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Speaker 1: but now it's officially over. We'll get to that. What

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Speaker 1: that means as a starting quarterback has been named for

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Indianapolis Colts went to Cubs Brewers yesterday the

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Speaker 1: Day of the Day Night Doublehead of the Night was

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Speaker 1: rained out. They're playing the second game now, which is

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Speaker 1: a makeup game. Making it up now. We got great baseball.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers sweeped the Padres over the weekend and now have

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Speaker 1: three with the Rockies before then going down to San Diego.

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Speaker 1: Down to Locale and taking on the Padres yet again,

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Speaker 1: which is weird though, because they sweep the Padres and

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Speaker 1: then lose to the Rockies. Gotta be frustrating from my

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Speaker 1: boy Jas two, especially, you know, losing the game when

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Speaker 1: you have a run lead going into the seventh inning. Grant,

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Speaker 1: it's Colorado. That's a really hard pace to pitch, but

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Speaker 1: not against this Rocky team. And who was it Robleski

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Speaker 1: that's who blew the game for the Dodgers yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that's the pitcher that gave up I guess,

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Speaker 2: the game deciding hit. But I mean, we have a

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Speaker 2: league level. It's such an urgency that there was a

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Speaker 2: reported meeting between Andrew Friedman and Dave Roberts and Mookie

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Speaker 2: Betts coming off of a game where two Hernandez dropped

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Speaker 2: takes horrible angles, and he needs to be in left

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Speaker 2: field or on the bench or DH. But we've already

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Speaker 2: give your catcher a day off, and you can't put

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Speaker 2: a Teo Hernandez, who is a natural designated hitter anywhere

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Speaker 1: A natural designated hitter is such a nice way of

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Speaker 1: saying Edgar Martinez, Yeah, a natural I love the natural

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Speaker 1: designated hitter. So he just stinks in the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or natural designated or what ever you want to have,

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Speaker 1: you want to air it byer. I had a great

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Speaker 1: Chicago day. Yes, it was like the perfect Chicago day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, could not have been more spectacular in terms

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Speaker 1: it on the Cubs late and getting a win. Cubs

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Speaker 1: got a lot of booze at home. They went out

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well I was with I was with

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Speaker 1: you ever been up there? Dan? No, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: had just lots of little things. You know, last year

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Speaker 1: there's a variety of things that it means. I think

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Speaker 1: our guy Dan Dockich, who joins the show occasionally, who

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Speaker 1: And I saw one tweet from Dockitch which was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: he just didn't look like an NFL quarterback. Now. I

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Speaker 1: And look, you don't have to throw one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: It's silly because it just it's it's like a different sport.

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Speaker 1: he's been there and they want to protect him. But

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Speaker 1: last year's story was how many of these resurrection projects

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Speaker 1: a veteran like Daniel Jones has not been in the

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Speaker 1: long enough to know. Okay, I went with Shane Stikeen Shane.

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Speaker 1: If I just do what Shane Stiken wants, I got

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Speaker 1: a great shot of winning the job of winning games,

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Speaker 1: it didn't work out nearly as much in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Geno Smith is part of that. Even

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Speaker 1: Sure, great call, great call, and it's it's we talked

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Speaker 1: that elk in Daniel jones last five starts last season,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven starts, forty six tds, thirty five interceptions, eighty

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Speaker 1: three points for passer ratings. That great. Here's Colt's head

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Speaker 1: coach Shane Stiken talking about the decision to make Daniel

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones would be our starting quarterback this season.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to have a quick.

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Speaker 1: Lease on that.

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Speaker 4: I feel confident in his abilities. I think he's a

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Speaker 4: few things and seeing how he interacts with his teammates

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Speaker 4: and I think the guys are excited for his opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Behind the scenes, stuff that people don't see with Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones is his work ethic, the way he connects with

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Speaker 4: all that, and I think we got a good group

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Speaker 1: And look stike In when he called plays with the

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't have passed up. But I don't criticize them.

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Speaker 7: They're an important partner. There's still the premier destination in sports,

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Speaker 7: and we're going to help them build this ESPN D

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Speaker 7: two C.

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Speaker 1: The rise of UFC right from when you were first

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Speaker 1: a young producer at ESPN to now, like the NFL

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Speaker 1: is one hundred year.

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Speaker 5: Built, hey, exactly, the NBA has been one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is over one hundred years to go

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Speaker 1: from where they were even in the early two thousands

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Speaker 1: where they were trying to get to mainstream to now

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a premiere property on.

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Speaker 5: The Tiffany Network.

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Speaker 1: This is a story that I don't think has ever

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Speaker 1: played out as such before in sports, is there, Doug.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 7: When I was running program, I got from voted to

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Speaker 7: the head of program, I mean thirty two years old.

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Speaker 7: In twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida Brothers came

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Speaker 7: and pitched, and they pitched hard on the UFC like

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Speaker 7: I wasn't sure if I'd get if I said no,

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Speaker 7: if I might get beat up.

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Speaker 5: Or they left the room right, And I didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: And one of the reasons I didn't do it wasn't

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Speaker 5: all my decision.

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Speaker 7: The mouse Disney was it about to put that that

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Speaker 7: sport where it was with blood on the mat on

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Speaker 7: ESPN or ABC Sports Now, completely different story.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, it is mainstream.

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Speaker 7: It is the rise, the evolution, the ascension, the following,

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Speaker 7: the fan base, the number of fighters around the globe.

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Speaker 7: How global it is. I mean, you're talking two and

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Speaker 7: ten countries and territories that the UFC is currently broadcast in.

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Speaker 5: You have six hundred plus fighters, right, you have seventy

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Speaker 5: five different countries of where they hail from, the fighters.

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Speaker 7: You have fifty different languages that broadcast UFC fights. I

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Speaker 7: can't even believe it. I can't believe where had it

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Speaker 7: has has gone. You know how it is has come

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Speaker 7: that far. ESPN has been a big part of that.

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Speaker 7: I mean they really supercharged it. They they put turbo

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Speaker 7: into this. Fox was important, Spike was important. Every step

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Speaker 7: of the way. It was important. But I would tell

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Speaker 7: you ESPN had had more to do with than anything else.

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Speaker 7: And of course Dana White and his team and the

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Speaker 7: way they got behind it and locally and built these stars,

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Speaker 7: These stars that won and covered the.

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Speaker 1: Far survive COVID two absolutely survived COVID right and expanded

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Speaker 1: in COVID when when others had no we had no

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Speaker 1: live sports.

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Speaker 5: And I tell you he was the guy.

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Speaker 7: He was calling Ari and I by the art a

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Speaker 7: I'm not going down. UFC doesn't go down. We will

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Speaker 7: find a place to do this. We were on our

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Speaker 7: way to do event a Tachi Wallace, an Indian reservation

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Speaker 7: in California, so we wouldn't miss a month.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, we needed to because money wise,

487
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Speaker 5: we would have been in trouble.

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Speaker 7: Just at that time, Endeavor all of our businesses were

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Speaker 7: shut down like everybody else, and yet we had this

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Speaker 7: huge staff and expenses and media rights piece we had to.

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Speaker 5: Pay at IMG and so we needed to.

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Speaker 7: Keep the show going, and he worked out a deal

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Speaker 7: which would have kept us going in ESPN would have

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Speaker 7: loved it.

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Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, it was.

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Speaker 7: Newsome and bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably

497
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Speaker 7: insensitive to what's going on. We need you to stand down.

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Speaker 7: So we didn't do that event. We waited a month

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Speaker 7: and then bank Fight Island and they were ready for it.

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Speaker 7: Abu Dhabi the bubble. Newsom was good with it, Bob

501
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Speaker 7: Iger was good with it, and we moved on and

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Speaker 7: that saved the day. And to your point, so many

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Speaker 7: fans sampled it for the first time and became full

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Speaker 7: time fans.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm

506
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Speaker 1: sure you all have to do another one and I

507
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Speaker 1: really really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 5: Great to see it. Congratulates all your success.

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Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

510
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Speaker 6: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

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Speaker 6: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Let's still a little broadcasting talk. By the way, next hour,

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Speaker 1: next hour, Uh, we're gonna play for you. A conversation

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Speaker 1: I had with Mark Shapiro. Mark is the president and

515
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Speaker 1: COO of TKO. That's one of the companies that they

516
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Speaker 1: own and run the UFC now as well as WWE,

517
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Speaker 1: and they just linked a They just signed a seven years,

518
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Speaker 1: seven point seven billion dollar deal with Paramount and CBS

519
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Speaker 1: seven years, seven point seven billion dollars. He used to

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Speaker 1: be the head of programming at ESPN when I was there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons to have guests on one,

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Speaker 1: I think it's an amazing story where UFC is compared

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Speaker 1: to where it was. Also, they're on the Tiffany Network

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Speaker 1: on CBS, Like that's a big like CBS handles and

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Speaker 1: treats themselves a little differently. But also how this deal

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Speaker 1: kind of came together, I thought, And he's a dynamic dude,

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Speaker 1: so I thought you'd appreciate that. That's top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of broadcasting, I love Troy Aikman two point zero.

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Speaker 1: At Fox. He was good, he was always solid, and

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Speaker 1: he was kind of superstar Troy Aikman. Right, he was

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys super Bowl champion, three time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman. He was good, he

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Speaker 1: was informed, he was solid, but he wasn't as strongly opinionated.

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Speaker 1: I believe as he has been at ESPN now, some

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Speaker 1: of that is again we talk about different networks. Different

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Speaker 1: networks push you for different types of commentary. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I was at CBS, it was a lot more about, hey,

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Speaker 1: tell great stories. I don't say, be a cheerleader, but

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Speaker 1: sort of be a cheerleader for the game. Whereas ESPN

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Speaker 1: because they felt like, if you're watching an ESPN college

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Speaker 1: basketball game on ESPN two, you're a real hardcore fan.

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Speaker 1: You've got to feed those hardcore fans. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit more inside the Beltway commentary. Fox has always been

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Speaker 1: a little bit more big namey, and now what he's

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Speaker 1: at ESPN and ABC and covering Monday Night football, I

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Speaker 1: actually think he and Joe are better. I just I do.

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Speaker 1: I use that because Troigman was on Monday Night Football

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Speaker 1: last night and he said this about the Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: what they look like without Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 8: Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're gonna be

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Speaker 8: to slow anybody down. I mean, he's a total game

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Speaker 8: wrecord and he's proven that, and he's certainly wor every

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Speaker 8: penny that he's ultimately going to get paid the longer

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Speaker 8: it goes, the more money he's gonna make. So I

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Speaker 8: wouldn't stress too much.

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Speaker 1: I files him. I'm not stressed. But I also I

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Speaker 1: do think there's a limit to what you can make.

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Speaker 1: I think the deal's probably close to already done. You know,

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Speaker 1: they had the Jerry I had a deal and then

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Speaker 1: the agent stepped in. You know, they'll probably add something

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Speaker 1: with non guaranteed money to make it look even better.

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Speaker 1: But the counter argument to Troy's argument is, yes, he's

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Speaker 1: a game wrecord, Yes, Michael Parson is a great football player,

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Speaker 1: but what if the Cowboys aren't good with him? All right?

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Speaker 1: This was the was it Khalil Mack? Who is the

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Speaker 1: Raider that he's now with the Chargers? It's the Raider

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Speaker 1: he got traded to the Bears. I keep thinking Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 1: but it's not right. It's go ahead, buyer. I'm sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I say it is Clil Mac. God why, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know why? So Khalil Mack? Remember the Raiders trade

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Speaker 1: him for two first round draft picks. Sorry, guys to

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Speaker 1: the You guys are sitting there nod in your head

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Speaker 1: and you're like, no, you got it right? You ever

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm just questioning myself today.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's Google, Doug.

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Speaker 2: You know, you think you have the right answer, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, I still have to check it.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at buy and Buyer gave me the nod.

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Speaker 1: And if Buyer gives me the nod on the YouTube

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, then I'm like, okay, Well Byer knows way

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Speaker 1: more about this than I do, so yeah, okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Byr his MIC's not on. There we go, here,

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Speaker 1: we go, all right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm being told something in my

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Speaker 3: ear or if it's on the air. So when that's

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Speaker 3: what was happening. So when Sam was saying Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 3: I thought he was telling it to you, but he

589
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Speaker 3: was saying it in my ear.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm watching it like I'm watching him like Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: And then you're like you look at me like yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, something in my brain

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Speaker 1: was some of my brain was telling me what wasn't was. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the question becomes, how much better would if the cowboys

595
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Speaker 1: can't stop anybody? Of course, slow any he even said

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Speaker 1: slow anybody down? Can they slow anybody to stop anybody

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Speaker 1: with Khalil with Michael Parsons, Tom tellusco joins us. He's

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Speaker 1: a former general manager of the Chargers who signed Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack brought him back or not? Did you wait, did

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Speaker 1: you bring Khalil back back? Or was that after you?

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Speaker 1: My timeline is screwed up.

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Speaker 9: We traded uh with the Bears for Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: Right, But when the Bears traded for Khalil Mack from

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Raiders thought was, yeah, we can resign

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Speaker 1: him to exorbitate some but we're not any good with him,

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Speaker 1: so let's go get to first round draft picks instead instead. Right,

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Speaker 1: So that's my question for the Cowboys. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're trading him. I think this deal is already done.

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Speaker 1: But there is a part of you which wonders, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we get to we're not any good anyway,

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Speaker 1: why not get to first round draft picks instead of

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Speaker 1: putting a bunch money into one guy, which is not

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Speaker 1: going to change our trajectory all that much.

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Speaker 9: Well, this is the thing. I mean, two first round

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Speaker 9: draft picks really aren't enough because if you just look

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Speaker 9: at the law of averages, those two first round picks

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Speaker 9: you'll definitely hit on one of the two. You hopefully hit

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Speaker 9: on two, but it says basically, you're not going to

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Speaker 9: hit on both and need if to do. Are you

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Speaker 9: going to hit on one of those that's a premium

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Speaker 9: player at a premium position, that's an All Pro player,

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Speaker 9: The odds aren't with you, so to me, if you

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Speaker 9: did trade on, which they're not going to, but it

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Speaker 9: have to be picks plus like premium players, it's hard

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Speaker 9: to get value for a player like him. You just

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Speaker 9: can't get enough. It can't just be draft picks because

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Speaker 9: draft picks are essentially lottery tickets, whereas he is a

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Speaker 9: proven All Pro young player. So yeah, I don't and

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Speaker 9: I don't see a trade happening at it.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, what's the usual timeline that most of these things,

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Speaker 1: you feel like, all right, it's really going to get done,

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Speaker 1: and about this window so he has enough time to

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Speaker 1: be ready for week one of the season, Well.

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Speaker 9: Needs to get done right now. This one is it's

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Speaker 9: just confusing to me because it just it sounds like

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Speaker 9: I'm just like you now, Doug. So I'm on the

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Speaker 9: outside looking in. But if they're not talking, I don't

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Speaker 9: understand why they're not talking that. Usually you're you're working

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Speaker 9: on the contract, you're negotiating. It sounds like they're not

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Speaker 9: so that. I don't know what's going on there, but

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Speaker 9: you know, you've got three weeks to go before opening day.

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Speaker 9: You know, he doesn't need all of the preseason, but

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Speaker 9: he certainly needs some work, some high intensity work to

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Speaker 9: get ready for it for the opening game, which is

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Speaker 9: really important against the Eagles. Now, rushing the pastor you

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Speaker 9: get out there and you can do that, but to

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Speaker 9: play a lot of snaps especially, it's probably gonna be warm.

648
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Speaker 9: He needs to be in right now. But it just

649
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Speaker 9: sounds like it's just been so quiet. There's just nothing

650
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Speaker 9: going on with that situation right now. I'm not exactly

651
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Speaker 9: sure why they We'll find out soon.

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Speaker 1: What is your reaction to Daniel Jones being in the

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Speaker 1: starter in Indy?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, to me, I mean, neither quarterback really went out

655
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Speaker 9: and won the job in the games they did not.

656
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Speaker 9: Maybe practice looked a little bit different, but my thinking

657
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Speaker 9: is Shaansdiken just looked at it and between the two players,

658
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Speaker 9: he went with a player with more experience both as

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Speaker 9: a college quarterback and a pro quarterback. He has a

660
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Speaker 9: lot of starts under his belt, and he went with

661
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Speaker 9: the more comfortable option for right now with Daniel Jones,

662
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Speaker 9: and we'll see what he can do. But in these situations,

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't be surprised if both guys play at some

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Speaker 9: point of the year. Daniel Jones had a little bit

665
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Speaker 9: of an injury history. Hopefully it doesn't show up, but

666
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Speaker 9: either do to performance or injury, I think it's a

667
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Speaker 9: good chance that still Richardson plays at some point. But

668
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Speaker 9: I can see the decision today on you know, they

669
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Speaker 9: want the more consistent quarterback, and as of right now,

670
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Speaker 9: Daniels more consistent right now than Richardson, even though Richardon

671
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Speaker 9: can make some eye popping throws and eye popping plays,

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Speaker 9: but the up and down, the accuracy, just the overall

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Speaker 9: in consistency level, this isn't quite there yet.

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Speaker 1: Last year, I don't know if you want to call

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Speaker 1: it a trend, it was sort of trendy last year

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Speaker 1: for these guys getting a second shot, you know, at

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Speaker 1: starting And I mean obviously Sam Donald had a spectacular

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Speaker 1: year in with with with the Minnesota Vikings. Baker has

679
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Speaker 1: found a home with with with Tampa. You know, Kirk

680
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Speaker 1: Cousins obviously was a guy who he was more high

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Speaker 1: end talent back when he was with Minnesota, but early

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Speaker 1: on before it fell apart, the returns were good in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: I bring it up because last year you were kind

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Speaker 1: of in this situation with the Raiders right where you

685
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Speaker 1: don't have a you don't have a guy at O'Connell, like,

686
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Speaker 1: you don't have a guy on the roster. You hadn't

687
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Speaker 1: drafted a guy. Instead, you went and drafted the best

688
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Speaker 1: tight end in football. What's the what was your thoughts,

689
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Speaker 1: thought process behind trying to find the right fit, the

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Speaker 1: right guy to get you through a year, to get

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Speaker 1: you to this draft or freegency period where you can

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Speaker 1: then maybe potentially getting a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you're essentially looking for a bridge quarterback, someone that

694
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Speaker 9: you know they can come in play consistent football, hopefully

695
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Speaker 9: win some games for you. But you also know in

696
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Speaker 9: the back of your mind that you know that's not

697
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Speaker 9: your long term franchise quarterback and you're not have to

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Speaker 9: find out in the draft at some point. But which

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Speaker 9: is why last year, even during the season, I tried

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Speaker 9: to try to convince Daniel Jones to come to the

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Speaker 9: Raiders and you know, just to give us another option

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Speaker 9: down the stretch. But Daniel and his agent, they actually

703
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Speaker 9: give them credits. They made a really good decision. Even

704
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Speaker 9: though it was a practice squad with Minnesota goes, there

705
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 9: are signs in the practice squad rehabilitates a little bit,

706
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Speaker 9: learns of the new offense. Then as a free agent

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Speaker 9: and he picked a team and the colt that has

708
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Speaker 9: a chance to go to and really compete for the job.

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Speaker 9: He went in there competing for the job. And one

710
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Speaker 9: but you're just looking for smart playing, consistent play to

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Speaker 9: get you through. I mean, if you don't have the guy.

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Speaker 9: And this year about a third of the teams are

713
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Speaker 9: going into the season with a new coquarterback, so you

714
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Speaker 9: know everybody's whether it's our drafted player or our free agent.

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Speaker 9: I think Daniel Jones fits that category of it can

716
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Speaker 9: hopefully can bring it touple consistency. But the other quarterbacks

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Speaker 9: you mentioned a lot of times it's just right place,

718
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Speaker 9: right time, maybe the right coordinator, maybe the right head coach,

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Speaker 9: maybe have right talent around them on offense, to the

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Speaker 9: offensive line, the weapons that they have. And then some

721
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Speaker 9: of these quarterbacks, as a failed one like Anthony Richardson,

722
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Speaker 9: he'll always get another chance He'll just can get one

723
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Speaker 9: more chance to col So I'm sure if that doesn't

724
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Speaker 9: work out, somebody else will give you a chance because

725
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Speaker 9: he does have talent. He's just still learning the professional

726
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Speaker 9: game and everything that goes into being an NFL quarterback,

727
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Speaker 9: and most of it is Monday through Saturday, with all

728
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Speaker 9: the preparation that goes into getting ready to play that game.

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Speaker 9: And I think right now they're just more comfortable with

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Speaker 9: Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

732
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Speaker 1: voice of Tom Telesco, former general manager of both the

733
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Speaker 1: Chargers and then for last year, the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: He joins us for his weekly visit here in the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The Browns. Uh first,

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Speaker 1: what uh what'd you think of how Dylan Gabriel played.

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Speaker 9: I thought he played well. I thought he he made

738
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Speaker 9: quick decisions, got the ball out of his hands. Yeah,

739
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Speaker 9: I thought he played very well. So you know, in

740
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Speaker 9: scha door played well. So you've got two young quarterbacks

741
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Speaker 9: that you know they're going to be on their roster.

742
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Speaker 9: But I think we all knew, you know, even with

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Speaker 9: the four quarterbacks that had it really wasn't a four

744
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Speaker 9: man competition for the starting job. I think we all

745
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Speaker 9: realized that it was going to be Joe Flacco, and

746
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Speaker 9: then we didn't get a chance really see Canny Pickett

747
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Speaker 9: playing much. But we kind of know what he is.

748
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Speaker 9: But we need to see these two young quarterbacks play.

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Speaker 9: And Dylan has for not the biggest guy in the world,

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Speaker 9: he has good arm strength. The ball really comes out

751
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Speaker 9: of his hand with some pace and velocity, and he

752
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Speaker 9: made quick decisions. It was accurate with the football. I

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Speaker 9: didn't think that the I n T threw wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 9: his fault. The two guys at Saint Mary and the

755
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Speaker 9: players starting to pull his hands back thinking it was

756
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Speaker 9: not going to go to him, which happens, But I

757
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Speaker 9: thought he did it fine. So we'll probably see a

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Speaker 9: lot of those two guys this week, I assume. I hope.

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Speaker 9: I'd love to see these two guys play more because

760
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Speaker 9: they're gonna have to set back end of their depth

761
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Speaker 9: chart if something happens to Joe Flack will either injury

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Speaker 9: or just performance. They have to know who the next

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Speaker 9: guy in is. A Gabriel is the shooter standers as

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Speaker 9: a picket you know, well, they keep four going in

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Speaker 9: the season, and they may at least for a couple

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Speaker 9: of weeks. I don't think they can do that the

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Speaker 9: whole season, but they may go with four to start

768
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Speaker 9: off and take it from there.

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Speaker 1: Can you keep four quarterbacks?

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Speaker 9: You know you can if you're healthy. I think you can. Initially,

771
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Speaker 9: you're just gonna have to go short in some areas

772
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Speaker 9: that you really don't want to go short in. I

773
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Speaker 9: think as the season goes on, as injuries hit, I

774
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Speaker 9: just I don't see a way you could really keep

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Speaker 9: four on your roster. But I'm sure they can probably

776
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Speaker 9: juggle it for the first couple of weeks if they

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Speaker 9: had to. When they want to, you're just going to

778
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Speaker 9: have to be completely healthy, because you know the margins

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Speaker 9: are top. You know, you're fifty three man ross, so

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Speaker 9: you can only dress forty eight. So they have a

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Speaker 9: couple of players in your rochester that you know, there's

782
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Speaker 9: no way they can contribute on game day because they're

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Speaker 9: not going to play and I don't play special teams. Obviously,

784
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Speaker 9: it's going to be difficult, but I think Andrew Smart

785
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Speaker 9: you can probably pull off for a little bit, but

786
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Speaker 9: in the end they'll have to make a decision at

787
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Speaker 9: some point, probably get the three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know you don't watch practice tape, right and

789
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Speaker 1: you're not in on meetings, so I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: be fair. But if it was you, what would you

791
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Speaker 1: do with four quarterbacks? What would you do?

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Speaker 9: I'd probably try and trade Picket. You know, at least

793
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Speaker 9: he has a body of work. He's a former first

794
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Speaker 9: round pick, really high character player, and I wouldn't want

795
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Speaker 9: to give up on Gabriel or Story yet. So I

796
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Speaker 9: think in the end, if there's a team out there

797
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Speaker 9: that needs a backup, maybe you can move Picket for something.

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Speaker 9: I know it's not going to be a lot, it'll

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Speaker 9: probably be a late Day three pick, at least get

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Speaker 9: something in return. And then you've got, you know, an

801
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Speaker 9: older veteran quarterback with Flaco. Hopefully he can hold the

802
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Speaker 9: ship down this year. And if he can't, you've got

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Speaker 9: two young players waiting in the wings that to get

804
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Speaker 9: some time. So that would probably be my thought.

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Speaker 1: Well you did, then what was the purpose of signing Picket.

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Speaker 9: Well, don't forget that they signed in before the draft,

807
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Speaker 9: so no, I know, yeah, it's a completely it's a

808
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Speaker 9: completely new quarterback room because they've run in Flack as well.

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Speaker 9: Flack it was with the Colts last year, so they

810
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Speaker 9: signed Joe. You just never know how the draft is

811
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Speaker 9: going to play out, so it probably made sense, and

812
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Speaker 9: they made the trade for they made the trade for pickets,

813
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Speaker 9: so they have somebody in the house with a little

814
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Speaker 9: bit of background. And then they probably thought was well,

815
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Speaker 9: draft a quarterback, which they did and then just happened

816
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Speaker 9: to be Gabriel And then they're in the fifth round

817
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Speaker 9: and Shoulder are still there. So you know, Andrew took

818
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Speaker 9: Andrew Barry took a you know, really talented player late

819
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Speaker 9: in the draft. So now you got four. It's better

820
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Speaker 9: than having none. But yeah, it's it's going to be

821
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Speaker 9: hard to keep all four for the whole year. It's

822
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Speaker 9: almost impossible.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, let's let's time to let's go. Our guest here,

824
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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. Trey Hendrickson is still

825
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: sitting out. They're listening to offers. The Bengals usually do

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Speaker 1: a very good job of keeping their own. But he's

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Speaker 1: a little bit older and wants a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the Bengals.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is this has gone on a little bit

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Speaker 9: longer than I thought it would. And you know, they

831
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Speaker 9: they listened last spring. I mean they they looked at

832
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Speaker 9: the trade route last spring and just really nothing materialized,

833
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Speaker 9: and I don't think anything more would materialize now and

834
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Speaker 9: something hugely changed with somebody else, but it doesn't sound

835
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Speaker 9: like that's going to go anywhere. I think he's either

836
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Speaker 9: planning for the Bengals or nobody. But at some point,

837
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Speaker 9: you know, the player has to realize that. You know,

838
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Speaker 9: you're looking for an extension. You're not a free agent.

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Speaker 9: You know, you're not an unrestricted free agent where you

840
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Speaker 9: can dictate all the terms that you want. You know,

841
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 9: the years and the average per year and the total

842
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 9: and the guaranteed money. So you know, at some point,

843
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 9: at some point you have to get to work because

844
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Speaker 9: this is this is where you're playing and you're in

845
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Speaker 9: a contract. So hopefully they get to that. I don't

846
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 9: know again this you know that the Bengals do it

847
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 9: the right way. They don't negotiate in public. We really

848
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Speaker 9: don't know what their offers are. If it's just one

849
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 9: year guaranteed money that I agree with the player in

850
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Speaker 9: the agent, but he's going to have to have some guarantees.

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Speaker 9: The year two a good amount of guarantees, I was thinking,

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Speaker 9: and I wouldn't have a problem with that. I mean,

853
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Speaker 9: I know he's an older player, but pass rushers play

854
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 9: well later into their career and I'm not as concerned

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Speaker 9: about him having a huge drop off later on, certainly

856
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Speaker 9: not in the first two years. And you know, he's

857
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Speaker 9: a really good rusher to me, He's not in that

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Speaker 9: Nick Bosa, Miles, Garrett, Watt, Crosby, He's not in that area.

859
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Speaker 9: But he's the next group down. So you know, if

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Speaker 9: the hang ups guaranteed money, then that has to be

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Speaker 9: time to play, like we got three weeks to go

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Speaker 9: before opening day. Obviously they need them, but you also can't.

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Speaker 9: You have to do the right contract with the player too,

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Speaker 9: and with a lot of these players, Look, if you

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Speaker 9: want the market price and everything at what you want

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Speaker 9: a freegment at the end of the year, that's one

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Speaker 9: option you have, and then you are a true free agent.

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Speaker 9: You send anywhere you want and get the exact deal

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Speaker 9: that you want. But you have to get the freedency first,

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Speaker 9: which would be come in and play the season and

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Speaker 9: go from there.

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Speaker 1: Tommy, really really quickly, you said, the Bengals do it

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Speaker 1: the right way. The Bengals are a team that I

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Speaker 1: think the national narrative is they're cheap and they don't

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Speaker 1: do it the right way. What do they do that

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Speaker 1: you would you would say is the right way?

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Speaker 9: Well, what I meant and that that that statement was

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Speaker 9: we haven't heard a lot publicly about what they're offering,

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Speaker 9: negotiating contract that stuff. You just there's no sense doing

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Speaker 9: that publicly, So they've kind of kept that under wraps,

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Speaker 9: which you know, for me, for me and you, it's

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Speaker 9: not fun because I want to know exactly what they're offering.

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Speaker 9: But they're doing that the right way, and they resigned

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Speaker 9: their own where they can.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 9: So you know, I know they're the Bengals and they

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Speaker 9: take a bad rep, but look they do things a

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Speaker 9: little bit differently sometimes. But I like what they're doing here.

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Speaker 9: It's just at this point, both sides got to get

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Speaker 9: together and figure this out and get it going.

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Speaker 1: He's time Telesco former GM eleven years with the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: last year with the Raiders, and he's only right here

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports ready with the Doug Gottlieb Show, You're

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Speaker 1: the best, Tom, talk to you next week.

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Speaker 9: All right, thanks Dorek. Take care.