WEBVTT - What Is Happening? Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt’s Kids Legally Dropping Dad’s Names 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.200 Hey, that folks, it is Sunday, August second, and it 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.960 sounds like one of the coolest things in the world 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.400 to grow up and have a dad that's one of 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:18.159 the biggest movie stars in the world. So why is 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:26.119 it that Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt's kids seemingly want 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.920 nothing to do with him? And with that, welcome to 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.480 this episode of Amy and TJ and episode Robes. That's 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.840 a little delicate close to the heart, got girls and 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:42.200 dads and involved in all this eerobes. And we don't 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.800 know exactly what's happening in these families. We just say 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.640 that first and foremost, but we know what these kids 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.440 have done in regards to their names and their connections 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:54.800 to their very famous fathers. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.440 Yes, we don't know the why, but we know the what. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:02.000 And the what is that two of the biggest stars 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:07.640 in Hollywood their daughters this week made news that they 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.360 dropped their dad's last names. That is what we know, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.000 and that does beg the question why. I don't know 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.039 that we'll ever actually know. A lot of folks claim 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.120 to know. People always fill in the gaps, but at 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.000 the end of the day, it's sad. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.800 It's sad. Where yet you would. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.360 Think, from the outside looking in, how cool is that 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.800 your dad is like this beloved Hollywood icon who makes 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.160 millions and millions of dollars wowing audiences. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.600 They bring people into theaters to cheer them on. They 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:47.160 are not just actors or famous actors. They're beloved actors, pubs. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.440 These are iconic guys. These are not These are Hollywood 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.840 legends that are just happen to still be around. These 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.000 are upper echelon, top tier, no matter what, not even 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.520 a matter of Oscars robes. These guys are legendary. And 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.760 so let's let's go with just what we know before 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.320 any speculation and the guesses people make. Go through the 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:17.919 kids for me. First of all, for Brad Pitt, right, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.000 they have to start there, six, don't they. Yeah, and 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.920 we'll get more into the detail. But out of his 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.840 six kids, how many have actually publicly done something to 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.160 detach the Pit name from their name. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.040 I'll even go so far as to say legally, no. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.280 This week, the latest child, the fourth child in the 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:44.440 Jolie Pitt gang, has now formally legally changed their name 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.840 drop Pit. Yes, and so this is Vivian Jolie Pitt 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.480 now only wants to be known as Vivian and she 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:59.560 is the youngest daughter. But also this summer in July, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.880 both Sahara and Maddox actually continued their process of legally 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.160 dropping Pit from their names. They had to take out 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.640 advertisements in a Los Angeles newspaper to drop their father's surname. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.880 So they've already gotten to that step. And Shiloh, the 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.119 oldest daughter between Julie and Pitt, their their oldest yeah, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.760 their oldest daughter period, but the oldest biological daughter too. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.720 She made that legal move first back on her eighteenth birthday. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:26.840 She's now twenty. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.400 Wait, well, so how many out of the six have 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.000 made so, even if it's not official yet. So out 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.000 of the six, all. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.800 Of them of the six have like just informally dropped Pitt. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:43.360 So Knox, the oldest one, hasn't really done anything where 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.480 there's like a name where you would know. But he 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.320 put out that scathing Instagram post about his dad on 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.040 Father's Day calling him every name in the book, So 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.680 he has obviously publicly distanced himself from Brad and then Knox, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.040 his biological son, also on a high school diploma, didn't 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.800 have Now he hasn't made the legal move yet, so 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.280 I can just say four of them, and the headline 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.600 was this week at Vivian formally legally made the move 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.800 as she just turned eighteen to drop pitt from her name. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.919 Oh my god. Okay, so now, but the I guess 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.920 a lot of this the biggest headline when it comes 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.520 to kids dropping the famous daddy's last name. Why is 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.520 it that Tom Cruise's daughter was in the headlines Because 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.200 this had kind of been bubbling and we kind of 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.200 knew this was going in this direction, but Ropes I 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.039 was getting caught up. And now there are things I'm 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.520 realizing that other people knew about this relationship that I, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.520 frankly I didn't know it. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.039 Look and a lot of people will come up with 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.320 their reasons from scientology to whatever, but we know that 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.320 Surrey Cruz has been going by Surrey Noel. This week 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.200 it came to light that in her voter registration, which 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.839 is in Pennsylvania, she goes to Carmen excuse me, Carnegie 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.080 Mellon in Pittsburgh. So she is registered to vote, and 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.359 when you're registered to vote, you have to use your 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:03.000 legal name. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.919 Her legal name is Surrey Noel. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.480 Notably, it's not Surrey Holmes, which is her mom's name, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.880 Katie Holmes. It's Surrey Noel, but Noel is Katie Holmes 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.160 middle name. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.440 And like, that could suggest a lot of things. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.920 It could suggest, yes, she wants to distance herself from 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.360 her father, which many people believe she hasn't seen. Look, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.240 there hasn't been a public image of the two of 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.960 them together since twenty thirteen, and there has been no 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:36.280 private confirmation from either party that they have ever been together, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.320 been documented together, seeing each other, had any contact with 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.720 one another. We don't know, but no one has privately 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.440 said otherwise. So that is what a lot of folks 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.840 are saying. Hey, thirteen years and there's no known contact 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.200 between the two. So she look also just might want 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.440 to distance herself from the publicity having that last She 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.320 looked exactly like. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.360 Mama, Right, she looks like Katie Holmes. But you can 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.359 see Tom and her too, Like, I feel like she 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.760 looks like she is. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.719 So recognizable, I guess, so I can understand maybe why 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.320 she doesn't want that last name period. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.320 But it's sad. It's sad. I mean, that's choice to 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.359 make that legal move. You want to distance yourself from 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:23.360 your father's name. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.839 Okay, but there's a couple of ways. You can want 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.919 to distance yourself from the name for professional reason. It 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.919 might not have nothing to do with the relationship you 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.040 have with your dad. Is that fair? 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.720 Absolutely, we have some examples of where that is true. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.640 Okay, But in these instances robes, when you're talking about 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.000 there's no real confirmation, not that we need it and 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.760 we're owed it, right, But when we talk about him 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.240 not having a relationship with her over a decade potentially, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.120 and I don't know what is that real? Is that right? 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.640 Is that's bullshit? I mean, I don't want No. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.600 One has said otherwise. I guess that's the point. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.440 And we haven't seen otherwise either. And we don't have to. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.240 You don't have to prove to us that you're a 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.200 good dad. But these things that brobably is like a 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.760 cascade of kids wanting to distance themselves in robes. Is 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.360 not a matter of because I want to make it 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.440 on my own kind of a thing. Is that I 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.160 don't want to be associated with that other person. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:20.600 Yes. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.320 And the other big famous son that's been making headlines, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.960 of course is Brooklyn Beckham with his father and his mother. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.720 Now he has not dropped his last name, but it 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:31.280 was notable. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.480 When he got married to his wife, they actually changed 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.720 both of their names to Peltz Beckham, so he did 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.560 add his wife's name to his last name. Now he 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.600 hasn't dropped Beckham. She hasn't dropped Beckham's, but. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.080 She's Pelts Beckham as well. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.119 Yes, they're both Pelts. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.640 She picked up the Beckham name. She did, but I'm sorry. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.160 Yes, they have publicly, and he, some would say cruelly 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:04.760 even viciously distanced himself from his parents by airing his 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:09.400 grievances with them on social media. That was pretty awful. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:10.760 And that was just a couple of months ago. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.640 So it just feels like there have been a lot 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.120 of recent people call them nepo babies, but the kids 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:23.680 of uber famous folks publicly distancing themselves from their famous 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.320 parents or from their famous fathers positively. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.240 So there are some theories. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.239 One of them is that, look, if you've lived under 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:36.520 the tabloid microscope your entire life, maybe it's just there's 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.440 a point in which you want to distance yourself from 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.480 your famous last name. You want to be known for 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.680 what you've contributed and what you can do in the world, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.600 and that could possibly be We don't have to jump 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.760 to the conclusion that they have some necessarily bad relationship, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.360 although in the Brad Pitt situation, some of the kids 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.360 have been outspoken and at least one of them has 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.600 and we know just from Angelina and Brad's awful divorce 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.559 that went on forever, there were lots of accusations flying around, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.880 and it does appear that the kids all sided with 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.360 their mom in that case. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.199 So it does seem to be specifically targeted towards it. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.040 I mean, they've all kept Jolie, they've just dropped picked 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.680 at least in the Surrey Cruise one. She dropped cruise, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.800 but she didn't pick up home. She did Noel, So 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.800 maybe we don't know. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:28.600 As much on that one. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.720 I just I hate that the Brad Pitt guin robes 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.560 like there's a domino effect the kid after kid after 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.040 kid you're not proud of, like a guy that we 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.720 are celebrating like I am. So he's one of my 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.120 favorites all time, Like, how is it that the house 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.640 isn't work, that's kid after kid and that there's no 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.600 indictment of him and his parenting and whatever's going on. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.960 I have no idea. I really don't but Robes we 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.400 are parents of that's tough of a lot of kids 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.840 and we are around a lot of kids and Robes 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.640 to us, just what that would feel like that your 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:12.560 kid owns no affiliation, no association with your name, which 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.840 no matter what, robes, that's the one thing you can 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.040 give them that they. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.240 Can It's a legacy in a way, right, and you. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.200 Don't want it. Jolie Pitt should be one of the 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:28.320 most robes. That's why is there a better last name 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:29.600 you can possibly have? 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.520 Entertainment though, when your parents are no longer together and 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.640 certainly not getting along, that's a tough hyphenated name to have. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.360 I would say it is one of the most important, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.280 the most dynamic, the most photographed, the most whatever you 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.360 want to call it, even relevant relationships in Hollywood history. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.800 It actually is. It created things, It ended things. It 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.440 was so it was a legacy. Now, I would like 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.960 to think Robes that that name and their last name 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:08.160 came from at the time a genuine place of love. Genuinely, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.280 you were created in some instances or adopted and this 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.880 name came to you because these two people were in 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.520 a good place and they wanted I am singing it 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.160 in the most robes. I don't know what's happening to 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.679 me over here, but I see it that way, and 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.080 for them, I think they realize that. So for them 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.040 to want to cut part of it out says a 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:34.880 lot to me. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.720 Because there's still half of who they. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.200 Are or not and I do it makes me sad 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.040 because look, we've been through divorce and we know some are. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.960 Easier than others, some are harder than others. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:51.120 But the reality is that just because you are no 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.880 longer with your spouse should not, in any way, shape 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.160 or form, mean that you're no longer with your kids. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.200 And that's the unfortunate part of it. And who's to blame. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.080 No one knows, We'll never know. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.079 But it's just sad. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.520 But it's just a big headline. It just feels like 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.000 there's been a lot of it lately. But it was 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.640 interesting because there are other NEPO babies who've dropped their 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:20.840 last names, not because they've had some awful just riffed 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.040 with their parent, but I even Malia Obama Barack and 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.880 Michelle's daughter, she has dropped the Obama from her professional 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.200 credits because she wants to be She wants to be 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.120 known for her own work. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:34.559 So she goes by Malia Anne. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.400 Because when you have the last name Obama, it could 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.600 be divisive in some circles, for sure, but also you 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.559 don't want it to be that leg up like. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.040 Oh yeah, of course, yes, we can see why she 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.000 got that. It's tough. You're damned if you do, you're 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:49.880 damned if you don't. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.839 Hers is not like Smith, it's not like even it's 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.760 not like even Holmes. When you see Obama, there is 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.880 one place your mind is going to go. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.120 Absolutely, And she looks a lot like him too. She 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.120 looks like the spitting image of him. Actually I thought 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.560 this was cool. I didn't realize this. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:12.080 Liam Neeson's son Michael, dropped Neisson as his last name 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.480 and actually legally changed it to Richardson for his mom, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.040 Natasha Richardson, who God, we loved her. But she died 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.640 in that freak accident, that ski accident. She was just 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.920 standing there. It was in Canada. It was in I believe, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.160 just outside of Montreal, but or Quebec. She just was 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.040 standing there and slipped on ice, hit her head. Said 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.440 she was fine and had a brain beleeve that no 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.040 one knew of, and just like tragically, suddenly died. So, yes, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.760 he changed her last name to honor her. You forgot 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:48.200 Amelia Estevez. I love that he kept his father's actual name, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.080 his father Martin Sheen, and Martin Sheen changed his last 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.640 name because he was kind of pressured into it, because 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.440 no one the whole just you don't want to be Estevez. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.960 So he changed his name to like an American's house name. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.280 His real name was Ramon Ramone Estevez, and he said 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:10.040 he was influenced to change his last name for racist reasons. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.840 How many people listening right now are learning for the 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.360 first time that Martin Sheen's name. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:20.200 Is actually Ramone Estevez. Yes, his name, and so it's interesting. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.960 Emelio decided to go with Emelia Estevez, and of course 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.360 Charlie Sheen chose his dad's last name. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.120 Here's when you might not know either. Nicholas Cage do 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:29.800 you know he changed? 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.560 I know this, I did not. I knew the family connection, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.640 but I didn't put it all. I didn't together with 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.280 the name changed. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.400 I did not know he was Nicholas Coppola. His aunt obviously, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.080 his uncle is Francis Ford Coppola. And he said, as 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.120 a young actor in the eighties, he did not want 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.040 to think he made it because his last name was Coppola, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:50.920 and he said a lot. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.120 This was his quote, I love this. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.560 People would not stop saying things to me like I 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.600 love the smell of Nicholas in the morning because of 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.920 his role in Apocalypse Now or his directing that movie. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:02.960 He said, I decided I don't need this, and I 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.840 changed it to Cage. It's a combination of Luke Cage 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.160 from Marvel Comics and John Cage, the avant garde composer 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.680 speaks volumes about what I've been up to ever since. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.960 So, yeah, I didn't. I had no idea he was 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:17.840 a member of the Coppola family. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.320 See, I didn't realize the name thing. I knew the 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.440 connection to the Coppola family, I did not know the 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:25.520 explanation behind him. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.960 Yeah, that was his actual name. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.920 So there are reasons other than parental riffs that cause 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.560 name changes. When we come back, though, I was curious 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.280 about just us normal folks, like why would someone change 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.400 their name from their father's last name, and how many 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:44.360 Americans are actually estranged from their fathers from their parents. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:56.440 It's actually surprising and welcome back to Amy and TJ. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.040 We are talking about why why someone would choose to 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.720 change their last name other than obviously getting married, which 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.960 I still am always surprised. Eighty percent of women, by 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.040 the way, changed their last name when they get married. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.160 Are you surprised women do that? 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.240 I'm still I'm surprised it's still that high. I know 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.040 where we live in New York. I know I was 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.720 the only person I knew growing up who didn't change 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:19.400 their last name. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.760 Were you surprised that, Hi? You surprised women do that? 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.960 I think I would think in this day and age, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.120 more women would keep their last name y, because everyone 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.720 I know in this industry here in New York is 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.480 tends to be more like that. I'm surprised, Yes, my bubble, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.160 I know how I grew up. Obviously everyone I know 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.720 changed their last name. That was just interesting. So we're 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.760 not talking about that. We're talking about actually choosing to 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.960 change your last name. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.120 And the question is why. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.320 Going back to us now, what we're gonna do with 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:50.600 the last name here? We haven't. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.200 That's another episode. I've never changed my name. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.640 This episode, never changed my never. Maybe in those marriages 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.120 didn't work out, did they? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.240 How would you feel about changing your last name to 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:08.600 with me? Robot Holmes the record, you don't have a 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:09.080 middle name. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:09.520 I do not. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:11.679 I would be open to do. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:17.439 Its outstanding, Amy robot Holmes. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.760 I'm I'm willing to consider it. Willing to consider Yes, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:23.520 I've never considered it before. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.000 You heard it here. It is there. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.040 We are back to white people drop their father's last name. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.560 Some of it is safety hiding from someone that they 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.600 don't want them to find them, so they change their 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.359 last name just because they have stalking harassment issues. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.439 They just want to hide. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.040 The other thing is a fresh start, creating a new 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:49.040 personal or professional identity independent of family history Allah Nick Cage. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.160 And the other one is, yes, the one that we're 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.240 hearing about that possibly could be cutting symbolic ties to 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.800 either an absent parent or an abusive parent. But when 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.439 you hear that name, you just feel ick. You just 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.520 feel like that person wasn't my father, That person didn't 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.000 take care of me. Being a father isn't just about 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.560 financially filling the gap, but also being there on a 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.760 daily basis, being the person you can turn to if 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.760 you need advice, someone who's there to care for you 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.520 and protect you. Yes, so some people feel like they 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.399 want to symbolically cut the ties because they didn't feel 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:22.399 like that was a parent. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.280 So that is why people make that. It's like a 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.080 It is a big move. It's a bold move. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.800 These kids, and especially in the Brad Pitt situation, roped 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:37.520 as soon as soon as they were of age and 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.159 legally able, they ran out and did this. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.240 They lined up what the actual HEPP I know it 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.120 does speak volumes, and I was curious, Look, we're looking 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.199 at this through a celebrity lens, but in terms of 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.960 just Americans. This is from the National Institutes of Health. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.320 I thought this was the best place I could find 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.200 some real statistics. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.200 I thought this was so interesting. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.120 Percent of people report a period of estrangement from their mothers, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.240 and the average age of that estrangement is twenty six. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.119 So okay, that gives you an idea people the strange 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.760 from their moms. It's a really low number. Eighty one 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.840 percent of those people end up making up become unestranged. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.640 I think that's like such an important thing to remember, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.880 the right So six percent is low. That's good to see. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:27.400 It's around twenty six. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:28.280 I thought it was interesting. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.879 Is that average point where you say I'm done and 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.639 but eighty one percent eventually come back together. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.400 Ah, that's cool, all right, you're. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.359 Gonna like this one too, And I'm hoping that this 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.480 the one's to end on a bio note that. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.000 When it comes to fathers, listen to this. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.960 Twenty six percent of people report being estranged from their fathers, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.280 and the average age of the first parental estrangement where 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.000 you're like, I want nothing to do with you is 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.280 twenty three. It makes sense when you get to a 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.720 certain place in your life, you have some perspective. Maybe 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.000 as a kid, you're still hoping and you're, you know, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.880 don't fully understand. When you get to be twenty three, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.040 you're like, you know what, he wasn't there for me. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.800 So twenty six percent of people say they have had 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.000 a period of estrangement from their fathers, and the average 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.240 age starts at twenty three. Sixty nine percent of those 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:19.680 people eventually become unestranged. That is the vast majority. So 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.600 I am hopeful. We can all be hopeful. Yes, we 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.520 see the Surrey Cruz or I guess Surre Noel and 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.960 now the just jo Lee klan, not the pi Joli 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.280 clan that maybe look that's how they feel right now, 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.679 they're young adults. They're looking at the immediate history that 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.639 they know and what they've experienced. But maybe with some 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.879 perspective and some time and some opportunity for Brad and 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.800 for Tom to reflect, for the kids to reflect, maybe 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.640 if you look at these numbers from the National Institutes 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.359 of Health, there is hope that there will be a 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.720 period or a point of reconciliation. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.640 Okay, well, thank you for that. That was a very 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:06.359 hopeful note. Right, we don't get statistics on people that 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:07.919 make up, right. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.000 We always hear about the breakup, but the makeup part 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.240 is important to remember. And when it comes to parents 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.119 and children, I always hope that you can leave a 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:17.760 space for hope, you can leave a. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.840 Space for maybe you didn't know what. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.639 Your parent was going through, or you didn't know until 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.160 you have a kid. I think a lot of times 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:26.679 when you have a kid, all of a sudden, you 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.439 understand your mom more, you understand your dad more. You're like, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.840 that's why they always said that, That's why they always 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.400