WEBVTT - 529 - How About Logical? 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:17.720 Hello and welcome. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.920 I'm my favorite murder that's Georgia Heartstar. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.319 That's Karen Kilgarith, and we're here to present some things 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:24.640 to your real quick. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.480 Real quick. You wanted to tell you a couple of things. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.800 It's going to be fast, like an hour and fifty 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:29.319 two minutes. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.080 I'll get you out of here, in and out. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.120 Yeah boom, don't worry about it. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.239 Okay, I have to pull this out immediately because we 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.400 put lotion on before every show. It's like our ritual, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:39.800 it's our rich And I was putting my nod on. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.200 I meant to tell you that I got my nails 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.199 done by a murderino today. This murderina named Jess. She 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.160 was awesome, old school murderino. And then I just realized 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.559 as I was putting lotion on that I forgot to 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.080 put my fucking wedding ring back on. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.640 Does that mean it's at the No? 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.120 No, no, it's at my house. I took it off 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.120 of my house, thank god. But I just was like, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.279 if I don't have a wedding ring on and this 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.480 goes up, are going to be like are they okay? 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.680 The dms are going to start? Yeah, and Peele are 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:04.880 gonna be a what's up girl? 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.600 Plus, it looks like Vince left for fucking WrestleMania this morning. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.560 It looks like I'm my husband's gone take off my 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:11.679 ring for the weekend. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.120 Yeah, that's too many coincidences, it is, I'm calling him now. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.120 I don't know. I didn't see her anywhere specifically, but 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.000 I know I can feel it. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.120 Hashtag what's even happening? That ring on that rist one? 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.040 But he did give me this one too, Okay, yeah, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:28.479 and I did what that came on purpose? It has 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:29.840 to do with my story, so you do. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.959 There, we go there, it's all day. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:34.200 Oh my god, I almost got a. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.080 Divorce just there out of nowhere, really quick before the 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.560 show started. Divorce it could be. I mean I think 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.280 it has been. It must be in the past, called Utah. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.840 You know. It's funny. I was thinking about when we 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.120 were in Austin for the iHeartRadio Awards and a girl 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.280 came up to us afterwards and was just saying hi, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.440 and then said, I'm the one that you called a 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.760 bitch on cameo what remember that? I could have sworn 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.720 you were standing next to me. A girl came up 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.120 and was like, ha ha ha I spent two hundred 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.440 and fifty dollars on cameo for you to tell my 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.000 friend happy birthday or something like that. And she goes 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.720 and you called me a stupid bitch. And then I 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.160 never got my cameo. And I was like, we're not 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.160 on cameo. We're not on cameo. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.160 You're not on cameo. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.519 No, we've never been, don't ever. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.440 So she gave her money to some fucking people pretending 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:25.040 to be us. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.920 Not only pretending to be us, but insulting people after 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.519 they give him their money. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.800 Let's look it up right now. So, oh my god, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.920 I think I have cameos if you can look it up. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.960 Who did I get to do a cameo once? 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.200 Well, you got all my Kevin? Is it Kevin Hart? 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:39.480 Yeah? 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.360 No, no, no, no, no, that's a comedian, the wrestler, the wrestler. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.240 Guy, Kevin Vaughan Air. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.000 No, no, it's the guy that was on Detroiter's that 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.799 plays Tim Robbins's dad. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.959 Oh, he was a stripper in the strip. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.760 Club in Magic Mike, Magic Mike. That's it, big fan. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.720 I've gotten two cameos from him. It's from Georgia and Vince. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.760 Kevin Nash. Yes, Kevin Nash, Kevin Nash. Okay, here's people 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.600 are also asking why is my favorite word to rein 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.000 canceled our? Karen and George is still friends? 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:05.560 Who is? 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:06.320 Okay? 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.639 No, that's a fan cult video right there. We can 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.600 answer that. We will answer those questions, but it's going 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:13.760 to be behind a paywall. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.920 I don't know it does. Nothing's coming up, but there 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.720 are not on hany that's so horrible. I know. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.320 There's also a chance that girl mistook me for somebody 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.359 else and she was like, oh I meant the Giggly 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.440 Squad girls or something like you know what I mean? 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.200 Oh I blessed today we get fucking mixed up for 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.880 the Ghiggly Squad girls, Like. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.880 Please, can I get We're forty years younger the Giggly Squad? 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.160 You know what's going on? 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.120 Aunties? Oh my god. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.760 Nora actually told me that's her favorite podcast and I 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.840 just stared into her face. So what am I supposed 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:45.400 to do here? Now? 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.120 That's no. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.360 Yeah, everybody gets to like what they want, but please 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.800 don't pay money. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.920 For Also, we would never charge two hundred fifty dollars 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.400 to hear us f This is free. This is free here. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:04.920 Hold on, Happy birthday, Ashley, Happy birthday, Ashley. What Ashley too? 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.200 I get what we're doing. Ok Ashley with the e 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.600 e e e y. Do you have anything? Did you 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.000 see the Baby Jessica thing? Yes, Baby Jessica who you covered? 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.920 Say that show title? 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:24.440 In episode two two one, Symbolic Violins, who was down 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.919 a well when she was a baby, was arrested on 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:27.799 assault charges. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.520 No fun, no fun? Did you already watch trust Me 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:32.279 The Lost Prophet. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:33.320 We're in the middle of it right now. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.000 Okay, I have to start it, but everyone keeps talking 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.520 to me about it, where I'm just like, I know, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:38.360 I know, I have. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.000 To watch it. Did you watch the movie? It's called 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.880 The Dramas and Aya and Robert Patterson is that his name? 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.120 Pattinson whatever? 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.520 Yeah, Okay, no, you don't see that. I'm surprised. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.080 No, I haven't gone to the movie since so long. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.520 Okay, it's like the first time I want to go 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.520 to the movie in ages because there's a spoiler, and 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.080 I know by the time it goes on streaming, I'm 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.880 going to have heard it. Yes, and I'm trying to 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.520 avoid it, but I just need to go see it. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.520 That's a big part of movies. You just want to 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:02.000 know first. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.880 Yeah, and I want to know like authentically, not like 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.320 reading a fucking New York Post or something. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.120 Yes, the cinema has been ruined in many ways for 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.360 all of us, but that way where I watch people 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.440 or read people fighting about it and all these opinions, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:18.919 and then I'm like, well, I don't want to have 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.159 any of these opinions. I'll have a brand new opinion. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.479 And then it's like what Then you go to the 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.440 movies and you're doing a whole different thing. It's such 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.600 an irritating way to have preprocessed entertainment. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.800 Well, thank god there's alcohol in theaters now, because true, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.120 I don't know how other people do it. It's two 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.719 and a half fucking hours just sitting there without a 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.239 bud Ca soda. Please. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.520 You know what I did see recently, Johnny Pemberton is 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.200 the star of a movie. I think it's called Mermaid, Yes, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.640 and it's Indy, and we went to see it. It was 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.440 like its first showing in LA Is It Great? It 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.080 was so I adored Johnny as a comedian, to see 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.680 him as a kind of serious kind of comedy because 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.120 it's a creepy movie. It's a lot going on. Definitely 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.680 worth the watch. But to watch Johnny be like the 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.240 leading man is amazing. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.600 Giding a man who looks twenty. It's like the best 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:09.640 I know. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.520 And so many people love him from Fallout, people love 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.920 him from all kinds of stuff. That he's already done everything, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.040 he's been in so many things. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.640 That's really exciting. Yeah, Mermaid, why am I playing fitsy 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.839 with you? Should we do? 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.000 You need more room over there? 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:22.440 And that means we should get started. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.960 That's probably that's you signaling to me under the table. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.520 Oh hey, we have a podcast network. It's called Exactly 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:31.159 Right Media. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.000 It's correct, not slip your mind. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:33.320 Yep. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.120 Here's some highlights from it over on our podcast. Then Knife, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.120 Hannah and Patia revisit the nineteen ninety five murder of 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.200 twenty one year old Jennifer Evans in Virginia Beach, and 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.640 then Advocate Aaron Lopman joins them to walk through Dusty 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.239 Turner's case and all the questions surrounding his conviction. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.960 And then this week on Brief Recess It's a Hopecore episode, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.800 Michael and Melissa reveal they share a birthday week and 0:06:59.160 --> 0:06:59.720 they didn't know that. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.560 No, It's like, I just love a big He's an 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:08.080 immigration lawyer, literally fighting ice in the courts every day. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.160 And then they're like, you know what, we have the 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.880 same birthday week. It's like, yep, get it where you can. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.720 Absolutely and Seth Porge's director of Class Action Park, Oh 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.920 my god. It was such a good documentary. And the 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.480 upcoming Santa Con documentary returns to discuss news that the 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.440 founder of Santa Con was charged with federal wire fraud 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.840 for stealing over one million dollars from the organization. Where 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.200 did they get one million dollars from? 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.240 What organization? Isn't the whole thing disorganization? 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.120 I think they get money to give presents to children 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:36.480 in need. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:37.120 I hope so. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.240 But no, because he took all that money and got. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.800 Posted drunk allegedly and then harassed the citizens of New 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:48.320 York exactly. Okay. Then, of course, Disgraceland our newest hit podcast, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.520 So exciting to have Jake Brennan here with us. They're 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.880 back this week covering Depeche Mode. Jake tells the story 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.960 of excess addiction and the West Hollywood overdose that left 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:02.560 front man David Kahan clinically dead before the band's unlikely resurrection. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.920 I love this, like just he does these like snippets 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.600 of time about the band. It's not the history from 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.480 start to finish. It's just like, here's what life was 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.280 like during this time when whatever happened happened with them. Yeah, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.560 it's so fucking fascinating. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:17.800 It's such good writing. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.240 Yeah, such good writing. And then we have a little 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.440 treet for you. 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Jake 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.760 looks at Sigourney Weaver through a very strange and unsettling lens. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.440 He's telling the story of how one death Row inmate 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.960 came to see her as a goddess sent to battle evil. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.120 Wow, not a hard thing to like assumption to jump to. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.320 I don't know if that's not true, but it's scary. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.360 It's very scary. Yeah, all right, well you go first, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:15.280 I go first, right, So I'm going to turn it 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:16.160 around on you. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:17.080 Oh shit. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.280 The story I'm doing is one of the most notorious 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.320 cold cases in recent history. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:21.880 Oh my god. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 It begins with the twenty ten disappearance of a young 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.839 woman named Shannon Gilbert. Police begin to search for her 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.800 on the beach side roadway where she's last seen, and 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.680 that's when they begin to find one horrific discovery after another. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.199 The remains of ten women are found between December twenty 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.040 ten and April twenty eleven, setting off a chain of 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.079 events that, now more than fifteen years later, has finally 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:50.640 been solved. This is the story of the Gilgo Coach murderer. Shit. Yeah, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.120 neither rest have ever done it. We've never done it. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.160 And when I was talking to Molly about it, our producer, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.720 and we're like, do you think Maren could turn this 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.680 around where we could do it and try to be 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.240 timely because all of this is happening right now. Maren's like, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.079 were you planning on covering this before it got solved? 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:09.560 Like it wasn't on your list at all? 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.120 No, yeah, I'm no, same, not on my list because 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.760 to me it felt like, and especially all the things 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.600 I've seen of it over the years, it's just like, well, 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.160 we know this is where all these bodies have been found, right, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.079 and that's about it totally, and like we have some 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.400 suspects and we have some ideas, and then of course 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.640 there was like, well, let's get into it, let's do it. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.480 I was literally just going to start talking it out 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.880 and then repeat it later. But thanks Maren, our researcher 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.000 for turning it around and always doing such an amazing 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.520 job and that idea, it's like, wait, can we this 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.600 is breaking news? Can we actually start talking? 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.560 Hey, what are you doing this week? Can you just 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.960 do this? Yeah? Marin and Ali my god, yeah, the best. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.439 Our researchers on the show are the best in the 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.080 absolutely so. The main source used in this story today 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.120 is the writing of journalist Robert Kolker, who has reported 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.400 extensively on this case. He actually published a book about 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.120 it called Lost Girls, and also he did a deep 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.000 dive in the New York Times magazine called the Botched 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.600 Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer, and then the rest 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.640 of the sources are in our show notes. We start 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.600 on the early morning of May one, twenty ten, and 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.360 Shannon Gilbert is in a car headed for Long Island. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.640 She is just twenty three years old, but she's been 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.360 through a lot. She's endured some very difficult things in 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.800 her childhood, including having to go to foster care at 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.640 one point. But Shannon's friends remember her as a radiant, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.240 popular girl with undeniable talent, because going through hard stuff 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.079 in life also really galvanizes you totally and who you are. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.680 And the thing I'd never heard about Shannon before is 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.120 that Shannon can really sing. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:47.040 Oh. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.319 Reporter Robert Kolker describes her as having a quote soulful 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.880 voice that gave some of her friend's chills and made 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.960 others cry wow. So she's just a good singer. In 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.600 eighth grade, she was cast as Miss Hannigan in her 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.080 school's production of Annie, and that was a life changing 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.840 experience for her. She realizes she wants to be a 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.840 star after she graduates from high school. She does try 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.640 to make that dream come true, but as many of 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.080 us know, it's very hard to make a living when 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.600 that is what your goal is. So Shannon sometimes earns 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.959 money through sex work, and she advertises as an escort 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.960 on Craigslist and in Backpage. So when she gets a booking, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.760 typically she'll use a mail driver to take her to 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.680 the appointments, both for transportation and for her personal safety, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.600 and so that's what she does on May first, twenty ten. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.880 Her driver is a man who she's not only worked 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.160 with before, but she considers a friend. His name's Michael Pack. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.720 He picks her up. They head down Ocean Parkway, which 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.320 is that long road that runs right next to the 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.800 ocean and spans a very long swath of southern Long Island. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.200 Parts of Ocean Parkway are very dark at night, except 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.120 for like the cars coming in the other direction. Shannon's driver, Michael, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.600 pulls off the road into a gated community in Oa Beach. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.439 As Shannon disappears into our client's home. The driver waits 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.480 outside in the car, and everything is basically routine until 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.080 around five am. Also, I just say the client is 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.840 a man named Joseph Brewer. I think it's important to 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.240 start talking about the men that are involved in these cases. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.200 It's weird because I just caught myself doing that where 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.240 it's like, oh, well, we don't have to get into that, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.319 but we're getting into Shannon's whole life. So Joseph Brewer 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.200 is in this too, and that should be I think standard. 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:30.560 Sure. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.800 So there's a lot we don't and may never know 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.080 about what happened that night, But what we do know 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.600 is that at one point, around five am, Shannon calls 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.040 nine to one to one and she sounds terrified and disoriented. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.719 She can't explain where she is or what's happening to her. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.760 She just says, someone's trying to kill her. God. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.360 This is the most chilling, most chilling part, But also 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.319 none of this story I feel like would have gotten 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.000 out there if this weird chilling thing hadn't happened. Almost exactly. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.880 It made people pay attention to what was already going 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:00.840 on for years. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:06.080 Yes, a horrible rock being moved, and this victim who 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:11.840 her death, while entirely senseless, actually brings the authorities to 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.320 all of these other cold cases that are just there, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.360 like just right there. So the nine to one one 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.960 recording of the call has been released since you can 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.840 listen to it, and on it you can hear both 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.880 Joseph Burah and Michael Pack talking to Shannon in the background, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.120 but it's hard to make out or make sense of 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.840 what's going on. What we know from here is based 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.880 on witness statements. Shannon's client says that she suddenly started 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.280 to panic when she was in his house. He went 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.880 outside to ask the driver for help getting her out 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.880 of the house, getting her to leave, and then the 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.680 driver and the client both tried to calm her down 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.000 while still inside the house, with the goal of basically 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.800 trying to get her into the car, but because Shannon 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.640 is so terrified, it doesn't work, and after a few minutes, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.920 her driver states that he goes back to the car, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.400 unsure of what to do, presumably, and that's when he 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.080 watches Shannon bolt out of this house and sprint into 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.520 the darkness. What we do know now is that she 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.840 went and knocked on some neighbor's doors, and actually at 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.960 least one of those neighbors brought her inside, but then 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.280 she was still so freaked out. And the thing I 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.120 keep thinking of this is all theory and opinion, but 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.080 what I keep thinking of is that she got drugged 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:25.280 ket I mean ketamine. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.520 Will fucking do that to you immediately, right, or. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.960 Just like any drug worst that you think you're here 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.720 and you're handling things this way and all of a 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.200 sudden you know it's not good and you're not in control. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.360 We've all been there with drugs that we knew we took. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.400 We freaked the fuck out. Yeah, and then not knowing 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:40.840 that you took them. That's like ten. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:41.800 Times worse being drugs. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.640 Yeah, So being drugged, yeah, I also know. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.400 Yeah, being drug So Michael Pack says he tries to 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.400 find her. He drives around for a while looking for her. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.800 He never finds her, so he goes home, assuming she 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.440 just find a way to get back to New Jersey herself, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.880 not the job of a driver in that scenario. The 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.640 problem is Shannon never finds her way back to New Jersey, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.240 and her worried boyfriend there quickly reaches out to the driver. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.120 He admits that he left Long Island without her. The 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:16.040 two reportedly call around to different precincts. No one's seen her, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.760 so her boyfriend files a missing person's report and that's it. Basically, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.840 Shannon's case gets almost no media attention. As author Robert 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.960 Kolker writes, quote a missing sex worker rarely does. So 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.160 now we're back on Long Island and investigators begin searching 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.200 for Shannon where she was last seen, including the coastal 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.880 stretch off Ocean Parkway along Oak Beach and nearby Gilgo Beach. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.640 The terrain is marshy and uneven, and because it's spring 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.120 turning to summer, it's also crawling with poison ivy and 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.080 very thick brambles, very hard to search. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.880 Looks very swampy like Florida e right, and. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.960 It's a part of beach where it truly is like 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.480 there's houses, there's ocean park, there's these brambles, sand and 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.440 the ocean right there. So the police continue the search 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.479 throughout the year. I don't know how often, but it 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.879 does continue. And then as falterned to winter, that overgrowth 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.840 is finally less thick, and on December eleventh, seven months 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.520 after Shannon was last seen, police dogs hit on human remains. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.240 They've found these remains hidden deep in the brambles, bound 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.480 with strips of burlap. Two days later, they find three 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.600 more burlap bound sets of remains. So they basically stumble 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.560 upon stumble upon a graveyard that they are there just 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.040 to get additional evidence for the first remains, and then 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.760 it's another and another, and they're bound the same way 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:50.760 with the same material, same size of assuming woman. I mean, like, yeah, horrifying. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.119 None of the remains belong to Shannon Gilbert. When the 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.880 DNA tests come back, investigators identify twenty four year old 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.560 Melissa Barthelemy, who had been missing for over a year. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.520 She'd gone missing in two thousand and nine, last seen 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.000 at her apartment in the Bronx, and like Shannon, she 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.080 was ambitious. She dreamed of opening her own hair salon. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.159 She's a really talented hairdresser. She did sex work to 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.760 pay the bills. Melissa was very close with her family, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.800 who clearly loved her very much. In fact, in July 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.200 of two thousand and nine, right before she went missing, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.280 her little sister Amanda was planning to come and visit 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.040 her in New York. In a July eleventh phone call, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.920 they talked through Amanda's upcoming trip, and the next day, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.280 July twelfth, Melissa set out to meet a client on 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.880 Long Island, and she was never seen again. Melissa's disappearance 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.960 devastated her family, and her sister Amanda once said quote, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.679 she was not only my blood sister. She was my 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.880 soul sister, so they were very close obviously. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:47.200 Yeah. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.160 Another body identified as twenty five year old Maureen Brainerd 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.200 Barnes of Norwich, Connecticut. She was reported missing in July 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.399 of two thousand and seven, and she had last been 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.400 seen in New York City. Her loved ones remember her 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.880