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Speaker 1: I'm surprised I've made it anywhere in the last four

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about your batcave bathroom?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am, because I added something to it that

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Speaker 3: The heck is a smart toilet jealous jealous and it

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Speaker 3: opens up auto like when did you go?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it like sprays out this like beautiful scent and

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Speaker 4: Beday yes, yeah, yeah, which I've never used before.

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Speaker 5: Which one did you get?

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Speaker 4: We talked about this because you went shopping for them

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Speaker 4: you said, there were Yeah, they were really expensive. You

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Speaker 4: found one that tickles your fancy price wise Yeah, literally.

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Speaker 6: Three words for you, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Costco great, So they had it for like an eighth

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Speaker 6: It's a Cohler. It's beautiful. I had it installed and

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Speaker 6: Like right up the old nether regions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it does have a seat heater too, uh tars

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Speaker 4: Believe, hey, you saw how excited I got when we

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Speaker 4: I was like why right before we were taking off

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Speaker 5: All right, I would need three, so that's six thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: Will It was like, you're the only person I know

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Speaker 6: And I got it.

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Speaker 1: I got it installed, and it is other than playing

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Speaker 6: It does everything else. It's awf it.

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Speaker 7: Should just tell you that.

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Speaker 6: It shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you lost some weight.

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Speaker 7: Just left me.

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Speaker 5: Wait did someone from Costco install it?

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Speaker 6: No, no, I have I have a plumber.

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Speaker 6: But his name's Tom Tom.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know, Tom Tom. You've stolen Tom from.

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Speaker 6: You you have, so he came.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is you have to have

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Speaker 6: The electrician come in and put in a plug. So

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Speaker 6: Mercy, so it's worth it.

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Speaker 5: You watched Full House last night?

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Speaker 6: Right again?

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Speaker 7: Again?

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Speaker 6: You're in?

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Speaker 4: You're in?

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Speaker 2: Yes, started we started like because it's always a battle.

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Speaker 2: and the show is way better than that Christmas episode.

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Speaker 2: Bob Saggat, I know he was a very funny person,

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Speaker 2: And that's why people act the way they do. That's

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Speaker 4: The theory about Boy Meets World is that it's from

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Speaker 2: Right, And so that's why full House opens the opening

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Speaker 1: Well as we're also going back on this, this journey

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Speaker 7: Get a laugh.

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Speaker 2: It was dual screen. You just said a thing and

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Speaker 2: And like the idea of nuance like you can't you

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Speaker 7: Like everybody can.

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Speaker 6: And still have an awesome time.

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Speaker 6: A sitcom musical, I don't mean a single episode.

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Speaker 1: I mean like an actual sitcom that is also I

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Speaker 6: It was a single single cam too.

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Speaker 8: You know what there was one guys, got my crazy

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Speaker 2: Wild I'm Danielle of Fishal, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm

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Speaker 4: When it comes to new rewatch podcast announcements, we are

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Speaker 5: Framed as a show set in twenty.

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Speaker 4: our pals the Office Ladies Network, they're experiencing feelings strikingly

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Speaker 4: So this week on pod Meets World, it's sitcom Royalty

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Speaker 10: Hello, hey, well hello, hello, join, Hi guys, how are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing okay, how are you guys? Craig Thomas should

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Speaker 7: Hey everybody?

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Speaker 4: Great, Hi, I have to move my chat when out

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Speaker 4: of the way. It was just blocking both of your face.

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Speaker 7: And it's good. It's going to meet you guys.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, nice to meet you. We are so happy you're

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Speaker 4: joining us. When we see other people on a similar

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Speaker 1: What we've seen up top, you know, because most people

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: So you just want to share some oxygen tanks on

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Speaker 10: Yeah do it.

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Speaker 9: You guys paved the way for this whole thing. You

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Speaker 9: were so early to the rewatch party. You guys are like,

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Speaker 7: Thank you guys for.

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Speaker 4: And we all all of the paving to office ladies,

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Speaker 4: so you know, they were they were the first, and

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Speaker 7: Right in there. I thought you were before them. Actually

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Speaker 6: In our minds, we were Craig, that's really all we

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Speaker 2: We did all the No, we had the idea before

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's been and here we are the

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Speaker 4: That's the innovation is not what sells it.

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Speaker 5: It's chemistry.

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Speaker 4: And we can talk about all that later, But what

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Speaker 8: Well, for me, I think that the uh it started

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Speaker 8: And it's been a delight. It's been really cool.

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Speaker 1: The notes will go away, The notes will go away,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for two of the people on this podcast, the

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Speaker 7: Oh rightsick exactly.

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Speaker 1: The best thing writer and I ever did was sit

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Speaker 7: Was great.

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Speaker 4: What about you, Craig when you got the call, did

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Speaker 9: goes to Jordana. Like Jordana and Josh's wife was like,

444
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 9: I need to know this part of your life.

445
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 7: And I love that it came from that.

446
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 9: It came from this really pure place of like I

447
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 9: married you, I want to know this thing you did

448
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 9: for a decade of your life, right, And I so

449
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 9: understand what Josh was saying that he was so happy

450
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 9: that he met somebody who hadn't seen the show and

451
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 9: had all this preconceived stuff. I see all of you

452
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 9: nodding right now. All of you guys like must have

453
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 9: had that thought in your life at different times, Like

454
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 9: if I'm meeting somebody, are they thinking they already know

455
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 9: me because they've seen me on TV for the better

456
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 9: part of a decade.

457
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 4: Or all three of us married somebody who had never

458
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 4: seen the show.

459
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 6: General.

460
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 4: My husband had like maybe been aware of two episodes

461
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 4: but was not did not watch the show.

462
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 5: Will's wife Susan.

463
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: Had never Yeah she did, she saw him all because

464
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: So my stepdaughter was eleven when I met her, who's

465
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 1: now you know, has my grandchild, so as is you know,

466
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: much much older. It's been twenty five years. But she

467
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: when she was eleven would run home and watch Boy

468
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: Meets World. That I would cry when she would miss

469
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: Boymets World. So no, with what you're saying, it's exactly

470
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: having that into the show is exactly how we started.

471
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 6: Because Ryder had never seen Boy Meets World. Yeah, yeah,

472
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 6: so he was on.

473
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: The show but never actually saw any of the episodes.

474
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: So that was our same kind of thing. It was

475
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: a singer conventions and riders like I should probably watch

476
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: this show that I was.

477
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 2: All the fans kept saying stuff to me or asking

478
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: for quotes, and I was like, I have no idea

479
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: what you're talking.

480
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 7: I've been to me so much.

481
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 8: People come up with a very specific gag or bit

482
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 8: or line and I'm and I look at them like

483
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 8: I wish I could participate in this. I just haven't

484
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 8: seen this in twenty years if I even saw it

485
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 8: to begin with, right, I will say that there's there's

486
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 8: there's light and dark, There's there's ups and downs to everything.

487
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 8: And one of the things I really loved about being

488
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 8: on a show that had such a big global reach

489
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 8: was it does make the world seem smaller in a

490
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 8: really sweet way. Like I'm sure you guys have had

491
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 8: the experience, like you go to a foreign country and

492
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 8: you're like, what are we doing this foreign country? And

493
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 8: they're like, come with us to a flamenco show people

494
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 8: we know from TV, you know, and you're like, oh,

495
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 8: this is like my face is like this weird social passport.

496
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Speaker 3: You know.

497
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 7: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 8: Yeah, But then when you're when you're talking about like

499
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 8: being a life partner, it can get actually tricky if

500
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 8: they think they're with a person that was on a

501
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 8: character that is not you sure, it's really tricky.

502
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
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Speaker 9: I find that fascinating. And it's interesting that you guys,

504
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 9: right right, you have you had that too. I feel

505
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 9: like you had an answer loaded up to where your

506
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 9: partner had not seen the show ever.

507
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 7: Either. I was who I needed her.

508
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: I like, I couldn't date somebody if they were like

509
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: a fan of Ian. Now's weird, honestly, like what it

510
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: was just in my twenties, like the idea because like

511
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: I met my wife when I was twenty six, like

512
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: before that, if I met anybody, because I was only

513
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: ten years out from the starting the show, Like it

514
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: was just too close, Like I need so everybody I

515
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: dated was older than me and had never heard a

516
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: boy meet's world.

517
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 7: It was. That's so funny and I totally get it.

518
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, that's really that's really interesting, and it's it

519
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 9: is weird looking back on some on stuff we did

520
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 9: twenty years ago. I can only imagine for you guys,

521
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 9: since you started off as as kids and as teenagers

522
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 9: and stuff.

523
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 7: It's even that's a whole other layer.

524
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 9: But Josh and I are looking back and some stuff

525
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 9: we vividly remember, and some stuff we it's like this

526
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 9: insane amnesia has happened. We were like, I forgot the

527
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 9: entire BT story of that episode.

528
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's better than the A story.

529
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 9: It's actually the best part of the episode is the thing.

530
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: I forgot about and that chle Shane.

531
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: Memories are the fun ones where one person will remember

532
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: one thing which then leads you down a path of

533
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh my.

534
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: God, I totally forgot about this.

535
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then next thing, you know, it's something that

536
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes that nobody else would remember remember.

537
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are the best ones.

538
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 8: Or you kind of I like get like when you

539
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 8: get the story wrong, you're like, oh I remember it,

540
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 8: and they're like no, no, no, that actually totally sourcing memory.

541
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 8: It's cool to crowdsource memories because you're our own memories

542
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 8: are so fallible, right, you know, I want.

543
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: To I want to get into the weeds for a moment, Like,

544
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: because you guys were a hybrid show, correct, Like you

545
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: didn't shoot so did you not have an audience show

546
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: at all?

547
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 7: Never was we didn't have an audience show.

548
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: So changed your experience of this because like for us,

549
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: we still remember like tape night it was like a

550
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: big deal. But so then what I would love to

551
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: know what your actual schedule was, Like, do you still

552
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: do like run throughs? You still had like a regular

553
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: sitcom schedule outside of that, or.

554
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 8: I feel like our schedule upsets other actors.

555
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what show. I can't wait.

556
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 8: So you guys are probably a little so Monday, we'd

557
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 8: come in around ten Craig for a table reading. Sitting

558
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 8: around the table, writers gathered around, you know, the exact

559
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 8: sent we'd go away. We'd go away at ten forty

560
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 8: five eleven, go away for the rest of the day.

561
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 8: Then not the right the writers would stick around notes.

562
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh, so you guys Monday was it was a day

563
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: off after the table read.

564
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 6: Yes, oh from the get go.

565
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, always always, but they were always there. We took

566
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 7: the last.

567
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 6: Two or three years we had the Friday off after

568
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Speaker 6: table read.

569
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Speaker 10: So that was your tape night was Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday, okay, okay, yeah,

570
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 10: so Craig and the writers would stick around and then

571
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 10: do a rewrite until and then we'd know how long

572
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 10: the rewrite lasted based on when we got the script

573
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Speaker 10: and in our email.

574
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Speaker 8: And then we'd come in Tuesday around nine am. We'd

575
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 8: read through the new draft. We'd rehearse Pam frime and

576
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 8: our director would put it on a on its feet,

577
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 8: and then around noon twelve thirty maybe we.

578
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Speaker 9: Do like that, maybe one maybe one early yeah, yeah, we.

579
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Speaker 8: Would just we would just rehearse for like two hours.

580
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Speaker 2: We have school for three hours, so we had school

581
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Speaker 2: for three hours. Yes, that's totally different day like our

582
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: run through would be like we're people.

583
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm you're thirty. The school thing is.

584
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 7: So much easier.

585
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 8: Yeah.

586
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 7: But then we would uh, then we'd go away.

587
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 8: We'd go I was getting my PhD at the time.

588
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 8: We would go away until until the next day, and

589
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 8: then Craig and the writers would then stay work.

590
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Speaker 7: All night, work all night.

591
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and then we would tape. We would block

592
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 8: and shoot Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. But you obviously didn't have

593
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 8: to be there, like if there was a big you know,

594
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 8: let's say New York shoot that you weren't in, you

595
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 8: would go home. So and then did you guys do

596
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 8: three weeks on one week off?

597
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

598
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: Mean you had three days of taping.

599
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 7: We did three days of you didn't have a second.

600
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Speaker 5: Run, one day of rehearsal.

601
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, one day rehearsal on three day taping.

602
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

603
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 6: Right from the start. It didn't like work your way

604
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 6: into that. That was right from the start.

605
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Speaker 7: That's what that was.

606
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Speaker 9: Wow, we were such Carter Bays and I my my

607
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 9: the co creative to show my writing partner. We we

608
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 9: didn't know what we were doing on such a profound level.

609
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 9: We were like twenty nine, and when we wrote this script,

610
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 9: we had never written for a multi camera show. We'd

611
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 9: written for like late night comedy and animation and singlem

612
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 9: We were these We were complete rookies to it. And

613
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 9: you wrote this pilot that had like seventy scenes in

614
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 9: twenty one minutes, and our producer had to sit us

615
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 9: down and explain to us like how the laws of

616
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 9: time and physics.

617
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: Were, and I'm like, oh, so time just moves forward.

618
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 9: You can't hit Paul okay, great, And there's no audience

619
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 9: show when you have when you want to shoot seventy

620
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 9: freaking scenes.

621
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 8: There's not enough candy to keep an audience.

622
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 7: Wait for thirty day pease.

623
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: I know you have any of you ever done pure

624
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: sitcom in front of an audience?

625
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 6: Like, can you compare it to what you did?

626
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 9: Josh has done a lot of theater, but it's but yeah,

627
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 9: I don't know.

628
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 8: Very very first, I think I got my sag card

629
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 8: on this Jim Gaffigan Christine Baranski show called Welcome to

630
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 8: New York, and I got there and they cut my part,

631
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 8: but they gave me like one line like I gave

632
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 8: something to Eric Pogosian or something, you know, And I

633
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 8: had one word, so I qualified to get my SAG cards,

634
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 8: and there was an audience. There was you know, there

635
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 8: was a tape night. I'm trying to remember. I don't

636
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 8: think it's so weird to have been on this big

637
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 8: iconic sitcom and not really have the experience that you

638
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 8: guys have.

639
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really weird.

640
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 8: I've been to tapings of friends and stuff, so I

641
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 8: not friends, but of friends, and I know, I know

642
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 8: what that energy is like. And I know, like I've

643
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 8: seen James Burrows off to the side, you know, snapping

644
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 8: his fingers and doing all that stuff, and it's fascinating.

645
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 8: It's just it wasn't my experience. It wasn't our experience

646
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 8: of how we made our show.

647
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: Oh what an interesting way to do it.

648
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it was.

649
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 9: It was cool because our show is probably one of

650
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 9: the more emo sitcoms, I know, like Your Guys is

651
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 9: considered that too in a certain way. Like I I

652
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 9: know that so many hoow I Met your Mother fans

653
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 9: have a huge ven diagram overlap with Boy Meets World fans.

654
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 7: I hear it a lot.

655
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 9: It's in fact, like the main way I know Boymuts

656
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 9: World is just how many Hemium fans have told me like,

657
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 9: that's my other favorite show, which is cool. I feel

658
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 9: like we're in a weird little club of like similar

659
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 9: tones or like shows that really wore their heart on

660
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 9: their sleeve and really meant something to their fans.

661
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like there's there's a cool overlap there.

662
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 8: You know, there's there's also there's a case to be

663
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 8: made that the sometimes for the for the big comedy moments,

664
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 8: you would do it once the crew would laugh, yeah,

665
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 8: and then no more like that was your.

666
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 7: That was your one laugh moment.

667
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you know, sometimes they would throw in another

668
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 8: line and it would get a laugh. But it was

669
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 8: largely like you just had to trust your gut on

670
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 8: the comedy. But because we had so many kind of

671
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 8: like you know, serious heartfelt stuff. Yeah, not having an

672
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 8: audience there was actually I think kept us really honest.

673
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 8: I think kept us not grounded, not pushing grounded. So

674
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 8: it was helpful in that regard.

675
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 7: It was that was my point too.

676
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, it allowed us a kind of emotional side and

677
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 9: like an authenticity to certain emotional like if we needed

678
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 9: to play sadness, it wasn't like we got to get

679
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 9: through just in a hurry. The people in the back

680
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 9: row are starting to share among themselves, like, no, we

681
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 9: we really leaned into those moments, and I think it

682
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 9: really shaped the tone of the show in a cool way.

683
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 7: For our show. Even though an audience are you.

684
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Are you trying to say there was no emotional depth

685
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: to when my character sneezed the lottery?

686
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 9: We did an incredible amount of stupid, asthetic Golden.

687
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: I have to ask before we go any farther, just

688
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Speaker 1: because Creig, you mentioned my my first love or one

689
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: of my first loves, animation, I'm just curious what you

690
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: wrote for in the animated world.

691
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, we were at Carter Carter and I were writing

692
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 9: on American Dada. For the funny thing is we wrote

693
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 9: on season one of American Dad as we wrote the

694
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 9: pilot for How I Met Your Mother, and we left

695
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 9: there and did ten years of how Much Mother and

696
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 9: American Dad is still still going.

697
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: I know, that's really weird.

698
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, so that was that was cool to get a

699
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 9: taste of that. We got to do a bunch We've

700
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 9: gone into a bunch of different kind of things, but

701
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 9: the one thing we haven't done is the thing that

702
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 9: How I Met Your Mother seems like it is when

703
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 9: you watch it, which is an audience show.

704
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 7: We're sort of this fraudulent audience show, right.

705
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 9: We created to seem like an audience audience, audience audience show. Yeah,

706
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 9: and it's it's funny how all of us did this

707
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 9: thing for ten years that we didn't really do.

708
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 7: It.

709
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 1: There is something about being in front of an audience

710
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: that I think also lends itself perfectly to a show

711
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: for younger people where it's okay to be bigger and

712
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: over the top, where maybe this the giant gags that

713
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: you guys did might have been too big.

714
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 6: If you were pushing in front of an audience.

715
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Right, So there was something where it's like you almost

716
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: like you, like you were saying Josh, like you as

717
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: actors as a company kind of kept yourselves in check

718
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to just having that audience.

719
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Speaker 8: Although we had a funny talk on one of the

720
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Speaker 8: episodes recently where Neil walks into the room, I think

721
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 8: it's I think it's the top of season two, the

722
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 8: first episode he walks into the apartment and he kind

723
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 8: of glances at the fourth wall and it looks like

724
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 8: he's waiting for entrance applause the audience, and so I

725
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 8: said to Craig. This leads to a meta question. Was

726
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 8: Barney the only character on How I Met Your Mother

727
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 8: who knew he was in a sitcom?

728
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: Ever?

729
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 8: Thought they were like in some living life and he

730
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 8: was in some some weird met universe.

731
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 7: Pause.

732
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 9: It's a great Barney character trait. He thinks he gets applause.

733
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 9: He hears the clause.

734
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 7: Everywhere he goes.

735
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: I do every room I walk in, it really does.

736
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: He has a laugh track constantly.

737
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 9: I asked you guys a question about the audience show

738
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 9: thing you guys were so young?

739
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 7: Was it?

740
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 9: Was it what percentage terrifying? What percentage exhilarating to know

741
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 9: you were going to be thrown out in front of

742
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 9: two hundred fifty people. However many people it was Thursday

743
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 9: Night's barrel. You're barreling towards that Thursday Night. You're like

744
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 9: a teenager with whatever you're dealing with in your life,

745
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 9: and now it's like boom here you aren't from this audience.

746
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 9: Was that like you come alive? Or was it terrifying?

747
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 7: Like what?

748
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 9: We don't know what that like?

749
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: It was one hundred percent exhilaration.

750
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Exhilaration. There was you know, we we had each other's backs,

751
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: like and we felt like the writers had our backs.

752
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Like there was a sense of like, we just can't

753
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: wait to present this. Like by the time we got

754
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: to the audience show, it was just like, let's get

755
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: those laughs, and like the feeling.

756
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 7: Was just pure.

757
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: It was so fun.

758
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 7: It was so fun.

759
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: It was an audience of kids, right, So it's like

760
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot different when you've got especially when

761
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: the show became popular and now they're waiting in line

762
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: to come to the show and it's you know, three

763
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen year olds, then you know that you're

764
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: going to have I mean, it would start, we'd be

765
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: backstage and our audience announcer would be warming everybody up

766
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: and they'd be slamming.

767
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 6: Their feet and copy and you could just feel the vibe.

768
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: It was cool, Oh, we're about to hit the stage,

769
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: and you just by the time you got out there,

770
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: you were just like.

771
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 8: A reason I had like one of those crag that

772
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 8: we sometimes I mean, I think we talked about it

773
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 8: early on. For the first three to five episodes, they

774
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 8: would bring in an audience and they would show the

775
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 8: of the show and they would they would grab the laughter.

776
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: So it was real laughs, yeah, which was episodes.

777
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 7: Then we started using I love.

778
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 9: The machine, but grabbing the laughs makes us sound like

779
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 9: freaking monsters.

780
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: We were also those super well prepared. We had three

781
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: full days of rehearsal from and and you know, two

782
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: run throughs, one for just producers, one for the network,

783
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: and then a full block and shoot day and then

784
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: then the tape day.

785
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 9: Were covens were a lot simpler.

786
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: We did not have flashbacks flash forwards.

787
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 8: You guys have on the block and shoot day, you

788
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 8: actually grabbed the whole show, so you had it, No the.

789
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 6: Whole show now sour swing set or something like that,

790
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 6: a big gag piece or something like that.

791
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 5: We would something that wasn't directly in front of the

792
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 5: New York.

793
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 7: Street and CBS there, you know, we've shot there.

794
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 6: It was one of the things on well not unfortunately.

795
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I think as an actor it was it was exhilarating

796
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: at a ton of fun, but for young actors it

797
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: was a little daunting. It was our executive producer was

798
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: famous for rewriting on the night. Would be sitting there

799
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: waiting and he'd come in and scratch out a page.

800
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: You go, no, here's what you're gonna do. And we're

801
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: like watching going okay, here you go and then action.

802
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 8: But you also, I mean there's something about that you

803
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 8: get really good at a very particular thing because you

804
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 8: literally have no choice, like exactly get good doing that.

805
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 6: I have a very particular set of skills.

806
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 7: Its notes exactly. I heard you.

807
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 9: I would listen to your guys pilot of this podcast

808
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 9: before before coming on.

809
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 7: We got Better.

810
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 9: It's it's great. I really I found it fascinating.

811
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 7: You guys are great.

812
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 8: You do.

813
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 9: You do an awesome podcast here, and you have great chemistry,

814
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 9: and like I was really interested to hear you guys

815
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 9: talk about your memory of getting the notes after the

816
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 9: run through, Like I think you said an hour or

817
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 9: two of notes, Josh. Can you imagine if after the

818
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 9: run through we sat with the actors for two hours,

819
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 9: that's what they said they were getting as teenagers. Ye,

820
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 9: without getting into like that, I had so much sympathy

821
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 9: for you guys. Listen, thinking about giving teenagers and getting

822
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 9: that many notes. I don't want it without like our

823
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 9: picture put you in an uncomfortable spot?

824
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: Was that big our big joke, our big impression of

825
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: our executive producer, which Will and I because we when

826
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: we were wrapping the show. We made a fake documentary.

827
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: Will and I went around and shot a fake documentar

828
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: of where are they now ten years in the future

829
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: of Boy Meets World? And we did an impression of

830
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: our our executive producer, which was sitting down to give

831
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: a notes and he just goes, this was something really special.

832
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: You guys really nailed this.

833
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 8: This is perfect.

834
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Let's get into notes. Page one, line one, where God,

835
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: he would go line page one, Line one is our

836
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: because he would he wouldn't. He would just be like

837
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Paige one, line one and yeah, even even if he

838
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: was super passive, we would just go line line.

839
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Speaker 6: And by the way, that was I was ever the time,

840
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 6: I was the only teenager.

841
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: They were eleven and twelve, right, And so you would

842
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: sit there and we would everybody would take their seats

843
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: in the living room set, and our producer would stare

844
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: at us, and.

845
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: It was it was as much a performance piece as

846
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: it was a note session. It was there was very

847
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: much about he had been an actor. It was very

848
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: much about his.

849
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 7: Was his moment? Was his moment?

850
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: The number of guest stars we've interviewed who come in

851
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 4: going I don't remember that much, but I do remember

852
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: those note sessions.

853
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 7: That I've never heard of a two hour note session line.

854
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 8: I mean, we were spared almost all notes, like we

855
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 8: really got you guys ran out.

856
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 9: They were like Josh Radner shaped a hole in the wall.

857
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: Down, it's one pair done for the dead.

858
00:37:52,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much of the arc of your show was

859
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: mapped out when you started the show?

860
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 6: Did you know where you were going to end when

861
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 6: you started the entire series?

862
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, we knew.

863
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 9: We knew where we wanted to end it pretty early on,

864
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 9: but we had it would be dishonest to say, and

865
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 9: we knew we'd get nine seasons and what the whole

866
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 9: shape of that would be. We were you know how

867
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 9: it is like, I mean, you guys were such kids

868
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 9: when you started, but we didn't feel like we had

869
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 9: a show that was guaranteed you to come back the

870
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 9: next season until year four or something, do.

871
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

872
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 9: So we always had these big ideas and things we

873
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 9: knew we wanted to get to, and it was always

874
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 9: this this funny like on the fly math of like

875
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 9: how long can we stretch this condition out? Or sho

876
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 9: should we rush through this because they're going to cancel

877
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 9: us at the end of season five, So we've got

878
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 9: to get through this and forget about that idea.

879
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 7: We just have to go to this.

880
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 9: And it was always this kind of like Las Vegas style,

881
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 9: like how long can we let this ride on red

882
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 9: or whatever? And we after a little while, a long

883
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 9: while and a lot of suffering, you realize we're not

884
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 9: going to get canceled.

885
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 7: We've actually become a hit.

886
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 9: We've actually like the show got onto Netflix and people

887
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 9: started your four You're five of the show, like really

888
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 9: binging it and catching up and then watching a week

889
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 9: to week, and our numbers just spiked, And at.

890
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 7: That moment we went, we might get to do this

891
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 7: for a while.

892
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 9: And we sort of got to play around a little

893
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 9: more in the middle than maybe we thought we'd we would,

894
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 9: but we had some idea of the kind of beginning, middle,

895
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 9: and end generally speaking. But we yeah, we we had

896
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 9: We were very lucky that we got to play for

897
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 9: those middle seasons. We got to play once we were

898
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 9: like exhaling the feel of canceling.

899
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 8: It's funny when something like runs as long as our

900
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 8: shows do that in hindsight, it looks like there was

901
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 8: some genius master plant. But yeah, when you when you

902
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 8: get into like the center of show base, you realize

903
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 8: everyone's just winging it. Everyone is as they go along. Yeah,

904
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 8: no one, like William Goldman famously is that no one

905
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 8: knows anything right, No one knows what's going to be

906
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 8: a hit. Like you're just making it up as you go,

907
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 8: And like Craig said, like it felt like we actually something.

908
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 8: I think that was really good for us, even though

909
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 8: it was nail biting in the first couple of seasons

910
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 8: whether we'd be back. We were doing just good enough

911
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 8: in the demo that CBS let us stay on the air,

912
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 8: but we weren't a big enough hit that they were

913
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 8: paying that much attention to us.

914
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: That's the best.

915
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 7: It was the absolute sweet spot.

916
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, by the fourth season, by the time we got

917
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 8: on Netflix, we actually became a hit. We were getting

918
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 8: two season pickups. You know, we were doing twenty four

919
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 8: instead of twenty two. We already had this singular voice

920
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 8: that Carter and like, we were already this weird, interesting

921
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 8: kind of indie band that got a little more popular,

922
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 8: and we're playing bigger venues, like you know, and it

923
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 8: was just really fun that we were. I think sometimes

924
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 8: shows can get cursed by getting too big too quickly. Yeah,

925
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 8: and then you start going, well, what do people love?

926
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 8: And then you start second guessing what made it special

927
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 8: in the first place?

928
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, were you guys a hit right out of the gate?

929
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 7: How did it grow for you? Like? What was that

930
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 7: our flight?

931
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: We always felt like we weren't a hit. We were

932
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: almos under the radar, you know. I mean part of

933
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: that was because we were a kid show, so there

934
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: was a sense of like mainstream culture was out there

935
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: and we were like in our own little sandbox. But yeah, no,

936
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: we we felt like we were gonna get canceled pretty

937
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: much every every season.

938
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 9: Really, Yeah, I thought by the end you wouldn't have

939
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 9: felt that way. Maybe maybe my sense of it is

940
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 9: I'm a little bit too old to have like watched

941
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 9: your show and when it was on, But like my

942
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 9: sense and maybe this is a retroactive feeling. People love

943
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 9: it so much now it's an enduring show, maybe not remembering.

944
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: Popular now than when it was on. By Yeah, we're

945
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: second fiddle to Sabrina the Teenage Witch. To put that

946
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: in perspective, Sabrina the te was the big hit and

947
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: we were we were the lead in for that, so

948
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: we were like the also ran to Sabrina and like,

949
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: but now I feel like most people talk about our

950
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: show more than they talk about Sabrina.

951
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 8: And the time, which isn't time funny?

952
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 7: Like how they take that Sabrina yah, but how how things.

953
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 8: Age and where they're you know, like we can even

954
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 8: and we don't. I don't want to get into the

955
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 8: weeds on this, but our finale was controversial, and we

956
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 8: have people we hear from people all the time who said,

957
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 8: I was so angry when that happened, and ten years later,

958
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 8: I now things have happened in my life that that

959
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 8: finale makes complete sense to me interesting when I first

960
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: saw it. So I think it's nice to take the

961
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 8: long view of things. It's very hard to do when

962
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 8: you're dealing with like ratings and overnights and you.

963
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 7: Know what's up.

964
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 8: It's impossible almost, But it's fun that we have like

965
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 8: a like a bigger slice of life now to like

966
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 8: actually see where our shows kind of are in the

967
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 8: constellation of things.

968
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: Well.

969
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm very much It sounds Josh like I'm

970
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: like your wife because I am a television junkie. I

971
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: have been my whole life. Nobody watches more TV than me.

972
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: So she and I can have an Olympic TV off,

973
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: but neither of us would show up because we'd both

974
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: be watching TV. But just just getting to the point

975
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: of getting to have a final episode is so rare

976
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: in television, right, yeah, right, because.

977
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 6: Normally it's just your hey, wow, that show's gone. What

978
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 6: the hell?

979
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: So it's really the ones that have endured that get

980
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: that goodbye. I mean, just that goodbye is so rare that,

981
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean, let alone to have a controversial one. I mean,

982
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: you look back on the when Sopranos ended and everyone

983
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell you know you get but

984
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: they're still talking about it.

985
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 7: But there's and it's funny.

986
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 9: It's almost like, because what you guys said, like maybe

987
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 9: you've been more enduring than some of your contemporary some

988
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 9: of your classmates, even the classmates on TV who seem

989
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 9: like the more popular kids in the TV school, You've

990
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 9: outlasted it somehow, and that means there was something enduring

991
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 9: about what you guys did and what you have energy

992
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 9: you put out there.

993
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 7: I like to think it's true of how much your

994
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 7: mother too.

995
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 9: And I think a weird part of it is that

996
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 9: sometimes it was surprising and controversial what we did on

997
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 9: the show, and people like debate it and write think

998
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 9: pieces about it and stuff, and I think that that

999
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 9: echo has actually kept the show more popular than some

1000
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 9: of our other classmates at the time.

1001
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 6: I think it's true.

1002
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 8: I also think I mean, I think our show was

1003
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 8: really funny, like like properly funny in the way you

1004
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 8: want a great sitcom to be funny. And that's been

1005
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 8: part of the light is going back to it being like, oh,

1006
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 8: I was on something really wondering. It's so hard to

1007
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 8: get a sense of what you're on while you're on it,

1008
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 8: so when you go back a couple of years later,

1009
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 8: it's like, oh my god, this was this was quite good,

1010
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 8: Like I understand why people are still watching this and

1011
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 8: talking about But I also think there's something like when

1012
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 8: and this fell on me a lot as a character,

1013
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 8: like shows that dare to kind of do more heart

1014
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 8: forward stuff in addition to the comedy, I think they

1015
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 8: have a better chance of lasting a little bitter, because

1016
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 8: then you're in the realm of like perennial, Like everyone

1017
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 8: gets heartbroken, everyone feels like a failure. Everyone longs to connect,

1018
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 8: and they you know, they get hurt. They hurt people,

1019
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 8: so I think that when I was on the air,

1020
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 8: I remember this feeling that I there were there was

1021
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 8: a very vocal corner, not not the whole thing, but

1022
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 8: there were some people that just did not like my character,

1023
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 8: Like I was the vulnerable man, right, and they were

1024
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 8: like that guy, like we don't like it, you know.

1025
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 8: But I feel like, again, he's aged so well, Like

1026
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 8: the character is age so well. Yeah, and I hear

1027
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 8: from not just men who relate to him. I hear

1028
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 8: from a ton of women ye to him. So I

1029
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 8: think that sometimes you dare to put something forward that's

1030
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 8: like a little more vulnerable, that risks sentimentality. I have

1031
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 8: a big thing about like there's a difference between sentiment

1032
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 8: and sentimentality. Like sentiment is like feeling it's good, you

1033
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 8: want it. You just don't want to be trite or cliche,

1034
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 8: you know, predictable. So I think we did something really

1035
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 8: well that secured a place for us, you know, in

1036
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 8: the culture somehow.

1037
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that made your show so

1038
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: unbelievably special. I mean, any television show, especially that comes

1039
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: out it's pieces and one piece goes away and the

1040
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 1: whole thing falls apart.

1041
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 6: So obviously the writing is there the creative team is there.

1042
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: But then you get this ensemble cast together, which is

1043
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: one of the best ensemble casts ever on television. So

1044
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: is this something that did you write any of these

1045
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: parts for specific actors and then oh my god, they

1046
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: decided to do it or did this just fall into

1047
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: place where wow, these people came into audition and we

1048
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: were able to somehow put this magic.

1049
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 9: Together almost entirely. The second thing and a little bit

1050
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 9: the first thing. The like Josh was the first audition day,

1051
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 9: one first person we saw for any role and he

1052
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 9: came in and he's ted.

1053
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 6: So that was like that, How does that?

1054
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 9: Does that ever happen? I don't know if it's never happened.

1055
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 7: There's there's two.

1056
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 8: Good ways to get a roll. One is that way,

1057
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 8: and the second one is you're the last person they

1058
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 8: saw answer the problem. They can't figure it out, and

1059
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 8: then you walk in and give them someone who.

1060
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 7: Didn't show up.

1061
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, So that was Josh, Thank God and thank the

1062
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 9: casting gods, and but and everybody else. We I guess Neil.

1063
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 9: We had seen Neil in Harold and Kumar.

1064
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 7: Remember Harold and Kumar.

1065
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 9: He steals the movie for several minutes and we were

1066
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 9: like God, and we had been envisioning the character of

1067
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 9: Barney is maybe like more of a Jack Black, kind

1068
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 9: of like John Belushy type of guy, and we knew

1069
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 9: there was that version. Then there was like the Vince

1070
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 9: Vaughn version, and we're like, Neil is the Vince von

1071
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 9: version of Barney. We were one hundred percent coming to

1072
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 9: that version, which we were kind of leaning the other way,

1073
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 9: and Neil came in and just auditioned and stole that

1074
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 9: part away from everybody else. And then my wife I

1075
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 9: told my wife Rebecca, we're creating a role a little

1076
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 9: bit based on her. It's Marshall. Lilly are kind of

1077
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 9: like my me and my wife Jason and Allison's character.

1078
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 9: And my wife said, I'm a little weird about big

1079
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 9: a paracter on TV being based on me. Here's my

1080
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 9: two conditions. We're huge Buffy fans at the time. In detail.

1081
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 9: Here one condition is I have to name the character

1082
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 9: I wanted to be called Lily. And condition too is

1083
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 9: it has to be Allison Haddigan or no deal.

1084
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 7: Somehow we trot. We made her an.

1085
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 9: Offer as one of our first like maneuvers, and we

1086
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 9: were such a small pilot created, you know, created by

1087
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 9: two nobody's Carter and I, who'd never even been on

1088
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 9: staff on a multi camp sitcom. No one cared about

1089
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 9: our pilot. Maybe there was like eleven pilots comedies for

1090
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 9: CBS that year. We were definitely the eleventh. I already pilot,

1091
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 9: and so nobody really cared. They're like, I let these

1092
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 9: kids make their little TV show, We'll see if it's anything.

1093
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 9: But Alison Hannigan was a star. She was from American Pie,

1094
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 9: she was from Buffy, and she had a quote, you

1095
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 9: know what I mean. She had a price tag to

1096
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 9: get Alison Haddigan.

1097
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 8: That was above It was bigger than mine.

1098
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 9: That's true. And this studio and the network, nobody wanted

1099
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 9: to spend extra money on the pilot being done by

1100
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 9: these two idiots, Carter and Craig. And we didn't get

1101
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 9: her at first because we didn't do They didn't want

1102
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 9: to spend the money. And then we saw all these

1103
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 9: people nobody felt quite right. And then we brought in

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Speaker 9: Allison to audition along with Jason, and they were so

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Speaker 9: charming together as this couple. That's one of the core

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Speaker 9: pieces of the show.

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Speaker 7: This couple. We've got to love this couple and the

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Speaker 7: studio went, yeah, it's important. Threw a little money so

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Speaker 7: we got her. But yeah, and Jason, we like studio.

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Speaker 2: We had to go above and be on.

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Speaker 9: I feel I've disclosed sensitive financial information here on your podcast.

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Speaker 6: I think we all know coming off of her career,

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Speaker 6: she had the bigger question. Not anything special about.

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Speaker 9: That Kobe small Kobe smolders like materialized out of thin

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Speaker 9: air to become Robin.

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Speaker 7: She was this Canadian I you know, she'd just done

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Speaker 7: a little bit of American stuff.

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Speaker 9: She's from Vancouver, done a little acting there, but not

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Speaker 9: that much, never done comedy and walked in and similar

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Speaker 9: to Josh, and alongside of Josh and I did the

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Speaker 9: auditions just like she was Robin. It was one of

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Speaker 9: those It was such a mix of the two mechanisms

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Speaker 9: of casting you asked about, Wow, that's great.

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Speaker 4: We had so much fun talking with Josh and Craig.

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Speaker 4: We had to split the episode into two parts, so

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Speaker 4: thank you all for listening to part one. You can

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Speaker 4: catch part two later today as a special bonus episode.

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Speaker 4: Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted

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Speaker 4: by Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and right Or Strong. Executive producers

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Speaker 4: Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production,

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Speaker 4: Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddy Moore,

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Speaker 4: engineer and Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our

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Speaker 4: theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us

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Speaker 4: on Instagram at Podmeets World Show, or email us at

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Speaker 4: Podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com