1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ, Bucky here, 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and this has turned the page day we are we 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: are turning the page block the NFL season, the Super 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Bowls behind us in the draft is in front of us. Well, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: I'm really excited because this is our time. This is 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: when we really get an opportunity to do what we've 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: always done, which is really digged down into the draft, 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: look at prospects, give opinions on how we think guys 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: will play at the next level, ranked them, have big boards, 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: and really do the stuff that is perfectly in our wheelhouse. 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about it because I think you and 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: I do this better than anybody. Well, let me make 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: a plug for us here real quick at the top 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: of the show. If you're listening to this, trust me, 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: you're gonna dig what we've got come. We have so 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: much content lined up for you as we marched towards 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: the draft. We just want you to do us a favor. 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Our numbers are jumping way up. They always do this 20 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: time of year. We bring on a lot of new folks. 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: But let's spread the word let people know on social 22 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: media if you can get on iTunes and leave us 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: a review or a comment on there, and let's continue 24 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: to this grow, grow this audience. It's been growing year 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: over year, and it's really this time of year is 26 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: when it really cranks up and we have tons of 27 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: stuff we've got covered for you here. Let's just tell 28 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: you what we've got on today's show. We've got Bucky's 29 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: top five list by position. We're gonna roll through that, 30 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: uh instant impact guys we think are gonna step in 31 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: have an impact right away. We're gonna talk about a position, 32 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: a specific position, Buck, that has a cluster of players 33 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: that we kind of get a little preview, go through those. 34 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Uh what else we got coming up today, Buck, I mean, 35 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: we have so many things. When should we take running 36 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: backs is debated. Should just take a franchise running back 37 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: in the first round or can you find him in 38 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: later rounds. We also will talk about the deepest positions 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: in the draft, and then Super Bowl m v P 40 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: Nick Foles. What kind of trade value would he have 41 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: if he's on the market. Yeah, also touch on the 42 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and their bevy of picks they have in 43 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: this draft. So this is a beefy show. It's gonna 44 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: be a beefy spring with lots of draft content coming 45 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: your way. Let's start it off, though, Buck. We've got 46 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: your top five list here. This is hot off the presses. 47 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I do a top fifty list. You do the top 48 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: five by position list. So all your needs covered. You 49 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: can find that NFL dot com. What's the web? Do 50 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: you know what the specific site is for your top five? Absolutely? 51 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Do not in my in my archive. Well you've got it. 52 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: You've tweeted out and I'll retweet it. So check out 53 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: social at Bucky Brooks. You can get a link to 54 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: this list here. Start us off with your top five quarterbacks. 55 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: That's whatever he wants to know. Everybody wants to know this, 56 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: and so here's what you have to understand. And I know, 57 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: like a lot of people get confused with mock drafts 58 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: and big boards and top fives, and what's the difference, 59 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I will say, and I think you will back this up. 60 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Like mock drafts and stuff. That's more so for the fans, 61 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: the readers or whatever. If you really want to know 62 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: what we think about players, check out the big board. 63 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: Check out how we rank people in top five lists. 64 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: So the way this list is constructed is really how 65 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: I think they're going to play within the first two 66 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: or three years of their career. And so number one 67 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: for me Josh Rosen at quarterback. I have Josh Rosen 68 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: for Sam Donald second, Baker Mayfield third, then a little 69 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: bit of surprised Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen. That's my 70 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: top five. I have some guys that are right on 71 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: the cut line on the bubble. But the reason and 72 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I went with Josh Rosen over Sam Donald is if 73 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: we were to play a game tomorrow, the quarterback that 74 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: I think is best prepared to play and probably most 75 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: systems would be Josh Rosen. Just from a mechanical standpoint, 76 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: I believe he's the best pure pocket pastor in this draft. 77 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: He can make every throw, trajectory, timing, touch, whatever it 78 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: is in a pure pro style system. He is the guy. 79 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing that people have to 80 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: determine how does he fit within your locker room? How 81 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: does he fit within your coaching staff? Do you want 82 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: to coach a guy like Josh Rosen. Sam Donald, to me, 83 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: is a better fit for everybody UH in the league 84 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: in terms of his personality, his leadership ability, his playmaking, 85 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: his ability to improvise. But I think right now on 86 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen is a little more polished, which is why 87 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I put him first as opposed to second in this list. Look, 88 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: I can't argue with that in terms of day one 89 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: what you get and his polish as a pastor. Um. 90 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: You know, the interesting thing with Rosen is gonna be 91 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: this keeps coming up more and more when you talk 92 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: to folks around the league. The concussion thing is it 93 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: like people are concerned about that and and some of 94 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: the durability thing that's that's as much as people talk 95 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: about personality and all that and does he love put 96 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: that all aside? To me, the durability with him is 97 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: is the biggest question mark when I talk to It 98 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: has to be because he's seen his season in prematurely 99 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: two of the last three years, and the last two 100 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: seasons we've seen him happen. He missed the final few 101 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: games of the season this year dealing with a concussion, 102 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: and then the previous year he had the shoulder injury. 103 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: So you have to factor that into the conversation with 104 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Sam Donald's played every snap for the last 105 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: two years, has a bunch of games on his built, 106 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: and in spite of some of the things that people 107 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: will say are flawed, we have seen him perform bright light, 108 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: big stage. He's been a gamer. I think the biggest 109 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: thing with Sam Donald, I think you have to know 110 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: what you're getting. Some people will say like he's a 111 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: high risk player. He is, but he's also going to 112 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: reward you for the way that he plays. And if 113 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: you're a team that can handle some of those mistakes, 114 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: you're going to be rewarded from some of those pictacular plays. 115 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: I love him as a player. I think he's worried. 116 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: I know people are kind of beating them up a 117 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: little bit about all the turnovers. But the only way 118 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: you know what you can do is you have to 119 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: do it in games. And I think he is going 120 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: to continue to find out what he can do, and 121 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be able to reint it down sometimes. 122 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: I think I always try and narrow things down when 123 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: you go into this evaluation process. It's easy for us 124 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: to get caught up in the minut show this officials 125 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: to me, I was thinking about this the other day, okay, 126 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: because I always talk about accuracy, decision making, those are 127 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: the crucial aspects of that position. And I thought, okay, 128 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: is there a way to simplify it even more from that? 129 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: And okay, how do they how do they move the football, 130 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: how do they lead their team? And do they score points? 131 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: And that's really it like your job at the position 132 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: if you really think about it. Uh the way, did 133 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: I even boil it down? If we were playing a 134 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: turkey ball on Thanksgiving? Which quarterback would I want to 135 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: pick and say, Hey, here's the ball I want to win. 136 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, who is going to 137 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: be the winner? I think football is really as simple 138 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: as that. We can talk about the mechanics and all 139 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: this other stuff or whatever, but at the end of 140 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: the day, can you score points? Can you lead your team? 141 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: And do you have the wherewethal when the game is 142 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: on the line? To situation? Can you make those plays 143 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: that said all that other stuff, how they look size, 144 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: can you play the game? That's ultimately how you need 145 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: to judge the quarterbacks and really all these prospects and 146 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen had look, he had a big end of 147 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: the game moment first game year against Texas A and 148 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: m I'm hanging my hat on Donald because I look. 149 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I was in the stadium when they beat Penn State 150 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl. I was in the stadium when 151 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: they beat Utah coming back this year. Uh, I saw 152 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: what they did against Texas, Like I've seen him in 153 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of big moments. Later moments, we've seen him 154 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: delivered like that is the thing that makes it hard, 155 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: and it even makes it hard for me to put 156 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Rosen overtop him. The only thing in my perspective that 157 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: gives Rosen to nod. I think he's a little cleaner 158 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: in terms of how he plays. And I could see 159 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: him in a system, say for him sooner, right, Yeah, 160 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: in a system like New York, if you had to 161 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: put him on the field and play, I could see 162 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: him have success in that vain But looking at this list, 163 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: if we talked about players, how about number four? Get 164 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: me to get me to number four. That's what I 165 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about. Hey, before you get to your take, 166 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: because Bucky has Lamar Jackson four, Josh Allen five. But 167 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: I want to see did you see Lamar Jackson's tweet today? 168 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: I retweeted it because I thought it was awesome. Uh, 169 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: all right here it is Lamar Jackson. You can infer 170 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: on who he's talking about. Just because I'm not broadcasting 171 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: what I'm doing doesn't meet I'm sitting at home on 172 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: my behind exclamation point. Oh m hmm, huh interesting huh. 173 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was I retweeted it. I thought that 174 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: was fantastic, fantastic. He's in the She's I don't know 175 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: he's not from Missouri, but I think he's in that show. 176 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna show you. So my deal with Lamar Jackson 177 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: and I feel like Lamar Jackson's kind of fallen. I 178 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: don't know, under the radar hasn't really been discussed in 179 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: this If we're talking about games and we're talking about 180 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: guys who play, there's no doubt in my mind that 181 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson can play the game. Now, does he do 182 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: it in a conventional manner or traditional manner, No, But 183 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: there have been times where I had been in the 184 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: stadium and I've watched him play against other prominent guys 185 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: where I felt like Lamar Jackson was the best guy 186 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: on the field. And so, from a mechanical standpoint, is 187 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: it always perfect? No, But I believe he has an 188 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: extraordinary set of athletic skills and tools that would give 189 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: him the opportunity to erase some of his mistakes, and 190 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: with the right coaching, the right scheme, the right system, 191 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: I think he can be a guy that can be 192 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: a fantastic playmaker. Uh. Some of the issues that I 193 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: saw Lamar Jackson, I saw a little bit in Marcus Mariota, 194 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: and I think they're more similar than people who give 195 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: them credit. In terms of Marcus Mariota has to play 196 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: in a system that really plays to his game. When 197 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: you take away his legs, he's not the same guy. 198 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is going to be like that. So I 199 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: have seen him have dominant performances. I've seen him be 200 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: the best player on a big stage. In fact, he 201 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: went toe to toe with Deshaun Watson a year ago. 202 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: He was the best player on the field, and to me, 203 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't close. And so if I think about what 204 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was able to do in the league, why 205 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: would I doubt that Lamar Jackson couldn't do similar things? 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: Based upon that interaction that I saw with him and 207 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: how Lamar Jackson really dominated the last two years, Yeah, 208 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: I have him in the I think I have him 209 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: what in the early forties on my on my list overall, 210 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: so I have him kind of in that second round range. 211 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: I think he's the ideal second round pick because is 212 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: there risk. Absolutely, there's some risk involved, some mechanical things 213 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: you've got to really work through and clean up. The 214 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: accuracy is not ideal, but you're talking about elite playmaking 215 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: skills and the armed talent to make every throw. He 216 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: can do everything. He just gotta get in line a 217 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: little bit and and get his get his foot work corrected. 218 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: He's got some stuff with his release he can clean up. 219 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna be a sixty five, 220 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: sixty six percent. I don't think so, And I think 221 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's why I'm curious to see which 222 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: guy which team eventually falls in love and and takes him, 223 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: because he's not going to be the He's not going 224 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: to be a sixty completion rate guy. But what he 225 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: will be is a guy that can be a spectacular playmaker, 226 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: a guy that can make you right when you have 227 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: a bad play call. He can mass some of the 228 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: deficiencies that you may have in the offensive line, and 229 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: he can play in a style where he enhances what 230 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: you do as a running team. I think there's value 231 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: to that you talk about the second round. The second 232 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: round is actually a perfect spot for him because the 233 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: expectations won't be as great as they would be if 234 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: he was the first one. Paye. We say that, but 235 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks is always the expectation. But I think he 236 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: brings something that others don't have, and I think there 237 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: is a value too that if the right coach gets 238 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: a hold of him. All right, we spend a little 239 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: time there on the quarterbacks. We'll roll through quicker here 240 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: on the rest of your list, so we can get 241 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: get rolling here. We start with the running backs here, though, Buck, 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I know your top guy, obviously, it's it's obvious here 243 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: Sa Kwon Barkley. Before we get to the rest of 244 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: your running back list, though, Sully, I think we have 245 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: a little clip from when we were talking to Mike 246 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: Aasecki at the Senior Bowl. Had a chance to ask 247 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: him about their running back there Penn State, and it's 248 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: pretty interesting conversation. Here's a little snippet. Honestly, you know, 249 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: you can't say enough about Sa Kwon as a player, 250 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: but really as a person. Um, I mean, he does 251 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, so many great things on the field, but 252 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: he's just you know, such a such a great guy 253 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: to talk to, an awesome teammate. Um, I mean you 254 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: guys have seen all the all the videos in him 255 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: Power Cleaning four oh five, and yeah, it's it's unbelievable. 256 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, in the same day I I Power Clean 257 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: three eighty five and I think, I'm like, oh yeah, 258 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: I see three and five and he walks in and 259 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: banks out four or five and everyone's like, all right, Mike, 260 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: we'll see you. Like so uh, I mean it's it's 261 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: been unbelievable, you know, having him as a teammate for 262 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: the past um three seasons and uh so, I mean 263 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: you can't really say enough about him, can he hoop? Um? 264 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: He can't. So I I mean, if you ask, if 265 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: you ask Sa Kwan, I mean, I mean he can 266 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: do it because he's so you know, athletically gifted. Uh 267 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the greatest jump shop, but I mean 268 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Duke can jump and dunk and do all that crazy stuff. 269 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: So uh, I mean, I'm sure if you put him 270 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: in front of somebody with that kind of jill, and 271 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: he's probably a great defender too, So he can't. He 272 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: had no skills. He's got no skills but he's very 273 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: athletic there. Yeah, it's funny. What more can you say 274 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: about se Kwon Barkley. We've talked about him. He is 275 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: the ultimate back that you want in today's game. He's 276 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: a big time runner, he's a outstanding receiver. He can 277 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: give you value and big time plays in the return game. 278 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: He's physical, he does it all. And I think in 279 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: today's game, when you see a Leve Bill, a Tie Gurley, uh, 280 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: David Johnson, winning's healthy. Those big backs that can do everything, 281 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: they rise to the top of the charts. And so 282 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: for me, I think it's easy a team in need 283 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,359 Speaker 1: of a playmaker in the top five, Sae Kwon Barkley 284 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: is the guy. I think the bigger thing, and we 285 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: don't need to take up all the time talking about 286 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: the top five. I think the bigger thing when you 287 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: look at the rest of the list, how many of 288 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: those guys that are on this list, Darius Guys, Ronald Jones, 289 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: Royce Freeman, Sonny Michelle, how many these guys can come 290 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: and make the impact like a Kareem Hunt or in 291 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Alvin Kamar. Because I think that is what people are 292 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: going to be looking for in this this draft. All right. 293 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: I want to give the folks and send him to 294 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: get on NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks to read 295 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: the entire list. So we won't go through the whole thing. Buck, 296 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: But why don't you just go position by position here? 297 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: Just give us the top two that you have and 298 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: then folks can line in NFL or log in NFL 299 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: dot com slash Buckey Brooks see the rest of the list. 300 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Don't you go through the receiver's top two? Here we go, 301 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Calvin really, Christian kirk on my top two white House, 302 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: my top two tight ends Dallas Goddard, Hayden Hearst, South 303 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: Carolina h offensive tackles Orlando Brown and Mike Mcglinchkey. That 304 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: might be a bit of a surprise. Guards Quinn Nelson, 305 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez defensive ends, Bradley Chubb, Marcus Davenport detackles mar 306 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: mar Ree, Hearse Vitave certainly gets the outside linebackers. Tremaine 307 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: Etmuns is a guy that everyone talks about. But I'm 308 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: still holding the four for Harold Landry from Boston College. 309 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: Inside linebackers. This is easy. Roquan Smith, Rashaan Evans cornerbacks, 310 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Denzel Ward a guy you talked about and don't know who, 311 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: Mike Huses from Central Florida. He is a big time prospect. 312 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: And then finally a safety Menka Fitzpatrick, Derwin James. Two 313 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: talented dudes come into the league. That is a good 314 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: looking list there. All right, Uh, let's let's move on 315 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: here some other topics. We've got a lot to cover today. Book. 316 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: Uh wrote something real quick this week. I'll hit this 317 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: one quick. Instant impact rookies, guys I think are gonna 318 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: come in year one. We don't look, we don't know 319 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: where these guys are gonna go. Who's gonna pick him? 320 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: But I think just in terms of the Polish and 321 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: knowing exactly who they are and what they can do. 322 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: I rattled off these five guys as Kwan who we've 323 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: already talked about. Clinton Nelson, the guard from Notre Dame 324 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: why I think could be an All Pro type player 325 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: early in his career. Uh Chub Bradley Chubb, the most 326 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: polished pass rusher come out of NC State. I think 327 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: he has an immediate impact. Vita Vea, who we just 328 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: talked about from Washington, I think is a dominant run 329 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: player right now, has some upside as a pass rusher. 330 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: And then Christian kirk Uh the fifth one, who is 331 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: a defined guy. I know exactly what he is gonna 332 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: plug in the slot day one, and much like Cooper 333 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: cup I think he has an immediate right system. Comes 334 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: in as the number three or just to slide receive, 335 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna make an immediate impact. We know how serious 336 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: and diligent he is about going about his business. He's 337 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: a productive playmate who also gives you some value as 338 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: a punt and kick return love Chris and Kirry. I 339 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: think he absolutely can make an impact in the right situation. Alright, 340 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: deepest positions in this draft, let's just let's just get 341 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: up in the clouds here and look down at this draft. 342 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Kind of a first glance. Deepest positions I scribbled down here. Quarterback, 343 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: running back, corner, defensive tackle. I think it's it's really 344 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: a stellar group at at those spots. Now, I absolutely 345 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: agree with you, Like, if you talk about two offensive 346 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: playmakers and playmakers that you need quarterback, you can't go wrong. 347 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: And we are seeing, and we talked about this, it 348 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: was gonna be a renaissance of the running back position. 349 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: We saw that coming when we looked at the college 350 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: game a year ago, we said, man, there's plenty of 351 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: backs that are talented. Then you saw the takeover al 352 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: m kamar Uh, Christian McCaffrey, Kareem Hunt. These young guys 353 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: being able to come in and go right to the 354 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: top of the charts. We're going to see that continue 355 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: to play out with some of these running backs that 356 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: are coming in, because more and more of these running 357 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: backs are not only coming in as exceptional runners, but 358 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: they can do things in the passing game. In today's game, 359 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: when you need to be able to move the ball 360 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: through the air, you're running backs maybe the best way 361 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: to create a mismatch over the middle of field. All right, 362 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: So before we get to talking about the the defensive 363 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: side with the corners and the defensive tackles, I had 364 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: written down here running back debate earlier late, kind of 365 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: little rhyme there. But I was having this conversation with 366 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: a buddy in the league and it was interesting because 367 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: as much as we think maybe that debate has been settled, 368 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: people are still entrenched on their side of the fence 369 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: on this thing, buck, and they have evidence. So if 370 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: you are a take a quarterback, you take a running 371 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: back early. If he's the dude guy, here's your argument, 372 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: you say, Okay, Well, Ezekiellett came in immediately turned the 373 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys around. They got rolling. Um. You look at Todd Gurley, 374 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: what he's done and this team last year, he's Offensive 375 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: Player of the Year. The Rams, Uh there in the postseason, 376 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: have a big year. Uh. Leonard Fournett steps right in 377 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: high pick Jags in the playoffs. Big difference maker. Okay, 378 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: so that's the argument that you get there. Then you 379 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: get the argument from the other folks, and you know 380 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: exactly where I'm headed. Just talked about it, Kimara Hunt. 381 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Every year, there's these guys in the every year they're there. 382 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: So we're having this debate back and forth, and I'm 383 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: kind of of the mindset. Look I have see Kwon 384 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: Barkley is the best player in the draft, So I'm saying, hey, 385 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: if they're if they're good enough, take them up there. 386 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: But this was the point that was brought up, which 387 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: was good because it's not just where can you find 388 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: running backs, it's the it's the cost of passing on 389 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: the other positions. So what the this was what was 390 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: said to me. Defensive lineman as much as we can 391 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: see running backs second third round. Tell me where these great, 392 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: consistently great edge rushers and corners are that you're not 393 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: that you're going to get in these second third rounds. 394 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: So it comes back to him doing our pairs. It's 395 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: something we do all the time. It's a little exercise. 396 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, if I need I need a 397 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: defensive end and I need a running back, Okay se 398 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley say you take se Kwon. But but now 399 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: you look at the pool of defensive ends. Who who's 400 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: going to be left? And this is something great. This 401 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: is something that we talked about in the run up 402 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: to the draft. When you're in meeting rooms, we we 403 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: have these discussions. Um, you talk about two by two, three, 404 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: about threes. What is an ideal haul? What is an 405 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: ideal draft? Dave? For us, Well, we can get these 406 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: needs shored up and get the best that we can 407 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 1: find in these positions. You have to do it. So 408 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: that's why when we're ranking these guys and we're going 409 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: through it, what teams are trying to assess? What are 410 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: the shallow positions, what are the deep positions? We talked 411 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: about quarterback, running back, corner, in D tackle being deep, Well, 412 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that means that in the early rounds maybe I can 413 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: bypass one of those guys and get comparable value a 414 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: little later and take advantage of one of these shallow 415 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: pools shallow positions, and see if I can get the 416 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: best guy early to shore up a need that I 417 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: may have. All right, let's do a fun exercise. Look, 418 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: so we've we'll get back to the corners and D tackles. 419 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: I think we've kind of established those are the deep positions. 420 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: But this kind of leads me perfectly into the Cleveland 421 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: Browns as we're playing this kind of either organ Because 422 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot of folks, and I've been one of them, 423 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: have said, okay, let's say whoever your quarterback of choices, 424 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: I said Donald, So let's just let's just plug in 425 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Sam Donald at one. Because if you like a quarterback 426 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: enough to take him at four, you should take him 427 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: at once. So you go Donald at once. So then 428 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: we get to the four with them that the fourth 429 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: overall pick. And I've been saying along ste Kwon Barkley's 430 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: is the dream here. But let's look at two different scenarios. 431 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: So let's say they go Minca Fitzpatrick now you come back, 432 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: they have thirty three and thirty five. I think they're 433 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: staring at a Sony Michelle. Maybe Ronald Jones sitting there. 434 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: Ronald Jones is definitely there for them at thirty three, 435 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: so let's just plug him in there. So now you 436 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: don't have Sae Kwon Barkley, but you pick up Minca Fitzpatrick, 437 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: and then Ronald Jones is not say Quon bark it's 438 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: pretty dark, good, pretty good whoever, whatever your flavor is. 439 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: If it's Ronald Jones or Sony Michelle, I think both 440 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: those guys are great backs. You know guys, maybe Geiss 441 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: is there. That's the thing, Like you have three guys 442 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: that can come in right away and make a play. 443 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: So you either get Darius guys or you get Sony 444 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Michelle or Ronald Jones. Like how can you go wrong 445 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: when you see the top of the top of the 446 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: second So then you know it's kind of like okay, 447 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: maybe that fourth pick, I think you you're kind of 448 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: looking at the secondary there. Maybe it is a Maka Fitzpatrick. 449 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: I think there'll be some other good corners there. I 450 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: like make a Minka has a free safety. I think 451 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: he's a the blue ship player. Um. But it's a 452 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: supply and demand issue that teams are gonna be wrestling 453 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: within this draft and that running back debate. As much 454 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: as some of us think it's been put the bed, 455 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: it's not put to bed. It's a very real thing. 456 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: It's a very real thing, particularly because what is this 457 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: league called a copycat league. So if you look at 458 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you look at how the Philadelphia Eagles 459 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: deployed their running backs. J Joe Committee round pick Legari 460 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: Blunt was undrafted, but he probably would have been a 461 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: third or four front pig based on his stuff. You 462 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: didn't have character flaws. Corey Klement another undrafted reason. Then 463 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: you go to the Pagriots and all their guys, a 464 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: bag of misfits that they call pled together. But what 465 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: you saw was a very diverse workload, a diverse set 466 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: of backs, guys that could contribute in a variety of 467 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: different ways, and they were able to collectively get it done. 468 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: And the thing that it does if you have kind 469 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: of that running back by committee, if those guys all 470 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: have similar traits, much like the New Orleans Saints running 471 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: backs mark ingram Avan Kamar can do similar things. Tell 472 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: Vin Coleman DeVante Freeman in Atlanta. They can do similar things. 473 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I think what you're getting to when I give one, 474 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down and get another bad with similar skills. 475 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: And I'm willing to keep a bunch of running backs 476 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: because not only can I get them on the field 477 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: like that, they also can play special teams. That's the 478 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: other thing. If if the Browns do not want to 479 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: go with with the running back, with that one or 480 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: four shoot they they have they pick. Look at the 481 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: number of picks one, four, thirty three, and thirty five. 482 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: Those are early second round picks, and then sixty sixty 483 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: five in the third round. The double down six of 484 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: the first sixty five picks. They could take a running 485 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: back at at thirty three and six. I mean again, 486 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: John Dorsey was the people think this is crazy, this 487 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: team is what one in thirty one. John Dorsey hit 488 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: the jackpot with this. It was it was the best 489 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: was the best job for a guy that is a 490 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: football guy, a guy that loves to go about his 491 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: business in the draft and even speaking about when when 492 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: when I look, it's funny because how they're forming their 493 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: front office and the guys, all those guys want I 494 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: work with. But now you have John Dorsey, you have 495 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: Alonzo Haisman, if you have Elliott Will, if they bring 496 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: back Scott McCloy to consult them on the draft, you're 497 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: talking about a team that is focused on getting it 498 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: right through the draft. One thing we know, they will 499 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: get it right. They may not be perfect, but they're 500 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: gonna get the best player available at each of those spots. 501 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: I think you're going to see a vastly different roster 502 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: from the Cleveland Browns as they go into twin eighteen. Yeah, 503 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: they are. They are set up to succeed. Can't get worse. 504 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: So they've hit the bottom, and they've got a lot 505 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: of a lot of capital here and they've got some 506 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: money in free agency, which we'll get to, uh on 507 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: a later episode here and what that free agency pool 508 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: looks like. Just to kind of dabble into this draft, 509 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: we've been macro. Let's get micro here just for one second, 510 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: because one of the things we'll do on path to 511 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: the draft coming up this spring, that's gonna that's gonna 512 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: launch on NFL Network. I believe it's right after free 513 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: agency starts. I think the nineteenth, maybe uh March nineteenth 514 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: is when that kicks off one of the things we 515 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: do on there. We do play this game called Clusterbuster, 516 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: and you look at different clusters of players in the 517 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: draft and and kind of how you sort through those guys. 518 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: And I've just spent the last week looking at receivers 519 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: and kind of going through a bunch of these receivers. 520 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: Buck and to me, one of the clusters in this 521 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: draft where it is, I don't know, he probably in 522 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: the second round, uh area. You've got a big wide 523 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: receiver cluster that we're gonna have to sort through. And 524 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: that's something I'm keeping an eye. And as we go forward, 525 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: Semi Cops from Indiana, Equamanius st. Brown from Notre Dame, 526 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: UH Courtland's Sun from s m U, and Audent Tap 527 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: from Florida State. Just four the guys here. These are 528 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: four guys six three plus big physical guys. None of 529 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: them are gonna, I think while you're on the stop Watch, 530 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: but good players. That's just a clump of guys. And 531 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: and the odds are probably one or two of these 532 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be really good and the rest are 533 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: gonna are gonna kind of flounder. So it's just a cluster. 534 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: You gotta sort through. Yeah, I think that's an interesting 535 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: cluster because people have kind of roundly discussed Courtland's sudden 536 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: for the majority of the fall. There's a first round pick, 537 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: but then when you think about some of the other 538 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: guys on tape. We've seen him have his moments at 539 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Florida State when healthy. Equanimius st. Brown a guy who 540 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: you talk about being big, fast and physical that can 541 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: make some plays. Production doesn't necessarily master the talent, but 542 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: he is a big time prospect, and so you have 543 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: the ability to find that big body playmate that we 544 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: have to have in a receiver corps. We've talked about 545 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: it your basketball team. Brian Billi came on the show 546 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: and say, look, the right receiver courps, you look like 547 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: a basketball team. You need to have different sizes, different skills, 548 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: different tools that you bring to the table. And so 549 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: we saw with the Philadelphia Eagles all Sean Jeffrey is 550 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: that big body playmaker, the guy that can play above 551 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: the rim. He can go get the alley oops. They 552 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: got the other guys that can go and make plays 553 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: and running the slot. But at some point you need 554 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: to have a fixture, a guy that can be a 555 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: post up player, and so as the league continues to evolve, 556 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: that cluster has some value. Now trying to figure out 557 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: which one of these guys comes out of system that 558 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: will set them up for success. If I'm kind of 559 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: going with an early gamble, I'm thinking Ardent Take. Just 560 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: because he has experienced running real routes, he has flashed 561 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: the ability to make big plays. He's intriguing to me 562 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: as a prospect. No question to me, I wrote down 563 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: on my paper. He reminds me of, Uh, what's my 564 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: guy from the Panthers? Uh, Calvin? No, no, no, Denuncius, 565 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: I wrote down Funcius on my paper. I'm like, there's 566 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. Are funch of second round pick 567 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: bunches emerging? Is a really really good football player. I 568 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: think all In Take could be that exact same guy, 569 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: and a team like the Bears they need to bring 570 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: in a couple of wide receivers. We talked about the 571 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: basketball team, We'll see in free agency you go get 572 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: some speed and free agency that one of these big 573 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: guys makes sense in the second round. If you want 574 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: to go get a big guy in free in free agency, 575 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: get somebody a little more juice here. Uh, in this 576 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: wide receiver corps. So that's gonna be interesting cluster. But 577 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: this is something we're gonna do all throughout the spring. 578 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: We'll get different clusters, different positions, and we'll kind of 579 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: go through and break them down. So I just want 580 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: to give the folks a little taste there. No, that 581 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: is a little taste. I think the interesting thing that 582 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: we will have the debate that we will also have 583 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: coming off the heels of the jab earlier later on 584 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: wide receivers. We saw three receivers last year going to 585 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: top ten. None of those guys necessarily made the media impact. 586 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: All of them were injured, of course, but we saw 587 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Juju Smith Schuster come from the second 588 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: round have a big impact. We saw Cooper Cup in 589 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: the third round also had big value. So much like 590 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: we talked about running backs, do you go early, do 591 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: you find this sweet spot somewhere in day two, I 592 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: think you can make the same argument for why receivers. 593 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: And in fact I come from a system where in 594 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: Green Bay we talked about and not expending a top 595 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: pick because you could find those guys in the second 596 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and third round in that system that could succeed. It 597 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: would be interesting when we dig into these guys. Are 598 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: we more comfortable finding guys in the second and third 599 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: round or do we really believe some of these guys 600 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: that may get first round grades can really have the 601 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: impact it equations to where they would be drafted. You know, 602 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I have, you know, full disclosure. I 603 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: always go back and try and figure out guys I've 604 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: got right, guys who got wrong. We play hits and 605 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: mrs on here all the time. One area with position 606 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: where Okay, I've I've missed on a couple of these guys. 607 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get better at his wide receiver. So how 608 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: do you self evaluate? What did you miss? So? I 609 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: looked down Kevin White. I know he's been hurt, but 610 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: still even when we've seen him out there, he didn't 611 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: look like the same guy that I thought he would be. Uh, 612 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: Kevin White? And then Corey Coleman, who liked his explosiveness 613 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: coming out of Baylor. We joked about the fact Dealing 614 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: ran four routes so far, not a great return here 615 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns where they took him in the 616 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: first round. So the lessons I'm trying to learn here 617 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: what did I miss? Okay, I keep coming back to 618 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: kind of route polish is important. So the guys running 619 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: these limited route trees scares me. Just focusing on trade size, speed, explosiveness, 620 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: that's nice. You've gotta be able to run of righting routes, 621 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: You've gotta be able to separate at the top of 622 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: your route. Um, just some of that stuff. It just 623 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: puts you ahead Cooper Cup for whatever deficiencies he had. Speed, 624 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: dude can run routes. If you can run routes, you 625 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: catch the ball, you're gonna play. At least I know 626 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: where your floor is and we can make where your 627 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: ceiling is. To me, I go back to Ozzie's philosophy, 628 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: doubles are good. You win a lot of games with doubles. 629 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: Get doubles, don't strike out. Don't strike out trying to 630 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: swing for the fences get you a solid double. Those 631 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: guys with route polish to me, are doubles all day long. 632 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: It sometimes end up being more than doubles. Yeah, I 633 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: absolutely agree with you. Whid receiver position is definitely difficult 634 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: to evaluate. And I've had this discussion with scouts in 635 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the league, and they said the fact that that really 636 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: comes in is the spread offense because no matter where 637 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: you take these guys, if you take them in the 638 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: first round, you take them in the fifth round. This 639 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: guy that comes from spread offense to now having to 640 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: learn how to run pro style offenses. Regardless of where 641 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: he comes in it, there's a level of transition and 642 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: that first round isn't guaranteed to pick it up quicker 643 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: than the fifth round, which is why we've seen more 644 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: of these later mid to later round guys have success early. 645 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: So yes, digging down and looking and trying to find 646 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: and determine if a guy is a polished route runner 647 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: certainly gives you an opportunity to hit a double. And 648 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: as more teams go to a systematic approach, meaning they 649 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: have these system is placed, they're just trying to plug 650 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: guys in that could run certain routes to succeed in 651 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: that offense. I think there's value to having guys that 652 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: are route runners as opposed to dynamic or explosive playmakers, 653 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: but may not have that polish And just one bit 654 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: of advice. I know we got a lot of folks 655 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: we get we meet him when we go to the 656 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: UH these events. We've seen him at the Senior Bowl. 657 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: A lot of guys want to get into scouting. They 658 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast and this is we're kind of 659 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: their gateway into that world. So I think, look, let's 660 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I gotta be more cogns into that, and let's let's 661 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: throw out some nuggets of these folks that are listening 662 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: that are looking to get in the profession to try 663 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: and help him out. Give him something To me that 664 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: one of the best piece of advice I can give 665 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: guys getting into this thing is don't run from your 666 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: mistakes from him. Oh, you have to own it. You're 667 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: lucky if you're a good scout. If you shoot, are 668 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: you but hit on like of what you think is 669 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: going to happen? You've done a really, really good job. 670 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: I think you have to own it. And I think 671 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: you have to also be tied to how the guy's 672 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: going to play rather than when he gets picked um. 673 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: A lot of times so much of our evaluations are 674 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: tied to mock drafts and the like. It's really about 675 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: how is the guy going to perform? Because when we 676 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: issue grades, those grades aren't arbitrary, that basically should be 677 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: reflective or indicative of how we think this guy is 678 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: going to play. In the first two or three years 679 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: of his career, and so you have to stick to 680 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: that premise and sometimes sometimes you can't pat you back 681 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: or beat yourself up the year the first or second year, 682 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: two years. And I think the big example we can 683 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: talk about how about Nelson Agilock. Nelson Ala we both 684 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: felt very very good about when he was a draft pick. 685 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: The first couple of years didn't look so good. Alshon 686 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Jeffrey comes over, he now goes to a more natural 687 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: role for him. Nelson super Bowl has what eight receptions? Hey, 688 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: some yards looks like a big time player. So there's 689 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: a lot that goes into the evaluation. Fit in scheme 690 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: is one, but you have to continue to learn and 691 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: challenge yourself to figure out why some guys are able 692 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: to play and some guys can't get it done, no question. 693 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: So that's our that's our free advice for the day. 694 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: Last topic before we get out of here today. Touched 695 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: on it quickly, Nick Foles. You mentioned Nelson Agler. Nick 696 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: Foles obviously super Bowl MVP fantastic. Couldn't it, couldn't write 697 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: a better script if you're in Hollywood, you couldn't do it. 698 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: But here's the question. If the Philadelphia Eagles Hey, should 699 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: you trade Folds be? What would the cost be? What 700 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: would you accept? I wouldn't trade him if I'm the 701 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: Philidi Eagles. Man. We always talk about how this league 702 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: is governed by the quarterbacks, how you must have quarterbacks 703 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: to be able to win. So now you're the Philadelphia Eagles. 704 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: You have two quarterbacks who can win games at a 705 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: high level. What is the rush to get him out 706 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: the door? I would try and hold on the Nick 707 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: Foles as long as I can, particularly while Carson Wentz 708 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: is on this cheap deal. I always am assured of 709 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: having a guy that I know can get us as 710 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: far as we can go. And I think, and you 711 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: said this man, he said this a while ago, Howie 712 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: rosemand that Philadelphia Eagle staff they get it. They get 713 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: it because not even this year with Folds, the previous 714 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: year they invested, they invested money in the position. They 715 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: had Sam Bradford, they had chased Daniel, then they drafted 716 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Like, what is the bad thing that can 717 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: ever go wrong? When you have multiple quarterbacks that can play, 718 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: you always can auction those guys off to get back 719 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: what you need. At some point, I learned it from 720 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: Ron Wolf because in Green Bay, they always had multiple 721 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that they drafted. Every other year they would draft 722 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback and part of the premise was, we're gonna 723 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: draft him, we're gonna develop him, and if there's ever 724 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: a time where we need him to play, he can play. 725 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: But if not, we'll sell him off and we'll get 726 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: another position of need that we need. So I just 727 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: think there's value to keeping multiple quarterbacks. I think Philadelphia 728 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: has it right. I don't even mind overpaying for equality 729 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: backup quarterback that can play. And because he grew up 730 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: in Philly system, they know his flaws and weaknesses. He 731 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: has set up to do that. And I would caution 732 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: Nick Foles be careful chasing the money. You've seen what 733 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: it's like when you left the comfort of the nest. 734 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: You can make a lot of money for a long 735 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: time in Philly as opposed to going somewhere else and 736 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: chasing a big short term deal. Yeah, it's interesting to 737 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: me because, look, I think Carson's on the hook for 738 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: like six or seven million next year, Folds on the 739 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: hook for six or seven million. They don't have that 740 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 1: much money wrapped up in the position they don't like 741 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: they actually could be in a situation where they could 742 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: do something that would be revolutionary. Maybe they make Nick 743 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Foles a ten million dollar backup at some point just 744 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: because he can play. We know he can play. He's 745 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: whatever he is. Say he's valued as the thirty second 746 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: starter in the league, and then you still can pay 747 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: Carson Wins. The trick will be, can I get Carson 748 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Wins to take a deal that allows us to set 749 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: a budget for the quarterbacks that we can that we 750 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: can still be able to get it done. Maybe that 751 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: budgets thirty million dollars. Who knows, But it'll be interesting 752 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: to see how they how they handle this and how 753 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: these plays out. Look. I don't even think even if 754 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: they got offered a late first round pick, they would 755 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: trade him right now, just because the value of the 756 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: position and you don't know what Carson's health. So to me, 757 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade Nick Foles, this is what it's 758 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: gonna be. The Garoppolo situation where you get through, Hey, 759 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: let's get to the trade deadline next year, get make 760 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: sure if we need Carson to take a couple of 761 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: weeks into the earliest part of the season to make 762 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: sure he's right. Nick can get us through the first 763 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: couple of games will be fine. Eventually get Carson up 764 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: and running, and then you get to the trade deadline. 765 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: At that point in time, somebody wants to throw you 766 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: whatever to help you make a championship run, and you 767 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: you want to gamble a little bit, then maybe you 768 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. Even then, I don't know 769 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: if I would do it. I just I don't think 770 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: Folds is going anywhere. I don't either. I just don't 771 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: see why they would. Um. Look, Nate Sudfield is a 772 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: young quarterback. I mean maybe if he flashes and shows 773 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: that he's ready, I still can't see him doing it. 774 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: There's comfort annoying. I had a Super Bowl m VC 775 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: serious insurance as my backup quarterback. I also have great 776 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: chemistry in that room. I don't need to tinker with him. 777 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: Nick Foles has been finding. Nick Foles handled his responsibility, 778 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: did his deal. He and Carson wentz get along, man, 779 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm messing that up. Now. I'm 780 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: with you. I'm with you on that. Look, that was 781 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: a beefy show. We wanted to cover a lot of 782 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: ground there as we transition towards the draft, towards the 783 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: NFL offseason. I don't know about you, Buck, but I 784 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: just feel a little a little extra energy in the 785 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: in the pod studio today, a little bit a little 786 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: bit because now we were able to do some of 787 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: the stuff that we've always talked about doing, being able 788 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: to really get after it. I'm excited about it. And 789 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: the fact that even after Tennessee went the bed on 790 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: signing Day, that Sully still showed up to work. That's 791 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: that's a professional. Oh man, that was a rough day yesterday. Boys, 792 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: that's all right. Hey, how those maybe those four guys 793 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: you signed will be good players. You know, we'll be 794 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: all right in the country, eighth in the SEC. Yeah, 795 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: to survive. Yeah, those what is that off? ESPN? No, 796 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: that was how about ESPN has already first seven deposit 797 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: I look, I'm watching ESPN. They send their reporters out 798 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: for sign today, their National Signing Day coverage, and they 799 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: go as far west as Texas. Yeah, nobody about that. Oh, 800 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Come on that, nobody. You can send somebody 801 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: to U s C, u C l A, Washington, Stanford, 802 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: any of those places. I mean. And he had a 803 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: pretty good day. Sc finished with the top five class. 804 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: But if if a tree falls in the woods and 805 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: nobody here happen. They can't talk about it all right, Anyways, 806 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Thank you guys 807 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks for downloading again, Thanks for leaving us 808 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: those that were using comments on iTunes, we appreciate it. Uh. 809 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks on damage your Mind? What's you next time? 810 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading. 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