1 00:00:15,086 --> 00:00:15,456 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:38,966 --> 00:00:40,406 Speaker 2: You know, rolling to the call, I didn't know what 3 00:00:40,426 --> 00:00:43,276 Speaker 2: the circumstances were. You're trained as a cop to kind 4 00:00:43,316 --> 00:00:44,976 Speaker 2: of envision what you're going to deal with when you 5 00:00:45,016 --> 00:00:45,396 Speaker 2: get there. 6 00:00:46,376 --> 00:00:49,776 Speaker 3: This is Phil Reeves. He's a retired deputy who serves 7 00:00:49,836 --> 00:00:51,936 Speaker 3: as a chaplain for Lost Hills Sheriff's Station. 8 00:00:52,676 --> 00:00:54,236 Speaker 2: So I figured on the way over there, this is 9 00:00:54,296 --> 00:00:58,816 Speaker 2: probably like a domestic violence thing or something that happened 10 00:00:58,856 --> 00:01:00,346 Speaker 2: in a big house, you know, in one of these 11 00:01:00,396 --> 00:01:02,466 Speaker 2: mansions or whatever. And it turned out to be in 12 00:01:02,506 --> 00:01:05,926 Speaker 2: the park and that the folks there are not from here. 13 00:01:05,946 --> 00:01:09,566 Speaker 2: So They had no place, you know, they weren't local. 14 00:01:11,066 --> 00:01:13,976 Speaker 3: We're at his house in a nice suburban neighborhood not 15 00:01:14,006 --> 00:01:21,436 Speaker 3: far from the station. We're talking about that day, June 22, 2018, 16 00:01:21,436 --> 00:01:24,596 Speaker 3: when he responded to a shooting at Malibu Creek State Park. 17 00:01:26,096 --> 00:01:29,596 Speaker 2: One of our female deputy was close by. I don't 18 00:01:29,616 --> 00:01:33,096 Speaker 2: know whether there was a ranger there prior or not. 19 00:01:33,116 --> 00:01:33,476 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 20 00:01:33,996 --> 00:01:37,836 Speaker 2: But it was still dark. and crazy in there. 21 00:01:38,756 --> 00:01:41,666 Speaker 3: When Pastor Phil got to the station, he found Tristan 22 00:01:41,676 --> 00:01:44,006 Speaker 3: Beaudet's family, totally distraught. 23 00:01:45,186 --> 00:01:47,566 Speaker 2: You know, you can imagine what state of mind that 24 00:01:47,606 --> 00:01:48,186 Speaker 2: they were in. 25 00:01:48,986 --> 00:01:52,906 Speaker 3: He started talking to Scott McCurdy, Tristan's brother-in-law, who'd been 26 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:55,836 Speaker 3: sleeping in the next tent over. He was actually the 27 00:01:55,916 --> 00:02:01,756 Speaker 3: one who discovered Tristan's body. Erica Wu, Tristan's wife, had 28 00:02:01,796 --> 00:02:04,256 Speaker 3: been at home in Orange County getting ready to take 29 00:02:04,316 --> 00:02:06,636 Speaker 3: a medical board exam when she got the news that 30 00:02:06,676 --> 00:02:10,556 Speaker 3: her husband had been killed. Now, she was inside the station. 31 00:02:11,616 --> 00:02:15,636 Speaker 2: Erica was still being interviewed by the homicide guys. 32 00:02:16,616 --> 00:02:20,836 Speaker 3: Eventually, Erica came out. She was focused on one thing only. 33 00:02:21,806 --> 00:02:26,066 Speaker 2: Erica was adamant about it. She wanted to see the body. 34 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:30,246 Speaker 2: She wanted to see Tristan's body. And I knew it 35 00:02:30,306 --> 00:02:35,006 Speaker 2: was probably going to be like hours and hours and hours. 36 00:02:36,116 --> 00:02:40,316 Speaker 3: Pastor Phil brought everyone back here to his house to wait. 37 00:02:41,576 --> 00:02:43,916 Speaker 2: Erica, you know, she went up and just kind of 38 00:02:44,236 --> 00:02:47,216 Speaker 2: curled up in the fetal position on the bed upstairs. 39 00:02:48,436 --> 00:02:51,466 Speaker 3: On some level, he says, she didn't believe that Tristan 40 00:02:51,506 --> 00:02:54,266 Speaker 3: had died. She needed to make it real. 41 00:02:55,556 --> 00:02:57,636 Speaker 2: Five or six o'clock, I forget when it was, we 42 00:02:57,656 --> 00:02:59,676 Speaker 2: got a call. I got a call from the homicide guy. 43 00:02:59,696 --> 00:03:02,456 Speaker 2: I said, hey, the coroner's done. You got to get 44 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:03,416 Speaker 2: over here right away. 45 00:03:04,496 --> 00:03:05,826 Speaker 3: Everyone piled into his car. 46 00:03:06,376 --> 00:03:09,446 Speaker 2: And the press was there. They were all gathered around 47 00:03:09,466 --> 00:03:14,166 Speaker 2: the gate. And then I got a call saying the 48 00:03:14,246 --> 00:03:16,966 Speaker 2: coroner doesn't want them to see the body. I got 49 00:03:17,026 --> 00:03:19,906 Speaker 2: that call just as a coroner's van was coming out 50 00:03:19,926 --> 00:03:24,246 Speaker 2: of the park. And Erica said, is that him? Is 51 00:03:24,286 --> 00:03:26,486 Speaker 2: he in there? They jumped out of the car and 52 00:03:26,526 --> 00:03:30,466 Speaker 2: they ran over to intercept the van as it was leaving. 53 00:03:30,486 --> 00:03:32,926 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh. And it was getting 54 00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:37,286 Speaker 2: to be a cluster. And they were really upset, obviously, 55 00:03:37,886 --> 00:03:42,066 Speaker 2: wailing and sobbing. And they stopped the van. And the 56 00:03:42,106 --> 00:03:46,936 Speaker 2: coroner's assistant was this young lady. And she was already 57 00:03:46,976 --> 00:03:48,976 Speaker 2: affected by this whole thing. She was just in tears 58 00:03:49,616 --> 00:03:54,806 Speaker 2: driving the coroner's van. You know, and the family's saying, 59 00:03:54,966 --> 00:03:57,096 Speaker 2: open the van. You've got to open the van and 60 00:03:57,136 --> 00:03:58,816 Speaker 2: let us look at him. And she said, I can't 61 00:03:58,856 --> 00:04:00,976 Speaker 2: do that. You know, the coroner said. 62 00:04:01,016 --> 00:04:01,396 Speaker 1: I can't. 63 00:04:01,416 --> 00:04:06,096 Speaker 2: I've got to go. I was able to kind of say, hey, look, 64 00:04:07,236 --> 00:04:10,226 Speaker 2: we can't see him now. Let's get back in the car. 65 00:04:10,786 --> 00:04:12,966 Speaker 2: And the coroner and the homicide guys came out, and 66 00:04:13,106 --> 00:04:15,906 Speaker 2: they did something unusual, which they said, come on, let's 67 00:04:15,946 --> 00:04:19,526 Speaker 2: go in the park, so that the family could ask 68 00:04:19,566 --> 00:04:23,646 Speaker 2: the coroner and the homicide people you know, questions about 69 00:04:23,866 --> 00:04:26,626 Speaker 2: what they knew at that point. So I felt there 70 00:04:26,666 --> 00:04:28,736 Speaker 2: was at least some closure there for them. My sense 71 00:04:28,746 --> 00:04:30,116 Speaker 2: is that maybe they have a different opinion. 72 00:04:34,976 --> 00:04:38,556 Speaker 3: When I started investigating this murder, everything about it seemed 73 00:04:38,656 --> 00:04:43,726 Speaker 3: completely random. But then I found out about Anthony Rauta 74 00:04:44,106 --> 00:04:47,266 Speaker 3: and his long history with law enforcement, with the Lost 75 00:04:47,286 --> 00:04:50,786 Speaker 3: Hills cops, and the violence he says they did to 76 00:04:50,846 --> 00:04:53,266 Speaker 3: him which might have set him on his path. 77 00:04:54,986 --> 00:04:58,766 Speaker 2: You know, these things, these things are, these affect lifetimes. 78 00:04:58,786 --> 00:04:59,826 Speaker 2: These are generational. 79 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:04,206 Speaker 3: Pastor Phil is a pastor, so he's been going to 80 00:05:04,226 --> 00:05:08,846 Speaker 3: the Bible, to the first murder, to try to understand 81 00:05:08,906 --> 00:05:13,406 Speaker 3: how violence reverberates, like what seems to have happened to Rauda, 82 00:05:14,506 --> 00:05:16,166 Speaker 3: like what happened to Tristan Beaudet. 83 00:05:18,326 --> 00:05:22,316 Speaker 2: I just read about Cain and Abel and, um, After 84 00:05:22,636 --> 00:05:26,046 Speaker 2: Cain slew Abel, God says, I can hear your brother's 85 00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:32,266 Speaker 2: blood from the ground. But the Hebrew for blood is plural, bloods. 86 00:05:32,486 --> 00:05:35,246 Speaker 2: I can hear your brother's bloods from the ground. Why 87 00:05:35,386 --> 00:05:45,736 Speaker 2: is that? Why plural? And the implication is that when 88 00:05:45,776 --> 00:05:51,826 Speaker 2: you take somebody's life, you affect them. All their potentiality, 89 00:05:52,046 --> 00:05:55,716 Speaker 2: all the things that they could be, you know, you 90 00:05:55,816 --> 00:06:00,916 Speaker 2: affect the children that they might have had, the grandchildren 91 00:06:00,956 --> 00:06:06,436 Speaker 2: that they might have had. I mean, it's just, you 92 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:07,726 Speaker 2: just can't even begin to measure. 93 00:06:07,746 --> 00:06:12,386 Speaker 3: He's saying that Tristan Beaudet's murder will affect his children 94 00:06:13,106 --> 00:06:18,426 Speaker 3: and his children's children and their children, too. I know 95 00:06:18,466 --> 00:06:21,006 Speaker 3: that Erica, in her own way, has arrived at this 96 00:06:21,086 --> 00:06:24,666 Speaker 3: same idea. When I call her to check in and 97 00:06:24,726 --> 00:06:29,726 Speaker 3: ask about the girls, she says, they're amazing, happy, resilient 98 00:06:29,766 --> 00:06:33,156 Speaker 3: little people, but they're not the people they would have been. 99 00:06:35,856 --> 00:06:47,766 Speaker 3: Then she adds, I guess neither am I anymore. Cain 100 00:06:47,806 --> 00:06:51,166 Speaker 3: and Abel are the first two sons of Adam and Eve. 101 00:06:52,606 --> 00:06:55,286 Speaker 3: In the Cain and Abel story, Cain is jealous of 102 00:06:55,366 --> 00:07:00,846 Speaker 3: Abel and murders him. So God exiles Cain, sending him 103 00:07:01,026 --> 00:07:04,356 Speaker 3: east to the land of Nod, a place of wandering, 104 00:07:05,416 --> 00:07:10,176 Speaker 3: a place for fugitives. How could I not think about Rauda, 105 00:07:11,316 --> 00:07:16,176 Speaker 3: his restless wandering, and also his camp? in the desolate 106 00:07:16,186 --> 00:07:20,696 Speaker 3: hills at the edge of Malibu. And how this story, 107 00:07:21,436 --> 00:07:25,536 Speaker 3: which is about violence and its echoes, is also about knowledge. 108 00:07:27,856 --> 00:07:32,596 Speaker 3: How just a little bit of knowledge could have changed everything. 109 00:07:36,996 --> 00:07:40,526 Speaker 3: I'm Dana Goodyear, and this is Lost Hills. 110 00:07:42,486 --> 00:07:45,426 Speaker 5: Episode 8, East of Eden. 111 00:08:14,956 --> 00:08:18,436 Speaker 3: Several months before Tristan Beaudet was killed, a couple of 112 00:08:18,496 --> 00:08:20,316 Speaker 3: hikers found Rauta's camp. 113 00:08:21,636 --> 00:08:23,076 Speaker 1: My name is Hunter Smith. 114 00:08:23,816 --> 00:08:25,206 Speaker 6: My name's Kara Hartley. 115 00:08:25,226 --> 00:08:29,186 Speaker 3: They'd followed a deer trail up into the hills north 116 00:08:29,226 --> 00:08:33,166 Speaker 3: of the Hairpin Turn on Mulholland Highway when they realized 117 00:08:33,386 --> 00:08:35,006 Speaker 3: they'd stumbled into someone's home. 118 00:08:36,386 --> 00:08:39,996 Speaker 6: It didn't look very habitable or like it had been 119 00:08:40,036 --> 00:08:41,126 Speaker 6: habitable for a while. 120 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:46,366 Speaker 3: It seemed abandoned. Abandoned. with trash spilling down the steep slopes. 121 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:50,726 Speaker 3: They looked around for stuff to scavenge. They liked bringing 122 00:08:50,786 --> 00:08:52,126 Speaker 3: souvenirs home from their hikes. 123 00:08:53,506 --> 00:08:59,666 Speaker 6: I found this hot pink machete, and it did have 124 00:08:59,686 --> 00:09:04,046 Speaker 6: a carving on the side, like somebody had scratched into 125 00:09:04,086 --> 00:09:08,146 Speaker 6: the blade, and it said Q's Machete on it, C-U 126 00:09:08,186 --> 00:09:13,336 Speaker 6: apostrophe S. It became a part of, you know, just 127 00:09:13,376 --> 00:09:17,456 Speaker 6: my camping box that we would take camping. And we 128 00:09:17,536 --> 00:09:21,276 Speaker 6: used to make funny stories up about this mythological character 129 00:09:21,316 --> 00:09:22,736 Speaker 6: that owned this machete. 130 00:09:24,096 --> 00:09:26,356 Speaker 3: They were there for 10 minutes at the most. 131 00:09:27,576 --> 00:09:32,656 Speaker 6: I did start feeling a little creeped out, like... hey, 132 00:09:32,736 --> 00:09:37,346 Speaker 6: this definitely was like where somebody was living or whatever, 133 00:09:37,406 --> 00:09:40,086 Speaker 6: and we both kind of felt the same way at 134 00:09:40,126 --> 00:09:42,886 Speaker 6: the same time and felt an urgency to leave. 135 00:09:44,286 --> 00:09:47,586 Speaker 3: Before they left, Kara grabbed one more souvenir. 136 00:09:48,936 --> 00:09:51,836 Speaker 6: The other thing that caught our eye was this, like, 137 00:09:51,996 --> 00:09:58,916 Speaker 6: a small box of what were unfired 12-gauge shotgun shells. 138 00:10:00,536 --> 00:10:03,426 Speaker 3: The box was caked in mud. with only a few 139 00:10:03,546 --> 00:10:04,386 Speaker 3: shells left. 140 00:10:05,386 --> 00:10:07,066 Speaker 6: We just stuffed that in her backpack too. 141 00:10:10,976 --> 00:10:16,256 Speaker 3: Months passed. The Tesla got shot. Tristan Beaudet was killed. 142 00:10:17,596 --> 00:10:20,216 Speaker 3: And Malibu went crazy trying to figure out who had 143 00:10:20,256 --> 00:10:24,366 Speaker 3: done it. Kara and Hunter broke up, and they forgot 144 00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:26,126 Speaker 3: all about the hike to the abandoned camp. 145 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:27,926 Speaker 2: In fact, I don't think. 146 00:10:28,686 --> 00:10:31,486 Speaker 1: We really thought about it until I drove by one 147 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:35,626 Speaker 1: day on Mulholland and saw a bunch of cop cars 148 00:10:35,826 --> 00:10:36,466 Speaker 1: on that turn. 149 00:10:37,426 --> 00:10:40,026 Speaker 3: When he saw that, Hunter immediately called Kara. 150 00:10:40,966 --> 00:10:46,866 Speaker 6: And he was like, Kara, do you think that possibly 151 00:10:46,966 --> 00:10:50,886 Speaker 6: that camp that we found back in January or February 152 00:10:51,846 --> 00:10:53,846 Speaker 6: could be the same guy? 153 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:57,046 Speaker 3: They couldn't find the box of shotgun shells. but they 154 00:10:57,086 --> 00:11:00,366 Speaker 3: decided to turn Q's machete in at Lost Hill Station. 155 00:11:01,586 --> 00:11:04,166 Speaker 3: They brought it in in a paper Trader Joe's bag, 156 00:11:05,006 --> 00:11:06,866 Speaker 3: and the detectives flipped out. 157 00:11:07,796 --> 00:11:10,716 Speaker 6: I mean, it was intimidating because we were just immediately 158 00:11:10,756 --> 00:11:15,336 Speaker 6: kind of surrounded by a bunch of cops wanting to get, like, 159 00:11:15,436 --> 00:11:18,876 Speaker 6: us repeat the facts over and over. They even wanted 160 00:11:18,956 --> 00:11:22,356 Speaker 6: us to hike them to the camp immediately, even though 161 00:11:22,376 --> 00:11:27,166 Speaker 6: it was, like, dark outside. And They even asked us 162 00:11:27,246 --> 00:11:30,426 Speaker 6: if we were homeless and living in our car in 163 00:11:30,806 --> 00:11:35,406 Speaker 6: the canyon. And maybe I just shouldn't warn my Birkenstocks 164 00:11:35,496 --> 00:11:36,916 Speaker 6: in that day or something. 165 00:11:37,796 --> 00:11:41,636 Speaker 3: The deputies were intent on finding the shotgun shells. They 166 00:11:41,716 --> 00:11:44,036 Speaker 3: asked over and over what type of shells they were, 167 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:48,906 Speaker 3: how big, what color. Were they solid slugs, birdshot? 168 00:11:49,566 --> 00:11:49,786 Speaker 7: What? 169 00:11:50,666 --> 00:11:54,566 Speaker 6: They probably called me like every other day for that 170 00:11:54,666 --> 00:11:58,766 Speaker 6: whole two weeks. And I just kind of was at 171 00:11:58,806 --> 00:12:01,546 Speaker 6: a loss of what to do. So I did a 172 00:12:01,606 --> 00:12:04,106 Speaker 6: really good clean out of my truck and I'd found 173 00:12:04,826 --> 00:12:07,946 Speaker 6: one of the 12 gauge shotgun shells rolling around in 174 00:12:08,006 --> 00:12:11,816 Speaker 6: my car. You know, so I had immediately went down 175 00:12:11,866 --> 00:12:15,076 Speaker 6: to the station at that point and I had it 176 00:12:15,116 --> 00:12:18,866 Speaker 6: in a little pouch and came in like, hey, just 177 00:12:18,906 --> 00:12:21,236 Speaker 6: so you know, I did find one of those shells 178 00:12:21,296 --> 00:12:22,056 Speaker 6: in my car. 179 00:12:23,736 --> 00:12:26,596 Speaker 3: Kara's evidence turned out to be so important that the 180 00:12:26,636 --> 00:12:31,846 Speaker 3: prosecutor asked her to testify before the grand jury. Still, 181 00:12:32,266 --> 00:12:35,886 Speaker 3: she's not entirely comfortable with the cop's narrative or her 182 00:12:35,926 --> 00:12:36,426 Speaker 3: role in it. 183 00:12:37,526 --> 00:12:41,066 Speaker 6: I mean, that's kind of like, been the problem the 184 00:12:41,106 --> 00:12:44,446 Speaker 6: whole time is just like there just has been such 185 00:12:44,506 --> 00:12:49,766 Speaker 6: a lack of transparency and information being released to the 186 00:12:49,816 --> 00:12:53,216 Speaker 6: public or alerting to the public about any of these 187 00:12:53,296 --> 00:12:54,136 Speaker 6: things happening. 188 00:12:56,336 --> 00:12:59,096 Speaker 3: Had Kara and Hunter known that there were unsolved shootings 189 00:12:59,136 --> 00:13:02,326 Speaker 3: when they came across an abandoned camp and found a 190 00:13:02,346 --> 00:13:05,826 Speaker 3: box of shotgun shells, it's easy to imagine that they 191 00:13:05,846 --> 00:13:06,816 Speaker 3: would have turned those in. 192 00:13:08,066 --> 00:13:11,506 Speaker 6: You know, and I think that's where the community's, like, 193 00:13:11,606 --> 00:13:18,136 Speaker 6: distrust in that system is spawning, too, because it wasn't, like, 194 00:13:18,676 --> 00:13:22,556 Speaker 6: widely known information that there was a so-called sniper in 195 00:13:22,596 --> 00:13:27,496 Speaker 6: the hills. And had Hunter and I known that, we 196 00:13:27,556 --> 00:13:32,796 Speaker 6: might have been more apt to alert the authorities about 197 00:13:32,866 --> 00:13:34,586 Speaker 6: the camp back in February. 198 00:13:37,156 --> 00:13:39,406 Speaker 3: And if they'd turned in the shotgun shells back then, 199 00:13:40,486 --> 00:13:43,026 Speaker 3: it's easy to imagine that the sheriff's department might have 200 00:13:43,066 --> 00:13:46,926 Speaker 3: searched the camp and found something. Or maybe they would 201 00:13:46,946 --> 00:13:51,266 Speaker 3: have put up some cameras. And then, when Rauter returned 202 00:13:51,286 --> 00:13:55,686 Speaker 3: with a carbine, they could have arrested him. All before 203 00:13:55,746 --> 00:14:00,046 Speaker 3: Tristan Beaudet even planned his camping trip to Malibu Creek 204 00:14:00,076 --> 00:14:08,636 Speaker 3: State Park. Had they known, they think, they could have 205 00:14:08,676 --> 00:14:34,256 Speaker 3: saved Brodette's life. For a long time, I couldn't figure 206 00:14:34,316 --> 00:14:38,176 Speaker 3: out what happened at Lost Hills Station. No one would 207 00:14:38,216 --> 00:14:40,796 Speaker 3: tell me what Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal had done 208 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:45,776 Speaker 3: wrong in the Rauta investigation, why they'd been disciplined. I 209 00:14:45,856 --> 00:14:49,056 Speaker 3: still haven't seen the confidential internal affairs reports into their 210 00:14:49,076 --> 00:14:53,426 Speaker 3: police work on the Rauta case. There's only one person 211 00:14:53,466 --> 00:14:57,086 Speaker 3: I can think of who definitely knows what happened and 212 00:14:57,166 --> 00:15:01,946 Speaker 3: can talk about it. In fact, she has to. It's 213 00:15:01,986 --> 00:15:06,566 Speaker 3: the prosecutor seeking to convict Rauta. She's obligated to tell 214 00:15:06,606 --> 00:15:09,996 Speaker 3: the grand jury everything anything that could potentially be exculpatory, 215 00:15:10,016 --> 00:15:13,756 Speaker 3: a help to the defense. So she had to tell 216 00:15:13,776 --> 00:15:16,716 Speaker 3: the grand jury about the two dirty cops, the homicide 217 00:15:16,756 --> 00:15:20,476 Speaker 3: detective Daniel Morris and the major crimes detective Ty Berry. 218 00:15:21,796 --> 00:15:25,486 Speaker 3: She didn't call them to testify, citing their histories of misconduct. 219 00:15:26,766 --> 00:15:30,006 Speaker 3: She also talked to the grand jury at length about 220 00:15:30,126 --> 00:15:34,716 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal. The reason the sheriff's department 221 00:15:34,766 --> 00:15:39,166 Speaker 3: disciplined them, she said, is that they conducted unauthorized investigations 222 00:15:39,506 --> 00:15:44,156 Speaker 3: and reenactments. When Sergeant Wright used a dowel to estimate 223 00:15:44,196 --> 00:15:47,256 Speaker 3: the trajectory of the bullet that hit Ian Kincaid's Tesla, 224 00:15:48,616 --> 00:15:51,076 Speaker 3: and that time he went to the campground and pointed 225 00:15:51,136 --> 00:15:53,776 Speaker 3: a laser at Beaudet's campsite to figure out where the 226 00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:56,826 Speaker 3: other bullet had gone, so what if he found a 227 00:15:57,026 --> 00:16:00,486 Speaker 3: 9mm bullet? It wasn't his job, she said, and he 228 00:16:00,506 --> 00:16:04,826 Speaker 3: didn't do it right. And Royal? She sums up his 229 00:16:04,886 --> 00:16:09,346 Speaker 3: work as a, quote, personal investigation into the charged crimes. 230 00:16:11,046 --> 00:16:11,286 Speaker 1: Ouch. 231 00:16:14,346 --> 00:16:18,336 Speaker 3: It seems like Captain Becerra was right. Tweedledee and Tweedledum 232 00:16:19,046 --> 00:16:24,356 Speaker 3: gave the defense a defense. But what if going rogue 233 00:16:24,776 --> 00:16:28,136 Speaker 3: isn't the real reason Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal were disciplined? 234 00:16:29,396 --> 00:16:32,056 Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, I had a conversation that changed 235 00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:33,756 Speaker 3: my view of the whole story. 236 00:16:34,946 --> 00:16:38,656 Speaker 1: My name is Jeremy Lippman. I am a reserve sheriff's 237 00:16:38,676 --> 00:16:42,076 Speaker 1: deputy and a member of the Malibu search and rescue team. 238 00:16:43,496 --> 00:16:46,796 Speaker 3: Lippman is part of Sergeant Wright's old team. He's been 239 00:16:46,836 --> 00:16:49,216 Speaker 3: disturbed to see what his old boss has been going through, 240 00:16:49,616 --> 00:16:52,826 Speaker 3: and he wants to set the record straight. He says 241 00:16:52,866 --> 00:16:57,026 Speaker 3: what happened to Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal is about jealousy, ego, 242 00:16:57,426 --> 00:16:58,426 Speaker 3: and wounded pride. 243 00:16:59,726 --> 00:17:03,466 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with right and wrong or facts. 244 00:17:04,006 --> 00:17:07,726 Speaker 1: It just has to do with politics. And my perception, 245 00:17:07,746 --> 00:17:13,566 Speaker 1: and I've said this before, is no good deed goes unpunished. 246 00:17:15,256 --> 00:17:18,836 Speaker 3: He says the detectives from homicide and major crimes, elite 247 00:17:18,976 --> 00:17:23,176 Speaker 3: free-ranging units that tackle the most serious crimes, were upstaged 248 00:17:23,236 --> 00:17:27,436 Speaker 3: by the local Lost Hills detectives and the volunteers from Sgt. 249 00:17:27,476 --> 00:17:31,556 Speaker 3: Wright's search and rescue team. It started with the 9mm 250 00:17:31,616 --> 00:17:36,056 Speaker 3: shell casings at the murder scene. After Beaudet was killed, 251 00:17:36,376 --> 00:17:39,556 Speaker 3: Homicide searched the campground and didn't come up with anything. 252 00:17:40,496 --> 00:17:43,446 Speaker 1: Homicide having not located any shell casings in their search, 253 00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:49,246 Speaker 1: Malibu Search and Rescue was tasked, and the team was tasked, 254 00:17:49,886 --> 00:17:53,446 Speaker 1: to go and conduct a secondary search, which we did. 255 00:17:54,506 --> 00:17:56,846 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright, he says, told the team to look in 256 00:17:56,866 --> 00:17:59,896 Speaker 3: the grass to the east of Beaudet's tent. He had 257 00:17:59,916 --> 00:18:01,976 Speaker 3: a hunch that that's where the shooter had fired from. 258 00:18:03,196 --> 00:18:07,056 Speaker 3: Very quickly, Search and Rescue found five 9mm shell casings. 259 00:18:08,156 --> 00:18:12,386 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright called homicide. Do you remember what homicide's reaction 260 00:18:12,446 --> 00:18:13,666 Speaker 3: was when they arrived? 261 00:18:14,426 --> 00:18:16,966 Speaker 1: I think they were a little surprised that we found it, 262 00:18:17,006 --> 00:18:17,746 Speaker 1: the shell casings. 263 00:18:18,726 --> 00:18:22,566 Speaker 3: It was awkward. But the next thing that happened was worse. 264 00:18:23,726 --> 00:18:27,346 Speaker 3: It involved the Major Crimes Bureau. In the fall of 2018, 265 00:18:27,346 --> 00:18:31,976 Speaker 3: they took over the investigation into the armed burglaries. The 266 00:18:32,016 --> 00:18:35,576 Speaker 3: lead investigator was Ty Berry, Mr. Shitkickers himself. 267 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:42,686 Speaker 1: The attitude towards Lost Hill Station was very, very negative and, 268 00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:48,446 Speaker 1: in fact, derogatory. That deputies were leaking information, that deputies 269 00:18:48,486 --> 00:18:51,226 Speaker 1: didn't know what they were doing. And what I mean 270 00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:54,696 Speaker 1: by that was, this is all your guy's fault, and 271 00:18:54,736 --> 00:18:56,216 Speaker 1: now we have to clean up your mess. 272 00:18:58,786 --> 00:19:00,626 Speaker 3: Littman says it all came to a head on the 273 00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:04,346 Speaker 3: day of Rauta's capture. Sergeant Wright had followed that trail 274 00:19:04,386 --> 00:19:06,676 Speaker 3: of boot prints from the site of the last break-in 275 00:19:07,006 --> 00:19:10,376 Speaker 3: into the hills behind the sheriff's station. He argued with 276 00:19:10,436 --> 00:19:13,216 Speaker 3: Ty Berry, now one of the official leads on the case, 277 00:19:13,656 --> 00:19:15,436 Speaker 3: to go back and search the hills again. 278 00:19:15,456 --> 00:19:21,556 Speaker 1: And that's what precipitated what became a pretty heated conversation 279 00:19:21,576 --> 00:19:25,376 Speaker 1: between Sergeant Wright and Ty Berry, as well as Lieutenant 280 00:19:25,416 --> 00:19:28,276 Speaker 1: Royal and another major crimes detective who I don't know. 281 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:31,316 Speaker 3: So Barry didn't want to go look there? 282 00:19:32,136 --> 00:19:33,516 Speaker 1: He didn't want to go look there. He had to 283 00:19:33,556 --> 00:19:37,476 Speaker 1: be convinced. Royal was trying to make the argument. Sergeant 284 00:19:37,496 --> 00:19:40,656 Speaker 1: Wright was trying to make the argument. They did have 285 00:19:40,676 --> 00:19:43,996 Speaker 1: a pretty heated exchange about whether there was any reason 286 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:49,066 Speaker 1: to go back there. And ultimately, Ty Barry capitulated and said, fine, 287 00:19:49,106 --> 00:19:49,786 Speaker 1: let's just go. 288 00:19:52,066 --> 00:19:55,686 Speaker 3: It turned out that Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal were right. 289 00:19:56,586 --> 00:19:59,086 Speaker 3: The team arrested Rauta with a carbine and nine milliliters 290 00:19:59,436 --> 00:20:03,816 Speaker 3: ammunition exactly where Sergeant Wright thought he would be. And 291 00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:06,416 Speaker 3: the Lost Hills captain bought everyone dinner to celebrate. 292 00:20:07,676 --> 00:20:10,736 Speaker 1: My impression of Ty Berry and the other detectives from 293 00:20:10,756 --> 00:20:14,776 Speaker 1: major crimes who were eating dinner with us downstairs was 294 00:20:14,876 --> 00:20:18,296 Speaker 1: they weren't very happy about things that had gone down 295 00:20:18,336 --> 00:20:23,946 Speaker 1: that day. I think it was unsaid that they were 296 00:20:24,526 --> 00:20:28,716 Speaker 1: embarrassed that Lieutenant Royal and Sergeant Wright had been correct 297 00:20:29,336 --> 00:20:32,696 Speaker 1: about the area of where the suspect might be found 298 00:20:32,716 --> 00:20:36,836 Speaker 1: and that the suspect was found. Sergeant Wright's position was, 299 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,676 Speaker 1: we're just going to keep our head down. We're going 300 00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:42,156 Speaker 1: to do everything that we're supposed to do. We're going 301 00:20:42,176 --> 00:20:43,376 Speaker 1: to do it by the book and we're not going 302 00:20:43,396 --> 00:20:46,226 Speaker 1: to play any games and just whatever happens, happens. 303 00:20:49,646 --> 00:20:52,866 Speaker 3: After the capture, he says, the tensions between Sergeant Wright 304 00:20:52,926 --> 00:20:58,296 Speaker 3: and Detective Barry intensified. And suddenly, Sergeant Wright's work on 305 00:20:58,336 --> 00:21:00,696 Speaker 3: the Rauta case was falling under suspicion. 306 00:21:01,816 --> 00:21:04,856 Speaker 1: This is where I believe, and I don't know how quickly, 307 00:21:04,876 --> 00:21:09,656 Speaker 1: that they attempted to create a narrative that he was 308 00:21:09,756 --> 00:21:15,526 Speaker 1: acting rogue, which in my opinion would be a falsehood. 309 00:21:18,066 --> 00:21:20,416 Speaker 3: I asked Glitman what he thought when Sergeant Wright and 310 00:21:20,456 --> 00:21:23,196 Speaker 3: Lieutenant Royal were transferred out of Lost Hill Station and 311 00:21:23,576 --> 00:21:25,596 Speaker 3: ultimately disciplined for their work on the case. 312 00:21:27,636 --> 00:21:31,816 Speaker 1: This is payback. To me, it was just sheerly punitive. 313 00:21:32,516 --> 00:21:34,036 Speaker 3: To punish them for succeeding? 314 00:21:34,956 --> 00:21:35,256 Speaker 6: Yes. 315 00:21:36,276 --> 00:21:40,896 Speaker 1: And by extension, I'll make the extension, in my personal opinion, 316 00:21:42,276 --> 00:21:44,896 Speaker 1: by making major crimes look bad. 317 00:21:49,156 --> 00:21:52,356 Speaker 3: This is more than just office politics, and it's more 318 00:21:52,396 --> 00:21:57,736 Speaker 3: than straightforward retaliation. There's another layer to it. It could 319 00:21:57,796 --> 00:22:10,386 Speaker 3: serve a larger purpose for the sheriff's department. Sergeant Wright 320 00:22:10,426 --> 00:22:12,446 Speaker 3: tells me to meet him at an old stucco house 321 00:22:12,506 --> 00:22:15,586 Speaker 3: with a drained swimming pool across from some box stores 322 00:22:15,746 --> 00:22:21,696 Speaker 3: in the valley. It's his lawyer's office. Um, do you 323 00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,056 Speaker 3: want to get. 324 00:22:23,156 --> 00:22:24,356 Speaker 6: Are you guys ready to get going? 325 00:22:25,236 --> 00:22:28,256 Speaker 3: The real reason the department punished him and Lieutenant Royal, 326 00:22:28,336 --> 00:22:30,506 Speaker 3: he says, is that they saw a pattern in the 327 00:22:30,546 --> 00:22:34,186 Speaker 3: shootings and they tried to do something about it. They 328 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:37,966 Speaker 3: begged their bosses to warn the public before Tristan Beaudet 329 00:22:37,986 --> 00:22:40,976 Speaker 3: was killed, and the department said no. 330 00:22:42,896 --> 00:22:47,096 Speaker 8: It was my opinion and Lieutenant Royal's opinion that there 331 00:22:47,136 --> 00:22:52,326 Speaker 8: was a clear pattern and a clear... M.O. to indicate 332 00:22:52,366 --> 00:22:54,466 Speaker 8: that we had a serial shooter and that the public 333 00:22:54,486 --> 00:22:56,346 Speaker 8: should be warned. There was no reason not to warn 334 00:22:56,386 --> 00:23:00,866 Speaker 8: the public. We could still investigate the crime, but by 335 00:23:00,906 --> 00:23:04,716 Speaker 8: warning the public, people could choose to stay away. 336 00:23:06,156 --> 00:23:09,596 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright says he and Lieutenant Royal first asked the 337 00:23:09,636 --> 00:23:12,756 Speaker 3: then-captain of Lost Hills Station to issue a public warning, 338 00:23:13,436 --> 00:23:17,096 Speaker 3: but he turned them down. So Lieutenant Royal took his 339 00:23:17,136 --> 00:23:22,386 Speaker 3: concerns downtown. That was in the summer of 2017, after 340 00:23:22,426 --> 00:23:26,586 Speaker 3: the fifth near miss, the teenagers in the BMW. He 341 00:23:26,646 --> 00:23:30,016 Speaker 3: met with his division chief and his commander. That's as 342 00:23:30,096 --> 00:23:32,256 Speaker 3: high up in the command structure as you can go 343 00:23:32,676 --> 00:23:36,916 Speaker 3: without meeting the actual sheriff or his cabinet. Lieutenant Royal 344 00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:40,126 Speaker 3: asked for help and again requested that the department issue 345 00:23:40,146 --> 00:23:44,886 Speaker 3: a warning. But Sergeant Wright says Royal was turned down again. 346 00:23:46,306 --> 00:23:49,406 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright was baffled. The bosses said they didn't have 347 00:23:49,446 --> 00:23:52,126 Speaker 3: enough to go on. What were they not seeing? 348 00:23:53,746 --> 00:23:57,086 Speaker 8: It just seemed like the most obvious common sense thing 349 00:23:57,146 --> 00:23:59,046 Speaker 8: to me. I mean, you hear about law enforcement all 350 00:23:59,086 --> 00:24:01,846 Speaker 8: the time warning the public when there's a serial rapist 351 00:24:01,876 --> 00:24:05,016 Speaker 8: in a particular neighborhood. It comes out on the news. 352 00:24:05,096 --> 00:24:08,996 Speaker 8: They put out flyers. They have sometimes town hall meetings 353 00:24:09,076 --> 00:24:12,796 Speaker 8: about it. The bottom line is people that were driving 354 00:24:12,836 --> 00:24:16,286 Speaker 8: through Malibu Canyon, in our eyes, were at risk of 355 00:24:16,326 --> 00:24:19,416 Speaker 8: being shot at or camping in the campground. And it's 356 00:24:19,436 --> 00:24:22,716 Speaker 8: quite simple. If we had done a public safety message 357 00:24:22,856 --> 00:24:25,716 Speaker 8: telling people what was going on, people could have chosen 358 00:24:25,776 --> 00:24:29,116 Speaker 8: not to drive by there or not to go camping there. 359 00:24:30,576 --> 00:24:31,396 Speaker 8: And quite frankly. 360 00:24:31,416 --> 00:24:33,386 Speaker 3: You basically saw it was a ticking time bomb. Someone 361 00:24:33,426 --> 00:24:34,346 Speaker 3: was going to get killed. 362 00:24:34,846 --> 00:24:35,426 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 363 00:24:35,446 --> 00:24:36,386 Speaker 3: If the public wasn't warned. 364 00:24:37,566 --> 00:24:40,546 Speaker 8: Royal and I both agreed to that. This was a 365 00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:44,966 Speaker 8: very bad call that the Sheriff's Department... chose to ignore 366 00:24:44,986 --> 00:24:48,546 Speaker 8: our request to provide a public safety message. 367 00:24:49,486 --> 00:24:52,286 Speaker 3: Because Tristan Beaudet didn't know about the history of shootings 368 00:24:52,326 --> 00:24:55,586 Speaker 3: in the park, he decided to go camping there. And 369 00:24:55,626 --> 00:25:00,176 Speaker 3: he got killed. Can you talk about how you felt 370 00:25:00,236 --> 00:25:02,536 Speaker 3: when you got that call? And I know you responded 371 00:25:02,556 --> 00:25:03,236 Speaker 3: to the scene. 372 00:25:04,716 --> 00:25:05,056 Speaker 1: Yes. 373 00:25:05,656 --> 00:25:11,716 Speaker 8: Lieutenant Royal called me in, and we both felt sickened. 374 00:25:12,106 --> 00:25:15,346 Speaker 8: because we talked about this happening. We talked about that, 375 00:25:15,506 --> 00:25:18,496 Speaker 8: we thought, we both agreed that at some point if 376 00:25:18,526 --> 00:25:23,896 Speaker 8: you shoot in enough tents or cars or campsites, chances 377 00:25:24,116 --> 00:25:28,176 Speaker 8: are somebody, some person inside of a car or a 378 00:25:28,236 --> 00:25:30,976 Speaker 8: tent is gonna be hit. And when he called me 379 00:25:31,116 --> 00:25:35,776 Speaker 8: and told me, it was surreal because again, we wanted 380 00:25:35,796 --> 00:25:38,956 Speaker 8: to warn the public to prevent this. That was shut 381 00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:40,996 Speaker 8: down and now it was happening. 382 00:25:43,656 --> 00:25:46,056 Speaker 3: He says that if the Sheriff's Department had listened to 383 00:25:46,116 --> 00:25:49,176 Speaker 3: him and Lieutenant Royal and made a public safety announcement, 384 00:25:49,836 --> 00:25:54,416 Speaker 3: Tristan Beaudet would still be alive. So whatever the prosecutor 385 00:25:54,536 --> 00:25:57,296 Speaker 3: or the Sheriff's Department says about Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant 386 00:25:57,336 --> 00:26:01,816 Speaker 3: Royal's police work, it doesn't really matter. It seems like 387 00:26:01,856 --> 00:26:05,336 Speaker 3: they're the heroes here. Or at least they tried to be. 388 00:26:06,556 --> 00:26:10,046 Speaker 8: We work for a great law enforcement agency, and, um, 389 00:26:10,686 --> 00:26:13,766 Speaker 8: I'd never experienced anything like this before, where it seemed, 390 00:26:14,666 --> 00:26:18,446 Speaker 8: things seemed to be out of control at higher levels 391 00:26:19,106 --> 00:26:20,286 Speaker 8: as far as common sense. 392 00:26:30,636 --> 00:26:33,876 Speaker 3: None of this stuff happened under Alex Villanueva's leadership of 393 00:26:33,916 --> 00:26:36,836 Speaker 3: the Sheriff's Department. But it also didn't go away when 394 00:26:36,856 --> 00:26:41,916 Speaker 3: he was elected. Far from it. Six weeks after Villanueva won, 395 00:26:42,316 --> 00:26:46,446 Speaker 3: Erica Wu filed her $ 90 million claim, citing law enforcement's 396 00:26:46,536 --> 00:26:49,226 Speaker 3: failure to warn about a series of shootings in the park. 397 00:26:50,446 --> 00:26:54,946 Speaker 3: And the whole thing became Villanueva's problem. Then Sergeant Wright 398 00:26:54,966 --> 00:27:00,376 Speaker 3: and Lieutenant Royal sued the department as whistleblowers. In his suit, 399 00:27:00,456 --> 00:27:03,716 Speaker 3: Sergeant Wright says the department smeared him and Lieutenant Royal, 400 00:27:04,396 --> 00:27:08,636 Speaker 3: placing them under investigation and working up false internal affairs reports. 401 00:27:09,736 --> 00:27:09,976 Speaker 7: Why? 402 00:27:11,176 --> 00:27:14,016 Speaker 3: To discredit them before they can take the stand for 403 00:27:14,076 --> 00:27:19,486 Speaker 3: Erica Wu. And the alleged source of those reports? Ty Berry, 404 00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:22,966 Speaker 3: the detective with a history of lying and a grudge 405 00:27:23,126 --> 00:27:28,846 Speaker 3: against Sgt. Wright and Lt. Royal for solving the case. Sgt. 406 00:27:28,886 --> 00:27:31,986 Speaker 3: Wright settled his suit, so he can't talk to me anymore. 407 00:27:33,666 --> 00:27:34,026 Speaker 9: Lt. 408 00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:38,216 Speaker 3: Royal's may be heading to trial. But it doesn't stop there. 409 00:27:39,436 --> 00:27:43,156 Speaker 3: there may be one other potential victim of all this maneuvering. 410 00:27:44,636 --> 00:27:50,926 Speaker 3: The criminal case against Anthony Rauta. By making Sergeant Wright 411 00:27:50,986 --> 00:27:54,706 Speaker 3: and Lieutenant Royal look bad, two figures so deeply entwined 412 00:27:54,726 --> 00:27:58,966 Speaker 3: in the case, the Sheriff's Department risks damaging the prosecution. 413 00:28:00,706 --> 00:28:04,926 Speaker 3: Rauta's lawyers have already seized on this. So maybe it's 414 00:28:04,966 --> 00:28:11,616 Speaker 3: not Tweedledee and Tweedledum. but the sheriff's department that's given 415 00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:31,746 Speaker 3: the defense a defense. Finally, I make a plan to 416 00:28:31,806 --> 00:28:36,306 Speaker 3: hike to Rauta's camp with Lou Johnson. He's the guy 417 00:28:36,326 --> 00:28:38,856 Speaker 3: I met with his landlady's son on the Planet of 418 00:28:38,906 --> 00:28:42,906 Speaker 3: the Apes tour at Malibu Creek State Park. He sent 419 00:28:42,946 --> 00:28:46,206 Speaker 3: me those pictures of Rauta's camp right before it burned. 420 00:28:47,206 --> 00:28:49,666 Speaker 3: And that suspicious piece of wood I think could be 421 00:28:49,706 --> 00:28:53,506 Speaker 3: part of a zip gun. He promised to show me 422 00:28:53,546 --> 00:28:57,066 Speaker 3: the way. It's in a forgotten, wild patch of the park. 423 00:28:57,866 --> 00:29:00,266 Speaker 3: I've seen it from the air on that helicopter ride 424 00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:04,156 Speaker 3: with Sergeant Wright. But it'd be impossible to find it 425 00:29:04,216 --> 00:29:09,746 Speaker 3: on foot without a guide. Lou says to meet him 426 00:29:09,786 --> 00:29:12,766 Speaker 3: in Hudson at the Hairpin Turn, the sharp bend in 427 00:29:12,786 --> 00:29:13,686 Speaker 3: Mulholland Highway. 428 00:29:14,686 --> 00:29:18,026 Speaker 9: See that point right there? It's that hill, right over 429 00:29:18,066 --> 00:29:19,246 Speaker 9: there and around the side. 430 00:29:20,446 --> 00:29:24,266 Speaker 3: The sky is overcast and moody, but the hills are lush, 431 00:29:24,726 --> 00:29:29,436 Speaker 3: a super-saturated, storybook spring green, and they're covered with patches 432 00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:31,696 Speaker 3: of orange poppies and purple wildflowers. 433 00:29:32,376 --> 00:29:38,656 Speaker 9: You've probably seen some of the orange California... poppies up there. 434 00:29:39,356 --> 00:29:41,676 Speaker 9: They're popping out where we've never seen them before. 435 00:29:42,666 --> 00:29:45,206 Speaker 3: We follow a dry creek bed to a deer trail, 436 00:29:45,526 --> 00:29:49,436 Speaker 3: which turns sharply uphill and takes us into a small 437 00:29:49,496 --> 00:29:54,226 Speaker 3: grove of oak trees. Their trunks are burned ink black, 438 00:29:55,106 --> 00:29:59,346 Speaker 3: stark against the green grass, still healing from the fire 439 00:29:59,386 --> 00:30:01,286 Speaker 3: that passed through here back in the fall of 2018. 440 00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:02,646 Speaker 3: It was right. 441 00:30:04,986 --> 00:30:05,206 Speaker 10: Here. 442 00:30:05,246 --> 00:30:05,636 Speaker 2: Right here. 443 00:30:08,086 --> 00:30:13,436 Speaker 3: This is it. The place that Rauta spent so many 444 00:30:13,496 --> 00:30:19,016 Speaker 3: nights alone, in a tarp-covered dugout, on a 45-degree pitch, 445 00:30:19,436 --> 00:30:22,896 Speaker 3: hidden in a crease in the hills, where he watched 446 00:30:22,976 --> 00:30:26,476 Speaker 3: the fog rise off Mulholland and listened to the wail 447 00:30:26,516 --> 00:30:29,536 Speaker 3: of the sheriff's patrol cars as they sped through the canyon. 448 00:30:32,556 --> 00:30:32,836 Speaker 10: Yeah. 449 00:30:33,946 --> 00:30:35,906 Speaker 9: Yeah, I recognize this. And this is the tree. 450 00:30:37,026 --> 00:30:41,696 Speaker 5: that used to be standing that was hollow. And there was, like, 451 00:30:41,856 --> 00:30:42,496 Speaker 5: stuff in there. 452 00:30:44,216 --> 00:30:46,516 Speaker 3: I asked Lou about the day he took those pictures 453 00:30:46,556 --> 00:30:49,536 Speaker 3: he sent me. He says he was looking for clues 454 00:30:49,576 --> 00:30:52,406 Speaker 3: he could turn in to the Lost Hills deputies, a 455 00:30:52,466 --> 00:30:54,906 Speaker 3: real-life Hardy Boys adventure for Hudson. 456 00:30:56,346 --> 00:30:59,406 Speaker 4: You know, we had thoughts that if we found anything, 457 00:31:00,506 --> 00:31:03,696 Speaker 4: Hudson and I said, well, we'll take pictures of where 458 00:31:03,766 --> 00:31:06,846 Speaker 4: it is, mark it, get a GPS we won't touch 459 00:31:06,886 --> 00:31:09,106 Speaker 4: anything and we'll just get it to the sheriff and 460 00:31:09,126 --> 00:31:10,166 Speaker 4: they can come out and get it and it would 461 00:31:10,186 --> 00:31:12,466 Speaker 4: be kind of cool to maybe help out a little 462 00:31:12,486 --> 00:31:13,706 Speaker 4: bit if they missed something. 463 00:31:15,666 --> 00:31:18,526 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about that carved up piece of wood with 464 00:31:18,546 --> 00:31:20,766 Speaker 3: the grip and the notches and the place where a 465 00:31:20,806 --> 00:31:24,286 Speaker 3: barrel made from pipe could go the cops and their 466 00:31:24,326 --> 00:31:28,426 Speaker 3: metal detectors left it behind Lou spotted it and took 467 00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:30,406 Speaker 3: a picture of it but he doesn't seem to have 468 00:31:30,446 --> 00:31:34,646 Speaker 3: recognized it for what it was potentially part of a 469 00:31:34,666 --> 00:31:35,266 Speaker 3: zip gun. 470 00:31:38,226 --> 00:31:40,066 Speaker 5: You know, it's such a strange thing to descend on 471 00:31:40,106 --> 00:31:43,726 Speaker 5: a community, like out of a fiction story, some crazy 472 00:31:43,766 --> 00:31:45,286 Speaker 5: living up in the mountains shooting at people. 473 00:31:45,366 --> 00:31:48,766 Speaker 9: You know, that's just movies. It's not often real life. 474 00:31:52,086 --> 00:31:54,546 Speaker 3: We sit awkwardly on the steep slope, looking at the 475 00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:58,216 Speaker 3: canyon road, where the three white cars were shot. The 476 00:31:58,256 --> 00:32:02,156 Speaker 3: road is easily visible from here. To my left, a 477 00:32:02,176 --> 00:32:06,846 Speaker 3: couple ridges away, is Lost Hills Station. It's kind of 478 00:32:06,886 --> 00:32:08,006 Speaker 3: the perfect hiding place. 479 00:32:09,186 --> 00:32:12,386 Speaker 9: This is it. And if you sit here for long enough, 480 00:32:12,406 --> 00:32:16,946 Speaker 9: you realize two things. You can see people coming from 481 00:32:17,206 --> 00:32:20,406 Speaker 9: all directions. You can hear people talking because this is 482 00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:22,896 Speaker 9: shaped like a megaphone. So you will be able to 483 00:32:22,936 --> 00:32:26,276 Speaker 9: hear people coming long before you can see them even. 484 00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:28,956 Speaker 9: And I think that's probably why he picked this position. 485 00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:36,336 Speaker 3: This, I guess, was Rauta's personal Eden. or his private hell. 486 00:32:38,516 --> 00:32:41,436 Speaker 3: The fire that tore through here made it an actual hell, 487 00:32:42,496 --> 00:32:45,556 Speaker 3: a fiery inferno. It burned everything. 488 00:32:46,896 --> 00:32:52,696 Speaker 5: Then the rains came, and everything's exploded, and it's green again, 489 00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:57,736 Speaker 5: and it's more beautiful than I remember it, actually. It's 490 00:32:57,816 --> 00:33:02,106 Speaker 5: been like this rebirth, like this phoenix, like... As much 491 00:33:02,166 --> 00:33:03,966 Speaker 5: as we might even want to come back and visit 492 00:33:04,026 --> 00:33:08,556 Speaker 5: this site and show you where this was, nature has 493 00:33:08,696 --> 00:33:15,136 Speaker 5: moved on. It's like we're not allowed to visit that anymore. 494 00:33:16,936 --> 00:33:18,056 Speaker 9: Move on, you know? 495 00:33:24,686 --> 00:33:29,306 Speaker 3: When we leave, it feels settled. Like peace has been 496 00:33:29,326 --> 00:33:52,236 Speaker 3: restored to this place. I don't think I'll ever understand 497 00:33:52,276 --> 00:33:55,116 Speaker 3: why the Sheriff's Department and the Parks Department didn't issue 498 00:33:55,156 --> 00:33:57,376 Speaker 3: a warning after a bunch of shootings in the area. 499 00:33:58,196 --> 00:34:04,416 Speaker 3: Image protection? Denial? Laziness? Rangers at Malibu Creek State Park 500 00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:08,086 Speaker 3: repeatedly told victims and their families, things like this don't 501 00:34:08,146 --> 00:34:12,706 Speaker 3: happen out here. When I asked California State Parks one 502 00:34:12,746 --> 00:34:16,486 Speaker 3: last time for comment, they called it, quote, a terrible 503 00:34:16,546 --> 00:34:20,766 Speaker 3: tragedy without precedent in the state park system. In other words, 504 00:34:21,386 --> 00:34:25,626 Speaker 3: things like this don't happen out here. They directed me 505 00:34:25,666 --> 00:34:29,816 Speaker 3: to the Sheriff's Department, who sent me two sentences. Quote, 506 00:34:30,386 --> 00:34:33,446 Speaker 3: At this time, many of these assertions are unsupported and 507 00:34:33,486 --> 00:34:35,606 Speaker 3: appear to have been made by a retired employee who 508 00:34:35,666 --> 00:34:38,466 Speaker 3: is not part of the investigative team. This is an 509 00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:42,516 Speaker 3: active criminal investigation with pending litigation and we cannot provide 510 00:34:42,556 --> 00:34:50,096 Speaker 3: further comment. So all I can do is guess. Maybe 511 00:34:50,116 --> 00:34:53,326 Speaker 3: they didn't want to start a panic in Malibu. That 512 00:34:53,346 --> 00:34:56,906 Speaker 3: didn't go so well. Maybe they wanted to protect the 513 00:34:56,926 --> 00:35:01,726 Speaker 3: reputation of this mythically beautiful, safe place. That didn't go 514 00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:07,246 Speaker 3: so well either. So how did Malibu turn into the 515 00:35:07,286 --> 00:35:11,996 Speaker 3: killing zone? Shootings started in a state park, and park 516 00:35:12,036 --> 00:35:16,816 Speaker 3: officials hushed the problem up. The shootings spread to the 517 00:35:16,856 --> 00:35:20,936 Speaker 3: nearby Canyon Road, and the sheriff's department ignored the local deputies, 518 00:35:21,316 --> 00:35:25,526 Speaker 3: who said the public needed to be warned. Then, a 519 00:35:25,566 --> 00:35:29,686 Speaker 3: man was killed. A suspect was taken into custody, but 520 00:35:29,726 --> 00:35:33,326 Speaker 3: the public no longer trusted the authorities. The case was 521 00:35:33,386 --> 00:35:37,626 Speaker 3: full of holes and missed opportunities. Potential evidence was overlooked, 522 00:35:38,226 --> 00:35:42,996 Speaker 3: burned up. The crimes Rout is accused of have a 523 00:35:43,046 --> 00:35:47,816 Speaker 3: random quality, but once they started, they were also highly predictable. 524 00:35:48,776 --> 00:35:52,816 Speaker 3: Like the wildfires that ravage Malibu every several years, and 525 00:35:52,836 --> 00:35:55,706 Speaker 3: the mountain lions that, once in a while, prey upon 526 00:35:55,746 --> 00:36:00,646 Speaker 3: a household pet. The sheriff's department chose not to issue 527 00:36:00,686 --> 00:36:05,466 Speaker 3: a warning, but they did send a clear message. To 528 00:36:05,486 --> 00:36:09,746 Speaker 3: the public, the message was, Malibu is full of mysteries. 529 00:36:11,126 --> 00:36:16,046 Speaker 3: The roads are dark. Cell phones never work. Sound echoes 530 00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:19,426 Speaker 3: in the canyon. It's a mountain lion, not a woman 531 00:36:19,446 --> 00:36:23,666 Speaker 3: screaming for her life. To their deputies, the message was, 532 00:36:24,376 --> 00:36:26,656 Speaker 3: If you do your job, if you try to stop 533 00:36:26,696 --> 00:36:31,476 Speaker 3: a murder, you'll get punished, run out of the department, smeared. 534 00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:37,086 Speaker 3: To the criminals, out here, some things don't get solved. 535 00:36:37,986 --> 00:36:40,166 Speaker 3: So if you want to commit a crime, you might 536 00:36:40,186 --> 00:36:46,546 Speaker 3: get away with it. And to Erica Wu, we didn't 537 00:36:46,686 --> 00:36:49,526 Speaker 3: owe you a warning before your husband died, and we 538 00:36:49,646 --> 00:37:44,876 Speaker 3: still don't owe you anything. When I first met Erica, 539 00:37:45,396 --> 00:37:47,056 Speaker 3: she told me something about her husband. 540 00:37:49,836 --> 00:37:50,716 Speaker 4: He had a really, um. 541 00:37:53,006 --> 00:37:55,166 Speaker 7: Sort of keen sense about what he could control and 542 00:37:55,186 --> 00:37:58,876 Speaker 7: what he couldn't. When I would get upset about things, 543 00:37:58,936 --> 00:38:01,576 Speaker 7: like when I would have a bad day at work 544 00:38:01,616 --> 00:38:03,436 Speaker 7: or something and I'd be dwelling on something or some 545 00:38:03,476 --> 00:38:08,476 Speaker 7: interaction I had, you know, he would always listen to me, um, 546 00:38:09,716 --> 00:38:13,356 Speaker 7: talk about it. And he would, he'd be like, right, Erica, 547 00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:15,136 Speaker 7: you get, you know, he'd look at his watch and 548 00:38:15,156 --> 00:38:17,496 Speaker 7: he'd be like, you get two more hours to be 549 00:38:17,536 --> 00:38:21,256 Speaker 7: upset about this, you know? You can be as upset 550 00:38:21,276 --> 00:38:23,256 Speaker 7: as you want to be, you know, for that amount 551 00:38:23,296 --> 00:38:24,916 Speaker 7: of time. And then after that, we're going to figure out, 552 00:38:25,596 --> 00:38:27,196 Speaker 7: you know, what you're going to do differently next time 553 00:38:27,236 --> 00:38:29,216 Speaker 7: or whatever. And we're just going to move on. 554 00:38:33,376 --> 00:38:35,296 Speaker 3: I asked her if she could still hear that voice 555 00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:35,876 Speaker 3: in her ear. 556 00:38:39,626 --> 00:38:40,366 Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure. 557 00:38:40,446 --> 00:38:43,126 Speaker 7: Because, you know, I feel like if he were here, 558 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:48,486 Speaker 7: if he could see us now, he would be like, yeah, that's, 559 00:38:49,336 --> 00:38:52,296 Speaker 7: you know, unbelievably awful and tragic and horrible what happened, 560 00:38:52,316 --> 00:38:56,596 Speaker 7: but you have to, you. 561 00:38:54,896 --> 00:38:55,996 Speaker 2: Have to move on, you know? 562 00:38:56,016 --> 00:38:59,786 Speaker 7: So that's what I'm trying to do. 563 00:39:19,756 --> 00:39:23,236 Speaker 3: At the end of February 2021, I have a surprising 564 00:39:23,296 --> 00:39:29,196 Speaker 3: call with Erica. Surprising because she sounds lighter, more optimistic 565 00:39:29,236 --> 00:39:32,246 Speaker 3: than I've ever heard her. She tells me she is 566 00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:36,206 Speaker 3: moving on, to another place, a bigger unit in the 567 00:39:36,246 --> 00:39:39,086 Speaker 3: same complex. The girls are excited. 568 00:39:40,696 --> 00:39:43,616 Speaker 10: You know, any kind of change like that is exciting 569 00:39:43,656 --> 00:39:46,816 Speaker 10: for them, so they're trying to decide right now whether 570 00:39:46,856 --> 00:39:48,996 Speaker 10: or not they're going to be in the same room 571 00:39:49,036 --> 00:39:51,536 Speaker 10: still or still be in a bunk bed or have 572 00:39:51,576 --> 00:39:54,336 Speaker 10: separate beds, but we haven't quite figured that out yet. 573 00:39:55,756 --> 00:39:59,206 Speaker 3: Her own feelings, she says... are more complicated. 574 00:40:00,266 --> 00:40:02,786 Speaker 10: When I sort of was starting to think about moving 575 00:40:03,146 --> 00:40:05,326 Speaker 10: and packing everything up again, it sort of brought up 576 00:40:05,366 --> 00:40:08,866 Speaker 10: a lot from our last move, which was, you know, 577 00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:12,366 Speaker 10: right after Tristan died. And that was really, you know, 578 00:40:12,406 --> 00:40:14,766 Speaker 10: I remember very little of it because it was such 579 00:40:14,806 --> 00:40:16,586 Speaker 10: a big fog. You know, it's bringing up a lot 580 00:40:16,606 --> 00:40:19,546 Speaker 10: of that. And then also the feeling that it is 581 00:40:19,586 --> 00:40:21,156 Speaker 10: a change. You know, this is the first time that 582 00:40:21,176 --> 00:40:24,216 Speaker 10: I'm actually doing a move on my own and setting up, 583 00:40:24,816 --> 00:40:27,156 Speaker 10: you know, a new place on my own, which I 584 00:40:27,176 --> 00:40:30,146 Speaker 10: haven't done without Tristan sort of ever. 585 00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:35,186 Speaker 3: She's been confronting the past, all the stuff she shoved 586 00:40:35,206 --> 00:40:37,736 Speaker 3: into boxes in the garage when her sisters moved her 587 00:40:37,816 --> 00:40:40,036 Speaker 3: up here, right after Tristan died. 588 00:40:41,136 --> 00:40:45,436 Speaker 10: Over the weekend, I finally opened these boxes from Tristan's office, 589 00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:50,066 Speaker 10: and it was all of his textbooks and papers that 590 00:40:50,106 --> 00:40:53,386 Speaker 10: he had written and notebooks where he had jotted down notes, 591 00:40:53,446 --> 00:40:57,106 Speaker 10: and I was just flipping through it just to read. 592 00:40:58,086 --> 00:41:00,346 Speaker 10: Things that he had written, you know, like with his 593 00:41:00,386 --> 00:41:03,206 Speaker 10: hands or thoughts that he was having that day or, 594 00:41:04,606 --> 00:41:07,486 Speaker 10: you know, putting, jotting down notes about his next project. 595 00:41:07,586 --> 00:41:10,476 Speaker 10: And I mean, things like that. I just, I don't know. 596 00:41:10,506 --> 00:41:11,576 Speaker 10: You can't throw those away yet. 597 00:41:12,936 --> 00:41:15,896 Speaker 3: Erica says that she tries hard to keep Tristan present 598 00:41:15,936 --> 00:41:16,476 Speaker 3: for the girls. 599 00:41:16,496 --> 00:41:19,496 Speaker 10: You know, they were so young when he died. You know, 600 00:41:19,536 --> 00:41:22,756 Speaker 10: Evie was only two. She wasn't even talking. I think 601 00:41:23,106 --> 00:41:25,866 Speaker 10: for a long time, just because of what happened, Clara 602 00:41:25,906 --> 00:41:29,746 Speaker 10: had a really hard time with it. She draws, she 603 00:41:29,786 --> 00:41:31,466 Speaker 10: does a lot of art. And I noticed that in 604 00:41:31,506 --> 00:41:35,506 Speaker 10: the past six months or so, when she draws pictures 605 00:41:35,546 --> 00:41:39,046 Speaker 10: of the family, he's back in the pictures again. And 606 00:41:39,086 --> 00:41:41,446 Speaker 10: for a long time, he wasn't. And then just sort 607 00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:44,146 Speaker 10: of one day, and I can't remember what holiday it was, 608 00:41:44,186 --> 00:41:46,586 Speaker 10: she was drawing something. Either it was like a birthday 609 00:41:46,626 --> 00:41:50,566 Speaker 10: card for her sister, or maybe it was like around 610 00:41:50,586 --> 00:41:53,856 Speaker 10: Christmas time that she was doing it. And suddenly he 611 00:41:53,896 --> 00:41:59,016 Speaker 10: was just, yeah, just like back in the pictures. And 612 00:41:59,076 --> 00:42:01,636 Speaker 10: it sort of, I don't know, it seemed very like, 613 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:03,536 Speaker 10: you know, I could have was like, oh. 614 00:42:03,576 --> 00:42:04,356 Speaker 3: You drew everybody. 615 00:42:04,416 --> 00:42:05,596 Speaker 10: And she was like, yeah. You know, it was just 616 00:42:05,636 --> 00:42:08,076 Speaker 10: sort of a natural thing for her. 617 00:42:11,026 --> 00:42:15,326 Speaker 3: Tristan's birthday was in November. There have been three already 618 00:42:15,386 --> 00:42:19,826 Speaker 3: since he died. It's a day, Erica says, that she 619 00:42:19,866 --> 00:42:23,356 Speaker 3: and the girls always spend together, doing things Tristan loved. 620 00:42:24,736 --> 00:42:26,956 Speaker 10: The week leading up to it will sort of talk 621 00:42:27,016 --> 00:42:31,356 Speaker 10: about the fact that his birthday is coming up and go, 622 00:42:31,536 --> 00:42:33,476 Speaker 10: you know, make a list sort of like, what would, 623 00:42:33,896 --> 00:42:35,956 Speaker 10: what would he want us to do, you know, since 624 00:42:35,976 --> 00:42:38,676 Speaker 10: he's not here and what were the things. 625 00:42:38,516 --> 00:42:39,516 Speaker 7: That he loved to do? 626 00:42:39,516 --> 00:42:42,896 Speaker 10: It could be like, you know, drink coffee, eat broccoli, 627 00:42:43,076 --> 00:42:49,256 Speaker 10: go hiking, be in nature, be kind, um, be with 628 00:42:49,316 --> 00:42:52,916 Speaker 10: each other, read a book, you know, like just anything 629 00:42:52,936 --> 00:42:54,616 Speaker 10: that comes to mind, I would make this, I made 630 00:42:54,636 --> 00:42:58,076 Speaker 10: this huge list and, then on that day we would 631 00:42:58,116 --> 00:42:59,826 Speaker 10: like pick one or two of them or whatever we 632 00:42:59,846 --> 00:43:05,986 Speaker 10: thought was manageable. So this last time we went up to, 633 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,366 Speaker 10: you know, north of the city, there's a Redwood State 634 00:43:09,406 --> 00:43:12,276 Speaker 10: Park that actually Tristan and I used to go hiking 635 00:43:12,316 --> 00:43:14,916 Speaker 10: at a lot and that we loved. So I took 636 00:43:14,936 --> 00:43:18,316 Speaker 10: them there and we went on a, unintentionally we went 637 00:43:18,356 --> 00:43:20,256 Speaker 10: on like a six and a half mile hike. 638 00:43:20,276 --> 00:43:21,416 Speaker 7: I got kind of lost. 639 00:43:23,096 --> 00:43:27,466 Speaker 3: They got lost, but they found their way back. And then, 640 00:43:28,386 --> 00:43:32,306 Speaker 3: on the way home, they stopped at the beach. She 641 00:43:32,366 --> 00:43:33,826 Speaker 3: had Tristan's ashes with her. 642 00:43:35,766 --> 00:43:37,376 Speaker 10: I mean, that's been another thing that I've sort of 643 00:43:37,416 --> 00:43:41,896 Speaker 10: struggled with ever since he passed, was what to do 644 00:43:41,936 --> 00:43:44,556 Speaker 10: with the ashes and where to spread them, where it 645 00:43:44,596 --> 00:43:47,736 Speaker 10: hadn't really, nothing has sort of felt right to me 646 00:43:47,756 --> 00:43:54,866 Speaker 10: until that day. I actually felt, you know, like it 647 00:43:54,906 --> 00:43:58,776 Speaker 10: just felt right to bring some of them with us, 648 00:44:00,416 --> 00:44:03,716 Speaker 10: to a place that he loved and would have loved 649 00:44:03,756 --> 00:44:08,616 Speaker 10: to be there with them. And we took them and 650 00:44:08,936 --> 00:44:09,756 Speaker 10: spread them on the beach. 651 00:44:13,486 --> 00:44:18,026 Speaker 3: And now, when Tristan's daughters play on the beach, running 652 00:44:18,066 --> 00:44:21,646 Speaker 3: in and out of the waves, they'll be remembering their father, 653 00:44:22,876 --> 00:44:56,006 Speaker 3: and he'll still be the one chasing after them. Lost 654 00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:59,686 Speaker 3: Hills is reported, written, and hosted by me, Dana Goodyear. 655 00:45:00,586 --> 00:45:04,416 Speaker 3: It was edited by Ben Adair. Haley Fox produced the 656 00:45:04,436 --> 00:45:08,356 Speaker 3: show and also contributed a ton of additional reporting. Dan 657 00:45:08,376 --> 00:45:12,076 Speaker 3: Leone is our composer and sound designer. Alex McGinnis is 658 00:45:12,116 --> 00:45:16,566 Speaker 3: our mix engineer. Additional producers are Cameron Kell, Lori Gallaretta, 659 00:45:16,876 --> 00:45:20,926 Speaker 3: Annette Renhal, and Sabrina Fang. Micah Hauser is our fact checker. 660 00:45:21,796 --> 00:45:25,716 Speaker 3: Anthony Rauta's writings were performed by Nick Borain. Our cover 661 00:45:25,796 --> 00:45:30,506 Speaker 3: art was made by Francesca Gabbiani. Executive producers are Ben 662 00:45:30,546 --> 00:45:33,946 Speaker 3: Adair for Western Sound and Jacob Weisberg and Lital Malad 663 00:45:34,106 --> 00:45:39,006 Speaker 3: for Pushkin Industries. Thanks also to the Pushkin team. Mia Lobel, 664 00:45:39,246 --> 00:45:44,266 Speaker 3: Heather Fane, John Schnarz, Carly Migliore, Eric Sandler, Maggie Taylor, 665 00:45:44,486 --> 00:45:49,656 Speaker 3: and Daniela Lacan. Special thanks to Julia Barton and Kate Parkinson-Morgan. 666 00:45:50,716 --> 00:45:53,936 Speaker 3: Lost Hills is a production of Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. 667 00:45:55,896 --> 00:45:58,756 Speaker 3: Follow at Lost Hills Pod on social media to find 668 00:45:58,836 --> 00:46:01,606 Speaker 3: out about bonus episodes and stay up to date as 669 00:46:01,726 --> 00:46:06,426 Speaker 3: Anthony Rauta heads to trial. To find more Pushkin podcasts, 670 00:46:06,706 --> 00:46:10,186 Speaker 3: listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 671 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:18,036 Speaker 3: listen to podcasts. Season two of Lost Hills is coming soon. 911, 672 00:46:22,496 --> 00:46:23,376 Speaker 3: what is your emergency? 673 00:46:24,066 --> 00:46:28,386 Speaker 10: Just a shot fired in... How many shots did you hear? 674 00:46:28,606 --> 00:46:30,546 Speaker 7: Just one huge, loud one. 675 00:46:31,806 --> 00:46:34,126 Speaker 8: And it was not a backfire, because I hear those 676 00:46:34,206 --> 00:46:37,726 Speaker 8: from the highway. So it seemed to be in between. 677 00:46:38,126 --> 00:46:40,876 Speaker 10: Are you familiar with what a gun sounds like? Oh, yes. 678 00:46:41,076 --> 00:46:41,756 Speaker 10: On what street? 679 00:46:42,396 --> 00:46:43,396 Speaker 1: It's not in the street. 680 00:46:43,456 --> 00:46:46,036 Speaker 4: It's in the canyon, in the wilderness. 681 00:46:46,516 --> 00:46:48,756 Speaker 8: Okay. Did it sound like a pistol, shotgun? 682 00:46:49,056 --> 00:46:49,596 Speaker 10: Shotgun. 683 00:46:52,936 --> 00:46:56,516 Speaker 3: Since Anthony Rauta's arrest, I haven't heard any new reports 684 00:46:56,556 --> 00:47:00,506 Speaker 3: of pre-dawn sniper-style shootings in the area. But there are 685 00:47:00,626 --> 00:47:04,406 Speaker 3: still shots in the night. And very likely, this will 686 00:47:04,426 --> 00:47:08,246 Speaker 3: be a plank of his defense when his trial finally begins. 687 00:47:09,806 --> 00:47:13,126 Speaker 6: You know, it's like there's a lot of mystery still 688 00:47:13,186 --> 00:47:13,606 Speaker 6: in there. 689 00:47:14,286 --> 00:47:17,236 Speaker 3: That's Kara Hartley again, the hiker who found a box 690 00:47:17,256 --> 00:47:18,896 Speaker 3: of shotgun shells at Rauta's camp. 691 00:47:19,756 --> 00:47:20,376 Speaker 4: And there's been. 692 00:47:21,396 --> 00:47:25,666 Speaker 6: A lot of unexplained oddities that have happened up here 693 00:47:25,686 --> 00:47:30,246 Speaker 6: in the hills. And several murders and several bodies found 694 00:47:30,266 --> 00:47:33,866 Speaker 6: that are really, that are unsolved. People that are still 695 00:47:33,986 --> 00:47:39,216 Speaker 6: missing that haven't been found. And very odd accounts of 696 00:47:39,256 --> 00:47:44,236 Speaker 6: their disappearances. And so, I mean, this just kind of 697 00:47:45,076 --> 00:47:48,066 Speaker 6: is one of them. And one of many more. 698 00:47:49,956 --> 00:47:53,836 Speaker 3: To her, the six near-misses and the Beaudet murder don't 699 00:47:53,936 --> 00:47:59,116 Speaker 3: feel like an aberration. They represent the real Malibu, the 700 00:47:59,136 --> 00:48:03,356 Speaker 3: Malibu no one talks about. Anthony Rauta may be in custody, 701 00:48:03,896 --> 00:48:08,116 Speaker 3: but Malibu is still the killing zone. And what happened 702 00:48:08,176 --> 00:48:12,556 Speaker 3: out there, in that no-man's land, could easily happen again. 703 00:48:14,726 --> 00:48:19,836 Speaker 3: I'm Dana Goodyear, and this is Lost Hills.