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Speaker 2: Living the dream once again here on a fully loaded

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. This is Fox Sports Saturday and we're broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. And yes, Jeff

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Speaker 2: and I reunited, reunited.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Jeff?

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Speaker 4: I am good.

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Speaker 5: Got to be back with you today, buddy. It's been

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Speaker 5: a long time, and it's good to hear your voice

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Speaker 5: and talk a little sports. Baseball on right now College

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Speaker 5: Warts series on which I know we're gonna cover pitch

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Speaker 5: to pitch tonight, but so much sports, you know, a

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Speaker 5: different time of year, right like it's you know, your

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Speaker 5: sort of feel the football coming soon, but there's other

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Speaker 5: stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 4: So it's nice.

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Speaker 2: Well, you feel like as we come to the conclusion

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Speaker 2: with tomorrow's Game seven of the NBA Finals out to

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Speaker 2: conclude the basketball season as far as the games are concerned,

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Speaker 2: and you know, hockey's done. So you know, we people

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Speaker 2: tend to talk about Dog's Day, dog days of so,

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Speaker 2: but I was looking at it this way.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, havn't done this as many years as I have.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you're almost forced to talk about certain

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Speaker 2: year and then you get a little bit of a breather,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we have right now where you can

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Speaker 2: start to get a little more depth. There are a

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Speaker 2: number of stories that Jeff and I want to get

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Speaker 2: into today that are sort of in the news, but me,

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Speaker 2: you're not following as closely as some of the other

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Speaker 2: big stories, but you probably will once we talk about them.

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Speaker 2: By the way, before we get to what's going to

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Speaker 2: happen tomorrow night Game seven of the NBA Finals. And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, a little change here, Jeff and our

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Speaker 2: programming Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider, will join us in

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Speaker 2: the next hour. Mark Medina was not able to move

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Speaker 2: into our first hour today, our MBA insider, so Mark

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Speaker 2: will rejoin us next week. But before we do that,

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious about this College World Series.

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Speaker 3: I was excited because my UCLA.

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Speaker 2: Bruins were in the World Series for the first time

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Speaker 2: in twelve years. They got up ended, losing back to

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Speaker 2: back games to LSU in Arkansas, so they got eliminated.

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Speaker 2: And now we get this LSU matchup against Coast and Carolina.

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Speaker 2: But you're a Carolina guy, so how big is this

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Speaker 2: Coastal Carolina, you know, a couple of wins away from

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, you know, it's like living in

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Speaker 5: in a College World Series. I mean, we're pretty pretty

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Speaker 5: interesting because you know, we talk about in football, in

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Speaker 5: basketball wanting the smaller school, right the group of five

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Speaker 5: or the mid major to win championships. Well, baseball is

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Speaker 5: that sport, right Baseball that can happen. Coastals won before

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Speaker 5: in Oregon State is not a mid major, but they

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Speaker 5: You know, Murray State was in the Murray Valley.

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Speaker 4: Murray State. Murray State was like, you can have those runs.

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Speaker 5: And so when you look at the game tonight, LSU

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Speaker 5: this is what people want, right, people. People want this

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Speaker 5: it's LSU, who's one before that won a couple of

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Speaker 5: Half the baseball games are already over with right now,

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Speaker 5: so you know college baseball can fill that void with

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Speaker 5: And Steve, what's so interesting about college sports and why

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Speaker 4: Right? And in pro sports a lot of times.

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Speaker 5: mean LSU didn't do anything to win that game the

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Speaker 5: And that's what not the joy of college sports, but

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Speaker 2: And you know, one of the things we're going to

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Speaker 2: right now, some big stories coming out. Basically a cap

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Speaker 2: that's going to affect the transfer portal, which to me

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take advantage today Jeff, because of course,

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Speaker 2: you know Jeff from Countdown presented by bet MGM, Brian

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Speaker 2: know crack Krackenberger, Jeff had been doing an humbling.

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Speaker 3: How long you guys been together on that show. Now

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Speaker 3: on Sundays.

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Speaker 5: This I think this will be our fourth season coming

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Speaker 2: I hear all of it. I get up early on Sundays.

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Speaker 2: I listen to you guys, love every second out of it.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to take advantage of this jet because

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Speaker 2: you know Nutso with every prop bet possible for this

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Speaker 3: Of what's been happening in these NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm not going to get into how many

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Speaker 3: I'm watching, Okay, that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: I've been an NBA fan, and it's interesting because this

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Speaker 2: Then the previous nineteen, the home team has won fifteen

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Speaker 2: Lebron and Kyrie and the Cavs upsetting the seventy three

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Speaker 3: You know, this had never happened before.

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Speaker 2: So when you look at this game tomorrow, I see

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Speaker 2: That's pretty rare fight here, Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Shay Gildess, Alexander.

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Speaker 2: So I really came into this postseason expecting to watch

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Speaker 3: And now here they are with not only the.

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Speaker 2: They're in a position to really dominate this league for

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Speaker 2: Do you want to dominate this league for the next

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's pretty interesting when you look at

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Speaker 5: We talk about experience, which the okay, you didn't really

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Speaker 5: I don't know whose fault this is exactly, but Dagnall

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Speaker 2: In other words, he just decided, forget it, I am

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Speaker 3: We have to win this game.

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Speaker 2: And that's the game where his game, at least to

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Speaker 3: We have to win this game. I've got to do it.

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Speaker 2: later on Jeff, I'm gonna hold you to this because

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you. Gotta give us some plays a little.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: I've got some thoughts in this one, Jeff. I didn't

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Speaker 3: I watched Jeff Schwartz all the time.

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Speaker 2: Where do you have Do you have your setup in

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Speaker 4: For you office? It's a bedroom, yeah, so.

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Speaker 5: I don't use as much anymore because we host a

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I know that, So there. Jeff is very

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: So, Jeff, I want to get.

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Speaker 2: Football League. So I've said this many times about the

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Speaker 2: definition of a leader is someone that inspires others to follow.

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Speaker 3: And there could be a lot of ways you do that.

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Speaker 2: You could be just by force of personality, aggressiveness, or performance,

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Speaker 2: When you have a football team, by nature of the position,

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Speaker 3: He needs to be a team.

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Speaker 2: Leader because when you get in that huddle. I saw

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Speaker 2: The first thing you need to do is to be

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Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't have the game, but he's already showing

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Speaker 2: You can see those qualities early. You can't manufacture a leader.

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Speaker 2: I got plenty of speeding tickets when I was his age,

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Or is that just.

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Speaker 5: I don't care who you sleep with. I don't care

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Speaker 5: The issue becomes, obviously, is if the problems cause you

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Speaker 5: So that includes, by the way, your judgment right, because

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Speaker 5: But also just like how you study, right, how you

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Speaker 5: run companies and you hire people. Let's say, can you

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Speaker 5: trust the person that calls in, Hey, I got another

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Speaker 5: speeding ticket.

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Speaker 4: I gotta miss I gotta go to court today. You're like, ah,

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Speaker 4: another one? Like really?

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Speaker 5: And so that becomes the issue, right, Steve, it's not

445
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Speaker 5: one ticket's fine and he wasn't tricky and driving right. Fortunately,

446
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Speaker 5: that's very good, right. Obviously we know that it can

447
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Speaker 5: be an issue, but it's a judgment, right. And when

448
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Speaker 5: people have eyeballs to dure like they do right, wrong

449
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Speaker 5: and different, everything he does under a microscope, and every

450
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Speaker 5: time he gets pulled over, it's all gonna be news.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: I think I did not watch all of the trap

453
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Speaker 5: the body camfis, but seem like he was very respectful,

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Speaker 5: which is good. Obviously, those are all good things. But

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Speaker 5: I think as of right now to me, will not

456
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Speaker 5: affect the locker room. I think the Browns decision makers

457
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Speaker 5: are like, you know, like let's not do it again, dude.

458
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Speaker 5: And missing the court date's not good.

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Speaker 4: That was part of it.

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Speaker 5: He missed the court date for the first one a

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Speaker 5: lot of times that I could have dealt with with

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Speaker 5: the team security. I'm kind of surprised that that maybe

463
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Speaker 5: he didn't tell the team security that he had a ticket,

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Speaker 5: because normally team security kind of helped. You know, there's

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Speaker 5: typically former police officers team security. They can help get

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Speaker 5: rid of those. I had to happen one time to me,

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Speaker 5: I got dude, I got pulled over. I was in Detroit, Okay.

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Speaker 5: I was about ten o'clock at night. I was leaving

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Speaker 5: a team function, a team dinner, and it was a

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Speaker 5: four lane road, two lanes each way. I'm talking to

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Speaker 5: my wife on the phone, and I saw this cop.

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Speaker 5: I was driving my I have a black Tundra with

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Speaker 5: black windows. Would do at tending windows in the back

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Speaker 5: in the front. You gotta be legal North Carolina. So

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Speaker 5: I was in Detroit and so I'm driving. I thought

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Speaker 5: this cop sort of like slow down driving by me.

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Speaker 5: The other direction. I told him.

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, it's kind of weird. He's gonna

479
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Speaker 4: pull me over for some reason.

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Speaker 5: He pulled me over, okay, and and he goes like,

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Speaker 5: you've been drinking. I was like, no, I don't drink,

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Speaker 5: and he accused me of drinking. He made me do

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Speaker 5: the alphabet backwards. He's like, your eyes are red, like

484
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Speaker 5: they're not. I'm not drinking. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: So all this stuff and am giving me a forty

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Speaker 5: four and a forty as my ticket. And so I

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Speaker 5: told team security and they said, you know, they're like, well,

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Speaker 5: we'll deal with this, and they got it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I got word back.

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Speaker 5: They said I was rude to the police officer and

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Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I was because he told me I

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Speaker 5: was drinking and driving and I was not. Accused me

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Speaker 5: multiple times of being drunk and under the influence and

494
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Speaker 5: I was not. But again, like team security makes those

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Speaker 5: go away if they're not bad. I mean, there wasn't bad.

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Speaker 5: He see a forty four and a forty is what

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Speaker 5: I was giving a ticket for. So I was not speeding.

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Speaker 3: No, I hope that was completely dismissed as it was.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I again final word here on shoot door. Look,

501
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Speaker 2: I'm rooining for the kid, really, you know, the Browns

502
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Speaker 2: need a break. But on the other side, I want

503
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Speaker 2: to get into suddenly forgotten quarterback they drafted ahead of them,

504
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Speaker 2: that went to your school.

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Speaker 3: Why is no one talking about Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about him, but first let's find

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Speaker 2: out what is trending right now.

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Speaker 3: Martin sporting the Dodger cap today?

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Speaker 4: Oh gross, is it a Dodgers hat?

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Speaker 3: That's that's a Dodgers logo for sure.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that is a Dodgers come out wearing black on

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Speaker 7: their heads like this.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because my son Garrett, we were at the

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Speaker 2: game Thursday.

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Speaker 3: He has a green Dodgers cat. I consider this a

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles hat.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't like it, Like JE have to paint

518
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Speaker 7: the picture because we're on the radio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you basically have a Dodger cap, but it's

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Speaker 2: not blue. It's got the Dodger LA logo on it.

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Speaker 2: But it's a black hat. It's a cool hat.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 7: If I'm wearing a red hat with the Yankees logo,

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Speaker 7: is that a Yankees head or is that a New

525
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Speaker 7: York hat?

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Speaker 4: I would think you're representing New York. He's what I'm

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Speaker 4: saying now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see he's a Giants fan. See, Jeff is

529
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Speaker 2: a die hard Giants fan. And by the way, Jeff,

530
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Speaker 2: you got all of the manager and Bob Melby, you

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Speaker 2: stole him from San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Well, good job. He's a good manager. Hey, we went today,

533
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Speaker 3: stole the manager from San Diego.

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Speaker 7: They were given Raphael Devers by Boston and he had

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Speaker 7: a two run home today, three to two.

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Speaker 3: The score.

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Speaker 7: The Giants victorious over the Red Sox. Blue Jays beat

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Speaker 7: up the White Sox.

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Speaker 3: Seven to one.

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Speaker 7: Cubs hit a ton of home runs today, but Carl

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Speaker 7: Riley hit his thirtieth, setting a record for switch hitters

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Speaker 7: at this point in the season. They lose ten to seven,

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Speaker 7: managers due and eleven innings. The Cardinals edge of the

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Speaker 7: Reds fixed to five. Brewers pound the Twins nine to nothing.

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Speaker 7: On the road, Yankees had Clark Smid had a no

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Speaker 7: hitter into the seventh inning. In this one, Yankees had

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Speaker 7: four solo home runs. Clark Smith got pulled on that

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Speaker 7: no hitter. Yankees only gave up one hit in the

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Speaker 7: whole game, nine to one. The final score there. In

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Speaker 7: the Rays beat the Tiger eight to three. Tempas on

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Speaker 7: twenty two of its last thirty games. Two games in action.

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Speaker 7: Right now, the Rangers three to two over the Pirates.

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Speaker 7: I catch that one on FS one that's in the

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Speaker 7: top of the ninth inning, top of the eighth inning.

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Speaker 7: The Braves have a three to nothing lead over the Marlins.

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Speaker 7: Boston Red Sox are pausing cutter Crawford's rehab. He hurt

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Speaker 7: his wrist in the process of his second rehab stint.

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Speaker 7: According to manager Alex core And, the Atlanta Braves have

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Speaker 7: placed raining and outside Young Award winner Chris Sail on

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Speaker 7: the fifteen day injured list. He's got a fractured left ribcage.

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Speaker 7: Back to you, Steve, the way you just jumped through

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Speaker 7: it christ Day. It was a fractured left ribcage.

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Speaker 3: I just I can feel the pain. We had a

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Speaker 3: fractured left That's what they kind of said happened. He

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Speaker 3: was warming up and he felt the twins and that's

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Speaker 3: exactly the face you just made. I can't do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: I got to move a little slower these days, just

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Speaker 3: a little bit, not too much, but a little bit slower. Martin,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: We'll check in with you a little bit later on

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Speaker 3: So with all the attention Shudor Sanders has been getting in.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland, you lose sight of the fact that he was

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Speaker 2: the second quarterback they took in the draft. The first

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Speaker 2: guy they took in the draft was a guy who

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Speaker 2: had a phenomenal season at the University of Oregon until unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: the way they formatted the college football playoff. I want

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Speaker 2: to ask you about that a little bit later on,

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00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: and ran into a buzzsaw in that playoff game. But

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Speaker 2: you know, when I look at the numbers again of

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Speaker 2: the remarkable I haven't whatever what else can you call it?

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Speaker 2: Remarkable collegiate career of Dylan Gabriel. You know, almost nineteen

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Speaker 2: thous was in yards passing one hundred and fifty five touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Whether he's at Central Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon, this guy produced

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Speaker 2: every single place he played. And yet everyone just assume

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Speaker 2: as well, Shodor Sanders meet that guy out, there's a

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Speaker 2: way Dylan Gabriel can beat out Shoodoor Sanders.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, why can't he is?

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Speaker 2: There is there any reason to believe that just based

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Speaker 2: on their ability to play the game, that Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 2: could legitimately beat out Shoodoor Sanders and be the better

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Speaker 2: quarterback moving forward for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, Dylan Gabriel played great for organ last year,

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Speaker 5: but there are limitations in his game, and those limitations

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Speaker 5: are just not there in Sanders game. If they're if

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Speaker 5: you know, if your best is playing, you know, like

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Speaker 5: his best.

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Speaker 2: Right when you say limitations, I understand, But he's the

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Speaker 2: same high. He's the same high as Touah. He's basically

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Speaker 2: what's the difference here?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look a look at the I'll touched every year.

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Speaker 2: This guy, you know, one hundred and fifty five touchdowns

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Speaker 2: thirty two picks. He completed seventy three percent of sixty

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Speaker 2: five percent of his passes sixty four games.

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Speaker 3: He never had an off season in his college career.

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Speaker 3: Never every year. He was a really good quarterback. Yeah

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Speaker 3: so any one, Yeah no.

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Speaker 5: I So when I watched Gabriel play, the limitations I

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Speaker 5: saw that I think are the issues for the NFL.

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Speaker 5: And you can work through these. It's just the you know,

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Speaker 5: over the middle, he just can't see or you know,

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Speaker 5: he just can't see over the offensive line. Now, you

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Speaker 5: can build an offensive line for that. By the way,

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Speaker 5: and we've seen over the years, I think the best

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Speaker 5: example of this is what is what happened with Drew

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Speaker 5: Brees in New Orleans, where they built a very specific

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Speaker 5: offensive line. They had big, big guards, right, big physical

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Speaker 5: guards that made the pocket very firm in the front.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: So if you have big bodies like a vision, these

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Speaker 5: big offensive guards, they keep the pocket very firm in

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Speaker 5: the front. They don't back up. They make a standup minializer,

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Speaker 5: and that allows Drew Brees to see better when he's

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Speaker 5: in when he's in the pocket. So you can build

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Speaker 5: an offensive line around a smaller quarterback. But what I

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Speaker 5: saw with Gabriel were the issues of of just sort

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Speaker 5: of throwing over the middle and the accuracy that takes.

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Speaker 5: And I just did see that as often as I

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Speaker 5: was looking at Ohios to exploited that in that in

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Speaker 5: you know, in the Rose Bowl. And that's my concern

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Speaker 5: with him in the NFL. Now now, uh, well, are

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Speaker 5: the intangibles there of just being a winner? Absolutely right?

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Speaker 5: Everywhere he's been, he's won. Leadership is going to be there.

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Speaker 5: He's he's he's mobile, right, he's he can move a

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Speaker 5: little bit. But I think at their best Sanders will

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Speaker 5: be better than Dylan Gabriel in the NFL. Now does

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Speaker 5: that mean Santras?

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Speaker 4: Is it all pro?

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Speaker 5: And I don't know about all that. The way I

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Speaker 5: look at this going and we're already seen report that

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Speaker 5: I've said this before, I'm gonna get credit when I'm

652
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 5: right on this. There's two quarterback jobs or battles happening

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Speaker 5: in Cleveland right now. One is for starting quarterback Joe

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Speaker 5: Flack on Kenny Pickett. And there were reports over the

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Speaker 5: weekend or sea be over the week that they're already

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Speaker 5: talking about trying to find a trade partner for Kenny

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Speaker 5: Pickett and the loser of that battle is gone. They're

658
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Speaker 5: not keeping both those guys, then there's a battle for backup.

659
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel and Troduced Sanders both are making the roster.

660
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 5: They're not cutting either one of them because if they

661
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: cut them then they're free to waivers and to get

662
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Speaker 5: picked up. And Sanders, because he was drafted fourth, it's

663
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Speaker 5: to me because he drafted behind behind Gabriel, is gonna

664
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Speaker 5: be the fourth guy right now, and I think it's

665
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: gonna be hard for him to pass up Gabriel during training.

666
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 5: He's always gonna be the guy who gets the reps last,

667
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: because Gabriel is not gonna be bad enough I think

668
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 5: to ever pass in practice. He's gonna be just fine

669
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 5: in practice. But I think Sanders won't play, but airing

670
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: games in him in the preseason and at some point

671
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Speaker 5: this year, I do expect Sanders to play. I don't know,

672
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Speaker 5: I don't know when it's gonna happen, but I do

673
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Speaker 5: think he would. He will play ahead of Gabriel at

674
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Speaker 5: some point this season.

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Speaker 3: All right, We'll see how that plays out.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, I want to get into a

678
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: little in depth on the decision to essentially put a

679
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: salary cap nil cap for the teams around college football.

680
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Speaker 2: Everyone said, well, this is this was necessary, Like we

681
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: we got to figure this out. We got to put

682
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Speaker 2: some kind of bar set for all the universities on

683
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Speaker 2: how much money they can spend.

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Speaker 3: But what did they do? How is this actually going

685
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Speaker 3: to help the situation?

686
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Speaker 2: And how does this change what's going to happen as

687
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: far as the transfer portal is concerned, because that, to

688
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: me is a far bigger aspect of how the college

689
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: football game especially has changed.

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Speaker 3: We'll break it down for you. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Steve Hartmin Jeff Schwartz here Fox Sports Saturday. We're live

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Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios. So Jeff and I

694
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: go back a number of years, used to do our

695
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: regular show here on Saturdays, and you know we were

696
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Speaker 2: talking back in the day, Jeff about you know, the

697
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Speaker 2: very beginning of this whole thing. You know, Sonny Vaccaro

698
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: obviously with Ed O'Bannon. This was an idea that there

699
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: should be a level of compensation teams using name, image

700
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: and likeness for their profit and the athletes, some of

701
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: the mex athletes getting nothing nothing. I remember when I

702
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: was doing color commentary for UCLA football in nineteen ninety six,

703
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: we opened the season at the newly expanded Nieland Stadium

704
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: to over one hundred thousand. This was Peyton Manning's junior

705
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: year at Tennessee, and I'm literally one hundred thousand people

706
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: are wearing a number sixteen jersey.

707
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Speaker 3: Well, he's like that.

708
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: The entire stadium is decked out wearing Peyton Manning's jersey

709
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: and he's getting zero for that, nothing, zero.

710
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: And they're making millions off of him.

711
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Speaker 2: So we were talking about this years ago that at

712
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: some point, you know something's going to happen. Well, here

713
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Speaker 2: we are, Jeff, and all hell is broken loose, and

714
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: so they're trying to, you know, create some kind of order.

715
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: And the first thing they end up doing is they said,

716
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Speaker 2: all right, we're obviously we got to pay the money.

717
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: We get that, but we're going to put.

718
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Speaker 4: A cap on it.

719
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Speaker 2: Okay, they're the twenty million, that's it, that's it. But

720
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Speaker 2: the bigger problem to me has not been the money

721
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: that the players have been receiving. It's this idea of

722
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: the transfer portal. We're literally every single year you have

723
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: to let's say as a coach, account for which players

724
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: are going to stay, which players are going to leave,

725
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: all the while recruiting, and then of course when you're

726
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: losing players, you got to go into the portal and

727
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: it's at mad scramble. Everyone's a free agent and I

728
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: guess highest bidder or best deal, whatever it is that's

729
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: going to land that player. So I'm asking you, as

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Speaker 2: someone that loves the college game. For years, you were

731
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Speaker 2: part of the Pac twelve network.

732
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Speaker 3: Is this fixable?

733
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Speaker 2: Is there anything more that could be done to restore

734
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: some order so that it's actually going to benefit the

735
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Speaker 2: future of college football? And I'm gonna I'm specifically talking

736
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Speaker 2: about college football. I mean college basketball. All the sports

737
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: are effective, but college football is the big money maker here.

738
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Speaker 3: Is there something you.

739
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Could see that could make this less of a problem

740
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Speaker 2: and actually move college football in a positive direction?

741
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Speaker 4: No, No, I knew it.

742
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Speaker 5: I mean, look, this ends with a power conference, one

743
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 5: power conference playing by a different set of rules that

744
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 5: everyone else, right, a different playoff and everything, And that's

745
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Speaker 5: where I think the uniformity becomes at least finished.

746
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: Right, That's where that's where we're going to the problem

747
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: with this. And we talked about this for years, is

748
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Speaker 4: that the NT double A.

749
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Speaker 5: Instead of having the foresight to think, okay, well this

750
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Speaker 5: is an actual possibility, they buried their head in the

751
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 5: sand hope the Supreme Court will ruin their favor. They

752
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: lost nine nothing. I don't know about you, so I'm

753
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: my mom was an attorney. I would have wanted to

754
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: be a lawyer if I didn play.

755
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: In the NFL.

756
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: I kind of follow, like I'm fascinated by by like

757
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: law and order, and I follow like Supreme Court decisions.

758
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: I think I don't read them all, but I thought,

759
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 5: you know, hard is to win anything nine to nothing

760
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 5: in the Supreme Court, like even like eight to one

761
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: is unusual. They lost nine nothing. Into supremere was like, no, no,

762
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: we don't buy anything. You're saying right left, center, hard right,

763
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Speaker 5: hard left. We don't believe any of it.

764
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Speaker 4: They lost nine nothing.

765
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Speaker 5: And since that moment, they've had no say in what happens,

766
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: and the market is taken over and it's determined that

767
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 5: this is sort of where we're at in the sport

768
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 5: right now, and the way it gets fixed is them

769
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Speaker 5: coming together collectively to make the changes, which is which

770
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 5: would be maybe a salary cap and we'll talk about

771
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Speaker 5: that house settlement in a second, and maybe limiting the

772
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Speaker 5: transfer portal. The problem with that is the people that

773
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Speaker 5: benefit the most from it, why would they want to

774
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Speaker 5: make the changes? Like why would the sec want to

775
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: do things differently? Why would organ for example, you know,

776
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: my my ducks, like they benefit from this new structure,

777
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 5: why would they want to change any of it? And

778
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: so and also too, like once you start down the

779
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 5: road of the players getting paid, how do you roll

780
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 5: that back? You know, the house settlement is really interesting.

781
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 5: So there's a settlement that just happened where the players,

782
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 5: not the players, the schools are now allowed to pay

783
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: the players, okay directly.

784
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: And it's actually it's it's not a rule or a change.

785
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: It's just a settlement from a lawsuit. It's not even

786
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: like a permanent thing. It's just this what the lawsuits stipulates.

787
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 5: It's twenty million dollars per university to pay their student athletes,

788
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 5: and some can't even afford.

789
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: To do it. It's it's a real wreck. And but

790
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: it's not a hard cap.

791
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: It's not a salary cap, because there's nothing's collectively bargained.

792
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: It's just a settlement.

793
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 5: And so there needs to be a collectively bargained arrangement,

794
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 5: there needs to be a union, and all these things

795
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: that just college sports are never gonna have. There's not

796
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: going to have these things. And so to me, there's

797
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: really no fix for the money. If anyone thinks that's

798
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: a problem, could you make the portal one transfer window? Yes,

799
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 5: that can certainly happen. And here's the thing, Steve. If

800
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Speaker 5: the powers that be coming together and say, okay, we're

801
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 5: limiting the portal or how much you can move right,

802
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: you get one movement, that's it, or you get one

803
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: your second one, you have to sit out a year,

804
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: which is what it used to be. They're gonna lose

805
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 5: any lawsuit, like they just didn't put anything in place.

806
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 5: They're gonna lose every single lawsuit because they've lost everyone already.

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Speaker 4: And so like that's where we're at.

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00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: I think it's all these things to say that I

809
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 5: just don't think it's ever gonna change from what it's

810
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: at now. And that's sort of if you're upset about

811
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 5: the way it is, sorry because I feel bad, that's

812
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Speaker 5: not gonna change.

813
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: The interesting thing to me about this whole thing was

814
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Speaker 2: the concern was if you have a guy switching schools constantly.

815
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: It's gonna be very difficult with a young player to

816
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: adapt to a new system, and that hasn't been the case.

817
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had guys go from school to school.

818
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: I just meant to Dylan Gabriel. I mean, he had

819
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: done two transfers and he never missed a beat. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, it just it really is fascinating to me

821
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: how this has played out. It really has not been

822
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: in any way to the detriment of the player. Yeah,

823
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: there have been a few.

824
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Speaker 3: I know you're still bitter about Travis Dye leaving Oregon

825
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 3: for us.

826
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Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean never got over all right, I

827
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Speaker 4: never did. No, just beat him all the time, all.

828
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Speaker 3: Right, Bud.

829
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Speaker 2: On the other side, we're gonna get back. We get

830
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: ready for Game seven of the NBA Finals. Can the

831
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Speaker 2: Pacers shock the world and end up as champions?

832
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Speaker 3: And if they win? Why them? This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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834
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835
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836
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Speaker 2: Rolling along here on another big sports Saturday, Fox Sports Saturday,

838
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Speaker 2: where we are live from the Fox Sports Radio studios

839
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Speaker 2: coming up here in about fifteen minutes. We're gonna be

840
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Speaker 2: joined by our NFL insider here at Fox Sports Radio,

841
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan. I'll give it the latest of the camp's

842
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: going on and then you get ready for the summer off. So, Jeff,

843
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Speaker 2: what was your normal hiatus during the summer before we're

844
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: getting ready for the star of season. You know, you

845
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: have the mini camps, you OTA's all that kind of stuff,

846
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: and then you're off for a little bit before you

847
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: actually get ready for the training camp ready for the

848
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: start of the season. What was your normal routine during

849
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: that time?

850
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Speaker 4: Workout?

851
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Speaker 5: It is something my buddy who trains off its alignment

852
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: now and some of us the other day about how

853
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 5: a lot of his not a lot of his guys.

854
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 5: To take that back, some of his guys or some

855
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: people that want to work with him say like I

856
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: got a vacation to take in the summer, and it's like, no,

857
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 5: but here's your time is after the season. This is

858
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: working time, and a lot of guys now, man, they

859
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: take vacations before like this time of year. I could

860
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: never imagine that. Now could I go a weekend to

861
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 5: the beach with my wife. Absolutely, but you know, I

862
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 5: was getting ready to play football. So you go from

863
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 5: you know the end of your off season program, and

864
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 5: I would go out to Arizona and train until I

865
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 5: don't know, six days before training camp and go back home.

866
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: And that's what I spent the summers. Now, my birthday

867
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 5: is July eleventh. Obviously, fourth of July is a week

868
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: before that, So those are sort of landmark days in

869
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 5: my mind.

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Speaker 3: Where is it a lamdmark day? Because you know my

871
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: birthday is the fourth of July, so oh.

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Speaker 4: It is happy birthday, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I will think about that this year when I'm having

874
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Speaker 5: some some BroadWorks or some rip or something. You know,

875
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 5: fourth of July is like my my head. Fourth of

876
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: July and Christmas like my heaviest work days. I have

877
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: like multiple shows on fourth of July. It's actually kind

878
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 5: of nice. I'm glad I don't like, I don't really

879
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 5: like to like drink and hang out outside one hundred

880
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: degree weather, so I can I can actually work. But nonetheless,

881
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: so those were like milestones in my head as far

882
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: as where I needed to be to get ready for

883
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 5: the season. Right, so July fourth, you still sort of

884
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: you're eating well but you know you got a little

885
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 5: cheat day, right, you have fun and fourth of July.

886
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: Then my birthday, July eleventh was typically about two weeks

887
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 5: fourth training camp, and that was sort of the last

888
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 5: day of any sort of cheat meal, any sort of

889
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 5: cheating or just like that was like the buckle down,

890
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: like get right to kind of way in soon or whatnot.

891
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: So I use those days as as landmarks for where

892
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 5: I should be to get ready for the season.

893
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: Well you should have that attitude, because I'm sure after

894
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: your rookie season when you finally realize, oh, this is

895
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: what the NFL is about. As you get ready for

896
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: a year two, you prepare yourself a little bit better

897
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: right now, and then you get into routine. You become

898
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: a veteran. You're like, all right, this is how it

899
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 2: works for me to help me get through an entire

900
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: season and still be alive at the end.

901
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: Of the season. And then you go through the routine.

902
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: So you know, every player is different.

903
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: Obviously, they all have their routines, those that are most successful,

904
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: and they're off season routines. So usually the guys that

905
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: have the most successful careers during the course of the season.

906
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: By the way, also I got to mention baseball.

907
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: I was at the Dodgers Padres game on Thursday, Jeff,

908
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: where all hell broke loose late in that game, a

909
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: lot of bad blood. And you know, I lived in

910
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: San Diego for a number of years and being an

911
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: LA person obviously, and then when I went to Sandy.

912
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: You know, people don't understand this.

913
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: If you live in Los Angeles, there's no negativity towards

914
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: San Diego. Everyone loves San Diego. I mean, it's the

915
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: beautiful city. You want to go down there, spend a weekend.

916
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: It was great when the Chargers are down there, you

917
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: go see the Chargers game. San Diego is a beautiful city.

918
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: And if you're an LA person, you hold no animosity

919
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: to San Diego.

920
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: But when I got to San Diego, I couldn't believe it.

921
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: I was like, what are you doing when you really

922
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: hate La? Nobody nobody hates you. This is why the

923
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: people of LA were so upset about the Chargers situation.

924
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: They didn't want the Chargers leave them in San Diego.

925
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: They're great in Sandy. We love the San Diego Chargers.

926
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: But that's a whole long story I want to get

927
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: into right now. While they're in La, but I mean

928
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: they never want La.

929
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: Never really LA never said oh we need the Chargers.

930
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: That never happened.

931
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: Still, but you know, it's it's interesting that this rivalry,

932
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: it was always a one side rivalry because you know,

933
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: you're a Giants fan. I'm a Dodgers fan. You know

934
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: it's Dodgers Giants. I mean, this goes back forever, and

935
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: I hate and I hate it. Like when the Giants

936
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: played the Angels in the two thousand and two World Series.

937
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: I was rooting for the Angels, not because that I

938
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: was an Angel fans, because they were playing the Giants.

939
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see the Giants.

940
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: When was the biggest Yankee fan last fall.

941
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: And so I was sitting there, and in fact, Bruce

942
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: Bochie was when he became the manager of the Podres

943
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: when I was down there.

944
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: I love Boach.

945
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: Right then he goes to San Francisco, they win the

946
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: series in twenty ten. They came to Dodgers Stadium early

947
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. I popped my head in his office.

948
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, Boach really can'ta win with the Giants.

949
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: So that's the rivalry, But you can create a rite.

950
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: Remember the Lakers and the Sacramento Kings had a little

951
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: bit of a rivalry in the early two thousands, right,

952
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: and it was it was Anna mosity, like it was

953
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: really d Christie, you know, it was all CRIDs of

954
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. I feel that's where like the Dodgers Padres

955
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: are right now. But this is healthy and sports like

956
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: the WNBA is trying desperately to get you know, some

957
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: kind of or carryover momentum from last season, and the

958
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: one way to do that is keep shoving Caitlin Clark

959
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: down to on the floor and attacking her because it'll

960
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: make headlines every time she goes down.

961
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: But I don't think that's bad.

962
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: Fans want to feel like because I was there at

963
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium, you know, and you know the fight breaks out,

964
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, Tatist goes down, and then they throw at

965
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: Shohy in the next inning. I love this stuff because

966
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: I take it from a fans perspective. I want to

967
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: believe that the same fire, the same hatred I have

968
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: for the opponent is shared by the members of the team.

969
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: So when you have that kind of animosity on the

970
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: field or on the court, to me as a fan, man,

971
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: sign me up for that any day of the week.

972
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: So hatred and villains are good for sports. Oh, they're

973
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: absolutely great for sports. You know.

974
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 5: You know Angel Rees play today from the shug Sky

975
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: and singing reaction on social media like yeah, I mean, look,

976
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: it's it's unfair to Angel Rees that people make fun

977
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 5: of her a lot. Yeah, I mean people mark Kaylen

978
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: Clark after her last game too. But guess so everyone's

979
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: watching now right, They're watching, and it's great for sports. Look,

980
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: the Dodgers and Padres too, are also circumstances of just

981
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 5: being good at the same time. They've made in the

982
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 5: postseason a couple years the Padres I mocked my Dodger friends,

983
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 5: and obviously they won the World Series last season.

984
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 4: They lost the Padres the postseason.

985
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like that, and they almost lost them last year.

986
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 5: Like the Dodgers should never lose the Padres, you know,

987
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 5: in the postseason. So them being good obviously is the

988
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: reason why the Giants have not been good recently. They

989
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: had the year a couple years ago they won one

990
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: hundred and seven games out of nowhere, but for the

991
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 5: most part that rivalry has been very one sided since

992
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 5: basically twenty fourteen Giants last World Series. So the Dodgers

993
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 5: and Padres have both been good, and both and being

994
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: good is obviously going to lead to more important games

995
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: and the bigger feel for the games. And look, I

996
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 5: think all the things that come with hatred are great

997
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 5: until you know, he don't want any want to get hurt,

998
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 5: of course, right, Like, and I think that what we

999
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 5: saw the other night Tatis Scott hit is you know,

1000
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: getting hit on the hand is not great, right, I

1001
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 5: think you would want to avoid dat if possible. But

1002
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: you know that we grew up. You know, I'm much

1003
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 5: younger than you, obviously, but we I grew up in

1004
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: the era too when you threw it guys, you know,

1005
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 5: like that was part of baseball. I had high school

1006
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 5: coaches where that was. Unfortunately, now thinking about it, it's

1007
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: terrible and never had my kid do this. But you know,

1008
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 5: that day we're like, hey, man, you know, like we're throwing.

1009
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: If someone gets hit, we're throwing. You're certainly old enough

1010
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 5: to remember pay to Martinez.

1011
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he was the best picture of baseball, but

1012
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: he did it as much out of intimidation as anything else.

1013
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I I manas and Bumgartner, like, my favorite

1014
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 5: picture is a is a you know as an adult,

1015
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: like he threw guys all the time. That was like

1016
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: he one of the things he always did, so that

1017
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: that's how we used to watch baseball. And as long

1018
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 5: as it doesn't lead to injuries, I think it's finally show.

1019
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 8: Hey.

1020
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: I was very surprised at his reaction. He took one

1021
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 5: in the ribs yep uh, and then just waved off

1022
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: the Dodgers. He's like, yep, this is baseball, Like I

1023
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 5: just got hit.

1024
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: Like he's got hit.

1025
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: He shook the hand of the first basement he did,

1026
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: and the pitcher.

1027
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: Got tossed immediately. I mean, you know, he knew that

1028
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: there was no at that point.

1029
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 5: Why even why you even have a fight over him

1030
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 5: getting hit. It's what baseball sort of has been over

1031
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 5: the years. I love, by the way, my favorite thing

1032
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 5: about baseball fights, and you know there wasn't a fight

1033
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 5: the other night, just is the bullpen guys.

1034
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 4: They scream out the bullpen.

1035
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I was down the left field the lows,

1036
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: and we saw them they were right below us. They

1037
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: so fast, they run so fast. Its honestly, it was

1038
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing I've seen. Obviously countless baseball fights over

1039
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: the years. This was like a gathering. Like it was

1040
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: just this mass of every single player and coach and

1041
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: manager for both teams in this mass right now. Some

1042
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: people were, you know, immediately running their cameras right behind

1043
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: home plate to catch you know, some of the back

1044
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: and forth Dave robertson Schulton everything else.

1045
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 4: It was really Roberts.

1046
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 5: Look, you're supposed to defend your guys. It looks also

1047
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 5: just a very long season, you know, like you're gonna

1048
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: I have these dust ups. But as you said, all

1049
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 5: these things are good for baseball in my opinion. Look,

1050
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm a diehard baseball fan. I've loved baseball

1051
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: my whole life. I watched the Giants earlier. Today, I

1052
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 5: watched again, we got I got the College World Series

1053
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 5: on now. I'll probably watch a little bit tonight. I mean, obviously,

1054
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 5: betting on it sort of helps a little bit with

1055
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 5: some of these things.

1056
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: But like, I'm the.

1057
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: Fan that baseball desperately needs. Thirty eight years old, young

1058
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 5: kids like that wants to watch baseball, and I love it.

1059
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 5: And you know, baseball, they have some incredible players and

1060
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 5: and it's nice that we're starting I think we're getting

1061
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 5: a little the ratings are up a little bit this year,

1062
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 5: like people starting to care a little bit more.

1063
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: The clock was the best thing ever happened. I'm a traditionalist,

1064
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: so boy, they made the decision with that.

1065
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 5: I went to a minor league game the other night

1066
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: on Wednesday night. Charlotte Knights are here, the Triple A

1067
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 5: White Sox team. They're playing the Gwinnette Striper's the Triple

1068
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 5: A Braves team. And even my son at one point

1069
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: turned to me and was like, Dad, this is I

1070
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 5: like how fast it's going now?

1071
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: Yea. And my kids, by the way, they love Savannah

1072
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 4: bandeas They've been three times this year.

1073
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: Ready big.

1074
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 5: They went last night in Richmond, They've been to Charlotte,

1075
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: they won and won in Atlanta this year. They wan't

1076
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: want to Clemson. I don't have all the tickets, but whatever.

1077
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 5: And you know, that's a fun brand of baseball. So

1078
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 5: for my son to say, like, Dad, I like the

1079
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 5: pace of this game is great and I have noticed

1080
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 5: that so of you like that's been a great change

1081
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 5: because it goes faster. You know, I'm not you know,

1082
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: the bigger bases and the less shift is not leaving

1083
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: more hits of the matter, but the pace of play

1084
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 5: is a lot better. The last thing baseball has to do,

1085
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: and I make this play of time, is the blackout

1086
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 5: rules are ridiculous. I'm a Charlotte, North Carolina. I have

1087
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 5: four teams I cannot watch, which is when my Giants

1088
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 5: play the Braves, I get it fine, the Orioles, I don't,

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00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 5: the Nationals and the Reds.

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Speaker 3: What why are those three threads?

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00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: The Reds? Yeah, the Reds. Yeah. If you're in Iowa,

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00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: and Sam talks about this whole topic. If you're in Iowa,

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00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: there's six teams blacked out.

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: I know my sisters in Iowa.

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00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it seems like baseball is trying to get

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00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 5: more trash, which they are. They have star players, they're

1097
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: marketing better, they're doing the better job of that. They're

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00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 5: letting the players show emotion, right, like they're doing all

1099
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 5: those things. And it's good when the Dodger and Yankees

1100
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 5: are good obviously, right, it's good for baseball. But they

1101
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 5: got to drop the blackout rule because I should be

1102
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: able to watch any baseball I want to watch anytime.

1103
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 4: I pay for the app.

1104
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 5: I pay for MLB TV, like, let me watch all

1105
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: the games and but all this pub and look as

1106
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: much as I think the WNBA is probably not doing

1107
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 5: enough to protect Caaitlin Clark. I mean she I watch

1108
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 5: every Fever game. I love watching her play. She's a

1109
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 5: ton of fun. She gets battered for a super and

1110
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 5: like Maybor, it should have been tossed, I know. I mean,

1111
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: it's just she hit her like a cha truck sticker.

1112
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 5: But again, like we spent three days debating it, she was.

1113
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 5: It was on national TV shows. I'm not sure the

1114
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: wm was doing it for that purpose. But it's good

1115
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 5: for the league. All those such is good and baseball

1116
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 5: ratings are up, I think for many reasons, and part

1117
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: of it is like things like this get.

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00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: Attention absolutely, Jeff, I promise you, in the years that

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00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: we were together on a regular basis, we never once

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00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: mentioned the WNBA.

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00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: Now we talk about it. Not a chance we were

1122
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: going to do it back in the day, but it

1123
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: is definitely in the news these days.

1124
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: All right now, later on, don't go anywhere, because Jeff's

1125
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: gonna give us some of his inside picks for tomorrow's

1126
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: Game seven of the NBA Finals between the Pacers and

1127
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: the Thunder. But coming up next, it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a trip around the National Football League the best of

1129
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: the best. NFL insider Adam Kaplan will join us. This

1130
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Saturday.

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1146
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Speaker 3: And I never ever miss it ever I get up.

1147
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm an early riser anyway, Jeff, So I hear you,

1148
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: and I hear my old buddy Richie on Saturdays.

1149
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: I love everybody out there be.

1150
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 4: No older I get. The more I'm an early wake

1151
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 4: up person too.

1152
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: You will find that that'll increase of yours. I'm sure

1153
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: your parents get up, like you know, in the middle

1154
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: of the night half the time.

1155
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Well, let's here's a guy that never

1156
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: sleeps because he's working twenty four to seven to bring

1157
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: us the absolute latest news and the best inside information

1158
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: on what's happening around the National Football League. We just

1159
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: call him our own Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, Adam Kaplan.

1160
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: All right, Adam, we got a lot of ground to

1161
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: cover here. I want to start with the Chador Sanders

1162
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: situation and is there any fallout?

1163
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: Let's let's make it a very basic question.

1164
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: Is there going to be any fallout in his situation

1165
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: with the Browns based on being busted for speeding twice

1166
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: in less than a month.

1167
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 8: They're aware of it, They've talked to him as I

1168
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 8: understand that that's where it stands. That's what I know.

1169
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 8: I was about twenty four hours. I've been looking into

1170
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 8: this because I've been keeping an eye on the brown situation, Steve,

1171
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 8: just because the job's wide open, and Joe Flako, I've

1172
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 8: covered since two thousand and seven is there and it'll

1173
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 8: be interesting story seeing what he did two years ago.

1174
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 8: For them, and Cher dropped from really should have been

1175
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 8: a second third round selection to a fifth round. We

1176
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 8: could go over the reasons why. We've talked about that before,

1177
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 8: and Kenny Pickett was acquired in a trade, and it's

1178
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 8: just and they have Dylan Gabriel, So yeah, my understanding

1179
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 8: is they've talked to him privately, he's he he's aware

1180
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 8: of what happened, he lived it, and that's kind of

1181
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 8: where it stands.

1182
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 5: So I've been to the opinion that there's essentially two

1183
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 5: quarterback battles in Cleveland. There's Flacco and Kenny Pickett for

1184
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 5: the starting quarterback, and then there's Gabriel and Sanders to

1185
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 5: be the backup. And there was a report this week

1186
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 5: that the Browns might already be looking to offload Kenny Pickett.

1187
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: Is that how you read this as well?

1188
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 5: That there's sort of one for a starting quarterback, one

1189
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 5: for backup, and then eventually I believe Sanders wins the

1190
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: backup job and he becomes a starting quarterback at some

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 5: point this season.

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Speaker 8: Let's go, let's let's get let's start with the latter. Okay,

1193
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 8: So covering this business like twenty seven years the way

1194
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 8: these things usually happen, jeff Is we call it evaluation mode.

1195
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 8: Let's say there are after Thanksgiving, if they're clearly eliminated

1196
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 8: for the playoffs, like that's over. That's when you go

1197
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 8: to the young kid. Now there's a there's a part

1198
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 8: of this. It's either Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel,

1199
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 8: they really like they fell in love with it. Not

1200
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 8: everybody likes him around the league. He's a little small,

1201
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 8: throws the ball well for guy hit size, Stanior ball

1202
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 8: interesting quarter back, but Chador's more talented. No offensive dealing,

1203
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 8: Gabriel should Ward's more talented. But the belief around the

1204
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 8: league is that Gabriel is more advanced in his processing

1205
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 8: and learning. That's why there's a very realistic chance by

1206
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 8: the time we get to the end of August that

1207
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 8: Gabriel is probably going to be ahead him that. Now

1208
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 8: you're asking me this in June. That's the way I

1209
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 8: see it, based on what I know about every quarterback

1210
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 8: and the roster. Pickett simply doesn't throw the ball well. Now,

1211
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 8: that's the word around the league. I've known this since

1212
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 8: he was drafted, though talking to Steelers before they traded him.

1213
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 8: His last off season with them. They thought he was

1214
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 8: coming along a little bit, that the Armstrong got a

1215
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 8: little better. But he's another guy that doesn't see the

1216
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 8: rush real well. And that's you know, it's another problem

1217
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 8: with Joe Flacco is forty years old. He didn't look

1218
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 8: as good with the Colts last season. They brought him

1219
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 8: in for his experience. He knows that building. But here's

1220
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 8: the funny thing about Joe Flacco. Two years yes, after

1221
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 8: what he did two years ago, he was actually told, Okay,

1222
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 8: we're going to take care of this, we're going to

1223
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 8: bring it back. And then the general manager Andrew Barry,

1224
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 8: did a one to eighty and he didn't bring him back,

1225
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 8: which was mistake. Now they've rectified it. But it's a

1226
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 8: little bit different now Joe, it's a little bit older.

1227
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 8: So that to move this along here, Jeff, the quarterback

1228
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 8: situation is ridiculous. There is I've not seen this before,

1229
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 8: by the way, that what we're looking at, I've seen

1230
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 8: a lot of mystery and something that's convoluted. But is

1231
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 8: you outline in the beginning of this. There's a lot

1232
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 8: of stories that are going on. By the way, Deshaun

1233
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 8: Watson won't play football this season, but he's still on

1234
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 8: the roster.

1235
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 4: All right.

1236
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: A team that is flying on under the radar, and

1237
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised to not getting more attention because

1238
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: of some very interesting offseason moves.

1239
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: Is the Raiders. I mean, you bring in Pete Carroll.

1240
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: I mean, just let's just start right there. All right.

1241
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: You have a coach that has built a you know,

1242
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: potentially Hall of Fame resume already. He comes back and

1243
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: gets another opportunity in his seventies to coach in the NFL.

1244
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: And we've seen comeback coaches do it pretty well. I

1245
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: keep going back to Dick for Meal and what he

1246
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: did after a fourteen year layoff when he went to

1247
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: the Rams and turned that thing around. But you know

1248
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: he bringing Geno Smith Ashton genty, the number one running

1249
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: back in the country by almost everyone's account. I know

1250
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: that you're in buzzing about this Thornton kid. You know,

1251
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: the wide receiver that ran a four three forty at

1252
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: six foot five and though he didn't catch that many

1253
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: passes at Tennessee in the Oregon. Yeah, that that, by

1254
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: the way, that's an Al Davis pig. You know how

1255
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: that was a mister Davis pick right there? You know,

1256
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't care about the numbers. I'm Mervin Fernandez, are

1257
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: you all? I was there when I thought he was,

1258
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just came from the Canadian Football have to

1259
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: tell Yeah. So Mervin Fernandez was a guy they had

1260
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: an eye on. He was playing in the Canadian Football

1261
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: League and it was the same type of play. He

1262
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: was a big receiver, he could run fast, and they

1263
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: were just absolutely enamored with signing Mervyn Fernandez. And if

1264
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: you look him up, he actually had a couple of

1265
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: decent years. But he was right that these were you know,

1266
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: these are the kind of guys, whether it was speed, size, whatever,

1267
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: that mister Davis had fallen in love with. What is

1268
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: your gut feeling right now on how this season is

1269
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: going to play out for the Raiders?

1270
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 4: All right?

1271
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 8: So I talked to someone who worked with Pete in

1272
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 8: the seattlefront office. You know it's Pete. Very well, this

1273
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 8: guy still talks to Pete. He said, listen, here's the

1274
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 8: deal with Pete. He knows what he's overtaking, but he's

1275
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 8: going to bring in a sense of calmness, a sense

1276
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 8: of Okay, this is what we're going to do, and

1277
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 8: this is we're going to how we're going to do it.

1278
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 8: He has You know, there's competition days in practice. They're

1279
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 8: probably gonna steve. They're probably going to overachieve. If you

1280
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 8: really look at their roster, particularly defensively, you go, how

1281
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 8: are they going to compete? Well, you mentioned Genti, right,

1282
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 8: Gino Smith who tripped Chip Kelly. Gosh, it's spent. This

1283
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 8: is thirteen years now.

1284
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: Right, Well, and also remember everybody, Chip Kelly is now

1285
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator of the Raiders.

1286
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, well no, I just brought Chip Kelly up because

1287
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 8: he actually this is a great story. Did I tell

1288
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 8: you the story about Gino and Chip? So this is great. Uh,

1289
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 8: Chips Kelly's play quarterback for the thirteen draft was Gino Smith.

1290
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 8: That was until the entire Eagles front office and Chip

1291
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 8: flew to Westford to go to the pro day and

1292
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 8: they met with him for the pro day. It didn't

1293
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 8: go well, but he loved Gino's athletic ability and loved

1294
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 8: his arm, and they just he didn't have a good

1295
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 8: meeting with him, so they moved off. So Gino and

1296
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 8: Chip know each other very well. You got Bowers. They've reached,

1297
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 8: they've reshuffled their offensive line. They think their offensive line

1298
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Speaker 8: is going to be good, but defensively they're they're a

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Speaker 8: bottom five talent level and that's why they're probably Steve

1300
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Speaker 8: around six to seven wins, maybe max out of eight.

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Speaker 8: This is not I don't see this being a Jim

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Speaker 8: Harball situation that the Chargers have a little bit better

1303
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 8: offensive talent and better talent last season. But you're right, Steve,

1304
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Speaker 8: to bring it up. They're probably gonna be better than

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Speaker 8: we think. And I know, Jeff, Jeff, and I look

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Speaker 8: at the gambling numbers, the over runner total is a

1307
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Speaker 8: little bit higher than I if the last time I

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Speaker 8: looked at it, a little bit higher, and I expected

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Speaker 8: to be.

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Speaker 5: To bounce with you, the news came out of Kansas

1311
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 5: City that left tackle Josh Shimmons will appear to be

1312
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Speaker 5: healthy for a training camp, and I think this is

1313
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 5: going to be under reported story because he was looked

1314
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Speaker 5: as off tackle one before he got hurt on October

1315
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Speaker 5: twelfth against against Oregon. How important is it for this

1316
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 5: to work out for Cantacy because if it does, they

1317
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 5: have the love tackle now for the rest of the

1318
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Speaker 5: Holmes career.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's actually torn to Teller ten and and that's

1320
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 8: a longer recovery. So we should should people should understand

1321
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Speaker 8: that that's a seven and nine. It was really it

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Speaker 8: was actually it was reported as a cl but Simmons

1323
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Speaker 8: corrected it was actually to tell at ten and I'm

1324
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Speaker 8: looking at my my notebook here, So that's a that's

1325
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 8: a nine month rehab. Now, one thing I've learned about

1326
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 8: this business with injuries. Everybody's doing well in the off season.

1327
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 8: Let's see what happens when we get to training cap

1328
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 8: where he's at. I'm a little hesitant to give the

1329
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 8: guy the thumbs up that he's absolutely going to be ready,

1330
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 8: uh for the regular season. But yes, he's doing well,

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 8: as I understand it. But let's that's a very bad injury.

1332
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 8: But teller Tenant is worse than an acl I.

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Speaker 4: It's not good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, so let's be careful, all right.

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Speaker 3: So what's the latest on the Aaron Rodgers situation? Is

1336
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Speaker 3: when I could, I couldn't.

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Speaker 8: He's confirmed it. He's confirmed it. Yeah, he's married.

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 4: But there's no pictures though of his wife. I'm not

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 4: saying that I know.

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Speaker 8: Jeff to mention one thing, let me mention one thing

1341
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Speaker 8: with And by the way, Chip Kelly was also a

1342
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 8: little bit weird with his marriages over the years. But

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01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 8: there as you know, because you were he was the

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Speaker 8: O C. I think for what when? Why don't you

1345
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 8: use Yeah? But again he was married. I think he

1346
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 8: was married as a head coach at Organ. I don't

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 8: think anyone even knew, right, Jeff. But yeah, it's it's Chips.

1348
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 8: I like Chip. I've nothing against them.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't fantastic at U C l A.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, that's fine, but that listen, he's a different

1352
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 8: guy and Jeff experienced it because he worked on him.

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 8: But who were we just.

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Speaker 4: Talking about since we just Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Look they're super happy.

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Speaker 8: Look they have a quarterback. They have an answer now

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 8: that they As I kept telling Steve for months, no

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01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 8: matter what these Steelers will tell the public, they were

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 8: not going into the season with Mason rut Office. They're

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01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 8: starting quarterback. I don't care what they tell you publicly.

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Speaker 8: They were going to bring in another veteran to take

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01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 8: the job. So they got it. Look, they know they

1363
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 8: feel they're gonna be better. But Steve and Jeff the

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01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 8: over undertotal, it's still eight and a half in the

1365
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 8: money is being bet on the under which I find faceting.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that. Come on, think about it. I

1367
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: mean they won ten games last year. In fact, they've

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: had a winning record the last four years. Ben roethlisbergers

1369
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: last year he couldn't throw more than ten yards down

1370
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: the field. Ye had Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph, he got

1371
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Speaker 2: whatever that was last year with the Russell will and

1372
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: Justin fields.

1373
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Speaker 3: And you're telling me they're not better off now they.

1374
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Speaker 4: Were divisions better with Bengals possibly.

1375
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Speaker 2: Right, Wole is gonna be? How's Cleveland gonna be? And

1376
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: the Bengals are there? Is there nook?

1377
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 8: Look, let me say this and.

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Speaker 3: By the way, and by the way, the Steelers own

1379
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: the Ravens, right they all.

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Speaker 8: Let me say this though about the Bengals their offense. Now,

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 8: they that they kip t Higgins and we could argue

1382
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 8: whether that was a good decision. That's huge because Jermaine

1383
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 8: Burton has not worked out. That was the guy they

1384
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 8: thought he would replace them. They've made a decision that

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 8: wasn't going to happen. It's defensively for the Bengals. And

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 8: by the way, the Bengals over under Turtles ten and

1387
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 8: a half. Well, It depends which number you look at it.

1388
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 8: It's between nine and ten and a half. Their defense

1389
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 8: at tons is not competitive last season. And now Golden

1390
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 8: comes in, who is a former head coach of Temple

1391
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 8: in Miami, and he's been a defensive coach, so he

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 8: Their feeling is that he'll be way more aggressive to

1393
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 8: lou Ana Romo. But Steve to be honest with you

1394
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 8: that the Bengals always leak oil somewhere. It's not so

1395
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 8: much their offensive line right now. I would worry about

1396
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 8: their defense where they're going to get a pass rush

1397
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 8: quite frankly, other than Hendrickson.

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: All right, well, I'll tell you what we could go

1399
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: all day with this.

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Speaker 8: No, I would love to do two segments.

1401
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 4: We could do.

1402
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: Were already crept into our second. Yeah here, I love

1403
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: to you know, I know it, but we'll cut it

1404
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: off here. Great stuff is so much and we'll talk

1405
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: to you down the road. The great Adam kaplan joining

1406
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: us right there are NFL insider.

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 4: These are all great subjects.

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean you could do an hour in each one

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01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 3: of That's the whole point.

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean, never stops.

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: It never stopped.

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01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 5: So Shamar Stewart Bengals thing that's really fascinating to me

1413
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 5: because wow, it such a self afflicted wound.

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01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: You know, on the other side, I want to ask

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: you a little bit more about that division, because you

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01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: know that is a strong division, but it's a hard

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: division to read. But first let's find out what is

1419
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: trendy as we welcome Martin back with his don't call

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: it a Dodger cap, It's an LA cap.

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 4: I'm just trying.

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 7: Look, the rivalry has intensified up and down I five recently.

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01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 7: I just want to make sure I'm not misrepresenting myself here.

1424
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 3: No, it's it's heated up. Are you an LA guy?

1425
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: I've lived here like eight nine years now. That wasn't

1426
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 3: my question. My question is are you an LA guy?

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: You lived here, That's one thing, But are you an

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01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: LA guy?

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 4: If you didn't answer yes right away, he's not, which

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 4: is fine.

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: I mean, we know it's Michigan roots, but I mean,

1432
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: are you in LA guy?

1433
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: No Michigan by the way, Oh really, wow, Mary Max

1434
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: is fake Michigan runs.

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 7: Well. The thing is as as as I'm sure that

1436
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 7: Jeff can relate to in terms of being somebody really

1437
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 7: rides for the Alma mater.

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: You know that also matters. Yeah, like that also matters.

1439
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 4: Like I like New Orleans so much. Man, the food

1440
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 4: is like, oh, the super Bowl for six days, Go ahead, Jeff.

1441
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: It's just so, it's so. It's one of my favorite cities.

1442
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 7: I think it's one of the few cities that you

1443
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 7: can travel to in the United States and get a

1444
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 7: feeling that you would also get in a foreign country.

1445
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 3: I agree, it's it's that's so unique there. There is

1446
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: only one New Orleans correct period now.

1447
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 7: Brandon Nemo with a home run, the Nick Castianos with

1448
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 7: a double and an RBI so far in the bottom

1449
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 7: of the first inning between the Phillies and the Mets.

1450
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: One one to score. That game is on Fox.

1451
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 7: Depending on where you are, if you're out here on

1452
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 7: the West Coast, you'll probably get this Kansas City and

1453
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 7: San Diego game, top of the second scoreless thus far.

1454
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: Early today, we had a whole bunch of Major League baseball.

1455
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 7: Actually in the Rays, one of the hottest teams in

1456
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 7: baseball right now, twenty two in their last thirty have

1457
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 7: been wins. They got one today beating the Tigers eight

1458
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 7: to three. The Yankees had a perfect I'm sorry not

1459
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 7: a perfect game, no hitter. Fort starting pitcher Clucks Clark

1460
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 7: Schmidt threw seven innings but ended up getting pulled. Yankees

1461
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 7: only gave up one hit, and the offense that have

1462
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 7: been struggling recently got nine runs today for four solo homers.

1463
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 7: Brewers with nine to nothing win over the Twins. Cardinals

1464
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 7: beat the Reds in extras six to five. Mariners with

1465
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 7: a ten to seven win over the Cubs, but Kyle

1466
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 7: Riley did hit his thirtieth home run that sets a

1467
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 7: record for home runs for a switch hitter. Before the

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Speaker 7: All Star Break, Blue Jays pound the White Sox seven

1469
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 7: and seven to one. I mean, don't discount them. They

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Speaker 7: got one run Rangers with a three to two win

1471
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Speaker 7: over the Pirates. The Giants after Raphael Devers two run

1472
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 7: homer beat the Red Sox three to two, Devers getting

1473
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 7: some revenge on his whole team, and the Braves beat

1474
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 7: the Maran seven and nothing. Bad news for the Braves though,

1475
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 7: they're sending Chris Sale to the injury list. He's got

1476
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 7: a fractured left ribcage. He'll be on a fifteen day il.

1477
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 7: That's the raining and ol Cy Young winner.

1478
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: Yes, back to you guys, yeah, no, unbelievable. Comeback here.

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: Last year, Chris Sale, most of you thought he was

1480
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 2: done and then he has a triple crown year leading

1481
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 2: the National League and win strikeouts in the RARA to

1482
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: win that Cy Young Award. Thank you very much, As

1483
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: always Martin. Once again, we're live from the Fox Sports

1484
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Speaker 2: Radio studios. Don't forget after the show. The podcast is

1485
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: going up. So if you miss any of today's show,

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1487
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1488
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1489
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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. You'll see today's show posted

1490
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Speaker 2: right after we get off the air. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I can't I get so bothered. This Schmidt guy had

1492
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: a no hitter through seven innings, right, he threw one

1493
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: hundred and three pitches.

1494
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Speaker 3: They yank him. I mean, come on, I mean, I mean.

1495
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Speaker 1: You yank him.

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I I'm always curious about those decisions because you know,

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 5: like I guess, you never want a guy to throw

1499
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty in a game.

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Speaker 3: But I got to throw one hundred and forty.

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: But also to like the.

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01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 5: First hit, you just take him out, right, So Uh,

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 5: you know, this brewer is rookie. He threw the five

1504
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 5: innings last week, gave up no hits, and I think

1505
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 5: he went at least six yesterday week.

1506
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 2: He's had a major league record most consecutive hitless innings

1507
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: to start a major league career eleven in a row.

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01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: Then he gave up a walk, and then he gave

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 3: up the home run.

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01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then they pulled him. He ended up with

1511
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 4: look over here at eighty six, so not not bad. Yeah.

1512
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 5: I'm always curious about about the extension of because like

1513
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 5: this time, you know, I was I was at a

1514
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 5: little league game today and they had a pitcher throw

1515
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 5: of the eighty five pitches on an All Star game,

1516
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 5: and like, you know, it's the end of the season.

1517
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 5: Like by now, I think, guys, nothing, that season't for

1518
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 5: major league baseball. But you're multiple months in. I mean,

1519
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 5: you know, I feel like you could stretch them a

1520
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 5: little bit for special moments.

1521
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: Come on, you got a no hit or you know,

1522
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: yate the guy. I just I it drives me nuts.

1523
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 4: Did they give up a hit right afterwards?

1524
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: Did they they gave up one hit?

1525
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: By the way, By the way, in nineteen seventy four,

1526
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: Nolan Ryan, who by the way, would pitch another twenty years,

1527
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: pitched a game against the Red Sox. He struck out

1528
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,879
Speaker 2: nineteen hitters over thirteen innings. Angels won that game in fifteen.

1529
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: In that game, he threw two hundred and thirty five pitches.

1530
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 4: That's not healthy either, though, you.

1531
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: Know what, he was still throwing one hundred miles and

1532
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: now he didn't break a sweat, and so the idea

1533
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: that he was still throwing heat and throwing no hitters

1534
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years later.

1535
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 3: The way they baby these guys, I mean, I'm sorry.

1536
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, I think it's Look, if a

1537
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 5: guy's a one hundred pitch is still throwing hard, then

1538
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 5: I think it's good to go, you know. But obviously

1539
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 5: there are times I was not watching the game that

1540
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 5: or just you know, you're clearly, you know, feeling in

1541
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 5: some sort of way. I don't think he was. I

1542
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 5: was looking at tweets. It seemed like he was pitching

1543
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 5: just fine. Yeah, and they and they pulled him. But

1544
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna get worked up about it.

1545
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 3: All right, Let's get back to this AFC North.

1546
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So again, I look, I'm not a

1547
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: big Aaron Rodgers fan, I much prefer if he had retired.

1548
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: But I don't understand why you have a coach who's

1549
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: never had a losing season is suddenly going to have

1550
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: a losing season when he had an upgrade. This is

1551
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: a quarterback that started seventeen games a year ago for

1552
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: a bad team. The Jets a worse organization than Jets.

1553
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: The Steelers are a much better organization than the Jets

1554
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: can ever dream of being. Why would they take a

1555
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: step back? He showed he could start every game last

1556
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 2: year he did for a bad Jets team. You know,

1557
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: it's not like the Steelers are void of talent, So

1558
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,839
Speaker 2: why are they going to take a step backwards?

1559
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 3: And when we look at that division, Cleveland is a

1560
01:12:59,439 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: big question.

1561
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about war Cleveland's going to be there,

1562
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: starting with their quarterback position.

1563
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: The Bengals still have.

1564
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: To prove they can play any kind of defense, and

1565
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin has owned John Harbaugh. The Steelers have the

1566
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 2: winning record head to head against the Ravens, so why

1567
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: would they fall backwards?

1568
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure this out.

1569
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is not as bad as

1570
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 5: people want him to be. I think that's a good

1571
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 5: place to start here. So that certainly helps your point out.

1572
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 5: But their schedule is UH is going to be difficult

1573
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 5: as it always is. If the Bengals get a little

1574
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 5: bit better, that's you know, that makes them more difficult

1575
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 5: out And I just think their roster is aging at

1576
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 5: certain positions, it's not great at other positions. I think

1577
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 5: they'll just look at them and think, like the talent

1578
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 5: is just doesn't match during nine to eight to this season,

1579
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 5: but they do it right. They just continually find ways

1580
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 5: to win these games that are ugly. I mean, they've

1581
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 5: won multiple games without scoring a touchdown, which is wild,

1582
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 5: but that's what the team has been now. It's not

1583
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 5: bad actually, Jets, Seahawks, Patriots, Vikings, Browns, Bengals, Packers, Colts, Chargers.

1584
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 5: I think it's just a lack of faith in their

1585
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 5: entire UH design of the team. Like here's where I

1586
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 5: said on the Rogers stuff, Steve is, how does this

1587
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 5: the Steelers continually thinking the short term not the long term.

1588
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 5: And it's okay to do both, but you can't just

1589
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 5: and they think about the quick fix for this given season.

1590
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 3: In the first round, yeah, they.

1591
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 5: Drafted, they drafted quarterback in the first round of a

1592
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 5: draft that wasn't good at quarterback. He was the first

1593
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 5: one draft in that in that year, so they I

1594
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 5: guess they tried ish, but this is the year they

1595
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 5: should have drafted. Like I'm still stunned in draft Sherif

1596
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 5: Anders I I Rogers gets him one year and and

1597
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 5: maybe they win a playoff game, as there is their

1598
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 5: max this season, and then next year they're in the

1599
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 5: Zach same Now next year a great quarterback class coming

1600
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 5: out of college. So maybe this is the finding of

1601
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 5: the year that they find someone. But I think people

1602
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 5: just look at the Steelers with a little apathy, like,

1603
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 5: all right, well, I guess it's Rogers and they'll just

1604
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 5: do what they normally do and at some point this

1605
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 5: has to come to an end, though too.

1606
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that.

1607
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what they normally do is win more games

1608
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: than they lose and then go belly up first round

1609
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. I mean that I can understand if

1610
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: you're critical Mike Tomlin, like, Okay, at some point you

1611
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: got to win a playoff game, you know, just making

1612
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs or eching in and you're getting a wild

1613
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: card and going down the first round is not going

1614
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: to be enough. All right, We're up against it because

1615
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: on the other side, I've got to get some Jeff

1616
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: Schwartz picks for tomorrow's Game seven of the NBA Finals

1617
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: between the Pacers and the Thunder.

1618
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Saturday.

1619
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,760
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1620
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,479
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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,800
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01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,519
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1623
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: all the updates on another big day of sports. Mary Mac.

1624
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:09,160
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1625
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. And speaking of stars, or show grace

1626
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: today by one of the great stars of this radio.

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Speaker 3: Network, the legendary elite a lap Hey Steve.

1628
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: From the very beginning, we knew this guy is gonna

1629
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 2: be something special and he has proven to be just

1630
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 2: that and beyond love you late, thanks man for hanging

1631
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: out with us. Of course, he is responsible for Yeah,

1632
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: two pros and a cup of Joe. That show is

1633
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: not it's just not happening without you, Is that truly?

1634
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: Yes, some days they make it without me.

1635
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 4: I've heard that's true.

1636
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. By the way.

1637
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 2: As you know or don't know, Jeff Lee is a

1638
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: diehard Packers fan. Can you give a little preview what

1639
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 2: kind of green Bay season we should expect this year?

1640
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 3: Una gonna own the North as always, Steve hear that.

1641
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 3: What do you think, Jeff is green Bay gonna own

1642
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: the North?

1643
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 4: Green Bay fascinates me.

1644
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: They are tough to figure them out when you're in

1645
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 2: the same division with the Lions and the Viking.

1646
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 5: Well, so they are who they are, which is very important.

1647
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 5: They have a way that wins and works. But I

1648
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 5: don't know if they have enough playmakers.

1649
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 4: As a team.

1650
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 5: I'm kind of curious that they take the next step

1651
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 5: with love and sort of the offensive piece of how

1652
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 5: good Golden is immediately would be helpful. I'm not as

1653
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 5: concerned about the Alexander, I will say, as much as

1654
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 5: I don't like to give teams credit ever for cutting players,

1655
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 5: teams typically do pretty well when they cut like the

1656
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: older injured player, that player, you know, it's a premier position.

1657
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 5: If they want to keep them and they thought he

1658
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 5: could perform, they would.

1659
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 4: Keep them right like. That's that's so I'm not sure

1660
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 4: that that's as big.

1661
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 5: Of a deal, But I just look at like what

1662
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 5: I call game wreckers, right, Like, how many game wreckers

1663
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 5: do the Packers have?

1664
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if they have a ton. They play

1665
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 4: well together. It's a team, which is important.

1666
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 5: That's I'm sort of curious, Like, are there players that

1667
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 5: emerge a sort of these game wreckerds throughout the season?

1668
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm in their playoff caliber team.

1669
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: We know that. And then the question is, you know,

1670
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: what do you do when he hits to the postseason?

1671
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: All right, no more delay?

1672
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: All right?

1673
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: So I know tomorrow obviously you're going to have a

1674
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 3: big show.

1675
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: You guys are going to break it it all down

1676
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 2: as we get ready for Games seven tomorrow night at

1677
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals.

1678
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 3: The thing about Jeff is Jeff takes us seriously. I

1679
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: know this firsthand.

1680
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: He breaks down the numbers. There's a lot of homework involved.

1681
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: He's just not winging it. Okay, doesn't mean he's right

1682
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: all the time, but there's a reason. There's a reason

1683
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: why he's come to the conclusion that certain plays are

1684
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: the best plays. So I don't want you to give

1685
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: us everything because I want to make sure everyone's listening

1686
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, but give us a sampling of things that

1687
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: you like to play for tomorrow night's game.

1688
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 5: So I'm a big fan of the NBA postseason of

1689
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 5: zig zag wagering. Right, So you know, you look at

1690
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 5: the way a team or player played in a game,

1691
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 5: and then the next game go the opposite direction.

1692
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 4: Right.

1693
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 5: So I'll give you two examples. One is, Oklahoma City

1694
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 5: played their worst offensive game of the season in Game six.

1695
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 5: I think the first quarter of Game seven they're gonna

1696
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 5: be it might be their best quarter the bad all season, Right,

1697
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 5: they're gonna be, correct, So I like Oklahoma City to

1698
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 5: cover the first quarter and minus three right, to win

1699
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 5: the quarter by three or more points. After losses, they've

1700
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 5: been really good in the first quarter outside of one

1701
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 5: Denver game. They've been good at home this year in

1702
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 5: first quarters. It's a good spot to catch a team

1703
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 5: that played really poorly in Game six.

1704
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 4: Start fast, now, why not full game? I don't know.

1705
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 5: I know again, fourth quarter, we'll see how it goes.

1706
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 5: And then I like alx Caruso had zero points on

1707
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 5: twenty two minutes.

1708
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 4: In Game six.

1709
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's coming off a twenty point game in

1710
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 3: Game five.

1711
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 4: No, it was game before that actual four. Yeah, the

1712
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 4: game five and six wasn't wasn't great back at home.

1713
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 5: I think over eight and a half, is it just

1714
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 5: a good spot for some of the zig zag right

1715
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 5: where you didn't play well in game five and six,

1716
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 5: you're back at home. You didn't shoot the ball a

1717
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 5: lot in those games either. I think Cruzo has a

1718
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 5: much better game for the Thunder. All more plays tomorrow.

1719
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 4: For you guys.

1720
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: All right, So Haliburton, obviously he only played twenty three

1721
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: minutes in game six, and apparently you know, he had

1722
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: been telling his coach, look if I don't look right,

1723
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: pull me, and Carlos said, you look okay to me,

1724
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: and he played in twenty three minutes. Unfortunately, they had

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Speaker 2: such a blot win they didn't have to worry about that. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: it's great to catch up with you again. Be listening

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Speaker 2: to him tomorrow morning, and keep it right here. Much

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Speaker 2: more coming up on Fox Sports Radio.