WEBVTT - Tulsa HC Frank Haith on Talking Protests With Players, Coaching Path, Lost Season; Recruiting Expert Brandon Goble 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.600 Hey, welcome into the all new All ball Man. Do 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.680 we have a great pod for you? So excited. Frank 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.720 haith uh longtime friend, head coach of Tulsa the Golden 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.400 Hurricane and finished in first place in the A A 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.640 C will be my guest. Will get his thoughts on 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.840 why he left Miami, why he left missoo. Um, how 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.200 close they were to being they are to being special 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.360 at Tulsa, what this is like. And oh yeah, by 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.720 the way, he has a a a personal thought on 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.040 on the protests and on police brutality and kind of 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.800 something interesting that he learned. He learned about the Tulsa 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.160 race rights only after this took place, and now obviously 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.040 I think that's gonna change how he coaches and teaches 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.440 his men in the future. Um. Also on this pod, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.840 we've got a kind of a double double hit hit 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.160 for you. It should be really really good. Brandon Golbel 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.400 joins us. Um he is. If you follow hoops, you 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.319 know he's has Twitter handle at Juco Advocate. Here's a 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.200 guy who will go anywhere to find any player and 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.480 give him a chance to be seen. It's pretty cool. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.800 So Brandon Gobel and Frank, Hey, first, let's let's get 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.040 to our conversation with a head coach of Tulsa gold Hurricane. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.640 Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.200 Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.240 Let's welcome him in. And he's the head coach of 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.720 the Tulsa Golden Hurricane. He's Frank Haith and Um, Frank, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.360 there's a bunch of things I'd love to get to 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.000 you get with you on this this podcast. But let 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.919 me start with something that I did not know until 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:50.280 listening to some of your remarks UM on other podcasts 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.480 and other outlets, that you know what um and and 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.480 maybe this is something I've probably learned, is man, everybody's 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.240 life experience is so different when we see police brutality 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.480 and there's this massive now international movement to end it 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.520 and uh and to change so many things with how 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.600 how police are are purporting themselves. It strikes home, I think, 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.720 especially sharply with you. Sean Bell was your what nephew 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.760 and he was shot and killed in New York. Yes, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:28.080 he was my nephew and back in two thousand six, Um, 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:32.520 you know he uh used at his bachelor party, um, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.480 at a club with some friends and a couple of 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:41.280 other brothers and and he's getting married next day. And 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.760 so he was leaving the club. There's three undercover cops 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:52.600 in the club and uh, I'm assuming that one police officers, 0:02:53.040 --> 0:03:00.240 you know, just unidentified miss unidentified Sean and um, you know, 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.919 pull the gun out on him. And Sean obviously acted 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.080 like any Norman being because he never said who he 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.920 was and got in his car and tried to escape 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:17.280 me intwo of his friends and there was fifty rounds 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.959 shot into the car and he was killed. His two 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.040 friends survived it. Um Uh one of his friends have 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:32.119 shot fourteen times and survived, survived it. But uh, no drugs, 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.520 no guns, no weapons, no, nothing was uh and um, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.480 it's just that I think there's something in my case, dug. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.960 When it happened, I was like, hey, coach at Miami 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.080 and this is uh fourteen years and not really talking 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.880 about it, and um and I think at a time, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.920 you know, I was discerned, worried about my brand. Maybe 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.360 I don't know, afraid, not knowing what to say. How 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.119 they said, I don't want to say the wrong thing. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.760 I don't want to come off as a uh you know, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:11.040 someone that said against police, the policing uh you know, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.400 just so many things, so many factors and uh, as 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.280 I said yesterday, I was I felt guilty about shame 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.159 uh you know, as as George Floyd uh situation played 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.760 out in front of us. UM. And I called my 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.360 brother yesterday because it was the first time I had 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.200 a conversation about sehn and and speaking on it, and 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.640 I apologize and um. But it was a tough time 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.960 for our family and I and that's something to stay 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.160 with me. And I've never even talked about it with 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.760 any of my teams until this team this year. UH. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.800 And I think the reason for doing that was to 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.760 say to them, it could happen to anybody. And we've all, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:01.159 as black men, taught our kids and been taught how 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:08.400 to uh uh engage with terms of engagement with policing 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:14.400 policemen in terms of how we should uh you know, respect, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:22.160 ask questions, don't argue, show your hands, um and uh. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.359 But in this case, in Sean's case, he didn't have 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.920 that opportunity, and UM it was It's a difficult top 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.599 of our family. But every time we see some of 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.719 these incidents, It just brings back that pain that we 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:43.000 as a family endured back in two thousand six. Um, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:48.720 did you? And look? And I'm in no way impugning 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.560 your level. Like I we know each other for a 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.440 long time. I'm a lot of people don't know about it, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.200 so I'm not But did you Did you know about 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.159 the race riots of the ninety twenties in Tulsa before 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.279 I've been you know, kind of brought to people's attention 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.000 following George Floyd's death, You know what I did not? 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.120 And the read and it's funny, Doug, not funny, but 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.640 you know, it's not taught the history books here, and 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.719 it's something that I think as I talked to people, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.520 that's really a sensitive subject and I did not know 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.760 about it. And then obviously when I hear Russell Westbrook 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.640 and Lebron James doing this documentary and learning about it, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.320 that's why I decided to do something with our team too. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.400 And I think it's a coach, Doug. And you know 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.919 this because you know, we have a calling. We have 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.279 a uh, you know, to educate, to teach, that's what 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.120 we do. We're coaches. And and I looked at this 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.480 as an opportunity to continue to educate our kids. And 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.640 we've had a couple of zoom calls to talk about 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.320 some things, and to talk about George Floyd, but also 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.120 talk about you know, I sent them a link on uh, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.599 you know, the Black Wall Street and I asked to 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.200 watch it. Then the next week we we talked about it. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.919 And you know, something so historic is right here in 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.520 our town. And I don't think you know, I haven't 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.280 interjected that with any of my teams here. And uh 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.440 so we we wanted to have a unity walk, not 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.600 a protest, a unity walk, uh to show solidarity, to 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:26.000 show um that we're unified. Uh you know, I've got 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.760 black players, white players, you know, and and and we 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.240 have something we want to do to honor the three 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:38.160 tragedy Brianna Taylor, George Floyd, Ahmad Avery, and to have 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.880 an educational piece of it at the end, uh walk 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:47.280 into Black Wall Street, uh degree with Culture Center and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.239 and it was we we did some you know, putting 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.960 it together in terms of how far the walk would 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.480 be and able to honor those three tragedies. And we 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.240 started at ten o'clock. We got to get at ten 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.160 o'clock and we started our walk at ten fourteen and 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.800 ten fourteen is George Floyd's birthday. And then as we 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.320 started our walk, we got to in a Delaware and 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.440 you know Delaware because you know Tulsa. We paused and 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.440 and and had a moment of silence the twenty seven seconds. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.440 Brianna's birthday was that last Friday, and she turned twenty seven, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.360 so we wanted to honor her. And then the walk 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.840 from there to the Culture Center was two point two 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:33.920 three miles and uh, Ahmad Aubrey's birthday is February, so 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.720 that way we were able to honor all three of 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:42.240 those and to uh get there and then it wasn't open, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.920 but just so happened we were able to communicate with 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.920 someone in there and they allowed us to go in 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.280 and our players were able to see a lot of 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.360 you know, stuff that was been an archived and about uh, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.120 you know, the black black Wall Street and uh and 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.760 and I think that's that was a great experience for 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.320 us a basketball team and uh and something that I 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.680 think that we will continue to do in the future 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.680 in terms of educating our our our young people. I 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.640 had no idea the level of racism because I actually 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.199 I feel like Tulsa is tulsas a lot very midwestern? 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.640 Is I mean obviously you know you lived there, but 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.800 for people who don't like um. But I started to 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.720 know the history of Tulsa and like, hey, did you 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.600 know this happening? Guys in my team and talked who 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.120 are from Oklahoma? Like did you know that? I had 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.400 no idea? But it is. It is fascinating that in 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.040 these moments and now, uh, with your experience now kind 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.080 of learning about it, we're all kind of realizing even 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.720 the flaws to how we've educated kids, right, Like this 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.960 is the bit. What are we teaching our children about history? 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.640 What are we to teaching children that they can use 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.560 kind of in the future as a as a coach 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.280 in a and and as a father and as a 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.840 mentor and you mentor even guys who are still playing 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.040 in the NBA today who recruited going back to your 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.800 days awake and of course the Texas UM what what 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.160 what should we be teaching our children? What are the 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.760 in your minds? What are the right messages that we 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.160 need to relate, especially to our players. Well, you know, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.000 as I've talked to our guys about a couple of things, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.200 is we we we you know, the the George Floyd 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:28.160 uh murder situation has allowed us, as tragic as it was, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.920 is I think we're starting to see change and has 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:38.600 given us a platform as coaches to have serious conversations 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.640 that are uncomfortable and about a lot of things that 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.200 that and I think we've got to continue to have 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.520 those conversation in terms of teaching and educating our our 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:54.200 young people until they become comfortable. And but to me, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.920 we talked about we talked about a lot of things 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.400 in terms of I wish the world was a team 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.280 because you know, and you played on a team. When 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.560 you're in the locker room, football locker room or basketball 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.920 locker the team, what are you teaching your teaching respect, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.120 love for each other, play for each other, Uh, care 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.800 about each other, doing things together. Uh, And that's what 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.200 we need. And the time of crisis that this, you know, 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.800 there are our countries and a lot of pain right now. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.840 And but I do I hope I see when I 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:33.120 see the protesting, and and I've see just as many 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:38.160 white people as I see black people out protesting. That 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.000 gives us all hope. I see it not just in 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.440 the United States, but all over the world. I think 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:49.160 this has spurned a lot of different feeling than we've 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.839 had in the past when we have these situations. Uh. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.920 And this is for the generation after us. And I 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:00.199 think that's what we're doing at if everyone would receive that, 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.040 you know, let's let's let's teach a little bit of love, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.280 let's teach caring, preach one another. And I think the 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.880 one thing we talked about, the other thing we talked 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.120 about our gods is voting. And I know Coach Ravanal 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:16.320 at Georgia Tech, Uh, his comments was so profound, so 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.600 awesome and an encouragement and give it take a move 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.840 them a third off and and and but but how 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.840 can I just understanding you know, they have a voice, 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.920 they can be a part of change. Uh, they can. Uh. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.960 And it's not it's not about voting. The about for 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.840 the presidency is about local We want to we taught 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.680 because we got got small of the country to ask 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.800 the depot and we want to help them understand. But 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.720 they need to get educated on you know, things that 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.000 you you want to see happen in your communities. And 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.440 you know you're you're, you're you're you know you're voting 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.520 for city councilm and you're voting for all kinds of 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.319 things that that are going on that you can create 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.199 and change. And I think helping educate our young people 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.040 to understand they have a voice is the most important thing. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.360 Frank Um, why did you get into coaching? You know, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:09.440 I had a Mike my father. I moved out south 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.800 from New York when I was a very young, uh 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.920 five years old, so I was raised by my grandparents. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:21.600 My grandmother and my coaches were my father figures. I 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.240 actually knew I wanted to coach. My first team sport 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.120 I played on was I was a ten year old 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.320 Mike I think is Mike's a peelie football team. And 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.920 Dr Allen White was my football coach. He was also 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:40.160 the after that director of Elon College. And my my 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.480 people that I looked up to. They had the impact 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.760 of my life and growing up with my coaches, and 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.760 I said, I want to do that. I wanted to 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.120 impact young people like I've been impacted by my coaches. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.120 And I went through college. I couldn't get through it 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.280 fast enough because I wanted I thought I was a 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.640 high school coach and teach. I don't know health and 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.920 Kenney said, I was a pe and that was gonna 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.840 be my career because those people, those are the people 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.640 that had the profound effect on me. So how did 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:10.959 you get your first job? So you get done with 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.920 the Elin College, right, and then how did you how 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.000 did you like take me through the steps of which 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.480 you actually became a coach there? Well, I when I 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.400 when I decided I wanted I didn't want to go 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.200 far away from home. My grandmother was still um my 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.120 senior year, and so I went to Elon, which is 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.640 where I grew up. And as I said at the director, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.360 there was my first coach, brockt down in White. And 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:42.200 you know, first year, my grandmother passed away. And honestly, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.359 I paid for my education. I didn't get a scholarship. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.400 I paid for schooling. UH. And I had all kinds 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.320 of jobs. I you know, I worked in a mill 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:56.480 cleaning UH machines, I U. I did floors, I stripped 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.960 floors and polished floors, UH cut grass. I did every 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.440 I paid my education. And so after my freshman year, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.160 Dr White came to me because I was going back 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.120 to my high school and then a volunteer UH football 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.720 and basketball assistant, he came to me said, listen, Frank, look, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.920 you got a proposition really helped you with school. Uh, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.680 we want you to live in the gym. And we 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.760 had this closet is literally like a closet, and we 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.000 could turn into a space where you can live. And 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.160 you took care of the gym. And and that's how 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.360 I helped me. And I still had two loans, but 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.280 I saw I'll finished up paying for school. And then 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.000 I got involved with working with Bob Burton, who's the 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.320 head coach at Elne time and uh, then I worked 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.040 with Jerry Steele. I worked camp to work seven eight 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.200 seven straight weeks in camp with Jerry school, I started 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.200 working five star and prep stars. I've got no coaches 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.520 do that in the summertime. But I would go out 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.440 recruiting my my junior and senior year in college. I 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.280 had just seven before Hatchtack Pentel. I would go recruiting 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.680 in I had to put boiled in every hundred miles 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.680 because it run out of oil. But but that's how 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.360 that started. And uh, the rest kind of his history 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.520 in Yas and Dave Oh got the job to wait 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.440 for us. Jerry Steele said he got hire this guy. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.480 And I was my first college job beyond Els, I 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.480 was a g at weight force for one year, and 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.120 I became a full time assistant with Kevin Easton right 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.320 after that, and I popped around with a couple of 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:27.440 other places, working some outstanding coaches and Tony Barroney, Rick Barnes, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.040 Jerry Dunn and and uh Kevin Easton. So I feel 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.600 very blessed getting into the profession. And then I had 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.720 opportunity to as a head coach at Miami and Missouri 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.520 and Ali Taulson. Um, I got a bunch of kids. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.520 I got so many players. I want to first time 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.640 you saw Chris Paul's win. Oh, when he's a ninth 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.680 grader and he was a bass. That little sucker was 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.920 so good and we were the first school to offerers 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.920 and uh, um you know, And actually I thought he didn't. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.600 I thought he didn't make varsity until his junior year. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.639 Oh no, not asked, Well, I don't seem they made 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.199 bars out him. Was a nightcrif and Tim Fuller was 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.080 assistant coach at East for Side High School, and Tim 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.800 played it wait for us, so he told me about Chris, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.280 so I would go, I would see Chris, and uh 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.160 we offered him I'm we offered his tenth grade year 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.959 and at wait Parson, but he ended up you know, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.520 Skip recruited in procepted. Dave took a job at South 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.919 Carolina during the senior year and uh. And it got 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.560 a little harry there for for a right, But I 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.040 think they were always going to get him because he's 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.280 right there at hometown guy. Yeah yeah, um, but I 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.320 mean it's pretty interesting. I mean how the town you 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:50.440 you mentioned you mentioned Skip, Um, Tony BARRONI who passed away. Um, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.639 Dave Odom, who of course you worked for. Let me 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.760 start with with with Dave Odom, what what's your if 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.640 you would say, hey, this this is what made Dave 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.280 Odom special, different, unique? What would it be? You know, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.760 the day was always under control. I mean he never 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:13.000 he never felt like he lost his composure during the games. Um. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:19.480 He handled any type of adversity with calmness. Um. Uh. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.800 And I think that's the one thing I took from him. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.720 You know, he never got too high, he never got 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.880 too low. As why you watch those moments of those 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.520 back to back ACC championships and he's calmly walks over 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.320 and sits on the bench when everybody's going crazy, but 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.479 that that was day and and I don't you know, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:44.119 you know, tough losses, great wins. He was the same guy. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:50.520 And he was always very much glass half fool kind 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:55.000 of guy and kept things in perspective. And I and 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.000 I appreciate his calmness and allowing me to grow as 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.840 a coach. I mean, I think Dave was I was 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.280 so blessed worth the guys that really allowed me as 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.159 a young coach in ball with everything every aspect that 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.720 it is to be become a head coach. And and 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.320 Dave was so good to me in that redult um. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.680 Your career trajectory I felt like took off when you 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.720 got to work with Rick barnes Um. Not that it 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.600 hadn't been building, but the level of guys you were 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.159 guys able to recruit and Texas was really kind of 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.439 killing it. And you were known as the you know, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.280 the guy. That's one of the things that allowed you 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.880 to get that Miami job. Um. Okay, so you're you're 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.720 at Wake, You're from you know, I mean you're from 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.040 New York technically, but you grew up in Carolina. How 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.000 did the move to Texas take place? You know, I 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.680 got to know Rick when he was at Clusteron. Um. 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.080 You know he was if you recalled Rick time to Cluston, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.399 he was a he was a tough dude now um, 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.080 but seeing him on recruity trails and and talking to him, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.240 you know, Rick's a personal guy. We both from North Carolina. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.800 He went to Lenore Ryan. I went to Elon, you 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.760 know old Carolina conference guys. So we had a lot 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.320 in common conversation, and Rick tried to hire me. Um. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.560 When I came back to the way, Rick tried to 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.679 hire me. I was there two or three years and 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.720 we started recruiting, like I was kidded Josh Howard, Barry 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.560 san Gala, and I was. I said, I gotta see 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.520 it through here because I couldn't do it as Many 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.359 got the Texas job a year after he was. He 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.800 lost Ricky Stokes and I stayed. I said, coach, if 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.040 it ever opened again, I'll consider it. And uh. And 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.600 then he brought the mirror lea and takes the Cianna job, 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.240 and then and and I went. And it was an 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.159 easy transition because that was one day left Wake and 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:59.320 was going to South Carolina. And so I I went 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.920 to Texas coach and obviously coach turn Texas around. I 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.479 don't know people who understand where the program was. I mean, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.480 I think you know, they were solid, but coach took 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.760 Texas to another level, and uh, you know, the guys 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.080 were recruited. Then it all started with t J Ford. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.879 Uh but you know, because it wasn't quite quite cool 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.200 yet to go to Texas being from Texas, and p 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.680 J made it cool to go to Texas. Um and 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.919 he was the first one, and then obviously from Daniel 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.280 getson to LaMarcus all Rich. But one of my greatest recruits. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.920 There was one that nobody hardly recruited and I was 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.399 pg T p J Tucker. Nobody recruited PJ. And I 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.879 remember bringing h p J name the coach, and I 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.879 just saw I lived to North Carolina. I saw p 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.920 J play because I have roots here in North Carolina. 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.119 Will go back in the truth, and he played a 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:56.000 kid out you partly member's named Shavlick Randolph who was 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.280 the number one player in the country. And I was 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.879 at the game and PJ had like Woody and twenty 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.680 something crazy number and twenty bree Bounds and I remember 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.479 when as a coach, this kid is something special and 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.199 because like what was this is? I don't know he 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:12.879 used the player. I don't know what. I don't know 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:14.880 where you put him that on the court. And he's 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.199 a ryant Carolina or or even late for US or 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.440 anything bos with Crutain coach. I don't know, I mean, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.800 but I think I know we can play for US 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.440 and the first we signed it and I don't push 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.480 me the song. But he did call his buddy John 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.600 Lift to verify did he could play in John Lift. 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.879 He's the headquater of no right, Franks right, He's a 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:40.560 good player. So uh, first workout, p J is awful, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.720 I mean god awful, throws up in the trash and 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.840 he's got a shade and uh, River coach just killing 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.200 me about him. Uh actually started killing me when he 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.480 was want to visit because we went to this place 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:58.600 and and p J. P J ordered like five lobster 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:04.119 tells for I Lockster. They were so expens be woman 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.840 of bad boys down one bite. Uh. But uh, he 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.040 he end up benefit to go and he left after 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.680 three years and obviously he was the twelve Player of 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.920 the Year and uh and he's still playing in the NBA. 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.840 You you get your first job at Miami. What's that like? 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.560 You like you've been doing You've been doing it for 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.240 fifteen years or so, and now the head coach is 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.800 a big time program. What do you remember about your 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:35.080 first days on the job there? The first one I 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.680 got here, which is pretty awesome Letterally Hamilton's flew in. Uh. 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.359 He was the head he did just be came to 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.879