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Speaker 4: is Saturday, October seventh, and we have got an awesome

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Speaker 4: all kinds of awesome stuff. It's the very hilarious Ian

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Speaker 4: carmel Ian. Thanks for hopping on with us, man.

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Speaker 5: It's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Happy Happy October seven everybody, it's my birthday and two days.

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Speaker 5: Happy early birthday, man.

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Speaker 6: Happy early birthday.

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Speaker 1: Your birthday, they did, and two centers that nobody sure

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Speaker 1: what their place is in the modern MBA.

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Speaker 5: This is an exciting time to be a Blazer.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, Ian the big reason we reached

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Speaker 2: out to you. You know, of course you're fucking hilarious

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Speaker 2: and you get a homie and all that, but you're

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Speaker 2: a Trailblazer super fan, right, like we knew, Like as

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Speaker 2: soon as you know that Dame trade request dropped, we

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Speaker 2: So so, I mean, I'm just curious on your stance

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Speaker 2: feel when he wanted out? You know, how did you

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Speaker 2: feel about the actual process where they were dragging their

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was just up in Portland with some of my

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Speaker 1: talked about to steal something from succession. We've all pre grieved,

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Speaker 1: we all completely pre grieved the Dame thing, almost going

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Speaker 5: And that just couldn't have happened when Dame was there.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to have a direction, like a declared direction

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Speaker 1: We just did not have the talent around Damian Lillard,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's good. It's gonna suck. I think

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Speaker 1: for all those stats but on sixty shots, and that's

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Speaker 5: But I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned how, you know, Heat fans are being dickheads

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Speaker 5: Take time dickheads.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not just dickhead's, big time dickhead Heat culture, Heat culture,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you all and you'll call a duty level dickheads.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You also mentioned how Massivelly Cronin plays in here, So

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Speaker 5: So how rewarding was it? You know, just to see

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Speaker 1: I don't need any presents in two days because I've

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Speaker 5: I want to not be petty.

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Speaker 1: I want to now, especially after I saw that Heat

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Speaker 6: One of the worst jerseys at like a Times New Roman.

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Speaker 6: Like how is that? How does that feel?

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Speaker 1: He did show, like vocally show a lot of love

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Speaker 5: My career is over, beautiful, full.

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Speaker 1: Blown which on which on like our very Caucasian city

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Speaker 6: So I didn't think about that aspect of it.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 6: That is crazy.

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Speaker 4: That would give you a deeper sort of like connection

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Jerome Curzy, may he rest in peace, like

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Speaker 1: that's like if he didn't leave, that's a statue in

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Speaker 3: Do you think at any point you could have put

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Speaker 1: I think if we I think it goes back to

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Speaker 1: that was like, you know, in twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 3: Now that twenty sixteen year, I think, like, didn't Harrison

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Speaker 3: everybody was getting bredded up that year. Yeah, that was Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It was it because they should have That's that whole

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Speaker 1: So like all of a sudden, the Warriors had Kevin

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Speaker 6: Yeah what uh, oh, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: I say so.

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Speaker 2: And now that you know the Dame era is over,

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Speaker 2: rank on like your favorite eras as a Portland Trailblazers fan,

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Speaker 2: because my favorite era was like the jail Blazer's era,

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Speaker 2: Bro David and Sheet and Bonzie and and them, and

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Speaker 2: they were so Funoni.

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Speaker 5: So slept on. Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a Bonzi in my I have a

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, that team was amazing and they were deep.

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Speaker 1: And if it weren't for that fucking shock Kobe, I

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Speaker 5: The fourth quarter when we went up thirteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I punched. I remember.

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Speaker 1: I have a visceral memory of sitting on this like green,

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Speaker 1: We would have won if it weren't for that fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident the we wouldn't be so obsessed with

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Speaker 1: then she Rashid Wallace's. I mean, Damian Lillard has since

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Speaker 1: very very close second place. Especially like if I was

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Speaker 1: the media was obsessed with fucking hating that Blazer's team,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean A A because they were

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Speaker 1: those dudes were fucking up in ways where you're like,

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Speaker 1: come on, man, like we're so close to the championship, Uh.

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Speaker 2: Damon to try to sneak weed through the airport in

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Speaker 5: Those dudes they were crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean we also had Ruben Patterson on that team,

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Speaker 1: of like who's a Rashid is it? Rashid Wallace and

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Speaker 1: Bonzi at the uh Christmas tree there's like some Christmas

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Speaker 5: It's classic.

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Speaker 1: You can like you can tell they showed up like

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Speaker 5: Like ten minutes is there. It's it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Like it might, it might happen. Like I used to

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna stop drinking or or or eating

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, maybe I won't. Maybe I won't

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Speaker 1: So you have to, like when you're in that circumstance,

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Speaker 1: Lillard has given us several of those, and like the

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Speaker 1: Shotover Paul the okay See one and then also the

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Speaker 1: Shotover Chandler Parsons in Houston two series ending three pointers

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Speaker 1: like as time was running out. I got to be

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Speaker 1: there for the Houston one and I watched the Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: City one on TV, Like those are two moments that

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Speaker 1: I got, like as a.

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Speaker 5: Fan where I'm just like, I'll thank you, that's enough.

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Speaker 5: That's enough for me.

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Speaker 4: I was I was gonna ask you what your favorite

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Speaker 4: day moment was looking back, and I would assume it

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Speaker 4: would be one of those one of those too.

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Speaker 1: For me, it was the Houston one because I had

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Speaker 1: just gotten on TV for the first time. They put

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Speaker 1: me on the JumboTron. During that game, I was bringing

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Speaker 1: this girl who, like I had a real will they

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Speaker 1: won't they situation with and I was sitting like eight

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Speaker 1: rows back behind the basket that he hit the three

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Speaker 1: pointer on. So it was like it was one of

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Speaker 1: those like everything's coming up and it was.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing and just to like the it was

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Speaker 1: so loud in the concourse after the game. It was

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Speaker 1: louder in the concourse after that game than I'd ever

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Speaker 1: heard it inside any other arena in my entire life

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Speaker 1: up to that point.

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Speaker 5: People were going fucking crazy. Also then the Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: City Shop though, like it produced like four different memes

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Speaker 1: just off one shot, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: that was amazing. Unfortunately waving bye bye ones that were

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Speaker 1: used against me, not not three years later, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah completely. But yeah, for me, it's the Houston shot

469
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Speaker 1: and then the Okac shot.

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Speaker 5: And then his appearance on PORTLANDA.

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Speaker 3: You know he was on Portlandia. What season was this?

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Speaker 3: It was that kind of off after season two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was after that. LaMarcus Aldridge was

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Speaker 1: on Portlandia. Like Andy, they were grabbing it. I was

475
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Speaker 1: on Portlandia. Our our our mayor who got busted for

476
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Speaker 1: loot like pedophily is the wrong word, but dating like

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old close like everybody was on portland Ya.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't find the mayor episode anymore though they

479
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Speaker 4: had to scrub it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, allegedly, should I say allegedly allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 6: Mayor who resigned in disgrace, that's not alleged that.

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Speaker 1: He resigned in disgrace and then the other stuff is

483
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Speaker 1: allaged and now we're all protected.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're okay the volume, You're good to go.

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Speaker 1: Tami allegedly snuck weed through the airport everything. Yeah, this

486
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: entire podcast is satire.

487
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Speaker 4: I do love the wrapping something that you're like, you

488
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Speaker 4: know what the X rays won't catch is tinfoil.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we enjoyed having a point guard that tries to

491
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Speaker 1: sneak things through airport so much that we went and

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Speaker 1: got Sebastian helf Air.

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Speaker 6: It was damn Bassie proud of this.

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Speaker 3: Still catching them, Still catch a stray at twenty twenty three, see.

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Speaker 4: Y uh we You know we mentioned obviously you're a

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Speaker 4: very funny comedy writer, comedian.

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Speaker 5: I know you got an OK comedy writer comedian. I

498
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Speaker 5: understand where I fall.

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Speaker 4: On the back you're Yeah, you're funny as fuck, and

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Speaker 4: you're and you're a real hoops fan. You're not just

501
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Speaker 4: a casual like, oh, this is a funny thing, like

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Speaker 4: you're talking about being for the young core.

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Speaker 6: That's to the.

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Speaker 1: Detriment of my career. I don't think I can tour

505
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Speaker 1: in Miami for like a generation. I should have played

506
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Speaker 1: it way safer, you know, con forbid me playing like

507
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Speaker 1: any large markets in the playoffs, I'm going to continue

508
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Speaker 1: tanking my career.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well that's good though, you know, it shows that

510
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Speaker 6: you really care. We respect that you.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned you had a nice everything coming up ian moment.

512
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Speaker 4: I feel like all the comedy writers I know about

513
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Speaker 4: as happy as they could be with the new deal.

514
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Speaker 4: To have the strikeover, it was obviously a long haul

515
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Speaker 4: for you guys, But.

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Speaker 6: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, having like you understand as a true psychopathic

518
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Speaker 4: sports fan, but I have to imagine the Dame thing

519
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Speaker 4: being resolved and the strike being resolved within a few

520
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Speaker 4: days of each other is a sexy feeling for you.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it was a very very sexy feeling.

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Speaker 6: As soon.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I saw someone smarter than me tweeting

524
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Speaker 1: that the WGA deal was good, I started selling.

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Speaker 5: When it came out, I was like, uh, all right,

526
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Speaker 5: or uh oh, one of those things I don't like.

527
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Speaker 1: I'm good at putting jokes in scripts, and that's about it.

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Speaker 1: The fact that there are people who are good at

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Speaker 1: writing and understand like intricate business dealings like blows my

530
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Speaker 1: fucking mind. But uh yeah, man, I also kind of

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Speaker 1: think that the two are a little bit like the

532
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Speaker 1: way that they turned out are kind of like connected

533
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Speaker 1: because they were both just a little bit of like

534
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Speaker 1: to the WGA and Joe Cronan with with Damian Lillar

535
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: were just a little bit of like, I'm not I'm waiting,

536
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Speaker 1: I'll wait you out, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of just like not going for the

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Speaker 1: first deal and actually waiting for something that uh, that's

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Speaker 1: that's like better for you. Like, so like both a

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Speaker 1: WGA saying like, no, we're gonna keep striking all through

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Speaker 1: the summer and into the fall, and then Cronan being like, no,

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Speaker 1: we I think we can do better than Tyler Hero

543
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Speaker 1: and you know, two picks they're going to be like

544
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Speaker 1: at the tail end of the first round. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean the strike it turned out great. There was

546
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Speaker 1: a little bit of oh shit, I have to go

547
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Speaker 1: back to work now because I was in a lucky

548
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: position where like the show, I was the head writer

549
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: on the Late Late Show and that ended. We just

550
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Speaker 1: ended our run like three days before the strike started,

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Speaker 1: so then I immediately went on strike. So I've like

552
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Speaker 1: had this combination of being like on a permanent vacation

553
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the strike was over,

554
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Speaker 1: and like my agent and my manager are emailing me

555
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: like great, so, what are we gonna have that writing

556
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: sample to send out to so and so? And can

557
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Speaker 1: we set up meetings in YadA YadA YadA. And it

558
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, I thought I was just gonna

559
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Speaker 1: be able to be on like summer vacation forever.

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Speaker 5: So it's a mixture of like.

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Speaker 1: Relief that we can work and then the terrifying realization

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Speaker 1: that indeed you have to.

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Speaker 6: He had a Joner moment.

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Speaker 5: He had a moment.

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Speaker 1: You can see me walking through Netflix wearing like an

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Speaker 1: unbranded T shirt.

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Speaker 5: Sloping like a.

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Speaker 2: So so you know, like like during the whole process,

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Speaker 2: you know, you being a writer, you being in a

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Speaker 2: comedian light, like what was the pulse of things within

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Speaker 2: your community, like where their towns are, like hell, yeah,

572
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Speaker 2: we're gonna win this show. Where the sounds are like, bro,

573
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Speaker 2: these motherfuckers might just you know, stall us out forever.

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Speaker 1: Anytime it felt like it felt like the uh morale

575
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Speaker 1: was dipping a little bit, the A m TP, a

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Speaker 1: mp T whatever that whatever, the producers would release.

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Speaker 5: Another fucking, stupid, fucking statement.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, if like if like modern era Belichick

579
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Speaker 1: was running their campaign or whatever, like I could have

580
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: thought of a funnier bad coach. Belichick's only doing kind

581
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Speaker 1: of bad. Who's like a terrible NFL coach right now? Inside, Yeah,

582
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Speaker 1: it's like Sean Payton.

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Speaker 5: This is funny.

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Speaker 1: This is uh, this is this is alway people are

585
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Speaker 1: gonna think it's really funny that they get to see

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Speaker 1: the gear starting.

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Speaker 5: They were just fucking they just shot themselves.

588
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Speaker 1: I'd become instantly unfunny whenever I talk about like the

589
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: guild and business doings, just the warning, but they just

590
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: kept shooting themselves in the fucking foot, Like morale would

591
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: start flagging, and then they would be like, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: starve them out of their houses, you know what I mean.

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00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna like we want to break the riders. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hold on until, like you know, they're like sleeping

595
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Speaker 1: in the gutter and eating out of the garbage. It's

596
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: like we got into writing we are comfortable sleeping in

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Speaker 1: the gutter and eating out of the garbage. I was

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Speaker 1: eating out of the garbage as recently as like six

599
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Speaker 1: years ago. You can't scare me with that kind of

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Speaker 1: ship and then they would put up these statements and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like if there was any

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Speaker 1: trace of you know, uh, just like a division among

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Speaker 1: the ranks, like that went away immediately. And also like

604
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: even the most successful writers remember very clearly what it

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Speaker 1: was like being on the come up at least that's

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Speaker 1: been my experience, and talking to people who like they

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Speaker 1: have their house in Malibu and their other house in Malibu,

608
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Speaker 1: Like even like talking to those people, they remember what

609
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Speaker 1: it felt like to be going like paycheck to paycheck.

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Speaker 5: So uh, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Remember every talk talking to anyone who who thought like

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Speaker 1: that the producers were gonna win. It was just like

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Speaker 1: either we get our way or we crashed this car

614
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Speaker 1: into the side of a mountain together.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's how you win a strike. I mean that,

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Speaker 4: you know, like and like you said, it was sort

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Speaker 4: of amazing. We actually talked about that quote that you

618
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Speaker 4: just reference on the show, where it was like, I

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Speaker 4: think it's in this country at the current moment. It's

620
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Speaker 4: always interesting to be in a labor movement because there's

621
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Speaker 4: just like like you see it right now on Twitter

622
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Speaker 4: all the time still with people talking about like fast

623
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Speaker 4: food workers making more money. Everyone's super eager to stab

624
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Speaker 4: each other in the back of this country over pay

625
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Speaker 4: at all times. But it was like they just it

626
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Speaker 4: was like you're the head of Disney and you're acting

627
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Speaker 4: like a Disney villain, Like you're just like you have

628
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Speaker 4: you not seen any of the movies that made your

629
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Speaker 4: company famous where the person who says this stuff becomes

630
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Speaker 4: universally reviled, Like it was. It was just like shocking,

631
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Speaker 4: Like you said, the amount of stupid shit that they said.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like you said.

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Speaker 3: Y'all weren't scared, Like that made everybody else that wasn't

634
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: a writer like, Okay, I don't know if you cared

635
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: or not prior, but now we do, like, fuck this, dude,

636
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: how do we help in some way?

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like they were also it's

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Speaker 5: they're also like I mean they were. There were some

639
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Speaker 5: people you would.

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00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: See like online who were like mad at the writers

641
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: or whatever because they think that they look at the

642
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: people making the absolute most money and they think that's

643
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Speaker 1: representative of like everyone in the writer's guild, you know,

644
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Speaker 1: Like I like I was the you know, for the

645
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: last example, just like five years of my job, I

646
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: was like the head writer on a late night show.

647
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: That's one of the best jobs, right, you know, and

648
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: it's one of the better jobs in the industry, And

649
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: it's the best job for a writer in late night

650
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: And I made good money. But like, like my house

651
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: is it's like eleven hundred square feet, you know what

652
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I was only able to buy it

653
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: at a like year nine of like my job, you like,

654
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: I have a mortgage still I didn't pay it off.

655
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Speaker 1: I drive a twenty twelve Prius with no bumper.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's that's more representative of what like TV writers, even

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Speaker 1: TV writers in like in in the higher positions. That's

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Speaker 1: like a little bit more representative of our lives. The

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Speaker 1: people who created friends those are the like one in

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Speaker 1: a million. Like that's like saying like, oh, these McDonald's

662
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Speaker 1: workers make too much money because look at the CEO,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he's insane, Like.

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Speaker 5: They hit the lottery, you know. And it's like.

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Speaker 1: So so there were I think there were people being

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Speaker 1: like disingenuous about it like that, but it did feel

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Speaker 1: like people were like mostly behind us and and and

668
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Speaker 1: how it should be with pretty much ever late every

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Speaker 1: labor movement, like in the time we were on strike,

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Speaker 1: like nurses back Coman Portland went on strike, the United

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Speaker 1: Autoworkers went on strike. The screen actors the director settled

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Speaker 1: off real quick, but good for them. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: like I think we're learning unfortunately that this is the

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Speaker 1: only language that those people speak. It happens so easy

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Speaker 1: at any point for them to be like, okay, actually,

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Speaker 1: obviously the business model has changed. Let's deal you in

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Speaker 1: on streaming. Let's let's take the residual model, which is

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Speaker 1: the only way that any of us can actually afford

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Speaker 1: to make a living, you know, in between jobs. Like,

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Speaker 1: let's take that in update for twenty twenty three, when

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Speaker 1: fewer people are watching broadcasting, more people watching the streaming.

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Speaker 1: They could have at any moment dealt us into that conversation,

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Speaker 1: but they said, no, we would rather make as much

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Speaker 1: money as we can, you know, until the contract is up,

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Speaker 1: including we were going to go on strike. It seemed

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Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty, right before the pant like I

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Speaker 1: think it was like June of twenty twenty is when

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Speaker 1: the contract was up, but we did an emergency extent

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Speaker 1: because of COVID. But no, we learned that the only

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Speaker 1: language they speak is withholding labor, and it seems to

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Speaker 1: be true for almost every.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I think all of the Kaiser Permanente

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Speaker 4: healthcare workers just went on strike like an hour before

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Speaker 4: we started recording this because that because of that same philosophy.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, like you mentioned the residual model, and I

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Speaker 4: am a little bit of a dork about the business

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Speaker 4: side of entertainment and stuff, but it's like that's the

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Speaker 4: most intelligent economic system that has been created. Like, if

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Speaker 4: you create something that's successful and makes the people who

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Speaker 4: own it more money, then you also get more money.

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Speaker 6: It's incentive for.

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Speaker 4: All the creative people to do their best work and

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Speaker 4: for all of the people who are selling the stuff

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Speaker 4: to sell it as successfully as possible. Everybody wins, like

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Speaker 4: everyone is making profit off of something. And they were

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Speaker 4: like nope, like streaming is the whole industry now, but nope,

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Speaker 4: if you make a show that gets fifty million new

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Speaker 4: people to sign up for Netflix, fuck you next year.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was so it was so short sided, and also

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Speaker 1: it hurts the consumer because like the way that model worked,

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Speaker 1: Like Netflix, you know why your best show, your your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows to only get one two and like at

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Speaker 1: most three seasons. It's because Netflix has figured out that

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Speaker 1: after three seasons, they will retain viewers, but they won't

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Speaker 1: attract any new ones. So if you like love the show,

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Speaker 1: it goes three seasons on Netflix, people seem to love it,

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Speaker 1: people talk about it, and then they just drop the

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Speaker 1: ax on it. You know, it's it's because they figured

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Speaker 1: out that, like, oh, we can screw the riders. Also,

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Speaker 1: they build these contracts when they attract creators where it's

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Speaker 1: like for the first season, you make just like, let's

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Speaker 1: say three hundred grand, second season, it goes up to

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Speaker 1: three fifty. And then if it goes to third season

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Speaker 1: and it and like hopefully it will, that's when you

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Speaker 1: make you know, two million dollars a year, and then

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Speaker 1: they'll always get the because they know, let's it goes one, two,

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Speaker 1: at most three seasons and then they can drop the

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Speaker 1: x before they have to start paying people a lot

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Speaker 1: of money.

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Speaker 5: And that hurts consumers.

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Speaker 1: You know, like you want to show, like you want

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Speaker 1: your favorite show, you want the Office, you want shows

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Speaker 1: to go nine years or whatever you want Seinfeld, you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to be able to watch like season eight

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Speaker 1: of a show.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes right, it's comforting and it doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a I'm a journalist in Long Beach Ian

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Speaker 4: and worked for a newspaper that went through one of

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Speaker 4: these like fun private equity things that got laid off,

741
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Speaker 4: and yet like it. But it's exactly what you said,

742
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Speaker 4: like it breaks the traditional business relationship that is the

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Speaker 4: pillar of any sort of economy of successful thing equals

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Speaker 4: more profit or success for people like I know, when

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Speaker 4: we got laid off, I heard from so many people

746
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Speaker 4: who are like, ah, but newspapers aren't profitable, and I

747
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Speaker 4: was just I felt like I was sort of screaming

748
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Speaker 4: into the void. I was like, the newspaper is quite profitable. Yeah,

749
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Speaker 4: problem is it's owned by a hedge fund that wants

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Speaker 4: fifteen percent increase in profits every single year. And that

751
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Speaker 4: is not possible in almost any industry. It's not possible

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Speaker 4: for entertainment. But like you say said, if you're a

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Speaker 4: TV network in nineteen eighty and you have a successful show, great,

754
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Speaker 4: how long can we keep it running for? Can we

755
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Speaker 4: get you to thirty episodes instead of twenty two? Because

756
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Speaker 4: that's how.

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Speaker 6: You're making money.

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Speaker 4: You're not making money off of valuation, You're making it

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Speaker 4: off of sales of ads, you know, and so, but

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Speaker 4: that whole model is so fucked at this point in

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Speaker 4: like every industry, it feels like, including healthcare like we

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Speaker 4: just mentioned, or cars, that it is a little bit

763
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Speaker 4: of a like how do you put that? How do

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Speaker 4: you put Humpty back together against yeah, without blowing something up,

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Speaker 4: you know, it seems very difficult to figure that part out.

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Speaker 1: It seems like in every in I can't speak to

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Speaker 1: every industry, but at least in show business, and I

768
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Speaker 1: think this is probably true across the board. In the past,

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Speaker 1: you had people who loved money, but they also loved

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Speaker 1: making movies, and they also loved making TV shows, and

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Speaker 1: they were very worried about profits in the bottom line,

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Speaker 1: but they were also like, we also actually eventually want

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Speaker 1: to make some TV shows and movies and put those

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Speaker 1: out so people can see them. And as finance has

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Speaker 1: gotten involved in like every industry, newspapers, movies, sports people.

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Speaker 6: It's a big story in sports.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that's the same quant analysis is being

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Speaker 4: used in the situation you're about to describe as with

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Speaker 4: forcing players to rest, right right, It's the exact same thing.

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Speaker 5: All right. All they care about is growth.

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Speaker 1: All they care about is potential, and then they don't,

782
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Speaker 1: and then they stop caring about the actual industry that

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Speaker 1: they got involved in, and it suffers because of it,

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Speaker 1: because of course it will, you know, like when growth

785
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Speaker 1: is all you care about, then like I mean, like

786
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Speaker 1: industries are turning into like the tallest man on earth,

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Speaker 1: when it's like it kept growing and kept growing and

788
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Speaker 1: kept growing, and that becomes unsustainable, so.

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Speaker 6: He dies support weight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got to wear weird shoes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to figure out what the weird shoes are.

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Speaker 5: It's a buzzy math. It becomes math, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean? Yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, We'll say all right, I well, thank you so

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Speaker 6: much for having on.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, sir.

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Speaker 5: Your books are color coding? Is that art direction or

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Speaker 5: is that O c D?

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Speaker 1: My wife's my wife's my wife's books and color.

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Speaker 6: Gonay that sentences starting with my wife.

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Speaker 4: And I don't say that as someone who's like women

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Speaker 4: blah blah, but that is I've never known a man

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Speaker 4: to do that. And I have known many women.

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Speaker 5: I think they're beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And my wife is so smart, she's she's an author herself,

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Speaker 1: but she like I will ask her. I'll be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've been meaning to read X y Z, but I

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Speaker 1: can't find it in the shelves because they're all color coded.

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Speaker 1: But she knows the book so well that she's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you want to read like i Q eight for by

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Speaker 1: like Murakami. That's like a that's like a bay title,

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Speaker 1: so it'll be like in the lower like she's like

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Speaker 1: a like Dewey decimal system in her head.

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Speaker 5: So she's got it.

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Speaker 1: There's like that's and then the over there's all books

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Speaker 1: about writing and everything.

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Speaker 6: Yet yes, from Shakespeare's Blue Period.

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Speaker 2: And note books in the back are color coded in

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Speaker 2: the rainbows some roygbib going on over there, brod, Yeah, oh.

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Speaker 5: There we go, you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh no, we love sing Ian's off in

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Speaker 1: Search of Brains.

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Speaker 6: They got them the five G got him here.

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Speaker 3: No, but my wife's My wife's apps on her phone

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Speaker 3: are color coded.

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Speaker 5: That's why I asked. But yeah, I think that's more

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Speaker 5: l c D for her. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My our friend Alise Bryant, who's a she's put this

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Speaker 4: on her Instagram. I think I'm allowed to talk about

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Speaker 4: this even though it's in her house. She she's also

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Speaker 4: an author and also has her books color coded, but

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Speaker 4: she's got uh so many books and every time I

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Speaker 4: go over there, I always just have to throw out

834
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Speaker 4: a random time, you know what I mean, like okay, uh,

835
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Speaker 4: you know this Cormick McCarthy book, and she's just pointed

836
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Speaker 4: out you know, It's like, I don't know how you

837
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Speaker 4: can do that because that is way beyond my intellectual capacity.

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Speaker 1: What is taking up that space in our heads? Or

839
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Speaker 1: do we just not have that much mental capacity? Is?

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Speaker 5: It is good?

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Speaker 4: Right? It is like just knowing it's the it's it's

842
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Speaker 4: the tinfoil weed story at the airport.

843
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's thinking about how if Rudy fernand if

844
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Speaker 1: Rudy Fernandez played in this version of the NBA, he

845
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: would be a borderline all time. If Rudy Fernandez had

846
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: been a Laker, there would be several murals of him

847
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Speaker 1: all over.

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Speaker 2: All.

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Speaker 6: Right, Ian, thanks so much for having out with us.

850
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 4: You can check out Ian's podcast, All Fantasy Everything, and

851
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: he's got a book coming out in June that you

852
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: can pre order now called T Shirt Swim Club. I

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00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 4: will be pre ordering that as I was a member

854
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: of the T Shirt Swim Club.

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a book, it's a book about it's a

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00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: book about being a fat dude, grown up fat, being

857
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: fat as an adult, all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: But it's not like it's it's funny.

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Speaker 6: It's by a comedian. It's a book by a comedian

860
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Speaker 6: about that.

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Speaker 1: It's a book like exactly, it's a book by a

862
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: comedian about that. And then my little sister, who's a

863
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, responds to every.

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Speaker 6: Chapel sire like that is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, She's like, here's what you were going through

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Speaker 1: at that time, and here's what to do about it.

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Speaker 6: Kind of yes, well, go go pre order T shirts.

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Speaker 4: Swim club Ian, thanks again for hopping on and and

869
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Speaker 4: and best of luck with the Trailblazers.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: We're rooting for your happiness.

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00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 5: The cover will be turquoise.

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Speaker 1: If there's anyone out there wondering where it's going to

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Speaker 1: slide slot into.

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