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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and today the show, I am joined by Tony Peterson

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Speaker 1: and our back forty camera crew to discuss the challenges, trials,

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Speaker 1: and tribulations of hunting the white tail rut and how

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Speaker 1: you can overcome those things and the story of my

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Speaker 1: back forty buck. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today we

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Speaker 1: are talking the rut. As this episode is dropping, we

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Speaker 1: are kind of right in the midst of it for

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Speaker 1: people listening. I think this is going to drop on

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Speaker 1: November twelve. So if you're listening to November twelve, and

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Speaker 1: if you're a white tail junkie like I am and

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Speaker 1: the guys with me are, I'm sure you've been spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of days in the woods. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: hopefully had some exciting days, but probably some frustrating ones too,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I wanted to focus on today,

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Speaker 1: is the the side of the white tail rut that

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Speaker 1: you don't always hear about in the off season, and

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Speaker 1: the off season we talked about, Oh, it's the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl of the deer hunting season. Oh it's the time

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Speaker 1: when dreams come true. It's it's everything you dream of

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Speaker 1: as a white tail hunter and then it gets here.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it can be like that, but sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: something different. There are trials and tribulations. There are many

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Speaker 1: things that can be frustrating. There are many times when

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're thinking, this is not the

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Speaker 1: way they talk it up to be. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I want to cover, is how to deal with the

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Speaker 1: challenges that the white tail rut can throw you. With me,

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Speaker 1: I've got the crew that has been with me hunting

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Speaker 1: on the back forty over the last week. To my left,

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Speaker 1: I've got Mr Tony Petersondy, thanks for being here, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me man, thanks for hunting with us, coming

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Speaker 1: over to Michigan, leaving the promised land of places like

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Speaker 1: Iowa and Minnesota and Wisconsin and coming here to the

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Speaker 1: Mitten State. I think maybe your buddy Dan Johnson and

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Speaker 1: I will start a support group because he came here

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Speaker 1: and you guys have had a very similar experience. Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 1: Let's not let's not talk too much about your experience yet.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's it's it's Michigan. We'll we'll dive

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Speaker 1: into that in a second. So Tony's here, and Tony

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Speaker 1: is everyone listening should know as an incredibly experienced successful

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Speaker 1: d Y Bohunter travels the country, hunts a lot of

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Speaker 1: public land, hunts a lot of kills, a lot of

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Speaker 1: great bucks, and as a contributor to mediator, a writer,

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Speaker 1: a podcaster, and he has joined me as my partner

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Speaker 1: in crime Hunting the Farm this year for one of

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Speaker 1: our episodes of the Back forty show. Uh. To the

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Speaker 1: left of him is one of our cameraman extraordinaire who's

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Speaker 1: taking off his shoes in the middle of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: making a lot of noise. Charlie, do you want to

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Speaker 1: introduce yourself? Hey man, how are you? My feet were hot?

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Speaker 1: We're sitting in a wall tent and it is getting

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Speaker 1: really warm. Now, um can I interject here for a second.

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Speaker 1: So this guy's my camera guy. And if you think

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Speaker 1: it's awkward when he does that stuff, he's just sitting

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Speaker 1: a tree with him all day. His timing is wild.

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Speaker 1: I am not surprised to hear that, Oh, can you

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Speaker 1: give me one example of a Charlie is symmetry I've seen? Well,

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Speaker 1: so can he talk about that stuff? Yea, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: this might be l rated. It's it has been a

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Speaker 1: wild experience sitting with Charlie. We have figured out all

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Speaker 1: kinds of conspiracy theories, We've figured out aliens, We've figured

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Speaker 1: out different stuff about psychic behaviors. The thing with Charlie

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, it you know what I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about. You know, I had this dream the

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Speaker 1: me about he had a stint where he had six

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Speaker 1: months of werewolf dreams in a row. When Charlie starts

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Speaker 1: always gold. Oh yeah, yeah, we keep it interesting here.

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Speaker 1: You won't be fired, you won't be criticized. This is

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Speaker 1: So what he did He wanted to snack, but he

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Speaker 1: he was worried. Mark has here's, here's It's not a

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Speaker 1: level ten? What do I do? What is a level ten?

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Speaker 1: For me? I just know that you're swearing without talking.

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Speaker 1: It's always in my head, unless for with your dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a perfectionist. No, I'm just man, I'm just

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Speaker 1: dealing with hot weather in the rut, Tony, what are

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Speaker 1: So you just gotta kind of you don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like there's still things going on and things change in

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Speaker 1: But we didn't see much at all. I saw five

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Speaker 1: it for you and I didn't help us capitalize, but

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00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: for these guys like depending on where yeah, and I

429
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: still think I mean it helped us still to a degree,

430
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: So you know, kind of along the lines of what

431
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: you just described. When it came to our first evening,

432
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to be somewhere where I could see and

433
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: for an evening hunt. I knew it would be like

434
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: a last part of the day kind of evening type

435
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: of setup. So where would we have our best chance

436
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: during that last cool hour of the day while it's

437
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: going to be looking at the best food source we've

438
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: around here, that's where the most doughs would be during

439
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: the rut. Usually if you can be where the most

440
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: does are, you're at least in the game. Was my

441
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: thought for the starting point. So I sat a stand

442
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: that we hung last year that sits and one of

443
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: our fence rows that's runs between field five and six,

444
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: right kind of at the point of where our bedding

445
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: honey hole areas, and the last hour it was really

446
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: slow all the way to the last hour, and then

447
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: some does start coming out with five or six doughs

448
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: come across, and then several dolls from behind, and several

449
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: dolls came popping out from this little western part of

450
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: the honey hole crossing into the field. And then finally

451
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: I think it's Justin who saw first. He's a big buck,

452
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: big buck. It was Buck ran out of there chasing

453
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: a dough and I pulled up my by nose and

454
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: it was the droptime Buck, that little dropy buck we've

455
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: been talking about that you and I saw in trail

456
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: camera for the first time this summer. Who we saw

457
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Justin when you and I were sitting with my dad

458
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: on the very first time of the year. He came

459
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: out that night. Well, here he comes again, chasing that

460
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: dough and he runs out of the field, stops and

461
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: feeds a bit, and turns and goes back with the

462
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: dough and runs back out. And now we're getting to

463
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: the last ten minutes, the last five minutes, and we're

464
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: down to a couple of minutes left a daylight and

465
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: he follows the dough out and gets to right in

466
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: one of my main shooting lanes where these these oak

467
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: tree branches open up and I could shoot, and he's

468
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: on in the food plot. He stops broadside, starts to

469
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: feed fifty yards and he's sitting right there, and I'm like,

470
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: he is right there, But just I wasn't. I'm not

471
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: the type of lit'll shoot that long with shot, um,

472
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: So we just watched him and then he turned and

473
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: went back, and then they ran back in the brush,

474
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: and then there was crashing and a deer ran right

475
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: to the bottom of our tree standard, right where there's

476
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: a path cut between the two fields, and I was like, oh, man,

477
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: that's the dough. He's gonna be right behind her and

478
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna give me shot. But instead it was a

479
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: little six point or something. And that was the night

480
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: we saw, you know, the draft time buck was one

481
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: of our target bucks here, um, one of the most

482
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: frequent visitors on camera. We've seen him more than any

483
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: of their buck. So it's great to see him, great

484
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: to know he's in the area, great to see the

485
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: number of does we saw. I think the biggest thing

486
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: that confirmed for us what I had worried coming into

487
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: this a little bit was well, we have the lack

488
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: of deer movement that we had last November, like just

489
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: dough activity in general. Last year was just so few

490
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: deer at all. Um, in the early season when we

491
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: hear with my dad, we saw a lot of deer,

492
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: But I still don't know the farm well enough to know,

493
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, is that a thing that's gonna keep happening

494
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: the changes that we made this year. Is that going

495
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: to continue to help? Or are We're gonna get here

496
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: in November and it's gonna be dead again. So after

497
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: our first morning it was pretty slow. I was starting

498
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: to think of right back into nineteen all over again.

499
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: But now we saw twelve thirteen does and a couple

500
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: of different books, including a good one, so that was encouraging. Um.

501
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: But something I was thinking about as you described your

502
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: setup and as I was thinking that this set up,

503
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the importance of Getney eyes on things,

504
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: a challenge that we have here is the limitations of

505
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: just the property size. Like you just said, you can look,

506
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: but you can't touch a lot of stuff. A lot

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: of things we've seen or would want to hunt, you

508
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: just can't. We're stuck with these few limiting factors, and

509
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: this is a challenge I think a lot of people

510
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: deal with during the rut in particular. Um, you know,

511
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: when you have thousands of acres of your great big farms,

512
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: or if you're hunting public land, you can look on

513
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: the map and you can find Okay, these are natural

514
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: pinch points. These are seven different great betting years. These

515
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: are eight different great looking ridge staddles or something like

516
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: that. That That would make sense during the rut and you

517
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: could hit all these different places. But Tony, I feel

518
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: like when we've looked at the map here and looked

519
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: at the weather and thought there are plans and have

520
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: our wind directions, like, well, we gauts it there or there, Ah,

521
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: that is that's a big challenge during the rut that

522
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I've struggled with. In that case, it's it's how do

523
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: you balance the pressure versus being in the right place,

524
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: versus trying to have a fresh set. I don't know.

525
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I know you don't hunt a ton of places just

526
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: like this, but what are some of your thoughts about

527
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: how you would approach the rut in this kind of situation.

528
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: You've und some small properties in the past, Yeah, I

529
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: mean this is this. This is just kind of you know,

530
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: we we went into the swamp for the first time

531
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: today and it was like just obvious, like you get

532
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: in there and like this is where the big ones live,

533
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: you know. I mean every this kind of property is

534
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: like a pass through property, you know, so you know,

535
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: like you could catch one cruising. But it's not like

536
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: it's not like you have sixty four acres in bluff

537
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: country where there's gonna be like telltale pinches and funnels

538
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: and stuff. This is like a it's not flat, but

539
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: it's not real roly until you're sitting here going okay,

540
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: this is this is the kind of thing where you

541
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna get that like awesome funnel. Probably

542
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the concentration, right, like where are the

543
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: bucks going to be concentrated? And it's just that nasty

544
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: cover with you know, like they're gonna have muddy feet,

545
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, and so you're always looking for that. And

546
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: what's what's sort of it's it's cool to see anyway,

547
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: is yeah, this the swamp on here is is pretty

548
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: big when it's when you look at it in its entirety.

549
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: The part that you guys have is it's like okay sized, right,

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of these little woodlots that we're seeing

551
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: some of the better buck activity and are small, but

552
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: they're just there. They're not lighting out across the open,

553
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: they're just hanging in there. And we had a couple

554
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: of really good chases breakout next to us on on

555
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: the neighbor's ground, and that chunk of ground is just tiny,

556
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's the where where they were

557
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: actually running. It's probably only like eight or ten acres.

558
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: And so it kind of makes me think in this situation,

559
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: like instead of just sitting where you want to see

560
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: and where you think you're gonna see all this run

561
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: thing and it's chasing like you would on the Sportsman's

562
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Channel or whatever, like, you need to get in tight

563
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: into the stuff that they just feel comfortable in, you know,

564
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: because we talked about this before off air is like, yeah,

565
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: it's the rut, but you still have to factor in

566
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: the pressure. And we can look on the neighbor's properties,

567
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: I mean, like we we were joking, we were filming

568
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, bow hangers in every tree we got into,

569
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: like or we could see them hanging. I mean, there's

570
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: obvious pressure here. So then you take, you take it's

571
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: a little cooler in those swamps, you take it, you know,

572
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: like that's just the safe that's a safe space, man.

573
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: And so it's really looking for that and making something

574
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: work in there, versus kind of taking the easy way out.

575
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, a nice place to hang a standard saddle

576
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: on a field edge and see a bunch of stuff,

577
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: go where you can kill them, not where you can

578
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: see them. And something I thought, And we didn't have

579
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: to quite do that yet here, um, but something I thought.

580
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm constantly worried about on the

581
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: other small properties I hunt, is over pressuring spots like

582
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to be so surgical with when I

583
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: go in and timing that to the right times, and

584
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: only hunting those when you have to or in the

585
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: chance of their best and letting them, you know, be

586
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: safe otherwise. But a circumstance like this, we have a

587
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: weak trip and a small, relatively limited property. There is

588
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: something to the approach I mentioned a little while ago,

589
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: I think, which is find one of those those best

590
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: places like what you described, and then kind of camp

591
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: on it if you had the confidence in it, and

592
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: if your little property only has a few places like that.

593
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: You could bounce around all over your forty acres if

594
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: you want, or you could say, you know what, it's

595
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: going to happen in one of these two places, and

596
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put three days in each one if it's

597
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the winds right, and yes, some days are gonna figure

598
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: me out. But the buck I might kill eventually could

599
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: be two miles away on this day, and he might

600
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: be four acres away in the second day. And if

601
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: I didn't sit there three straight days, I would have

602
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: never had the opportunity for him to come through. So

603
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: part of me thinks, you know, if if we had

604
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: had good cold weather here and we you know, at

605
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: a different set of cards, I might have said, I'm

606
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: gonna go into the honey hole of the swamp, and

607
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a couple of these corps spots every

608
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: day and yeah, you're going to leave an impact, and

609
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: yeah things will change, but eventually one of these deer

610
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: will come through. Um. I think this is the time

611
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: of year when sometimes you have to care a little

612
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: bit less about your pressure because you have to make

613
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: hay when the sun shines. And I think this is

614
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: that time in some of these places on a small spot.

615
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Did you agree with that or what are your thoughts

616
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah, I mean I think you know, obviously,

617
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: even even trying to be safe, we put a ton

618
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: of pressure on some of these spots. But I always

619
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: think about this. I mean I was in I was

620
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: in Minnesota last week doing all day sits on a

621
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: private place and you think, like I think, Okay, i'll

622
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: rest this spot or I haven't been in here, and

623
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: then I'll go in and there'll be some dudes tree

624
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: stand Like so when you get used to hunting around pressure,

625
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: you go that luxury of savings stuff. It's not it's

626
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: if you have it, it's all. It's a great strategy, right,

627
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't have it, and in

628
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: this time of year it maybe really doesn't. It should

629
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: be pretty low on the list. I think, Uh, justin

630
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: you've hunted some pressured stuff, some small stuff. Have you

631
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: seen anything different than what Tony and I've been talking about?

632
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: Or Charlie you kind of too. I don't either one

633
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: of you guys seen their thought of anything different. No,

634
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was thinking as you were saying that though,

635
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: like you know, this is what you wait all year for,

636
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Like there's no use to save the property at this point.

637
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you if it's good, you've got to

638
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: be in there, like those spots, Charlie. Basically the same

639
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: thing um the land around our house is it's a

640
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: mix and there's a lot of egg fields, so there's

641
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: plenty of things that you can watch, but at the

642
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: same time, there's these core areas where the deer always

643
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: end up hanging out, and if you're not in there,

644
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: you're most likely not going to see them. The rest

645
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: of the rest of the properties that are connected a

646
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: couple of miles, like the next mile over, the next

647
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: woods across the road, they're they're just travel corridors to

648
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: those core spots. But it seems like each each big

649
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: section has its own own place. And that's kind of

650
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: what I noticed here because it seemed like the there's

651
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: a swamp on the south side, and then the north

652
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: property has that little bit of swamp connected to that

653
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: woods on the neighbors. So we kind of felt as

654
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: if maybe like the smaller bucks and like that's why

655
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: Tony called it the nursery, because like the smaller bucks

656
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: hang out this this swamp and it's like a little

657
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: bit of a smaller swamp and less deer activity, but

658
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: like the better like you got big blue stem over there,

659
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: you've got thick cat tails, you got cedars and all

660
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: of that. That's where the moture bucks were hanging out.

661
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: So I think it's kind of like a contesting like

662
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: game for whoever gets what swamp and then they kind

663
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: of just circled through it and check them out as

664
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: they go, got DIBs and some of the better stuff.

665
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, I mean, they certainly could be. But then

666
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, I always go back and forth.

667
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think we overthink things a little bit too,

668
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: because again, like the cameras, we definitely over think. Sometimes.

669
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: I think you overthink. There's tens of thousands of people

670
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: laughing really hard right out and saying, yeah, we heard that.

671
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a little story? So one of

672
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: my buddies is like, what's it like to hunt with Mark?

673
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: And my response was that Mark gives a deal a

674
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: lot more credit than I do. I'm just very analytical

675
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: and very risk reward focused. I think I'm constantly weighing

676
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: that stuff, maybe to a fault, but it works all

677
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: the time at least um I think you I think.

678
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: But the difference is like, like you you've hunted how

679
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: many states already this year? So? And where have you hunted?

680
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Three states? But like you really hone in on like

681
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: a core, you know, so I feel like you have

682
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to to a certain extent. Well, I think, yeah, especially

683
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: on a couple of these little spots that I hunt

684
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: local to home, where I've got one buck that I'm

685
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: after and I've got, you know, forty five acres to

686
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: make it happen on or something. But I'm really obsessed

687
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: with in that one deer. I think that infiltrates so

688
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: much of the rest of my thinking with everywhere else

689
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: I go, maybe things like I think the perspective that

690
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: both of you guys have is something that we should

691
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: all have. But you know, I think it's property based,

692
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: in situation based because like Tony, you gotta get it done,

693
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: and and a lot of different scenarios where people like myself,

694
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I think, Mark, you you even have gone more than

695
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I have, but I have, like a lot of us

696
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: just have a couple of spots. We have to make

697
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: that count. And I think you do need to be

698
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, go have fun. But if whatever your goals are,

699
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: I think the analytics come in to help you achieve that,

700
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: and if you don't, if you didn't, if you do

701
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: go in Willie Nelly and you don't do your homework,

702
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: then you can't at the end of the season say well,

703
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything right. I couldn't get it done.

704
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Like it's it's all situational based, but there's certainly are

705
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to get the job done. That's

706
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: something I've definitely learned over the years is that there's

707
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: a lot of approaches that can work and different situations,

708
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: different places, different people's styles. Um, whatever works for you.

709
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: But this, this brings me to then another thing that

710
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: I think is right in line with it you said

711
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: justin and which does make things different for you and me. Tony,

712
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: you hunt, I want a decent amount public land. You

713
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: want a lot of public land. Um. You're also less

714
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: picky than I am in a a lot of cases. You know,

715
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: you like to let him, let him sing um, but

716
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: still shoots good to hear it does, which I But

717
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: you're also willing to shoot different deer, which is Believe me, buddy,

718
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I almost shot a spike, That's what I'm saying. I

719
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: looked over, dude, he had his bow ready and his

720
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: release was on the street and I was like, are

721
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: you gonna shoot? If it wasn't for the onslaught of

722
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: internet dickheads, I had just shot that sucker in a

723
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: heartbeat because I was he was. It was just over

724
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: and I was, like, I told Charlie, like when he

725
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: was walking in, I was like, that guy looked at

726
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: the delicious like I want to shoot him so bad,

727
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: walked back up here with it in his backpack. I've

728
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: been just as happy. So so this is what I

729
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: want to get to, which is hunting the rut on

730
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: public land. So for a lot of people, that's what

731
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: they're doing. And it goes back to this whole expectation

732
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: thing we talked about, like the ruts supposed to be

733
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: this time when giants are running all over the place

734
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: and it's exciting and it's everything you dreamed about. But

735
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: on public land maybe that's not always the case. Sometimes

736
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: it can be. But walk me through some of the

737
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: challenges on hunting some of your public pieces you've done

738
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: in the past. What are some of those trials and

739
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: tribulations and know what they will be, But talk me

740
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: through some of those and how you deal with them. Well,

741
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I think, and finally sorry. And finally, also how and

742
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: when sometimes that forces you to change your standards and

743
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: how that is is a good thing for you there, Well,

744
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack there. I mean kind of

745
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: what Justin said. I mean it really like I could

746
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: describe us like I'm a pioneer and you're a settler

747
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: in some ways, like everything I do, I just have

748
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: to I don't have a history, you know what I mean. So,

749
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: like you're working these properties, and so I was thinking

750
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: about that, Like my strategy for coming into most places

751
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: would be to take a long walk around and look

752
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: for the sign and everything. But when you're dealing with

753
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: a property like this and you've kind of like you

754
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: know your way around, you've been working on it and

755
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: you kind of got your ideas, and I come in

756
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: here and I go, I can't this is not like

757
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: my style, you know, some kind of just like taking

758
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: a back seat and going all right, well we'll just

759
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: play it safe. But that just comes from you know,

760
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: going to multiple states every year and just stepping into

761
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: new public land and always trying to new experiences. Like

762
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: there's no hunting on memories or like the plan is

763
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: like you know, you do all your research right, and

764
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: you get in there and it's like always different, and

765
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: so you know, you don't rely on the plans the

766
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: same way. So I I go in with you know,

767
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: a plan of ABC whatever, and it's always like you

768
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: walk in and the rubs are here, they're not here,

769
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: or the river crossings here are not there. And so

770
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: it's just more of an in the moment thing. So

771
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: that's like I'm I'm like way more of a deer

772
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: freelancer than you, like when you're talking about being analytical

773
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: and working these individual books and stuff, and like, man,

774
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: most of the time when I'm hunting, I have no

775
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: idea what bucks lived there. And so this is this

776
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: is actually kind of my nightmare, like getting bogged down

777
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: into a place because and this is something I've said

778
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: this before, and I know people who have private property

779
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: or a lot of deer hunters don't really believe this,

780
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: but it's one of the things I love the most

781
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: about public land is like you're not if you're if

782
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: you're willing to go look, you're not confined in a

783
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: lot of places, so you have options. So we always

784
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: have that goal of like, man, I want that private spot, right,

785
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: I want that place that I can build up and

786
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: build a food blot or whatever, and like that's great,

787
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: but you know, like what if you get that south

788
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: wind for five days and you're not set up for it,

789
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: if you don't have that other option to go out,

790
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: like then you're gonna go, well, I'm not gonna hunt

791
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: because I'm playing it safe and I'd rather hunt. And

792
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: so it's just a different It just amazes me how

793
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: many different ways you can come at this stuff. And

794
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, something you you kind of said there before,

795
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: like you know, you you kind of asked me like, well,

796
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: what what does it take to get you to like

797
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: drop your standards in one of those places. One thing

798
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: that I've kind of become obsessed with is there's a

799
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: huge difference like when you're sitting on sand, You're like

800
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I passed a buck. I'm like, did you actually try

801
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: to kill him? Because there's a difference, you know, So

802
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: like I hear people talk about that all time, like, oh,

803
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, like it's been three years and I haven't

804
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: shot when I'm waiting for a big one, like hey,

805
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: you do you whatever? But I know when you switch

806
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: from active observer to participant in only want to deflate

807
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: some lungs. Yeah, And so I'm at the point now

808
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: where I'm like, if I if I go into the

809
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: woods or if I go into the season, I'm like,

810
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: I want a whole bunch of venison before this is out.

811
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: And what I realized is, like I love big Bucks,

812
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: but if you were to say, like you can have

813
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the antlers or you can have the meat, at this

814
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: point in my life, I take the meat every time.

815
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of looking at it like I

816
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: like shooting deer. I like going out, you know, like

817
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you buy that nonresident tag somewhere and you've got four days,

818
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Like I would rather go home with a forkey and

819
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: eat um and be happy and make a shot and

820
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: go through the whole process then just not. So it

821
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of depends, you know, like I drew iye with

822
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: this year, like I wasn't gonna do that in Iowa,

823
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: Like that was kind of a special thing. And then

824
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, part of that is you get in there

825
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and you go not only do I feel like I

826
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: have a really good chance at a big one, but

827
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun, you know what I mean. And

828
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: so I've had this happen where you know, if you

829
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: go to like Oklahoma blind, right, and you're from the

830
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Upper Midwest or something. If you go there and you're like,

831
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonnahunt public land I've never been to and I'm

832
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: only going to kill one thirties or better, like you're

833
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: going home empty hand, it probably right. But if you

834
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: go and you're like, let's just go have fun and

835
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: hunt deer, You're gonna have fun, you know. So it's

836
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: it's not like what fits into the typical kind of

837
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: hunting media mold where it's like, you know, we're targeting

838
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: these age class of box or whatever. It's like just

839
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: kind of like we're going in the moment, we're gonna

840
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: just enjoy it. It's kind of like going fishing for whatever,

841
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like bring you've got nightclers,

842
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: you got for you, you know, spinner baits, whatever you

843
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna do all day along instead of just

844
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: being like I am a fly fisherman and I am

845
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: targeting trout, you know what I mean. Like there's a difference,

846
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: and like again I don't I don't care what people do.

847
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I just know from my experience going to all these

848
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: different places, it's just like kind of just looking for

849
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: that and that like elevated enjoyment factor for me, and

850
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: that's why I lean into this stuff. I just enjoy it.

851
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It definitely does come down to like personality

852
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: types probably too, Like you're describing the things you would do,

853
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: and I'm listening like, oh see that, Like my brain

854
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: just couldn't work. Like I am the guy that if

855
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm going fishing, I'm going fly fishing and I'm going

856
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: to catch trout and that's the mission. That's the thing

857
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: I want to do, and I'm gonna do that. Like

858
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy that can go willy Nilli. I'm like,

859
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: let's catch whatever, and I'll throw a spin and round

860
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: in a bait casting round a fly rod, like I'm

861
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna go into these rivers and this specific thing and

862
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like when I go on a hunting trip,

863
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: even public land or something, I have the exact opposite thought,

864
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: where if I go in with a set of goals,

865
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I would much rather not kill a deer

866
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: than then shoot the shoot the deer that I originally

867
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to shoot. Early on, even though what you're

868
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: describing makes sense and I totally get it, I just couldn't.

869
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I just can't do it for my personality. So I

870
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: want to fight to the bitter end to try to

871
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: achieve whatever the goal was. And that's my fun. It's

872
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: a different kind of fun, but that's the fun that

873
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Is I really want to try to

874
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: achieve whatever that thing is, whatever that end goal I wanted.

875
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: I just want to keep pushing for it all the

876
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: way to the end. And then if I don't get it,

877
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. And I know I'm gonna fill

878
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: my freezer eventually by the end of the season with does.

879
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: So I look at my oddes, state trips and those

880
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: other things that this opportunity to go for that thing

881
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: no matter what, and and I'd rather eat the tag

882
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: and fill my freezer later. Um. And so it's just

883
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: like I'm weird in that way and you're weird in

884
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: your way both. You know what the difference is, though, Well,

885
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of differences there. But you you probably

886
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: the way you're wired with the white tail thing, you

887
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't go on a lot of the trips that

888
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: I go on, you know what I mean? Like you

889
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: probably you would probably be more meticulous in your planning

890
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: and going. Okay, this is the place I want to

891
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: go to in Nebraska. And here's why, Like it's got

892
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: this history or whatever, and I'm just kind of like,

893
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I want I've never hunted X date, I want to

894
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: go there, you know what I mean. And so you

895
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: you're I think this is like, this is what I think.

896
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: This is why this platform has gotten so big for

897
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: you is because you are wired to just be like

898
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: white tales, like and and big white tails or you know,

899
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: mature white tails or whatever. And like if you look

900
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: to my daily life, you know, I love deer hunting,

901
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: but I love hunting everything, and I love fishing, and

902
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: I love fishing for it, Like I don't get I

903
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: get like board really easily. And so I don't have

904
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: any problem just being like I'm going to a state

905
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: that probably sucks for big white tails, but maybe it

906
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: has got maybe it has a lot of deer or

907
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: it's just I'm I'm making my decision. I used to

908
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: make decisions like that, like where can I go to

909
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: kill a big one and then kind of laser in

910
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: on that, especially when I started the public land thing.

911
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Now I'm just like I just want to go with

912
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: my buddies and have fun you know, it's just different.

913
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: And that's that's the cool thing about what we all do.

914
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Everyone listening, and we can all deer hunt for our

915
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: own reasons, with our own set of goals and go

916
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: in there to achieve whatever does he want. If you

917
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: want to go see a bunch of deer and shoot nothing,

918
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: or if you want to go in there and shoot

919
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: the first deer you see, if you want to go

920
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: there and be picky and wait forever and not shoot anything,

921
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: it's all good. It's all awesome. And um, I think

922
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: important part is too, Like these podcasts and YouTube and

923
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: everything is all like gold mines, right, and you could

924
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life digging down into those.

925
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: But the the important thing is to figure out what

926
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: makes you happy. Don't let other people's expectations and goals

927
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Those don't have to be your goals. Um,

928
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: you set your own goals. Figure out what Because you

929
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: guys both have wanted this property, you guys are both

930
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: having fun. But I know that if Tony like knowing

931
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: you and thinking about your history on this property, like

932
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: you didn't want Steven Yanni walking past the swamp last

933
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: year and when was that and if Tony could have

934
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: come in here on day one. He would have probably

935
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: gone all through that and be like, I'm gonna find

936
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: my spot. I want to make it very clear, I

937
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: never once told told of what I said, Tony, what

938
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: do you want to do? Yeah, and I will second

939
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: that I've I've seen that, but like it like it's yeah.

940
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: It can be deflating for like people listening because like

941
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: if you you know, we all like shooting big deer

942
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: and like that. I think you know, but set your

943
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: own goals and don't accept other people's goals for your

944
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: and you bring up maybe the most important part of

945
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: this entire podcast, one of the greatest challenges of the

946
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: rut is looking at your phone and looking at social

947
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: media and seeing everybody else killing all these big deer

948
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: and if you haven't yet, and maybe if you get

949
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: to a certain point where that doesn't bother you, but

950
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: I think everyone a little bit. If you're struggling, or

951
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: a few day has been bad, or if your week's

952
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: been bad, like dang it, this guy and this person,

953
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: this gale, and you're seeing all these like why can't

954
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: happen for me? And it's easy to fall into a

955
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a bummer phase when you're seeing that

956
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: it's like the doom scrolling and that's happened so much

957
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: this time of the year because it's lightened up. How

958
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: do you guys deal with that? For me, definitely, earlier

959
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: on in my hunting world like life, I would get

960
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: I was jealous and insecure and would feel bad for

961
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: myself or feel like, oh my god, I look like

962
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: such an idiot because I can't kill anything that all

963
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: these people are. And just over time I've got more

964
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: and more just fine with who I am and with

965
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: what happens. But you still sometimes like, Jeus, why Kim,

966
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: why isn't that happening for me? Yet? Um? I know

967
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people listening that are feeling the

968
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: same thing, because I get all these messages people saying, man,

969
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: it's so nice to see all the times you screw

970
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: up and don't kill deer because that happened to me.

971
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: And otherwise everything I see on Facebook is this guy

972
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: killed when, this guy killed him, this one killed one. Um.

973
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: Does that ever hit you justin yeah, yeah, I'm preaching

974
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: myself over here, you know, But yeah it doesn't, um man,

975
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: Like I think it's easy to get wrapped up in

976
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: that especially like if you you know again, you too

977
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: too different perspectives. You both work hard, you do it differently,

978
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: but when you work hard, you you want results, you know,

979
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: whether it's like putting in food plots or saving these

980
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: spots or walking six miles in public land like you

981
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: want it. And so I feel I feel like it's

982
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: with anything, we all fight the tendency to want what

983
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: else you know other people have or you know, just

984
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: but especially this because you know, for myself, I'm super

985
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: passionate about this and like there's not a day that

986
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: goes by that my head is not in this hole.

987
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: You know. So when you spend all year thinking about

988
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: it and it's here and you're like working hard and

989
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: it's not happening like it, it takes some air out

990
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 1: of your balloon, you know. But you just gotta stick

991
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: with it, man, because like you, it eventually will happen,

992
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: and you got you gotta remember that you're hunting, you're

993
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: not shooting. You gotta enjoy hunting. You gotta enjoy, you

994
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: gotta enjoy. Slow down when you're walking out and just

995
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: look around, like that's the stuff that like when I'm

996
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: when I'm not deer hunting and and it's spring or

997
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, Christmas time, and I'm thinking about it.

998
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: It's not like the shot that I'm thinking about. It's

999
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: like sitting in the stands watching the sunrises, and like

1000
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: even even with this warmer weather, like I've I've commented

1001
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: to you a couple of times like gosh, listen to

1002
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: the freaking birds, like it like sounded like spring again,

1003
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: and like that's the stuff that that needs to feed

1004
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: our soul, like not not what's going to hang on

1005
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: the wall, which I think we all get some gratification from,

1006
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: but enjoy hunting and uh, and I think if we

1007
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: can kind of bring ourselves back to that, then not

1008
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: seeing things are not killing you know, a booner or whatever, um,

1009
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: we should still come out feeling fulfilled. Yeah, that's that's

1010
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: absolutely right. And I'm given everything we just talked about.

1011
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: With my own personality being an obsessive kind of personality

1012
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: and very mission focus, this is something I struggle with

1013
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: every day. Not every day, but I mean like every year.

1014
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: At some point, I'm so goal oriented that I have

1015
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: to have like this internal dialogue and I have to

1016
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: have these little resets with myself and I don't know

1017
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: if other people do that, but that's what my craziest does. Um,

1018
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: because yeah, if I didn't, if I just like let

1019
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: my animal self go, that's the kind of stuff that

1020
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: would be frustrating me all the time. And so I

1021
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: constantly have to like mark, chill out, enjoy the process.

1022
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: This is, this is what you love. Don't let somebody

1023
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: else's success make you enjoy your thing less and take

1024
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: the thing you love so much and turn it otherwise. Um.

1025
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: But that's like a hard thing to kind of learn

1026
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: to do and to remind yourself of often. Um, Tony,

1027
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: do you ever I mean, I know you're different, but

1028
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: do you ever find yourself like, damn it, why isn't

1029
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 1: it working this here? You've had a few tough years

1030
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: all the time, man, And you know you started that

1031
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: with like the social media thing of seeing all these

1032
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: dead bucks out there, and it's like, I just I

1033
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: just want to say this, like social media is fake news.

1034
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: It just is like you're you're seeing you're seeing the

1035
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: end product of something, right, and it might be a

1036
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: guy like Andy May, who is one of the best

1037
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: deer hunters out there. You might just see the result

1038
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: of somebody who's got it all like and like in

1039
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: the capacity we're we're talking about, or you might see

1040
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: a buck that somebody didn't didn't earn at all, they

1041
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: showed up whatever for whatever. Like the spectrum is huge,

1042
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: and the problem is we're seeing all of those deer

1043
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: all day long. Every nobody shoots the buck and doesn't

1044
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: post a picture, right, and so you're just getting exposed

1045
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: to that. But if you go out there and you

1046
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: look at like the success rates from state to state,

1047
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: it's not changing. And so we're just getting exposed to

1048
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: these And the problem is, like we sit here and

1049
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: we look at that and go it's it's just human

1050
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: nature to be like, why didn't Why am I not

1051
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: killing one fort every year? Like, well, almost nobody is,

1052
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, like almost nobody is doing that. And then

1053
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: you see some of these people who are doing like

1054
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: awesome stuff out there. I always think about like the

1055
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: hunting public, and you watch those guys and they're young,

1056
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: but I think they're probably some of the best hunters

1057
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: to come into the industry. I really do. And part

1058
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: of that is they are in a place where they

1059
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: embrace this this brand that they built, but they're they're

1060
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: layering experience in there. I mean, those guys are knocking

1061
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: out state after state and hunt after hunt after hunt,

1062
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: and they are layering experience in in a way where

1063
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: the average year old out there, it's going to take

1064
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: him a decade to get one year like that. And

1065
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: so if you compare yourself to that and go, well,

1066
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: there's so many variables that are keeping like the normal

1067
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: average deer hunter from even approaching that orbit, you know

1068
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it's like it's a weird

1069
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: world where you see that all the time, but it's

1070
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't factor in anything in your life. Or you

1071
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: might just be somebody who just kind of likes deer hunting,

1072
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: or even if you love it, you might have a

1073
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: life situation where you know, you're you're like five days

1074
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: a year, six days a year, like you're not gonna

1075
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen unless you have that just banging spot,

1076
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, like otherwise you're gonna be like, you know,

1077
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: mostly unsuccessful most years. And so it's just it's you know,

1078
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: having little kids, like I do I look at that

1079
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: and I go, that is you know, and there's a

1080
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: whole different issue. And you get little girls and you

1081
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: look at it like it's a scary thing and it's

1082
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: just not reality, Like it's just such a like you

1083
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: pick the worst thing, like we want people to see.

1084
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: We're like here you go, here's just this. Here's nothing else,

1085
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: like all the mistakes I made all day long, like

1086
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about and so it's dangerous ground. But you

1087
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: know that that's the thing that I I worry about

1088
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: with us the most in this industry right now is

1089
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: just like what what reality are we presenting? And just

1090
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: by sure nature of like doing what we do, like

1091
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: content creation, you leave stuff out like it's just you

1092
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 1: just have to. But like is it an honest look

1093
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: or is it like how far is it skewed one

1094
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: way or the other? And you know this, like you're

1095
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: always checking yourself like, okay, am I showing as much

1096
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: of like the warts as I am of the beauty shots.

1097
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: And that's it's it's a tough thing to do. Yeah,

1098
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: my problems. I show too many warts And I get

1099
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: people saying, do you ever do you ever not screw

1100
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: up a hunt? So the other day justin do you

1101
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: want to tell my ward story? Oh? Speaking of these

1102
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: kinds of things, So I am O c D. I'm obsessive.

1103
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm a perfectionist. I am so analytical with all this right,

1104
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going in and we're gonna go hang a

1105
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: set midday right on the edge of the gray betting

1106
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: ever been hunting, uh, to be better positioned for the

1107
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: shifting wind direction we had from day one to day

1108
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: two and it was gonna be a relatively still day.

1109
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: So I wanted to leave really early, slowly walk our

1110
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: way in there. And then I stopped justin about a

1111
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: hundred fift yards out or something, said hey, man, this

1112
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: last hundred yards or so, I want to freaking stealth

1113
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: mode it to another level because we're gonna be setting

1114
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: up within like forty fifty yards maybe or worth these

1115
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: doss We betted. We cannot afford to spook these doughs.

1116
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's be perfect. So we filled me in on

1117
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: stealth mode. Oh well, it was like step step, Yeah,

1118
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was fearing, like, I'm film this, but

1119
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't think people are gonna realize Mark's moving, like, so,

1120
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: yeah we were. How long did it take you to

1121
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: go from start of stealth mode to end of stealth mode? Yeah,

1122
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: we were. I don't know time, but it felt like forever,

1123
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: the last, the last, like forty yards of the heart

1124
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: because we were walking across the field, but then when

1125
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: we get into the timber, it was like there was

1126
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: the tall way to get through tall brushy weeds and

1127
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: then into some buckthorn. Everything's crunchy. So just like every

1128
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: single foot step, I'm trying to place it in the

1129
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: right place, slowly, ease it down, edge around every branch.

1130
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: You're not snapping and cracking and popping. Um. Of course

1131
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I got I got headphones on so I can hear

1132
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: two um mikes that are amped up a little bit,

1133
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: so everything sounds like three times a little and I

1134
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: know like Mark soul is dying when when I'm stepping

1135
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: out things. So yeah, I'm kind of letting him pay

1136
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: the way you did. Great. I never once thought that.

1137
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: I never once thought you let me down. Okay, good,

1138
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: I thought you let me down, but I wasn't. That's

1139
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: what we're getting. Can you tell us how Mark let

1140
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: himself down? Here? So so well, what do you want?

1141
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: Do you want to lay the punch line or do

1142
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: you want me to live? You can go ahead, I'll

1143
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: just I'll add the sugar. Okay, So we we finished

1144
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: this stealth mode, sneak into this edge of the timber,

1145
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: and we get in there, we find the tree, and

1146
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: UM finally picked the spot where I thinks our best chance,

1147
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: and we get to the bottom of the tree. And

1148
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: for the show, I want to explain what we're doing,

1149
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: so I kind of start whisper talking to the camera,

1150
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: explaining why we were just stealth moting it this last yards,

1151
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: why we're being so careful about it, why I want

1152
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: to make sure we UM just pay attention to the

1153
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: details here on this one. And as I'm describing that,

1154
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: I have been holding a can of nosejammer, which is

1155
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: like an aerosol metal can, and we're standing on some

1156
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: rocks underneath this tree, and his like the words he

1157
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: was saying could not have been more precise about what

1158
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: was about to happen. Is almost like it happened. We

1159
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: went back and rerecorded, like what could be the worst

1160
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: thing you could say to prep people for Like, because

1161
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of having this speech, it's so

1162
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: important to be perfectly quiet when you go into a

1163
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: place like this. And as I'm doing this, I'm reaching

1164
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: behind me where that can to put the can of

1165
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: nose jammer into my water bottle pocket while you're explaining

1166
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: some I'm like, so we're just taking our time and

1167
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: we're going to be perfectly silent because there could be

1168
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: doze betted forty yards away, forty yards from the best spot.

1169
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: And I released the can of nose jammer into my

1170
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: water bottle pocket, but instead of there being a water

1171
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: pole pocket, it was air and it dropped and crashed

1172
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: down on the rid a pile of stones, Like I

1173
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: almost wept myself. Yeah, and I just it was just

1174
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: a classic. So that's that's classic canyon right there. Unfortunately

1175
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: you were filming it. So can I tell you the

1176
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: dumbest thing I did this week while we're while we're

1177
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: telling secrets. So today Charlie and I are sitting there,

1178
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, four hours whatever, we had some does come in,

1179
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: had a little spiker come in, and we're like, okay,

1180
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta get out here. It's been dead.

1181
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: We gotta go hang this new set. And I look

1182
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: at my bow and I knocked my arrow in the

1183
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: dark and I knocked my knock below my So I'm like,

1184
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking ship, Like if if a big one would

1185
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: have walked in and I wouldn't have caught that. I'd

1186
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: have sent an arrow right off into Ohio and missed

1187
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: him by a mile. And I'm like, I've done this

1188
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: hundreds of times. I don't remember once in my life

1189
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: ever doing that and not like noticing for four hours.

1190
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're professional. Happens to us all. That's some

1191
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: expert level stuff there, It happens to everyone. Um, let's

1192
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: let's go through a few more kind of rapid fire

1193
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: because you know you want to get in the stand here, Tony,

1194
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: a few more rapid fire challenges that we might face

1195
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: their the rut. I'll throw it out there in any

1196
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: one of you three, if you have an idea or

1197
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: a thought on this, just jump in. I'm just gonna

1198
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: start pitching things that might happen during the rut and

1199
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: howard to deal with them? So how about you go in.

1200
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna sit somewhere in the rut. It could be

1201
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: a small property, could be public land, whatever. And you

1202
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: get set up and another guy comes in and he

1203
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: sets up you know, within a hundred yards fifty yards something.

1204
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: He's close. You see him, someone bust through your good stuff.

1205
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that? Anyone have a thought

1206
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: on that? Do you keep hunting. Do you move, Tony,

1207
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm out of there. I've had that happened before on

1208
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: public land and I can't. I don't hunt to be

1209
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: around people, you know, and it sucks. But it would

1210
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: be either time to pull the set or just go

1211
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: build a natural blind or some reset for the night.

1212
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that's no boy, No, Yeah, I'm moving too. What

1213
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: about a situation where you know that there's a good

1214
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: area you maybe you wanted to hunt this good spot,

1215
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: but your buddy shot a buck there the day before.

1216
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: If you blew it up like I did, or you're

1217
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: hunting the gland and it's the spot you scottered in

1218
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: the spring, you know it's awesome. But then you get

1219
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: to the parking lot and there's some guys dragging out

1220
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: a deer or someone leaving, say hey, we're done hunting.

1221
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: We we were in there for four days. Uh saw

1222
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: tons of action, killed one this morning or something like that.

1223
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Would you still hunt it or would you say, ah,

1224
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: they blew it up, it's not worth it, especially if

1225
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: it's rot. Okay, yeah, it's sure. Some Actually somebody explained

1226
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: to me why didn't kill them all out? I mean,

1227
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: how do you know? How do you know how much

1228
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: of an impact they had, you know, I mean that's

1229
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: just one of that you put it in the back

1230
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: of your mind, you go sit it and if it's

1231
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: doesn't pan out after a couple of CITs and you go, okay,

1232
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's done. But you know, I always

1233
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: think back, uh, when we were talking about the hot rut,

1234
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, and the last time we had this, I

1235
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: was down in Nebraska hunting um public land down there

1236
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: and it was seventy five degrees and before I got there,

1237
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: some dude had driven his uh dirt bike all over

1238
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: the public land we were hunting, like just crazy covered

1239
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: it and it was like a ghost town just cleared out.

1240
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: But we just kind of started figuring out like these

1241
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: deer coming back. He got busted, like he got a ticket,

1242
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: but after that stopped. I mean, it was surreal. You'd

1243
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: go to like a creek crossing or you I mean,

1244
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: just the scrapes, the rubs, everything was there. Everything looked perfect,

1245
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: timing look perfect. It was hot, but other than that,

1246
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: but the deer were just gonzo. But they started working

1247
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: their way back in like the the disturbance is gone.

1248
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: And it was a weird scenario. For a little bit

1249
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: if they come back like that's our home, you know.

1250
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: So So this brings me back to another one of

1251
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: these things that people might experience the time of year,

1252
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: which is the rut dead spell. The rut is very

1253
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: much like ups and downs here and not there, at

1254
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: least from my experience. What do you do or what

1255
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: would you do in a situation where you're hunting what

1256
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: you think is a good area and you've put in

1257
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: three or four days in the general zone and it's

1258
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: just dead. You're not seeing the running activity you thought

1259
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: you should see. It hasn't happened yet. But you're in

1260
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: a place that either from scouting or history or whatever,

1261
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: you know it should be good, but it isn't. We talked.

1262
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of weeks ago Andrea Quisto,

1263
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: who says that if you are sitting in a situation

1264
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: like that, get up and go and go find them,

1265
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: because they're all in some other pocket with one hot

1266
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: dough or something. So he would tell you to go

1267
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: walk over the property to start bumping bucks and then

1268
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: set up. Would you guys wait it out, because yeah,

1269
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: they might not be here, but it's their home. They're

1270
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna eventually get here and they will be coming back.

1271
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: Or do you go and seek him out after a

1272
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: couple of days, go get them. I'd go get him.

1273
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 1: How long would you wait? How long do you hold

1274
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: it out? Not long? Because you got it wrong. I mean,

1275
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: that's that's the problem with this is we get this idea,

1276
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: this is where it's going to happen. This is how

1277
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. You know they're gonna cruise to this

1278
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: pinch point whatever. But you get that stuff wrong constantly.

1279
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's all the time. And to ride out

1280
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: a dead program, like a really dead program, there's no boy,

1281
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: you're in the spot that you have a ton of

1282
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: confidence in. It's money you're sitting, and it's lots of activity.

1283
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: It's November seven, November whatever, and cruising bucks coming through.

1284
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: There was chasing your big buck that you want to shoot,

1285
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: or a big buck that you want to shoot comes

1286
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: in and he blows out, you booger him. Somehow he

1287
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: wins you or spots you drawn back, or you're shooting

1288
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: you miss something like that. But there's still all sorts

1289
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: of activity. Do you stick it out? Do you immediately

1290
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: go and reposition? Do you stay there? That day. In

1291
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: the next day, what do you do in that situation?

1292
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: You don't leave biting fish, buddy, Never leave fish to

1293
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: find fish. And again probably comes back to your goals, like, uh,

1294
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: if that's the buck you want to kill, then you

1295
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: probably want to figure something ounce out. But if you're

1296
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: if you're just hunting your I'd stick it out, Tony.

1297
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: What if it's the buck you want to kill? Or

1298
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: is it like this? Is this is an exact snare

1299
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: that happened to me. I have one target buck I

1300
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: want to kill on one of these small properties. And

1301
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: he came in ten minutes before shooting light came to

1302
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: ten yards because if it had been daylight could have

1303
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: shot him, but it wasn't. And so he walked past

1304
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: me to my down one side, winding main blew out

1305
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: And then I was sitting there the rest of the

1306
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: morning think, Okay, he just winded me from this tree.

1307
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I know him in like the belly of the beasts,

1308
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: the best stuff around, and everything's happening around me, but

1309
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: the one deer I'll shoot out here blew me out here.

1310
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there thing and do I need

1311
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: to relocate fifty yards hundred yards? Uh? Should I just

1312
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: stick it out and wait for a dough to bring

1313
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: him back and he won't care. What are your thoughts?

1314
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: I would probably stick it out for a little while

1315
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: and see, I mean if that you know that that

1316
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: like you said, there there's the wild card, like what

1317
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: if he gets on a bill that smells right? You know,

1318
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: he's going wherever she goes. And what is their memory

1319
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: on a situation like that? You know, you kind of

1320
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: hope they're they're a little punch drunk during the rut

1321
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: and maybe they'll maybe they'll slip. Maybe it wasn't as

1322
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: impactful as if he'd got you on September, you know.

1323
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: But that's why I don't hunt one, Bucky, you might

1324
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: be the smarter one of us. Two. Um, what about

1325
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: the situation where you are dealing with let's say you're

1326
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: out there middle of November and it's that lockdown phase

1327
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: that we often hear quote unquote lockdown phase mid November fifteen,

1328
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeenth, that a lot of folks in the media

1329
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: will talk about, Well, this is when it dies down.

1330
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: It's slower. All the bucks have got does? This is

1331
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: a time period a lot of people struggle with at

1332
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: times at least hunting conventional ways. Any thoughts on how

1333
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: to deal with the challenge of mid November. Do you

1334
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: hunt it differently than you would the first week or two?

1335
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: Um is going pheasant hunt an option? Fantt Yeah, I

1336
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: would really Yeah, No, I no, I would actually, but

1337
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the lockdown thing is can really suck.

1338
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: But it's also I always look at that like they're

1339
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: not all lockdown, right, you know, and that lockdown is

1340
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: like forty hours whatever it's going to be, and they're

1341
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: in different stages of that, and so yeah, it's not

1342
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: the chasing crazy phase, but it's also one of those

1343
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: ones where in some ways they kind of get more

1344
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: visible if those doughs really get you know, they get

1345
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: out into a certain spot and he gets her corral

1346
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: in a certain way. A lot of bucks die that

1347
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: way because they won't leave them, and so it's it's

1348
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: just a change, you know. I mean, it's kind of

1349
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: to me that's like the difference between the last week

1350
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: October in the first week in November. Like they're close

1351
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: in some ways, but a lot of a lot of

1352
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: times you're doing something vastly different by the from the

1353
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: front end of the back end and so the lockdown

1354
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: just brings you into a new strategy, you know, yeah, yeah,

1355
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: I've always felt the same thing, Like, certainly there might

1356
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: be less of that on their feet cruise and chasing around,

1357
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: but not every single book will all be locked out

1358
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: all the same time. And when they do break off one,

1359
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: you do have those windows of opportunity and it can

1360
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: be just as good as any other time. Then, and

1361
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: it goes back to the simplest part of the route,

1362
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: which is time on stand, being out there and being

1363
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: able to capitalize on those moments when they arrived of UM,

1364
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: which finally gets us to the mental side of things

1365
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: a little bit back. We talked about expectations. We talked

1366
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: about how it's so easy to have these dreams of

1367
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: what the rut should be like, but then it doesn't

1368
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: pan out. Um. What about just handling the mental side

1369
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: of the grind of the rut? Long days on stand,

1370
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: morning after morning, waking up a three thirty whatever it is, uh,

1371
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: freezing your tail off most years. Maybe you're hunting all day,

1372
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: every day, hunting twelve hours on the stand, your worn out?

1373
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: Any um, any advice or thoughts on how to deal

1374
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: with that side of things? UM? I'll say one thing

1375
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: I just post on Instagram about this yesterday. It's something

1376
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: that I've had to kind of grow into. I used

1377
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: to take the brute force approach to hunting all the time,

1378
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: both out of the rut and in the rut, and

1379
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: I thought that the only way I could kill the

1380
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: deer I wanted to shoot would be to hunt every

1381
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: single possible time. I could put every minute into it

1382
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: that I possibly could, so during the rut, I would

1383
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: feel really guilty if I didn't feel like I was

1384
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: giving two thou to it, and if I wasn't hunting

1385
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: every spare moment and every opportunity and giving it. I

1386
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: wanted to leave every little bit on the court, and

1387
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: if I didn't, I'd be beating myself up big time.

1388
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: I've started to more recently realize that maybe that might

1389
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: result in diminishing returns. Where if you are wearing yourself

1390
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: down so bad and you are tiring yourself up so much,

1391
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: you're grinding so hard that you start making bad decisions,

1392
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: start losing focus on stand start making silly mistakes, and

1393
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: then most importantly, you stop having fun. And if it

1394
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: gets to that point, a little reset sometimes can make

1395
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: a big difference both in your enjoyment level and also

1396
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: how effective is a hunter you are. So I've given

1397
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: myself permission over the last couple of years that I

1398
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: don't have to hunt midday every single day. I don't

1399
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: need to do twelve artos every day. I don't need

1400
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: to be superman. UM. I will when it seems right

1401
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: or when time allows. But if it doesn't seem right,

1402
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go spend some time with kids or do

1403
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: something like that. UM. If I need to take a

1404
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: morning off, you know, five years ago, I would have

1405
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: never ever considered that. Um. Now, if it's you know,

1406
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: if it's that sure, I'll take a morning off, reset

1407
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: feel better, and then just kick it back into gear

1408
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: even better after that. That's where my head has been

1409
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: a little bit on some of this mental side of things. UM.

1410
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that specifically or other mental challenges during

1411
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: this time period, anybody, I think. I think all you're

1412
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: describing is why kids need recess. You know, Like the

1413
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: single best day I've ever had el hunting is when

1414
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: I spent most of it fishing. Sometimes you just need to.

1415
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to what we talked about earlier, Right,

1416
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: is your goal to kill a big one and then

1417
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: you know what you gotta put in right like to

1418
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: to have your chance. But are you like, at the

1419
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: same time, are you having fun you know? And if

1420
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: it's not fun anymore or if you're kind of dreading it,

1421
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: like you know, you can tell. There's such a difference

1422
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: when you wake up and you're like, oh my god,

1423
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: it's the road, I don't want to get out there,

1424
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: or you wake up and you're like another excited this deal,

1425
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's that's the balance there, I think. Yeah,

1426
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: that's your take a break sign right there. A good

1427
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: morning sleep band is huge, Charlie. Snack advice, snack advice.

1428
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: Not those freaking apples. Oh man, you got freeze dried apples,

1429
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: like the dried apples. No, they're not. They're freeze dried.

1430
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: Would they're not anyone? Okay, So I thought of the

1431
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: perfect explanation. Yeah, but you should preface this with you

1432
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: have to have gushers all the time. Gushers are an

1433
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,879
Speaker 1: important snack. Look, dude, you've had that pack of gushers

1434
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: in your pack. I have had my lucky gushers that

1435
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: you gave me. You guys gotta understand that Charlie is

1436
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: like our eccentric Davia. Charlie isn't after this is overcause

1437
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: I've been staring at this handle and can't figure it out.

1438
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: What staring at the handle on a table and you

1439
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: can't figure out I'll let you know. You fold it

1440
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: up and you just carry a buddy. No, But like, okay,

1441
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: if it's nobody listening understands what's going on. Now. There's

1442
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: there's this folding table like the plastic white ones, and

1443
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: it's got folding legs, and he folded up and fold

1444
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: it in half. While this handle is shaped to fit

1445
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: your hand, but there's grips and airspace on the bottom

1446
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: of the handle, so if you're holding it, it seems

1447
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: like the grip should be on the other side. I

1448
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: was just wondering, this is what we're dealing with. Okay,

1449
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: go ahead into here. But anyways, that the meat eater

1450
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: stuck me with perfect fit. Yeah, can you imagine? I

1451
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: Charlie was sitting with me though, Hey, I read that

1452
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: short story. Also, Oh you read it? Ye? Did you

1453
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: have a physical reaction to it? He told me not

1454
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: to read it, so I said, read it if you want,

1455
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: but I am not going to be the one responsible

1456
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: for telling you know, do you know what he asked

1457
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: me this morning? Right away? It's like, does your hoptel

1458
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: have a pool on it? Oh? God? You I know.

1459
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: She's like, I want to come over and go swimming.

1460
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: I was like, terrible. Yeah, gushers are important, though, so

1461
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: gusher's any other commend the snacks because snacks are an

1462
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: important part of maintaining your mental edge. And I'm actually

1463
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: not kidding. Yeah, I honestly think of having some snacks.

1464
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: Justin's been making some good coffee. Yeah, and he said

1465
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: he's like half as in it. Yeah. If I had

1466
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: the stuff, we'd be rolling man coffee snacks. If you're

1467
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: gonna yeah. Um. I was surprised because you asked for

1468
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: snacks suggestions and you came back with pretty good, pretty

1469
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: good haul. You got Golden Graham's, the bars, the bars

1470
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: except when they get hot, like it's been right now.

1471
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: The marshmallow sticks, yeah, oatmeal cream pies, peanut butter crackers. Yeah.

1472
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: We had a full little Debbie discussion the other mine.

1473
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: If you didn't know what was going on here and

1474
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: you just walked into this tent, looked at the snack sele,

1475
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: actually you'd be like, man, there's some stoners kept up.

1476
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: There's like no redeeming every calorie there is just to

1477
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: kill you. A little quicker sweet and banana chips. You

1478
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: can't explain those astronaut apples. There's no way. I hope

1479
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: back too, So I'm like, he's have to be good,

1480
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: so I hopen him. I'm like, you know the dried

1481
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: ones that are just delicious. Yeah, that's what I thought

1482
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: I bought, That's what I thought about. So I throw

1483
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: a couple in my mouth and it's like, you know

1484
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: how you're digging up worms like nightcrawlers to go fishing,

1485
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: you know how, like when they're in the grass or

1486
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: in the dirt, they're just all relaxed and stretched out.

1487
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: That's my tongue before I put the apple on it.

1488
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: And then you grab the worm. It's like this sucks

1489
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: right up. That was after and then out and then

1490
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Tony yelled at me about baiting. So he's got this

1491
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: handful of dried apples and he throws them out there,

1492
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, there they're gonna think for

1493
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: baiting here, and he's like, deer are not gonna eat these?

1494
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's funny. That's very funny. So swinging to

1495
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: miss their buddy, swinging to miss um any other rut

1496
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: challenges that we haven't covered, anything else that you can

1497
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: think of, Tony justin Charlie, I think just clothing and comfort,

1498
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: you know, you want to talk about the mental side

1499
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: of things we've I mean, we went out this morning

1500
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: at four o'clock. It was sixty one degrees, but it

1501
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: was actually felt colder by like nine o'clock the clouds

1502
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: came in, and so you know, normally you're like, how

1503
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: how much can I layer up? How much did I

1504
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: carry in so I don't sweat? And I just think

1505
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: really kind of getting in tune with your clothing and

1506
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: what you're capable of comfortable, you know, like comfort wise,

1507
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: like can you sit on a little tiny stand or

1508
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: can you hang in the saddle all day? Or do

1509
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: you need something more? Like until you've done it, you

1510
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: don't really know. But it's like you kind of fall

1511
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: in love with the idea, like I'm I'm going into

1512
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: hanging on I'm gonna do this little set up and

1513
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit all day. Maybe maybe, but you might

1514
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: get out there and at like eleven o'clock, like my back,

1515
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: hurt's hungry, this sucks cold hot whatever. My feet are

1516
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: the first to go. I get cold feet, and then

1517
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: it's just like, I can't take your mind off your

1518
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: cold feet. You don't want something like that to keep

1519
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: you from you're hunt. Yeah, it's I say this all

1520
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: the time, but there's so many things you can't control

1521
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: and hunt that the few things that you have complete

1522
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: control over it you gotta nail it, clothing gear being

1523
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: one of them. How you not your arrow? How you

1524
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: not your arrows? Take snacks? You take when you open

1525
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: your snacks? Where you place your nose jammer cans all that.

1526
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: So I guess this brings us to the moral of

1527
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: the story, which is, if you can go through all

1528
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: the challenges of the rut, And so I have faced

1529
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: many of these things and others in the proceeding two

1530
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: weeks ladly up to this moment where I did also

1531
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: had all sorts of close calls and mistakes and frustrations

1532
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: and YadA YadA, YadA, Ah did the nose jammer thing

1533
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: whatever brings us to yesterday. If you can sometimes weather

1534
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: the ups and downs of the rut, good things can happen.

1535
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: Day three of her hunt here in the back forty

1536
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: UM we headed in for another hunt. I decided that

1537
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt inside the edge of this betting

1538
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: area that previously we've been hunting on the outside edge of.

1539
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: I just I just kept believing that I knew something

1540
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: was going to come through Eventually. It was where the

1541
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: most doughs are coming in and out of on that

1542
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: side of the farm, and I believe that if we

1543
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: could make it work with the wind, it was worth

1544
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: getting in there. And there was a stand that we'd

1545
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: prepped the year prior, the very first tray ever prepped

1546
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: on this farm, prepped just inside of this section that

1547
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: we call the honey hole where there's this whole native

1548
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: prairie ecosystem. We did a prescribe fire of the spring

1549
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: to improve it. We removed some of the invasive autumnle

1550
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: of buck thrown out of there to open it up

1551
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:39,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more. We've done this work. It's setting

1552
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: up inside of it where you can see into these

1553
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: openings in between theaters and stuff and tons of doors

1554
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: bet in there. Historically, over the last two years I've

1555
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: seen UM. I found the only two sheds in the property.

1556
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: I found in there this spring. UM we sat outside

1557
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: of it in a little food plats just outside with

1558
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: my dad, and he got a shot of deer out there,

1559
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: and from that spot we saw the draft time. By luck,

1560
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: the night I saw the drop time about the first

1561
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: night of this hunt was not too far outside of it.

1562
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: So again I've been trying to keep it simple. I

1563
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: think this is where the most does are and I

1564
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: think this is one of the best areas that a

1565
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: buck might want to cruise in or around, and if

1566
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: you can work the wind in there, I thought being

1567
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: in that zone is worth it. So we get in

1568
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 1: there that morning and I don't know, maybe well, first,

1569
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: just after first light, we're looking at the fact that

1570
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: once it brightened up, you could actually see a little

1571
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: more outside of the bedding air than we realized. You

1572
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: can kind of see towards this food plot closer than

1573
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 1: I thought you could otherwise, and there's some branches in

1574
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: the way. So I was like, hey, you know, I

1575
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: can actually shoot to that if those branches weren't there.

1576
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Just so you want me come down, I say, sure,

1577
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: I guess just if you can do it real quick

1578
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: and quiet, which is you know, set up for failure,

1579
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: but quick quiet. So he starts it gets the saw

1580
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: and he starts cranking up in the whole tree ship.

1581
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: Come on, you gotta give me more credit, and that

1582
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: I was very meticulous. You were good, but still the

1583
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: amount of like regardless, you were good as good as

1584
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: you possibly can be, It's still there was still the

1585
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: dangerous move. It's still a dangerous move. And the tree

1586
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: branch drops that he had been cutting. And when it

1587
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: drops where I like, oh, there's deer right there. You

1588
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: had been cutting this Lindo talks about myself. Yes, stealth

1589
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: mode all the time. So there's two doughs right there.

1590
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: They did not spook. They didn't even look. I didn't

1591
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: even look. Um. But then I don't know, half hour

1592
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: after that, maybe I go looking down in the swamp

1593
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: beneath us and I just see Antler's coming. There's a

1594
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: long way as away, four yards away or something like that.

1595
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: Put my bios and it's that big funky side about

1596
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,520
Speaker 1: Tony that you and I saw on camera. Um that

1597
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: that we don't know if we're calling him Spencer or

1598
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: the wrong Spencer or whatever, but he's the funky side

1599
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: of buck. And he looked big. He looked bigger in

1600
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: person than he looked on camera coming through that tall grass.

1601
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, that's a nice deer. He

1602
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: came walk in our direction, but again very far away

1603
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: and down beneath us. He walks as kind of cruising,

1604
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: disappears maybe ten minutes later. I look out there again,

1605
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: see movement both the buyos and there's a doe squirting

1606
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: through and then right behind her, I see white times

1607
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: and momentarily after that I realized that's Droppy. That's that's

1608
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: the Droptime Buck from the first night. He goes following her.

1609
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: Around five minutes later, I see them come back through

1610
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: the swamp, but again pretty far away. We got a

1611
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 1: little footage of it. I don't know if you have

1612
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: you looked at yet. Can you see him? Um? So

1613
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: it was exciting that those two bucks were in the area,

1614
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: but pretty darned far away. Um. We're just in a

1615
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: unique spot up on a hill. We can see way

1616
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: down there into an opening. I had this kind of

1617
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: internal conversation with myself that was, Okay, it's nice to

1618
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: know they're in the general area, and it's anything's possible,

1619
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: but it seems it seems far more likely that they

1620
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: could go any other direction than this way. But thirty

1621
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: minutes later see times coming through the cedars and just

1622
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: was a real quick flash from one seedar to the next.

1623
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: There was like a couple of foot gap and you

1624
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: could just see a side profile of white antlers go through.

1625
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: And right away I'm like, good buck, good luck. I'm

1626
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: not sure if it's a shooter, but definitely potential. So

1627
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: I said, okay, we need to see what this deers.

1628
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: I grabbed the grunt tube, let out a couple of grunts,

1629
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: and then you, I don't know, A couple of seconds later,

1630
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: five seconds later, all of a sudden, here comes the

1631
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: antlers out from behind the saar. It was one of

1632
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: the most beautiful sites I've ever seen. I mean, it's

1633
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: it's dreams are made the dreams are made of It

1634
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: was the droptime Buck, a little drop he as we're

1635
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: calling him. He came walk out of the sea, came up,

1636
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: started ripping up a scrape and then he at this

1637
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: point he's at forty yards facing us head on. I think, okay,

1638
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm shooting this deer. If he turns broadside, should I

1639
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 1: take the shot? Can? I like forty yards in my range,

1640
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: but I'd rather have a twenty yard shot than a

1641
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: fourt yard shot. So I'm trying to now think I've

1642
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: got the ball right and think, Okay, should I draw

1643
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: back and try to take the shot right away or

1644
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: do I wait and see how this plays out. I

1645
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: decided to wait and see how it plays out because

1646
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: he never really gave me a good broadside. I think

1647
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: if he'd gone totally broadside and did still, I probably

1648
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: would have done it. But because he never gave me

1649
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: a good angle, we let it play out. And then

1650
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: he started walking towards us, but went behind this big

1651
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: oak tree. He's behind the oak tree, and now I'm

1652
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 1: thinking in my head, okay, he's heading towards the direction

1653
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 1: of our wind. Our wind was kind of blowing straight

1654
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: up the edge, and he was heading towards that. So

1655
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: I knew that if he gets past this oak tree,

1656
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: there's the potentially he could get on our wind. So

1657
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, as soon as he steps off from

1658
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: behind these branches, I have to shoot fast before he

1659
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: gets that wind that's going through my head. And while

1660
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: it's going through my head, justin all of a sudden

1661
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, I don't have him. I don't

1662
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: have him. I don't have him and then I think

1663
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: I just shot that you I don't care. Yeah, we

1664
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: had this, We had this prep talk like Okay, this

1665
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: is what we say if we don't have it, this

1666
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: is you know, if we're good, and I'm like, I

1667
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: don't you know here, I'm thinking, this is just the

1668
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: most beautiful moment. Please don't screw it up. And I'm

1669
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: like I'm not on him, and Mark's like I don't care,

1670
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: and the like we'll find we have that documented and

1671
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: you don't get this, We're just going to revert back

1672
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: to that. What I was trying to say was but

1673
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't communicate in the moment, was that I couldn't

1674
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: shoot either. He was behind, so I can't. I was basically,

1675
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: don't worry that shooting this way to say I know,

1676
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: but but some other words I don't care came out.

1677
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: But what I was trying to articulous it don't worry,

1678
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm not shooting. So it's like a nice way, like, oh,

1679
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: it's okay. I listened back to it and I was like, well,

1680
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: I have his antlers, so if you want to shoot,

1681
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: oh you did. Yeah. Yeah, those are high those are

1682
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: intense moments. There's a lot of pressure window. There was

1683
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: no thinking just in that moment, just base animal mark

1684
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: is what you got. Yeah, but fortunately he didn't go

1685
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: out that way. He stopped, Tony wouldn't talk to me,

1686
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: turned around, he turned around, came back the way he

1687
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: sort of came, but cut closer and walked out from

1688
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: behind the oak tree the direction we wanted to, right

1689
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: to twenty yards, fifteen yards something like that, and perfect.

1690
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean I drew back as he started coming through.

1691
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: As soon as he stepped out behind the branches, I

1692
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 1: just kind of gave him a little quiet Marat stopped

1693
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: him and let her rip. And it was just about

1694
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: where I wanted, maybe an inch or two farther back

1695
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: than I wanted. I wanted to be kind of center lungs.

1696
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: And it was back along and uh, he went tearing off,

1697
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: and to make a long story short, we pulled out

1698
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: for ways wait until Tony was done hunting. All came

1699
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: back and he didn't run I don't know, sixty yards short,

1700
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 1: wonderful track job, just the way you want it. And

1701
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: just like that, my season went from being what it

1702
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: felt like when I'm almost frustrating, and it had just

1703
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: seemed like everything I've been doing it just kept having

1704
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: weird things happening and tough hunts and from Idaho to

1705
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,799
Speaker 1: Ohiou to this long thing I've been doing in Michigan

1706
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: and just been frustrating a lot of ways. But I

1707
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: kept reminded me, kept having the same like internal talk,

1708
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: like it can change in a second any tamp time. Now,

1709
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: just like stay out there, stay positive, keep at it.

1710
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: It will chang change And then just like that, when

1711
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: you least expect it, kind of it does. And that

1712
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: was that was how we killed the first buck on

1713
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: the back forty second buck. We're having a hell of

1714
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: a season the back floor. It's been a new year.

1715
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: It's been a new year, so I don't know any

1716
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: final thoughts. It was awesome. I had a blast. I'm

1717
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: really glad you guys are all out here with me, Tony,

1718
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: getting your perspective on the property and how you would

1719
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 1: hunt it and your thoughts. It's it's awesome. I've always

1720
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed learning from you, and uh, you know, now you

1721
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: better understand my weirdness, which which is a good thing.

1722
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: Charlie justin I want you guys to know how much

1723
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate you dealing with all of my adosyncrasies, working

1724
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: your tail off out here, being out here early, staying

1725
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: out late, being here in the crazy hot summer when

1726
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: we were working getting here as early as I make

1727
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: you get here in the mornings for these morning hunts.

1728
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's always good to sleep in the trees

1729
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 1: dayn before daylight. That means you're in there earlier. Anybody

1730
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: listened to this. We Charlie and I had this conversation

1731
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: this morning because we we've been getting in there after

1732
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: we finally told you, no more Mark, no more marks

1733
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: setting the schedule, we've still been getting in there like

1734
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes early and just sitting there

1735
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm doing the math this morning.

1736
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: I was like, Mark got us in here like two

1737
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: hours before first life, Like this is terrible. Well, yeah

1738
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: it was because we were what was that which was

1739
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: the very first night, the first day we did two hours?

1740
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: I think that was because I mean that was excessive.

1741
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: I've realized that, Um, I should have just brought my

1742
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: baby set up and just slept under my tree. I

1743
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: just kept looking at the ground. I was like, man,

1744
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: but loved it, Like we have so much crap, we

1745
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: have to get set up in these trees and double

1746
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: sets camera gear and it's history. The worst the worst

1747
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: thing you want is to be there and it's like

1748
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before daylight and there's deer moving all around

1749
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: and you're spooking them. So this goes back to my

1750
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: entire flow with the deer hunting. As if we've discussed,

1751
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: which is I overdo everything. I overthink everything. I'm doubly careful.

1752
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: I try to be perfectious to the tea and it

1753
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: results in all this stupid stuff you have to do

1754
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: with well, you're I mean you're airing on the side

1755
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: of caution there, and you see this with people when

1756
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: you do this enough, if you're rushing, he sucks like

1757
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: you're making mistakes. And so yeah, I mean getting in

1758
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: seventeen hours too early is stupid. But like a nice

1759
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: museum and an hour is what I usually like with

1760
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: cameraman every over that first morning, Charlie and I were

1761
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: sitting there, I was like, Jesus crazy, what is it

1762
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna get lighted? Like you know how it is like

1763
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: you keep your zone out for a while, you maybe

1764
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: like conk out for a little bit. You like look

1765
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: over to the east here, like there should be like

1766
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of pink. Yet it is just night

1767
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: times kind of like, oh my god, this is the

1768
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: longest ever sending the dark out here was waiting, Yeah,

1769
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: we're sitting there so long. This morning, I was like

1770
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: looking at the moon. I was like, the moon has

1771
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: to go a long way before it even starts getting

1772
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: to the way the sun comes up at a spot

1773
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: picked out. Charlie is a star gazer, man, I'll talk

1774
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: to you about stars for a long time. It's a

1775
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff. Well, there you go, guys, Thank

1776
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: you all for joining. Thanks again to all three of you.

1777
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: And uh, two things I'll tell you Number one, make

1778
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 1: sure you're checking out the back forty. Season two was

1779
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: just launched on the meat Eater YouTube channel. The first

1780
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: episode launched this past Sunday. The second episode will be

1781
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: coming out in just a couple of days. If you

1782
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: want to see how we got to this point where

1783
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot more dear than we saw last year,

1784
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: where we've now shot a really nice buck. We saw

1785
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: three shooters. We forgot to mention, I saw another shooter

1786
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: to that too, Um, but that day. UM check it

1787
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: out episode one now. Otherwise, best to luck out there.

1788
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: In the woods, shoot straight, and yeah you gotta grind

1789
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah you gotta put in the time, work hard,

1790
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: be smart, do all these things we talked about. But

1791
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: the most important thing is have fun. This thing is

1792
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be what we love, what we enjoy, what

1793
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: we look forward to all year. Do not let your

1794
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: obsession with the goal, like I sometimes do, get in

1795
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: the way of that. Have a blast, Thanks for listening,

1796
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.