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Speaker 1: a pro marks and Tennessee has some success winning games,

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00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: He's jumped in with the Raiders at times and shown whatever.

428
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: I would make the case that he would have been

429
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: a reasonable solid starter for the Raiders under John Gruten

430
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: based on how he played in those small segments. Yeah,

431
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I think Desmond Ritter is intriguing. I think he is

432
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 1: better for a team that is already decent and pretty good.

433
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: I think you drop him into a situation where, hey,

434
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: the thing that they're missing is a quarterback and I

435
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: just need the quarterback to be a just drive the

436
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: car a couple of plays, run around, you can run

437
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: around a couple plays. I think he's in a good situation.

438
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's go overall offensive line. Just just one guy. Um,

439
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you a name and then and then uh,

440
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll let you kind of follow me up here. But

441
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: um to me again, this is kind of the same

442
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: theme that I'm taking here. But as Zion Johnson. Zion

443
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: Johnson from Boston College. Okay, he started forty nine games.

444
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: He was a transfer from Davidson. But you get somebody

445
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: who's six oh two five three twelve, which is kind

446
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: of an ideal build for for a center or guard.

447
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a center. Um, he's

448
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: played tackle, he's played guard. I project him as a center.

449
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: But he's three twelve pounds, which is nice. Um has

450
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: a really solid week at the Senior Bowl. Again, highly

451
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: highly intelligent. Then they tell you that about him, incredibly smart.

452
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: So and then he goes and has a solid work

453
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: I ran five one eight, moved around well, so I

454
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: start going, Okay, I love interior guys that have started

455
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: a zillion games because it's a it's a communication position

456
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: and the more experience you have, the better, Um, you

457
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: learn how to play with your neighbors inside there, which

458
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: is which is big? Um. I've got somebody who was

459
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: a solid week at the Senior Bowl, has a really

460
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: uh you know, steady eddie solid combine and then meets

461
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: with teams and they rave about how intelligent he is

462
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, smart, tough, um, experienced, checks all

463
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: the boxes in terms of the heightweight, athleticism. Don't overthink it.

464
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean the guy he's just gonna he's gonna start

465
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: for ten years. Man like just easy. Yeah, he's easy,

466
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: and I look I like, I like him coming in.

467
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those positions where, um, it's hard, right,

468
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to evaluate. You've been at Davison Transfer. He

469
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: comes in, it plays at a higher level. It's solid

470
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: that plays at the Senior Bowl is very very solid

471
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: about all accounts. You didn't see him work out, he

472
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: moves around, he does all those things that you want

473
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: to see, and then you begin the factor in. He's smart.

474
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: He's intelligent. I mean he's smart, he's experienced, he understands

475
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: how to kind of play in the game, and I

476
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: think he's ideal and perfect in his own bas system.

477
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: I just think the guys just are very various of

478
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: the player, and I think because they're so many teams,

479
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: they utilize kind of variations of the zone base running game.

480
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: He's just a nice just a really nice fit. Cam

481
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: Jergens is another one who Um I think he's a

482
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: lot closer to Tyler lender Bomb. I think I have

483
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: him very similarly graded. Now he's longer, he's longer than

484
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: lender Bomb. Obviously he's healthier. At this point in time,

485
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: I think he's more explosive than lender Bomb. So you've

486
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: got a guy coming out of Nebraska who can really

487
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: really climb and get to the second level. He's outstanding.

488
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: He can reach, you can pull him, you can do

489
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. He was six o two

490
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: seven three pounds and ran a four nine two. Um,

491
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: so you start looking at linder Bomb. Linder Bomb six

492
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: o two one. So he's a little bit heavier. Um. There,

493
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: he's a little bit taller, and you know speed wise

494
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: he was he was outstanding. I mean there's players on

495
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: tape with him where you see him forty and fifty

496
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: yards down the field. He gets like violent penalties. In

497
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: other words, like, I don't even know if it's a penalty.

498
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: I just think it was so violent that they throw

499
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: the flag, Like Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't think you

500
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: can do that, Like, I don't think that's legal. But

501
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: he's somebody that I think is gonna go on day two. Yeah,

502
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna go on day two. He's going to um

503
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: he's happy. I mean, we talked about all these guys

504
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: in the way they run. It's really important. I think

505
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: for him being a center that is very athletic. He's

506
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: different than Gary Bradberry, but the athleticism part of it

507
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: is really interesting because man, when you have a center

508
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: that can do a bunch of different things in this

509
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: athletic it gives you so many options. We've seen this

510
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: dude's got right. So the arms are a huge factor

511
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: because when we think about the guys that they put

512
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: right over the top of the center, if you don't

513
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: have length, those guys that kind of make you turtle

514
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: up and they'll blow you back into the quarterback and

515
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: the destroy the running game as well as the passing in.

516
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: But now when you have arms and long arms and

517
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: you can lock out and extend and keep those guys

518
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: at bay, and stiming them. That's one thing. The other

519
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: thing is the athleticism that you speak on and they

520
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: as you maybe to do some of the things that

521
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: the heavens have been able to do with Jason Kelsey.

522
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: Now instead upon the guard, he maybe we pull a

523
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: center on this. Maybe the center gets out in front

524
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: and leads and does some of this stuff. Um really intriguing.

525
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: I really, I really like, Um, you're bringing him up

526
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: because it's interesting. I'm gonna say this because he's a

527
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: known commodity. But I think the conversation and Jacksonville has

528
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: to now begin to include two quantum Yeah, yeah, I

529
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: think it's too I think, I mean, I think Neil.

530
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: I think actually I should say three. I think the

531
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: two offensive lineman and Aidan Hutchinson. I think it's one

532
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: of those three guys. Yeah. But but but now, like

533
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: it's funny. And I get this from the defensive perspective, right,

534
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: talking to defensive line coaches having to see it, they

535
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Neil is fine, but man, that Kanta

536
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: and so now you're sitting at the top of the

537
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: draft and Evan Neil but all the counts is great.

538
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: But you know what, here's what happens sometimes and it's

539
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: not as well, like when you don't necessarily work in

540
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: front of the guys and they don't get a chance

541
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: to fall in love with all of the traits. And

542
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: then you see Ikey Kwando and he is a I mean,

543
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: he is a monster, and you see him running around

544
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: and then you have tape to verify his nastiness and

545
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: the way that he throws defenders around and all of that,

546
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: and you just get around him and he's so massive, right.

547
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: But then the thing that goes along with it is

548
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: we had a conversation with him and you can just

549
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: here the intelligence. You can hear mature maturity, you can

550
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: hear the aggression and how he got to this point

551
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: of because I asked men, like, what is this nasty?

552
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: You throw people all up? He's like, hey, that's how

553
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: I was introduced to the game as a freshman in

554
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: high school. And this is what I do dj that conversation.

555
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: The conversation at the top is not look man, we

556
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: can talk about like hey man, look we want to

557
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: hit a double, But then sometimes sometimes you want to

558
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: Hey it's a three old pitch and you tell you guys, hey,

559
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: go ahead, take take swee was it was down to

560
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: pipe take it. So I'm really torn because I kanu

561
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: is man. I I was trying to say, hey, he's

562
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: wrong whatever, but the athleticism and if you feel great

563
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: about your offensive line coach, he's my I mean, I

564
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: have it Aidan Hunchiness is my first player. The quantum

565
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: is my second player. That's what I had it coming

566
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: in there, And I left there thinking, I don't can't

567
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: make a wrong decision. I don't think between those two guys.

568
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: Um good good, good decision for the Jags to make

569
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: up there um And and you know, look, Neil could

570
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: go you know, well everybody ways pro day they fall

571
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: in love with him as well. It's bigger they could

572
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: but the stage, the stage is so big at the

573
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: Combine because the difference is and we we've said this,

574
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: and this is why we've encouraged guys to do the

575
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: comment is the only time with everybody is either in

576
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: the building or tuning in right because now I can't

577
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: see in the bilding because I gotta stayed. But everyone

578
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: is watching every decision maker, everybody with say when you

579
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: wow on that stage, it changes the tenner of the meeting.

580
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: When we get to your name, and it's time to

581
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: talk about it. And so that impression that Ikey Kanu

582
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: left on all the decision makers, it's gonna be hard

583
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: to match that at a pro day workout, you know,

584
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: like it's just a different deal. But yeah, that conversation,

585
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: it's tightened up in the eight. Hutchinson is everything that

586
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: people talked about. Yeah, we'll get to that position here.

587
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's go uh, let's roll to this one quickly.

588
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: At tight end, I'm just gonna ask you about one.

589
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Um dulcitch was. I think he plays even faster ran

590
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: He ran four six nine. He plays even faster than that.

591
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: He had a he had a solid workout. I thought

592
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: maybe he was too forty three. Um again, he's he's fine.

593
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: He came out of that as my as my top

594
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: tight end. We did not see some of the other

595
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: guys run, likely didn't run. McBride didn't run. But one

596
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: that did run I thought helped himself more than anybody.

597
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Um is is big Gilanni Woods. You've got a chance

598
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: to see in the East West game, Buck, So just

599
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about your take on him.

600
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Here's the thing about Jillanny was

601
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Jenny was a transfer from Oklahoma State. He goes to Virginia,

602
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: UM has production, goes to the East Wish Rhyan game

603
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: and DJ when you see him, he blocks the sun.

604
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean he's tall, massive, arms, massive, and and you're

605
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: looking at him and you're like, man, like, he's like

606
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: a minimum boys here like. But it's also that thing

607
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: where you're at those games you're so desperate to find

608
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: a start that when you find one, you're like, man,

609
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: am I over grading them? Am I overvaluing who he

610
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: is and what he's bringing to the table. With that

611
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: within DJ, one of the reasons why we always talk

612
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: about the combine is the confirmation, right, It's the confirmation

613
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: of the traits and the things that you've seen in

614
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: person and on tape. So then you see him at

615
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: his size six six, six seven whatever he is six

616
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: or seven one to fifty three round four six one,

617
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: and so he runs the four six one, He bench

618
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: for us his twenty four times and now you're like, man,

619
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: when he was matching those dudes on the edge and

620
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: he's running down the scene, Yeah, he he's he's different, DJ.

621
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: He has to go up like this guy has seriously

622
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: put himself in a conversation where we're talking day two solidly,

623
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: but where that conversation in day two, like this is

624
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: a huge target over the middle of the field, who

625
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: also has the strength and explosives to be an effective blocker. Yeah,

626
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, the only thing with with him was you know,

627
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: just drops had the six drops, So that's something you know,

628
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: you just want to see him continue to improve there

629
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: and feel comfortable with him there. Alright, white out, spuck,

630
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: give me a white out that tosted it out to you.

631
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go to the guy that everyone has

632
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: been talking about because Crystal Love was the interesting one, right,

633
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: like coming in, I don't know, like he wasn't in

634
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: my top five, but I tried to tell people, like,

635
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: it's really hard to rank the wide receivers as in

636
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: a top ten top five basis because there's so many

637
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: of them and there's so many different categories. But here's

638
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: what I will say. I think the speed certainly caught

639
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: people's attention, but I had the expectation that he was

640
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: run fast because it's a big play thing. I think

641
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: the thing that more caught people's attention was maybe some

642
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: of the polish when it came to the route runnability,

643
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: catching the ball over the middle, and doing those things.

644
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: I just think he woke people up and kind of

645
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: reminded people, Hey, I'm here. I'm still a good guy.

646
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of his draft status depends

647
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: on where your team is at the position. I don't

648
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: think he's the number one. I think he's a nice

649
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: compliment to a guy that has already established an receiver

650
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: in the passing yet. Yeah, and I'll give you a

651
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: couple of teams here. I don't know if he's gonna

652
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: make it down there, but again, let me give you

653
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: three teams. I think he makes a lot of sense

654
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: for the Chargers at sevent team UM gives them that

655
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: pure speed guy, right. I think he makes sense there.

656
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: I think he makes sense for the Raiders, UM obviously

657
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: they need to replace speed. And then you look at

658
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: another team with the New England Patriots, and I know

659
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you know, they don't do white outs,

660
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: what have you? They need to get a guy like

661
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: this for Mac Jones. They need more explosiveness UM to

662
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: put around him. And I think Olive's intelligence and everything

663
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: you talk to the coaches, he is at the right

664
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: depth every single time. He's right ratings to be his quarterback,

665
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: very order back friendly in that regard. UM, So I

666
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: think those are three teams that make sense for him.

667
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I would say Garrett Wilson came in as my top guy. Buck.

668
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: We talked about it a couple of weeks ago. I said, Hey,

669
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. If he runs in the low

670
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: four fives high four four, he plays plenty fast. And

671
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: then I talked to the guys who've been training Hi

672
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: and said, no, he's got a chance to get in

673
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: the four threes. And so I made the comparison before

674
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the combine to Justin Jefferson, where I love everything about him.

675
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: The only question was that pure top speed. Justin Jefferson ruled. Um.

676
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson comes out and does the exact same thing

677
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: he entered this process is my number one guy, and

678
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: absolutely for me, he comes out of out of it

679
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: as my number one guy. He was five one one six,

680
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: so just under six ft tall, hundred eighty three pounds,

681
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: which he probably cut a little bit to run, and

682
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: was four three eight and he's got incredible play strength.

683
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: He's a dynamic route runner. Um. He can make things

684
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: happen after the catch with wiggle, toughness, physicality. To me,

685
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: I think he's he's somebody that very much should be

686
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: in play, um for those teams. I think he's got

687
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: a chance to go on the top ten. You know,

688
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I could see a scenario where, um, you know, a

689
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: team like the Jets picking tenth and how were they

690
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: decided to go with their first pick, and they could

691
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: do a lot worse than Garrett Wilson putting him around

692
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, Little Wilson to Wilson, maybe, oh man, they

693
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: just need a Phillips. They could have like a Wilson

694
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Phillips eighties group. Go on here, But no, I he

695
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: was outstanding anything else on the white out before we

696
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: move on, No, I look at the sky boar by

697
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: the way, I mean we talked about him. I mean

698
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: now people are all on it. But I'll give you

699
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: credit because you put him out early. A few weeks ago.

700
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: You started talking about the Western Michigan kid kind of

701
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: standing up, and then more people are on them. I

702
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: think the speed is super impressive. He helved himself, and

703
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: I think there are a few other guys. I think

704
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: the one thing and will continue to talk about these

705
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: guys over the next week or so and terms of

706
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: helping themselves. But Scott Moore is in the mix. A

707
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: lot of these speed guys will be in the mix

708
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: because the one thing that we saw man fast, fast, fast,

709
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: and in the league where speed is coveted at a premium,

710
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that can find their

711
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: speed guys. Let me give you I'm just gonna be

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: a cup more names. Uh, George Pickens, who was you know,

713
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: big and fast ran four four seven at six three six.

714
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Christian Watson is gonna he's clearly in the second round

715
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: now over six four pounds, ran four three six. He

716
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: just you know, checks the box, has had a great

717
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: week at the Senior Bowl and has really helped himself there. Um.

718
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: And then let me give you one of the name.

719
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: This kind of comp came to me when I was

720
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: watching him. Cincinnatis Alec Pierce. He's a he's a little

721
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: bit faster, I believe if you go back and look

722
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: at I think he's a little bit faster than Michael Pittman.

723
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: But he's got kind of that Michael Pittman body and uh,

724
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: and just kind of that play strength that he has,

725
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: that strong just a strong runner. Um. He can go

726
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: up and get the ball above the rim. There's not

727
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: as much buzz on him as there would have been

728
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: on on Pittman coming out of USC at that time.

729
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: But I think you might be able to get a

730
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: similar type player in a really deep wide receiver draft.

731
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna go in the third round to be

732
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: my guest somewhere around there. But it's a it's loaded,

733
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: is a zillion wide outs. Man. Uh, let's let's keep

734
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: the train moving here and get to the running back position.

735
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Breee Hall ran ran in the high four threes, which

736
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: is something we teased that he was gonna run much

737
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: faster than people thought. Um so he runs a four

738
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: three nine. James Cook ran a four four two. Kenneth

739
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Walker I thought had a solid all the way, all

740
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: all around. He ran four three eight buck uh five

741
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: oh nine to two eleven four three eight, And he's

742
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: to me, he's the one. He was not in my

743
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: top fifty. I had two running backs up there in

744
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Breece Hall and Isaiah Spiller. He's in the mix. Now

745
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the mix to be the first

746
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: running back to go. Yeah, he ran much faster. Dj'n

747
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: be honest. Maybe maybe it's the uniform. I think it's

748
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the Big ten bro. I think it's just because those

749
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: big there on grass fields, right, it's usually a little

750
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: bit thicker grass. And I feel like we get surprised

751
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: by some of these Big ten guys with how they run.

752
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't look as fast to your eyes.

753
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't make any sense of it.

754
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: But maybe it's whether the grass field. I don't know,

755
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: it's all of it. I think it's all the backdrop

756
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. And I think in yesteryear,

757
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: like you used to have the reputation that the Big

758
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: ten wasn't fast, you know, like you remember when we

759
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: were in the scouting business, like they didn't have a

760
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: reputation for having very fast teams. And I think as

761
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: we're seeing as these teams get closer to being playoff teams,

762
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: and some of the teams have been in the playoffs,

763
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: we're seeing an upgraded product and the speed that we

764
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: saw from Kenneth Walker, uh kind of go inside it

765
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: with the rise to prominence of Michigan State and so

766
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: better players tend to lead to better teams, and better

767
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: teams tend to produce more pros. But Kenneth Walker's performance

768
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: was really impressive. And you know the thing that really

769
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: hilled Kenneth Walker back from that conversation when we talked

770
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: about um in some people's mind because I had him

771
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: coming in as the top my top rating gout Heat

772
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: and Briestaw than Spiller. But the conversation and the credit

773
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: where those other two guys were prominent factors in the passing.

774
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Passing game wasn't in Michigan State. But then with that

775
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: speed and being able to catch it, and then you're

776
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: beginning to kind of squint enclosures. But well, maybe he

777
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: does have those kind of traits that you can incorporate

778
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: and do it, and he might be helped by the

779
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: fact that a guy like Leonard for Nette, who was

780
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: we talked about in the past game Taylor would check that. Yeah, Jonathan,

781
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: but now if they can just catch the check down

782
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and do some things with that kind of speed in space,

783
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: it changes. So yeah, look, I believe the running back

784
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: conversation became a lot more interesting. I do believe we've

785
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of hit that shift where I still don't know

786
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: if anybody will be taking in the first round, and

787
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: if they are, it's the very back half, But I

788
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: think the second round, those running backs that come off

789
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: the board like popcorn corners popping, they all go he

790
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: relatively early. Again, I'm he's one of that I have highlighted.

791
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: He could very easily vaulted himself to be my number

792
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: one running back because you just start adding, you start

793
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: adding things together, and then not only you get a

794
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: chance to see these guys in person, I think some

795
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: people will look on the outside go, how could you

796
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Why don't you just stick with the tape? How do

797
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: you wildly move these guys? I'm like, I've never seen

798
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: any these guys in person. There's a different one difference

799
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: when you get to see a guy in person and

800
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: see how they look and how they move, and in

801
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: his case, get a chance to see him catch the football,

802
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: which you didn't get a chance to do. Oh, by

803
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: the way, finally get a chance to catch up with

804
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: our buddy mel Tucker and give me he sent me.

805
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: He sent me practice footage that we some of which

806
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: we aired on on the network. But and I start,

807
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: it's just like it gave me Javonte Williams. Remember last

808
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: year and and we had talked about our You have

809
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: obviously all those connections in North Carolina. But I know

810
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of those coaches as well, and they just

811
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: raised about this dude. You know, one of the coaches

812
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: had been at Georgia with Nick Chubb and was like

813
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: the same guy. And so I'm like, Okay, well, my

814
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: eyes tell me this kid is really good. And now

815
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: I get the coaches to corroborate that. I'm like, the

816
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: heck am I doing? Move this kid up. That's kind

817
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: of how I felt about Kenneth Walker coming out of there.

818
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: And and and once once again, as you tell about

819
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: your analogy about hey man, all were trying to do

820
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: at this stage of the year is get him into

821
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. As we get closer to the draft, you're

822
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: trying to get him in the right house. And what

823
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: I want everyone to understand, the draft process or the

824
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: evaluation process, is not about being right today. What's today

825
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: March eight. It's about being right draft week. We're not

826
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: trying to get it right now. We're trying to get

827
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: it right so and so and so. Part of what

828
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: we want to do is we want to go through

829
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: it with a fine tooth cone. We want to begin

830
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: to hear more about the players. DJ like let's be honest,

831
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: the first time I got a chance to see some

832
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: of these guys up close and personal, stand right beside

833
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: him and looked them eye to eye because a lot

834
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: of the numbers is one thing to look at the

835
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: media guy and get the numbers. There's another thing to

836
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: hear the measurements, but then to stand beside them and

837
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: look at them and do the body type deal where Okay,

838
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: here's what he is. Like Ikey Kwanta was a little

839
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: knock kneed, but that's fine because he's super athletic. Like

840
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things. But you see

841
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: to be able to cast your eyes on those guys

842
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: and to get a good as sense, and to me,

843
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I believe the most important part is when you have

844
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: the conversation and you talk to him. That sometimes can

845
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: either alleviate some of your concerns or it can raise

846
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: some concerns, based on how the conversation goes, particularly when

847
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: you get to certain subjects where there's football or background

848
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: or any of those things. Alleviated or introduce it one

849
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: of the two. Right, let's go d line here. We've

850
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: already talked about Jordan Davis, and we've talked about Davante Watte.

851
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: I'll give you another name, Travis Jones, Yukon Again. I

852
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: think if you're listening to us here, you're gonna see

853
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: the trend. Okay, here's the trend. Good player on tape,

854
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl, dominant Senior Bowl. Okay, man,

855
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: now we're feeling good about things. Show up at the

856
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: combine six oh four three six four and three pounds,

857
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: you run four nine to and have an outstanding field workout.

858
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Travis Jones, my thirty ninth player coming into the combine.

859
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing this kid fall out

860
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: of the first round when I when I look at

861
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: that workout, and that was freaky. If not for the

862
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: two Georgia guys, he'd have been the buzz of the

863
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: whole deal. Pounds, ran four nine two and was fluid

864
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: and easy going through the bags. I mean he was.

865
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: He was impressive. Again, good on tape as a senior

866
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: bowl ace to combine. Those are the guys you feel

867
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: comfortable about. Man. Okay, Now, I know we shouldn't do

868
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: this right, but we'll do it because it's fun. You know,

869
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: it is good like and I'm sure we all do

870
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: this because the scouts this is what you do even

871
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: in the room. There are times like I think for you,

872
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: the vulnerability comes not from the mock drafts, but doing

873
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: your first top fifty. The vulnerable moment for me, like

874
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: the first top five list, is you're kind of putting

875
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: yourself out there before you have the combine and all

876
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: those other things. And so what you feel good about

877
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: is that when you go through it, you don't have

878
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: any of those moments where you like, yeah, because you're not.

879
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: You just don't want to have those those egregious misses.

880
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: But Travis Jones was a guy that you kind of

881
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: way back and forth like, man, where do I put him?

882
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: Is he in the mix? Is he not in the mix?

883
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: He's a he's a nose taco who's more of a

884
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: run stuff. Or you watch him in the Senior Bowl.

885
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: He plays well, but in your mind you still like,

886
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: how much do I value I gotta stuff? But then

887
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: you see him move and you're like, well, maybe he

888
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: has maybe he offers more than just that. Just because

889
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: just because you don't doesn't mean you can't. Can't Yes,

890
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. You don't even asked to do

891
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: some of these things. And so then you see it,

892
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: you're like hmm okay, and then you see it play

893
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: out at the combine um. To me, and I know

894
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: people you know, because they talk about the comment and

895
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: like it's unnecessary. You don't, you don't need it. This

896
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: is that I would counter that and say that, nah,

897
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: you you need it because of a confirmation opportunity to

898
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: really confirm what you think you saw on tape, to

899
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: see an athlete move around and do all those stuff

900
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: in shorts. To me, it matters. Yeah. Two more d Lineman.

901
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: Just to point out here, Logan Hall kind of went

902
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: under the radar, had a phenomenal day six six oh

903
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: six one three pounds, ran four eight eight. So again,

904
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a tweeter inside outside, but

905
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I think he somebody's gonna be a big base in

906
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: and then can can kick inside, give you some rush

907
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: inside from a three. So he's a versatile, versatile piece

908
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: a team like again I use this team previously, but

909
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: like the Raiders, who can those teams that play with

910
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: a true kind of five technique, the the The obviously

911
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots. That's why I'm connecting the Patriots and the

912
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: and the and the Raiders. I would say that the

913
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Texans would be another team. This guy's perfect. He's a

914
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: five technique all day long. Throw him out there and

915
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: learning just stack. So it's funny. I had a conversation

916
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: with I had a chance to sit at the table

917
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: with a bunch of the line coaches were able to

918
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: throw out some names and listening to them talk. There

919
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: were a couple of names. Uh did They tossed him

920
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: around and say, hey man, these guys don't get enough

921
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: credit for what they are. Uh. Logan Hall was one

922
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: of the names that they mentioned. Is it but God

923
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: plays hard, he does lot of good things. He's athletic. Uh.

924
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Some of them felt like, look, he's a better player

925
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: in prospect than Peyton Turner from last year. So he

926
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: talked about him. Another guy that they talked about, surprisingly

927
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: a little bit to me was George Culloftus had a

928
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: couple of guys talk about like him being a guy

929
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: that could play at a high level in this league

930
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: despite I don't know, like maybe lacking some of the

931
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: sizzl on tape. They just talked about his temperament and

932
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: his polish as a technician. They just think that he

933
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: has a chance. So Logan all George cull offts is

934
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: the two guys keep an eye on. Yeah, that's uh,

935
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Didn't get a chance to se him on forty, which,

936
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: by the way, we should touch on this topic here

937
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: as we get to the edge dressers, because I got

938
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: hit up a bunch on social media after a Thibodeau

939
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: did not do the field workout, and I talked about

940
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: that on the air a little bit, and we'll get

941
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: into the reasons why. In the second I got asked,

942
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: how come you didn't hammer Carl Loftus for not running?

943
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: So I wanted, now that we have some space to

944
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of clear the air on that, I wanted to

945
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: explain that. So for years and years and we'll have

946
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: it into the future. Players come to the combine and

947
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: say I'm either going to run and not work out,

948
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna work out and not run, and they

949
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: tell the teams and they tell everybody to plan ahead

950
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: of time, and this is what I'm going to do.

951
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: Sometimes it can be um, hey, I'm a little bit

952
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: tight in the hamstring. I don't really want to push

953
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: it on a forty, but I'll but I'm gonna do

954
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: the workout, and they go, okay. There's other times that

955
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: UH team guys who come out there and say, hey,

956
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: I've been training for my forty, I'm gonna run my

957
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: forty and then I'm going to save my position drills

958
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: from my pro day because I just they'll give me

959
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: more time to get ready for that. And then also

960
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: it'll bring scouts to look at my teammates, um to

961
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: come out and watch my workout, will get a chance

962
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: to give more exposure to my teammates who might not

963
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: have been invited to the combine. Whatever your reasons are,

964
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: we've heard them all. Nobody cares, right, none of the

965
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: teams really care what you do what you don't do.

966
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: But the thing that was different about Thibodeau is not

967
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: only did he come on with me on UH on

968
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: national TV during the Super Bowl week, he did the

969
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: same thing with the teams and said he was gonna

970
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: do everything, and then he goes out there, runs and

971
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: calls it a day. So that's okay, well that's kind

972
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: of odd. You know, that's not a huge deal, but

973
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: just kind of odd that he would do that. And

974
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: then when we ask him the reasoning, he said, well,

975
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: I want to work out, I want to be able

976
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: to do linebacker drills. And like, well, yeah, so do

977
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: all the other edgdresses. They're all gonna do the linebacker drills.

978
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: You do the D line workout, then you do the

979
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: linebacker drills. Guess what, when you go to your pro day,

980
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna put you through D line drills and they're

981
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna put you through linebacker drills. That's the same exact

982
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna do your pro day they were doing here.

983
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: So you add that up with I'm not he's and

984
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: again he's not. I'm not saying he's a dog on tape.

985
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't play hard at all. No, I'm saying there's

986
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: some loaf plays in every almost every single game that

987
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: you watch. So you got that, and then you you

988
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: get this. It's just it's not gonna it's not gonna

989
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: crush him. I just didn't think it was a smart move,

990
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: you know. I didn't think it was the right thing

991
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: for what the word was around him. And oh, by

992
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: the way, you just gave center stage to Trayvon Walker

993
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: and and to Jermaine Johnson to go out there and

994
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: put on a show. Um So that was my that

995
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: was my take on it. And that's the difference between

996
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: you know, some of these other guys that didn't do

997
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: one or the other. Okay, so that makes it I

998
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: didn't because, um, when we were doing our part uh

999
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: down on the field, I wasn't privy to hear your

1000
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: comments and the broadcast, so I was kind of operating

1001
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: in a in a vacuum. Uh, so I didn't hear it.

1002
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because he came to the

1003
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: set and we chatted. We chatted on air, and then

1004
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: we chatted off air for a long time. I think

1005
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: it's been like maybe ten fifteen minutes, just kind of

1006
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: chatting with him. Uh. We talked about the things he

1007
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: talked about, his comments and comparing himself to Davian Clowney.

1008
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: He tried to clear that up, like I'm not saying player.

1009
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: He was using jadeveon Clowney as the benchmark when it

1010
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: came to the numbers and the measurements and those things.

1011
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: But in kind of evoking that name, he opened himself

1012
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: up to being compared and liking to the day being Clowney.

1013
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: And I think who, by the way, who, by the way,

1014
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: is a good player, but never lived up to what

1015
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: he was and so and so in doing that, it's

1016
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: one of the things that I tend to tell guys

1017
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: when they asked me about, hey, how do I handle

1018
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: some of these things and meetings, I would say, hey,

1019
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: when you give a comparison, give a comparison to a

1020
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: player that is crushing it, that has a game similar

1021
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: to yours, trying to trust their away from the controversial ones.

1022
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: And so he talked, he talked about those things. He

1023
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: talked about that part. I didn't necessarily understand the rush

1024
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: out behind not working out, um, you know, like you

1025
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: did the forty and stuff like that. And in my estimation,

1026
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: like I told everybody, and the great thing about working

1027
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: out here you can pick and choose if you want

1028
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: to continue to work out, and you can just shut

1029
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it down those things. But now what he did is

1030
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: he just kind of furthered the narrative that's being created

1031
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: about him, and I don't know how he shakes it.

1032
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: And so you know how this is when you have

1033
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: cards that are tied together, the tide typically goes to

1034
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: the guy that you don't perceive to have many issues

1035
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: with now and so that and then when you have

1036
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: other guys who could enter the conversation. David d Jabo,

1037
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, you just open yourself up, you create more

1038
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: vulnerabilities for another team to go in another direction. And

1039
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: so so I said this, I said this today, so

1040
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot. Bucky

1041
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: loves it when I get a chance to put him

1042
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: on the hot seat, so then he can get all

1043
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: the grief. Even though I'll give you my take on

1044
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: the same topic after after you give me your answer,

1045
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: we are here, I'm not gonna hold you to it.

1046
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: But March eight, as we record this right now, March eight,

1047
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: and you had to say, right now, who goes first

1048
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: at the end of April in Las Vegas. Cavon Thibodeau,

1049
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker? Who gets picked first? Trayvon Walker? Because you

1050
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: weren't privy to what we were doing. In the pre show,

1051
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: I connected Cavon Tipodeaux to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Philadephia

1052
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: Eagles are in the teens. I had Trademon Walker, David A. Jabbo,

1053
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Jamaine Johnson all potentially going ahead of him, just in

1054
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: terms of fit, comfort, culture, just the buzzy stuff. Then

1055
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: in doubt, when you have what I would say is

1056
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: a very solid edge rusher class. Typically we've been in

1057
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: those rooms where if there's any hesitation, people tend to

1058
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: opt for the safe rock and not saying that Tipodeaux

1059
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: isn't safe. But the narrative will create some conversation that

1060
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: might make the decision maker more comfortable going in a

1061
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: different direction than saying, Hey, I'm gonna go there. And

1062
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: that's me fully acknowledging that in two or three years

1063
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: we might say we were deemed Donald's Tipodeaux was the

1064
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: best one. But you know how this thing is so now,

1065
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see Walker go ahead of him.

1066
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see maybe some of the

1067
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: other guys go ahead of him. Yeah, no, that's where

1068
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I am too. I think Walker does go ahead of

1069
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: I think Walker has got a chance to be the

1070
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: second pick in the draft. He's got a chance. It

1071
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if either one of those guys for

1072
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: the second back. I think Thibodeau is still being played

1073
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: there with the line. So at that same table with

1074
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: all the D line coaches, I can't tell you how

1075
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: many people were raving about Walker, just raving about the explosiveness.

1076
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: And it's funny, DJ like it's one of those things

1077
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: that on tape. Things that you may notice but it

1078
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: may not register. Right. Hey, guys talk about like hey man,

1079
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: I was watching in this game and he put his

1080
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: fitness ground, he redirected, and he chased the guy down

1081
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: on the sideline, like little things that you're like, Okay,

1082
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: they're like, you don't see guys move like that. His

1083
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: explosiveness and his ability to track him down from the

1084
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: back side, like, oh, I know he has more in there.

1085
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: And remember, because we talked about this the last couple

1086
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: of years in terms of using your imagination when it

1087
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: comes to the quarterback, guys are beginning to use their

1088
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: imagination even more with other athletes coming off the kid

1089
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: from Baltimore, Jason Yeah da Um, his explosiveness, his playmaking

1090
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: abilities showing up when we talked about he didn't have

1091
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: any production. Well, now that you see some guys like

1092
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: that go and have a little level of success, now

1093
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: you begin to put begin to put it on the back.

1094
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: It changes. It changes the narrative, It changes your opinion

1095
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: on how you would view prospects and how they could

1096
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: develop in the next level. No, it's a it's a

1097
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: hundred percent true. It's gonna be fascinting to see all

1098
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: these edge guys come off the board. Um, all right,

1099
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: let's keep moving here. We've got a few more positions.

1100
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: Linebacker wise, these dudes were rolling. I feel like the

1101
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: linebackers off the ball. Linebacker particularly always a little bit

1102
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: underrated coming to this process. Devin Lloyd thought he would

1103
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, I thought he would run faster than four

1104
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: six six. But I also have you know Darius Leonard

1105
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: comparison where they ran about the same exact. Darius Leonard, um,

1106
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, obviously plays extremely fast. Kay Walker ran four

1107
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: five to two pounds. Christian Harris ran four four four

1108
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: at those guys are both from the forties on my list.

1109
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: But to me again, I'm gonna keep the theme going.

1110
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: Good tape. Great Senior Bowl performance, crushed the combine. Troy

1111
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: Anderson from Montana State six three and a half two

1112
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: pounds ran four four two. He's going in the second round.

1113
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's an easy one to see when you

1114
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: saw the speed and the explosives. To go with the link,

1115
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: you talked about performing well at the Senior Bowl, DJ,

1116
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good player, take a solid but

1117
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: then you talk about continue to check out the box.

1118
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why we talked about, you know,

1119
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: the path to the draft, and as you hit certain

1120
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: milestones mile markers, man, you can just see where he's

1121
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: going to end up. You talked about the tape, then

1122
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: you talk about the Senior Bowl, you talked about the

1123
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: combined performance, the interviews, and then Loryen Behold, we're saying, yeah,

1124
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: circle circle, day two, second round, he's coming off because

1125
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: even if he flops completely as a player, that size,

1126
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: speed combination should make you an animal in the specialty

1127
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: in the kicking game, No doubt you be. One more

1128
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: name here, Damon Clark from l s U six o

1129
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: two four to nine four five seven. These are the

1130
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: body types you're looking for for off the ball linebackers, tall,

1131
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: long range, e explosive um. That's again I think trying

1132
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: to find those Darius Leonard slash um, uh, Fred Warner

1133
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: bottom rights, that's what you're looking for. So those guys.

1134
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: So then you talk about that in the positive I

1135
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: had a chance to suicide in the Kobe m interview,

1136
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: he's he's a lost mold than I thought. I know.

1137
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: He's Yeah, he is. Let me, given the measurements, he's

1138
00:55:54,080 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: he's five two nine didn't out, didn't run and easy

1139
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: that to twenty I think. I mean, he looked so

1140
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: much lighter than that when he's sitting beside me and

1141
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him in comparison to those other guys,

1142
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: and it's just harder for me, right, It's just harder

1143
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: because I'm like man like because he's not. He's not stumpy.

1144
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: Like it's one thing to be short, it's another thing

1145
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: to be short and smaller. And I don't know, man,

1146
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at these other guys that are long

1147
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: and ranging. I have the darious lenders of the world

1148
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: in my head. I have the fair warners of the

1149
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: world in my head, and unfortunately, I'm trying to find

1150
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: the comparison. The right comp for him was Jonathan Vilma.

1151
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're almost identical side by side, terms feel like,

1152
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: but I feel like Jonathan Vilma was like thicker or

1153
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: whatever like, and they're about the same way. I think, yeah,

1154
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: but so so that's that's the thing. But it's all

1155
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: right to understanding. I had a conversation with a director yesterday, like, hey, man,

1156
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: but you know, you think about their defense and everybody

1157
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: down there swears by him being the traffic cop to lead.

1158
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: They're getting everybody lined up and all of that, and

1159
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, But then when we're moving from

1160
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: that lineup, because he was like, hey, you have to

1161
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: build a round, I said, man, but am I really

1162
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: trying to build it around him? You know, like like

1163
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: in terms of we talked about prototypes, Am I really

1164
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: trying to build it around the guy who might be

1165
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: deemed the undersized linebacker as opposed to A is a

1166
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: situation where look, I got all these people around him,

1167
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: and he's able to play to me in the first round.

1168
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: It's tight. It's hard for him. It's hard for me

1169
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: to kind of say I'm gonna go that that route

1170
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: in the first round, even though I can acknowledge that

1171
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. Yeah, he was two hundred

1172
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: thirty three pounds coming out, so I think he was

1173
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: a little bit tar. I think he was right at

1174
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: six ft but um so similar similar weight and stuff,

1175
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: And I think it's just teams are looking for a

1176
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: little different, you know, profile now than than than maybe

1177
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: back then. I think he's gonna be a really good player.

1178
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: I do think, though there's probably a greater discrepancy from

1179
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: where I have him rated to where he goes in

1180
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: any other player like he's he's like right around my

1181
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: top ten. Maybe he drops back a little bit, but

1182
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: he's probably he's gonna end up in my top fifteen players.

1183
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: He might go in the late twenties. Like there's gonna

1184
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: be a bigger gap for where I have him to

1185
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: how far back he goes in my opinion, yeah, just

1186
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: because the prototypes will get him in these meetings with teams.

1187
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: When we started talking about prototypes and size and and

1188
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: and those things. And remember when we talk about the draft,

1189
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of it is the beauty paget part

1190
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: of it, you know, like they got what comes in, Uh,

1191
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: it's different, good player, but these other guys having size

1192
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: and those things, it'll be different. And when you get

1193
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: to the point of hey, Nakobe Dean or I can

1194
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: get a defensive alignment and come back and get Anderson later,

1195
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: but you have Moment or somebody else, like when we

1196
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: talk about the pairings that we like to play on

1197
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: this like the option and also fact which show room showcase?

1198
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Do I want to go home with you? Like that?

1199
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: That's some of that also will affect into the equation.

1200
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get the court, corners and safeties

1201
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: here and then we're out of here. I know we've

1202
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: gone long, but this is It's been fun to recap

1203
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: everything here, Sauce. I'm so mad at myself, Buck because

1204
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm glad I had him as my

1205
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: fourth player coming to the process because he delivered. But

1206
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm mad at myself because I think it was Rich Samini,

1207
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: who covers the who covers the Jets, who had tweeted

1208
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: this out, never put it together, Sauce Gardner, You've got

1209
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: four New York teams or four four picks in the

1210
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: top ten for New York teams, Apple, Sauce, the big

1211
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: How did I not think of that? How did I not?

1212
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm so mad at myself for not having come up

1213
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: with that's a good one. He's legit, bro like he's

1214
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: the tape again, tapes really good. Comes in at almost

1215
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: six pounds, runs four four one thirty three and a

1216
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: half inch arms, seventy nine plus wingspan, and he was

1217
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: fluid going through all the drills. I mean, he's to me,

1218
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear cut coming into the process for

1219
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: me that he was the top dude. I don't, you

1220
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: don't It's hard to find guys like this man like that,

1221
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you put those comparisons up there, Uh,

1222
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: cro Marty, Yeah, yeah, that was my camp, and I

1223
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: think that I think Cremarti under good because the difference

1224
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: was Carmarti didn't play his final season in Florida State.

1225
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardy we got a chance to see it. Cromarty

1226
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: comes into the league and it's just a freak show

1227
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 1: as an athlete and player. He does it differently because

1228
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: down in San Diego he was, um, he's a Pro

1229
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Bowl players as work like, and he was playing off.

1230
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't playing and doing all that press initially because

1231
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera was a de coordinator. He then goes and

1232
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: does the other stuff where he's pressing and doing stuff.

1233
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: When I'm looking at Sauce, sauces nasty and tenacious, um

1234
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: terrific length, does a great job of locking up and

1235
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: doing press man, but also can play off. And I'll

1236
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: talk to him, I said, dude, the tackling to me

1237
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: is what major game pop off tape. I said, where's

1238
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: that comfort? He's like, man, it's always been about being

1239
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 1: aggressive in the mindset and mentality, and he talked about

1240
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: wanting to model and emulate the guys like Jalen Ramsey

1241
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: and those guys. DJ. I don't know if you had

1242
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him, but after talking to

1243
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: him on and off there, I am commenced like, yeah, check,

1244
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: he's good to them, Like he is good to go.

1245
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about him. He just talked about all

1246
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: of that other stuff and he has the confidence and

1247
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: swag that I desire. We're also having the maturity, doesn't drink,

1248
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, devout, like just very mature, like

1249
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 1: he talked about like um Parsley White emulated Jalen because

1250
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: of their walking, their journey or whatever, and I was like, okay,

1251
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: I did that, Like he just just really you know

1252
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: how this is DJ. Part of it is like we're

1253
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: trying not to miss and when the guy exhibits certain

1254
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: character things that you're like, man, he's gonna be He's

1255
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna be so good regardless of where he goes like

1256
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, man, he's one of my favorites and

1257
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: I like him. Another guy that I want to talk

1258
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: about because the buzz I felt like I was kind

1259
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: of putting myself out there when I went with Andrew Booth.

1260
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: I had him right behind sauce. The conversations that I

1261
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: had with people, Man, there are people that absolutely dB

1262
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: coaches that absolutely love Booth, and the reason why they

1263
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: love him is because of his technical diversity. They were

1264
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: talking about man zone and those things he can do

1265
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: a lot. In the conversation that I had a lot

1266
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: of people, it was like the same one that I

1267
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: had with Greg Newsome last year from Northwestern in terms

1268
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: of scheme friendly, doesn't matter who he plays where, He's

1269
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Speaker 1: going to be able to kind of play and flourish.

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Speaker 1: He is a guy that I think certainly helped himself. Um,

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Speaker 1: just in talking through the interview process. They just said

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Speaker 1: he was just so like on it. Yeah. And then

1273
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Speaker 1: the the big guys that that created some buzz Treak

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Speaker 1: Wall and six four two and five pounds ran four

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Speaker 1: to six, which was crazy, Um, you had words. The

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Speaker 1: other one here, McCollum, who was two nine pounds ran

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Speaker 1: four three three. I actually I thought he had a

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Speaker 1: better workout. I know wooll and got all the buzz

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Speaker 1: for the four to six, but I thought McCollum had

1280
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: a better field workout. And then a couple other names

1281
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on here that I think you're

1282
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: gonna see really really move up through the process. Um,

1283
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: where is he here? Corner Cam Taylor Britt He had

1284
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: a really really good workout. Buck He's an interesting player, man,

1285
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: he's where is he had on my list here? Yeah

1286
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: he was. He was five ten five nine six pounds.

1287
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: He ran four three eight so again senior bowl solid there. Um,

1288
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I gotta fix my my list

1289
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: by the way, because for some reason I'm looking through him,

1290
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: like I know, I haven't raided Higer than this and

1291
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: and Excel. The sheet has him below some of the

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: other guys. I've gotta fix that side note. But he's

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01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: he really helped himself with a really good workout. Um.

1294
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Speaker 1: I think it's a solid corner group all the way around.

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Speaker 1: Roger McCreary, I know, you know, ran four or five flat,

1296
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: which to me is fine. He had a clean field workout,

1297
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: really really smooth, really clean. I know he's not as

1298
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Speaker 1: long as you'd like, but I think he's a Day

1299
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Speaker 1: two corner that's plug and play. Yeah, you know you

1300
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: you like those guys who are able to like come

1301
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: right in and play them and desterally talking to two

1302
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: coaches about um cornerback class and the way the game

1303
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: is going and the skill sets that are involved. You

1304
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: need guys that are long but athletic like that's the difference.

1305
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: Before we used to see a bunch of long guys

1306
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: that weren't fast, and so we talked about zone and

1307
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: and that stuff. But now DJ, we're talking about these

1308
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: these guys who are long but have great speed, straight

1309
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: line speed, uh the length that you want, and you

1310
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: have to be able to do that because with a

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Speaker 1: straight line guy, you still can play man to man,

1312
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: you can lock up and and do some things. But

1313
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: there's their ways and their roles, and there are more

1314
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: teams that are looking for kind of like those superheroes

1315
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: that have those abilities. All right, let's get through a

1316
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: safety or two here that stick stood out. Kyle Hamilton's

1317
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: I was a little surprising and run fast, ran four

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: or five nine, jumps were great. Field workout was outstanding

1319
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: against six four uh six four and eight two or

1320
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: twenty pounds Daxon Hill like we thought, ran four three eight.

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: Lewis Scene had a phenomenal day at hundred nine nine pounds,

1322
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: ran four three seven. Risker ran four four nine from

1323
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: from Penn State. UM, so some some good players there.

1324
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: I would say, to me the big winner in terms

1325
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: of kind of where you had him. And I liked

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01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: this player. I gave him a sixty one, which is

1327
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: kind of a third maybe fourth round area. Traditionally in

1328
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: a draft, J T. Woods six picks. This year, Buck

1329
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: during the regular season has a pick in the Senior

1330
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: Bowl shows up at six runs for three six. I've

1331
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Speaker 1: got production speed for days. Oh, by the way, he's

1332
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Speaker 1: tall and along it's tall, along, productive, smart, all those scenes,

1333
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: all those things that you like, Uh yeah, DJ is there.

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, we we talked about the scouting process and

1335
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily about unearthing the hidden gyms, but it's

1336
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: following the break froms, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: it's just following the break froms that take you to

1338
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: really good players. And so when players um play really

1339
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: well on tape, you see them in All Star games

1340
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: against high level competition and they don't bad and I

1341
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: they rise up to the challenge. And then you watch

1342
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: them work out in the combine because all this stuff

1343
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: requires preparation, and you see them knock it out the box.

1344
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: You just feel good about him as pros and now

1345
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: whether we can accurately say what they're going to be.

1346
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: But man, the process of elimination leads you to these guys.

1347
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: If you have a board full of those kind of

1348
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: guys more times than now, you can be very very

1349
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: successful with you draft class, no doubt. Well, man, I

1350
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: know we went long today. Hopefully you guys have enjoyed

1351
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: it as much as we have. It's been fun, just

1352
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: kind of going back through the combine, hit on Aaron

1353
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers stuff up there at the top. Um, But it's

1354
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: been it's been a fun ride Indianapolis. Looking forward to

1355
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: getting to Las Vega. Draft be here before you know it.

1356
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we've got to move the six TV show,

1357
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Speaker 1: which is now moving to Thursdays. Um, so I believe

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Speaker 1: that's uh three pm Eastern. You can find the move

1359
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Speaker 1: to six TV show, so be on the lookout for that.

1360
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Speaker 1: And we'll have some more podcasts coming your way as well.

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you guys hanging.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Right here, I'll move the

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Speaker 1: sticks