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Speaker 1: code John. Let's start with the Jets, Jets, just Jets.

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Speaker 1: They signed Dalvin Cook. But first I actually saw a

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Speaker 1: I think that Aaron Rodgers thinks Stalvin Cook is Walter

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Speaker 1: not play as a rookie. Now, those two seasons ultimately

426
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Speaker 1: resulted in an MVP and a Super Bowl, so it

427
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Speaker 1: was it was a unique start to a career. But

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Speaker 1: they only got, however, many games out of those two

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Speaker 1: years on that rookie contract, and then they extended him

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Speaker 1: to a massive amount of money, which clearly has been

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Speaker 1: well worth it. Right to me, all the rookie quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: anytime you draft a guy really high, he's got to

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Speaker 1: play right away. I gotta see what I got if

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Speaker 1: I draft him really high. What's the point? What's the point?

435
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Speaker 1: Say what you want about Mac Jones, say what you

436
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Speaker 1: want about Justin Fields. We got a lot of question

437
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Speaker 1: marks coming into the season. Those guys have gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of reps. So now both those guys kind of

439
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: put up a shut up, right, like Zach Wilson Trey Lance,

440
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: just you ain't playing anymore. Zach, we've seen enough, and Trey,

441
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Speaker 1: we just don't have time to figure you out. But

442
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Speaker 1: getting the rep for these guys is so valuable. Who

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Speaker 1: cares if they throw four picks in the game, It

444
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a learning experience. The only way you

445
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Speaker 1: learn in football and in life is by failure. And

446
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: trust me, all three of these guys are gonna fail

447
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Speaker 1: a lot, right. Anthony Richardson is gonna be all over

448
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: the map. CJ. Stroud. This offense is very complex. It

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Speaker 1: is running the Shanahan offense, especially relative to what he

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Speaker 1: was doing Ohio State, which let's face it is relatively

451
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Speaker 1: easy for quarterbacks. And Bryce, who I'm a huge fan of,

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Speaker 1: just I mean a base on one game, gonna be

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Speaker 1: running for his life. So and it's not He's not

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Speaker 1: exactly Lamar Jackson, not the fastest cat. The reason he

455
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Speaker 1: didn't run the forty ain't that fast. He's a pocket quarterback.

456
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Speaker 1: So but let him get the reps. Let him learn

457
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Speaker 1: how to avoid hits, Like, hey, Bryce, you can't play

458
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Speaker 1: like you did in the SEC, which I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of respect for. Bryce is a tough, tough little

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Speaker 1: cookie man. He is. I'll never forget that National Championship

461
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Speaker 1: game when he was getting Pepper. Can play like that

462
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Speaker 1: weekend we get out in the NFL. You'll get your

463
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Speaker 1: leg snapped, you'll get your ribs broken, you'll get a concussion,

464
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Speaker 1: you will get snapped in half. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: if he's as big as Anthey Rigson, you can't. You

466
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Speaker 1: got to learn to get down, You got to learn

467
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Speaker 1: to throw the ball away. But you don't learn that

468
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Speaker 1: in practice. Why they can't hit you, they can't touch you.

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Speaker 1: I've been going to these practices. It's kind of a joke, right,

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Speaker 1: That's why I, like, I don't ever want to hear

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Speaker 1: another pass breakdown from the forty nine ers on the

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Speaker 1: tray lance court his practice. They're completely irrelevant. It's not

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Speaker 1: even it's not even football, right, it's football for my

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Speaker 1: guard and my defensive tackle going at it with the

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Speaker 1: initial pop. But then if the defensive tackle smokes the guard,

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Speaker 1: the moment he gets within a couple of feet of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, he stops. It's why so many of these

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Speaker 1: plays at practice, like, yeah, it probably would have been

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Speaker 1: a sack, and then he rolls out and makes some

480
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Speaker 1: sweet play. It happens to all the quarterbacks. But I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, it's you get to the preseason. That's why

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Speaker 1: I would not play my starters. People are getting hit,

483
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Speaker 1: and those defensive players, even if they're backups, have not

484
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Speaker 1: been able to actually hit anybody beside the guy right

485
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Speaker 1: in front of them who they're not tackling. They're just

486
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Speaker 1: trying to get around all training camp. So it's a

487
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Speaker 1: very violent game and the only way these guys learn

488
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Speaker 1: is through the reps. And all of them, I think

489
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Speaker 1: all three of these teams are probably gonna suck. I know,

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Speaker 1: Collins high on the Panthers. I do think it's pretty difficult,

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Speaker 1: even though they it looks like they got you know,

492
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Speaker 1: competent coach and got some good players, but losing what's

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Speaker 1: his name, Dj Moore to the Bears with the trade,

494
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Speaker 1: I just I think six and eleven's more realistic than

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Speaker 1: nine and eight. I really do. Now. In a year, right,

496
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Speaker 1: they could make if they get a high draft pick,

497
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Speaker 1: draft another playmaker, get some better offensive linemen, use some

498
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Speaker 1: salary cap space, will be in position to me Thets.

499
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Speaker 1: The Colts could easily have the worst record in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and in a couple of years, if this kid hits,

501
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Speaker 1: we look back on that year, it's like that changed

502
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Speaker 1: their fortune. Think about now, Joe Burrow got hurt, but

503
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Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to him was that

504
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Speaker 1: year turned into a disaster. It led them to get

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. I mean, what if they would have instead

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Speaker 1: of getting Jamar Chase. They are drafting like fourteen or fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes when you have a rookie quarterback, having a

508
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Speaker 1: shitty rookie year is not the end of the world

509
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Speaker 1: because it allows you to reload with draft picks that

510
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Speaker 1: following year, like you win a Super Bowl and you probably,

511
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Speaker 1: even if all things go well, make the playoffs either.

512
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Speaker 1: So being that like thirteen to fifteen spot is draft

513
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Speaker 1: is kind of a waste. So I love all three

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Speaker 1: of these teams, especially the Colts just naming it. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the Colts did as well, or I mean the Panthers

516
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Speaker 1: did as well. Clearly Houston will fall suit. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine sometime soon. Dimiko's a little old school stilling the

518
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Speaker 1: way for these guys to get better. Man, and then

519
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Speaker 1: when you look back and there's no guarantee any of

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Speaker 1: them are going to hit, there is. I mean, it's

521
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Speaker 1: the NFL. We think guys can't miss, and then they suck.

522
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Speaker 1: I thought Justin Fields at minimum would be like a

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Speaker 1: really solid player who knows time will tell hope I'm right.

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Speaker 1: I thought Trey Lance would be dramatically better than he was.

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Speaker 1: Feel pretty good about my Mac Jones stance, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys like there is no such thing as

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Speaker 1: a high floor. There just isn't. That gets thrown out

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Speaker 1: a lot, but it doesn't exist. And clearly like a

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Speaker 1: guy like Richardson, there was really no floors, just a

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Speaker 1: high ceiling. Like you swing for the fences sometimes you

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Speaker 1: miss right, Bryce Young can his body hold up? He

532
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Speaker 1: is small? CJ. Stroud Like there were some question marks

533
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Speaker 1: before that. Georgia game team's pretty bad, who knows, But

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Speaker 1: I love all these organizations just putting all their chips

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the table early on. Just let's

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Speaker 1: see where it goes. Let's do a little something we

537
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Speaker 1: call the Middlecoff mailbag DMS wide open Instagram at John

538
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Speaker 1: Middlecoff fire. In those DMS, actually saw Zuckerberg's house. It

539
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: is right next to where The Godfather was filmed in

540
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Speaker 1: the scene in Lake Tahoe where they have the party

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Speaker 1: on the water and then ultimately where Michael kills Fredo

542
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Speaker 1: in the lake. But the house, it's just we were

543
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Speaker 1: jet ski and had to fly by it and always

544
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Speaker 1: do if I'm on the lake, and Zuckerberg's got a

545
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Speaker 1: big pad in there as well, probably trading to try

546
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Speaker 1: to not get beat up by Elon and Elon in

547
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Speaker 1: the coliseum. But sweet Pat, if you're a billionaires, I'd

548
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Speaker 1: want to live there too. I understand the Raiders want

549
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Speaker 1: to win, and probably starting Jimmy g is the best

550
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Speaker 1: option to do that. But with two studed quarterbacks coming

551
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Speaker 1: into next year's draft, would it makes sense to take

552
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Speaker 1: a flyer on Aidan O'Connell to see if you can

553
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Speaker 1: be if he can be your guy for the future,

554
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Speaker 1: and give him a year to start. I don't. Colin

555
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Speaker 1: has said this is the perfect year to be bad,

556
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Speaker 1: and I feel like getting seven to nine wins is

557
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Speaker 1: worse than a top three pick. Aiden does well. You

558
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Speaker 1: see Aiden does well? You see hope he stinks you

559
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Speaker 1: draft the future thoughts. Don't hate that at all. But

560
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Speaker 1: when you give Jimmy Garoppolo, how much money they gave

561
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, he's starting at least for a while, so

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Speaker 1: it's hard to tell in the preseason, and you know,

563
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Speaker 1: I was driving down from Lake Tahoe back to the

564
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Speaker 1: the Sacramento area to go to my mom's house and

565
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Speaker 1: we get the local Bay area station that has Greg Papa,

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Speaker 1: who is the Niners radio guy. Now, who is the Raiders'

567
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Speaker 1: voice forever, and one thing that they were talking about

568
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Speaker 1: is listen. And I know this firsthand. To that game

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Speaker 1: means a lot to Mark Davis to beat the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, even if it's preseason. The stadium was sold

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Speaker 1: out with forty nine er people. And I do believe

572
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Speaker 1: not that Mark Davis told Josh McDaniels like you got

573
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Speaker 1: to win the game, but Greg basically said that the

574
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Speaker 1: Niners people thought like they were one hundred percent game planning.

575
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Speaker 1: Now I don't blame them because like that that means

576
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Speaker 1: a lot to the owner. You have a shitty season

577
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Speaker 1: and they kick their ass. But I do think Josh

578
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Speaker 1: is going to try to win. I really do, at

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Speaker 1: least early. Maybe if Mark tells them to tank come November.

580
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Speaker 1: But I have a hard time seeing you have the

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Speaker 1: top pick unless Jimmy gets hurt. But if ad O'Connell

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Speaker 1: is just serviceable, you know, I think you could win

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Speaker 1: some games. So I don't see any chance unless Brian

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Speaker 1: Lawyers starter for you to suck. I think you would

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Speaker 1: be better with Aidan O'Connell. Who knows. I mean, Aidan

586
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Speaker 1: O'Connell could be better in a couple years in Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's gonna be very, very difficult

588
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Speaker 1: for you to get one of those quarterbacks. Mail back question,

589
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Speaker 1: who's your pick to surprise us at quarterback this year?

590
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Speaker 1: There's always seems to be one big surprise. Gino hurts.

591
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones is gonna be a lot better

592
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Speaker 1: than you think. If high at the kid from Tennessee

593
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Speaker 1: is healthy and Darren Waller's healthy, I'm telling you I

594
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a much better season than everyone's

595
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Speaker 1: trying to take a big dump on him. Can you

596
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Speaker 1: explain why Kyle wouldn't play Tray as a gadget guy,

597
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Speaker 1: because we know what amazing things Kyle can do with

598
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Speaker 1: great athletes. Also, Arizona greater in California. I move too, thanks.

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Speaker 1: He's not athletic enough, I mean he's not part of

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Speaker 1: like Taysom Hill. And we can argue till we're blue

601
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Speaker 1: in the face. How dumb that will a lot of

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00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: the time because you had, you know, especially when Drew

603
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: Brees was better than he was at the end. Tasem

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Speaker 1: Hill is a big time athlete, I mean big time athlete.

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Speaker 1: He could really run. Trey doesn't run very fast. He honestly,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of slow, like I think Sam Darnold is

607
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Speaker 1: every bit as fast as them. So I think part

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Speaker 1: of what makes the trade thing kind of interesting is

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Speaker 1: that he's not a great athlete, so it's hard to

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Speaker 1: do random stuff with him like that. I get in

611
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Speaker 1: theory why you think that, but it just doesn't really work.

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Speaker 1: Listen and you talk about golf has got me and

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Speaker 1: my buddies into playing. We have a lot of fun,

614
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: but we freaking suck. Will it just take time to

615
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: get better or would lessons be worth it? I think

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Speaker 1: before you get like true lessons and pay one hundred bucks,

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Speaker 1: one hundred fifty bucks whatever for a Michael Block type

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Speaker 1: who lives in your area, I would say, do you

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Speaker 1: suck at driving the ball and you suck at chipping?

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Speaker 1: I would imagine those are two areas where you suck.

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Speaker 1: Pick one of them, whether it be chipping around the

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00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: green like fifty yards and end, or just be driving

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Speaker 1: and go to YouTube how to improve with the driver

624
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Speaker 1: and maybe you're hitting a slice, maybe you're hitting a hook,

625
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Speaker 1: So like type that in like a search engine, but

626
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: watch a YouTube video, watch a couple of those, and

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00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: then try to implement that at the driving range, and

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00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: maybe that will just help you get on the right path.

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Speaker 1: So I would try to just improve. If you could

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: just start hitting some fairways and just chip a little bit,

631
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: your game will dramatically improve where you can kind of

632
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: assess some shit. But I would say, if you just

633
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: started playing golf and you completely suck, which is very understandable,

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Speaker 1: I would just try to make some progress on your

635
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Speaker 1: own through YouTube, like you get pros teaching videos at

636
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: whatever you suck at and how you suck. So if

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Speaker 1: you're hitting hooks with your driver, say how to not

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Speaker 1: hook the ball with my driver, and then go practice

639
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Speaker 1: that and see if it can help you a little bit.

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00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Same with chipping. Those are two areas where it's start.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the drop in value of running backs

642
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Speaker 1: has also led to the drop in value for inside linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Growing up in the two thousands, I feel like the

644
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: NFL was stacked with elite inside linebackers Lewis Ray, Lewis, Arlackers, Zac,

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Speaker 1: Thomas London, Fletcher, Patrick Willis, Vilma, Yeah, and so on.

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Speaker 1: Now I feel like I can only name a few

647
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Speaker 1: elite middle linebackers, and most teams treat the position like, well,

648
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Speaker 1: you use a running back. Yeah, I think a lot

649
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Speaker 1: of it is because you have these hybrid safety guys

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Speaker 1: that undersize that could not have played back in the

651
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Speaker 1: Ray Lewis Arlacker days because teams are running it down

652
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Speaker 1: your throat. But if you're not really nervous about the run,

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Speaker 1: especially between the tackles, and a lot of stuff is

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Speaker 1: in space and you need the guy to be able

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Speaker 1: to cover the running back in space. If you don't

656
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: got Fred Warner or Rokuan, you typically have like some

657
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Speaker 1: hybrid type player, which kind of works in the NFL now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's been the changing of the

659
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Speaker 1: way the game is called on offense, much more spread,

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Speaker 1: much more shotgun, much more throwing the ball to the

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Speaker 1: running back. Well, I don't need between the tackles thumper

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Speaker 1: at linebacker, not that you know ray Lewis or or

663
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Speaker 1: or Lacker word. I mean, they could have played easily today.

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Speaker 1: They would have been the best player in the league,

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Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. So yeah, I think it.

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Speaker 1: I think it comes back to college. Well, there are

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Speaker 1: less development at linebacker because you're not playing between the tackles.

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00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: It's really just kind of run around, making open field tackles. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like, why do a lot of offensive linemen not

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Speaker 1: know how to pass protect with guys under center? Five

671
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Speaker 1: seven step drops? Because everything they coach up in college

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Speaker 1: spread offense in the shotgun. Not that you can't teach

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Speaker 1: some of those guys that, but it all gets down.

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Speaker 1: The talent comes up right in college football goes to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. No different schemes. What has been implemented in

676
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: the NFL a lot of spread offense concepts Kaepernick, the zone,

677
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: read the pistol like that it actually doesn't go the

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Speaker 1: other way. I can't speak like it feels like in

679
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Speaker 1: the NBA the three point shot filtered down, or in

680
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: football a lot of offense filters up. I mean, people

681
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: have been running spread offenses in high school football forever.

682
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: When think about, like, if you're my age in your

683
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: mid thirties, when we were kids, everything was a tight end,

684
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Speaker 1: a full back, a running back, and two wide receivers.

685
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: Who the fuck does that way anymore? Kyl Shannan probably

686
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Speaker 1: the only guy I had this thought early at work.

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00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: With all the college kids getting caught for illegal gambling

688
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and gambling on their sport, why don't we do something

689
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: more about this? I feel like as a not so

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Speaker 1: regular gamble gambler. We shouldn't allow getting on college betting

691
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Speaker 1: on college sports and make it illegal. These are eighteen

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Speaker 1: to twenty year old kids playing and most can't even

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00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: bet on themselves. Yeah, you shouldn't bet on your own

694
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: games because of fixing or ripped apart by grown ass

695
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: adults who couldn't make an uncontested three. But you can't

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Speaker 1: get into bed with these companies and tell the kids no.

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00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me not being able to bet to

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: get to the only casino in Wisconsin that allows sports betting,

699
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: who won't take any in state bets very often. But

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Speaker 1: I think the fix for this is to stop college gambling.

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Speaker 1: It's not happening, zero Champs. The number one bet sport

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Speaker 1: is the NFL. The number two bet sport in America

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Speaker 1: is college Like these companies want them to bet on

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Speaker 1: college football. Like, that's just I want to bet on

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00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: college football. It's pretty simple. You're just not allowed to

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Speaker 1: bet right once in the NFL, you can't bet on

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Speaker 1: the NFL. You can't bet on college football. Now, you

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00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: could argue these guys in the pros are benefiting off

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Speaker 1: that money in college I could be wrong. But like,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Wisconsin fan, is Wisconsin in bed with

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Speaker 1: DraftKings and stuff? Because I don't think they are. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone. Now they indirectly benefit because they pay

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Speaker 1: these networks who pay for the games, but the college

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Speaker 1: just directly like the NFL DraftKings fan duel, all these companies,

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: ESPN bet it's all interwoven the NFL. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like it's the same way with college. The other thing

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00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: in college, like you can make money now it's is

718
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: it totally fair? No, But I'll promise you this under

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Speaker 1: no circumstances or any of these casinos allowing that to happen.

720
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Speaker 1: And listen, I maybe I'm a hypocritic or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it needs to happen. A lot of

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Speaker 1: it was these Iowa and Iowa state guys. Listen, people

723
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: have always bet on themselves. Just now you're gonna get

724
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: caught because of the Internet and they can track you.

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00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: These kids aren't alone. This this has been happening forever.

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Pete Rose wasn't alone, the Black Socks weren't alone. It

727
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Speaker 1: might have happened all the time, especially with less money,

728
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Speaker 1: and it's definitely happened in college forever. If you watch

729
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Speaker 1: the one untold on Netflix about the dude from Arizona

730
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Speaker 1: State in like I think, the early mid nineties, he

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Speaker 1: was like a score betting NonStop. You mentioned the NFL

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Speaker 1: would like a new ownership for its Desert teams. As

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Speaker 1: a fan of both the Cardinals and the Raiders, I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering if you could foresee the possibility of an ownership

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Speaker 1: group approaching Davis or Bidwell making an offer too good

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Speaker 1: for either owner to refuse. The most powerful thing about

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Speaker 1: owning any profitable business is your whole life is a

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Speaker 1: tax break. So even if you think about this, if

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Speaker 1: you have a business, especially as profitable as the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: or the Raiders, it makes no sense unless the guy

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Speaker 1: offered you twenty billion dollars. Even if the guy offered

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Speaker 1: Mark Davis ten billion dollars for the Raiders, his life

743
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: is way easier to operate. One, he stays in the

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00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: public eye, he stays famous, he gets to maintain being

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00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: run an NFL team. And two, his whole life is

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Speaker 1: financed through that team and he profits from the business.

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Speaker 1: The moment I give you ten billion, I gotta pay

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Speaker 1: taxes on that money, right, So it's it's actually more

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Speaker 1: profitable to keep the team. Think of all these guys

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Speaker 1: selling teams. The last couple guys the Panthers and the

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00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: uh who just recently sold the Panthers. Who's the other

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00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: in Washington? Either guy wanted to sold, they got forced out.

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Speaker 1: You don't sell profitable businesses, especially one like the NFL

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Speaker 1: where you make money. I get sometimes older people if

755
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: it's if it's really labor intensive. But if a business,

756
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't care what industry you're in. It could be

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00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: car dealerships, it could be restaurants, it could be the NFL.

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Speaker 1: If that thing is making coin and you don't have

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00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: to do much, you know, especially in a public business

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Speaker 1: like the NFL, you don't sell. So no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible. Mark Davis has said, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I've never really seen Bidwell's comments, but Mark

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Speaker 1: Davis been adamant he's never selling. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I would one would not sell. You were richer owning

765
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Speaker 1: the team in more ways than one. If the Jets

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Speaker 1: had drafted Justin Fields, do you think the Rogers You

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Speaker 1: think that Aaron Rodgers would have ended up a Jet.

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Speaker 1: It's a hell of a question. It's a hell of

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Speaker 1: a question. I I don't know, because last year, even

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Speaker 1: if he was running around like he was running now

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Speaker 1: clearly he was, would they have won more games with

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Speaker 1: him playing like that? Do they get to nine wins?

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Speaker 1: Do they go after Rogers with? Probably not. Let's just

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Speaker 1: assume if Justin Fields had been on the Jets last year,

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Speaker 1: they win nine games. Now, that wouldn't have got you

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs in the AFC, but there would have

777
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: been so much positive momentum, and he's way cheaper, and

778
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: if they would have drafted and meant they liked him,

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: probably not a huge reason is the Jets went all

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Speaker 1: in on Rogers, right, I mean they hire Nick Hackett.

781
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: Clearly they need a quarterback because their other guy like

782
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: is getting benched all season long, on and off. So

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong because you never know. Maybe, you know,

784
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Speaker 1: if I assume that they win, they go above five hundred,

785
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Speaker 1: even if they missed the playoffs, I don't think they

786
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Speaker 1: get Rogers if they go seven and ten, and the

787
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: question marks with his passing, maybe there's still a chance.

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Speaker 1: Love the party, you can relate to me, the audience,

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Speaker 1: the player's point of view, and the business side while

790
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: maintaining a neutral stance, appreciate that my question is about

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Speaker 1: sports ownership, with the sale of teams now being a

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Speaker 1: group purchases. Even the Broncos sold to the heirs, not

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Speaker 1: just one individual. Do you think the group that's not

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Speaker 1: quite how it happened, Oh oh, sold to the air

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Speaker 1: Oh I got you, I got you. Do you think

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Speaker 1: the group owners both present and future will have the

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00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: same gophert mentalit say, Jerry Jones or Kronkey. They can

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Speaker 1: take a phone call on a tarmac for Matt Stafford Trades,

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Speaker 1: whereas my guest is folks like Greg Penner and Josh

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Speaker 1: Harris might have to do a hybrid green Bay where

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Speaker 1: they discuss with other stakeholders. Well, let me just go

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00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: to Penner. Penner is the nephew of the Walmart guy.

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00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: So the Walmart guy basically is so rich that he

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Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to deal with the day to day bullshit.

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00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: But clearly they got an open checkbook, closing deals, doing

806
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: whatever they need to do. So I would imagine Penner

807
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: anyone who's ever been a power around a powerful family.

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00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: There are people that have that. Some other people beside

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Speaker 1: the head honcho, are trusted to make major decisions. So

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Speaker 1: I think Penner is a bad example because I think Penner,

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Speaker 1: with the blessing of like the family, is allowed to

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Speaker 1: pull the trigger. He doesn't have to like constantly answer

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Speaker 1: to Logan Roy. That would be my guess. Now obviously,

814
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Speaker 1: like to's raided Russell Wilson or whatever, they're going to

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Speaker 1: get the dad. So yeah, I get maybe back to

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Speaker 1: your point, but why would you even call Greg Penner?

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00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Then you know, if you have to do something, give

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00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: a Sean Payton, you just call the top whoever is

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Speaker 1: the highest guy in the food chain. There's only one

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: decision maker an NFL team. There's never a group, right,

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Speaker 1: So Josh Harris, I could be wrong. I haven't read

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Speaker 1: like once he bought the team, I didn't read that

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00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: many articles about the hierarchy of the way it's built.

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Speaker 1: But isn't he the top guy in the food chain?

825
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Like there can be minority owners, only one guy in

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Speaker 1: the NFL gets to make the decision. Jeffrey Lurie with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles has minority owners. Mark Davis has minority owners.

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Speaker 1: They have zero say, they profit, and they get suites

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Speaker 1: of games and they can travel with the team and

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Speaker 1: go in the draft room. They have no say on

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Speaker 1: whether the coach is fired or not. Hell, Dan Snyder

832
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Speaker 1: had minority owners. Remember they were always bitching an owner

833
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: he could do whatever he wanted. Why so Greg Penner

834
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Speaker 1: is more unique than Harris because Harris is technically the owner.

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00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: Penner is like the CEO, but he's the family. But

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Speaker 1: if he didn't have decision making power, here's a good

837
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: business lesson to any young person listening to this. Find

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00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: the people that make the decisions. And if you can't

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Speaker 1: find the person to get to make decisions, find the

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Speaker 1: person that has the gatekeeper to get the decision maker.

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00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: So there's always one decision maker. So instead of if

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Speaker 1: Greg Penner's not you would just call the other guy

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00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: on the tarmac. Now it's much easier when it's Jerry Jones,

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00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: Dan Cronke, right, Jimmy Haslam. It's very clear cut and dry.

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Speaker 1: John Mara, Jeffrey Lurie, Bob Kraft, Like, can Jonathan Craft

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Speaker 1: make a decision or does does he got to go

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00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: through Bob? Honestly, it just the NFL is way bigger

848
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: and there's way more money. But don't a lot of

849
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: businesses kind of operate like that? Like there are several guys,

850
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: but only one guy can really pull the trigger on

851
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: a massive move. The NFL likes individuals to be at

852
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: the high at the top of the hierarchy, because like

853
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: when they have league meetings, they don't want every team's

854
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: not represented by ten guys in the meeting. I'm a

855
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: Bears fan living in Green Bay, so I'm always tuned

856
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: into both teams almost equally, and after watching the Packers

857
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: preseason game with Jordan Love, the game plan was essentially

858
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: identical to what the Bears did with Trubisky bootleg after bootleg.

859
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Because they knew he couldn't play, the Packers left let

860
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: Clifford throw the ball downfield and open it up the

861
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: playbook more than him not being a hater, because our

862
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks still has some major question marks. But based on

863
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: what I've seen an other Packer fans reaction, I think

864
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Love is closer to Trubisky than being a third straight

865
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback the chances. Honestly, did Jordan Love even I haven't.

866
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I haven't watched. I saw a couple highlights,

867
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: have not watched the Packers preseason game, but I said

868
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: this the moment they traded Aaron Rodgers, it was over.

869
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: You could be playing in football Heaven right now with

870
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh as your offensive coordinator. Bill Parcell's your defensive coordinator,

871
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: and one of the roomies is your owner. You ain't

872
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: going back to back to back far of Rogers, whoever

873
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: I said it before. To go from Montana to Young

874
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: to Jeff Garcia, it's fucking outrageous. I mean, Garcia went

875
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: to several Pro Bowls. That was an incredible transition to

876
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: think like this guy if he ever, if this guy

877
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: just became like Jimmy Garoppolo, that would be a home run.

878
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: It's why Belichick would have got a lot of credit

879
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: if you would have transitioned from just Brady to Garoppolo.

880
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: But obviously Jimmy was gone and they were screwed. But

881
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: the chances of this guy is good. The league would

882
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: tell you over and over he's not right. Just the

883
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: history of quarterbacks, especially guys you know draft in the twenties,

884
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: most of them. I bet the hit percentage on a

885
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: guy draft that I think it will pick twenty seven.

886
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: The offense, though, I will say this, here's the thing,

887
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: Like Trey Lance the other day in the in the

888
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: preseason game. The only reason he started complete a couple

889
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: of passes because they started doing the bootleg plays. Well,

890
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: that's a huge part of the Packers offense, right, those

891
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: naked bootlegs that are just a one read, jump it

892
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: off to the guy that is the offense honestly, So

893
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: if he can do that, I've said over and over,

894
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: if he can just function, Trubisky's ultimate downfall was bad

895
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: instincts and no touch. So if Love has bad instincts

896
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: and touches a question, then maybe you're right. He's just

897
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: going to be a bad player because you can't run

898
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: the bootlegs all game long. But Love like Trubisky pretty

899
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: powerful arm. But if he doesn't know where he's going,

900
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: who cares. I've said this over and over. Definitely said

901
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: it last couple days, the moment he signed that contract,

902
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: after I thought about it for a while. No quarterback,

903
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: if they think they have a chance to be decent, decent,

904
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: signs a two year contract for eleven million dollars, No

905
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: fucking chance. Look at Daniel Jones played out the season,

906
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: got eighty million dollars. Jimmy Garoppolo hurt year after year

907
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: after year after year, got three year seventy million dollars

908
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: like thirty plus guaranteed you just if you're just functional

909
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you can get some money, especially if you're

910
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: young and they drafted you. I think that told a lot.

911
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I think the agent, him and the team all kind

912
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: of knew this is probably not gonna work. Not a

913
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Rams fan, but I don't hear much talk about Stetson

914
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: Bennett taking over for Stafford after his time in LA

915
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: is over. Do you think it could be the future

916
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: longtime quarterback for the Rams or do you think the

917
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Rams should look to draft a quarterback in twenty twenty four. Well,

918
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: if Stafford gets injured, I think they would lose a

919
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: ton of games with Stetson Bennett. And I'm not trying

920
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: to be some Stetson Bennett hater though, not the biggest

921
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: fan of the guy. You know, he just seems a

922
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: little too angry for me. It's just something about him.

923
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be wrong, but I'm just

924
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan. I think they would suck.

925
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: I've said over and over that if they get a

926
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: couple of injuries, they got number one pick written all over,

927
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: they could be terrible. And then I don't care what

928
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: Stetson bened did. They would draft one of those quarterbacks,

929
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: and I think they will be in the mix when

930
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: all of said and done. Not sure if you were

931
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: able to watch the Packers Bengals game, but watching their

932
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: fifth round pick Sean Clifford, I think he had a

933
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: good show. But I think it was good enough that

934
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: if Love starts struggling, fans and some media are going

935
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: to start calling for him to get the job as

936
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: the starter. Am I just seeing something that isn't there

937
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: or better than we thought? I was sitting at my

938
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: mom's house. What day would this event? Monday afternoon, Monday night,

939
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: and the game was on replay and Clifford was in

940
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: the game, and I had listened to Lombardi's pod on

941
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: the drive down from Tahoe and he had been talking

942
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: about even though he threw a couple of picks and

943
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the one pick I saw got tipped, he was very impressed.

944
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: And clearly there have been a lot of reports out

945
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: of Packers at camp that Clifford, who I think most

946
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: anyone that falls the Big Tan or Penn State, was like, God,

947
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: that guy sucks. Maybe it's Penn State. Clearly they like

948
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: him a lot once you're liked by these coaches in

949
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: the Shanahan offense, they will find ways to get you

950
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: in the mix because in their mind they can scheme

951
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: you up easy plays. And then if you have some instincts,

952
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: you have to have instincts to play quarterback. So if

953
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, and when I mean instincts, I mean I

954
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: said this yesterday with Trey Lance, like he just doesn't

955
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: feel like a quarterback when you watch him, watch him play,

956
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: there's like a tension to his body. I don't see

957
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: the calmness. There's just a calmness to a guy's feet.

958
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Watching O'Connell, the Purdue quarterback for the Raiders, he just

959
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: he looked like a quarterback and then there was a touch,

960
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: there was a rhythm when he went through his progressions.

961
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: And clearly Clifford they feel like he has that. I

962
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: saw it last year with Purty that these guys now

963
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: perty they didn't like. The only reason he played is

964
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: because of injuries. And like you said, the Love situation,

965
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: if Love was shitty, I could see them going to

966
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: the bullpen because they like Love. They drafted this kid

967
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: as well, and clearly he's having a really good camp

968
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: and they got some talent around him that maybe they

969
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: view him as like their Kirk cousins. That's, by the way,

970
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: all these guys think. All these guys have been around

971
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan resurrected in an MVP, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins,

972
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: like they've all seen this shit, so that they are

973
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: Andy Reid was around far of in his prime, and

974
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: Andy likes to throw bombs like that's what he wants,

975
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: what he kind of yearns for, right. Sean McDermott, why

976
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: do you go after Josh Allen? He was there for

977
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: a long time in Philadelphia with Donovan McNabb, this freak

978
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: athlete who wasn't always the biggest, most accurate quarterback, but

979
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: it was really good. He's like, let's swing for the fences.

980
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: When you're in the initial state of your football life,

981
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: whether it's a coach or a GM, that shapes the

982
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: way you view football. Now, we all view in any

983
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: industry as we grow old. We all have our own

984
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: preferences and our own thoughts, and they may change and grow,

985
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: but we all most human beings. Right Like I'm seeing

986
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: my little brother raise a child right now, three and

987
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: a half years old. He's a wild child, but They're

988
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: just basic things that you teach him. Right, shake people's hand,

989
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: look people in the eye, say I'm sorry. Right, clean

990
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: up your messes. Uh, don't cry hey for no reason, Smile,

991
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: be a good kid, be nice to other people, share right,

992
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: and those things hopefully stick and they build the base

993
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: of you as a human being as time goes on.

994
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: It's no different as football, right. I was around Pat

995
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Hill and Andy Reid like I like taking some huge

996
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: flyers on guys. They did in President State, definitely did

997
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: in Philly. I like high end talents. It might have

998
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: some issues, doesn't bother me as much, especially if I

999
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: got a good coach. The Shanahan crew all has this,

1000
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: like they've seen it with guys that aren't that talented

1001
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: at least the rest of the league, like Kirk Cousins.

1002
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Wait, Matt Ryan's gonna turn into

1003
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: fucking some star dominated the league. Jared Goff Remember Jared

1004
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Goff's rookie year. He was a laughing stock, I mean

1005
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: an absolutely laughingstock. Well, who Sean McVay bring with him? Lafleur.

1006
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: It was his quarterback coach, and that's what we brought

1007
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: with him to the Rams. She saw firsthand guy like

1008
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, so that they view these Sean Cliffers, these

1009
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: rock parties. Greg Poppa was saying that the Shanahan and

1010
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: de Greasy liked uh O'Connell. Obviously Josh McDaniels does too.

1011
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: What is Josh McDaniel's like Hoyer, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mac Jones

1012
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: some of these like not every coach views players the same.

1013
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: It's like not every scout views players the same. So yeah,

1014
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: it's a long winded way of saying. I would imagine

1015
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Laflour like fucking Sean Clifford in college, definitely likes him

1016
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: more now. So they are not financially tied at all

1017
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: to Jordan Love. We've been talking about this with Trey Lance.

1018
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: It's a put up or shut up league, and especially

1019
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: when you don't like Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young and CJ.

1020
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Like they got long contracts, They got a couple of

1021
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: years to just see if you can play you know

1022
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: whoever with thirty five forty fifty starts right, but if

1023
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: it can't, like they'll eventually be moved on. Jordan's already

1024
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: going into what you're four Seark Clifford the most powerful

1025
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: thing would be if he's actually solid, if he could

1026
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: just be like, what if he's just Jimmy Garoppolo in

1027
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: a couple of years or Kirk Cousins. Shit, he's on

1028
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: a cheap contract. What is he a fifth round pick?

1029
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: Be the like, uh pick of the draft if he

1030
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: becomes your starter. So yeah, I think a lot of

1031
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: these random quarterbacks Bullpen Baby Bullpen, Mac Jones, Justin Fields,

1032
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: brock Purty that this league is going ninety five miles

1033
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: an hour now the day and age of like, just

1034
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: give this guy like four years, see what he gots.

1035
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: Too much money is on the line, too much. All

1036
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: these owners have cash. None of them feel obligated anymore

1037
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: to like, well, we gotta see how this goes to

1038
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: why we get all these one and done coaches. They

1039
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: have an unlimited amount of money. This guy's fucking vacation

1040
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: on yachts just run. Just wondering why the commander's offense

1041
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: is being so underrated this offseason. I feel like being

1042
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: a me tough coaching will make how we'll have a

1043
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: sophomore jump. Well, he's never really played, so it'll just

1044
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: be first your plan, especially with great wide receiver room.

1045
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: Colin undervalues them, consistently, drives them nuts, drives me nuts.

1046
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day. Is the moment

1047
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: that the Ron rivera stuff. It's gotten weird? Early I said,

1048
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: what the Commanders had a chance to be a shock

1049
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: team just because they had some talent. Maybe the giants

1050
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: come back to Earth and then I see Darren Wallers healthy,

1051
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: the Tennessee rookie like Saquon's in camp, got a good mindset.

1052
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: And you guys, your head coach and your offensive coordinator

1053
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: are having to like apologize to each other. I don't know, man,

1054
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I just too much smoke to not be a little

1055
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: fire in there. I'm just against you. All you guys

1056
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Speaker 1: know is dysfunction. It's very hard to overcome dysfunction. And

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Speaker 1: if they are I'll tip my hat into an incredible accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: But the enemy thing has got to a weird start. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last question you mentioned you would give the tiebreaker to

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Speaker 1: Donald over Lance if they are tied for the backup spot.

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Speaker 1: This is before the preseason game. This question. I understand

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00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: Donald has the real game experience, but on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: Lance still has more room to improve, where Donald is

1064
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Speaker 1: likely more maxed out wouldn't you want to go with upside?

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Speaker 1: The forty nine ers think Donald has a lot upside.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old. They think, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what currently they think after that performance of Trey Lance.

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Speaker 1: They don't have time to figure it out. Like they

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00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: know Sam Donald can just do some stuff. There's a

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Speaker 1: chance Trey can't do any of it. And I'd argue,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be able to. They

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Speaker 1: are trying. They are not the Colts and just cool

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Speaker 1: with winning four games and being a disaster. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to be the number one seed, trying to compete with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles and the Cowboys to win the NFC. Their

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: goals are in a different world than all these other teams.

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Speaker 1: The only place Trey Lance makes sense is on a

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Speaker 1: team that does not give a shit. You know the problem?

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Speaker 1: Name me a team Trey Lance would start on right now.

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Speaker 1: There's just is not a team in the NFL he

1081
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: would start off. I guess maybe the Arizona Cardinals. But

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: is he better than Colt McCoy. Probably not, But like,

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00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: would they just start him? But what's the point of

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: them having him when Kyle's coming back? Maybe Atlanta I'm

1085
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: not a huge Desmond Renter fan, but like, just go

1086
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: around the league, Saints, Colts. You just start firing around Houston.

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Speaker 1: There's no spots commanders maybe, but like they're trying to win?

1088
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: Are they messing with him? So yeah, I just shitty

1089
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: variables that haven't gone his way. Bad luck. You've mentioned

1090
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Speaker 1: that tight ends bring great value for their price, especially Kelsey,

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Speaker 1: Kittle and Andrews. I agree with you, with the market

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: paying what players are worth. Shouldn't we see elite tight

1093
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: ends paid up near wide receiver numbers? Is it just

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: that no elite tight end has hit the market in

1095
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: free agency? If Mark Andrews hit free agency, do you

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Speaker 1: think you would get twenty million? If Kelsey Kittle, Mark Andrews,

1097
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Speaker 1: Waller off a good season hit free agency, they would

1098
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Speaker 1: get a massive amount of money. The problem is a

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Speaker 1: lot of those guys you listed right. Kittle was a

1100
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Speaker 1: fifth round pick, Andrews definitely wasn't a first because they

1101
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Speaker 1: drafted Hayden Hurst war round. Was he third round? Fourth round?

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Speaker 1: Kelsey obviously third round. So these teams come to you

1103
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Speaker 1: after you become a really good player and they offer

1104
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: you an extension which is worth so much money relative

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Speaker 1: to what you've been making. It's hard to not put

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Speaker 1: pen to paper when someone looks at you and like,

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Speaker 1: you've been making nine hundred grand, you know, and you've

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Speaker 1: made two and a half million dollars in your NFL career,

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00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: and they say, here's a contract that guarantees you thirty

1110
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Speaker 1: five million. You know, we love you. The overall values

1111
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: were sixty eight or seventy five. You're gonna see every

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Speaker 1: penny like Kittle did not His contract was like five years,

1113
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Speaker 1: seventy five million. I don't know what was guaranteed, like

1114
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Speaker 1: thirty he's gonna see every penny of it. How does

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Speaker 1: he not sign the contract? And guess what they do

1116
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Speaker 1: all the time. So those guys, it's impossible for them

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Speaker 1: ever to get there, and then the guys that do

1118
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Speaker 1: are always really flawed players like a Guesseki or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the high end guys could ever hit it, that they

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Speaker 1: would get it, but it just they're never going to

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Speaker 1: hit it because a lot of the high end guys,

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Speaker 1: at least recently have been non first round picks. And

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Speaker 1: you offer them amount of money that just is it's

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Speaker 1: impossible for them to not sign. I remember living in

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Cole Hammil's was about to be going into

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Speaker 1: his free agent year, and the Phillies obviously wanted to

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Speaker 1: sign him before he hit his free agent year. It's like,

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Speaker 1: could he make like one hundred and fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: It's like it. I think he ended up signing for

1130
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million dollars. I remember a guy

1131
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Speaker 1: in the radio was like, name me a human being

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Speaker 1: that when you and this was you know whatever, twelve

1133
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Speaker 1: years ago. When you slide the paper over and this

1134
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Speaker 1: says one hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed and here's

1135
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Speaker 1: the pen, you say, no, I'll play this thing out.

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Speaker 1: It's usually not how it works. It's actually never how

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Speaker 1: it work. So when you hit a certain price point,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what player you are, unless Scott Boris

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Speaker 1: is your client and you know you're Bryce Harper and

1140
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Speaker 1: you play it out. Most people sign the contract. Most

1141
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Speaker 1: people sign the contract. Baseball's pretty unique, right like Otani

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Speaker 1: right now, there's probably no amount of money that the

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Speaker 1: Angels could throw over to him that he'd sign. But football,

1144
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Speaker 1: and in basketball, like when you offer the now, Basketball

1145
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Speaker 1: has those max extensions that are set right I don't

1146
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Speaker 1: think James Harden's never had an agent because he doesn't

1147
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: need one. Just now he does. Now it's getting ugly,

1148
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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna waste my breath on James Harden. Okay, audios, godspeed,

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Speaker 1: and talk to everyone soon. We'll have another podcast out tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: See it the volume