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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into the all new All ball Man. Do

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Speaker 1: we have a great pod for you? So excited. Frank

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Speaker 1: haith uh longtime friend, head coach of Tulsa the Golden

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Speaker 1: C will be my guest. Will get his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: why he left Miami, why he left missoo. Um, how

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Speaker 1: the way, he has a a a personal thought on

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Speaker 1: on the protests and on police brutality and kind of

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Speaker 1: something interesting that he learned. He learned about the Tulsa

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Speaker 1: race rights only after this took place, and now obviously

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna change how he coaches and teaches

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Speaker 1: his men in the future. Um. Also on this pod,

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Speaker 1: we've got a kind of a double double hit hit

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Speaker 1: for you. It should be really really good. Brandon Golbel

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Speaker 1: know he's has Twitter handle at Juco Advocate. Here's a

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Speaker 1: guy who will go anywhere to find any player and

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Speaker 1: give him a chance to be seen. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So Brandon Gobel and Frank, Hey, first, let's let's get

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Speaker 1: to our conversation with a head coach of Tulsa gold Hurricane.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome him in. And he's the head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Tulsa Golden Hurricane. He's Frank Haith and Um, Frank,

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of things I'd love to get to

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Speaker 1: you get with you on this this podcast. But let

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Speaker 1: me start with something that I did not know until

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Speaker 1: listening to some of your remarks UM on other podcasts

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Speaker 1: and other outlets, that you know what um and and

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Speaker 1: maybe this is something I've probably learned, is man, everybody's

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Speaker 1: life experience is so different when we see police brutality

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Speaker 1: and there's this massive now international movement to end it

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Speaker 1: especially sharply with you. Sean Bell was your what nephew

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Speaker 1: and he was shot and killed in New York. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know he uh used at his bachelor party, um,

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Speaker 1: so he was leaving the club. There's three undercover cops

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Speaker 1: you know, just unidentified miss unidentified Sean and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: shot into the car and he was killed. His two

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Speaker 1: friends survived it. Um Uh one of his friends have

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Speaker 1: shot fourteen times and survived, survived it. But uh, no drugs,

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Speaker 1: no guns, no weapons, no, nothing was uh and um,

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Speaker 1: it's just that I think there's something in my case, dug.

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Speaker 1: When it happened, I was like, hey, coach at Miami

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Speaker 1: and this is uh fourteen years and not really talking

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Speaker 1: I don't want to come off as a uh you know,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, as as George Floyd uh situation played

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Speaker 1: I apologize and um. But it was a tough time

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Speaker 1: And I think the reason for doing that was to

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Speaker 1: But in this case, in Sean's case, he didn't have

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Speaker 1: And the read and it's funny, Doug, not funny, but

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a coach, Doug. And you know

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Speaker 1: I feel like Tulsa is tulsas a lot very midwestern?

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Speaker 1: And it's not it's not about voting. The about for

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Speaker 1: the depot and we want to help them understand. But

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Speaker 1: they need to get educated on you know, things that

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Speaker 1: you know you're you're, you're you're you know you're voting

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Speaker 1: and change. And I think helping educate our young people

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Speaker 1: Frank Um, why did you get into coaching? You know,

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Speaker 1: closer kid that and I think you did one of

431
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: our games. And in New York St. Johns who played St.

432
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: John Jack m Clinton became an unbelievable player here transferred

433
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: to Tiana and he's guys in the number in the rackets,

434
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: one of the all time these people in shooters in

435
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: a sec um and had a tremendous career at Miami.

436
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, I was I was I was before I

437
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna have you on. I was researching

438
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: and I remember, like I saw your second game at

439
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: Miami you lost to South Carolina State, and I just wonder,

440
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: what like that can you compare that to like a

441
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: couple of years later, you guys started out twelve and

442
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: oh you win a preseason tournament you VCU and Providence

443
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: in Mississippi State and St. You know St. John's what

444
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what's that like from early on where you're

445
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever question yourself, like, man,

446
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: this thing and to work to all of a sudden

447
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: it takes a couple of years. What's it like when

448
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: it hits, when you're like, this will work? But you know,

449
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: I think when you have, I've been very blessed. We

450
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: talked about some of the people I've worked for and

451
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: and and people that I could call and rely on

452
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: in terms of from it their experiences and um, you know,

453
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: George Raveling was someone else that I leaned on, and

454
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: you know that's outing of the state was you know,

455
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: I opened, but I think, you know, I felt like

456
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: we had some solid players that we could build on.

457
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: But you know, it was just being consistent. I had

458
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: good people working with me. You know, you have to

459
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: have a good staff. You know, you're only as good

460
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: as the people around you that kept me encouraged and motivated.

461
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: And uh and my family. You know, my wife was tremendous.

462
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I had this opportunity, and I knew

463
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: I was prepared because the coaches that I've worked for

464
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: are giving me the opportunity to give me the tools

465
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 1: that I needed to be successful. And and I embraced

466
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: those opportunities that I had. I you know, I tell

467
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: young coaches this all the time, whoever you work for.

468
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: You don't just particularly being a young African American coach

469
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: in this business, you get labeled as just a recruiter.

470
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: You know, I get my first job because uh, you know,

471
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I was able to have the number one recruited class

472
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: in the country with LaMarcus old Rich and Draniel Giftson

473
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: and Mike Williams and all those guys. But you better

474
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: be able to handle all the things that come along

475
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: with being a head coach. You better be able to

476
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: do speaking. Again, she's better be able to do radio edit.

477
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: You better be able to uh do scheduling. Uh you know,

478
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: how do you how do. How do you learn if

479
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: you don't know how? Right, Like like the speaking speaking stuff,

480
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: you're very good at it, but you've always I mean

481
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: I we met when you were in Texas and like

482
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: you've never you've never been somebody who like, well that

483
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: guy really needs to work on this presentation. But how

484
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: if you if that's not something you do naturally, Well,

485
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: how do you work on it? I think you've got to.

486
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: You learn, You get better by doing. And I was

487
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have coaches like when we would play

488
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: on Big Mondays, you know in the Big twelve. Rick

489
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Barnes wouldn't do that. We had our we had our

490
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: our conference calls on Monday, so I would do his

491
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: This his part of comference calls on Mondays. When we

492
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: play on Big Mondays with the radio and ask the questions. Um.

493
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: So you you learn, you get better at it by doing.

494
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: And I tell jump Fakes, you can't like you're gonna

495
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be good at it the first time

496
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: you do it. You know Kim English who worked for me,

497
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: the first time he did a scouting court, he struggled.

498
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: Kim English is one of them. He's a stuff. He

499
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: is a stark in this business. But he'll tell you

500
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: the first time he did a Scoutter report, he struggled.

501
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: And I think you learn you get better by doing

502
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: and and you can't be discouraged. You gotta It's like

503
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: riding a bike, right you, Paul, You get but you

504
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: got to get back on that bike and ride it again.

505
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: And you get better by continue to be persistent, to

506
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: tine to do it. Contiue to work on it, continue

507
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: to practice and and and then and but but but

508
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: you have to actually do it. I think that's how

509
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: you get better. Why the Missouri job, you know, it's

510
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: here seven years and I enjoyed Miami. We still own

511
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: our home and minded and um. The traction there at

512
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: that time was the fan base and the the rapid

513
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: fan base, the energy, the um and you know, I

514
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: just wanted it. Wanted something briffer and uh. But what

515
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I loved what we had because I thought we had

516
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: created a program that was going to be just take

517
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: off here at Miami. And and Jim came in and

518
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: obviously they did because we had a lot of young

519
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: guys here and it was hard to me and I

520
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: was really emotional telling those guys that I was leaving,

521
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and because I knew with the Kawan Jones and we

522
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: had Kenny Kaji sitting now, we had you know, we

523
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: had so many guys, uh you know, Reggie Jones that

524
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: we were really google to be really really good about

525
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the Grand Durrant Scott and we're gonna be really good. Um.

526
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: But I wanted I wanted something different, and uh um

527
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it was tough. But you know, three years we won

528
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: seven six games at Missouri, you know, three straight postseason

529
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: and we looked that first team was terrific. There was

530
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: the senior laden we only had seven scholarship players win

531
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: thirty games. Uh but we also won forty six games

532
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: the next two years, and we had recruited well enough

533
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: to containue some success there. Um. Um, But I you know,

534
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed my time at Mansouri. I had a

535
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: had a great experience there because we're really good, had

536
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: a great fan base. Um. And you know, at that time,

537
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: I just felt like I wanted something different. I want

538
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: to try something different. I was young enough, you know,

539
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: um to do it. And um but I enjoyed my

540
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: time there. And we you know, we still, like I said,

541
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: we still have great friends, great relationships here in Miami

542
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: because this is probably gonna be our home whenever we

543
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: hang it out. You mentioned that first team. Of course

544
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: he was famous for not just having seven scholarship players.

545
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: But you guys, you were the first to really really

546
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: commit to true small ball. Like we played small when

547
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I was at Oaklahoma State and we had Mason at

548
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: the four, but Ricardo Bratliff as you know, just a

549
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: just a junkyard dog inside as your five and the

550
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: pressy boys, Kim was really your fore man, right, who's

551
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: like a point for point power forward and Marcus Demmon?

552
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: How did that come to? Was that? Was that? Just? Um?

553
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: What was the what is the was the what is it? Necessity?

554
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Is the root of all invention? Or was that the plan?

555
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: In the second you got there? It wasn't the plan?

556
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: And uh, you know lost Pollowers was an All conference

557
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: player towards a c L. I was out recruiting and

558
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: he tears as a c L. And so you know,

559
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: we really didn't have a lot of size. Uh you know,

560
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: we had a kid to being Green was a pressman

561
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: that was read sure the year before and he end

562
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: up leaving the middle of the year and and and

563
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I looked at our

564
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: team and I said, we gotta have our best players

565
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: out here. And you know, Kimmy was and I called

566
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Kimny in and and and he'll tell you a story,

567
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: perbade him. I said, kim we're gonna have to probably

568
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: play it before and I need you. I know you

569
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: visit yourself being a off guard in the NBA, and

570
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: and and but you're gonna play like a guard and

571
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna play this position. But you're smart enough and

572
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: you're you're you're tough enough to be able to handle

573
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: it on both ends or the floor. Oudity, they're gonna

574
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: have a tough time guard you, but you're going to

575
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: be good enough to do it on a defense the end.

576
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: And now we'll give up some things, but here's what

577
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: I want you to focus on. Just keeping your guy

578
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: off the guards. Just keep your guy off the glass

579
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be and with your quickness, you'll you'll

580
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: have your way. And we played Kansas twice that year,

581
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: and kim me a upday is the I mean, Jeff

582
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: with the you would just se putting in a garden

583
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: because we're party had the guard Thomas Robinson and just

584
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: with the struggle two times against him, and but Keimerson

585
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: tells him he was fought in. He would you know,

586
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: he was stricken him on the way on his turn

587
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: and then he had a you know, a hard time guarden.

588
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: But they ended up you know, I give Bill credit.

589
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: He ended up putting a guard on him on the

590
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: other end to the second time we played them, Um,

591
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: but it was something and then and then we just

592
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: had a system where we taught spaces. Those guys really

593
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: were comfortable with sharing the ball and that was that

594
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: was something I thought coming from the year before they

595
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: they was a lot of sis. But you know, Marcus

596
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Denman and Kim Eng was Ricardo, they were scores and

597
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: even might get there were all scores. But getting them

598
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: to understand it doesn't matter. There's gonna be some guys

599
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: at night. We got enough guys who can score that

600
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: we They shared the ball like crazy, Doug and and

601
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: the still to this day, I think the numbers of

602
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: that team offensive points per possession is one of one

603
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: of the since they started doing that, one of the

604
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: best in the countries in terms of Once they started

605
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: doing that, stack um and we were lethal and we

606
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: had a big managhot seventy or seventy percent from the floor. Uh.

607
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: And then those guys were so good at you know

608
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: when we got stay and they could play in space, uh,

609
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: and they could shoot. So you you really struggle figuring

610
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: out how to defend them, you know, and you know,

611
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: could you if he got up on him, they all

612
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: can handle them all well enough to deck it to

613
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: go buy you if he stayed awesome, they well, they

614
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: all could shoot it. And so but we also had

615
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: a threat inside if we didn't make jump shots, which

616
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: allowed that to open up the perimitive game. So it

617
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: was that was a team that you know, there was

618
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: determined too. They had good leadership at Marcus and Kenney

619
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: and and I really believed when we look at that team,

620
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: that seems really good. But if Mike Dixon stays with

621
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: us the next year, I thought that team was an

622
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: even better because we had still Mike, and then we

623
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: had recruited you know, Lawrencepis team making, We had out

624
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: to Yaki with Jabari Brown, we had Kean Bell. That

625
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: team was super super talented and had a chance to

626
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: be really good, but then we lost Mike Dixon before

627
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: season got boring. Um, if somewhere were if if you

628
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: wanted to make a statement about how and why it

629
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: ended at Missouri, right, what what would what would what

630
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: would you want people to understand? Oh man, that's a

631
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: tough one. Um. I had. I had a great my

632
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: family loves Columbia and UM my daughters, she dances competitively

633
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: and that the dance company has se Pack is tremendous

634
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: and helped her get her start. Um my wife loved

635
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the college town. Um it was. It was one of

636
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: those things, does that you know, I just I'll be

637
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: honest with you. Uh, you know, I had you know,

638
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I was told that at that time that you know,

639
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I was getting an extension and uh uh and then

640
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. And and you know, a professional standpoint, Uh,

641
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta you gotta look out for your family.

642
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: You gotta do a specify family. And I didn't feel

643
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: good about that situation because of that, uh you know.

644
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: And and there's nothing I didn't take anything personal. I

645
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: just it's just that I felt like I had to

646
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: do something. I had to do what was best for

647
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: my family. And at that point in time, UM, you know,

648
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: I felt we were successful and we were going to

649
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: continue to be successful. Um. Um and uh but um,

650
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: but not. I was incomfident that, uh, that they had

651
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: enough confidence in me and supporting me to continue to

652
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: be their head coach. And that's just been honest. And

653
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: uh but you know, like I said, there's no howse

654
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: films because I loved I still root for Canso to

655
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: do well. There have a lot of passions for that

656
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: university and what it stands for. And uh, but that

657
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: was a tough decision for me to make at that time.

658
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously the only thing is on my

659
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: mind was what was destiny and my family. You get

660
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: to Tulsa and obviously that anybody who knows anything about

661
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: basketball Tulsa went through has had some amazing coaches, right,

662
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean they had to run there. You know where

663
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: you had Tubby, Steve Robinson, Bill Self, Buzz Peterson right

664
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: like where he's like man just kind of lying up

665
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: coach after coach. Um. And you know, you can go

666
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: back obviously to the early mid eighties when they had

667
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Nolan As as their head coach. Great history of being competitive,

668
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: but but there was there was some dormant years. Of course,

669
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you replaced Danny Manning, who had taken to the n

670
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: c A tournament. What what did you when you first

671
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: got to Tulsa. A lot of people thought, he's give

672
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: me there for a year or two, then he's gonna

673
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: move on. That's what everybody does a Tulsa. Um. When

674
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: you first when you first got on boots on the

675
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: ground in Tulsa, would you think, Yeah, I was excited

676
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: about you know, obviously, when you take a good job,

677
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: you excited about another start. And uh, you know, I

678
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: knew about the tradition of the program, but I knew

679
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: we were going to be we would have a different

680
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: challenge on our hands because we were going to tack

681
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: on a uh you know, a job that was going

682
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: to be joining a conference at a different level. You know,

683
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: the American compasses obviously a lot different encompassers said, and

684
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: planning the competition that we were playing. I mean, Yukon

685
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: had just won a national championship, uh two years prior

686
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: and uh, and we were joining the comperence with the

687
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: national champions and so um and uh obviously I think

688
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: you look at my career, I've had jobs when we

689
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: were taking over jobs, you know. And when I came

690
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: to Miami, we were just joining the a SEC when

691
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I when I went to Missouri, we were only in

692
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: the big troll we had and we went to the

693
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: SEC and and you know, obviously moved there, and say,

694
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: was a huge job. There's a different jump in those

695
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: those other jumps, and uh, but I was excited about

696
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: the opportunity. We had some really good players in our program.

697
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, James Water and she Killed Harrison were really

698
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: good players. And uh, those guys are got backcourt. When

699
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: you got good guards, you know this, You're you're a

700
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: really good guard on the team. And you know, when

701
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: you got good guards, you got a chance. And uh

702
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: so I felt like we had a chance. And obviously

703
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: whoever you get back to the tournament my second year,

704
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: um um, and and she Killed Harrison's that still playing

705
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: the NBS. And there's a guy's a two star recruit's

706
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: playing the NBA. And uh, Danny did a good job here.

707
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: And I'd say Doug wog So who recruited a lot

708
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: of those players too. There were some good solid players here.

709
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: And we were a senior lady team, uh, a junior

710
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: lady team, and and we were able to you know,

711
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: since we's been in this league, we've won to play

712
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: most games in this league. I don't know that people

713
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: know that, uh behind Cincinnati and Houston and uh, you know,

714
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: we won more games in Memphis and Temple and other

715
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: traditional rich basketball holmes in this league. But uh, I was,

716
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: but I was excited for the challenge of you know,

717
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: taking over team he's got some great tradition and joining

718
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: a league that had some really good basketball, good coaches

719
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: and uh and and I looked at as a great opportunity,

720
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: uh to day to grow and and uh and and

721
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: and I was excited about, you know, and now with

722
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: them we had which to state and I think this

723
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: it's it's been a great transition for them in this

724
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: league and helping our league. And I think our league

725
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: is perceived to be one of the better leagues in

726
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: the country. Um, then you finally get it right, right,

727
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: you get to your kind of the sweet spot where

728
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: this year you're in first place in the league and

729
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: now you can't go an n c A tournament appearance

730
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: was definitely was pretty much a definite right and it

731
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: gets right. Yeah, mean like I think, I mean the

732
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: only I mean, you know, we can it was a

733
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: weird year. I can't I couldn't see it not getting

734
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: in you know you beat Houston. Um, you guys are

735
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: playing with going yeah, I mean and you would and

736
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: you would have had an opportunity to you would have

737
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: been had an opportunity had the conference room had been

738
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: played to beat those teams a second time, which would

739
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: have it would have been end of end of discussion, right,

740
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: but sho'd be You know, it's not you had road

741
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: wins as well. Wasn't just that you want home games? Um?

742
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: When your team had gotten better as the year went on.

743
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, all you check out of all the boxes?

744
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: For me, what looks and feels like an n c

745
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: A tournament team? You win your league? What? What's that?

746
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: What's it been like though? For um? For a kind

747
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: of the dormancy of three months after really having your

748
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: team rolling and expecting to get an n c A

749
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: tournam at birth, it was tough, you know. And and

750
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: it's funny. We were all at the tournament Coerce tournament

751
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: and uh, you had the first round. By you you're

752
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: starting to see the buzz with the cancelations of tournaments

753
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: and and we got that word. We had to relay

754
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: that to our team. I mean, we had we had

755
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: two seniors that were terrific, terrific student athletes and Mark

756
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Zibano first team All Leaguer and lost with Kreta and

757
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: the the the the the conversation and they need the

758
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: look on their face of the emotions. Um, it was tough.

759
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: It was tough. And then we you know, we drove

760
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: to the tournament and we that drive back was tough.

761
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: And then going in the locker room. Uh, and visit

762
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: with those guys when we got back. I mean, just

763
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: the fund fine nite of that was just incredible. I mean,

764
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: you mean, how do you in the season. I've never

765
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: obviously nobody has end of the season just like that,

766
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: and uh, and we had a team that I think

767
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: the way we played, you know, you established yourself as

768
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: a coach, and you talked about how we played at

769
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: Missouri and you know, you do different things, and but

770
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: the way that team played defense, defense, I thought there

771
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: was a chance to really be a problem for people

772
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: in postseason played and I felt like and we were.

773
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: We were a confident team. And you know, when you

774
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: get your team to play to the level where they

775
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: believe in what they're doing and you've got rotations, you

776
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: got you got roles defined and everybody's buying in. Now

777
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: you feel good about you've got something special, because that's

778
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: all that's It's hard to get to that point, right,

779
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, when you build your team throughout the year,

780
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: when you finally feel like you at that point where

781
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: everybody understands their roles, they embrace it, they understand and

782
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: embrace it. You you know, you you've got confidence in

783
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: how you're playing, you know how you want to play day.

784
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of your your execution. Um, and

785
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: I felt like it was it was it was a

786
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: tough time and uh um, but you know it was

787
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: the right call, you know, in terms of what was

788
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: going on in our country. Um and I think that

789
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: whereas I was disappointed and hurt for our seniors and

790
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: our program, but it was the right call. Um. Okay,

791
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: Now you have as much as you losing Ban, who's

792
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: a he was a monster, right, just an absolute monster,

793
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: six really really talented kid. But most of your team

794
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: is back next year. How have you like, how challenging

795
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: has it been to re recruit him them get your

796
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: new guys keptain? Like? What has this been like for you?

797
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: It's such a hum you know, different right because we

798
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: we we you know we had to We signed three

799
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: guys before guys the spring, uh without even them visiting.

800
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: And so that's been taught, you know, and and keep

801
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: your guys engaged and um, you know when when you

802
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: know there there's a moment of nothing right, no gym,

803
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: No you can't be anywhere but you know, isolated and

804
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: but but continue to visit with those guys in extremely

805
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: import and in at the level where we're at, you

806
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: know where this you know transfer epidemic is has become

807
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: uh something that's uh prevalent and uh um but I

808
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: will I will tell you that we you know, we've

809
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: done a really good job of spending time with our players,

810
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: talking with them, um, you know, and and and and

811
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: with the zoom. But the technology we have today with

812
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Zoom calls uh and we're able to have a really

813
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: good recruiting class too. I'm excited about that will give

814
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: us some pieces. Uh. Missing a bottle is going to

815
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: be tough because he's the first team all lager and

816
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: even lost and to all those losses numbers, UH don't

817
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: really say what his value was to our team, and

818
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: he was. He's tremendous in the locker room, but also

819
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: execution and you understand this stuff. Execution wise, he's unbelievable

820
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: on both ends of the floor. And those things don't

821
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: show up in the stats. Like he was always in

822
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: the right place in our matchup zone. He was always

823
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: where he needed to be in terms of rotating, taking

824
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: a charge of you know, uh, you know that in

825
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: terms of the rules in ourselves. And and then on offense,

826
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: in terms of moving ball movement, what about having that

827
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: guy and you were this guy, that one guy on

828
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: your team that moved the ball. If you can absolutely

829
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: count on when you know, when you need a ball moving,

830
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: that ball gets you know, you know, sticking, novelcro, you

831
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: want that ball star sticking. You want that one guy

832
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: when he got it, he was gonna reverse it and

833
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: and and can knock down open shot when he had it.

834
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: But but that's what Lawson brought to this team. So

835
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: we'll miss those two guys. But we had two guys

836
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: sitting out, a really good two Oklahoma kids, um Turtis

837
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: Heywood to transfer from Georgia Tech and and a Keyshawe

838
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Nambory Sinson the transferred Markansas. So I think a perimeter

839
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: game will be really really good. Uh, you know, we've

840
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: got we have to see what we we will have

841
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: to be our post position? Will we have to man

842
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: by three different guys rotating in there. Um, we won't

843
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: get Martin's numbers by any one person, but hopefully collectively

844
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: we'll be able to get something. But I do like

845
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: what we will get from our primers in terms of

846
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: what Tishan and Kurt Spring and then Brandon Rochelle, who's

847
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: an all elite performer coming back. So I think we

848
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: have a chance to be pretty good. But you know,

849
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Tom will tell and I said this about last year's

850
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: team will pick ten, So you know, uh, Tom will

851
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: tell you know in terms of how we developed and

852
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: how we come together throughout the season. Last thing, Um,

853
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: you have a great relationship and a good affinity for

854
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: for Rick Barnes. I I didn't like him when we

855
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: played against him because I didn't know he was so sarcastic, right,

856
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't you know? I was a kid. I

857
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: had no idea. And um, I mean I've known him

858
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: for a long time, sort of through Larry Shiatt, who

859
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: recruited the West Coast back when they are Providence, and

860
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: I like coach Shy, but I just didn't get And

861
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: then I got to know Rick Barnes is like, he's

862
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: the best. He's an unbelievable dude. Um, if give me,

863
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: give somebody one story like this. Here's Rick Barnes in

864
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: a nutshell go. Oh my god. I mean where, I mean,

865
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: where do I start this guy? I was like, I mean, oh, man,

866
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: I tell you the one and one of my favorite

867
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: stories about Rick. Uh. We were Final four. Uh, two

868
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: thousand and three. We're in the Final four. Uh, We're

869
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: playing Syracuse and Rick is in the locker room and

870
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: I would always sit with him and joke with him

871
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: and talk to him. And I'm serious, I mean I

872
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: kind of in and out, go get a bottle of water.

873
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: And I walked back in the locker room and the

874
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: suckers did dead to the bone sleep. He's out of it,

875
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't bother him. I was like, man,

876
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean I could almost hear him snore. I mean,

877
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: he was so he was, he was, he was stone

878
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: out of it. And all of a sudden, Rick Barnes

879
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: when the guys walked back in, he could turn it

880
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: right on, like like a light switch. And uh that

881
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: was That's so that got so impressive. And you know

882
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: he you know, the one thing that I learned from

883
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: coach is adaptability. And you know, when we got t J. Ford,

884
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: and you know, you his constant teams, they were so

885
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: motion oriented and ball movement, you know, cutting and they

886
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: had those two big physical guys or blocker screeners. And

887
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: and then when we got t J. Ford, he was

888
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, you put that ball in his hand, you

889
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: let him put so to me, being able to adjust

890
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: to your personnel, to me, that's coaching. That's what I

891
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: learned from coach. You know, being being having the the

892
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: the trust in yourself and not being fearful to change.

893
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: And he was so good at that and and I

894
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: love him for giving me that quality, you know. And

895
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: I look at my career as a head coach. I

896
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: haven't been afraid to change and to learn and and

897
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: and and you know, every year you're learning, you you

898
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: even get better, you get worse. You don't stay the same.

899
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: And uh, he's one of those guys that is always

900
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: looking at new ways to get some things done. And uh,

901
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think his defense has been pretty staple,

902
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: but I'll go I think he's changed that a little

903
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: bit in terms of his aggressiveness on the ball and

904
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of coming on a little bit. But uh,

905
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: but he's a special man. I mean, I love it.

906
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's he's one. He's one of my

907
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: best friends. And I love him for what he's done

908
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: for me and my family and rely on him. And

909
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: and you know you've been around him. The guys never

910
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: had a dull moment. I mean the guys. He's full

911
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: of fun and and and and uh my wife absolutely

912
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: loves Rick and he's just so joyable and he's just

913
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: a great person. You know, he goes out of his way,

914
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: um to do things for you. But he still has

915
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: a insurance policy on my son that he paid and

916
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: that he started. I mean, and I worked for him,

917
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what sixteen years ago, seventeen years ago,

918
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: and uh we took it over, but he started it.

919
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: And uh, he's just a good human being and uh

920
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: loves people. Yeah, I think where we started it is

921
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of where we ended, right because that this is

922
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: why basketball guys, I think struggles so much and coaches

923
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: struggle so much with the idea of racism because when

924
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: you said, like, look, you you gotta learn, you gotta evolve,

925
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: you gotta adjust, and if you can't learn, evolve and

926
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: adjust to the changing times and how views have changed

927
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: and how people have changed how you need to treat them,

928
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: then you're going to be a dinosaur and you're gonna

929
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: be left behind. The same is true in life as

930
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: as it is in sports. That fair, That's absolutely fair.

931
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: And that's a great segue to what we just talked about.

932
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Is that's awesome. But that's exactly the way life is

933
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: and what you just said. And if you don't, if

934
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: you're not willing to change and adapt, uh, you'll become

935
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: stale and you and you recharge your development. And that's

936
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: that's that's life and I and I that's awesome, Dog,

937
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for saying that. Well, listen, I appreciate

938
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: you coming on with us. You've always been kind of me.

939
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: You always have an unbelievable staff. I can't believe you

940
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: have Jerry Wayne. We haven't told me Jerry Wayne Wright

941
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: stories those pier Main off air um. But the meantime,

942
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: take take care of your family and your team. Can't

943
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: wait to see you guys back in the Runalds Suttern

944
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: next year. And and thanks for joining me. God bless you, dog,

945
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: thank you be sure to catch the live edition of

946
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show week days at three p m.

947
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: Easter noon Pacific. Let me go from Frank Keith to

948
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Brandon golbl Now, I were in this kind of really

949
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: odd new world right where my dad for years had

950
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: Branch West Basketball and he he was like a placement

951
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: service and actually for years he did it for free,

952
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: where he would have his players and he would find

953
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: the right fit. And his belief was, you know, anybody

954
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: wants to play college basketball's good enough in starting their

955
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: high school. We can find a place for you to

956
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: play if you have grades. Whether you play or not,

957
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: you just make the team. There's so many different levels

958
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: to it, or at least before COVID nineteen and quarantine

959
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: and the economy there that we're a lot of levels

960
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: to it. Um. But then he basically ran a placement

961
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: service and you know, you pay him to come evaluate

962
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: your kid. Then he put together a highlight tape and

963
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: they'd say, look, if I get you to this level,

964
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: this is the level I think your kid can play at.

965
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: You pay me, acts, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Brandon does this,

966
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, goodness of his heart, unbelievable service to the kids.

967
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: He just loves ball, and they go around the country,

968
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: around the world. They put on camps and they try

969
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: and discover kids and then you know, bring the taste

970
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: back and send them out to you know, put it

971
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter and just try and help. It's about the players.

972
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: You can fall him on Instagram, um, and of course

973
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: you can fall him on Twitter as well at Juco Advocate.

974
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: He's he's uh, He's become a good friend and I

975
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: think this is the perfect day to have him on.

976
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: As Brandon Golbol joins us here in the All Ball podcast.

977
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: Let me let me start with this. This is just

978
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: a weird year. There's no Hutch right, So anybody who

979
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: knows anything about Juco basketball, you know, like that's what

980
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: team needs a guy late in a year, and Hutches

981
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: different now, and Juco basketball is different now than it's

982
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: ever been. How different from your perspective? Is a guy

983
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: who's covered this for years, you really know players and

984
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: recruiting and is the spring recruiting non recruiting period. So

985
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: it was it was definitely interesting to see. Is everything

986
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of fell apart um really fast? Right, Like there

987
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that were just kind of

988
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: still doing their normal recruiting stuff, saying, hey, we're gonna

989
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: wait till Hutch. You know, we're not gonna really hit

990
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: some of the conference tournaments and things like Hutch is

991
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, to everything's going to be fine. I

992
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: was getting ready to go to Paris and run a

993
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: camp over there and stuff, and then all of a sudden,

994
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: everything just like collapsed. And and so now all of

995
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, these coaches are going we have these scholarships

996
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: sitting here that we haven't done anything with, we haven't

997
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: really dug in all that deep. We were waiting for Hutch,

998
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: and now what do we do? And and so all

999
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Uh, synergy, right, synergy was was spiking.

1000
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Like their views on on junior college stuff was going

1001
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: up anyways in January and February as people were kind

1002
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: of preparing, but there their usage for junior college film

1003
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: just went to the room. I mean, it's it's the

1004
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: most it's ever been by leaps and bounds. And so

1005
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: people were suddenly hammered, hammering tape and and just trying

1006
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: to figure it all out, and uh, you know, making

1007
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: a million phone calls and and it's just it was

1008
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic honestly. Um, guys were getting offers

1009
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: from places that you're like, oh, man, like that's you know,

1010
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: that's too high, or you know that doesn't make any sense,

1011
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: or you know, it's just I think guys didn't know

1012
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: what to do, and so there was a little bit

1013
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: of a panic that set in. And it's it's chilled

1014
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: out some since then, but um, it was it was

1015
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: wild for a little bit. Who's been who's been the

1016
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: most impressive, like in terms of some of their late

1017
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: gets that you've noticed. Yeah, I think Kansas State actually

1018
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: did a really good job with getting Rudy Williams. And

1019
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I know that saying like a high major and and

1020
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: stuff is uh kind of odd in the sense that

1021
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: like they should be able to get just about anybody

1022
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: that they want, But that was a really important one.

1023
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: Point Guards are really difficult to kind of lock down

1024
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: these days. In junior college. There's just not a lot

1025
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: of point guards. And they lost it, and they lost

1026
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: their point guard a transfer to I mean you know,

1027
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's a you can't you cannot play that

1028
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: was probably arguably the best point guard in the class.

1029
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: And to get him late like that with all of

1030
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: the wild stuff going on, I think that was I

1031
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: think that was a huge move because a lot of

1032
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: the other big guys signed early. UM. You know, I

1033
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: think b y U grabbing getting in George late was

1034
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: like an all year process for them. UM, and they

1035
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: were able to kind of take advantage of the fact

1036
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: that they were able to sneak in a visit right

1037
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: at the last second before everything went crazy when we

1038
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: went and visited during the Gonzaga weekend. UM, that was

1039
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: a big one. To what happens with the Oklahoma State

1040
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: with Kate Cunningham, What do you think happens? Oh man,

1041
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't be surprised if k just sticks

1042
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: it out for you. I think he knows that regardless

1043
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: of postseason or not, you know, what he does this

1044
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: season can still mean a lot. And there's just so

1045
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: many unknown, weird things going on right now. Anybody making

1046
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: any Scotastic decision is taking a big risk. Here's what

1047
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: I've been told. I've been told the G League is

1048
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: telling these kids, hey, there's not gonna be a college

1049
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: basketball season, so you're hanging around for nothing. You know.

1050
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Then the argument against the G League has been, you know,

1051
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: why would you want to play even if you're making money,

1052
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: play meaningless games? And so the G League in turn,

1053
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: for for Kate Cunningham's is like, yeah, our games don't

1054
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: necessarily mean anything, but not that this local mistake. You

1055
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: can't play for a conference tournament and he can't play

1056
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: in the n c A tournament. At least you can

1057
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: make some money. And I've been told he was offered

1058
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: a crazy amount of money back in December and January

1059
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: and that that amount might even go up at the

1060
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: end of the day if the money makes sense for

1061
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: him or something. I'm thanking. I guess you can never

1062
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: really knock a guy on that, but I think there's

1063
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: this there's a huge misconception about out there of what

1064
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: the G League and what the G League looks like

1065
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: when you play in it. I mean, these are a

1066
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that fall intents and purposes, most of

1067
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: them should be in the NBA, but there's just not

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00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: enough spot. There's players that at any given moment could

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00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: contribute to a team. So now you're in this different

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: style of basketball that's that's somewhat difficult to evaluate, especially

1071
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: if you're a new guy that's coming in there. Um,

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00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: but if you go to a place like home the state,

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: even for a year, and you don't play in the

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Speaker 1: conference tournament, you don't play in the n c Double Tournament,

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Speaker 1: but you have an entire season of your nonconference in

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Speaker 1: Big twelve basketball. I mean, Julie Juligue is fine at all,

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Speaker 1: But I just I feel like there's a lot to

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: be made for him if he takes that chance and

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: goes to college for a year. I I told him, listen,

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Speaker 1: I agree, like you, what do you mean you're missing

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: out on one or two Big twelve tournament games, maybe

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00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: an n c A tournament game or two, you know,

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: like maybe three. Like let's not let's not act like

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: they would best team in the country. They have a

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: chance to be really good. And obviously it sucks. But

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Speaker 1: your brothers there. You get a chance to play for

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00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: your brother for a year. Um, you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to be part of a team. In your mind, I

1089
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: know Jalen Green is going to the G League. If

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Speaker 1: you were if you were going to take a kid

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Speaker 1: in the end, those two who would you take, probably

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Speaker 1: taking cunning him. What I just think, I think, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, what he does for me,

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Speaker 1: it is an easier translation. So I got to I

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: got to watch him a little bit last summer um

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Speaker 1: and and I just I just thought that what he

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Speaker 1: does is kind of translate up a lot easier. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's I think he's a better

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Speaker 1: basketball player. I think Jalen Green is a freak athlete

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Speaker 1: who will make more jaw dropping plays that look good,

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Speaker 1: you know, on social media and highlights. But Kay Cunningham

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Speaker 1: really really knows how to play basketball, and he can

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Speaker 1: play multiple positions, like he checks so many boxes for

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Speaker 1: what you need not to be a good player, but

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Speaker 1: be a great player in the NBA. Green has this

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Speaker 1: level of burst that few guys have. But there's some

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Speaker 1: other kind of holes. He's becoming a better shooter, but

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Speaker 1: he's got to be the shooter, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if he, like Kay, doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to go to a team and be the best

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Speaker 1: player immediately, and he can still be really really effective,

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Speaker 1: Whereas it feels like Jalen Green's only kind of played

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Speaker 1: in a style in which he's give me the ball,

1114
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go get a bucket, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: And when you when you look at some of you know,

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Speaker 1: even big names in the NBA, not the biggest names, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we're not talking about Lebronze and and Kevin Durants

1118
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Speaker 1: and things like that that are just freak shows. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at a lot of the guys in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, guys that are successful, there's not a ton

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Speaker 1: of them that do something that just is you know,

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Speaker 1: out of the stratosphere athletically or something like that. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of really basketball players. And I think if

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Speaker 1: you're a really good basketball player, like hey, like you said,

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Speaker 1: that's going to translate faster. Now Green could get there,

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Speaker 1: you know, if he continues to improve development, then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you add that to the fact that

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Speaker 1: he is a free cathlete. But right away, right off

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Speaker 1: the bat, I'm probably taking Ky just because I know

1130
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Speaker 1: I'm getting a better basketball player right away. You know

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Speaker 1: what what I love about your site, by the way,

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: the site is verbal commits dot com. And I love

1133
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: about your site is it it breaks it down through

1134
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Speaker 1: class and guys you're offering and I think the whole

1135
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Speaker 1: thing is fascinating. But we we did start to talk

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Speaker 1: about the G league thing and my my deals with

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Speaker 1: the G League like it's it in theory, it should

1138
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: be great, right, you take a handful of the kids

1139
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: that don't really want to go to college that are

1140
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Speaker 1: really good enough for your hand. But the problem is

1141
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: what we always see is now it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: hundred kids that think they're one of the five kids

1143
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Speaker 1: that can go right, and do they lock in on there?

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: And and oh yeah, by the way, like what do

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Speaker 1: you do for example, U c l A Like U

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Speaker 1: c l A. That sucks? You know you the second

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Speaker 1: the second that that staff got the job, they had

1148
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Speaker 1: one focus. Yeah, uh Dasian Nicks right, who's in Vegas? Like,

1149
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: that's the guy we need to go get And they

1150
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: move mountains to do everything. They get him to commit,

1151
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: they get him to sign, he's in. And then late

1152
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: in the game, the G League comes in and says,

1153
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: what if we paid you two on fifty grand? Now

1154
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, look they still have Tigers, so there they'll

1155
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: be okay. Um, how do you think this G League

1156
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: thing affects not just what you do, but the overall

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: landscape of college basketball recruiting? You know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: something that is going to be a little chaotic to

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Speaker 1: start with, and and we'll probably find its place. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, much like when we were drafting straight out

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Speaker 1: of high school. Uh, you know, there were guys that

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Speaker 1: that got drafted and they made their money, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you can't really blame them for that they got drafted,

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Speaker 1: but they flamed out and people kind of went back

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: and forth on you know, taking booming school guys or

1166
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: maybe they should be taking more high school guys, and

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: it kind of found its level before they shut that

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Speaker 1: all down. And I think that's probably what's gonna end

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Speaker 1: up happening with the G League because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, if you've got you know, kids whatever

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01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: it ends up being that decided to go straight to

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Speaker 1: the G League, and only a few of them pan out,

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Speaker 1: which is what is going to happen, people are kind

1174
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Speaker 1: of probably start rethinking that pretty quick. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's I don't I don't love the fact that the

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Speaker 1: NBA is using um, you know, the D League and

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Speaker 1: using some of the things, like they even do some

1178
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Speaker 1: of their stuff overseas, like with the the African League

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01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: that they're putting together, and all of a sudden, like

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Speaker 1: professional basketball is looking like the process rather than the reward,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think there's so many of these

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Speaker 1: guys that are going to the G League that's still

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Speaker 1: for the process and still have a lot to develop,

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01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: but they're trying to jump straight to the reward right away.

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Speaker 1: And yes, well that that look, that's and that's always

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Speaker 1: been the problem. Like and even the success stories like that,

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Speaker 1: this is where I'm different than other people. Dwight Howards

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Speaker 1: the success story. Right he goes gets drafted in the NBA, drafted,

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Speaker 1: He's probably a Hall of Fame. But you look at like,

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Speaker 1: did Dwight Howard actually live up to his potential? And

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Speaker 1: I would tell you know, and I think that the

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Speaker 1: things that he struggle with socially, like learning to be

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Speaker 1: around others, and like there's an arrested development there his personality.

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: He just I guess people always say, well, he's a

1195
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: weird cat. And maybe he was a weird cat before,

1196
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: and maybe he would have been a weird cat if

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Speaker 1: he went to college. But there's something disarming about being

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Speaker 1: around only people your age and having to live in

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Speaker 1: dorms and that and and play for a coach and

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Speaker 1: play for a team um or as you know, when

1201
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: you play professional basketball right away and you're an eighteen

1202
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: year old kid, like you're thrown into an adult world.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things personally, and then his game itself,

1204
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: like he never really developed a post game, he never

1205
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: really developed a face up game. And what happens is

1206
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of what you show up and arrive as you

1207
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: can become a better version of. But they're just some

1208
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Speaker 1: rounding out. Even Lebron has no idea, has never had

1209
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Speaker 1: any idea how to play without the basketball ever. And

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Speaker 1: I think that stuff would help. And I like it's

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Speaker 1: one of those questions where Jordan's to me is the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all time. But I think one of the

1213
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Speaker 1: things that really helped him and and he wouldn't have

1214
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: he was People make it out like he was a

1215
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Speaker 1: scrub out of high school, like it was McDonald's All American,

1216
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: set the all time scoring record in the McDonald's game.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that playing for Dean Smith rounding

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Speaker 1: him out as a player, and then you combined it

1219
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Speaker 1: with otherworldly athleticism and talent and he was able to become,

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Speaker 1: you know, the all time great. I just I just

1221
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: think there's so much missing and we we downplay it,

1222
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: but it's it does work, It does it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that the other way won't work and doesn't provide opportunities.

1224
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: But no one who can really play has gone to

1225
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Speaker 1: college and all of a sudden like, well they can't

1226
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Speaker 1: actually play and the college ruined him. College doesn't ruin you.

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Speaker 1: It simply promotes you and rounds you out for the

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Speaker 1: most part. And I get the thing with you know, well,

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Speaker 1: if I go to college and I heard and I

1230
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: missed the opportunity, for sure. I mean there's a risk

1231
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: in anything that you do. You go to the jew

1232
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: League for you know, grand and get hurt like it's

1233
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: over there too. Um. You know, I'm a believer in

1234
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: the best development system in the world before you're eight

1235
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: team is probably somewhere over in Europe. But once you

1236
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: turn eighteen, the best development system in the world is

1237
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: in college in America. And and the G League does

1238
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: not is not set up, is not designed to provide that.

1239
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: It's not like we used to call it the D League,

1240
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: the Developmental League. Not a lot of developing that goes

1241
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: on in that. In that league, it's it's ride or die,

1242
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: like try and survive and if somebody see something that

1243
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: they need, then you get your shot. In the NBA

1244
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: and if you stay awesome, right, Like it was perfect

1245
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: for a guy like one to Scott Anderson that went

1246
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: to Marquette, still needed to develop a lot in his game,

1247
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: goes and plays pro in Mexico too, shot in the

1248
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: G League and then boom takes off and heads to

1249
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: the Warriors. But like, there was a lot of work

1250
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: that went in between that Warrior's contract, and even when

1251
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: he was playing at Marquette, it wasn't and he was

1252
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: the top and and so it wasn't just this like,

1253
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm just gonna go straight to the G league. Um.

1254
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: And they're doing it with international guys too. Uh. You know,

1255
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: there's there's an Indian player that is phenomenal that's playing

1256
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: down in the Global Academy and his government is like, no,

1257
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: he's just gonna go straight. That's not what this is for. Right. Well,

1258
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I think and look, and I do think that the

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: n c A they hurt themselves by making it harder

1260
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: for international players than it should be easier. Right, there's

1261
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: you know and this cancer like yeah, and its cancer

1262
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: was a pro. When he played played in Turkey, I

1263
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: got it. Everyone knew he wasn't gonna play in college

1264
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: if they actually looked. They looked and nothing, but why like,

1265
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: if he wants to play in college, great, you know

1266
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: who can? Like, Okay, so he got paid back home.

1267
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't care is he getting paid here? You know,

1268
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: as long as not getting paid to come here, Like,

1269
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm good, It's fine by me. I do think that

1270
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: college basketball hurts itself. Um, give me the best tape

1271
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: that somebody sent you of a guy that you didn't

1272
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: you maybe hadn't heard of or hadn't seen. And somebody

1273
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: sends you a tape and this can be any time

1274
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: during your time doing this, and you're like, holy shit,

1275
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: what did that? What did I just see? This kid

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Speaker 1: can really play? Doesn't have to be not now owly

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Speaker 1: can me anytime? You know? What's interesting is, uh, the

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Speaker 1: international stuff is always one of those weird places where

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Speaker 1: completely context, Right, you have no idea who they're playing against, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't. I've seen their national taste. People sent to

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Speaker 1: me like, hey, we signed this international kid. What do

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Speaker 1: you think. I'm like, I don't know who he's playing against? Right,

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes the game it's like is this played at

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Speaker 1: half speed? Right? Are these is this a beer league?

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Speaker 1: Or these guys really are these kids fifteen or sixteen

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Speaker 1: and he's eighteen or nineteen, right, okay, but go ahead

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Speaker 1: with the international stuff. So the thing that really just

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Speaker 1: surprised me about this one, this was a kid that

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Speaker 1: was about to get ready to play you eighteen division

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Speaker 1: SAT right, So we're we're down the line here in FIBA,

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Speaker 1: and somebody sent me some tape on a kid named No.

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Speaker 1: One Nelson who played junior college this year for Otero

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Speaker 1: and huge right six somewhere in there. He's at the time,

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Speaker 1: he's probably two something like that, and this kid is

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Speaker 1: running like a year. He's he's about see through. He's

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Speaker 1: so white, being from Ireland, with this mop of red

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Speaker 1: hair on his head, and I'm just like, this doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense. Like if this kid was in America

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Speaker 1: right now, like he'd be blowing the hell up because

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Speaker 1: he's massive and he's athletic and he can catch and

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Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. And so somebody sent me

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Speaker 1: this tape on this kid, and I was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm I guess I'm diving into FIBA Division

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Speaker 1: C and uh and watched the Ireland play. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know like some of these places like Micronesia and

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Speaker 1: just these tiny little these little countries and stuff, and

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Speaker 1: sure enough, I mean, that kid just took off. He's

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Speaker 1: going to Wyoming this year after one year in junior college.

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Speaker 1: And it was it was eye opening because that was

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Speaker 1: three years ago. I think that I first saw him

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Speaker 1: and really really exposed me to the fact that there

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Speaker 1: are players everywhere, you know, and and I've seen better days, right,

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Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen better players obviously, but I've that

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Speaker 1: was one that was just shocking where it's like, man,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you like, you know. I remember

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Speaker 1: remember Adidas Nations they used to have and I don't

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Speaker 1: know this time, and they used to have it. I

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Speaker 1: remember like the first year and I was doing stuff

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Speaker 1: with the Dais at the time, and they had me

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Speaker 1: come down to talk to the kids, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're in New Orleans and at the then it was

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Speaker 1: the Hornets facility whatever, and it was just hottest can being.

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Speaker 1: I go in this gym and I'm watching Team Africa

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Speaker 1: play and one guy looked different than everybody else. I

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Speaker 1: was like, who's that dude. They're like Serge Ibaka and

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's there's your player, Like, well, there's

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Speaker 1: this guy that guys like, no, that guy's your player.

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Speaker 1: And I was just he the way he moved, the

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Speaker 1: way he ran, the way he even shot the basketball

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Speaker 1: at that time was before he's the shooter that he

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Speaker 1: is now you could just kind of tell those things are.

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Speaker 1: But you're right. The there's guys everywhere is a uh

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Speaker 1: is a great one. Um, okay, how can people get

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Speaker 1: how can people follow you? I gave away Twitter, I

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Speaker 1: gave away verbal commits, dot Com anywhere else we we

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Speaker 1: can get all your information. Uh yeah, I mean really

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: on on Twitter is kind of our our main communication source.

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Speaker 1: That's where you'll see a lot of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: we do when we go overseas. We go to Africa,

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean, all that kind of stuff, run camps over there,

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Speaker 1: helped bring kids over the college. We brought twenty two

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Speaker 1: kids over in the last two and a half years

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Speaker 1: and playing in schools now and then we do the

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Speaker 1: Live Period podcast as well. That's been fun. We just

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Speaker 1: kind of started that during the during the Rhuna and

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: sat down and said, hey, you know, let's let's do

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Speaker 1: this and uh and it's it's been great. It's been fun.

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Speaker 1: So it's allowing us to kind of get our message

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Speaker 1: out there a little bit more and work on some

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Speaker 1: different stuff and uh and and you know, just kind

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Speaker 1: of find new things to get into. Well. The best

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Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, you get to learn some

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Speaker 1: of these kids stories and meet him and you just

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Speaker 1: you end up want to cheer for him. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a cool it's a cool thing that you do

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Speaker 1: at juco Advocate. At juco Advocate is on Twitter Brandon

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Speaker 1: Global is his name? Brandon? Great catching up. We'll do

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Speaker 1: so again in the very near future. And thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. I appreciate my friend. Be good.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it for All Ball. You can listen

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Speaker 1: to The Doug Gottlieb Show daily three to six Eastern

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Speaker 1: Radio app on Sirius XM. We're now on the Dan

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Speaker 1: feel free to ask questions on the Instagram page at

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Speaker 1: hope you appreciate listening to it. Thanks so much. I'm

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball.