows? He's back for one week?

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Speaker 3: Two weeks?

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 3: It's played two games?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Certainly LANDA. Jackson's on I R he played

448
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Speaker 2: pretty much two games. We don't even know what Then

449
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Speaker 2: you've got you know, day Kwon? Do they bring day

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Speaker 2: Kon back? I kind of I don't know, maybe Jordan Phillips,

451
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Speaker 2: he's doing it because he this is it's this. He's

452
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Speaker 2: gonna play here no place else. And that'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: You know all this Dwayne Carter, who knows haven't seen

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Speaker 2: R I R at one point this season.

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Speaker 4: They you know, if you're gonna if they're gonna rotate

456
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Speaker 4: in four and four, you know, two ends and two

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Speaker 4: tackles and rotate the those eight guys on game day

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Speaker 4: like we thought. I went and look back. Six of

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Speaker 4: the ones we thought at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 4: that we're going to rotate in gone, not in the lineup.

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Speaker 4: Six of the eight. I don't know if we're gonna.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if what they did would have worked.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no way to know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when you're frustrating part about it, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when you're tight on the cap like the Bills were,

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Speaker 2: it compromises your ability to build depth.

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Speaker 3: In your roster.

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Speaker 2: And you know you're you're bringing guys up from the

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Speaker 2: practice squad because you're so within that's what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and that's the that's the part. That's the.

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Speaker 2: And you know, injuries are not an excuse. Every team

472
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Speaker 2: deals with injuries. But you know the depth here.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing any you've seen other compromise you

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Speaker 4: get you the injury bug goes whips through one room

475
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Speaker 4: in your in your building. You know the D in

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Speaker 4: this case is the D line. Boom. Here's six of

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Speaker 4: your top eight guys gone. Thanks for stopping by. And

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Speaker 4: you know that's something you can't figure. Maybe you lose

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Speaker 4: one at a position group and then another here and

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Speaker 4: another there at another position group. But man, oh man,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. You're right. Brownie's right. We watched and

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Speaker 4: talked about it a lot in back in April, May, June, March, April,

483
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Speaker 4: May and June about how many assets, draft picks, free

484
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Speaker 4: agent signings they did on that just what Kim called

485
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Speaker 4: in and said, run defense and pass rush and they

486
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Speaker 4: got nothing to show for it. They got nothing to

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Speaker 4: show for it.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but wide open for your

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Speaker 2: phone calls in the next segment. So if you're holding

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Speaker 2: an eighth three oh five fifty, stay where you are.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to you when we return. We lead off

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Speaker 2: with Tough on a Sale. Next Here on one Pills

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Speaker 2: Live presented by Collide Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right back here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you on a Monday as

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Speaker 2: we flip to week thirteen and begin the process of

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Speaker 2: getting ready for Bills Steelers, which has suddenly taken on

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Speaker 2: significant implications for both the Bills and the.

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Speaker 3: Steelers playoff hopes.

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Speaker 2: Steelers lost the top spot in their division and they

501
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Speaker 2: are now looking up at the Baltimore Ravens, who have

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Speaker 2: come all the way back from a one to five

503
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Speaker 2: mark to take the division lead in the AFC North,

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Speaker 2: and the Bills still looking up at the Patriots, who

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Speaker 2: put more distance between them and Buffalo by virtue of

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Speaker 2: their win yesterday over the Cincinnati Bengals, which leads to

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Speaker 2: our question today for you, what did week twelve tell

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Speaker 2: us about the playoff picture in the AFC? Back to

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Speaker 2: the phones we go and too tough on a sale?

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Speaker 2: What's up Tough?

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Speaker 10: Hey, what's up guns?

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Speaker 4: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 11: Go?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, two things real quick. I agree with Kim what

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Speaker 10: he just said, and like, yeah, the defensive system just

517
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Speaker 10: is not good and the players ain't really too good

518
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Speaker 10: this year. I mess with them, but the system is

519
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 10: not too good. The system has to go. It's up

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Speaker 10: to me. I go beg Schwartz to come back and

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Speaker 10: bring back them why nine. So that's another story. You know,

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Speaker 10: Brandon Bean kind of dropped the ball this year, but

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Speaker 10: you deserve another chance. But as far as the games, yeah,

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Speaker 10: it's crucial right now. You know what I'm saying. It's

525
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Speaker 10: like playoff time right now. The boys got to get

526
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Speaker 10: busy because if they don't, Man, you lose this game,

527
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Speaker 10: get knocked off the playoffs and Joe Burrow come back

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Speaker 10: and even though they ain't the playoffs, you know, it's

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Speaker 10: hired to play against them. Got Philly, you know, New England.

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Speaker 10: It was crazy. So we got to start winning some

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Speaker 10: games or so might not even make the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair assessment. Tough it's go time.

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Speaker 2: To your point, I don't think there's any debate about that.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of twenty twenty three, where

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Speaker 2: after twelve games, the Bills were six and six and

537
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Speaker 2: pretty much had to sprint to the finish. You know,

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Speaker 2: they were two games back in the division race.

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Speaker 4: Three was it three?

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Speaker 8: Yep?

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Speaker 2: It was three with five games to play, They did

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Speaker 2: get the help they needed and won five straight, some

543
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Speaker 2: by the skin of their teeth, and they're probably looking

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Speaker 2: at a similar path right now to ensure a playoff

545
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Speaker 2: berth in what is a much tighter conference race overall,

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Speaker 2: pretty much from one through ten in the conference. So

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Speaker 2: the landscape is different, and I would argue even tighter

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Speaker 2: than it was two years ago when the Bills were

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Speaker 2: six and six and actually had a worse record than

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Speaker 2: they do right now. Let's go to Ken in Buffalo next.

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Speaker 2: What's up Ken?

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Speaker 12: Good morning, gentlemen, Good morning.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 12: It's good to be with you all again on a

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Speaker 12: Monday morning. But ask for the question. It's a good

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Speaker 12: one in terms of what we twelve told us, and

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Speaker 12: I think is fairly clear that we have a serious

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Speaker 12: challenge in our hands. We meet in the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 12: because the field is the field is not only stronger,

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Speaker 12: but they are teams who haven't been having a good

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Speaker 12: year but are now hitting their stride. I mean, what

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Speaker 12: we saw last week against the Texans is an indicator

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Speaker 12: of what's taking shape throughout the AFC. Teams are a

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Speaker 12: lot more impassionate about playing. They're they're a lot more

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Speaker 12: intentional about winning, and we appear to be struggling with

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Speaker 12: an inability to match the intensity of the teams that

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Speaker 12: we're facing at this junction, and the Texans were a

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Speaker 12: clear example. I mean, to see our office the line

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Speaker 12: getting pushed around like that was very, very disconcerting. And

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Speaker 12: to look at the inconsistency of our play call. I

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Speaker 12: found this stunning that Tyrrell Shavers can emerge like he did.

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Speaker 12: I guess a very good type of a buck in

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Speaker 12: his defense, and yet did not get one target. Despite

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Speaker 12: the fact that this is offense, this is an offensive

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Speaker 12: courting who likes to call the same plays. The fact

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Speaker 12: that we made a discovery with our running backs and

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Speaker 12: use them in the short passing game, they'll get some

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Speaker 12: big plays downfield. Yet none of those approaches were utilized

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Speaker 12: against the Texans. So this sort of inconsistency is not

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Speaker 12: going to help us. The other part is we haven't

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Speaker 12: played very well on the road, and I'll add this

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Speaker 12: in terms of what we're learning. The fact that the

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Speaker 12: bills of seven and four is very loosely it's like

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Speaker 12: an illusion. The truth is we're three and four in

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Speaker 12: our last seven games, so we're not even playing as

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Speaker 12: a winning football team. We're not a winning football team

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Speaker 12: over the last seven games. That to me is a

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Speaker 12: more reliable indicator than the seven and four mark, so

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Speaker 12: I haven't said as much. That's what I see. I

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Speaker 12: see us having a very serious challenge, and we'll be

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Speaker 12: very much task of going on the road.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 12: We haven't had a lot of success on the road,

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Speaker 12: we haven't played well as an offensive line, and some

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Speaker 12: very concerned about what the prospects are going into Pittsburgh

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Speaker 12: will mean for this team going forward. So very concerned

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Speaker 12: to say the least, and I'm not at all that

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Speaker 12: enthused to go forward. I'm very concerned. I think it's aligning,

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Speaker 12: even given what I saw against the the Texans. I'll

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Speaker 12: pause for the cause and i'll, you know, let you

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Speaker 12: guys chime in accordingly.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Ken's that's all pretty accurate stuff. Yeah, the conference

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Speaker 4: is sharpening up, and this is a point where we've

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Speaker 4: seen it with this team in years past, and now

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Speaker 4: we're seeing it with some other teams where they start

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Speaker 4: to get better as the season winds up, where they

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Speaker 4: get guys healthier, where they get guys back, they start

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Speaker 4: to find themselves offensively. Uh, new players, free agents and

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Speaker 4: draft picks start to hone in on and get deep

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Speaker 4: into their into the season feel like they're really they

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Speaker 4: know what they're doing on their offense. The offense works

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Speaker 4: better with them in it. All that stuff that we

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Speaker 4: talked about early in the season by finding yourself, it's

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Speaker 4: all done now. Now these teams are kind of hitting

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Speaker 4: the gas pedal, some of them, and it's something we've

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Speaker 4: seen this team do in the past, and now we're

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Speaker 4: seeing other team like Baltimore is a perfect example at Denver.

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Speaker 4: And of course we've been saying the same thing about

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Speaker 4: New England. And you're right. In the losses, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: seem the Bills have played or certainly in the Dolphins game,

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Speaker 4: they didn't match the intensity of that team. They showed

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Speaker 4: up asleep in Miami and it showed. You have a

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Speaker 4: hard time convincing me the Bills are seventeen points worse

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Speaker 4: than the Dolphins. But there it is. You know, when

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Speaker 4: you don't show up mentally, you get embarrassed. And this team,

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Speaker 4: You're right, And I made this point last week and

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Speaker 4: I'll make it again. A team that's driven by its

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Speaker 4: offense like this Bills team is, and we've all seen it.

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Speaker 4: The Bill's defense is kind of hanging on because of

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Speaker 4: the injuries and trying to find itself, new players, switching

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Speaker 4: guys in and out. The defense just been trying to

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Speaker 4: tread water. The whole engine of the team when they

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Speaker 4: win is the offense. Well, it's harder to play off

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Speaker 4: on the road, and I think that's why you see

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Speaker 4: this team play so well in high mark here at

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Speaker 4: home and struggled so badly on the road. That's the

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Speaker 4: way an offensively driven team looks.

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Speaker 3: But that wasn't the case last year.

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Speaker 4: Not because they were churning out turnovers. Yeah, they were

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Speaker 4: turning out turnovers last year. That took takeaway as you're

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Speaker 4: talking takeaways. Yeah, their defense was churning out takeaways, giving

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Speaker 4: extra possess, and they would get extra possessions and plus

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Speaker 4: you get a turnover the cloud, the crowd deflates. I mean,

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. It's just not there this year. The

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Speaker 4: turnovers aren't there this year, which he kind of figured

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Speaker 4: last year was a little bit of an aberration, was

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Speaker 4: gonna come back to the norm. But that's you know,

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Speaker 4: Ken's right. Going forward, you gotta show up. Your defense

650
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Speaker 4: has to get an uptick in its production, and the

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Speaker 4: offense has to play like we know it can and

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Speaker 4: we've seen it play. It can't be any more roller

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Speaker 4: coasters where you know, you score three touchdowns in one

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Speaker 4: half and zero in the second half, and then.

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Speaker 2: They're also one in three in games in which they

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Speaker 2: have more than one turnover. Yeah, that's they can't overcome it.

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Speaker 4: They're not that. No, they can't. That's right, they can't.

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Speaker 3: One win, which was the home game against Tampa.

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Speaker 4: Where they were even or I think they were.

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00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: They were plus one, didn't plus didn't. The Bucks have

661
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: three turnovers and the Bills had two. I think that's

662
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Speaker 2: how it finished. I can check real quickly, yes, you know,

663
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: and look, I realize past performance is not an indicator

664
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Speaker 2: of future results, but this is usually the time of

665
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: year where Sean McDermott earns his money. Since twenty twenty,

666
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: his team is eighteen and three in the month of

667
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: December and five and one in the regular season in

668
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: the month of January, and the one loss was the

669
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: throwaway game.

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Speaker 3: Last year in week eighteen. So if you want to

671
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: put your faith in the past, you can. I don't

672
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: know if it's completely wise to do so, but if you.

673
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Want to hang your hat on something, this team usually

674
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: finds a gear in December to win games somehow someway

675
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: and hopefully that's the case again this year.

676
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bills were plus one on the turnovers with

677
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay, And you're right, but I think more so

678
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 4: than other years, you really feel like, man, they better

679
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: shift gears in December, right, I feel.

680
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: Like outside of twenty twenty three when they absolutely positively

681
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: had to and win five and zero, you know, counting

682
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: December and January there, it was.

683
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: Kind of the same scenario that they're facing now, except

684
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: it was the Dolphins then. It's the Patriots now. But

685
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: the Dolphins then, I think a lot of people back

686
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 4: then thought, yeah, the.

687
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: Dolphins, they were a flawed team.

688
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: The Dolphins are coming back to us. They're gonna lose,

689
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: We're gonna win, and it's gonna be a winner take

690
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: all at the end. You don't feel like that with

691
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: the Patriots this year. Yeah, So you gotta win your

692
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: games and get in somehow by hook or crook to.

693
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Speaker 3: Mark in Jersey City next. Let me see here, my

694
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: board is frozen. Let me see if I can unfreeze it.

695
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: Somebody helped me pull up Mark in Jersey City. It's

696
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: not handing that. Yeah, I got a frozen phone board here.

697
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: Let me try to refresh because I can't get to anybody.

698
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 13: Oh, I'm on, guys, Go.

699
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: Go ahead, there's Mark in Jersey City.

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Speaker 13: What's up Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen. A long time. Yeah.

701
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 13: This inconsistency, even for the season, just for the Bills

702
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 13: is incredible. Their first game is a microcosm of what

703
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 13: they've been. I mean, they start off sort hot, then

704
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 13: they just go into a deep freeze and then get

705
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 13: hot again. You just hold the season trends that way.

706
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 13: They're just not athletic enough. And I give the staff

707
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 13: a lot of credit. I mean, they they're really putting

708
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 13: it together with duct tape and shoe string on defense,

709
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 13: but on offense, it seems like Chris just said, they

710
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 13: played mine on the road last year, and this year

711
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 13: they just seem to be I don't know, in a

712
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 13: malaise or a stupor. I don't know what's going on.

713
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 13: I know on Hard Knocks, McDermott was addressing the team

714
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 13: and he said to them during one of their team

715
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 13: meetings that they just seem like they can just show

716
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 13: up and go right back to the AFC Championship game.

717
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 13: And I just think that's that's what it's been. That's

718
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 13: what it's looked like. So I can only go by

719
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 13: what I've seen on the field, but I will say,

720
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 13: you know, at last half full, they do seem to

721
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 13: like being the underdog, doubted bad mouth. That's where they've thrived.

722
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 13: They are not good front runners. They're not good favorites.

723
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 13: They just aren't. They've never been. I don't know why,

724
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 13: but they like to. They like this. They can close ranks,

725
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 13: they can just huddle together and just put their backs

726
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 13: against the wall and face everybody else. So I hope

727
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 13: this many by help and thanks for taking my call.

728
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Speaker 3: Guests, Sure thing, Yeah, we're all hoping for that, right.

729
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: There's something in that, and it's it's a classic motivational

730
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: coping mechanism for a team. They need to be challenged

731
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: in a way that that will be evident that they

732
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: can disprove right by winning. You know, it's it's old.

733
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: I mean people, I mean Thurman used to do it.

734
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: Players do it. You see them all the time. They

735
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: love to have people count them out, right, so they

736
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: can prove people wrong.

737
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Speaker 3: They love Michael Jordan. I took that personally.

738
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: They love people. They love proving people wrong, love proving

739
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: people wrong. Well, you know what, you show up and play,

740
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: would you please? When you're supposed to win? But yeah,

741
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: so it's it's that the thing I always say, you know,

742
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: it's everybody's motivated by different things, but you know one thing,

743
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: it's going to hurt, and you need to have a

744
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: reason to hurt. And sometimes proven people wrong is the

745
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: reason you need some guys thrive on that. But I

746
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: think you're right, Mark, this is a team that you know,

747
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: only two teams in the league have been there as

748
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 4: often as as.

749
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Speaker 3: Two teams have been to the playoffs six of the

750
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Speaker 3: last six.

751
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Speaker 4: Years, and the Bills and the Chiefs.

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Speaker 8: That's it.

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00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: Nobody else can say that, none of the and you

754
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: can see both these teams are like, you know, kind

755
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: of going through it this season. Well we'll see, we'll see.

756
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: But you're that's a good, good observation by you. Mark.

757
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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls though.

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Speaker 2: When we get back, we'll lead off with Eddie and

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Speaker 2: than you planned for. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker here with

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Speaker 2: you on a Buffalo football Monday. No game to recap,

769
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Speaker 2: So we're asking you, what did Week twelve tell you

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00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: about the AFC Conference playoff race eight oh three zero

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Speaker 2: five point fifty won eighty eight five point fifty two

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Speaker 2: five fifty and as promised to Eddie in Glen's Falls.

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Speaker 3: Next, what's up Hetty.

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Speaker 8: Calling about the Bills? They have a fantastic backfield with

775
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Speaker 8: three great running backs, a great fullback, and as we know,

776
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 8: the MVP quarterback. In nineteen sixty eight, the Kansas City

777
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Speaker 8: Chiefs played the Oakland Raiders and they ran the ball

778
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Speaker 8: sixty times and through three passes and won the game.

779
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 8: If you look it up, why can't the Buffalo Bills

780
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 8: do that today? That would be a phenomenal way to

781
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 8: win a game.

782
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: Games.

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00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 8: We have the running backs, we got the horses last

784
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 8: year we had every time we used Anderson in a

785
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 8: lot in the offensive scheme. We had close to fifty

786
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 8: percent good running plays this year. It's under twenty. Why

787
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 8: aren't they using Anderson this year? I should talk.

788
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine, Eddie.

789
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: First of all, you're talking about football over fifty five

790
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: years ago.

791
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: It's not the same game anymore. I hate to break

792
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: it to you.

793
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: Second, they're not using Alec Anderson anymore because they have

794
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: a tight end in Jackson Hawes, who they believe is

795
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: every bit the blocker that Alec Anderson is. As a

796
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: matter of fact, I've heard from two different coaches, both

797
00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Joe Brady and Aaron Kromer have told me personally, Jackson

798
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Hawes is the best blocking tight end they have ever seen.

799
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: Now that's just two people's opinion, but it's two people

800
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: with a trained eye for what that's supposed to look like.

801
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: And the reason you utilize him if he's every bit

802
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: as good a blocker as Alec Anderson is, because he

803
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: also gives you the option of throwing him a pass,

804
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: thereby making your offense more unpredictable.

805
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: So that's the answer to that, Steve.

806
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to weigh in on

807
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: blindly running the football sixty times as a path to

808
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: playoff seating.

809
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: All I can say is the Bills ran the ball

810
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: more than anybody through the first I don't know half

811
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: the season. They are leading the league in rushing, So

812
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: I don't know that you know they're going to run

813
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: it as much as you would like, Eddie, But they

814
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 4: are balanced. They try to be balanced so that if

815
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: one or the other run of the pass gets taken

816
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: away from him, they still have something to do and

817
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 4: they can find more ways to beat other teams. So

818
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, you're yeah, I think that's a

819
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 4: nice sentiment, but I'm kind of with Brownie. It's it's

820
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: been fifty seven years since nineteen sixteen.

821
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: Advanced analytics have proven the most efficient way to move

822
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: the balls.

823
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: To throw it. It's a much different football game than

824
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: nowadays than it was then.

825
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah to Brian on a Selle next, what's up? Brian?

826
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 14: Thanks gentlemen. Yeah, I know every team deals with injuries,

827
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 14: but I would like to see us sat about man

828
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 14: games lost team to team. Where I'm going is does

829
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 14: the training and conditioning staff need to be bounced or

830
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 14: something because they're not getting it done? And also penalties.

831
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 14: I would like to see players get finned or punished

832
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 14: with laughs or whatever when they commit all these drive

833
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 14: killing penalties. Thanks again, gentlemen.

834
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, injuries and penalties are frustrating.

835
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: I get it, so one d per injury sport. I

836
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: think we know that it does seem like the Bills

837
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: have been bitten hard by the injury bug this year,

838
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: maybe more so than in previous years. I'm not a doctor,

839
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm not an athletic trainer. I'm not a strength and

840
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: conditioning coach, so I'm not going to pretend to know

841
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: what they do as a profession.

842
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: Nor am I going to weigh in on how good or.

843
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Poor I think they're doing their job, because I don't

844
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: know enough about that side of the business.

845
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 3: I really don't.

846
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: I just know that injuries happen all the time in

847
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: football because of the fact that it's a barbaric sport,

848
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: even as safe as they have made it in recent years.

849
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: Anything that we notice with just our observations watching the games,

850
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: hearing about it in practice. I don't know how closely Brian,

851
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 4: you follow practice updates and injury updates, but anything that

852
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 4: you and I or any fan can observe that seems

853
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: to be a trend has been chewed up and analyzed

854
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: statistically and talked about at length by the strength and

855
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: conditioning staff of this club, and that goes for every club.

856
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: Nothing goes unnoticed. So if you and I and all

857
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: of us are noticing it out here, they've already had

858
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: long conversations about it, about what they can do to

859
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: combat it. It's yes, it is one hundred percent injury sport,

860
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 4: but they also train year round and it's impossible. It's

861
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: one of the few sports that is impossible to play

862
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 4: to practice. You can't play yourself into shape. It just

863
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 4: doesn't work like that. And that's why when you start,

864
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: when you start playing at full speed, one hundred percent

865
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: effort and one hundred percent intensity, packling all the way

866
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: to the ground and blocking all the way to the

867
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: sidelines and finishing plays and going to the whistle, you're

868
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 4: doing stuff that you can't practice. So you're gonna see

869
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 4: guys get injured just from the effort of it, because

870
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 4: you can't train to get there because of the injury

871
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: and atrea of the sport. So a lot of the stuff,

872
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 4: particularly in the preseason, particularly in those early games, when

873
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 4: guys are popping calf muscles, and hamstrings and all this

874
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: stuff's happening. It's because they're doing stuff they can't practice

875
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: any place other than on the field in one hundred

876
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 4: percent intensity. You can't duplicate it on the practice field.

877
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: So it's always going to be a problem. And I remember,

878
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: and I'll say it again, I've told this story before.

879
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: Eddie Abramowski, who's a Hall of fame athletic trainer, was

880
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 4: with the Buffalo Bills for three and a half maybe

881
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: four decades, from the very beginning all the way through

882
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: my era and beyond. Eddie used to tell us and

883
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 4: he said it was He says, you can't you can't

884
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: predict it. He said, we will go five years and

885
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: never have an injury like that, and then in one

886
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: year we'll get six of them.

887
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: It's the wrist injury last.

888
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 4: Like the wrist injury last year. He goes, you can't

889
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: figure it out. It's it's beyond explanation. He goes, it

890
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 4: is absolutely you can. You can chisel it into stone

891
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: that if you haven't seen like a turf toe injury

892
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: for four years, you're gonna get six this year. If

893
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 4: you haven't got a wrist injury in two years, you're

894
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: gonna get three of them. You know, it's just if

895
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: you haven't had if you had a nice year last year,

896
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: nobody ever pulled a hamstring the entire year, you're gonna

897
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 4: get ten of them this year. He's he maintained that

898
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: it was absolutely impossible to predict because everything. His idea

899
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 4: was everything comes back to the norm. If you have

900
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 4: so many per year, you're gonna average that. So if

901
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: you haven't had any for a while, when you start

902
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: getting him, you're like, oh gosh, there it is.

903
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: And with respect to penalties, I know they tick you

904
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Speaker 2: off when there's a big down in distance fourth and

905
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: one last last week. You know, at the end of

906
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: the game turns into a fourth and six. I understand

907
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: all that the Bills are twenty first in most penalty

908
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: flags this season, twenty first, they're down and in total

909
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: penalties assessed they're eighteenth, so they're in the lower third

910
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: of the league in terms of number of penalties called.

911
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: Again, they're middle of the pack. Yeah yeah, So.

912
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes you feel any better,

913
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 2: but you might be surprised to know that they're below

914
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Speaker 2: the middle of the pack both in assessed penalties and

915
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: total flags.

916
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: On the season got to take a break here.

917
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: Hour number two is going to begin with my broadcast

918
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Speaker 2: partner on the Bills Radio Network, Eric Wood, who's going

919
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: to join us. Final thoughts on last Thursday and looking

920
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: ahead to what is shaping up to be a giant

921
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: AFC matchup with the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

922
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Speaker 3: Eric Wood coming your way next year on One Bill's Live.

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927
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928
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935
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Speaker 2: All right, Eric Will, We're not going to dwell on

936
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: last Thursday very long, but you know we hear from

937
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Speaker 2: Coach McDermott. The day after the game, not looking good

938
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: for Bernard or Spencer Brown going into this week's game

939
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: against the Steelers. We saw Ryan Vandermark performing in that game.

940
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: We saw Shack Thompson with the green dot on his

941
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: helmet running the defense. Maybe just parlay those substitutions in

942
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: anticipation of those two playing going into next week, and

943
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: what is fair for fans to expect.

944
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 15: Yeah, Spencer Brown's one of the best right tackles in

945
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 15: the National Football Leagues. When you lose a guy like that,

946
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 15: there's always going to be some type of a drop off. Now,

947
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 15: Ryan Vandermark has starting experience with the Bills. He's been

948
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 15: in the system his whole career, and it's a guy

949
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 15: that they have a lot of confidence in. And I

950
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 15: thought when he came in the game against Houston, which

951
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 15: was a really tough situation to come in on the

952
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 15: road late in the game where everyone's in a rhythm,

953
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 15: he performed well. Now, obviously not perfect, but I thought

954
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 15: he played well at the end. And he's a guy

955
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 15: that the Bills have a ton of confidence in and

956
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 15: a guy that they won't necessarily have to be worried

957
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 15: about Shaq Thompson filling in for Trell Bernard. You know,

958
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 15: Shaq Thompson has been one of our best linebackers, if

959
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 15: not our best linebacker on the team this year. You know,

960
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 15: obviously age is not on his side, part of the

961
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 15: reason the Bills were able to get him this offseason

962
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 15: and bring him into Buffalo. But a guy that's played

963
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 15: well when he's been in there, and if his body

964
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Speaker 15: can hold up, a guy that everybody should have a

965
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 15: lot of confidence in running the middle of that defense.

966
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: And so I mean personnel aside, I mean, what can

967
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: this defense, what will this defense do to kind of

968
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 4: do more of what they did in the second half

969
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 4: against Houston and less of what they did in the

970
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 4: first half. I mean they gave they were on pace

971
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 4: to give up forty points in that game and then

972
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: shut the faucet off and they gave up three the

973
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: rest of the way.

974
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, the defense played great in the second half. You

975
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 15: give up three points and that came off of the

976
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 15: Shakir fumble on the Bills end of the field. So

977
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 15: give the defense credit for what they were able to

978
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 15: do in the second half. It's you know, and Bobby

979
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 15: Babbage talked about it on his interview with Chris last

980
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 15: week for the pregame that it's about getting to those

981
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 15: adjustments sooner. You know, you got to start the game fast,

982
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 15: and they did start. They forced a punt on the

983
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 15: first possession, and then it's continuing to maintain it throughout

984
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 15: the first half and it's starting better in games. You know,

985
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 15: right now we have both on the edge. His wrist

986
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 15: is obviously bothering him. His pressure rates gone from fifteen

987
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 15: percent to about five percent since he's had the wrist injury.

988
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 15: He's gotten it out, but they got to find some

989
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 15: way to get more consistent pressure on the quarterback. And

990
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 15: then in the run game, they've got to be more

991
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 15: successful early on in games. It's like they wait till

992
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 15: the second half figure out what they're doing in that

993
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 15: adjust They've got to be able.

994
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 6: To get stops earlier in the game.

995
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 15: And so you know, injuries with guy like Ed Oliver

996
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 15: Michael Hoyite, those guys are coming back and if Ed

997
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 15: does it, it potentially be the playoffs. And so they

998
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 15: gotta find some answers on the defense side of the

999
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 15: football in getting off the field earlier in games, especially

1000
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 15: when you have an offense that's not clicking on all

1001
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 15: cylinders either.

1002
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: And then you know, spinning it forward to the Pittsburgh game,

1003
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Let's assume you know Vandermark's starting at right tackle. What

1004
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: kind of protection plan would you anticipate. Knowing TJ.

1005
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: Watts on the other side, You're.

1006
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 15: Gonna you're likely gonna give him a lot of attention,

1007
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 15: whether it's chips, making sure you're sliding in that direction

1008
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 15: to potentially have the guard help out as well. You're

1009
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 15: gonna have a lot of attention on TJ. Wats through

1010
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 15: that game. And they're not just gonna throw Ryan Vandermark

1011
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 15: out there to the Wolves. Now, there's at times there's

1012
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 15: gonna be times where he's gonna have to win one

1013
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 15: on one matchups against t J.

1014
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: Watt.

1015
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 15: You just don't want him to have to do it

1016
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 15: thirty forty times throughout the game against Pittsburgh, And Joe

1017
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 15: Brady talked about it on Friday that he wished he

1018
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 15: would have provided more heal for those tackles throughout the game.

1019
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 6: And so I'd suspect that we'll see that.

1020
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 9: Now.

1021
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 15: Houston's a different animal because you have two great edge

1022
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 15: rushers and so at times it can be more difficult

1023
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 15: to provide those chips when you have those guys on

1024
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 15: both sides.

1025
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh has other quality.

1026
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 15: Pass rushers, but no one that creates a duo like

1027
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 15: we faced last week against Houston with Will Anderson Junior

1028
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 15: and Daniel Hunter on the other side.

1029
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 4: Obviously, last week, the Bills offensive line seemed to be

1030
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: almost overwhelmed by that Houston pass rush. What do you know,

1031
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 4: how do those conversations go. You're watching that film and

1032
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 4: you've got this you know you got to you kind

1033
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 4: of gotta wind it up and go to the next game.

1034
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 4: I know, I know how that is. Give us an

1035
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: idea of what the offensive line was thinking as they

1036
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 4: watched that film and what they've got to do in

1037
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 4: the coming weeks to get ready for Pittsburgh on the road.

1038
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, those meetings have the next after a game like

1039
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 15: that are never fun. Now, you know, Cromer's not gonna

1040
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 15: sit there and yell and scream. I'm sure it wasn't

1041
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 15: a fun meeting to be in. But it's not going

1042
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 15: to be berating the players. It's going to be what

1043
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 15: do we need to do more moving forward to be

1044
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 15: more successful?

1045
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 13: Was it?

1046
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 6: You know, was it a technique thing? Was a scheme?

1047
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 15: At times where we maybe need to chip or whatever

1048
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 15: it may be, is it, you know, an effort, whatever

1049
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 15: it may be, you're you're coaching to be able to

1050
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 15: put out a better product the following week. This has

1051
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 15: been one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.

1052
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 15: Obviously last week was not their strongest performance. You know, interior,

1053
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 15: the tackles, everybody took their turns getting beat the you know,

1054
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 15: the spotlights on those tackles out.

1055
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 6: On the edges.

1056
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 15: But you know, nobody plays a perfect game. Nobody played

1057
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 15: a great game when you have a performance like that

1058
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 15: with the offensive line. And so I have a lot

1059
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 15: of confidence in this group moving forward and then in

1060
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 15: this game against Pittsburgh to really rebound because, like I said,

1061
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 15: this is especially pass blocking. Been one of the best

1062
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 15: groups in the NFL for a couple of years now.

1063
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: We know that their performance on the road has not

1064
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: been nearly what it's been at home. And we are

1065
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: all smart ugh to know it's harder to run your offense,

1066
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 2: you know, in a loud environment, especially pre snap motion

1067
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: and things of the like.

1068
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: How do they kind of rectify that?

1069
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: Eric, because the point production on the road, with the

1070
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: possible exception of the Carolina game and the Jets game

1071
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: has been tough to come by. They don't look like

1072
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: the same offense.

1073
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, and it's a veteran group, so you don't expect

1074
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 15: them to have troubles with the silent cadence. We have

1075
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 15: the same center that we've had the last couple of years,

1076
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 15: you know, same quarterbacks, same operations, So you have to

1077
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 15: look at, Okay, what's causing you know, some of these issues.

1078
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 15: At times it's you know, the clock's running down late

1079
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 15: and you can't necessarily use the quarterback to hardcount those situations.

1080
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 15: They're getting a great jump on the ball. Okay, So

1081
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 15: can we get to the line of scrimmage earlier? Are

1082
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 15: there different answers in the pass game that doesn't put

1083
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 15: as much pressure on Josh on the offensive line? Maybe

1084
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 15: some quicker first down throws, the option routes, quick slam ants,

1085
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 15: finding some answers there, and then ultimately, anytime you could

1086
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 15: establish the run on the road, that's always going to

1087
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 15: help and it helps take the crowd out of it.

1088
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 15: And so getting back to what's been their bread and

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Speaker 15: butterer majority of this year and being able to run

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Speaker 15: the football effectively can help as well.

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Speaker 4: What do you think has been the problem of late

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00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: running the football. Certainly they're not giving James Cook as

1093
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 4: many touches in that part of the game as they

1094
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 4: usually do because of the lack of you know, lack

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: of production. How do you get back on track of that.

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: What's the best way?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think against Miami and Tampa they were stacking

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Speaker 15: the box.

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Speaker 6: That wasn't necessarily the case.

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Speaker 15: Against Houston, Houston was flying around and they were physical

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00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 15: in their run fits. They tackled well, and give the

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Speaker 15: give Houston credit because it wasn't necessarily loaded boxes that

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00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 15: they were running into, which slowed the run game down.

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Speaker 15: Like I mentioned where we saw against the Dolphins in

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00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 15: the Bucks a week ago in Orchard Park, and so

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00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 15: you know, it's it's finding some variety as well as

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00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 15: also so leaning into what.

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Speaker 6: You do best.

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 15: The duo runs, the counters the inside outside zone, which

1110
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 15: can either be run on the outside either a handoff

1111
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 15: or the pitches like we saw against Carolina. But it's

1112
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 15: it's getting back to that bonding the play action off

1113
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 15: of it that also mirrors what you're doing out there

1114
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 15: game plan wise, which I felt like we've done a

1115
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 15: good job at times this year. But you know, those

1116
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 15: play action passes aren't newly as threatening when you're not

1117
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 15: running the football effectively. There was a couple times against

1118
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 15: the Texans where we ran play action and their backers

1119
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 15: didn't even come downhill at all.

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Speaker 6: They were anticipating it.

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Speaker 15: And so it's being able to establish the runs that

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 15: those play action passes can open up some things at

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Speaker 15: the second and third level of the defenses.

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Speaker 2: Eric, I know we talked about it on the pregame

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Speaker 2: roundtable after the inactives came out and we discovered that

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman was sitting for a second straight week. We

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00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: believed it had more to do with what the guys

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Speaker 2: that were in the lineup against the Bucks did on

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Speaker 2: the field in terms of performance than anything that Keon

1130
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: Coleman did right, wrong or indifferent through the course of

1131
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: the practice week. But after that performance on the road

1132
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: where the passing game struggled mightily, do we think that

1133
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 2: the door swings back open for Keyon Coleman to get

1134
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: back in the lineup this week?

1135
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1136
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Speaker 6: I think so.

1137
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Speaker 15: And when you look at his talent, as long as

1138
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 15: he's handling things in the facility throughout the week, you

1139
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 15: want to get him reps.

1140
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Speaker 6: You got to see what you got in this guy.

1141
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 15: I mean, you drafted him where you did for a

1142
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 15: reason because the talent is there, and so I would

1143
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 15: suspect that he would be back in the lineup this week,

1144
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 15: but especially considering we didn't have the same passing success

1145
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 15: as we did against the Bucks. But he's got to

1146
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 15: earn that opportunity, and Sean McDermott is you know, he's fair.

1147
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 6: I'll say that Sean is fair.

1148
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 15: If you put in the work and you earn the opportunity,

1149
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Speaker 15: He's gonna play the best guys and the guys that

1150
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 15: he and this coaching staff trust.

1151
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 6: So if Keon could earn that trust back.

1152
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 15: That he could be a reliable teammate and member of

1153
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 15: this order to throughout the week. I suspect that we'll

1154
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Speaker 15: see him back out there because when you talk about

1155
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 15: the talent that he does have, if he can develop

1156
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 15: and continue to get better, this is a guy that

1157
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 15: could potentially be a factor down the road.

1158
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Speaker 4: All right, So we talked about the run game and that,

1159
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 4: and we get as this is a perfect in a

1160
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 4: perfect world, it's fifty to fifty balance, But what would

1161
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 4: you like to see the Bills do in their passing

1162
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 4: game a little better? That they haven't been able to do. Certainly,

1163
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 4: it's been a focal point for a lot of people.

1164
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 4: The wide receiver room's been a point of emphasis. People

1165
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 4: been having conversations about needing a big time number one guy.

1166
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: And certainly, you know, and I've always said, if you

1167
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 4: get better players, you're going to play better. But what

1168
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 4: are they gonna do? You know, what would you like

1169
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 4: to see from their passing game that we haven't seen

1170
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Speaker 4: enough of? Yeah?

1171
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Speaker 15: I thought against the Bucks we had some great game

1172
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 15: plan specific passes, especially those two plays the touchdowns to

1173
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 15: Ty Johnson and James Cook. Finding ways to manufacture some

1174
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 15: guys open like like those. For example, I think if

1175
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 15: Kincaid's able to come back for this game, that's obviously

1176
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 15: a factor he for even if he's not getting the ball,

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 15: he takes a lot of eyes from the defense to

1178
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 15: potentially open other guys up. But if he's able to

1179
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 15: come back and be healthy, he could be a factor

1180
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 15: to keep keep working him back in. And then you

1181
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 15: get Palmer and Kikaid on the field together, which would

1182
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 15: been rare this season. Those are likely your two best

1183
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 15: pass catchers or route runners on this team. And so

1184
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 15: you know, to me, it's finding some of those scheme throws,

1185
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 15: those quick hitters, like I was saying earlier to you know,

1186
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 15: on first and ten second and medium DeLong, finding those

1187
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 15: ones that gets you close to the sticks and keep

1188
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 15: you on schedule. And then ultimately, Guy's got to make plays.

1189
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 15: Joshon's got to make plays with his arms, and Guy's

1190
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 15: got to make plays out there for him, like we

1191
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 15: saw against the Bucks and other times this year second

1192
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 15: half against the Ravens.

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01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 6: We're just not finding it consistent enough right now.

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: Eric, Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. We'll see

1195
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: you up in Pittsburgh. So have a happy Thanksgiving and

1196
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: we'll see up there this weekend.

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Speaker 6: Okay, sounds good. Happy Thanksgiving guys, and having great rest

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Speaker 6: of the week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's Eric wood, Bill's color analyst on the Bills Radio Network,

1201
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: also a former Buffalo center And I just have to

1202
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: believe Steve after hearing coach McDermott after the game Thursday

1203
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: night unequivocally state we cannot get a quarterback hit like that.

1204
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: I think the protection scheme is going to be dramatically

1205
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: different this week. They're not going to be counting on

1206
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: those five to block their three four or five or whatever.

1207
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: It is hat on a hat that there is going

1208
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: to be a much different priority assigned to protection. After

1209
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: watching Josh get sack the most that he's ever been

1210
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: in one game and probably hit the most that he's

1211
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: ever been in one game. Oh, without questioning, I expect

1212
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: a considerable shift in what their philosophy is protection wise,

1213
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: because you know, TJ. Watt just passed his brother this

1214
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: past weekend for most and he did it with a sack.

1215
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: In the end zone.

1216
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: It you can't mess around, and not to mention the

1217
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: fact that you're on the road again, advantage, defensive line,

1218
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: crowd noise, silent count, all of that, not to mention

1219
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: the fact that you're probably without Spencer Brown on the

1220
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: right side. So nothing against Ryan Vandermark, but there isn't

1221
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: anybody in the league really that can successfully block TJ.

1222
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: Watt one on one on a regular basis. It just

1223
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So the protection plan I think is going

1224
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: to look like Fort Knocks this week in comparison to

1225
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: last week. That's just what I'm anticipating. Do you feel

1226
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: differently like it? No, you can't got to a quarterback

1227
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: get hit like that. No, you have to have a

1228
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: plan for TJ anyway, and certainly having film out there

1229
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: of what happened to them this last week in Houston's

1230
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: is only going to empower the Steelers to do the

1231
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: exact same thing. So, yeah, you've got your work cut

1232
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 2: out for you, knowing that they're gonna be They're gonna

1233
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: be out there trying to duplicate that performance, if not

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: more so. Yeah, eight oh three oh five point fifty

1235
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Speaker 2: one eighty eight, five fifty two, five fifty.

1236
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: Those are the numbers to join us.

1237
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: We do have open lines for you right now as

1238
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: we are asking you today, what did week twelve tell

1239
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: us about the playoff picture.

1240
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: In the AFC? Or if you want to make it

1241
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: bill specific, you can do that as well.

1242
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: Eight oh three oh five fifty one eighty eight, five

1243
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: point fifty two, five fifty. I think we all know

1244
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be a sprint to the finish here,

1245
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: just based on how compactly pressed teams are. I mean,

1246
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: even if you want to take out the front runners,

1247
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: you know that are ten and two in the Patriots

1248
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: and nine and two in the Broncos. Everybody after that

1249
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: is separated essentially by two games in a lost count.

1250
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: It's everyone that's either eight and three or six and five,

1251
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 2: and that's the range for about ten teams.

1252
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's ten teams yeah.

1253
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 3: With you know, six to play.

1254
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of football left in a very

1255
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: tight race right now. So I don't know, like I

1256
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: just think, I think this has the potential to be

1257
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: very topsy turvy between now and week eighteen.

1258
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: But let's get back to the phones.

1259
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Speaker 2: At eight oh three zero five fifty won eighty eight

1260
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty into Kevin in Hamburg.

1261
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: What's up, Kevin?

1262
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 16: Hey, guys, Hey you, and thanks for taking my call.

1263
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 16: I would I agree with what you said about half

1264
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 16: hour ago when he said about how this seems like

1265
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 16: about like twenty three, when you uh, when we had

1266
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 16: to rush our bus our butts to get to the

1267
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 16: end when we're six and six and it looked bad.

1268
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 16: The only thing this is the only thing I change is,

1269
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 16: or the only thing I can see the understand is

1270
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 16: that Josh took way less beatings than even though he

1271
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 16: got sacked in those losses, than he did this year.

1272
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 16: I mean, if you look at Houston in Atlanta, Houston

1273
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 16: I sacked eight times. I can't remember how being gotten

1274
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 16: sacked in Atlanta four or five. I think there's like

1275
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 16: thirteen sacks and two losses. He didn't seem to take

1276
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 16: from money to remember the physical violent abuse that he's

1277
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 16: had these two losses, and then seeing this, he like

1278
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 16: he got way more pounded on, even more. And that's

1279
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 16: what's concerning more than two years ago. You know what

1280
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 16: I'm saying.

1281
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, we talked about this even before the Houston game,

1282
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 4: was that Josh is on a pace maybe two to

1283
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 4: one of what he got sacked during his MVP year

1284
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 4: last year. He's just getting sacked a lot more so

1285
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 4: are some other quarterbacks. Whether it's a trend or whether

1286
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 4: it's something where because of what they're telling these quarterbacks

1287
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 4: to do and being coached differently, a different tactic of

1288
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: hanging on to the football instead of throwing it away.

1289
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 4: Maybe that's starting to show up in you know, to

1290
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 4: the naked eye like we see it and getting sacked

1291
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: all the time. I don't know, but certainly Josh is

1292
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 4: getting sacked at a much higher rate than he did

1293
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 4: a year ago, and or is at any point in

1294
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 4: his career. He's always been really really difficult to sack,

1295
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 4: and this year obviously in the last month, and I

1296
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 4: have it doesn't seem like that right. So I don't

1297
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: know whether that's a symptom of Josh changing his philosophy,

1298
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 4: or whether it's the offensive line, or whether it's defenses

1299
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 4: changing their tactics, or whether it's you know, wide receiver

1300
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 4: room like some fans suspect it is nobody can get open,

1301
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 4: or what it is. But certainly we're seeing a difference

1302
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 4: in the amount of sacks Josh is taking. And I

1303
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 4: always say, you know, it looks like he's he's doing

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 4: it voluntarily almost sometimes in the first half of the season.

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 4: That's true. I don't think I didn't see that. I

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 4: didn't feel like that in the Houston game. I thought

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01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 4: they got him.

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Speaker 2: And he did say after the game that a few

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01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: of them are on him, that he was holding the

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01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: ball too long and he's just got to throw it

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 2: away and live for another play. That's where his own

1312
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: competitive nature gets the best of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and eight sacks, I mean they're all different, they're

1314
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 4: all different, they all but they all count as a sack.

1315
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 4: So some of them are on him, some of them

1316
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 4: are on the receiver, some of them are on the defense,

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01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 4: some of them are on his offensive line, and when

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 4: you have eight of them and a bunch more hits

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01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 4: on top of that, Yeah, there's a lot of reasons

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Speaker 4: for it. So I'm yeah, you're right. It is different.

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01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 4: Every year is different, And we just drew the analogy

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty three season because we're kind of

1323
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 4: feeling like that right now, except that's when they made

1324
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 4: the coordinator change. And there's a lot of differences about

1325
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: the twenty three season and the twenty five season right now.

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Speaker 4: It's just there's a lot of them, So us drawing

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 4: comparisons to the two and their similarities doesn't really always

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 4: hold true one hundred percent. There's always going to be differences.

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 4: But one of the same things is that they were

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01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 4: kind of feels like they're they were really tread and

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01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 4: water in twenty twenty three. Now there's seven and four

1332
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 4: and there you know, they're much better record than they

1333
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: were then. But there are some similarities and there are

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 4: some things that are vastly different.

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Speaker 3: Gotta take a break here.

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Speaker 2: More of your phone calls. When we get back, we're

1337
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: wide open for them. So if you're holding at eight

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Speaker 2: O three oh five fifty, we'll get to you when

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Speaker 2: we return. We'll lead off with Paula in Rochester on

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Speaker 2: the other side here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Back here on One

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01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker on a Buffalo football Monday,

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: and we are asking you, what did Week twelve tell

1344
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: you about the AFC conference race?

1345
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 3: You let us know it ato three oh five fifty.

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: Right back to the phones we go, and to Paula

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,839
Speaker 2: in Rochester.

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Speaker 3: What's up Paula?

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 17: Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. Waited a long time.

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 9: Uh.

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 17: First of all, Steve, congratulations, I know you're going to

1352
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 17: get into the hall, and I'm sorry I couldn't see it,

1353
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 17: Saint John Fisher, but we were on opposite sides of

1354
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 17: the fence. H tried to get to you. But anyway,

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 17: I love Josh Allen and I love the Bills, but

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 17: I'm concerned that the best years of his career are

1357
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 17: going to be behind him soon. And I know he

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 17: can't get traded or won't want to trade. But what

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01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 17: would happened when they switched Jared Goff and met Matt Stafford.

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 17: Did they suddenly become better?

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 3: No?

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 17: I think they got the right compliment of teams that

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 17: they needed, So it doesn't seem like management is able

1364
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 17: to assemble the right chess pieces. And I'm just worried

1365
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 17: that he's he's, he's his career is going to be

1366
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 17: going without a Super Bowl. And that was one opinion.

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 17: My second opinion was on the NFL. They're worth billions

1368
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 17: of dollars, right, guys, How how come they can't afford

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 17: a backup umpire, let alone a white cap? I mean,

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Speaker 17: that was ridiculous watching the guy trying to get carted

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 17: off on the cart and he had to give the

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 17: guy his hat. Why can't they have a standby umpire's good?

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting question. And you're right, Paula about the officials.

1374
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 4: You would think, you know, can't they have like a

1375
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 4: guy Spare. I gotta be honest with you, though, had

1376
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 4: a spa official they do in the playoffs? Yeah, they

1377
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: got all kinds of guys in the playoffs. They got.

1378
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 4: What they do is in the playoffs they give each

1379
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 4: sideline and a non working white hat, like one of

1380
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 4: the real referees is standing next to each head coach, right,

1381
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 4: and they guide him through the thought process of what's

1382
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 4: going what he can do, what he can't do, so

1383
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 4: they can talk to him instead of talking to the

1384
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 4: guy on the on the field. But you're right that

1385
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 4: it does make a little sense. I'll say this in

1386
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 4: the NFL's defense. Yeah, they could probably afford it. But

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01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 4: that's the first time I've seen an official go down

1388
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: in like a decade. I can't remember the last time

1389
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 4: I saw an official go down and not be able

1390
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: to finish a game.

1391
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Speaker 3: I haven't.

1392
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 4: It happens so rarely that it seems, come on, spend

1393
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 4: your money in a better place. But I get your

1394
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 4: point when it happened. You know, it's like a parachute.

1395
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 4: You don't really need it unless you really need it,

1396
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: and then you really need it, you know. So that's

1397
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 4: that's correct. And as for listen as for the right

1398
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 4: combination around Josh and I am not a subscriber to

1399
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 4: the We're wasting Josh Allen narrative. I think Josh has

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01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 4: thrived here. And if you look around the National Football

1401
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 4: League and through the years, particularly the years that I've

1402
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 4: watched played covered it, which has been about thirty eight,

1403
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of great quarterbacks go to the

1404
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 4: wrong place and flounder I don't know that Josh Allen

1405
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: would be Josh Allen if he had landed in Cleveland

1406
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 4: or Miami or la or Seattle or you name it.

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 4: They all sound like good places and all that, but

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 4: they would he have been Josh Allen. I don't know

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 4: he'd have been something like him. Right. Buffalo has helped

1410
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 4: Josh become Josh and the MVP and the guy we

1411
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 4: know in love as much as Josh Allen has helped

1412
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills in this franchise. It's a symbiotic thing.

1413
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 4: And early in Josh's career, he looked into the camera

1414
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 4: and they were asking him about being in Buffalo and

1415
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 4: all this, and wouldn't you rather be somewhere? And he said, now,

1416
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm where I'm supposed to be, and I kind of

1417
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 4: I'm a big proponent of that. And I know this too,

1418
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 4: that there are a couple of hundred people working in

1419
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 4: this building that's maybe outside the players and the coaching

1420
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 4: staff and all that. There's a couple of hundred people

1421
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 4: who are doing everything they can to make sure they

1422
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 4: do get it right. And it's not about Josh. It's

1423
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 4: about the team and the franchise. It's what our jobs are.

1424
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 4: It's what everybody's job is. They got to get it right.

1425
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: The head coach, GM all the scouting staff, the sports

1426
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 4: science staff, the strength conditioning staff, the public relations staff,

1427
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:26,480
Speaker 4: the business development staff, the media content arm of the everybody.

1428
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 4: We're all on the same quest and we've gone over

1429
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 4: it a million times in this studio. Brownie and I

1430
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 4: sitting here, not just on the show where you can

1431
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 4: listen to us talk about it, but in our off hours,

1432
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 4: and we're sitting back in the office getting ready to

1433
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 4: come on this show. I mean, this is all about

1434
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 4: winning games. And we talk about how much effort they

1435
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 4: have put into And I used to say this during

1436
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 4: the drought. During the drought, brown I say, you know,

1437
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 4: you come into that training camp and it's like, man,

1438
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 4: they have done everything right and for all the right reasons.

1439
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 4: And they're in the middle of the seventeen year playoff drought.

1440
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 4: You don't get any guarantees just because you get an

1441
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 4: all time generational talented quarterback guarantees you nothing. Ask the

1442
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 4: San Diego Chargers how it was with Dan Fouts or

1443
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers or the Newing or the the New Orleans

1444
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 4: Saints and Archie Manning or Philip Rivers and the San

1445
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 4: Diego Chargers or the Miami Dolphins and Dan Marino, and

1446
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 4: he got them to one early and it looked like, wow,

1447
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 4: you know, how many is he gonna go to? Right one?

1448
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 3: All of the head coach.

1449
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 4: All of the great times. John Elway went to three

1450
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 4: Super Bowls and got beat up in all three super Bowls.

1451
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 4: And it was in year I think fifteen and sixteen

1452
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 4: when he finally got to the Super Bowl and won

1453
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 4: it twice in a row. You get there are no

1454
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 4: guarantees at all about how this is gonna go for

1455
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 4: Josh and Bill's Mafia and McDermott and Bean none of it.

1456
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 4: And there's no guarantees how it's gonna go from here

1457
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 4: on out for Andy Reid and Mahomes, Sean McVay and

1458
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 4: Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Dan Campbell, all of it. You

1459
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 4: have no guarantees none. So my advice is this, love

1460
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 4: on your guys while you got them, because pretty soon

1461
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 4: they're gonna be old, grizzled out, dried up, used up

1462
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 4: guys like me sitting in a radio station, right So,

1463
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 4: just you know, love of on him while you can

1464
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 4: enjoy them. Why you can Even if even if the

1465
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 4: bills do go and all our hopes and dreams come

1466
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 4: true and they do all this stuff, it's still gonna end,

1467
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 4: and it's gonna end all too soon. So I'm not

1468
01:17:54,920 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 4: a subscriber that they're wasting any of this, because man,

1469
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 4: I would I would go through these last six or

1470
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 4: seven years all over again. Man, what a hoot. It's

1471
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 4: been a black I cannot wait to see these guys

1472
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 4: play every single week. And uh, I think that's the

1473
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 4: biggest gift Josh has been to us so far. Right,

1474
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm don't worry, don't think about don't start

1475
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 4: looking down the dark road into the into the abyss.

1476
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 4: You're you're gonna you're gonna ruin what you got right

1477
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 4: here and now you gotta you're gonna get this team

1478
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 4: is gonna get another swing out of this year. Let's see,

1479
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 4: maybe this is the one when all of us have

1480
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 4: lost all our hope and they're just gonna be a

1481
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: wasted playoff run. And who knows.

1482
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: Back to the phones, into Marnie and Lancaster. What's up, Marnie.

1483
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 12: Oh it's Maureen.

1484
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 3: Oh Maureen, Sorry Maureen reading the name.

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Speaker 18: That's okay, See if I agree with so much of

1486
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 18: what you just said. And I looking at Matthew Stafford

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 18: this past week and in the game. You know, he's

1488
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 18: what about eight years older than Josh. Yeah, you have

1489
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 18: to watch for injuries, but he's almost never been better.

1490
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 18: He's so confident when he's throwing in the pocket out

1491
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 18: of time he's and he still has his arm. And

1492
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 18: I think I think number one athletes take better care

1493
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 18: of themselves just because there's so much more around them.

1494
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 18: But the woman that was talking about maybe we should

1495
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 18: trade him, I mean, are you crazy you wait so

1496
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 18: long for a player like this to come along. I

1497
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 18: think the league this year, to me, has been so

1498
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 18: up and down. It's been such an unusual year. The

1499
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 18: teams that were supposed to be or you assumed we're

1500
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 18: going to be good have have suffered and have really

1501
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 18: had difficulty. The teams that aren't doing or haven't done great,

1502
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 18: like Chicago now they're like eight and three there. It

1503
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 18: just feels like a different vibe throughout the league, not

1504
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 18: just with the Bills, not just with the Bills this year.

1505
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 18: I think one of the things that also I would

1506
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 18: like to see ended are the Thursday night games. I

1507
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,839
Speaker 18: just think that they have such a it doesn't benefit

1508
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 18: the players. It doesn't benefit the players, it puts people

1509
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 18: at risk for injuries because there really isn't enough recovery

1510
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 18: time in there. And the other thing, I'd like to

1511
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 18: see fewer games overseas. I feel like I've lost track

1512
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 18: of teams playing because it's like, oh, they played this morning.

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01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 18: I didn't know that. I just I don't know. I

1514
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 18: just think the league needs to kind of maybe pull

1515
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 18: things in a little bit and maybe maybe instead of

1516
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 18: having all these overseas trips, hire a few extra linemen

1517
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 18: or refs that you know, can fill in if there's

1518
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 18: an injury in a game. I don't know, it just

1519
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 18: it just seems like it's been kind of helter skelter

1520
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 18: all over the place. But I agree, I don't I

1521
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 18: think there is any reason that you'd throw everything out.

1522
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 18: These people that call for the new coach and a

1523
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 18: new GM. All this stuff is it takes so long

1524
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 18: to build a quality product, especially the way the league is,

1525
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 18: the way teams have to navigate, the salary cap, all

1526
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 18: that kind of stuff. So just my thoughts, yep.

1527
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: And good thoughts of that.

1528
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 2: Maureen, Thanks for the call. You heard coach say it

1529
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 2: after the game. I mean, he's facing media questions about,

1530
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, is this team going downhill? What's wrong with

1531
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: the performances on the road. Why can't you win a

1532
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: road game? And he said, look, every season has peaks

1533
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: and valleys, and all we can do is grind right now,

1534
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: and we're going to grind this out one at a time,

1535
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: because that's what you do in this league. It's not

1536
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 2: always going to look pretty. Sometimes it's going to look

1537
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 2: really ugly. This gotta go back to work and grind

1538
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 2: again on the next one. And I haven't been around

1539
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 2: a coach that grinds the way this guy does.

1540
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's the thing. I've said it a lot too.

1541
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 4: The fans. In a lot of ways, it's worse for

1542
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: the fans than it is the players and the coaches. Certainly,

1543
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 4: they're the ones who suffer the consequences physically, you know,

1544
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 4: of a loss of a bad performance, and they have

1545
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 4: to put up with the insults and the slings and

1546
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 4: arrows and I want your job, and I want you gone,

1547
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 4: and I want you fired and all of that. It's

1548
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 4: harder for the fans because of this. The fans stew

1549
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 4: over the losses a long time because that's all they

1550
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 4: have to think about. They don't have anything else to

1551
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 4: do as far as the team goes. For the coaches

1552
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 4: and players, it's much much better because, as Brownie just alluded,

1553
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 4: they can't stew over what happened in Houston. They can't

1554
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 4: let it fester because they've got to work towards Pittsburgh.

1555
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 4: It's better for them. They're working towards Pittsburgh. That Houston's done,

1556
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 4: you can't think about it. You learned what you learned,

1557
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 4: You rehash the film. You specifically know what you should

1558
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: have done better and different, and the mistakes that were made,

1559
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 4: you've talked about them, hashed them out, let's go, let's

1560
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 4: fix them and go forward. And they're working towards something else,

1561
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: So they're not in that this mental space where Bills

1562
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 4: fans are, where they got to live with what you know,

1563
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 4: with eight sacks and Josh not being able to you know,

1564
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 4: and gave Davis not getting his toe tapped in at

1565
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 4: that last throw and everything else that we hash and rehash.

1566
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 4: They're gone from that, so it's easier for them. But fans, man,

1567
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 4: that's all we do. So it's a tough space. To

1568
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 4: be when you got a team like Buffalo with high expectations,

1569
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 4: a rough schedule, and then you hit a rough patch

1570
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 4: in that schedule. Man, oh man, it's a dark day.

1571
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 4: But never forget. You know, the team sees what we see,

1572
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 4: and they see it more clearly than we do, and

1573
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 4: they work hard to fix it. So take some heart

1574
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: in that and know that that's absolutely, positively, one hundred

1575
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 4: percent true. They see what's wrong more clearly than we do,

1576
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 4: and they have the power and the ability and the

1577
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 4: desire to fix it.

1578
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 3: Let's go to Scott and Williamsville here before the break.

1579
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 19: What's up, Scott, Hey, thank you for taking my call.

1580
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 19: I don't know about that, Steve. I watched the game

1581
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 19: and it seems like the same airs. And that's why

1582
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 19: twenty to twenty five percent of all coaches are gone

1583
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 19: at the end of the year because they they don't

1584
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 19: get it done. And to that lady's point, those are

1585
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 19: great calls. I think Ben Johnson makes a difference. I

1586
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 19: think Vrabel makes a difference. So you know, looking at

1587
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 19: the game, you had the MVP, you had one hundred

1588
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 19: yard rusher, you had one hundred yard receiver. Get a

1589
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 19: bonus touchdown from a kickoff return and you lose the

1590
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 19: Davis Mills I mean, Chris, you saw, was that guy lost?

1591
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 4: Or what I mean?

1592
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 2: That was he started four of thirteen passing he was

1593
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 2: and there were plays for them to make and he

1594
01:24:59,400 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: was just missing.

1595
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 3: I'll agree with that. Right then he heated up though

1596
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 3: third quarter he goes seven of eight.

1597
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 19: Well, and there's another thing. You know, you get to

1598
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 19: head coach by offensive or defensive coordinator. I mean, people

1599
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 19: can talk about Babbage and they you know, I'm not

1600
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 19: saying they shouldn't, but hey, Sean, you were a defensive coordinator.

1601
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 19: You can't I mean, how are you not stepping up there?

1602
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 19: But the point is that when you look at everything

1603
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 19: in total, and it's a shame. I agree with the

1604
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 19: lady two calls ago. This is a shame because you

1605
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 19: can't miss on first, second, and third. You can't miss

1606
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 19: Boogie Bashman, Cody Ford and Devin Singletary and Zach Moss.

1607
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 19: And then follow that up with kyer Elam and Coleman.

1608
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 19: You had two second rounders, right, you had Landon Jackson

1609
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 19: a healthy scratch Sanders. I mean, that's our issue. And

1610
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 19: then you come with and think, well we lost our

1611
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 19: two starting receivers, but I think Belde, Scantling and Cooper

1612
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 19: and Samuel and Claypool there, you know, they're the you

1613
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 19: know what are we doing? And then it's just unbelievable

1614
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 19: signings the collection and I agree with that lady. I

1615
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 19: feel terrible for Josh because this it is just depressing.

1616
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 19: And you know, first four wins, first four weeks, who

1617
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 19: have we beat? And then our so called signature wins.

1618
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 19: I mean Tampa Bay. I think they've lost three in

1619
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 19: a row. They look horrible and Colts easily could have won,

1620
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 19: but you know, certainly not the same Chiefs game. But

1621
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 19: I think it's depressing the collection. And you guys talk

1622
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 19: about player development, well I just rattled off a whole

1623
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 19: bunch of first, second, and third rounders there and you

1624
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 19: can't miss on that. So we are where we are.

1625
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 19: But thank you for the call.

1626
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you bet, Scot.

1627
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to argue with the non producers,

1628
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: and there are non producers on this roster. You're not

1629
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: your Your production is your production, and you're either delivering

1630
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: or you're not. There's no other way to You can't

1631
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 2: sugarcoat that.

1632
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 4: You can't sugar coat having us, you know, the first

1633
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 4: pick of the second round healthy scratch twice in a

1634
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 4: row because of what's been purported as maturity issues. And

1635
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 4: I see all of that, and that's that's I don't know,

1636
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 4: it's kind of two sides of the same story. You

1637
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 4: don't for for instance. And I'm not saying this is all.

1638
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: This is cut and dried, but I'll just I'll just

1639
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 4: make it cut and dried to make a point. Say

1640
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: James Xavier Worthy, the guy that everybody says we should

1641
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 4: have drafted over Keon. You know, you don't draft the

1642
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 4: savior Worthy because he races cars on a high granite

1643
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 4: crowded or sheet rice. Okay, so sheet rice, he ras

1644
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 4: his cars on the highway, gets to spend because he's

1645
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 4: he's kind of that kind of guy. You don't draft

1646
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 4: him for that. Well, then you draft this other guy.

1647
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: Now he he's got different issues. It's it's a it's

1648
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 4: an absolute crap.

1649
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 6: Shoot.

1650
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 4: You're right, and the Bills would love to hit better

1651
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 4: on higher draft picks. Kyer Elam's out of football right now.

1652
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 4: And that is that's an If you'd have said something

1653
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 4: that like that to somebody five years ago, they'd have

1654
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 4: been you're crazy.

1655
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: But at least Brandon Bean got something in return and

1656
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 3: traded it.

1657
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 4: But he got an asset, but he is he's out

1658
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 4: of football. Same thing with some some of the other

1659
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 4: guys you mentioned. You're right, and I know this too.

1660
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 4: I mean there are other there are other gm and

1661
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 4: you can go down the list and you can. We've

1662
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 4: done it before where you go other other team's draft picks,

1663
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 4: and it's similar to the Bills. But man, oh man,

1664
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: for sitting here looking at the picks that the Bills

1665
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 4: have had. Certainly they've hit on some later round picks,

1666
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 4: but man, their top round picks. Yeah, it's been disappointing.

1667
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 4: And it hasn't all been because they reached for these guys.

1668
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 4: It's turned out as it was. The guys.

1669
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls

1670
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,360
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1676
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Speaker 2: Right back to the phones that we go and to

1677
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Ron in Buffalo, what's up?

1678
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 3: Ron?

1679
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1680
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 20: How you doing?

1681
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 21: I was just wondering, you know why we got away

1682
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 21: from the quick shrows like to the flat. We were

1683
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 21: killing them on the flats, and then as far as

1684
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 21: like the sacks and holding to the ball and throwing

1685
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 21: it away. I notice say we're throwing Uh, they're calling

1686
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 21: uh like intentional grounding real quick, you know what I mean?

1687
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 21: And Uh, I'm just I'm just curious about that.

1688
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,839
Speaker 2: Okay, So you believe that intentional grounding is getting ruled Quicker,

1689
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's always the case. There are times

1690
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: where it's well after the play they huddle up and

1691
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 2: discuss it and then drop the flag. So Quicker, I

1692
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 2: don't know if I would completely agree with certainly not

1693
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 2: in all instances. If you want to argue they're calling

1694
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 2: more intentional grounding, I'll listen to that, because it does

1695
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 2: seem like that has seen enup ticking number of calls.

1696
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Because I would say we've seen it probably in four

1697
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: to five if Buffalo's eleven games alone this season, whether

1698
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 2: it's against the Bills or the opponent, and I've seen

1699
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: in other games that I've just been sitting on the

1700
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: couch watching as well as for throws to the flat. Yeah,

1701
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 2: I mean they've had some success doing that.

1702
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I've been a.

1703
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Proponent of throwing to the backs more to give you

1704
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 2: more easy button throws per se. It seems like teams

1705
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 2: have gotten wise to that quickly, particularly the tunnel screen

1706
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 2: to Shakir that's been thwarted in recent weeks. So you've

1707
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: got to come up with a variation of that or

1708
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 2: a different play off of that. They did that successfully

1709
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 2: on the wheel route to James Cook against the Bucks.

1710
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,879
Speaker 2: They fake it to the flat for the screen to Shakir,

1711
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,719
Speaker 2: come back to the other side of the field, Cooks

1712
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 2: wide open for a touchdown. So they've worked off it

1713
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: to some degree. I think they've got to come up

1714
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 2: with more variations here and maybe off a mini buy.

1715
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: They have the time to do that and develop some

1716
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: of those plays.

1717
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know this too. Anytime your offense goes

1718
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 4: stagnant the way that you would think the Bills have

1719
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 4: and Bills fans feel like it has, it comes down

1720
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 4: to being predictable, right. That's the last thing you want

1721
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 4: to be is predictable. So I think if it does

1722
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 4: start to be predictable, it's for one of a couple

1723
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 4: of reasons. One is either the offensive coaching staff feels

1724
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 4: like they're limited because of personnel, like they can't do

1725
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 4: certain things and they aren't going to try because they

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01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 4: stink at it, or they don't trust their players because

1727
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 4: of it, or Josh doesn't trust somebody, or maybe their

1728
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 4: offensive line can't hold up or whatever, you take your pick.

1729
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 4: Or the other thing is they get predictable because they

1730
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 4: can do it no matter what, and they believe they

1731
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 4: they're good enough at certain things in their offense, they're

1732
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 4: gonna run it no matter what you do. You don't

1733
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 4: want to be predictable. And those are some of the

1734
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 4: reasons why you might be believe me. If they are

1735
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 4: doing certain things like one hundred percent tendencies, they know

1736
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 4: about it. They know about it. So if they're not

1737
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 4: doing if they're if they stop doing the flat routes,

1738
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 4: it's for a reason, if they're gonna run more of it,

1739
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 4: if they're doing too much of this other thing or

1740
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 4: whatever whatever. They don't want to be predictable unless they

1741
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 4: want to be predictable, right, So that's one thing you

1742
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 4: got to know about. They self scout and they look

1743
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 4: at themselves. They do the analytics, they do the percentages,

1744
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 4: and when we're in, when we're in this personnel, in

1745
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 4: this formation, how much do we do this and that

1746
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: and the other. They know all of that stuff. That's

1747
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 4: one of the things you gotta know. And if you

1748
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 4: start seeing them be predictable, it's for one of those

1749
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 4: two reasons, because they're limited by their personnel, or they

1750
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 4: think they're so good at it they don't care.

1751
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break here.

1752
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 2: Our number three gonna begin with a conversation about the

1753
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 2: AFC East. Going to join or be joined by Boston

1754
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,799
Speaker 2: Sports Journal NFL writer Mike g Already, formerly of NFL Network.

1755
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: We'll check in with him on the Patriots, as well

1756
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: as some other things going around the AFC East and

1757
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 2: the AFC Conference race. Next here on One Bill's Live

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01:33:52,600 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: presented by Coli of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Calida Health.

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01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: All Right, third hour on Buffalo Football Monday. Chris Brown,

1761
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 2: Steve Jasker with you and happy to welcome in. NFL

1762
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 2: writer for the Boston Sports Journal and also co host

1763
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 2: of the All thirty two NFL podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's Mike.

1765
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 2: You're already joining us and Mike want to start on

1766
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 2: the macro level with you, namely the AFC Conference Raise,

1767
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 2: because if you take out New England and Denver, you

1768
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 2: essentially have ten teams within two games of one another

1769
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 2: in the lost column with six to play. I mean,

1770
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: it's pretty wacky how tightly packed, like almost a Baker's

1771
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 2: dozen of teams are. This is crazy with six games

1772
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 2: to play. And I realize schedule strength may create some

1773
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 2: measure of separation here and some of these teams might

1774
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 2: cannibalize each other as well. Know in Division games are

1775
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 2: at the end, But I don't know that we've seen

1776
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 2: this many teams legitimately still in it and as tightly

1777
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: packed as we've seen it here on the AFC side

1778
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 2: of things.

1779
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Speaker 3: Can you recall or no?

1780
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Speaker 22: I cannot recall, Chris. And it's funny as you look

1781
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 22: at the different teams that are on the leader board there,

1782
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 22: you're like, did anybody think that this was gonna be

1783
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 22: the case as we headed down in late November. I mean,

1784
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 22: there are Denver I think a lot of people like,

1785
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 22: but I don't think anyone thought they'd be nine and two.

1786
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 22: I mean, I told you, and I'm sure a lot

1787
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 22: of people felt the Patriots were gonna be an eight

1788
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 22: win team this year, but they've already got ten and

1789
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 22: there's still five more regular season games to go. So

1790
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 22: I think what it does tell you is that this

1791
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 22: is pretty wide open in the AFC. And you could

1792
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 22: tell me one of seven or eight of those teams

1793
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 22: could emerge from this group and be the one that's

1794
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 22: in the AFC Championship Game or being the one that's

1795
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 22: playing for the Super Bowl title two weeks after that,

1796
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 22: and I wouldn't be surprised.

1797
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 4: And you look at it, the one surprising team that has,

1798
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 4: you know, kind of got brought back to Earth is

1799
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 4: in Indianapolis in Kansas City. They went to overtime in

1800
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 4: Kansas City, but Indianapolis kind of came out of nowhere

1801
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 4: with the steadying influence of Daniel Jones. I mean, he's

1802
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: been good enough right up until just yesterday when they

1803
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 4: lost in overtime. But Indianapolis seems to have made a splash.

1804
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 4: Now that really do you think they're I guess for real.

1805
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 22: So I really like the roster, and I think Steichen's

1806
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 22: done a nice job, but it's still to me comes

1807
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 22: down to the quarterback and as you said, playing well

1808
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 22: enough or good enough, and it feels like maybe in

1809
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 22: recent weeks that's not the case anymore, and that perhaps

1810
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 22: and you know from I didn't get to see the

1811
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 22: full game yesterday, but perhaps and just what I saw

1812
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 22: yesterday and then reading some of what was written about

1813
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 22: the game afterwards by the Colts beat writers, is that

1814
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 22: maybe you're starting to get that sense that Steichen doesn't

1815
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 22: necessarily trust Jones in some of these big spots now

1816
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 22: and it's sort of dictating how he calls plays, whereas

1817
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 22: before first seven eight weeks, uh, blitz, my guy's gonna

1818
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 22: stand there, he's gonna rip, and he's gonna throw it

1819
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 22: to the right guy. We'd get him outside the pocket.

1820
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 22: We can know all these different things, and now it

1821
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 22: feels like, ooh, let's play a conservative because we don't

1822
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 22: like where the quarterback is at. And if that's how

1823
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 22: it's gonna be going forward, Steve, I would imagine that

1824
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 22: the Colts will continue to sort of regress to the mean,

1825
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 22: if you will.

1826
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 2: And then you know AFC East wise, obviously the Patriots

1827
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 2: have all but won it. I mean, there's a very

1828
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 2: low percentage for the Bills. They would have to run

1829
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: the table. Patriots have to fall flat on their face

1830
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 2: to blow the division at this point, even if the

1831
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 2: Bills somehow beat them in Week fifteen. How do you

1832
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 2: feel the Patriots are handling it internally, because you know

1833
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 2: there are very few players on that roster from the

1834
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 2: previous dynasty. I know they have veteran leaders in the

1835
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 2: locker room, but how are they kind of handling this

1836
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,480
Speaker 2: newfound success?

1837
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 22: Chris, It's a great point. I thought they'd been doing

1838
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 22: a very good job with it for the majority of

1839
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 22: this win streak. I think Vrabel and that coaching staff

1840
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 22: has them pointed in the right direction and has hit

1841
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 22: all the right buttons. This was the first week where

1842
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 22: you felt like they played down to their competition more

1843
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 22: than they should have and put themselves in a position

1844
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 22: where you know, they've been in some close games during

1845
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 22: this win streak where you were always like, yeah, but

1846
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 22: you just had that feeling like they're gonna win the

1847
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 22: football game, whether it be the game in Tampa, the

1848
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 22: game after the Bills game when they were in New

1849
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 22: Orleans that was a close game final score wise, but

1850
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 22: you're like, man, if they just have to flip the switch,

1851
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 22: they're gonna be able to do it and they're gonna

1852
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 22: come through. Yesterday was much more of a slog, and

1853
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 22: Vrabel talked about it after the game and then again

1854
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 22: today when we met with him a short time ago

1855
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 22: about put her on the coaching staff. First, he said,

1856
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 22: we have to do a better job of being able

1857
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 22: to move on from positive or negative plays and not

1858
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 22: just like sort of lingering in that. And I think

1859
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 22: his team sort of showed that a little bit yesterday,

1860
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 22: riding the highs and lows a little bit too much.

1861
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 22: And you know, there there's a ton of them over

1862
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 22: the course of a game, whether it's going well or not,

1863
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 22: and they got themselves in some spots yesterday where it

1864
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 22: took them a little while to dig out. Quite frankly,

1865
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,560
Speaker 22: they got got real lucky, I think with Joe Flacco's

1866
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 22: pick six, which was for someone who's been playing the

1867
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 22: game for that long, I don't know what he was thinking,

1868
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 22: and that sort of gave the Patriots a jolt of

1869
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 22: energy they needed and they never surrendered the lead after that,

1870
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 22: But it was it was a dogfight all game long,

1871
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 22: and I think they may have refocused them, I think

1872
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 22: going into the Monday night or against New York.

1873
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 4: What might be the Patriots they come in and you're right,

1874
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati game was it was in doubt. But I'm

1875
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 4: opposite of you. I thought, now the Patriots seem like

1876
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 4: they're the better team just because of Cincinnati's inability to

1877
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 4: get them off the field, and certainly Vrabel in that

1878
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 4: coaching staff is okay being uncomfortable in a tight game.

1879
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 4: They seem more at ease than anybody. Give us an

1880
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: idea of how that has translated into a couple of

1881
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 4: wins this year for them.

1882
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean, I think there's just such a dramatic

1883
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 22: shift and confidence from what this team was last year

1884
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 22: or even during the final couple of years of Belichick

1885
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 22: in terms of the belief and the coaching staff putting

1886
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 22: guys in the right place. You know, there have been

1887
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,560
Speaker 22: at various points this year, like just look at the

1888
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 22: wide receiver room, which again is no great shakes, probably

1889
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 22: middle of the road this year as opposed to being

1890
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 22: bottom third, bottom two or three in the last couple

1891
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 22: of years. Obviously, Stefan Diggs has had a big part

1892
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 22: in that, as is Mac Collins. But week in week out,

1893
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 22: it's a different guy, you know, Hunter Henry led them

1894
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 22: in receiving yesterday. The week before it was Mac Collins,

1895
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 22: the week before that it was Stephan You know what,

1896
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 22: every week it's somebody different, and you know, I thinks

1897
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 22: was barely involved yesterday. I did have a big third

1898
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,799
Speaker 22: down conversion, but only two catches I think for twenty yards.

1899
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 22: But they're able to sort of And this not just

1900
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 22: for the receiver room, but in general. They seem to

1901
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 22: have guys every week that, oh I didn't have him

1902
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 22: on my big ocard as being the guy who's gonna

1903
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 22: step up. Jack Gibbons a couple of weeks ago with

1904
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 22: ten or eleven tackles, a couple big plays and some

1905
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 22: screen passes where he just sniffed out big plays and

1906
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 22: third downs, Like that's not someone that you would say, oh, yeah,

1907
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 22: Jack Gibbons is gonna be key to getting a victory

1908
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 22: against the Jets. And then lo and behold, it's Jack Gibbons.

1909
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 22: And then this week it's you know whoever steps up

1910
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 22: And various guys have done that for them all season long.

1911
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 3: What is what is the test now?

1912
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: Knowing they're likely to be without the left side of

1913
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 2: their offensive line based on the injuries yesterday. I mean,

1914
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 2: I know the Giants just fired their defensive coordinators, so.

1915
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 3: Nice match up.

1916
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 2: But maybe he gets some unpredictable looks from a new

1917
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,759
Speaker 2: play caller with some guys that can rush the passer.

1918
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 22: Yeah, so you know we talked of Rabel. Doesn't sound

1919
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 22: like with Will Campbell, because that certainly looked like yesterday

1920
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 22: that might be a season ender. Doesn't sound that way.

1921
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 22: There's reports that it's an mcl sprain. He told us

1922
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 22: today doesn't look to be season ender, and that they'll

1923
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 22: have to make a decision. You know, I don't know

1924
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 22: in the next week or so if they're going to

1925
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 22: put him on IR or not, and with the hopes

1926
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 22: of either getting him back for late in the year

1927
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 22: or certainly for the postseason. Jared Wilson sounds like it

1928
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 22: might just be a weak thing, so that again puts

1929
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 22: him in a decent spot. I would say what happened

1930
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 22: yesterday Vederian Lowe, who's been there, left who was there

1931
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 22: left tackle last year, and it was much maligned around

1932
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 22: here and wasn't very good as none of them were

1933
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 22: played fairly well yesterday, and I think to me it

1934
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 22: sort of spoke to Rabel constantly preaching guys to be

1935
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 22: ready but also the way the offense is coordinated, with

1936
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 22: Josh McDaniels having a better idea and a better plan

1937
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 22: for Hey, if something happens and we have to put

1938
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 22: Vederian or they had Marcus Bryan, a rookie seventh rounder

1939
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 22: at right tackle for a series when Morgan Moses had

1940
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 22: to go to the locker room because he was and

1941
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 22: it was like, well, we're gonna shift protection this way,

1942
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 22: We're gonna we're gonna chip this way, whereas last year

1943
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 22: there were times where Vederian Lowe was left all by

1944
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 22: his loansome and Dematre Jacobs, who was their right tackle,

1945
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 22: Lloyd I don't even think he's in the league now,

1946
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 22: also left on his own, and you're like, you can't

1947
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 22: do that against some of the opponents that you're facing.

1948
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 22: Josh McDaniels won't allow that to happen. So it may

1949
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 22: not be as explosive as it's been. They may not

1950
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 22: be as productive as they've been, but I think they'll

1951
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 22: have enough of a plan that they could patchwork this

1952
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 22: thing for a few weeks.

1953
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 4: And if it is just a few weeks, I mean

1954
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 4: Vederian Lowe's capable of stepping in. He's not without reps.

1955
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 22: Correct, yoh, absolutely, and they've used him as their jumbo guy.

1956
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 22: So he had actually probably yesterday had eighteen snaps in

1957
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 22: eleven games, and he missed a couple early in the season,

1958
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,839
Speaker 22: is just coming back from injury, and then yesterday thirty snaps.

1959
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 22: And I went through the film today and look, I'm

1960
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 22: not I'm not an offensive line coach. I don't know

1961
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 22: what they're saying inside the building about him, but it

1962
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 22: looked pretty good. It was pretty representative, and to me,

1963
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 22: it was certainly better than I saw him at any

1964
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 22: point last year. So, you know, more experience, better group

1965
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 22: around him, better coaching should make a difference.

1966
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about this Steelers team that

1967
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 2: you know is suddenly out on the outside of the

1968
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 2: playoff picture looking in after their loss yesterday in Baltimore's win,

1969
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 2: they seem to have been very much an up and

1970
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 2: down team, which is kind of what the Bills have

1971
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 2: turned into over the last month and a half. Because

1972
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: this is a game that's on the road that carries

1973
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 2: tremendous significance for both the Bills in Pittsburgh in terms

1974
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:33,480
Speaker 2: of playoff positioning.

1975
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 22: Well, if you get Rogers, the one thing you know

1976
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 22: obviously didn't play this past week with the risk, but

1977
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:40,640
Speaker 22: it appears like he was close to plying, so it

1978
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 22: seems like you're going to get him. He wants the

1979
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:44,799
Speaker 22: ball out of his hands as quick as humanly possible.

1980
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 22: He did not push the ball against the Patriots at all.

1981
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 22: I think he had a twenty one yard touchdown pass

1982
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 22: where literally the ball was out of his hand in

1983
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 22: the second and a half. You know, throw to a spot,

1984
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 22: we got a quick release on the outside, his guy

1985
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 22: went and got it. He does not want to be hit,

1986
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 22: and I'm knocking him. I don't think anybody wants to

1987
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 22: be hit, but I think he's less likely at his

1988
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 22: age to want to stand in there and do it.

1989
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 22: So if you can disrupt some of the short stuff

1990
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 22: that he wants to do, some of the checkdowns and

1991
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 22: just quick releases, then I think that would go a

1992
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 22: long way to sort of helping the Bills defense sort

1993
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 22: of take them off their game in terms of what

1994
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,679
Speaker 22: they want to do passing wise. I know they've improved

1995
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 22: as a running football team. They weren't very good when

1996
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 22: the Patriots saw him them early in the season. I

1997
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 22: think they've gotten better at it. Gainwell is actually making

1998
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 22: somewhat of a difference for them in the run game,

1999
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 22: which again kind of surprises me because I just think

2000
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 22: of him as a guy. But that's a relatively young

2001
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 22: offensive line that started to come together. So that is

2002
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 22: obviously something that the Bills have struggled who with stopping

2003
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 22: their own run, And if I'm Pittsburgh and Arthur Smith,

2004
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 22: that's something I'm going to continue to challenge all the way.

2005
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 22: I think that defense has started to come around though,

2006
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 22: like I know, yesterday whatever, but like they're starting to

2007
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 22: get more production.

2008
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 4: TJ.

2009
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 22: Watt looked a little bit slow and flat early on,

2010
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 22: but between Watt herbig Hayward, that's a pretty good front

2011
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 22: that you're gonna have your hands full with.

2012
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've lost four out of their last and it

2013
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 4: seems as though certainly their offense hasn't been lighting it up,

2014
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:09,799
Speaker 4: but their defense isn't a typical right Pittsburgh Steeler defense.

2015
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 22: Yeah, I would agree completely, Like I think you come

2016
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 22: into it, and it was one of the things like

2017
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 22: they you know, they invested heavily and their two best

2018
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 22: players are old guys right and Hayward and Wat and

2019
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 22: what is like I said, still producing at a high level,

2020
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 22: but that's been more recent that he's come on. Hayward's

2021
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 22: not had the kind of year I think that we're

2022
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 22: used to, and this is what happens. You know, he

2023
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 22: invested in Ramsey, he's playing more safety now in the corner.

2024
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,799
Speaker 22: You know, I think he's probably seen his best football

2025
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 22: maybe two years ago, and now you're just he's living

2026
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 22: on reputation. Not that he's a bad player, but he's

2027
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 22: not the guy that you remember Darius Slay. So there's

2028
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 22: a whole group of sort of graybeards in there that,

2029
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 22: quite frankly, from week to week you don't know whether

2030
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 22: you're gonna get it from him or not. And I

2031
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 22: think that's sort of been reflective in how the Steelers

2032
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 22: have played defensively this year.

2033
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 2: And then, Mike, since we suffer from Bill's mind Iopia,

2034
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,759
Speaker 2: what's your ten thousand foot view on what the season

2035
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 2: has been for them? Now sitting here at seven and four.

2036
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 22: Yeah, see, you know, I watched them very closely. I

2037
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 22: don't miss a game, whether I have to watch it

2038
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 22: on a delay or whatever. I think I tweeted during

2039
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 22: the game against the Texans that, to me, this is

2040
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 22: not so much about scheme, although there's certainly some involvement

2041
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 22: with that, I think, especially offensively. Nate Tye brought it

2042
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 22: up about you know, they loving the mesh concept on

2043
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 22: third and four, third and five to the point where

2044
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 22: other teams are running it for them. That's a problem.

2045
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 22: Hopefully they self scouted this week and said we have

2046
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 22: to stop being so dependent on that and leaning on that.

2047
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,879
Speaker 22: But to me, it's still more of a personnel problem.

2048
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 22: Like I know the Patriots felt like when they played

2049
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 22: him that first time, like, you don't have any receivers

2050
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 22: that can separate from our corners. And the Patriots so

2051
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 22: good about the corners, right, that's they have a fair

2052
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 22: amount of money and draft capital invested in that. But

2053
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 22: they never felt like, oh, we have to worry about

2054
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 22: this guy getting over the top of us and being us.

2055
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 22: And I think it's sort of may have influenced how

2056
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 22: other teams have started to play started to play them

2057
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 22: after that, So that's part of it. And then obviously

2058
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 22: when you look at the interior of the defensive line,

2059
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 22: the inability to stop the run, this is not something new.

2060
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 22: They're not very big from the interior. They've dealt with

2061
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 22: injuries both at the defensive line, level, at the linebacker level,

2062
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 22: even at the safety level, and we know how Sean

2063
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 22: puts a lot of burden on those, the safeties in particular,

2064
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,759
Speaker 22: And I just think it's sort of shown at various

2065
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 22: points this year that they need they need an infusion

2066
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 22: of better, younger players that they you know, you can't

2067
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 22: do that now it's November twenty fourth. You have to

2068
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 22: figure out how to wait to make it work. But

2069
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 22: I don't think anyone could have told me or you,

2070
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 22: or Steve or Sean McDermott that Jordan Poyer would be

2071
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 22: a starting safety here late in twenty twenty five.

2072
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 6: I don't.

2073
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 22: I know that wasn't the plan, But that's where they're

2074
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 22: at now, and now you've got to figure out how

2075
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,679
Speaker 22: to best manage the personnel issues.

2076
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say that's pretty assessment. Thanks for the time, Mike.

2077
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 2: As always, we'll catch you up there in New England

2078
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks.

2079
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 4: Take care, appreciate you guys, Take care all right.

2080
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 2: That's Mike Gard NFL writer for Boston Sports Journal, also

2081
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 2: host of the All NFL thirty two podcast.

2082
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's they're short on manpower on defense.

2083
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other way to put it, and

2084
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 2: all the injuries have taken their toll, and I think

2085
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 2: some of their play calling is limited because of the

2086
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 2: lack of speed and athleticism that they have on that

2087
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 2: side of the ball due to the shorthanded nature of

2088
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 2: their personnel due to injury, mainly more than anything else.

2089
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 2: So he probably nailed it, even offensively to a certain extent.

2090
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 4: So, right, you go back and look at the first

2091
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 4: time the Bills played them, and that's the one that

2092
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 4: kind of got away, because the Bills turned it over

2093
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 4: three times, right, three times, and the including ones insieither

2094
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 4: didn't turn it over at all. He minus three in

2095
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 4: the turnovers, and he was in the walk offs. It's

2096
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 4: pretty rough, but you know, Kincaid had six targets six receptions,

2097
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 4: Khalil had nine targets, six receptions, Palmer two for two,

2098
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 4: Samuel two for two, Coleman seven targets for four receptions,

2099
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 4: Knox two for two. So you had a lot of

2100
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 4: a high percentage. You know, Josh was twenty two to

2101
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 4: thirty one.

2102
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,759
Speaker 3: So they made plays.

2103
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 4: They made plays, turned it over. He could turn it over.

2104
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 4: He turned it over. You can't do that. They lost

2105
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 4: a couple of fumbles and uh lost an interception in

2106
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 4: that game.

2107
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones at eight oh three

2108
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 2: zero five point fifty one, eight of eighty five point

2109
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty and we go to Scott out

2110
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 2: in Illinois. What's up, Scott, Hey?

2111
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:43,160
Speaker 23: How are you guys?

2112
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 4: Good?

2113
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 7: Hey?

2114
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 23: I just kind of wanted to do a quick shutout

2115
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 23: in cong regulations. I was lucky enough to be out

2116
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 23: and larm me last weekend to see Josh's well, I mean,

2117
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 23: Jersey retirement and I was just an outstanding special day.

2118
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 23: And I think outside looking it was a great reset

2119
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 23: weekend for Josh. Had his wife there and his parents there,

2120
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 23: and it was just just really special. So if you

2121
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 23: get a chance to go out and look at it,

2122
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 23: there's a bunch of stuff out there. But it was,

2123
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 23: as they said, really special. I want to congratulate him

2124
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 23: for that.

2125
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a nice weekend.

2126
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if some people saw the address he

2127
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 2: made to the Wyoming football players, but that would have

2128
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 2: given you goosebumps if you're a competitor, because he was

2129
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 2: telling them how much he loves football, and he's like,

2130
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 2: even how I feel right now?

2131
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 3: Beat up and soar? He's like I love this. Yeah,

2132
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 3: I love this.

2133
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 2: So it was kind of encouraging to hear his mindset

2134
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 2: after a game where he was as bruised and battered

2135
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 2: as we have ever.

2136
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 3: Seen him in a game.

2137
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 2: So I was buoyed by that a bit, and I

2138
01:51:55,120 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 2: imagine his teammates will be as well. So go pokes, right, folks,

2139
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,919
Speaker 2: there you go. Let's go to Ron in Virginia.

2140
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 3: What's up Ron?

2141
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 20: Hey, guys, thank Chrits and Steve. Thanks for taking my call.

2142
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 20: So I have a couple of things real quick, if

2143
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 20: you don't mind.

2144
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 9: One.

2145
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 20: I think I heard Chris collins Worth talking about how

2146
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 20: Sean McVay used to talk to Jared golf like tell

2147
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 20: him to go up to the line real quick and

2148
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 20: then talk to him while he's at the line to

2149
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Speaker 20: see what he sees. I don't know that would help

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01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 20: Josh if Brady could do that. The other thing is

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01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 20: a lot of these callers that call in he to

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01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:37,679
Speaker 20: calm down. We're in a good position if the big

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01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 20: If the Patriots still have the Ravens, that's a loss.

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01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 20: They play us, hopefully that's a loss, and I think

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01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 20: they play another five over five hundred teams, So if

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01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 20: they can lose those games, we overcome them if my

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01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 20: map is right, correct them that if I'm wrong. And

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Speaker 20: the other thing is, I think these people that up

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01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 20: about we need other players and other athletes. This is

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01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 20: just my assumption. I don't know if I'm wrong, But

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01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:10,839
Speaker 20: you know, Brandon being tried as hard as to get waddle,

2162
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 20: and there's a narrative out there going there he didn't try.

2163
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 20: It's not that he didn't try, it just they didn't

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01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 20: want to trade him, like you said to the competitor.

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01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 20: And I think people want a magic to happen. And

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01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 20: it's like, you know, first Brandon Bean is under the

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01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 20: salary cap. We can't really, I hate to say it,

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01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 20: we can't afford some of these players. It's not that

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01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 20: we can't get them, it's just we can't afford them.

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Speaker 20: And then also, you know, I think we're gonna be okay.

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01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 20: I really do that. Of course, the game against Houston

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01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 20: was a little bit embarrassing, but also I just think

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01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 20: the Bills are gonna run the table. Go scared of

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Speaker 20: that Eagles in Cleveland game. But other than that, I

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Speaker 20: think we'll be okay. Thanks guys, appreciate you. I'll listening

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Speaker 20: to what you have had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you're on and you're you know, one

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01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 4: the more optimistic callers we've had today, no question. And certainly,

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01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,719
Speaker 4: mathematically the Bills can catch the Patriots, but doesn't feel

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01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 4: like it, right that. I mean that, I think that's

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01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 4: where people are at it. Certainly, if the Patriots lose

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01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,479
Speaker 4: the games you're talking about and the Bills went out,

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01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 4: yeah they can win, they can win the division, but

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01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 4: it certainly doesn't feel like the Patriots are gonna stumble.

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01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 4: They're playing good so.

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01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 3: And their schedule is pretty soft.

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01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 2: Outside of the Bills and Ravens games, They've got the

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01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Dolphins and the Jets and the Giants. I mean, those

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01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: are the five games after, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, so you can say what you want. It just

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01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like that's gonna happen. So, but other than that,

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01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,839
Speaker 4: you're right, you're accurate, and yes, it's it's been widely

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01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 4: reported that, yeah, Brandon was doing a lot of stuff

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01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 4: to try and you know, make a trade at the deadline,

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01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 4: and teams weren't doing business.

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Speaker 3: With them even when he gave the highest offer.

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Speaker 4: He gave the most lucrative offer to some of the

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Speaker 4: other teams, and they didn't want it, they wouldn't do

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01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 4: it because it was the Bills. So that's what you're

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01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 4: up against a little bit as well. So yeah, that

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01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 4: they were a little bit sabotaged by their own success

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01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 4: and plus the players that were out there and the

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01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 4: team's not willing to deal with them. But nevertheless, you

2204
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 4: are what you are and you got to keep moving forward.

2205
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 4: And that's what the Bills are going to try and

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Speaker 4: do this week.

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01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 2: To Joseph in Amherst, what's up, Joseph? Hold on, what's up, Joseph?

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01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 9: Have boys? Let me cut right to the chase. Hope

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01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 9: is not a plan, and wishing is certainly not a strategy.

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Speaker 9: I think that both the Bills and the Chiefs will

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Speaker 9: make the playoffs. And here is why. Number one. Both

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Speaker 9: have exceptional front offices. Number two. Both have exceptional head coaches.

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01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 9: Number three. Both have exceptional quarterbacks and supporting cast. Number four.

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Speaker 9: Both have exceptional fan bases. Number five. Both will not

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Speaker 9: listen to naysayers, talking heads, or Donnie Dowters, And perhaps

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01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 9: most importantly and last, both have incursed pride and our

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01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 9: battle tested any questions for me, boys.

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Speaker 3: No, I think we're good. I really like the Donnie doubters.

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Speaker 2: That might be my favorite part of your phone call, Joseph.

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01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 2: You're right, they don't listen to the nay sayers.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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Speaker 3: They don't waste their time with that.

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Speaker 2: I think the best point you made out of all

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Speaker 2: of those is that they're battle tested and that does

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01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 2: count for something. You saw what Indianapolis did yesterday. They

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01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: shrunk and cowered in the corner and blew an eleven

2227
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 2: point lead and lost in overtime because they're not battle tested.

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01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 2: They haven't been there, and they don't know what it's

2229
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 2: like to play the Chiefs and arrow hit in the

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01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 2: regular season, let alone the playoffs. So being battle tested

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01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:56,360
Speaker 2: does count for something.

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Speaker 3: So I like that point.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, and there's a lot of it, certainly, And

2235
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 4: your beliefs aren't all I mean, not all Bills fans

2236
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 4: agree with all your beliefs, but you're entitled to them,

2237
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 4: and it's good on you. You're You're right, there is a

2238
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 4: lot to seven and four is nothing. It's not four

2239
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 4: and seven. And there's no question this has been a

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Speaker 4: rough patch of the season for the team and for

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01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 4: all the reasons we've been talking about here, But you know,

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01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 4: we still got to We're just still gonna play no

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01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 4: matter what we do. They're gonna play the rest of

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01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 4: these games and see how it rolls out. And I

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01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 4: kind of agree with you. I think the Bills are

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01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 4: gonna be in the playoff mix. I just believe it.

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01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 4: And the Chiefs I kind of believe it too, until

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01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 4: somebody drives a stake through their heart. Right, We've seen

2249
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:53,720
Speaker 4: that movie too many times.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us. Here more of your phone calls

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Speaker 2: when we get back. What did week twelve tell us

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01:57:58,480 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 2: about the playoff picture in the AFC?

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01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 3: Phone calls?

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01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 2: Next here on one Bills Live on a Buffalo Football Monday,

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Speaker 2: and a crack open the tweetsheet here for the first

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Speaker 2: time in the show brought to you a Corgan Moving Systems,

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Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. What

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01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 2: did week twelve tell us about the playoff picture.

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01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 3: In the AFC?

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01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 2: Stevie says, last game ever in the stadium currently known

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01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 2: as high Mark may be a win and get in

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01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 2: versus the Jets could very well be a win that

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01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 2: they need. It's gonna be an AFC conference game. Who knows,

2264
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 2: Like we were talking about, if somehow, some way the

2265
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 2: Bills run down the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: They cannot be tied with them.

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Speaker 2: Unless the Patriots lose their last three division games. They

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01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 2: lose to the Bills, they lose to the Dolphin, and

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01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 2: they lose to the Jets, their division record will be

2270
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 2: three and three. The Bills the best they can do

2271
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 2: in the division is four and two, and they would

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01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 2: have to be if they were tied, because they would

2273
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:15,160
Speaker 2: split the series. Then it goes to division record. They

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01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 2: would have to have a superior division record. I suppose

2275
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:18,960
Speaker 2: they could both be three and three and then it

2276
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: goes to the next tiebreaker, but you're gonna need a

2277
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 2: lot to happen there. But yeah, as far as getting

2278
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 2: into the playoffs, yeah, they might need that one. They

2279
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 2: might very well need that one. I wouldn't be surprised

2280
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 2: at all, which would be a twist and something different

2281
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:36,320
Speaker 2: in the last week of the season. I mean, they

2282
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 2: had a throwaway game up in New England last year

2283
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:41,560
Speaker 2: where all their backups were playing. That's probably not gonna

2284
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 2: be the case this year. They're gonna need every one

2285
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 2: of them. Jason says pros The AFC lacks any truly

2286
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 2: dominant teams and appears to be wide open small gap

2287
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 2: from one seed to the ten seed. The cons the

2288
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 2: Bills need to establish something they haven't been able to

2289
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 2: do yet.

2290
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 3: This season, consistency.

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01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,320
Speaker 2: They'll need at least five to six more wins to

2292
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 2: guarantee themselves a spot. He's bang on with that one,

2293
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 2: because consistency has been hard to come by outside of

2294
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 2: winning the first four games, the Bills having done better

2295
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 2: than back to back wins in Week eight and nine

2296
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 2: with Carolina and the Panthers, or sorry, Carolina and Kansas City.

2297
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 2: I say one four lost two one two lost one

2298
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 2: one to one lost one yep. So they've traded wins

2299
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 2: and losses each of the last four weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the opposite of consistency.

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02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 4: And now they're on the road where they have not

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02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 4: played well.

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Speaker 2: Where they are two and three on the season, So

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Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that sentiment at all. Ken says

2305
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 2: the AFC playoffs will swing to the teams that adapt

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02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,920
Speaker 2: and adjust most effectively. No team is playing consistently at

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02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 2: their best right now, so who rises and who falls?

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02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Steve talks about this all the time.

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02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:06,480
Speaker 2: It's hard to play lights out, air tight football. For

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02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 2: seventeen weeks, have the Colts peaked too early and are

2311
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 2: we starting to see them crest and descend and fall

2312
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 2: to the rest of the pack. Denver has had offensive

2313
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:24,240
Speaker 2: problems with bo Nicks not being terribly accurate for stretches

2314
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 2: of games. What does that mean and is their tann

2315
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 2: back from injury. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 2: You just heard Mike Gardy say the Patriots played down

2318
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Speaker 2: to the level of competition this week against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: And they lost both tackles during that game.

2320
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and a left guard and a left guard.

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Speaker 2: So it's hard to sustain an elite level of play

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02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 2: all the way through the season. You know, even the

2323
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Rams right now, which are the hottest team in football,

2324
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: are they going to be able to keep that up

2325
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Speaker 2: for the next month and a half.

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Speaker 4: It's hard. See somebody's going somebody's gonna be last man standing,

2327
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 4: and there's gonna be some teams that are you can

2328
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 4: feel playing on an uptick as those as they get

2329
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Speaker 4: into the playoffs. I've said a lot. You remember we

2330
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Speaker 4: get in those wild card playoff rounds where teams fight

2331
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 4: and claw and kick and scratch like the Bills did

2332
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen when McDermott first got here. The drought

2333
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:21,920
Speaker 4: is broken.

2334
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 3: Man.

2335
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:24,320
Speaker 4: They head into that next week and you can just

2336
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 4: feel the emotional tide that they're rolling with. And those

2337
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,080
Speaker 4: wild card rounds sometimes you get some really good football

2338
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 4: games and those downs, and then you get to the

2339
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,920
Speaker 4: divisional round and it's a little different. Well, you know,

2340
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 4: it's harder to harder to win those games because you've

2341
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 4: got a team that's you know, now you've kind of

2342
02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 4: settled in, and it's it's just different. It's just really different.

2343
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 4: It used to be even worse when you've got two teams,

2344
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:50,560
Speaker 4: you had two teams getting the BUYEA rather than just one.

2345
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:53,760
Speaker 2: Let's head back to the phone lines where we do

2346
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 2: have open lines through you at eight O three zero

2347
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Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty

2348
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Speaker 2: to Bill in Ken or what's up?

2349
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Speaker 4: Bill?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Yeah, thank you thanking me call. Comment about Joe Brady.

2351
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:06,360
Speaker 5: I was noticing in the game with that with the

2352
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 5: rams that McVay was sitting or calling his plays that

2353
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:11,400
Speaker 5: he would hold up his clipboard by his mouth so

2354
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:13,960
Speaker 5: he couldn't see what he was saying. It's only maybe

2355
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 5: Joe Brady I think about doing that when he's calling

2356
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 5: his plays.

2357
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:19,800
Speaker 3: Well, he's he's up in the booth. No one can

2358
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 3: really see him, I know, but maybe.

2359
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Speaker 5: You know, somehow, maybe they can somehow see that. They

2360
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 5: got some pretty smart guys in the league that can

2361
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:29,480
Speaker 5: check things out anyway. Another thing is that regarding the

2362
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Speaker 5: two injuries players Oliver heck and they ever thought about

2363
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 5: possibly using some kind of some cell treatment, because I

2364
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 5: know that Beck then really eating healing. The Tony Robbins,

2365
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 5: the big finance of grew here. I guess he messed

2366
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 5: himself up going down a skiboard. It's he was looking

2367
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 5: at like a mightbe a six month rehab and I

2368
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,040
Speaker 5: guess he went to like Costa Rica in six weeks.

2369
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 5: Did Brandon news shoulder with the stem stell treatment, it's

2370
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 5: one of you maybe that might be something which since

2371
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 5: he came out of the less ends rams in organization theory,

2372
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,360
Speaker 5: maybe some doctors that are out there would know about

2373
02:04:06,360 --> 02:04:09,280
Speaker 5: this and maybe they, you know, recommend that the speed

2374
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 5: that healing up on its achilles as.

2375
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 3: Well as I Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

2376
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 4: Bill.

2377
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:18,080
Speaker 2: As I said earlier in the show, I am not

2378
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 2: a doctor. I could not speak to the prevalence of

2379
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:26,280
Speaker 2: stem cell treatments for the injuries sustained by Michael Hoyt

2380
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 2: or at Oliver, which were an achilles and a biceps, respectively.

2381
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 2: So I am not going to pontificate on that because

2382
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,280
Speaker 2: I have no frame of reference as to whether or

2383
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 2: not A it's even an option, B, how successful they are,

2384
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:42,280
Speaker 2: or c.

2385
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 3: Whether the Bills know any doctors that do that and

2386
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 3: would do that for those injuries.

2387
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 4: Even if the Bills don't know and the players do,

2388
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 4: they can go for a second opinion anytime they want, right,

2389
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:54,160
Speaker 4: So if it's out there and they want it, they

2390
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 4: can go get it. It's that simple. It might be

2391
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,280
Speaker 4: at there on their own dime if it's something experimental

2392
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:05,400
Speaker 4: like that or whatever it is you're talking about, but yeah,

2393
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 4: it's available. If it's available to them, they can certainly

2394
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 4: go partake of it.

2395
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:13,880
Speaker 2: And I'll just tell you that you're worried about Joe

2396
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,400
Speaker 2: Brady and somebody reading his lips when he's calling plays

2397
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 2: in First of all, he's got a headset on with

2398
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 2: a mouthpiece in front of his mouth. Second, he's up

2399
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 2: in the booth, not on the field. And third, typically

2400
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:33,720
Speaker 2: in the coaches booth, they blur out the neighboring windows.

2401
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:37,560
Speaker 2: So even if you're sitting next to them at that level,

2402
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:42,160
Speaker 2: which we have at times in the radio booth, even

2403
02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:45,040
Speaker 2: we can't see in there because they've got the windows

2404
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 2: blurred and it's opaque. There's no way to see in.

2405
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 2: So if you're insinuating, they got some guy in the

2406
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 2: upper deck with binoculars, you know, looking in there to

2407
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,600
Speaker 2: try to read his lips and then discern exactly what

2408
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 2: he's saying and then relay the terminology, which other teams

2409
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 2: really don't know.

2410
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:06,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2411
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 2: I guess you can never rule it out, but it

2412
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:14,240
Speaker 2: seems pretty far fetched. Belichick was still coaching in the league,

2413
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 2: it could be more apt to believe it.

2414
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 4: You're not wrong. I mean they hold the card up

2415
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:22,640
Speaker 4: to their mouth for a reason.

2416
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. On the field, it's different.

2417
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:27,320
Speaker 4: They do get lip readers see if they can discern

2418
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 4: what they're and even in defensive play calls, the Patriots

2419
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:35,680
Speaker 4: seemed back in the day to have a penchant for

2420
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 4: needing defensive signals for their offense. They notoriously cheated to

2421
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 4: get those defensive signals so that they could pirate them

2422
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:53,720
Speaker 4: and have that You heard players from this former Bills

2423
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 4: teams who knew that the Patriots were getting the Bill's

2424
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 4: defensive signals with thirteen seconds left on the play clock. Yeah,

2425
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:08,120
Speaker 4: teams out there do their best to call it what

2426
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:10,880
Speaker 4: you want, cheat whatever to get those. So yeah, it

2427
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:15,920
Speaker 4: might be it might be smart to cover your mouth up. Yeah,

2428
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 4: why not.

2429
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 3: Let's go to Dennis in North Carolina. What's up, Dennis?

2430
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:20,960
Speaker 3: What do you got first?

2431
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 24: Hey, how y'all doing good?

2432
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 4: Good?

2433
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 6: Good?

2434
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:25,960
Speaker 5: Hey?

2435
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 8: I always want to who who is calling.

2436
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 24: The play cars on the defense. I know Bobby Babbage,

2437
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 24: but it seemed like to me that Buffalo's defense played

2438
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:43,760
Speaker 24: better when McDermott uh college to plays. And I mean,

2439
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 24: I hopefully I'm not wrong, but the past two times

2440
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 24: I've been watching Buffalo play, I mean, I'm a true fan,

2441
02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 24: but it's very heartbreaking and I turned my TV off exactly,

2442
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:56,640
Speaker 24: you know.

2443
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

2444
02:07:58,320 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 5: Dennis.

2445
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:01,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, with regard to the play calling on defense,

2446
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:06,080
Speaker 2: we're never going to know to what degree. Coach McDermott

2447
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:08,920
Speaker 2: asserts himself. He has confirmed that it's a team effort

2448
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:11,120
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball, which would lend credence

2449
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 2: to the belief that he has input and weighs in

2450
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 2: on some of the play calling to what degree. I

2451
02:08:19,560 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 2: don't think we will ever know unless he or Bobby

2452
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:23,400
Speaker 2: Babbage come out and say it directly.

2453
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:23,560
Speaker 4: Ah.

2454
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he calls fifty percent of the game

2455
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 3: and I call fifty percent of the game.

2456
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:32,680
Speaker 2: I would tend to believe that Coach McDermott would prefer

2457
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 2: to leave it all to Bobby Babbage. Now, when he

2458
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 2: feels something needs to be said, or he sees something

2459
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:45,080
Speaker 2: pre snap that he recognizes from the previous play, he's

2460
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:47,600
Speaker 2: going to chime in and let his coordinator know about it.

2461
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:52,080
Speaker 2: As far as strict play calling goes, we've seen him

2462
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 2: do it before. He stepped in on Leslie Fraser and

2463
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 2: has taken play calling duties from him through the course

2464
02:08:57,920 --> 02:08:59,880
Speaker 2: of a game before on multiple occasions.

2465
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:02,760
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying it hasn't happened.

2466
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,600
Speaker 2: But it's very hard to discern, especially with the head

2467
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 2: coach on the sidelines and the coordinator upstairs. It's hard

2468
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:13,640
Speaker 2: to discern exactly who is doing what and how much

2469
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:14,480
Speaker 2: of it they are doing.

2470
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 3: So there's no way to truly know, is my answer.

2471
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:20,560
Speaker 4: I guess right, But you can bet that there have

2472
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 4: been times when Sean McDermott has called the defenses this season,

2473
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:28,960
Speaker 4: and there'd probably be more times coming up. It just happens,

2474
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:31,320
Speaker 4: and it's and he's not the only head coach. He's done.

2475
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:34,560
Speaker 4: Defensive head coach, he's done, and he won't be the last.

2476
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 3: To Bob in Lockport. What do you got first, Bob?

2477
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how are you good?

2478
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:40,240
Speaker 4: Good?

2479
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 11: Listen?

2480
02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:43,960
Speaker 16: Uh, I'm not.

2481
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,840
Speaker 11: A Monday Monday morning quarterback. So I just had something

2482
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:49,160
Speaker 11: cute that I thought maybe I want to just, you know,

2483
02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:51,960
Speaker 11: throw out you guys. I want to know your movie

2484
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 11: stars now on that Buffalo Movies, so on Hallmark, tell

2485
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:56,040
Speaker 11: us about it.

2486
02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:00,080
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, not stars, cameo appearances.

2487
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,440
Speaker 3: But but thank you, your your your.

2488
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:06,800
Speaker 2: Words are a little inflated as far as we're concerned.

2489
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:08,960
Speaker 4: We're not movie stars. I was on it for like

2490
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,160
Speaker 4: five seconds.

2491
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:11,280
Speaker 3: And I was on for two. I was on for

2492
02:10:11,320 --> 02:10:12,000
Speaker 3: half that, So.

2493
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 4: There you go. I appreciate it. Yeah, I will say

2494
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:15,760
Speaker 4: this though, it was fun doing it. When you turn

2495
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:18,000
Speaker 4: the movie on, the first voice you hear is Chris Brown.

2496
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 3: No it's you.

2497
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:20,240
Speaker 4: I thought it was you.

2498
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:21,240
Speaker 3: No you was that me?

2499
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 4: I think it is? Okay? Was talking? Yeah?

2500
02:10:24,440 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 3: Right?

2501
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:26,520
Speaker 4: When the when the first comes ball game in the bar,

2502
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 4: the ball game on my.

2503
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 3: Voice is on. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, it was fun.

2504
02:10:31,320 --> 02:10:34,160
Speaker 4: I mean when I was pleasant, I was pleasantly surprised

2505
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:38,680
Speaker 4: and very pleasantly surprised with the movie. It exceeded my expectations.

2506
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah Mark movie.

2507
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 4: Yes, but I gotta tell you I enjoyed it, not

2508
02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:45,160
Speaker 4: just because I was in it or all that, but

2509
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:48,880
Speaker 4: the Buffalo connection in it is say is spot.

2510
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 2: On, unquestionably painted Buffalo in a very positive light. And

2511
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:55,880
Speaker 2: the crew that was here when they did a lot

2512
02:10:55,880 --> 02:10:58,879
Speaker 2: of their shooting in May could not have been easier

2513
02:10:58,880 --> 02:10:59,440
Speaker 2: to work with.

2514
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:01,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was.

2515
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 2: It was a real tree to kind of see how

2516
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 2: that end of the business works, you know, the movie

2517
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 2: making industry.

2518
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 4: Brownie and I were at the premiere two saturdays ago.

2519
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 4: What a hoot. It was great. It couldn't have been better. Yeah,

2520
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 4: it was unbelievable. It was great. So yeah, it was

2521
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 4: a fun experience for us. And I'm sure and I've

2522
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, of course, you know when the thing premiered

2523
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 4: on Saturday night, I don't know if you're did your

2524
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:24,320
Speaker 4: phone blow up?

2525
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:27,520
Speaker 3: Got a few texts? Yeah, got to hit up on

2526
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:28,880
Speaker 3: social media, same with me.

2527
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 4: So there you go. It was fun and I and

2528
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:31,680
Speaker 4: thanks you.

2529
02:11:31,720 --> 02:11:34,120
Speaker 3: There were watch parties like I reck Quester New York.

2530
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:36,200
Speaker 4: I recommend it, so go watch it.

2531
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah it was good.

2532
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:39,480
Speaker 2: I think you can get it on demand at the

2533
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 2: Hallmark Plus app. But uh, it'll probably get re wrecked

2534
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 2: on the Hallmark channel too between now and Christmas.

2535
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 4: Every Christmas it'll be coming back loop around.

2536
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

2537
02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:51,320
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. One segment to go, some

2538
02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:53,080
Speaker 2: final thoughts on the tweets. Sheeet next here on one

2539
02:11:53,120 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 2: Bill's Live Stay with us. All right back here on

2540
02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 2: a Buffalo Football Monday. One final segment to go, Chris Brown,

2541
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you, and some final thoughts on the

2542
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:17,080
Speaker 2: tweet sheet here where we have been asking you today?

2543
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:19,720
Speaker 2: What did week twelve tell us about the playoff picture

2544
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:23,440
Speaker 2: in the AFC? From Nowhere to Anywhere says going into

2545
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,280
Speaker 2: week thirteen, if the Bills lose, they are relying on

2546
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,960
Speaker 2: help from others to stay in the playoffs. If they win,

2547
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:34,320
Speaker 2: they still need help to avoid a requirement of winning

2548
02:12:34,360 --> 02:12:38,600
Speaker 2: out just to make the playoffs. This is unacceptable. With

2549
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 2: ten picks in back to back drafts and no cap space.

2550
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 4: It is what it is I don't get them.

2551
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

2552
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:51,000
Speaker 2: I think they're saying, you had two drafts to ten

2553
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:56,160
Speaker 2: plus picks and you you have no cap space, and

2554
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:59,000
Speaker 2: this is what you have to show for it.

2555
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:01,200
Speaker 3: I think that's where they're coming from. I'm just guessing.

2556
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:03,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2557
02:13:03,640 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they control their own destiny right now. That's

2558
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:09,320
Speaker 2: what makes this game this weekend so big. It's just

2559
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 2: as big for Pittsburgh because they just lost their grip

2560
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,360
Speaker 2: on the division lead in the AFC North to the

2561
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:17,680
Speaker 2: Ravens who caught them and passed them in about a

2562
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 2: month and a half. So and look, you just look

2563
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:27,880
Speaker 2: across that Pittsburgh defense. They are long in the tooth.

2564
02:13:28,240 --> 02:13:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, Well, Jaylen Ramsey's been moved to safety in

2565
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:33,760
Speaker 4: his various tenth.

2566
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:34,520
Speaker 3: Year, eleventh year.

2567
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hayward's borderline ancient, although he can still play.

2568
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,280
Speaker 3: It's it's a group, Joe says.

2569
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:46,160
Speaker 2: It says the Bills are in deep trouble if they

2570
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,520
Speaker 2: even make it. It helps them that a lot of

2571
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:51,959
Speaker 2: teams around them play each other, Jacksonville, Houston and India especially,

2572
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:54,680
Speaker 2: But the division seems pretty much out of reach. Yes,

2573
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:58,920
Speaker 2: the percentages will say that, and that is unequivocally the case.

2574
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:04,240
Speaker 2: So just keep on winning, put your head down, keep

2575
02:14:04,280 --> 02:14:06,120
Speaker 2: on winning, and then when it's all over, pick your

2576
02:14:06,160 --> 02:14:07,160
Speaker 2: head up and see where you are.

2577
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 4: That's right, Just keep going.

2578
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:09,360
Speaker 3: That's all you can do.

2579
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 4: That's all you can do, and that's that's what they're

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Speaker 4: going to continue to do. Get on the road this week,

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Speaker 4: try and get a win on the road and get

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Speaker 4: yourself back to even Stephen.

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Speaker 2: We're back tomorrow at one. We've got Dan Orlovsky joining us.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you then.