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Speaker 1: gentlemen are undrafted free agent safeties to play for the
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Speaker 1: with this thing for a good hour talking football and
Speaker 1: other things, and and other. Speaking of other things, let
Speaker 1: me let me tell you a little bit about McCrae man.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about McRae man. So over the weekend,
Speaker 1: I see my man over there, schlab and these ribs up,
Speaker 1: got the crawlfish, got the what else you had over
Speaker 1: the corn potato, all that goodness, all that goodness. So
Speaker 1: I reached out. I'm like, yo, keep bringing something up
Speaker 1: for you know what I man? New He just you know,
Speaker 1: bring a little plate up for us. My bad said not,
Speaker 1: let me don't mess with y'all like that. I said, Oh,
Speaker 1: let me tell you first of all, let me explain.
Speaker 1: So my grandfather came down, who was a Vietnam Vet.
Speaker 1: He came down, uh, and that's the first time I've
Speaker 1: seen on about four years. So he came down with
Speaker 1: my mom, my auntie, my cousin came over. So all
Speaker 1: that food you've seen was split between like nine and two.
Speaker 1: It was gonna a time, two ribs, two pieces of chicken,
Speaker 1: and it's a macaroni that was, you know. So he
Speaker 1: and Miami, you know, talking about bring me a plate
Speaker 1: up to the star like my bad, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: my bad usually throwing down on the stuff. But let's
Speaker 1: let's let's get so just so you know, Neui. Memorial
Speaker 1: Day is a huge, huge day, for a huge weekend
Speaker 1: for for athletes, specifically for NFL athletes, because you get
Speaker 1: the lone weekend and it's right before you go in
Speaker 1: to your the second week of ots and me ke stuff.
Speaker 1: So everybody gets that little camaraderie, you know, and then
Speaker 1: they usually land in Vegas or my auntie, depending on
Speaker 1: how much money you got. My man Church went to
Speaker 1: Miammie you know, and that's and it's expensive about that, Okay, Vegas,
Speaker 1: you can kind of get away with some stuff. We
Speaker 1: used to have some days. More day used to be
Speaker 1: a fun time. You used to come back all type
Speaker 1: of dehydra number the voca to keep you here talking
Speaker 1: about I'll tell you he knows that whole that tool was.
Speaker 1: That was that Wednesday practice. Man, that was nothing. Everybody
Speaker 1: was in there, you as was not even practice. Everybody
Speaker 1: was dehydrated. I need I need to lecture lights. Give
Speaker 1: me the IV, give me the high v We just
Speaker 1: warmed up. We didn't practice. But that's how it is.
Speaker 1: You just landed Monday night trying to catch up on
Speaker 1: Tuesday Wednesday. You like, look here, man, all I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do is not pull a muscle. The most packed
Speaker 1: room in the locker room gonna be that sauna. Everybody
Speaker 1: and their mom piling into that sauna trying to get
Speaker 1: it out there pours. Man. It's rough, man, it's rough,
Speaker 1: but but it's but it's needed though, you know, because
Speaker 1: you're going into the season to be here, and once
Speaker 1: the season is here, you rolling you ain't going nowhere. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so this is good. This is good. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we have this conversation. You guys were Vets. A rookie's
Speaker 1: falling into the same thing of having enjoyed the Memorial
Speaker 1: or that weekend too much. Well, no, I don't know
Speaker 1: about too much. I know that if you're a rookie
Speaker 1: that you should probably be staying in the city that
Speaker 1: you're playing in and enjoying those Memorial Day festivt. It's
Speaker 1: a long weekend. Yes, you got to get away from
Speaker 1: the game. You can go have your drink, go chill
Speaker 1: with some family, eat some barbecue, stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you a VET and you you know your way
Speaker 1: around that, you know your body, you know what you're
Speaker 1: getting into, then yeah, do what you gotta do because
Speaker 1: you should be responsible enough to know yourself. And exactly
Speaker 1: like you said, if you rookie, you gotta stay around
Speaker 1: this area. But also the Vets, if they missed OTA
Speaker 1: here and there, you know they're not gonna get too
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna get to too much after the vest.
Speaker 1: Like if the law missed the OTA, he'll come back,
Speaker 1: he'll be the back to. If a rookie, man, you
Speaker 1: hearing about it for the whole week you was here
Speaker 1: on Monday. You would have saw that you was here
Speaker 1: on Monday, you would have saw that. So Memorial Day
Speaker 1: they expect you to build it. That's yeah. I know
Speaker 1: the week, that next week, that next week, miss you,
Speaker 1: miss you come back. Hey man, coach, I think I
Speaker 1: need to sit out of practice to day. I might
Speaker 1: have I need a VET day. Then you're a rookie
Speaker 1: and you have that issue, then you got a problem.
Speaker 1: That's why it's you know, voluntary, voluntary, voluntary, voluntary man
Speaker 1: tour exactly, that exactly. Shout out to Lamark Jackson for
Speaker 1: reminded everybody. Yes, they are voluntary. They voluntary. Leave me
Speaker 1: alone when an MVP you can say that, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can say that in league start for quarterbacks. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can decide to do the Kyler Murray's not showing him.
Speaker 1: You can do that. You can do that, you know.
Speaker 1: But if these rookies out here or or you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're tered still, you need to be here. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you need to be here. You need to be ready
Speaker 1: to go, especially you know, you know we're talking about
Speaker 1: the officer lines. You know how how we performed last
Speaker 1: year at that position. Yes, we need to be getting
Speaker 1: all of the practice that we possibly can. And if
Speaker 1: you're in competition with somebody, you don't want to get
Speaker 1: the other person get that leg up like I'm making
Speaker 1: sure I'm in if I'm battling with another stake that
Speaker 1: I'm making sure I'm at all the ota, all the practices.
Speaker 1: I'm over there. What's up, coach? And now let's talk
Speaker 1: about this for a little bit, y'all. You want to
Speaker 1: break this down. Even though I knew how to you
Speaker 1: know what what the coverage was? This new this new thing.
Speaker 1: What we're doing here, coach? How are we doing this?
Speaker 1: To be sitting there asking you? Yeah, so he covered
Speaker 1: three I'll be like, bro, you've been running even though
Speaker 1: you don't want to know that. He looked like he
Speaker 1: like he into into a coach, I'm into fifteen yards.
Speaker 1: But what if this happens there's somebody get over route
Speaker 1: mark play fifteen? What if I want to move back
Speaker 1: to sixteen? I'm good then, right, coach, I'll be like church, church,
Speaker 1: exact place, church years six. Don't look at this, dude,
Speaker 1: like your church. When we do what disguises, We've been
Speaker 1: doing the same disguise for the past three years. I
Speaker 1: just need to know that's how we're doing. You just
Speaker 1: want them to know. When they had the meetings and
Speaker 1: they talked old churches, you know what he not. That
Speaker 1: guy knows what he's doings. Can we get three four churches?
Speaker 1: He asked church as a leader. He no, that's dude,
Speaker 1: that's the total. And then there's a thing line because
Speaker 1: he'd be like, man, I don't know when church? That
Speaker 1: would you think about church? And said code, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's still asked me about covering three. He's in year
Speaker 1: eight asking me how how many how many deep defenders
Speaker 1: we got to cover the sand? For the dollar fruit
Speaker 1: he got the group, he got the bathroom shot. Obviously
Speaker 1: you got two bags. Now this is because the bag
Speaker 1: here wasn't as big as the one shot got him.
Speaker 1: Y'all be sleeping on the first twelve that he got. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was twelve plus one shot the boys. I can't
Speaker 1: there on the school to boys like man. I have noticed,
Speaker 1: DUDEY ain't doing what I think he's doing. I'm just scooting,
Speaker 1: just scooting the long happy. Yeah, I'll tell you what man,
Speaker 1: players Lash Hotel, Barry Church, Danny mc craig knew we scrugs.
Speaker 1: I want to read these names to you, and I
Speaker 1: just want to get your reaction, okay, Uh, Dennis Houston,
Speaker 1: Jaquari Robertson, Michael Gallup, Tie Fry Fogel, t J Vasher,
Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert, do Ontario, Drummond, Brandon Smith, Semi Fit Hoko,
Speaker 1: James Washington, Noah Brown, Ceedee Lamb. Those are your receivers
Speaker 1: right now on the roster, twelve of them. Shelman, thoughts,
Speaker 1: do we think that that that receiving cord that you
Speaker 1: just named off or aout the receiving core because a
Speaker 1: lot of those cats won't make the team, But that
Speaker 1: receiving group right there, do we think they can do
Speaker 1: some damage? I mean, Gallabay might not even be there
Speaker 1: for the first five weeks, Semi for Hoko, who hasn't
Speaker 1: had to catch his whole rookie season. We got Toldbert
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, Ceedee Lamb. He's proved that he can
Speaker 1: do some damage in this league. But can't he do
Speaker 1: it by himself when he doesn't have somebody over there
Speaker 1: taking some coverage away from him? Can he do that?
Speaker 1: We have to find out. But to me, that receiving
Speaker 1: corps it's locking some some some pop, some explosiveness. A man.
Speaker 1: If I'm a secondary, If I'm in a play for
Speaker 1: the Eagles or the Giants and I'm in their secondary
Speaker 1: and we going against Dallas, I'm like, ain't no, you
Speaker 1: know there, ain't no. You gotta match this guy over here,
Speaker 1: you gotta match that guy over there. I would feel
Speaker 1: extremely confident in my secondary going against going against Dods
Speaker 1: cow Boys. I'm just that's just high dealing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty good about about going against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: if I'm playing defensive back. You know, on paper, right,
Speaker 1: we haven't we haven't seen a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: be able to get out there and see what they
Speaker 1: could do with that. Like I said James Washington, he
Speaker 1: has the ability to be a good receiver if he
Speaker 1: catches the ball right. Once he gets the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands, he's fine. Ceedee lamb. We know can be
Speaker 1: a top player. They just have to be able to
Speaker 1: utilize him in the ways that he is best utilized. Right,
Speaker 1: So when he gets the ball in his hands, he
Speaker 1: is unstoppable pretty much. Right. You get him some bubble screens,
Speaker 1: you get him some short passes, let him catch and run.
Speaker 1: I think he's okay. None of this matters though, all right,
Speaker 1: because like I'm going to continue to say, it depends
Speaker 1: on what the offensive coordinator does with these weapons. What
Speaker 1: are we going to do? Are we going to make sure,
Speaker 1: like I said, when it's third and five, it's CD
Speaker 1: Lamb gonna get the ball. Are we gonna see Noah
Speaker 1: Brown be one of the guys that Dak is looking for? Right?
Speaker 1: Are you going to make sure that you the reason
Speaker 1: why you picked CD Lamb in the first round because
Speaker 1: you wanted him to be a des Brian type player.
Speaker 1: Are you going to allow him to be that? Because
Speaker 1: what we've seen was they didn't allow Amark Cooper to
Speaker 1: do that. So until you get that together, it don't
Speaker 1: matter who you got playing receiver. Man, they just gonna
Speaker 1: be running the roster's on the paper and they're gonna
Speaker 1: be expecting Dad to make the right read and those
Speaker 1: guys to catch the ball. But as far as like
Speaker 1: one of those stars who was going to change the game,
Speaker 1: if you ain't called them the right plays, then we're
Speaker 1: not gonna see it that way. We've seen it throughout
Speaker 1: the league, especially last year. If you got that bona
Speaker 1: fide stud receiver. You gotta found ways to give him
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, we looked at La what Stafford
Speaker 1: does with Cooper cup He got the Triple Cown for
Speaker 1: receiving yards, touchdowns, receptions. He was a big part of
Speaker 1: that offense. Did you look at DeVonta you Adams in
Speaker 1: Denver or not Denver in Green Bay? And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying we had those pieces. But the way that we're
Speaker 1: putting CD CD Lamb on a pedestal saying he's just
Speaker 1: number one guy and he's an upgrade over Mark Cooper
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, you would think they would they
Speaker 1: would figure out a way to specialize this guy and
Speaker 1: make him get the ball as much as possible. But
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we're gonna do that. They pay a
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper twenty million a year and did not and
Speaker 1: they still didn't give us what I'm saying. They still
Speaker 1: didn't give him the rock like like like we thought
Speaker 1: they should. So it's gotta be a tough situation, but
Speaker 1: you got it. If it's Kelling Moore, you got to
Speaker 1: figure like, this is the guy that's gonna make our
Speaker 1: passing attack go, So we gotta figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get him the ball. And he's got it can't
Speaker 1: be scheme over player. It has to be player over scheme.
Speaker 1: And if we're getting bubble screens and deep overs in
Speaker 1: those special plays, it needs to be going to number
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Dalton shows may get more kids than CD
Speaker 1: LAMB and if they run the same office they do,
Speaker 1: we run it like we ran it last year. He
Speaker 1: would be he who have more kids. I can see
Speaker 1: that happening too. So last week we saw James Washington
Speaker 1: in the boot. I practice, what was that on about?
Speaker 1: And ain't looking too good that he's in the boot?
Speaker 1: Big T Smith, Go Okay. I thought we was gonna
Speaker 1: wait for I thought he was gonna wait for that,
Speaker 1: wait that wa that wait for that wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait for that wait. But my man's in the boot,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's but for him. I don't think
Speaker 1: he has that much of an injury history for us
Speaker 1: to be really worried about it, like saying it is
Speaker 1: voluntary OTAs. At the moment, I still think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to pick up with the offenses. I think
Speaker 1: his one the one knock on him to me from
Speaker 1: what I've seen from him when he was in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: was being able to hold onto the ball, being able
Speaker 1: to catch the ball. He's usually in the right spot,
Speaker 1: he's usually when he catches, he usually usually going to
Speaker 1: make a play or run after the catch. But he
Speaker 1: has to hold on to the ball. And I think
Speaker 1: that just goes with refocusing and getting on those jugs.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that him being in the boot
Speaker 1: right now it's gonna set him back as much as
Speaker 1: it was set maybe a Tyler Smith and he he
Speaker 1: was in the boot right now when he really needs
Speaker 1: to be out there learning his footwork and getting his
Speaker 1: hand placement right. You don't think James and that need
Speaker 1: to get that connection going throughout this ota. I think
Speaker 1: I think they do, But I don't think it's something
Speaker 1: that will stop him from being that type of player, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, if he's going to get the routes
Speaker 1: like we see, we've seen guys like nor Brown stepping
Speaker 1: in last year. When you say that they got a connection,
Speaker 1: they've been it wasn't like Amari Cooper and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like Ceedee Lamb, Like They're gonna find a way for
Speaker 1: the guy to get open on some routes. He just
Speaker 1: needs to know the playbook. So I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. So that's the right set the wide receiver
Speaker 1: room and seeing people talk about that, there's question marks
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a very interesting UM as
Speaker 1: they continue. The olt isn't going to minicamp here is
Speaker 1: what are they going to do? Especially week one, UM
Speaker 1: two and three, because that's when Michael Gallus right now
Speaker 1: not expected to be a part of this lineup. So
Speaker 1: let's see what happened to here. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of talking heads are bringing up Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like it's a lot to try
Speaker 1: to put a third round rookie from South Alabama that
Speaker 1: I just that's a lot a lot. That's a lot. Man.
Speaker 1: Is this a guy that was like, I'm coming in
Speaker 1: to change the culture? Is that was that him who
Speaker 1: was coming to here to change the car? Thinking about
Speaker 1: how the coach is in the officeive coordinating with me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I said, listen, when I see
Speaker 1: him be able to line up guys so he can
Speaker 1: use whatever they do best to get them, you know,
Speaker 1: in the end zone, to get him the first down,
Speaker 1: then I'm okay with that. But until I see that,
Speaker 1: I'm not with it. I've seen Cde Lamb run like
Speaker 1: two jet sweeps and he was on any other team.
Speaker 1: All Right, the dude would be getting the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands any way you could get it to him.
Speaker 1: He's great with the ball after you know, after catch
Speaker 1: yards have to catch. He's one of the best in
Speaker 1: the league in my opinion. It's just can't we get
Speaker 1: him the ball. That's the that's that's that's the whole
Speaker 1: the ball couldn't get cooped. Yeah, career, Yeah, get about.
Speaker 1: Let's move to that offensive line. I got conversation for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is otaser continuing here out at the start
Speaker 1: where we do the show, some possible good news for
Speaker 1: the offensive line, not just the Cowboys officer, but for
Speaker 1: for thirty offensive lines across the thirty one offensive lines
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Aaron Donald's talking about he may retire, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: many played on this right here on the schedule. Is
Speaker 1: this is why it matters because they are on the
Speaker 1: schedule October ninth, just out there and uh and uh
Speaker 1: that awesome stadium in Englewood. So yeah, October nine, Rams
Speaker 1: Cowboys three twenty five on Fox. So Aaron Donald may
Speaker 1: not be there, don't get your hopes up. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you who better hope he ain't there. How about okay,
Speaker 1: the whole league retire. Yeah, go ahead, I'm for it. Aaron,
Speaker 1: get out while your kids be like Jim Brown, he
Speaker 1: accomplished everything in eight years. Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: I been. But the thing is, Man, when guys are
Speaker 1: still playing at that level and they start talk about
Speaker 1: retiring the minute they sit out for a month two
Speaker 1: months and they realized that, Man, I can still do
Speaker 1: this and I'm actually bored at home. Good time. That's
Speaker 1: what they so I wouldn't get my hopes up to
Speaker 1: man just coming off a Super Bowl, just came off
Speaker 1: a great season to where he's making some of the
Speaker 1: biggest plays to get them to get them that win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't know. His father in
Speaker 1: law's on on the staff. His white worked for the
Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I think he's still around the
Speaker 1: squad too much. He can have a lot of people
Speaker 1: in his ear saying, hey, man, I think we could
Speaker 1: do this again. He's also looking for another contract. That's
Speaker 1: what he went from the highest pay the the six,
Speaker 1: six or seventh highest paid defender in the league, and
Speaker 1: he's obviously, in my opinion, the best, well we knew
Speaker 1: about the rams. They're gonna figure out what you gonna
Speaker 1: figure out the way if they want to find some
Speaker 1: duckets somewhere somewhere, they want to have a draft pick.
Speaker 1: Till twenty fifty were drafted, nobody nobody getting. If you
Speaker 1: ate up on it as already you ate Covin man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. But they want a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: We ain't done. And here is a gentleman in a
Speaker 1: very interesting position that most people never get to in
Speaker 1: professional So it's because it's that hard. He can walk
Speaker 1: away right now, he's credentialed to go to pro progardings.
Speaker 1: You're going whole fun. I mean, it's it. You've got
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls, you've got the multiple Players of the Year,
Speaker 1: the multiple All pros. I mean, he has a resume
Speaker 1: that is not just worthy, but it's up there with
Speaker 1: some of the best. I would say so, and I
Speaker 1: considered me Joe Green to be the best interior defensive
Speaker 1: lineman playing the National Football League in its history changed
Speaker 1: the whole culture. You took a culture changer, the greatest
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh see Larrever. The only thing that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: over Joe is three more rings because Joe got four
Speaker 1: and it was a team the seventies. But Duke walk
Speaker 1: away right now and just just right down the date
Speaker 1: like when man he walked okay two thous what I
Speaker 1: mean you just know five years from now he's going in. Um,
Speaker 1: how many people do that? Though? Oh oh it's rare.
Speaker 1: It is rare, too big. Calvin Johnson's the last one
Speaker 1: I can think of. Hey, man, buye. He ain't got
Speaker 1: no supervoto. You're walking away and they're going to put
Speaker 1: a gold jacket on he did what nine? His situation
Speaker 1: was way worse than the oh yeahs yeah, the situation
Speaker 1: was much worse than what the rams, who have the
Speaker 1: potential to repeat, versus what Calvin Johnson was walking away from.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, the organizations didn't even do him. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how he was like, Man, I'm done with I
Speaker 1: know what Barry sand that. Barry, I know how you feel,
Speaker 1: so yes. But but for Aaron in the sense of
Speaker 1: you've checked the bottom, what boxes they're left to check?
Speaker 1: Other than I want you to do it again, to
Speaker 1: check the boxes? That's it. I mean, it's crazy to
Speaker 1: me how dominant that guy is and the interior part
Speaker 1: of the defense, like I can see, you know, t J.
Speaker 1: Wine and guys on the house side putting up these
Speaker 1: ridiculous numbers because most of the time they're one on one,
Speaker 1: let somebody's chipping them from the outside. They're one on one,
Speaker 1: they get a better opportunity. But this guy's putting up
Speaker 1: ridiculous sack numbers, getting double teams and triple team literally
Speaker 1: entire game. I mean, we've seen what he did to
Speaker 1: us when we played him. Was like last year he
Speaker 1: went through I think Zach Martin and picked up Zeke
Speaker 1: and threw him into the dock. And I'm like, this
Speaker 1: dude is he's on another level. Man, He's on another level.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like. I ain't never seen nobody
Speaker 1: build like the dude like Tyren Smith came in and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Tyring is he's a different type
Speaker 1: of animal when you book, when you're looking at h
Speaker 1: Trent Williams Bill versus the Tyrant Smith's build. Right, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald looked like a defensive back. Yeah yeah, ain't no
Speaker 1: fat on him. He just ripped cut two hundred almost
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds and as quick as a defensive back,
Speaker 1: which is why he gives those guards trouble. JO move
Speaker 1: on these dude, sometimes not even using power. I've not
Speaker 1: seen the dude built that way playing in that position
Speaker 1: most of the time. When you think about an interior
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, those dudes got a little ba not him,
Speaker 1: not him. Until The interesting thing about for Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: is you go back and you read the scouting reports
Speaker 1: on him. He too small, short arms. I was talking
Speaker 1: to someone about that the other day and in the
Speaker 1: scouting industry and they know, oh yeah, And as he said,
Speaker 1: he said, this was something that it was massively talked about,
Speaker 1: people like blowing the guy off, like too short doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was amazing and I'll never forget my frustration.
Speaker 1: I no skin in the game on this, but watching
Speaker 1: the Detroit lines who letting Dominican Sue go to free agency,
Speaker 1: and they had also drafted Nick Fairley and decided they
Speaker 1: were done with him. So I think they were sitting
Speaker 1: tenth in that draft. Well, to me, it was obvious
Speaker 1: if you're losing these two players, then go get go
Speaker 1: get Aaron Donald, because you're still in division with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know if Cutler was still
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But bottom line is, dudes are throwing the
Speaker 1: ball in your division. Go get Aaron Donald, they go
Speaker 1: draft air ebro to tight end for North Carolina. What
Speaker 1: are we doing? What are we? What are we? No,
Speaker 1: you can throw the ball. You you better stop somebody
Speaker 1: in this division. And I in my mind, I'm always
Speaker 1: thinking drafting. In the draft world, you gotta win your
Speaker 1: division first. Who's on top of your division? How do
Speaker 1: you go match it? It's kind of like everybody in
Speaker 1: the West. What's Kansas City got going on? Figure that
Speaker 1: out and get something defensive backs, do something to help
Speaker 1: yourself here. No, they're gonna go out and get another
Speaker 1: pass catcher to a dude who doesn't like throwing to
Speaker 1: the tighten anyway. Your quarterback on the throw, he was
Speaker 1: trying to go down the field. What what are we
Speaker 1: getting tight there for? And it's not like you're using
Speaker 1: him like he Travis Counsel or anything. It just frustrated
Speaker 1: me with Detroit, Mark May you got fired and down
Speaker 1: I'm like, you should get fired. How do you not
Speaker 1: take this, dude? Mistakes were made. People aren't tobody. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, take the best player you know, don't don't
Speaker 1: don't draft for need. I'm sorry, I disagree with that
Speaker 1: all day long. You had a need, right, you need
Speaker 1: to stop some quarterbacks, right, Why are we taking a
Speaker 1: tight end? Listen, well, listen for all of us and
Speaker 1: all of the football fans out there, I am ecstatic
Speaker 1: and so happy that the Detroit lines did not draft
Speaker 1: the guy. Okay, thank you. I'm glad he's in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and I'm glad he is doing what he's doing
Speaker 1: out there. We did not want to see him go
Speaker 1: to Detroit and let his career with her away like
Speaker 1: we've seen many guys. You just talked about Nick Fairley.
Speaker 1: I remember Nick Fairley when he was at Arbor and
Speaker 1: he was wrecking game, wrecking games and went out to
Speaker 1: the Detroit. What happened and Dominican sue all Right, went
Speaker 1: out there the Detroit and now he made some plays,
Speaker 1: but other than that, he wasn't going to win a championship.
Speaker 1: He wasn't making none of the noise. And he's been
Speaker 1: making a Tampa like like, yeah, that is that is
Speaker 1: the traj trajectory of your career and base it off.
Speaker 1: What has happened to guys like Nick Fairley and Dominican
Speaker 1: Sue and Calvin Johnson when you go to Detroit and
Speaker 1: granf but but but bless less be every he got
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, graveyard, man, it is you know when
Speaker 1: you just spent that the work graveyard. Hey, I used
Speaker 1: to be good that went to Detroit as hard as
Speaker 1: a defender. You know when your seasons over by week ten,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I gotta go back out here and
Speaker 1: play again. I gotta go out head for six more weeks.
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. As hard as you beat by Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers every year twice beat down the cowboys get Detroit
Speaker 1: by the way, October twenty second, twenty third, say golf
Speaker 1: him in the town Detroit, swift. They got some piece,
Speaker 1: they got some pieces, but they're stowing far away away. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna talk to mess about it right now
Speaker 1: because we you know, we started off on the officer
Speaker 1: of line conversation and we still got some work to
Speaker 1: do it that that it entirely except Zach Martin, Yes,
Speaker 1: fifteen offensive linemen right now, there are there are question marks.
Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernin, by the way, got the first team reps
Speaker 1: uh the OTAs at left guard, and then the rookie
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith was backing him up. So they're but wait,
Speaker 1: was he's standing right behind him or they was he
Speaker 1: was with the second tag because I'm I can guarantee
Speaker 1: you that McGovern is filling the heat right now. What
Speaker 1: I doubt he see that he a Memorial Day. He
Speaker 1: better not to be party now I'm governed, dude, right
Speaker 1: on your tail right now. He got drafted in the
Speaker 1: first round and they are waiting for you to make
Speaker 1: a mistake or show that you haven't improved your anchor
Speaker 1: and your ability to stop moving back into Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: because if you don't, once you get the pads on,
Speaker 1: that spot is gone. And from mcgovernor, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: take one one one, one on ones. And they're at
Speaker 1: camp and he gets beat bad and one on ones
Speaker 1: and that is all it's gonna take because he got
Speaker 1: that first round pedigree behind him. If he gets beat
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, they're gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's start, let's start rotating here a little bit. Let's
Speaker 1: see what he could do with the first you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing that might save him though the health
Speaker 1: of our left out. Okay, so let me ask this
Speaker 1: question here, since you guys played. If McGovern wins this job,
Speaker 1: then what does it say it says he won't have
Speaker 1: it for loan because we we we know that well,
Speaker 1: since I've been here with the Cowboys, we know that
Speaker 1: they've given guys opportunities to lose their spot. So even
Speaker 1: if if let's say Tyler Smith and McGovern are playing
Speaker 1: YO here and Tyler Smith is playing a little bit better,
Speaker 1: I still think they're gonna give mcgovernor that that opportunity
Speaker 1: to lose his job. You think he's gonna play Week
Speaker 1: one who mcgovernor? Yeah, absolutely, I think unless he goes
Speaker 1: out there and stinks it up, like if they're playing
Speaker 1: you know, if it's about equal, I think McGovern's gonna
Speaker 1: get the shot based on experience that he's going to
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to play. Give you an example, Leo
Speaker 1: Collins last year, what do you mean, my man? My
Speaker 1: man one out there? Okay, he was playing, However he's playing.
Speaker 1: He missed five games on his for his for the
Speaker 1: reasons of his own decisions that he made. All right,
Speaker 1: my man still's playing great, playing greater at right tackle.
Speaker 1: What happens when Leo gets back in put right back
Speaker 1: in there. We said on this show the whole time
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, what should they do when Leo
Speaker 1: gets back? We all said the same thing. Man still
Speaker 1: is out the bottom. But we knew it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: There we go. What happened Jason with Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I know that's different, but people were talking about
Speaker 1: him being a progress stopper in the tight end rule
Speaker 1: that I came back like, we have a history of
Speaker 1: doing this. So yeah, I think that mcconmcgovern's gonna get
Speaker 1: his shot unless he goes out there he is horrible,
Speaker 1: and then I think he probably lasked to like week
Speaker 1: week three, just based off the competition that we're playing
Speaker 1: against in the first three four weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: I think he lasts to like week three before Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith gets his shot to be a starter. I definitely
Speaker 1: think if if Tyd Smith doesn't get hurt, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith, he doesn't get hurt, I think you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be starting week one now. I just
Speaker 1: think they put too much into him as a you know,
Speaker 1: first round draft choice, especially with the struggles that McGovern
Speaker 1: had last year. I think he'll get the full benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt and he'll end up you know, starting
Speaker 1: in there. But if he does it for some wild reason,
Speaker 1: barring no injury, that McGovern gets that starting job, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's a you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say it's a waste, but it's like, i'd rather have
Speaker 1: somebody in that first round that's gonna help me right now.
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, a project or building process,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's what we got going on right now.
Speaker 1: I think he's a lot of a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys that we got in these first couple of rounds,
Speaker 1: they're projects, and they're they're extremely talented, but they're wrong
Speaker 1: when it comes to technique out there. So I'd rather
Speaker 1: prefer somebody that can help me out day one, and
Speaker 1: hopefully Tyder Smith is that guy. So what goes into
Speaker 1: this as a player when you know this is your
Speaker 1: last year under contract. For Connor recovered, this is this
Speaker 1: is his last year. So so not only are you trying,
Speaker 1: you're you're really you're trying to get a new contract here.
Speaker 1: But we do know in the National Football League there's
Speaker 1: a there's a problem trying to find good quality offensive line.
Speaker 1: So if it's not here, this is a young man
Speaker 1: who will he will play somewhere else in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. But how much money you're making is going
Speaker 1: to be determined by him. Now, Connor Williams got paid
Speaker 1: last year and that wasn't a contract, but he found
Speaker 1: a new home, he got paid. So so Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: can be on that same same type of projectory. But
Speaker 1: what goes through a player's mind? How do you approach
Speaker 1: your last year with the team. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: how how Ron Leary did it? Basically because he was
Speaker 1: in a contract year and I think that was the
Speaker 1: same year Lyell came in there, I believe, and they
Speaker 1: basically they gave la job starting job, and so Learry.
Speaker 1: You know, he could have went about it a bunch
Speaker 1: of different ways. He could have, you know, powered complaint
Speaker 1: and just you know, shut down the whole season and
Speaker 1: just said forget it. You know, that's just not where
Speaker 1: I'm at, and then he wouldn't have got that huge
Speaker 1: contract he got with the Demo Broncos. But I think
Speaker 1: the way he played it was perfect. I mean, he
Speaker 1: said he was upset about it, of course, but he
Speaker 1: kept an internal and just kept grinding and kept grinding along,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened. I don't know if
Speaker 1: somebody got hurt something, but he slid back into that
Speaker 1: starting lineup and didn't reliquish that job. He ended up
Speaker 1: getting paid and having a huge contract with Denver. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of ways you can go
Speaker 1: about it. But if you do end up getting that
Speaker 1: backup spot, you know, you know you're gonna be unhappy
Speaker 1: about it, but you gotta continue to grow and hopefully
Speaker 1: you get that second opportunity to go out there and
Speaker 1: show what you can do. Yeah, And for me, I
Speaker 1: think the off season the huge for a mc governor,
Speaker 1: right coming off of the performance that he had last year,
Speaker 1: knowing that his space, his spot maybe up for grabs,
Speaker 1: and then watching the drafting them, seeing him seeing them
Speaker 1: pick up officsive Lineman. His focus this off season has
Speaker 1: to be tight. He has to get bigger, stronger. He
Speaker 1: knows what his weaknesses are and he has to be
Speaker 1: better at those things and he has to know that,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know, my leash is short, very short leash.
Speaker 1: And if I go out here and I'm not focused
Speaker 1: and i have a bad day, I have a bad
Speaker 1: couple of days and I let that turn into a
Speaker 1: bad week. That might be a bad year for me
Speaker 1: because then I got a guy who's been drafting in
Speaker 1: the first round who can come take my spot. So
Speaker 1: you don't have any room for error. And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes depending on what type of competitor you are, that
Speaker 1: lets you have your best years. When you see guys
Speaker 1: like Tank Lawrence like not taking the I mean getting
Speaker 1: put on the franchise tag year in a year out
Speaker 1: of saying I'm gonna bet on myself. He knows that
Speaker 1: the merger for Air is very small, right, They're looking
Speaker 1: for any reason not to pay you twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. Same thing with the McGovern they're looking for
Speaker 1: any reason not to have you on the roster and
Speaker 1: not have to even think about paying you next season
Speaker 1: because they drafted somebody in the first round. So you
Speaker 1: have to use that as a chip on your shoulder
Speaker 1: to go out there and say, man, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do everything that I possibly can to get better and
Speaker 1: play to the best of my ability, so they so
Speaker 1: they can't say nothing about it at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Orlando scandred to me, that was the perfect
Speaker 1: the perfect example, or just or you drafting this guy
Speaker 1: to come and replace me, that chip on the shoulder
Speaker 1: just got either bigger and it was it was a
Speaker 1: big you know f to everybody else there. I mean
Speaker 1: he he was because basically, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: they got somebody at his position every single year a
Speaker 1: year there. Ay, whether it was Moe, whether it was
Speaker 1: you know, it was just we got a corner. Everything
Speaker 1: they should and the passingly guys you should. But he
Speaker 1: knew and he held on to that job for ten,
Speaker 1: ten eleven years because he had that chip on the
Speaker 1: shoulder and saying, I don't care who you draft. I
Speaker 1: was a fifth round are you're not taking my spots?
Speaker 1: He said, a lot of dudes come and go to
Speaker 1: and he lived up to it. So good for Orlando.
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Speaker 1: You guys are big time fantasy football players. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one thing, and we're coming in the show.
Speaker 1: You guys are in the league. Gather. Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in too, I'm in back back. I'm bad. I
Speaker 1: want you know I went first year was the first
Speaker 1: year was bad. That was my first year ever. Last
Speaker 1: place that was it was something like that. I wanted
Speaker 1: the playoffs at the end of the the regular season.
Speaker 1: I was last. When they do the losers bracket, you know,
Speaker 1: Constellation out. I can't. I want a consulation bracket anyway.
Speaker 1: Second year, you'll got an N I T version. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a little You don't want to be about
Speaker 1: the only person who was switching out the roster for
Speaker 1: the Constellations. I't, I wasn't. That was my first year.
Speaker 1: I ain't know. Everybody will say a good season. I
Speaker 1: ain't know that was my first year. I'm switching things out.
Speaker 1: I'm out here anyway. Second year, you know I was
Speaker 1: in what I came a third? Came a third or
Speaker 1: second year? Third, second year? Third? And then what about
Speaker 1: what about last year that came in like seven? Seven? Six?
Speaker 1: You know what six? I was in? I was in.
Speaker 1: I was in the playoffs. Okay, I was in the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was first boy. I know my records always up.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm going through three almost every year. Okay, cheating, No, No,
Speaker 1: I cannot cheat it. I'm cheat. He's the commissioner. He
Speaker 1: did to figure out some type of way to cheat.
Speaker 1: All I'm gonna say right now. Okay, so I'm talking
Speaker 1: to you young brothers and and everybody else here who's
Speaker 1: listening on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Please don't end up
Speaker 1: like Tommy fam and Jack Peterson, two major league baseball players.
Speaker 1: When Tommy Fam slapped Jock Peterson out and out and
Speaker 1: before pregame, what will Smith Chris r All that they've
Speaker 1: been watching all this stuff? He went out then slapped
Speaker 1: them and cleared the benches. Well, on the's on two
Speaker 1: opposite teams. Yeah, so they were it's pregame warm up.
Speaker 1: So Tommy Fam plays for the Reds and Peterson plays
Speaker 1: for the Giants. So they played the game, and so
Speaker 1: before the game they're talking and discussing in apparent league.
Speaker 1: Words were exchanged. Tommy Fam didn't like it, so he
Speaker 1: slapped Peterson and you see the video got suspended three games,
Speaker 1: and it was over fantasy football. And Peterson read off
Speaker 1: his aversion of events, and it didn't really add up
Speaker 1: to me because he's like, yeah, I put a guy
Speaker 1: who was supposed to he got he wasn't playing in
Speaker 1: the game, so I moved into ir. He says, you
Speaker 1: can't do that, and then I've brought in someone else.
Speaker 1: I'm like, na, bro, this this is money. You're not
Speaker 1: the only reason you're getting slapped in the face over
Speaker 1: some fantasy for football is this is about money. And
Speaker 1: these are major league baseball players, so they're not sitting
Speaker 1: around here playing for like we played. They probably played
Speaker 1: for some big change. And so when they interview Tommy Fan,
Speaker 1: he came out there and he said, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like did some stuff wrong. It was over me
Speaker 1: a litt about money. It's like, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big player in Las Vegas. So he's like money was involved,
Speaker 1: Like okay, now I get it. Now I get it.
Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure. What did Peterson
Speaker 1: do after he got slapped? Dude, he just took it. No,
Speaker 1: but Chris Ryer, I can see Chris Ryan situation and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I don't even believe in violence.
Speaker 1: Man walked away. The man open slapped you. This is
Speaker 1: this is what happened. When you know you owe somebody's money,
Speaker 1: you ain't gave him. He knew he was. He probably was.
Speaker 1: He'd probably been looking for this dude for months and
Speaker 1: foots like that. When I see you find it when
Speaker 1: I see you now, and you know the man you
Speaker 1: gotta keep the hands up. Thought he was in a
Speaker 1: safe space TV. So Tommy fam Is taught me Fams
Speaker 1: about that life, taught me fame that guy. Man. You though,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, that man didn't want to go with
Speaker 1: Tommy Fan but I'll just let beat down. You can't
Speaker 1: let the man just slap you. I mean, I'm with
Speaker 1: you because had he thrown one or two back, there
Speaker 1: was a baseball somebody's gonna come back. They came anyway.
Speaker 1: You could have tied to it backed up. But that's
Speaker 1: just what one one like you said. You know you're wrong,
Speaker 1: You're wrong, you old somehow. Number two. I'm telling me
Speaker 1: he didn't that from timing from Tommy fam Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: he just Timmy will Smith for the same category. Now, Man,
Speaker 1: they're slapping folks out here, you know, on the main stage,
Speaker 1: and the people they're slapping this, they're so lost, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well he did it for real right here. It just
Speaker 1: slapped me, probably slapped. You be confused when you get
Speaker 1: slapped like that. You're just like, man, you're gonna slap
Speaker 1: me like that? Listen, Okay, everybody understand your league rules. Police,
Speaker 1: understand your league rules. And let's let's not have the consolation.
Speaker 1: Let's not have that this fault. Let's not have that
Speaker 1: this fault. No, you get your trophy back this year.
Speaker 1: I already gave back. Man. Now are you getting your
Speaker 1: trophy back? Oh? My? Getting it back this year? Um? Rap,
Speaker 1: so far away from thinking about this, man, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I got school again. Man. My mind is when
Speaker 1: it comes, it'll come. I'll just do what I do
Speaker 1: I play, don't get a trophy to shout, I don't
Speaker 1: like my drafting, heaving with I plan on to be
Speaker 1: a top notch like it always is. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always around there. You know, I'm like
Speaker 1: Carolina man, they know it ain't know who I am.
Speaker 1: You're always in and you ain't in the playoffs that
Speaker 1: this would be the first year, one of the first
Speaker 1: years with Christian McCaffrey is probably not getting one or
Speaker 1: two last year too, I don't see him going to
Speaker 1: this is Jonathan Taylor probably be right there at the
Speaker 1: top of the list. Got last year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta think about christ McCaffrey and Zeke. I don't
Speaker 1: know when people are picking these two guys, but three
Speaker 1: years ago you're fighting over the fighting over I gotta
Speaker 1: get Zeke. So you got Dalvind Cook, you got Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Jones. Keep going a little bit that
Speaker 1: you might get to Zeke. And so I'll tell your
Speaker 1: boys Cincinnati. You know, considering, especially when I think about it,
Speaker 1: you got so many other weapons out here that you know,
Speaker 1: you just can't key on a Joe mix and and
Speaker 1: and they're starting throwing the ball more out of the backfielding.
Speaker 1: So there's a guy got chub. I mean, you start
Speaker 1: to think about McAfrey. One of the to me, the
Speaker 1: first thing comes to my mind is you got a
Speaker 1: quarterback issue. You know, if you got quarterback issue, good
Speaker 1: luck he every down back to where he just took.
Speaker 1: You got health issues, You got quarterback issue. When he
Speaker 1: was playing with Cam, you know, they had to think
Speaker 1: about Cam too. So I just don't know if I'd
Speaker 1: be running out here trying to go go do that
Speaker 1: with him with take a Boy from the Chargers or
Speaker 1: the Austin Neclab. Yeah, so I mean, there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go, who'll beat my quarterback? Though? I do
Speaker 1: know that that's a discussion for that. You don't let
Speaker 1: him take Joe Burrow from you. You gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: let him take Joe Burrow from you. He got too much,
Speaker 1: He got a roll. He would sit there and watching
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow smoke his team before he decided to depicting
Speaker 1: before justin Herbert come on with Herbert beat Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I'm just he's still yeah a little seriously, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know how how are you still dying on
Speaker 1: that Hill, Justin Herbert over Joe Burrow. Who had the
Speaker 1: better rookie season Joe Herbert next year, Joe Burrow had
Speaker 1: a better season. Third year up her first time season
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow to Yeah, like we had he played
Speaker 1: thirteen games, or stay in the poc for the fingers,
Speaker 1: stay in the pocket the Bengers go to super Bowl
Speaker 1: next year. Your team madn't even make the Thame playoffs. Coach,
Speaker 1: our coach was that guy. They gave him the time
Speaker 1: he wanted. He wanted to do some You skip bayless
Speaker 1: that they did not make the player. I don't care
Speaker 1: who faulted. He played quarterback for the team they didn't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Okay, so there's nothing we win stock
Speaker 1: when they played each other, you looking stock and now
Speaker 1: we playing stock in the fact that Joe Burrow led
Speaker 1: his team to the Super Bowl last year and your
Speaker 1: quarterback did not leave his team to the playoffs. It happens,
Speaker 1: coach just getting away selling even short. Joe Burrow had
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, had chased down the field open,
Speaker 1: but the offensive line can't block Aaron Donald. This dude
Speaker 1: almost wasn't so uper Bowl went to went to with
Speaker 1: no old line with no old line man, a fifth man.
Speaker 1: If it was if y'all would have made the playoff,
Speaker 1: if he would have took the time, he would have
Speaker 1: been the greatest. But right now, right now, one season,
Speaker 1: look at Joe had a season, had a season? Wait, hello,
Speaker 1: so you go compare Joe Burrow's best season to Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's best season? And where where the Herbert go? What
Speaker 1: you mean where he ain't made the playoff? What did
Speaker 1: he do for us? Did they go to super Bowl? Wait?
Speaker 1: Did they go to the playoffs? The coach decided he
Speaker 1: didn't want to go, so they go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He has down the greatest. Now say you say you
Speaker 1: haven't lost the argument. Ain't nobody lose no argument? Hain't
Speaker 1: nobody lose? No said, Joe Burrow got one, Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: got one. They got So take your team the super
Speaker 1: Bowl in the in the fashion that they did, and
Speaker 1: it's no longer ruler. How many road games the ingles
Speaker 1: right on? The number one seed, number two seed. Here
Speaker 1: we go, we go, They won in Kansas City, they
Speaker 1: came back to I said he was a better quarterback
Speaker 1: last year. He was a better quarterback the first year, though,
Speaker 1: listen better quarterback. Now, who Joe? That's Herbert, Joe Herbert, Herbert,
Speaker 1: Joe her Joe Herbert Joe Herbert because they stay on
Speaker 1: the same level. Okay, okay, so you'll get your opportunities
Speaker 1: to see Wait Joe week two, he might not even
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. You see that division? Yeah, y'all got
Speaker 1: it is Herbert, Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, and h Shaun Watson,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. They might not make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: was playing last season and DeShawn Watson. We don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna play it. If he does though, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm right. Who have received a huge see who have
Speaker 1: received water? Brown watching the news and I don't know.
Speaker 1: You see who at the receiver for the Browns man?
Speaker 1: You see who's at the receiver for the brown We
Speaker 1: haint going. I hate going outdoors, all right? And I
Speaker 1: remember I'm taking the words out of your mouth from
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. We know what happens when
Speaker 1: you a couple of years ago. He got the number
Speaker 1: two one. Now, I mean he's ready, he's ready. Speaking
Speaker 1: of ifs. Speaking of ifs, let's talk about Tyry Smith.
Speaker 1: Will take our second break here and talk about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys left tackle who did not participate in OTA's last week.
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Speaker 1: knew we scrugs. This is the players. Tyrant Smith is
Speaker 1: the Cowboys left tackle. Tyrant Smith for basically a half
Speaker 1: decade now has not played full season And if you're
Speaker 1: counting on him to play one this year, you'd be
Speaker 1: fooling yourselves. Just after a certain point in time. And
Speaker 1: you guys have played in this league. Um, once a
Speaker 1: guy started getting hurt sometimes it just it just keeps
Speaker 1: going that way. You don't get younger, right, and and
Speaker 1: Tyrannt Smith's battled injuries. Um, it's at an outstanding career.
Speaker 1: But let's just be honest here. You cannot count on
Speaker 1: him for seventeen football games. Ota has come around find
Speaker 1: out Tyrant is not ready to go. You just check,
Speaker 1: you know, Twitter, sports radio people like all right, and
Speaker 1: you know y'all late late, I'm late Tyrand Smith. If that,
Speaker 1: if that were to happen, would be great for the
Speaker 1: football team. Ain't happen, but the likelihood of it happening
Speaker 1: is just so low. Yes, yes, and so's it right
Speaker 1: out of the gate, tac he wasn't available. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: look at it this way. There's two ways. Look at
Speaker 1: the way I'm looking at it is whatever's going on,
Speaker 1: get the guy right now, and you have him ready
Speaker 1: to go and come training camp out there in California's
Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting how much training camp does he
Speaker 1: get in here because you're trying to get him to
Speaker 1: September eleventh against Tampa back who's got a pretty good
Speaker 1: defensive front going on. But my whole thing with the
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith situation one is how does it affect the
Speaker 1: rest of your offensive line? Right If you have a
Speaker 1: guy who is supposed to be starting right and you
Speaker 1: draft a guy to play left tackle to possibly take
Speaker 1: over that position whenever Tyrant decides he wants to retire,
Speaker 1: but then he now has to play left guard. Who
Speaker 1: are you getting ready to play left tackle, knowing because
Speaker 1: it based off history, knowing that this guy may have
Speaker 1: to play half the season, so they need to be
Speaker 1: ready to play, not like you know, sparingly. They need
Speaker 1: to be ready to get in there and get some
Speaker 1: real time rips so they can be ready for the season.
Speaker 1: How do you do that? And as a rookie, that's
Speaker 1: a lot to put on the plate. As a guy
Speaker 1: all right, who wants you to be ready, wants you
Speaker 1: to start left left guard, Well, you know, we want
Speaker 1: you to compete for the starting left guard position, but
Speaker 1: we also want you to be ready for left tackle.
Speaker 1: That's that's a tough hill for a young guy, any
Speaker 1: even if you're in your third fourth year. That's a
Speaker 1: lot because, as speaking with Nate Newton, the difference between
Speaker 1: a guard and tackle is like night and day. You know, guard,
Speaker 1: youre getting protection from both sides. You got to hold
Speaker 1: that anchor in there, but you're not really getting a
Speaker 1: lot of wiggle from guys on the interior interior side
Speaker 1: unless you're playing against Aaron Donalds or something. But at
Speaker 1: the left tackle position, you're on an island. You gotta
Speaker 1: have some great feet out there because there's guys with speed, power,
Speaker 1: pass rush moves. I mean, there's a lot different position
Speaker 1: to play. So it's a rookie, you would want to
Speaker 1: make sure you're focused on one position at a time
Speaker 1: so you don't get that brain overload. But the Crag,
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right, you know, if he's grooming
Speaker 1: to play that to compete for that left gor spot.
Speaker 1: We know, you know, Tire's not gonna play all seventeen.
Speaker 1: So who's who's gonna be the backup? Who are they
Speaker 1: grooming to be that swing tackle? And are they good enough?
Speaker 1: You know, are they good enough? Are they good enough?
Speaker 1: Because we've seen we've seen year in the year out
Speaker 1: when you try to fill in behind a guy like
Speaker 1: Tyrren Smith, it has not worked name name of time
Speaker 1: when the guy has been out for an extented period
Speaker 1: of time. And you looked at the left tackle position
Speaker 1: to say, you know what that was? They're serviceable and
Speaker 1: they actually did a very good job playing left tackle.
Speaker 1: And this goes all the way back to the Atlanta game.
Speaker 1: But my man Clayborne, all right, that the floodgates open
Speaker 1: and we have not seen it happen. Still went from
Speaker 1: playing right tackle really well to moving over to left tackle,
Speaker 1: and we were over there, like man, they messed up
Speaker 1: as confidence. So okay, I'm not gonna dispute what you're saying. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: I feel like they have tried to go down the
Speaker 1: road to that's best they could to fix this because
Speaker 1: first off, there it's not like they're available and free agency.
Speaker 1: There's no good left tackle available free agency. These these
Speaker 1: guys get locked up since okay, good, You went into
Speaker 1: the draft this year, drafting where you were you took
Speaker 1: do you took basically you took the last good offensive
Speaker 1: tackle because there was another guy that went until a
Speaker 1: third round, So you took a tackle, plugged him in
Speaker 1: here as guard with the expectation of for listening to
Speaker 1: to Chris Hall, who was on mix shots, we think that,
Speaker 1: you know, down the road, we can put this guy
Speaker 1: at left tackle. You went out drafted another tackle. You
Speaker 1: drafted three tackles in the last two seasons. What else
Speaker 1: did you want them to do? Did you did you
Speaker 1: draft those tackles with the expectation of them having to
Speaker 1: play that much behind the Tyren Smith or thinking of
Speaker 1: moving on from Tyren Smith, or did you draft them
Speaker 1: saying you know what Tyrant's back. Tyrant's going to be
Speaker 1: healthy this season, and we're just gonna stick this out
Speaker 1: just in case something happens on right or left. There
Speaker 1: were fingers, there were some cross This is the issue, right, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, half a decade, bro, So not just
Speaker 1: this year, not just last year. We're talking about five,
Speaker 1: almost five full years of knowing that a guy is
Speaker 1: not going to play the whole season. So you're like,
Speaker 1: we've been when they've been trying three over the last
Speaker 1: two years. But I've been banging on the table about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah we started, yes, and thankfully we did draft Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons and they worked out, but you still have that
Speaker 1: issue of hey man, we're not sure and then this
Speaker 1: this news did we get for OTA's in the back situation.
Speaker 1: It just reminds you again of like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is something that's gonna have to be dealt with
Speaker 1: this season. So then what would you have them do
Speaker 1: this year? Because we won't argue with what they did
Speaker 1: last year with Parsons, they did the right thing. This
Speaker 1: year they went they went to get a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean what else? I mean, Yeah, you said
Speaker 1: four years of this, So to me, what you're really
Speaker 1: looking at right now? Is you got Josh Ball, you
Speaker 1: got Matt Will let's go, and then you've got Terrence
Speaker 1: Steel and just trying to figure out how how do
Speaker 1: you what's the mixed match combination? If if Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: isn't available, do you put steal back at left and
Speaker 1: then try to put in a ball or let's go
Speaker 1: it right? I mean, what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to keep steal it right and
Speaker 1: then you try to patchwork something over here at the left?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously these are issues, and in this league,
Speaker 1: most teams are doing some of the same stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: most people have some issues here. The Cowboys. The Cowboys,
Speaker 1: since I've covered them, have traditionally held on too long
Speaker 1: left tackles flows l Adams. They held on too long
Speaker 1: to flows l And finally when did they when did
Speaker 1: they actually fix the flows El thing? When you know
Speaker 1: they drafted Tyres Smith, but it was it was late.
Speaker 1: So this has kind of been an m O with
Speaker 1: the organization. So they're trying. They're trying. It's not easy.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Tyrann Smith at seventy percent
Speaker 1: is better than anybody else they got right now on
Speaker 1: the roster at seventy percent, putting you out of the
Speaker 1: game as zero percent. And you're right right, that's that's
Speaker 1: the only thing is being available, being in there. And
Speaker 1: then what it takes away from the guys during the
Speaker 1: week who don't get those reps because you have to
Speaker 1: give them to Tyrant because he started, he has to
Speaker 1: be able to look at the skins. But when you
Speaker 1: got a guy who is not going to be playing
Speaker 1: whoever was second team I remember doing that playing safety,
Speaker 1: you ain't getting those reps. You're not getting the same
Speaker 1: type of looks that that the first team guys are
Speaker 1: getting because it's not that much time for you to
Speaker 1: be out there on the field doing that stuff. So
Speaker 1: a lot of your stuff is film work. If you're
Speaker 1: not getting getting an opportunity to be able to pass
Speaker 1: off et stunts seeing what a guy like Aaron Donald's
Speaker 1: gonna do if he lines up here there, then it's
Speaker 1: hard for you to be able to say, all right,
Speaker 1: why I watched all the film I could, but now
Speaker 1: I'm in the game and I'm gonna do great souls.
Speaker 1: So then what do you propose? What's your solution? Right now?
Speaker 1: Knowing that this is this is the card you have.
Speaker 1: It ain't listen. It ain't my job to find a
Speaker 1: solution for them right now. All I can say is
Speaker 1: we knew, but we're doing a talk to a podcast.
Speaker 1: Ye see. My solution was was pitched years ago. I
Speaker 1: got nothing. I don't know what you mean. Not mean
Speaker 1: you're paying the guy, So, yeah, he's gonna play. I
Speaker 1: mean you can't just like that's all I'm so do
Speaker 1: you don't have a play and b I think you
Speaker 1: gotta take the tackle. I think you gotta take was
Speaker 1: name we Lescoletsco and the guy from last year ballall.
Speaker 1: I think you got to get them prepared for that
Speaker 1: left tackle situation. And I think you got the first
Speaker 1: round pick Tyler Smith. I think he has to focus
Speaker 1: on let's just say they want to Matt guard. I
Speaker 1: think he has They have to put him focused on
Speaker 1: that left guard position because that's the future. That's if
Speaker 1: that's where they want to see him at. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to put him there if they want him on
Speaker 1: the field. A sad now, if they think he's gonna
Speaker 1: play tackle in the future, I mean it's just hard.
Speaker 1: The only the only rookie I know that was able
Speaker 1: to do that was Michael Parson. He was able to
Speaker 1: play linebacker and d N and at that position, packcosition
Speaker 1: a little bit difficult, but d and you're just chasing
Speaker 1: and getting out to the ball. So I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder for that for that rookie Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: to be able to learn guard and tackle at the
Speaker 1: same time. So I think you gotta focus him on
Speaker 1: one position. And then you got those other those other
Speaker 1: tackles that you drafted ball and well, let's go. You
Speaker 1: gotta get them ready to be the swing tack How
Speaker 1: do you do it? Though? So do you take reps
Speaker 1: away from tying and give them first team reps? No?
Speaker 1: How many do how many do you give them to
Speaker 1: get them ready to play and be potentially be a starter,
Speaker 1: Because because in camp and OTAs, we know you get
Speaker 1: a little bit more reps. You get a little bit more,
Speaker 1: but you know during the season dwindles down. During the week.
Speaker 1: We both know, you know, you get four the ones
Speaker 1: get four reps and the twos get to two the
Speaker 1: last two reps of each of each period. So I
Speaker 1: just you're gonna have to build up their case low
Speaker 1: during this OTAs, during this training camp, get them as
Speaker 1: much reps as you can, because you know during the
Speaker 1: regular season they're not going to get those those those
Speaker 1: majority of the reps to ones will and hopefully that
Speaker 1: I'll prepare them enough for if and when, you know,
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith does miss some time, that they're able to
Speaker 1: at least come in and do a serviceable job. They'll
Speaker 1: be playing all three preseason games, possibly started, possibly starting
Speaker 1: two out of three. Yes, I would just one of
Speaker 1: them would start a preseason game, Yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on the defensive line before before
Speaker 1: we get out of here. And one, does Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: make this team? I don't think. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know you you're a big
Speaker 1: fan of the Gator, but I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 1: he makes it because you got um sixteen defensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just and in his time here, he just
Speaker 1: hasn't shown to me that much to be able to
Speaker 1: you know, unseek one of these guys that are in
Speaker 1: there and got Odgi Zola, you got my boy Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore in there. I mean, I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough uphill battle for him, you know,
Speaker 1: I think for what we're trying to do on the
Speaker 1: defensive line and stopping the run and having these type
Speaker 1: of athletic and then some big guys, like when we
Speaker 1: draft a big guy from Wisconsin, uh like for what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, I think it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: for John Ridgway, John Ridgeway from Arkansas, but what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do with the defense tackle position. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for my man to to be
Speaker 1: on the roster just because they know what he can do.
Speaker 1: It's not like they don't have film on him. They've
Speaker 1: been in the locker room with him, they've been on
Speaker 1: the field with him. All these coaches are familiar with
Speaker 1: him as a player. So unless he comes out and
Speaker 1: he's he's just killing it in preseason and training camp,
Speaker 1: that I think it's gonna be hard for him to
Speaker 1: make the roster. He has to go crazy. And and
Speaker 1: also he's part of that old regime. You know, he
Speaker 1: was drafted by Um that was his guy, and we
Speaker 1: know how that works. So you got and they talked
Speaker 1: about trying to get bigger upfronts here. So you saw
Speaker 1: Quentin Bohanna come in there last year out of Kentucky
Speaker 1: and now you got into John Ridgeway here, so much bigger.
Speaker 1: They're definitely going in a different direction there. So we
Speaker 1: know Gallimore, no Dicky Zoo or guys who are entrenched here,
Speaker 1: so it's going to be very interest. And then Carlos
Speaker 1: Watkins it came back as well, so it's going to
Speaker 1: be very interesting for Tristan Hill, who last year was injured.
Speaker 1: So he was injured during camp up and and and
Speaker 1: then he came on later on this season. But right
Speaker 1: now he's healthy, so he's gonna go into training camp. Me,
Speaker 1: this is another guy who really should He's got to
Speaker 1: know he's got me players know you know, you know
Speaker 1: you're on the bubble. He's on the bubble and he's
Speaker 1: gotta he's got to show he can do something here. Um,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think was Calvin Watkins the Morning
Speaker 1: News told me that he gave him a death. He's
Speaker 1: had high too, and the guy just gave him death.
Speaker 1: He says he'll gave him like a death. Stare because
Speaker 1: the stories all one players say when they talking about
Speaker 1: all I'm not reading this or I don't see numb
Speaker 1: boys just looking at that. They're looking at all of it,
Speaker 1: if they're not looking somebody in their families looking forward
Speaker 1: them exactly exactly. I remember you see getting into it
Speaker 1: and you want to be mad at the people that
Speaker 1: wrote it, and then out of I'm older, I'm out
Speaker 1: of the league. I'm like, well, they only going off
Speaker 1: what they see. Where's the line? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: let's say, attacking your attacking your character or something like that.
Speaker 1: If they're just talking about your play, then you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's your job to, you know, to change that.
Speaker 1: Laura knew he was beefing. I was no, because I
Speaker 1: never had anything about Orlando's play on the field. No, no,
Speaker 1: just dealing with him in the locker room, which which
Speaker 1: I rarely did because, as I said, man, we had
Speaker 1: other people interview you know what you say, We had
Speaker 1: a list. See that. This is true today. This is
Speaker 1: very true today. Man, you walk into that room, you
Speaker 1: know the guys you trying to get. Hey, talk to
Speaker 1: my man CJ this season. Okay, talk to my man
Speaker 1: CJ when you see him. Even Hey, man, so rookie minicamp?
Speaker 1: All right, you know what the list was with Tyler Smith?
Speaker 1: It was Sam How I mean, look, that's what we
Speaker 1: try to do. I mean, Sam Williams, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that's what we try now. I was I was
Speaker 1: looked for Mark kis Bell, but he was already gone.
Speaker 1: But there's a list, man. When you go in there
Speaker 1: people you're trying to get a hold of you you, okay,
Speaker 1: as as every porter and anchor. You're going in there
Speaker 1: with a strategy. So if it's a Dak day, you
Speaker 1: know they'll bring Dak out to you. But you kind
Speaker 1: of understanding know all right, what time is he gonna go?
Speaker 1: So we need to try and get people here, you know,
Speaker 1: as Zeke did. But there are days where you know, hey,
Speaker 1: these are some people to get and then sometimes you're
Speaker 1: waiting around on some of those people. And so if
Speaker 1: the others are available, the others, see others who will
Speaker 1: give you some decent sound, you're gonna get them. And
Speaker 1: that's where old Fit he was on the other Oh
Speaker 1: is he talking going over there? And it's not just
Speaker 1: you know that was his time, okay, Like all right,
Speaker 1: early on when I covered the team when they World champions,
Speaker 1: it's like Kenny the Shark, get Nate Newton. These are guys,
Speaker 1: these are the others list that you could get they're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you, and you can put it up.
Speaker 1: You can use some of the later on. But that's
Speaker 1: how you went about it. That there's a strategy and
Speaker 1: how you go about this. Man, you go, all right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take Nate new Nover Trotman and Michael Lurk. No,
Speaker 1: No you're not. No, you're not. It's a list it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a listen who's after a game?
Speaker 1: After a loss? You know who the guys will talk
Speaker 1: and you'll go get those guys and and sometimes and
Speaker 1: after losses, okay, Sean Lee. Sean Lee was well. Sean
Speaker 1: was a pretty good talker in terms of just hey,
Speaker 1: when he said things, they were thoughtful. After a loss,
Speaker 1: you get Sean okay. But there are certain dudes who
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk. Man de Marco Murray, Marco loss came around here.
Speaker 1: You might not get the chances are you getting to
Speaker 1: Marco Murray kind of slim didn't really like talking. Daz.
Speaker 1: There's another guy. You get dads if you can, if
Speaker 1: he's willing talkt But then there was some times and
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not talking, so we can wait.
Speaker 1: Are talking talking? You know let's get over here and
Speaker 1: get something before you get nothing. So all right, so
Speaker 1: it's that myth truth you get fined if you don't
Speaker 1: talk to the to the media. Thought that was the
Speaker 1: k So what will happen on that is? Who's telling
Speaker 1: on you? So so after the show's who the media
Speaker 1: member is. But if you don't talk, they'll go and
Speaker 1: they'll type, they'll go to emailed the league. So so
Speaker 1: we didn't talk. So for a while, Tyrant Smith wasn't
Speaker 1: making himself available. And this one particular person, Hey, where's
Speaker 1: he at? Where's he at? Kept asking for where's he at?
Speaker 1: And I think the player ended up getting fine. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who it is that, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what they get their money back somehow. We're at a
Speaker 1: time today. We are at a time today right here
Speaker 1: on the players lone for a Bury Church. Danny with Crai,
Speaker 1: I'm new, He scrugs. Jazz appreciate you, hold it down
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