WEBVTT - It All Comes Down To This

0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.640
<v Speaker 1>It all comes down to this, the final impeachment vote

0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.240
<v Speaker 1>on whether or not to remove President Trump from office,

0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and straight from the Capitol, we have one of the

0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:22.520
<v Speaker 1>judge slash jurors. This is verdict with Ted Cruz. The

0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.759
<v Speaker 1>final vote has happened. Can I get a drum roll? Please?

0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.120
<v Speaker 1>The President has not been removed from office. Senator you

0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.639
<v Speaker 1>are so shocked and excited by this news that you're

0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.879
<v Speaker 1>sitting there tweeting during the introt. Well, I am, I

0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was just just reading a second ago, a tweet that says.

0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.280
<v Speaker 1>In other Democratic comments, Representative Sheila Jackson Lee suggests that

0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the Russians may be behind the Iowa Democratic Caucus app debacle.

0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.320
<v Speaker 1>She mentions Russia as she tells FBI Director Chris Ray,

0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I hope the Iowa Democrats will ask for an FBI

0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.440
<v Speaker 1>investigation on the app. And so I just retweeted it

0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and made a very simple observation. Well, Bernie did honeymoon

0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in the Soviet Union. So your mind is now past impeachment.

0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.160
<v Speaker 1>The impeachment vote has happened, and it turned out the

0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.759
<v Speaker 1>way that we all knew it was going to turn out.

0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.640
<v Speaker 1>This was the inevitable outcome. Yeah, we knew this in October.

0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.920
<v Speaker 1>We knew this in November, we knew this in December,

0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.160
<v Speaker 1>we knew this in January, we know this in February,

0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and we will know this one hundred years from now.

0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.600
<v Speaker 1>This impeachment was always a partisan circus, and it was

0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.959
<v Speaker 1>appointing to end with acquittal, right, But it wasn't about

0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.320
<v Speaker 1>convicting the president. That That wasn't the Democrats objective. It

0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.560
<v Speaker 1>was about appeasing their base. That Hatson. The impeachment and

0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic reaction to the sta State of the Union

0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.520
<v Speaker 1>last night are the same thing. Huh. It's like it's

0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a different part of the identical phenomenon. Nancy Pelosi ripping

0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the speech in half is the same thing as impeachment.

0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It is all a giant fu apologies to Donald Trump.

0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what That's what this whole thing was. But then

0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.440
<v Speaker 1>what did they get out of it? I guess if

0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>if we always knew how it was going to end,

0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and it was always a partisan circus, was there a

0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:17.000
<v Speaker 1>political victory? When you the bloods of the mob, it

0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>satiates the mob, at least briefly, if nothing else. It

0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.840
<v Speaker 1>gets messy. I mean, this was look the beginning of

0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:31.320
<v Speaker 1>last year. You had famed centrists like Nancy Pelosi saying no,

0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.160
<v Speaker 1>no, no no, no, we can't do impeachment. It can't be partisan.

0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.679
<v Speaker 1>It will never succeed. Even Nancy Pelosi didn't want to

0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:41.160
<v Speaker 1>do impeach, you had that wonderful rock of moderation, Jerry

0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Nadler saying no, no no, no, no, we can't do we

0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:49.560
<v Speaker 1>can't do impeachment if it's partisan. So what changed? What

0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:56.880
<v Speaker 1>change is their base got angrier and angrier and angrier,

0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately, listen, I viewed Nancy Loosi almost like a

0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.880
<v Speaker 1>hostage tied up an abasement somewhere little ironic because we

0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.320
<v Speaker 1>are in fact in abasement right now. But but look,

0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:12.360
<v Speaker 1>she's she was telling AOC, she was telling the squad,

0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:19.560
<v Speaker 1>she was telling the fired up Bernie Sanders. Bernista's no, no, no,

0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and they just couldn't fight him anymore. And and so

0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.320
<v Speaker 1>all of impeachment. One of the reasons I think Pelosi

0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.160
<v Speaker 1>was so pissed last night is I think the Democrats

0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.679
<v Speaker 1>have done real political damage to themselves in the last

0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.520
<v Speaker 1>three months. Then they strengthened President Trump. I mean, I

0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.120
<v Speaker 1>mean it. You know, if I were Donald Trump, I

0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.040
<v Speaker 1>would send a letter to the FEC today the Federal

0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Election Committee saying, dear FEC, I just like clarification, do

0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I have to declare Nancy Pelosi's actions as an in

0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.080
<v Speaker 1>kind contribution? It is my reelection camp. It has helped

0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.520
<v Speaker 1>his numbers. So then I guess this is just what's

0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:03.360
<v Speaker 1>confusing to me. We're saying is Nancy Pelosi and the

0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Democrats had to go along with impeachment because they're fired

0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.800
<v Speaker 1>up base demanded it. But the impeachment has damaged the Democrats,

0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was always going to damage the Democrats. I

0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's right, and I think that their base has

0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.400
<v Speaker 1>radicalized and they have no choice but follow them off

0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.279
<v Speaker 1>the cliff. Now, there were some surprises today. Yep. We

0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.320
<v Speaker 1>had been talking about. Obviously the president was going to

0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.599
<v Speaker 1>be acquitted, but there were some swing votes in play.

0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Mitt Romney was the biggest one, but also Doug Jones

0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.920
<v Speaker 1>of Alabama, who's a Democrat. Also Kirsten Cinema of Arizona. Right,

0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.800
<v Speaker 1>there were a few other votes in play. It was

0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a completely party lined vote except for Mitt Romney. Well,

0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.000
<v Speaker 1>let's take each piece of that. So this weekend, as

0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you and I talked about, I thought there were anywhere

0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.159
<v Speaker 1>between fifty and fifty six votes for not guilty. We

0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.240
<v Speaker 1>ended up at fifty two. Sorry about that. It's been

0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.839
<v Speaker 1>a long week, it has. We ended up at fifty two.

0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.040
<v Speaker 1>So the six votes that were in play three Republicans

0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, and three Democrats Joe Mansion,

0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Kirsten Cinema, Doug Jones. I was right that Collins would

0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.600
<v Speaker 1>vote to acquit. I was right that Murkowski would vote

0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to acquit. I was wrong on Mitt. So last podcast

0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.240
<v Speaker 1>we did, I told you I thought Mitt would be

0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a not guilty. I also told you I thought Joe

0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Mansion would be a not guilty, Joe Mansion, Democrat from

0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.440
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia, but from West Virginia. And I said Cinema

0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.440
<v Speaker 1>might be that she was a plausible not guilty. And

0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I also told you Doug Jones won't be and Jones

0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I was exactly right. Joe Jones is running in Alabama.

0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a bright red state. Voting for impeachment is a

0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.039
<v Speaker 1>terrible vote for Doug Jones. And I think he doesn't care.

0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.159
<v Speaker 1>He's like the end of Doctor Strangelove, the guy on

0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.719
<v Speaker 1>top of the rock, on top of the bomb with

0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a cowboy hat cheering is a fat Jones. It's like

0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm losing, and damn it, I am going to be

0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.000
<v Speaker 1>praised by every liberal in Alabama. There are a few

0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.520
<v Speaker 1>of them, are not many, but but he's going to

0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.120
<v Speaker 1>be there here. Senator, do you know how I know

0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that you are new to political podcasting is that you

0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.279
<v Speaker 1>are actually holding up your predictions against reality. Normally we

0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.680
<v Speaker 1>just move right along, doesn't matter, no accountability. Mitt Romney

0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was the big story. Yeah, Mitt Romney comes out. We

0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.520
<v Speaker 1>actually surprised me. We have a clip of it, Mitt

0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Romney declaring why he's going to vote against President Trump.

0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.880
<v Speaker 1>As a senator juror, I swore an oath before God

0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to exercise impartial justice. I am profoundly religious. My faith

0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.279
<v Speaker 1>is at the heart of who I am. The grave

0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.200
<v Speaker 1>question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the

0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.839
<v Speaker 1>President committed an act so extreme and egregious that it

0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:07.360
<v Speaker 1>rises to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor. Yes,

0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:14.360
<v Speaker 1>he did. Your reaction, Look, I think he's wrong. I

0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.520
<v Speaker 1>think he is very mistaken, and I think that's unfortunate.

0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that is a bad decision. I think it's

0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.360
<v Speaker 1>it's bad for the country. I think it's bad for MIT,

0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it's consistent with the Constitution. Now

0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that being said, every Senator has to make up his

0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.760
<v Speaker 1>or her mind and then that that is what MIT

0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.440
<v Speaker 1>has done. But I think that's a very unfortunate decision.

0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Senator Romney's decision to be the only

0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.440
<v Speaker 1>vote that to cross party lines to vote against the

0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.800
<v Speaker 1>president on actually on only one charge on abuse of power?

0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:50.960
<v Speaker 1>He didn't. He voted to quit the president on the

0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.400
<v Speaker 1>other charge, obstruction of Congress. But do you think Senator

0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Romney's decision influenced some of those other swing votes on

0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic side. Yeah, that's an interesting question. And maybe

0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you know when we started voting, So we voted to

0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.360
<v Speaker 1>day at four, so we all came to the Senate floor.

0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We got there a few minutes early. Mitch McConnell was

0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:14.440
<v Speaker 1>giving a speech about how impeachment was all nonsense. Yeah,

0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.160
<v Speaker 1>four o'clock, the vote comes in. The Chief Justice comes

0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and takes the seat, reads the first article. We vote,

0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.000
<v Speaker 1>now the way we vote. Every one of us stands

0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:29.360
<v Speaker 1>up and votes either guilty or not guilty. Right before

0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that started, it was interesting. Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema

0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.719
<v Speaker 1>hugged each other. And I have to say, Cinema, who

0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:40.079
<v Speaker 1>who I like? I work with her? She looked pale,

0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.000
<v Speaker 1>she looked haggard. I mean it was it was noticeable.

0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:49.079
<v Speaker 1>And I will say another Republican senator was speculating with

0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.319
<v Speaker 1>me if Chuck Schumer had had taken them back in

0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.760
<v Speaker 1>his office and strapped them to a chair and taken

0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.080
<v Speaker 1>out a rubber hose on them. It seemed as though

0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.720
<v Speaker 1>it was in their personal political interest to vote to

0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.680
<v Speaker 1>acquit the president. So what's interesting is is when Mansion

0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.280
<v Speaker 1>cast his vote, I leaned over to David Produce, it's

0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.760
<v Speaker 1>next to me on the on the Senate floor, and

0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, Mansion just announced he's not running for reelection.

0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.439
<v Speaker 1>That's what it seems like. Look, West Virginia, this may

0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.679
<v Speaker 1>be a worst vote for worst vote for Mansion than

0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.160
<v Speaker 1>it is for Doug Jones. I'd put West Virginia and

0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Alabama side by side in terms of where the voters

0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.800
<v Speaker 1>are on that. And I'm actually not shocked that Mansion

0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.880
<v Speaker 1>would do that because because I don't think he actually

0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.520
<v Speaker 1>really likes the Senate. He used to be governor in

0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.240
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia. He liked being Governor Moore, and this was

0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a vote. I don't know how much Schumer pounded them.

0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I actually wonder the Democrats are much better at party discipline.

0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what Schumer threatens. I don't know if

0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:55.840
<v Speaker 1>he did. This is pure speculation, but it wouldn't shock me.

0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.760
<v Speaker 1>So Romney announced earlier this afternoon he was going to

0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:04.320
<v Speaker 1>be a guilty And if Schumer hadn't gotten mansion and

0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.640
<v Speaker 1>or sent him a to flip, then I suspect Romney

0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.280
<v Speaker 1>coming over Schumer would have said, hey, you can't vote

0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the other way because we need the messaging. I haven't

0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.760
<v Speaker 1>even seen what the Democrats have said, but I'm sure

0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.840
<v Speaker 1>they're all saying it was a bipartisan vote. Well that's

0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.600
<v Speaker 1>what changes. This is why the Romney vote matters, is

0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.040
<v Speaker 1>not because you don't think so. There are five hundred

0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and thirty five members of the United States Congress throughout

0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:35.280
<v Speaker 1>this entire show. It was a diplomatic choice of words.

0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I said the second half of the word. They got

0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.400
<v Speaker 1>one Republican one out of five hundred and thirty five.

0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.760
<v Speaker 1>So you'll forgive me for not being oh terribly excited

0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that they got one. This was a partisan endeavor from

0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.280
<v Speaker 1>day one, and the fact that that Mitt decided to

0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.839
<v Speaker 1>do what he did. Listen, I don't really want to

0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.240
<v Speaker 1>pound Mit, frankly, because everyone else on earth is landing

0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:58.800
<v Speaker 1>on him so hard. I don't know if you've checked

0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Twitter recently that it's tough on him. But I will say,

0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you know one reaction I have, so I'm reminded of

0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.200
<v Speaker 1>another difficult moment on the Senate floor. By the way,

0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.480
<v Speaker 1>an interesting observation, Mit I think sits at the same

0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.000
<v Speaker 1>desk that I sat in as a freshman. Looking at

0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that image of that clip, that's the same image that's

0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:25.200
<v Speaker 1>behind me when I'm doing the Obamacare filibuster. He's really junior.

0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.280
<v Speaker 1>He's in the back corner. Those were very different speeches,

0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:36.160
<v Speaker 1>very different. But I was reminded of another deeply disappointing

0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.559
<v Speaker 1>moment on the floor, which was in twenty seventeen when

0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.600
<v Speaker 1>we voted on Obamacare repeal, and you'll recall we came

0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.680
<v Speaker 1>one vote short of Obamacare repeal. Now that there's nothing

0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I have bled more than taking on and trying to

0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.880
<v Speaker 1>repeal Obamacare, I haven't given up on that yet, just

0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, But you'll recall three Republicans voted against it,

0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.319
<v Speaker 1>and the last one was John McCain from Arizona, who

0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.199
<v Speaker 1>put his put his fist out and sort of wiggled

0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it for a minute to thrust his thumb down. And

0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.559
<v Speaker 1>that was That was about two in the morning. So

0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.560
<v Speaker 1>actually we should have been podcasting that. Yeah in the

0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:15.440
<v Speaker 1>morning's we need to own two am. You know it's

0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.160
<v Speaker 1>two am. Do you know where your senator? They have

0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:18.959
<v Speaker 1>got to let you get to your second job. That

0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.760
<v Speaker 1>is exactly right. So I remember at that moment and listen,

0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.400
<v Speaker 1>John McCain and I we became friends. I respect and

0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:33.319
<v Speaker 1>admire him personally, certainly for his heroism, for his serving

0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.040
<v Speaker 1>his country. But I had to turn and walk off

0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the Senate floor because if I had spoken to him

0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that night, it would not have been language suitable for

0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the floor. It was and infuriating though, but but I

0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.720
<v Speaker 1>want to draw a distinction. Let me contrast, so someone else.

0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.120
<v Speaker 1>The two other no votes that night were Susan Collins

0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and Lisa Murkowski. I had a very different sentiment about

0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.360
<v Speaker 1>McCain's vote that I did about Collins's vote. Why look,

0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like how Susan voted, but Susan was honest

0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.480
<v Speaker 1>with her voters. Susan when she campaigned and when elect

0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was elected in Maine, she never campaign saying she opposed Obamacare.

0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.400
<v Speaker 1>She's a moderate. The voters of Maine knew what they

0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.720
<v Speaker 1>were getting. She she wasn't out there on the stump

0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.160
<v Speaker 1>saying if you elect me, I will vote to repeal Obamacare.

0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.320
<v Speaker 1>And so I disagree with her on that issue. But

0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but but I think being honest with your voters and

0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.520
<v Speaker 1>doing what you told them to is is right at

0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the heart of what we're supposed to do. YEA, what

0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.520
<v Speaker 1>was so infuriating about McCain's vote. He had just been

0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.880
<v Speaker 1>re elected and he had run ads all across Arizona,

0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:49.040
<v Speaker 1>John McCain leading the fight to repeal Obamacare. That that's

0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:55.360
<v Speaker 1>why it was so infuriating. And I gotta say about Mitt,

0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>they saying how he campaigned to get elected to Senate.

0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that if Mitt had wanted to tell the

0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:08.199
<v Speaker 1>people of Utah elect me, and I will be a

0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.559
<v Speaker 1>check on Donald Trump. I will stand up to Donald Trump.

0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I will be a statesman. And you know what, if

0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the people of Utah and elected elected him for that,

0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.320
<v Speaker 1>God bless him. But that's not what he told the voters.

0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:28.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's a pattern the rage across this country. Washington

0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't doesn't get the rage across this country. That rage

0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is what elected Trump is. People were tired of their

0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.560
<v Speaker 1>elected officials telling him one thing on the campaign it

0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.920
<v Speaker 1>just flat outline, and then doing exactly the opposite. And

0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and that I don't have a problem. I don't have

0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a problem with Bernie Sanders voting like a socialist. Look,

0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.000
<v Speaker 1>his policies are luni and would destroy the country in

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the world. But but other than that, missus Lincoln, how'd

0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you like to play? But he tells the people of

0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Vermont that I, I don't know, they're cold, they're spoken

0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.280
<v Speaker 1>pot and they say that sounds good to us, like,

0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it's at least honest. I think

0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:16.560
<v Speaker 1>we need more honesty and politics. And this was not

0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.720
<v Speaker 1>what the people of Utah. You know, this actually brings

0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.520
<v Speaker 1>us to another point, kind of wrapping up impeachment. You've

0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.120
<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about Hunter Biden, Bisma, this corruption on

0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic side, and other senators have gone along with this,

0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.320
<v Speaker 1>but you always wondered if it was just maybe a

0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.440
<v Speaker 1>little more opportunistic. What we've just heard, this is breaking

0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.080
<v Speaker 1>news Senators Chuck Rassley and Ron Johnson have sent letters

0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to the Secret Service requesting information on Hunter Biden's travel records.

0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you have been leading the charge to get to

0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this kind of corruption. Are there going

0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.400
<v Speaker 1>to be enough other senators to go along with this

0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to get to the bottom of the Biden potential corruption

0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:04.920
<v Speaker 1>or is this just going to be forgotten? I hope so. Um,

0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.120
<v Speaker 1>let me say a couple of things on that one.

0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.000
<v Speaker 1>In the Senate and in the House. I think the

0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:18.640
<v Speaker 1>political appetite for any further investigation diminished dramatically because Joe

0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Biden is in free fall now. Fourth in Utah is

0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.840
<v Speaker 1>falling in New Hampshire, Iowa action not YouTube. Sorry, I

0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was still so fixated on Senator Romney. Yes in Iowa. Look,

0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.440
<v Speaker 1>they're both both states with four letters and lots of owls.

0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.520
<v Speaker 1>But but but different, beautiful, but very different. I can't

0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.400
<v Speaker 1>believe they say we don't know geography, you know, I

0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know why they say that about us conservatives. Um

0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Biden taking forth in Iowa or who knows? I mean,

0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.360
<v Speaker 1>we still don't have results because they still can't count

0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the votes. But it is catastrophic for him yeah, what's

0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:00.720
<v Speaker 1>going on behind the scenes. His donors are are in panic,

0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.520
<v Speaker 1>his supporters are in panic, His grassroots activists are in panic.

0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.399
<v Speaker 1>His campaign staffers are in panic. When you're built on

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.440
<v Speaker 1>being inevitable, placing fourth is kind of a propt because

0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that's the whole pitch for the Biden campaign is he's

0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the most electable guy. If he doesn't win elections, then

0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that whole argument goes away. And remember we talked about

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.840
<v Speaker 1>in a previous podcast, how when the House managers threw

0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.600
<v Speaker 1>about Joe Biden under the bus. One Republican senator speculated

0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.439
<v Speaker 1>it was because the Democratic superdelegates had soured on Biden,

0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.399
<v Speaker 1>and we saw some of that, some of the fruit

0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of that playing out in Iowa. What that means they're

0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to be a lot of Republicans in the

0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Senate agitating for investigating further because Biden. Biden is politically speaking,

0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a dead man walking right now. Right right that being said, look,

0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.560
<v Speaker 1>rule of law matters. Biden was the vice president of

0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the United States. The evidence we've walked through on barisma

0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and correct option. When I'm back at home at home

0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in Texas and doing town halls, and I've done town

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.960
<v Speaker 1>halls in Texas and all across the country. People are

0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.640
<v Speaker 1>understandably frustrated. A question you get all the time, how

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>come nobody's held accountable? How come people break the law,

0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.080
<v Speaker 1>people violate the criminal there's no consequences. They get off

0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.800
<v Speaker 1>scott free. What happened to the millions of dollars hunter

0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Biden made? By the way, no one has ever answered

0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the question that was asked during the trial, what exactly

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.440
<v Speaker 1>did hunter Biden do for the million bucks a year?

0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Like the managers are like, we don't want to answer that.

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 1>So my view is absolutely yes, there should be an investigation.

0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Now who should investigate? To be honest, there's a game

0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of musical chairs in the Senate because no one wants

0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Where no committee chairman wants to do it,

0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.919
<v Speaker 1>It's got to be a committee chairman. I don't I

0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.840
<v Speaker 1>don't care if it's Judiciary, Foreign Relations, or Intel. I'm

0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>on two of those three, and I am urging the

0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.360
<v Speaker 1>chairman to call them and to investigate. But right now

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not seeing any chairman rushing into that breach. And

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.880
<v Speaker 1>they control the gavel, they control the ability to investigate.

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:18.959
<v Speaker 1>But let me say, secondly, where's DOJ right. The Justice

0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Department do have a United States Department of Justice that

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.919
<v Speaker 1>has these people called assistant US attorneys, and they have

0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:31.880
<v Speaker 1>grand juries and their FBI agents when they're not fraudulently

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.520
<v Speaker 1>launching a case against the president and doctoring evidence to

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the fives accord get wire tabs, you've got evidence here

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of a million bucks a year to the son of

0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the vice president, with the vice president bragging about getting

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.159
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor fired. By the way, I don't know. So

0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in my Senate speech yesterday, every senator got ten minutes

0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to explain, and I quoted from what podcast listeners here

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.520
<v Speaker 1>know that I've affectionately referred to as the son of

0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a bitch Cliff and Joe Biden on video saying son

0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of a bitch, he got fired. What I've actually asked

0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.359
<v Speaker 1>my team to to to research that maybe the first

0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.200
<v Speaker 1>time in history, son of a bitch has been set

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 1>on the Senate. So you did not set the milk

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.680
<v Speaker 1>precedent that you participated in, but you may have set Okay,

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that's really and I'll confess what I asked my team

0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 1>that they're like, oh, come on, someone had to have

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.679
<v Speaker 1>said it. I said, Look, the Senate's pretty old school.

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even sure we've had a malarkey on the Senate. No,

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of malarkey, but maybe not a

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.119
<v Speaker 1>mention of malarkey. But by the way, Michael, you did mention.

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I missed this tweet, but you told me that that

0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.919
<v Speaker 1>that that Don Junior Junior, Don Junior tweeted about the

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Iowa Caucuses. I'm sorry we were told there'd be no malarkey.

0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.200
<v Speaker 1>That's funny. I didn't see Don's tweet, but that's really funny.

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Spot on. Before we go, obviously wrapping up impeachment, we

0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:56.320
<v Speaker 1>need to get to some of the mail bad questions.

0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.919
<v Speaker 1>Our listeners have been incredible. Now just what We've been

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>doing this for two weeks, over two million audio downloads,

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a ton of listens on YouTube. First question from Nicholas

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.399
<v Speaker 1>is the Verdicts podcast going to continue or was this

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 1>a short lived gem of a listen? We ain't going anywhere,

0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.879
<v Speaker 1>all right, I still have a job. This is great.

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 1>We will keep on going and and we're going to

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 1>keep doing the same thing yea, which is trying to

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 1>get to the bottom of issues, trying to engage in substance.

0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, this podcast was built on a proposition that

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 1>you can attest. A lot of people laughed at us

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 1>for saying yes, which is that people really care about substance.

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:48.120
<v Speaker 1>They want to understand things. Now, Look, people have jobs,

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 1>they have kids, they have lives. They don't necessarily have

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.440
<v Speaker 1>time to spend days and days and days studying every issue.

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>You gotta deal with other stuff. But they do want

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.399
<v Speaker 1>to understand, all right, what's really going on? What are

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the facts? And I had to admit, when it comes

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to cable TV, I don't turn on the cable news stations.

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I get very little from from people screaming anything three minutes,

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.879
<v Speaker 1>sound bites, yelling over each other, and just the talking

0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>points blah blah blah. Want why it's like it's like

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:22.240
<v Speaker 1>a Charlie Brown and they're talking. Yeah, it just it doesn't.

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>So what we're gonna try to do. We're gonna try

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 1>to address number one, timely pressing issues right now, but

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>number two also issues that matter, whether raised by the

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>presidential campaign, raised by what's going on in the Senate,

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 1>raised in the Supreme Court, or just issues that matter.

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Socialism versus free enterprise, what's that all about? Those are

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>sort of great bumper stickers you can get all, you know,

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>jazzed about, but what does it mean? And and I'm

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.440
<v Speaker 1>hoping that that we do it with a combination of

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>facts and insight and perhaps some perspectives that you don't

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 1>necessarily get elsewhere, but also having fun. I mean, we're gonna,

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, cut up and laugh and and and enjoy ourselves.

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>And hopefully that means our listeners will stay with us.

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Right before we go, someone has a new job recommendation

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 1>for you. You've already got two. Maybe you could have

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a third from Lisa thoughts on a Supreme Court seat.

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I think ted would be great. Well, look, I appreciate

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Lisa saying that, And that's a question that I get sometimes.

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>I will tell you that the short answer is is

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not interested in doing that. Really, why not.

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 1>You've worked in the Supreme Court, you clerked, you have

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>argued cases before the Supreme Court. I respect, I admire

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. I think it's massively important, you know

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 1>the big reason. And when I've said this people they

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:54.479
<v Speaker 1>sometimes don't believe me. But I think a principled federal

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>judge stays out of policy fights, stays out of political fights. YEA,

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>if I were a judge. That's what I do. If

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 1>I found myself on the Supreme Court, I would follow

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.959
<v Speaker 1>the law and I would follow the Constitution, even if

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't go along with your particular preference. I don't

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>give an issue, and I don't want to stay out

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of policy fights. I don't want to stay out of

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 1>political fights. I want to be right in the middle

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>of them. And the right place in our constitutional system

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 1>for that is the Senate. I mean, the Senate was

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>established for that, and and and so listen. I would

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like to be part of nominating and confirming two three, four,

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>five strong principled constitutionalists of the Supreme Court into the

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>lower courts as well. Um, I think it matters massively,

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to pull out of the fray.

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 1>That's too much fun. And when I look at the

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Senate and you don't no disrespect to my colleagues, but

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't see a whole lot of people leading the fight,

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>right and and if we're going to win people's hearts

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and minds, we got to be prepared to engage and

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>fight and and and and and that's what I want

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to do. And you know, I'll tell you one part

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>of it all. So I so this is not an

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 1>entirely theoretical question. Uh. For both of the last two

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court vacancies, for Neil Gorsich and Brett Cavanaugh, the

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 1>President and I had very serious conversations about the seat extended,

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>especially for the first one, the Gorsuch seat that was

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Scully a seat we had. The President and I and

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 1>his team and I talked for probably two hours about it. Wow. Uh.

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And and I don't want to overstate it. He didn't

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>offer me the job, but it was a really serious

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>He didn't talk to me about it, you know. So

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit and maybe the next you know,

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I can see you as a Ruth Bader ginsback. I mean,

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it'd be a good look for you. Um. And I'll

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>tell you I wrestled with it. I thought about it.

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.919
<v Speaker 1>I actually spent several weeks with Heidi. I mean we

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>were praying about it. I mean that that's I revere

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Anton and Scully and and and to have the possibility

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of filling his spot, like holy cow. That It's one

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>thing to say it theoretically, but when it was being

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>discussed for real, you you really have a all right,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>let's think about this humbling experience and and I came

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>very much to peace. So I told the President in

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>both instances, I'm not interested. I don't want the position. No,

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>thank you. He didn't offer it to me, but I

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 1>made very clear I didn't want it. Um. When I

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about it for the during the first discussions,

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that happened my my pastor came

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>over to the house. It was I forget it was

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and spent a couple of

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>hours talking through with me. And I got to say,

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 1>among my close friends, almost everybody was saying, you're an idiot,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Like what is I wasn't going to say it, but

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of that. Um. It was interesting

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>my pastor's take on it. He said he understood because

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I was from the very beginning very hesitant and pretty

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>sure I didn't want to do it, but I was

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>agonizing because it was becoming a more real possibility. And

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>my pastor used an analogy. He said, you know, if

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>someone came to me and offered me the opportunity to

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>be the leading theologian in the world, to go to

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>some divinity school and drive theological thought across across the planet.

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>But I'd have to give up being a pastor. And

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't meet with the members of the church. I

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>couldn't visit them when they're sick. I couldn't. He said,

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'd turned that down. And it matters

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I want good theologians to think. And but

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>but my calling, my passion is to be a pastor,

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>and and and I have to admit that that analogy

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>resonated with me, and and and and I want to

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>be fighting for conservative principles in the Senate, winning these fights.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And also, you know, one of the things Ted Kennedy did.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Ted Kennedy was a liar of the Senate, and he

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>raised up He trained generations of left wingers who went

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>and populated all of government, did enormous damage to the country. Right,

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm working very hard to train young conservatives libertarians to

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>go and fight for the constitution. That's a lot of fun.

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'd rather do that, not just in the Senate,

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>but here. I'm glad you're staying in the fight in

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>both places. And we've got a lot more to get

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.199
<v Speaker 1>to because we've got the final verdict on impeachment. But

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to say we don't have the final Verdict podcast,

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and we will be back with a lot more to

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>look not just backward on this force of an impeachment trial,

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>but to look forward at what is at stake coming up.

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much to everybody who has made this

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>podcast such a big success. Please head on over if

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't mind, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.959
<v Speaker 1>you listen to your podcasts and leave a five star review,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and we'll be back with a whole lot more. I'm

0:28:54.160 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael Knowles. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. This episode

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of Verdict with Ted Cruz is being brought to you

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>by Jobs, Freedom and Security Pack, a political action committee

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to supporting conservative causes, organizations, and candidates across the country.

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty two, Jobs Freedom and Security Pack plans

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to donate to conservative candidates running for Congress and help

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party across the nation.