Speaker 1: Watch up with a g l a double dollar sign,
Speaker 1: the shot that's right, Glasses Alone, and you can check
Speaker 1: me out on my homeboy the Bootleg cav podcast Kicking
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Speaker 2: CAV White Guys. Glasses Malone is on the show. We
Speaker 2: have his new album, Cancel These Nuts, Cancel These Nuts.
Speaker 2: It's here. Yeah, got the hard copies, old school. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen a real like dope CD in a while.
Speaker 1: It's really dope too. I'm like, man, we did a team,
Speaker 1: we really put that together and it's nice. Came out
Speaker 1: so nice. Oh yeah, this is a real CD. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: replicated and.
Speaker 2: People can go online and get the autograph version.
Speaker 1: The crypstore dot Com.
Speaker 2: I like that. Let me ask you something, when you
Speaker 2: do something called the cryptstore dot com, are there other
Speaker 2: crips that feel some type of way that they're because
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: There's there's so many cribs.
Speaker 2: There's krypt Cola, there was Mike, there was the crips
Speaker 2: that claimed like cryp LLC that tried to suit Nipsy's yea,
Speaker 2: I was funny. So you have the crypt Store. Does
Speaker 2: anyone owned the crypts? I don't know on the business side,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wouldn't even really worry about it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even think twice about it.
Speaker 2: Seems like a non crypt thing to do the crib store. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like a non crypt thing to do.
Speaker 1: To be like, I trademarked that, it's definitely a non
Speaker 1: crypt thing to do. I don't know any crypts actively
Speaker 1: looking to copyright that term the crips. I just would say,
Speaker 1: it's just a bit broad, you know. I think most
Speaker 1: cribs look at it like it's just a broad concept.
Speaker 1: We all being right in the eye of the storm.
Speaker 1: We all understand crippin is a much more diverse thing
Speaker 1: and everybody has their own claim to it as far
Speaker 1: as Los Angeles goes and now across the world.
Speaker 2: I listened to the album. My favorite is the twenty
Speaker 2: one STEMI Flow. That's tight. I like us with the Smoke.
Speaker 2: One of the guys La Giants had La Giants are
Speaker 2: on that record. That was both of them. The first
Speaker 2: verse that they did it was super dope. When they
Speaker 2: were like Kendall Jenner wouldn't have her lips, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's Joey Joey West.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and he went right before Cam and
Speaker 1: you know that's Cams That's right. We think West Coast
Speaker 1: Cam's wheelhouse. Bro, Yeah, that's his wheelhouse. So for Joey
Speaker 1: to go, he got off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he did his thing. Man was dope. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like it feels like a little like obviously
Speaker 2: your album, but you obviously have the La Giants heavily
Speaker 2: intertwined throughout the project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just feit what was going on at the time.
Speaker 2: Are they like Blue Division?
Speaker 1: No, No, they got they got their own label, Giant Life.
Speaker 1: I just market their stuff. Okay, So I mean I
Speaker 1: guess they are Blue Division to some degree, but really
Speaker 1: it was about helping them build their own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you took a liking to them and wanted to help.
Speaker 1: I've been knowing them probably twenty years, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I've always liked them, But I just think, uh,
Speaker 1: God created a space. I'm forgive me for getting all
Speaker 1: extra spiritual, but he created the space. And I realized
Speaker 1: we had so many things in common this late in
Speaker 1: our life, right, and so shit, we just started working
Speaker 1: and they was talking about jumping on records, and I
Speaker 1: just as long as they had fun and they end
Speaker 1: up being like way better you know what I mean
Speaker 1: than I ever could have thought. Like I would have
Speaker 1: never thought walking into it. We was gonna be making
Speaker 1: this many records, right Yeah?
Speaker 2: Cause wa you guys. I mean, I feel like you've
Speaker 2: been pushing them for a couple of years now.
Speaker 1: Guess second year.
Speaker 2: Let's swap the court out this tripping yesterday?
Speaker 1: Uh, what kind of Mike is that? What kind of
Speaker 1: XLR this is?
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? Court? Yeah yeah, but just one of the
Speaker 2: other courts. Shit, what was it doing?
Speaker 3: It was just cutting out. It was doing it yesterday.
Speaker 3: M school who won't retire at hell for sure?
Speaker 2: Your road makes the same.
Speaker 1: I'm buying something, man, Road to give you something.
Speaker 2: Do you have a contact. Yeah, I've spent so much
Speaker 2: fucking money with Road. I just bought the little Road
Speaker 2: duo just for the road. Funny, dude, Road, I'd be watching.
Speaker 2: I'm like a road geek. I love their Road backpack.
Speaker 2: I was about to buy it last night. Tell him
Speaker 2: send me one of their backpacks. Yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 1: I'll tell Greg you reaching out to have Greg reach
Speaker 1: out to you.
Speaker 2: The I just bought him. I just bought him. I
Speaker 2: ordered him four hundred. I just sent like the last
Speaker 2: like seventy hours. I spent a rock with Road.
Speaker 1: They've been doing a lot of stuff, all right.
Speaker 2: Roland, Okay, we were talking about Mike Cord cutout. We're
Speaker 2: talking about LA giants. Obviously they're all over the project. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they just fit. They just fit.
Speaker 1: We the same type of It's crazy. It is because
Speaker 1: all of these artists I've worked with, I can't say
Speaker 1: everybody had as much of an LA experience as I have. Right,
Speaker 1: everybody hasn't been a gang banger. If they have, they
Speaker 1: haven't low they haven't had a low rider, been on Crenshall.
Speaker 1: If they have, you know, maybe they never show dope
Speaker 1: if they have, Maybe they never street race, maybe they
Speaker 1: never functioned. The LA Johns was like the first acts
Speaker 1: that I worked with. To me, that did all of
Speaker 1: the same LA things.
Speaker 2: That I did, including risk your life for some good Chicken.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, It's fucking truth, which is which is
Speaker 1: song number seven ye Jim Dandy. But it's like that,
Speaker 1: it's so many different places. It's funny because that's like
Speaker 1: a TV show. I'm finishing up. I rolled and I'm finished.
Speaker 1: Shoot Van Lathan, a couple of hombies helping me to
Speaker 1: produce it, but dying at your own wrist. That's the
Speaker 1: experience in l A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are always people who are like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: there's some great because what's the the o G Louisiana
Speaker 2: Chicken is where? And it's like if you're over dangerous,
Speaker 2: it's dangerous. But that's how it is.
Speaker 1: So Jim Dandy's and Denver Line Bloods right. Then you
Speaker 1: have Hawkins and Cross Street from the Nicks and Gardens,
Speaker 1: the Bonnie and Louise, the best chili cheese frozen Compton
Speaker 1: is right in the mob hoood. You just kind of
Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get to all of
Speaker 1: these places and get away with it.
Speaker 2: And when you go, you gotta like really just not
Speaker 2: have on your your stuff right like you.
Speaker 1: I'm past that people knew who who you are, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's been a long time. They could smell
Speaker 1: a crypt like people could smell gang bang and other
Speaker 1: gang bankers can smell other gang bangers. That's why if
Speaker 1: they like hit you up where you're from, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: where who's your mama? Where you live, where you grew up,
Speaker 1: and you know they'll smell out they could tell yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I've always had always tells me and I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is good advice for bad advice,
Speaker 2: but he said, if I ever end up somewhere, and
Speaker 2: I have a couple of times where I was getting
Speaker 2: gas somewhere and I called a head. This happened, like
Speaker 2: he posted it on Instagram because I hit him and
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I'm right here, am I good
Speaker 2: to get something to eat? I'm getting gas And he's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing there? Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: had always say He's like, yo, if you end up
Speaker 2: somewhere and you get banged on, just start acting like
Speaker 2: real frantic, like you're in the middle of a crazy
Speaker 2: fight with your girl and you got lost. Like man,
Speaker 2: my bad, bro, Sorry, man, fucking fight with my bitch. Bro.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Because that's a universal masking things, right, we all be like.
Speaker 1: Man, I just got caught cheating.
Speaker 2: She fucking had me get out the card. You know,
Speaker 2: That's what Head says. It's true. It works. It just
Speaker 2: act like you're in the middle of a crazy fight
Speaker 2: with your girl, you don't know where you're at, and
Speaker 2: you know, get on your phone and like it should
Speaker 2: be all right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, for the most part, it's okay. I mean, gag
Speaker 1: banging is the most underrated part about game and they're
Speaker 1: pretty understanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they sober. If they're sober like most humans,
Speaker 2: that's like, hey, I've been say it's a pretty general
Speaker 2: statement for the world.
Speaker 1: But game banging it get worse when you know you're drunk,
Speaker 1: because you get superpowered and people be charged.
Speaker 2: Up, like my wife when she gets mad if she's drunk,
Speaker 2: it's over latina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Spanish cuss words, Spotish cuss words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of Spanish cust words. I've been called. Okay,
Speaker 2: So if someone gets your CD physically and they look
Speaker 2: at the back, you have obviously you got West Coast.
Speaker 2: Can you got sugar Free? Shout out the sugar free legend.
Speaker 2: I need you to help me get connected with him. Sure,
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you. But then you also
Speaker 2: have Samuel Jackson and the Notorious Big listed his features. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: explain both.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's always weird when you're looking
Speaker 1: at a track list and then somebody's voice pop up,
Speaker 1: like who the fuck is that? And I just put
Speaker 1: that there, like obviously on Spotify and try to infringe
Speaker 1: on their audiences. But I wanted people to know that
Speaker 1: that voice you hear is gonna be biggies and his
Speaker 1: voice is gonna Beael Jackson, Martin Luther King or Samuel Jackson. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair Cedric Entertainment.
Speaker 2: You also have the guy who plays Jesus in the
Speaker 2: music video for Johns Shout to Slink Johnson. He did
Speaker 2: a really good job on Freddie Gibbs album too. He
Speaker 2: kind of was like a he did one of the
Speaker 2: skits on his album. Uh, and he did great on
Speaker 2: your music video. Yeah. Uh, what's to say something shamful business,
Speaker 2: something for the business, which is an ode to Uh.
Speaker 1: It's weird because right there's.
Speaker 2: A man with the dazzled anklets.
Speaker 1: That and just just straight men impeding on women's beauty
Speaker 1: standards in the first place, completely topped about.
Speaker 2: I tell him all the time, straight man, IRUs my
Speaker 2: shooter over there got two earrings in that.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny that thirty forty years ago that
Speaker 1: would have been looked round at twenty years ago. That's normal.
Speaker 2: When I was doing my dad used to always tell
Speaker 2: me if you have an hearing on a certain it meant.
Speaker 1: That you were gay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and if you have both, it's like what
Speaker 2: girls do. Yeah, that's true. And then that used to
Speaker 2: be that way. That used to be that way. Then
Speaker 2: r Kelly kicked that down because he had them things
Speaker 2: him and AI. You know what I'm saying. But now
Speaker 2: this album in general, because you're listen man, if y'all
Speaker 2: don't follow Glasses on Twitter, he's one of the most frustrating,
Speaker 2: entertaining follows ever. There are very few things that I
Speaker 2: so me and you. It's funny because I'm getting ready
Speaker 2: to read you the whole set, and a lot of
Speaker 2: my set is going to be dedicated. I bought a
Speaker 2: Doggie Style on vinyl, the OG vinyl, and I bought
Speaker 2: the OG cassette. I have had three copies of this
Speaker 2: sear But you and I are very aligned with some
Speaker 2: hip hop opinions, some very very some and most of
Speaker 2: most of the ones that we're very passionately dug in
Speaker 2: on have to do with Snoop and have to do
Speaker 2: with Doggy Style. Because Doggie Sell is the most important hip.
Speaker 1: Hop album in my entire life, sure, and it's the
Speaker 1: most it's the greatest one of all and.
Speaker 2: I I kind of have like a three album where
Speaker 2: I could be like, there's this my goat album. Right,
Speaker 2: it's nomadic as doggie styles probably get Richard I trying
Speaker 2: it in any order that those could be one, two,
Speaker 2: or three on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or whatever. But
Speaker 2: Doggies out is the most important in my life. That's fair.
Speaker 2: And in my opinion, Snoop Dogg somehow, while being the
Speaker 2: most famous rapper in.
Speaker 1: The world by far, still underrated.
Speaker 2: He's underrated, Yes, agreed, How is this a possibility? By
Speaker 2: the way, my bucket list interview I hit his guy
Speaker 2: keV once a month and I'm like, dude, I can
Speaker 2: it's my bucket list all time interview. If I can
Speaker 2: interview Snoop, I might cry because I want to explain
Speaker 2: to him me getting Doggy style on accident change the
Speaker 2: path of my life. But how is Snoop still underrated?
Speaker 2: How does that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, he's the greatest hip hop artist of all time, right,
Speaker 1: but if you favor certain styles, maybe Snoop won't fit
Speaker 1: that style. So immediately, he's from the West, so that's
Speaker 1: going to immediately take credit from the cornerstone of hip
Speaker 1: hop in New York or the East Coast. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be a cornerstone issue that he's not from the rights.
Speaker 2: He from the West.
Speaker 1: His style is like a one off, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. To me, is like a descendant of like
Speaker 1: Shorten LLL cooj super smooth, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But you can see he's such a hip hop kid.
Speaker 1: Like first videos, you can see the special ed in
Speaker 1: his movements, how he moved and how smooth he was.
Speaker 1: I think the majority of it is one, he's from
Speaker 1: the West Coast and not from the East. Two would
Speaker 1: probably be he's alive. He's alive. That's real, real shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's alive and that's really important,
Speaker 1: which is even greater because you look at him now
Speaker 1: and he's probably like still the most recognizable, you know,
Speaker 1: rapper on the planet.
Speaker 2: But I do say that, I say there's certain artists that,
Speaker 2: if God forbid they passed away, would shoot to the
Speaker 2: greatest of all. And I really think think that about Kendrick.
Speaker 2: Like I tell people, like, yeah, we really kind of
Speaker 2: don't appreciate Kendrick like we should, because if he passed
Speaker 2: away tomorrow for whatever reason, he's the goat. He's at
Speaker 2: least he's at least like solidified in that conversation and
Speaker 2: the same way we talk about Pocket.
Speaker 1: It's really dope. And I try not to comment on
Speaker 1: dot because you know, DoD is my friend and somebody
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: You guys have done records together, way way deeper.
Speaker 1: You know, Nigga really my partner. But it's like he's
Speaker 1: also a generation underminds. So I have to listen to
Speaker 1: a lot of younger people tell me versus me giving
Speaker 1: because I have niggas that I'm looking like, you know,
Speaker 1: Scarface Star. It's like, as much as I love Dodd
Speaker 1: is like Scarface, you know he raised me, DoD is like.
Speaker 2: Well, I would just say, because like we put Biggie
Speaker 2: in certain conversations based on two albums when he was alive.
Speaker 2: We got two albums. That's them. Them albums ship that well,
Speaker 2: you know those are incredible. But what I'm saying as
Speaker 2: if you if you look at just like.
Speaker 1: If something happen to die, it'd be frantic. It'd be frantic.
Speaker 1: It would probably it would probably reshape hip hop at
Speaker 1: that point.
Speaker 2: Personally, I think unfortunately people sometimes when they leave prematurely,
Speaker 2: they get appreciated more. And I think we've seen that
Speaker 2: happen a lot of time and time again over the
Speaker 2: last decade, or.
Speaker 1: Their spirit can be free to roam about the cabin
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of times we don't get
Speaker 1: into like even with nip Right, I always felt like
Speaker 1: people look at gang bangers and feel like I can't relate,
Speaker 1: even though, like you know, Niggas is regular human beings,
Speaker 1: but they can't relate. And I think it became so
Speaker 1: important for people to get what he was on when
Speaker 1: he passed away because it made him mortal. People really
Speaker 1: look at game banging like like a he man sport, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, if they die, I don't care, or you know,
Speaker 1: or they can't die, or they did something to die,
Speaker 1: or they imprison you know, versus some dude just really
Speaker 1: running a business and having a problem with somebody taking
Speaker 1: his life. And I think there's nothing more human than that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what happened with him.
Speaker 2: Well back to the Snoop thing. I think what happened
Speaker 2: with Snoop was when we look at things to like
Speaker 2: a biased hip hop you know, I guess goggle because
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, a lot of the taste makers and
Speaker 2: hip hop over the years have been very East Coast biased.
Speaker 1: I mean for New York.
Speaker 2: I think if you think of like Doggy Style, I
Speaker 2: think Snoop's early on contractual shit got in the way
Speaker 2: of him probably being looked at in the same way
Speaker 2: we look at Nas. Or I won't even say Nas
Speaker 2: because Nas had some issues with his discography. But let's
Speaker 2: say jay Z right because Dog. I think dog Father
Speaker 2: was an album I enjoyed, but it wasn't Doggy Style.
Speaker 2: And then there was the kind of the disconnection with
Speaker 2: death Row, and then he went to No Limit, and
Speaker 2: then then that first No Limit album was Forgettable. No
Speaker 2: Limit Top Dog was my Ship. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love the Last Last Meal.
Speaker 2: The Last Meal was my ship. But I think like
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like we kind of lost some years
Speaker 2: of peak Snoop in the way that we prop back
Speaker 2: because obviously the Doctor Dre relationship dissolves, so that that
Speaker 2: mattered a lot, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 2: he has this other run in the middle of his
Speaker 2: career with Forrell and the Blue Carpet Treatment, Rhythm and Gangster.
Speaker 1: Records, Oh my God, that we just like forget about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even that whole album he did with Pharrell was it
Speaker 1: called Bush. Yeah, it was dope as fuck.
Speaker 2: So I just think that like man, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: like we really didn't get to really enjoy like peak
Speaker 2: Snoop dog in the way that we should have because
Speaker 2: of things that were probably outside of his control, because
Speaker 2: there was the murder, the murder trial.
Speaker 1: So let's so let's actually, let's actually clear frame. Let's
Speaker 1: not talk about what we're reading on Wikipedia. Let's go
Speaker 1: by what really happened. Right in nineteen ninety two, we
Speaker 1: got the first Snoop Dogg album, No disrespect to Doctor
Speaker 1: Dre the Chronic.
Speaker 2: That's the first Snoop Dogg album. Fair enough, shout out
Speaker 2: to Dre Big Bruh coming out party. He's on fourteen
Speaker 2: to the fifteen Records who wrote pretty much the record. Right,
Speaker 2: that's the first Snoop album to crime. Then Doggy Style drops.
Speaker 2: That's ninety four, right, it's ninety three, ninety three, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then Doggie Style is such a big deal with sales
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy thousand albums in the first week,
Speaker 1: eight hundred ninety thousand in the second week. Right when
Speaker 1: fifty came it did again, Right, that happens. It's so impactful.
Speaker 1: It forces a change on the whole game. It turned
Speaker 1: like people get mad when I say this, but Tupac
Speaker 1: had to become more of a gangster rapper because of
Speaker 1: this album. Yep, that's why you gonna get the thug
Speaker 1: life because of dog Paan you go get some forty crips,
Speaker 1: right you. Ice Cube has to become more of a songwriter.
Speaker 1: He was already a g a decent songwriter, but he
Speaker 1: was a fucking masterful P and MC. But then he
Speaker 1: has to kind of structure style to make more records.
Speaker 1: His dog is destroying, destroying everybody everything on the radio,
Speaker 1: right boom, so like he shifts the game like he totally,
Speaker 1: which is what the classic is. It shifts the game
Speaker 1: right and you just boom. Then it's such an impactful album.
Speaker 1: One song spawns a whole nother album. In ninety four,
Speaker 1: Murder was the case. Yeah, that's so much the shit.
Speaker 1: It selles triple platinum, right, So that's ninety two, the
Speaker 1: chronic right, which is a Snoop album. Ninety three, which
Speaker 1: is Doggystown, which is obviously Snoop's debut. Ninety four, which
Speaker 1: is Murder was a case that's off a Snoop album
Speaker 1: ninety five, his group comes out. Yeah, he's on seven
Speaker 1: to eight of those records. Right, dog Food Dogs.
Speaker 2: Album, Right, I think I think it's a classic album.
Speaker 2: It's for sure a West Coast classic. I think it's
Speaker 2: a classic album.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even I'm not gonna debate that, but we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna get to some debates about that. We are, guess
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 1: But so we got shipped ninety two, ninety three, ninety four,
Speaker 1: ninety five, Dre's leaving, So Dre leaves, So DJ Pooh
Speaker 1: steps in and finishes attempts to finish dog Father in
Speaker 1: ninety six. So what happened is we actually did get
Speaker 1: to enjoy Snoop. We got Snoop carried death ro for sure,
Speaker 1: but on his back, Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then POC came And that's why I always get
Speaker 1: upset at that argument. Pop was jealous. Snoop was jealous
Speaker 1: of Pop. Man, this nigga been carrying the world's greatest,
Speaker 1: most impactful record label. Cash Money is probably hip hop's
Speaker 1: greatest label. But yeah, he was carrying the most impactful
Speaker 1: label at that time. You know what I mean of
Speaker 1: all time as far as im impact. Yeah, right, because
Speaker 1: this is the birth of gangster rap at the High Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the tree. I always say, pep back. If
Speaker 2: you look at the Doctor Dre Tree, look at the
Speaker 2: Snoop Tree, look at the Sugar Night Tree.
Speaker 1: Everything that right, so right, So he carries him on
Speaker 1: his back and then finally Snoop right, so Pop comes
Speaker 1: home and then boom, Now you got another star. It's
Speaker 1: like the Warriors and Kevin Durant. You get a another star.
Speaker 1: You get this guy from the Thunder n you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like not like that, but it's like
Speaker 1: Katie from the Thunder coming to the Warriors, right right, right,
Speaker 1: Snoop Steph Curry had just read every day right, so
Speaker 1: boom and then right, So then he comes over and
Speaker 1: now you're like, oh, I ain't got to do all
Speaker 1: the work. And then Pot comes and y'all give him
Speaker 1: all the records, y'all help, y'all give him the best beat, y'all,
Speaker 1: and he puts up he puts up them nigga out
Speaker 1: there and finals MVP.
Speaker 2: Easy works.
Speaker 1: But Snoop Steph Curry, but yeah, right, and he's just
Speaker 1: like do your thing, yeah, and then he still has
Speaker 1: to put out another album in ninety six, So we
Speaker 1: get albums from Snoop in ninety two, ninety three, ninety four,
Speaker 1: ninety five, and Dogfather in ninety six. So when dre
Speaker 1: is leaving Pock Dies Sins Francis Madness, still a Snoop
Speaker 1: album is needed to you know, carry the manner because
Speaker 1: you got mcavelly at this point. So those three records
Speaker 1: all lies on me mcavelly and Dogfather. Doll Father produced
Speaker 1: by DJ Pool does most of the heavy. They don't
Speaker 1: really get a chance to finish it because we gotta
Speaker 1: get this album out, pop past, gotta get zual. We
Speaker 1: always got.
Speaker 2: Enough of Snoop.
Speaker 1: It's literally just it's like survivors, Like it's survivor's guilt,
Speaker 1: Like he lives a survivor's lifestyle where he survived the
Speaker 1: craziest ship and he's right here. So we don't really
Speaker 1: appreciate him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we just I think when we think
Speaker 2: of like Snoop albums, we think of he doesn't get
Speaker 2: credit for the Chronic.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, the song, the main
Speaker 1: song from the Chronic that we celebrate who's on the
Speaker 1: song Snoop. And that's how it's been the whole time.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: Even a dog food what's the main song.
Speaker 2: Snoops on it? Yeah, great, great video, cost a lot
Speaker 2: of man just carrying all the weight. Man, So I
Speaker 2: would say I would just say, like I just think
Speaker 2: that like unfortunately, and and and this is kind of
Speaker 2: like a very convenient to look at things. It's like, damn,
Speaker 2: the what if of like if they would have kept
Speaker 2: somehow kept that nucleus together for like another two or
Speaker 2: three years, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1: Something I'm gonna say, Man, it was born out of trauma,
Speaker 1: Like death Row was born out of trauma. It was
Speaker 1: born out of a situation with Eazy E, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That probably wasn't a real enough situation
Speaker 1: for it to for them to break up, but it
Speaker 1: was born out of like like all street urban culture,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we got what we got.
Speaker 1: We just got to be grateful we got that four
Speaker 1: years of incredibleness and a lot more after that, because
Speaker 1: we did get the Dazz album. That was pretty cool,
Speaker 1: great album to da Man, also one of the greatest
Speaker 1: paper I'm mad we never got the corrupt produced Doctor
Speaker 1: dre album. True should mean the Doctor Dre produced corrupt.
Speaker 2: Then what's crazy about corrupt is like somehow like I
Speaker 2: think streets is the mothers. Like, I mean one of
Speaker 2: the most underrated.
Speaker 1: Fred, fucking Fred, fucking Fred.
Speaker 2: Oh that fucking album is so hard upsince that like
Speaker 2: the ship Fred does Crazy Fred is just nasty and
Speaker 2: he really don't get enough credit.
Speaker 1: Butsonically I had to call him probably about five months.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh you, like really, I don't know
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? But even his sonics separate
Speaker 1: completely different. So I think Snoop is just disrespected because
Speaker 1: he's from the West. And two he survived, and I
Speaker 1: think his level of celebrity got to a place where
Speaker 1: most people stopped looking at him as a rapper and
Speaker 1: almost started looking at him more as like a cultural
Speaker 1: figure in it and like just the entertainer, Which is
Speaker 1: why I say he's the greatest hip hop artist because
Speaker 1: when you understand hip hop and street urban culture, there's
Speaker 1: no greater representation of culture than Snoop Dogg. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Snoop is like this nigga's a crip that was crip
Speaker 1: walking on.
Speaker 2: He's that well. I mean he's done things that no
Speaker 2: artists like no rapper.
Speaker 1: Thirty not a hip hop artist, maybe like a Drake,
Speaker 1: somebody who's not of the coaches.
Speaker 2: No, no, he's not.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. He's not of the street
Speaker 1: urban culture. You can't listen to music.
Speaker 2: So is Eminem not a hip hop artist?
Speaker 1: He's from Detroit, He's from the ghetto. Drake is a
Speaker 1: from a middle class Canadian neighbors.
Speaker 2: So if someone comes from a middle class family, no,
Speaker 2: so you have so you're telling me, in your eyes,
Speaker 2: you have to be.
Speaker 1: From a street, urban community.
Speaker 2: Yes, in order to be considered hip hop.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is the first genre of music. Forget me,
Speaker 1: because I know everybody's listened to pop that God, you
Speaker 1: can't kick me. It's not the point. I'm saying. Hip
Speaker 1: hop is street, urban artistic expression.
Speaker 2: So didn't well, I mean, we could probably really nitpick
Speaker 2: this this discussion, and then.
Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, I'm going Drake's saying Drake.
Speaker 2: Is kind of pop. That's a different statement. But somebody
Speaker 2: in my high five okay, top five, I've had that,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad you said. Kanye West did not grow
Speaker 2: up in the hood.
Speaker 1: And I've been thinking this whole time. His mother was
Speaker 1: a teacher, and I've been thinking this whole time. I
Speaker 1: was like, is he really because I think as much
Speaker 1: as he's in my top five and I appreciate him.
Speaker 2: I think he is the problem. Do you think Diddy
Speaker 2: is hip hop puff Daddy? No, Puff is an executive,
Speaker 2: So you don't think Puff Daddy is hip hop? No.
Speaker 1: I think Puff put out hip hop X.
Speaker 2: But he's hip hop. I don't know if he's responsible
Speaker 2: for so much history in Jimmy Ivien. Yeah, but Diddy's
Speaker 2: didd He's produce records really, yeah, in the same way
Speaker 2: Quincy Jones has produced records. Yes, really, he puts the
Speaker 2: right people together.
Speaker 1: Forgive me forgiving me Diddy Cuff Puff my bad. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Kanye has been my greatest dilemma.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it right, this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy. So Kanye is in my top five because
Speaker 1: I love you know, I think the world of Kanye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were times I've expressed it. Charlotte Mane. I think
Speaker 1: Kanye is a prophet for living, So I think this
Speaker 1: much of him. But if you think about it, his
Speaker 1: first single, he got into a car crash, great record,
Speaker 1: like all American car crash with insurance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: That's nothing. It's like Madonna could have made that song.
Speaker 2: It's not true.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a middle class song about a man getting
Speaker 1: to a crash and then when it's surance.
Speaker 2: So you're saying they can't be middle class raps.
Speaker 1: Yes, Drake is a fantastic rapper. Fantastic NonStop is my shit,
Speaker 1: but that don't mean they are hip hop, street urban culture. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of people disagree with me. Some people are like, A, well,
Speaker 1: long as you practice what them niggas do, then you're
Speaker 1: one of those niggas. But you know I feel about that.
Speaker 1: But my point is what Kanye right.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't kick out like half a hip hop fast that
Speaker 2: you'd say you aren't hip hop fast?
Speaker 1: Because I tell you why, because look what happened to
Speaker 1: rock and roll. It ain't a nigga insight. Look what
Speaker 1: happened to jazz Because soon as you start letting everybody
Speaker 1: in the door, guess who getting kicked out first.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Guaranteed they've tried that, it's happened. It's it's only been
Speaker 1: fifty years. They've been putting out records for forty it's
Speaker 1: guaranteed to happen.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's Uh. You know what's funny is
Speaker 2: I've always thought to myself like, who's the white, you know,
Speaker 2: like who's the white that's like the white of whites
Speaker 2: and hip hop that like can actually make this thing
Speaker 2: work like and like sustainable. Long time, let's get rid
Speaker 2: of Eminem because Eminem is an alien. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 2: an anomaly.
Speaker 1: In thirty forty years ago, Emine would have been a
Speaker 1: punk rock.
Speaker 2: It's Eminem by the way, right, if you were to
Speaker 2: say it's eminent.
Speaker 1: But we had this conversation hip hop and punk rock
Speaker 1: are brothers, step brother, right right, same father, oppression and poverty,
Speaker 1: different mothers, the area, the earth.
Speaker 2: So you so because because this is there's a lot
Speaker 2: of artists who have families that went to college, that
Speaker 2: had middle class jobs, lob people from together and that
Speaker 2: went to college. No had middle class, middle class areas
Speaker 2: Little YACHTI yeah, but would you really you look at
Speaker 2: Little Yady and be like, oh, that's a hip hop guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, you just only feel like that because he raps.
Speaker 2: I think I think he's hip hop for sure.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying because he raps, and I also.
Speaker 2: Think he's also contributed a lot to culture. He's he
Speaker 2: wrote City Girls Act Up. He kind of kicked off
Speaker 2: low Key this.
Speaker 1: Whole, so did Jimmy Iving. So it's a lot of
Speaker 1: other people, but not in.
Speaker 2: The same way Jimmy What song did Jimmy Ivan write?
Speaker 1: But don't that's not again, you're you're there's people outside
Speaker 1: of the culture who have wrote cultured song.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you a question. You're so because
Speaker 2: because I feel that there has been.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I know of Lil Yachtie's hipp
Speaker 1: I don't know little there has been an uptick in
Speaker 1: completely and what it's a complete takeover of middle class
Speaker 1: people ever since the blog ever happened. Yess soon as
Speaker 1: college kids started dictating what was cool within street urban culture,
Speaker 1: you've seen the change because it became the guys that
Speaker 1: they could deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to me, that's still hip hop. That's not
Speaker 2: that's his music.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop is the culture. Like if you don't talk
Speaker 1: to the culture, if you don't talk like us.
Speaker 2: And there's the five elements of hip hop.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, those are expressions how you express the culture.
Speaker 2: So I just think that like if you look at
Speaker 2: a guy, I'm trying to think of a guy, you
Speaker 2: said the bloggers. I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 1: Kanye is the greatest conversation and as one of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys and as one of your favorite guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kanye is probably the most influential artists of
Speaker 2: the last I don't.
Speaker 1: Know thirty years, who did the influence people. Travis Scott
Speaker 1: is hip hop middle class people. I don't even think
Speaker 1: Travis Scott considers himself hip hop. That's not true, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think. Did you listen to the drums on
Speaker 2: the new album again?
Speaker 1: Drums are not exclusive to hip hop. I just you know,
Speaker 1: they've been having hard drums and house and a lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff that hip hop birth. Okay, so outside
Speaker 1: of But I'm not saying again, I haven't studied all
Speaker 1: of those guys to say their shit specifically. I've been
Speaker 1: saying this about Kanye, and I think that's why.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kanye did influence a sound that kind of
Speaker 2: I mean him and just blaze his fingerprints all over
Speaker 2: the blueprint.
Speaker 1: It's really Blink though. It's who bink Well Bank started it.
Speaker 1: Everybody start following Bank.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you listen to the Blueprint, right, and
Speaker 2: then after the Blueprint everyone started sampling. But it's all
Speaker 2: based off Bink.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is it's important to notice truth, and they'll
Speaker 1: all I think that's.
Speaker 2: An opinion, though, No, this is a fact. I don't
Speaker 2: think you can say that, Like just Blaze and Kanye
Speaker 2: weren't chopping up samples before Bank.
Speaker 1: They wasn't doing it the way they were doing it
Speaker 1: on a Blueprint before Bank. That style, that's that sound
Speaker 1: that was birthed out of that is Bink.
Speaker 2: Well, the credit goes to Bank. I'm saying the general
Speaker 2: public would credit the Blueprint as the album that kicked
Speaker 2: off a sonic wave of like people sampling. Sure, like
Speaker 2: I pitch samples again again.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm all in. I'm just saying there's
Speaker 1: a fact and then there's an ignorance.
Speaker 2: Okay, So are you telling me Kanye is not hip hop?
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's that's been my dilemma, right because
Speaker 1: because he is hip hop. Well, this is the problem, right,
Speaker 1: Kanye West, But that doesn't mean anything. That don't mean
Speaker 1: First off, nobody in fucking hip hop put Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 1: up on a fucking wall as a kid.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the correlations Monroe.
Speaker 1: Because he talked about putting up a poster because of
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe on his wall.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: Why the fuck would a nigga from where we're from
Speaker 1: put up Marilyn Moroe on they walk because they think
Speaker 1: she's hot. No, none of us think she's hot. That
Speaker 1: you're speaking for a lot of people from the ghetto.
Speaker 2: I speak for all of us. I'm sure a lot
Speaker 2: of people in the ghetto would clap her name.
Speaker 1: None of us. Yes, we would anybody's, but we wouldn't
Speaker 1: think she's hot. It's too many hot fucking sisters from
Speaker 1: that time, he compares Kim Kardashian to her, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kim kay is is littly. You don't You
Speaker 2: don't know she's not. You think Kim Ky's level?
Speaker 1: No, she was okay, she was a regular.
Speaker 2: You think she was okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a regular. They used to have them
Speaker 1: at Glendale by the Barrel.
Speaker 2: There was Kim by the barrel.
Speaker 1: That's that's the normal fine girl in Glendale. That's the
Speaker 1: normal fine girl in Glendale.
Speaker 2: When you go to the scenes, I mean Glendale a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I live in they just don't have a plastic Well,
Speaker 2: I just don't see I've seen. I don't see by
Speaker 2: the barrel.
Speaker 1: I seen him by the.
Speaker 2: Shouts of the beautiful Armenian women.
Speaker 1: Who are They're great, They're fun, and yes they are
Speaker 1: they Kim Kardashian, Fine, all original Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2: I'm not this verse. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there aren't some Kim Kardashian, find
Speaker 2: a lot of them. I'm just saying that I think
Speaker 2: that you're you're overstating your part.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm telling you the true. Listen, if you
Speaker 1: think about it right, listen to every other thing you
Speaker 1: loved about hip hop growing up right, the struggle, the ideas,
Speaker 1: even how they party.
Speaker 2: And I liked, Hey, you know what I liked? First
Speaker 2: of all, I loved all your Style, sure, and the
Speaker 2: other album that really I like the kind of like
Speaker 2: the horror, demonic mystique of bone Thugs and harmony. Theluigi
Speaker 2: was the melody. And you know what else?
Speaker 1: I like what they had the best harmony since Beast Boys,
Speaker 1: probably fantastic harmony.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can tell you like from Creeping on
Speaker 2: a Come Up to East nineteen ninety nine art of
Speaker 2: war Man God Bone again somehow criminally underrated super Uh.
Speaker 2: I also really enjoyed Brother Lynch Hung and It's just Dope.
Speaker 2: I got that nigga for about fo ESEs. I had
Speaker 2: to get dirty on Brother Lynch. I always give props
Speaker 2: to his album Season of the Sickness. It was a
Speaker 2: very dark album where he talked about eating.
Speaker 1: I like Lynch, Yeah, Lynce is and that. But the
Speaker 1: point I'm saying back to Yate his Brother Lynch hip hop,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, so he's from like a really fucked
Speaker 1: up get on sack.
Speaker 2: But him talking about eating children. But I think he
Speaker 2: also could not be the something that a normal dude
Speaker 2: from the hood would talk about.
Speaker 1: It's not coo. I mean, he's like, he's like nigir
Speaker 1: Alan poet.
Speaker 2: Also also Bone Thugs in Harmony talking about playing around
Speaker 2: with a Wuiji board and talking to That's not that
Speaker 2: far fetched. But that's not you. You used the Maryland
Speaker 2: min Roe post on Wall.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's start with Kanye growing up in middle
Speaker 1: class area and he did Chicago, Okay, so that's different
Speaker 1: than Bone.
Speaker 2: And boning Cleveland, brother Lynch and sat them.
Speaker 1: People are from places with houses with thirteen dollars for sure, right,
Speaker 1: So that's different.
Speaker 2: Houses might have been thirteen dollars in Chicago, the houses is.
Speaker 1: Thirteen dollars in Cleveland, right, And you can get hours
Speaker 1: in Cleveland right now for about seven thousand. Let me
Speaker 1: know what flex I got you? Your bone grew up
Speaker 1: at Yeah, shout out to the cavaliers. So so what
Speaker 1: my point I'm saying to you is, I'm not I
Speaker 1: haven't came to a great conclusion. It's Kanye West, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to challenge that type of legacy. But if
Speaker 1: you think about it, But if you think about it, right,
Speaker 1: his first song is about a car crash where he
Speaker 1: had insurance. But what got everybody is the fucking black
Speaker 1: music he sampled in Sha Ka Khan that carries the story.
Speaker 1: Kanye is the best at using black mut and finding
Speaker 1: a place where he meets black people at Remember, hip
Speaker 1: hop is almost like Kanye makes He's a black artist, yes,
Speaker 1: but but when you say black, right, it's as simple
Speaker 1: as he's a black man making music.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But he's not the first artist to sample black artists, no, no,
Speaker 1: But he's he's fantastic at it. Yeah, when I tell
Speaker 1: you what he does with that sha Ka Khan. And
Speaker 1: but if you listen to a lot of his songs,
Speaker 1: even the depth of his struggle is very Eddie Winslow.
Speaker 2: But you know what it was. What was dope about
Speaker 2: Kanye is that his struggle was relatable to.
Speaker 1: White people, to a lot of people, to mainstream America.
Speaker 2: Because if you could talk about how you hated working
Speaker 2: at the mall, at the Gap.
Speaker 1: That's like main No okay, but but but imagine if
Speaker 1: Snoop's first album is about him talking about having a
Speaker 1: problem working.
Speaker 2: But that's what made Kanye different was he was a
Speaker 2: fucking pop artist.
Speaker 1: You could relate to him, oh versus you couldn't relate
Speaker 1: to none of these.
Speaker 2: Not a pop artist. He was making some backpack dope ship,
Speaker 2: but he was talking about backpack to work at them.
Speaker 2: Because this is the minority of the of everybody aren't
Speaker 2: in gangs and aren't involved in street life and not.
Speaker 2: But whether or not they grew up around it, would
Speaker 2: you would you at least say that most people, period,
Speaker 2: no matter what the race of them or the or
Speaker 2: where they're from, are not tied up in street life
Speaker 2: are civilians? Is that fair?
Speaker 1: Most they're not from the ghetto.
Speaker 2: Okay, people from the ghetto have normal jobs at the mall.
Speaker 1: No, they don't have them at the mall, but they
Speaker 1: do have normal jobs.
Speaker 2: Are you trying to tell me people from the ghetto
Speaker 2: don't work at the mall?
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's not that's a wild thing to say that.
Speaker 2: It's a very wild blanket state. You're pushing it further, right,
Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying is of us? Were Kanye made
Speaker 2: and made music for the normal person? That's what pop music?
Speaker 2: No is no pop music. Listen, this is what you
Speaker 2: gotta understand. Is that not what pop music is?
Speaker 1: Because for their every day they first know.
Speaker 2: But you're trying to You're you're essentially trying to say, well,
Speaker 2: Kanye was making music for uh, privileged people who had
Speaker 2: normal jobs. I did not.
Speaker 1: First off, yes, it's not you're not privileged. You have
Speaker 1: a normal job that makes you mainstream American.
Speaker 2: But even people let's say, from where you're from, right,
Speaker 2: but even now you're talking about I'm asking you that.
Speaker 2: So people from where you're from, right, You're let's say
Speaker 2: your a neighborhood, what percentage of them are actively throughout
Speaker 2: their life practicing involvement in let's say, street culture, illegal activity, gangs.
Speaker 2: We all talk the same way, so that I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about talk I'm talking about I'm talking about how
Speaker 2: you get your money, the lifestyle you live. You can't
Speaker 2: pick the part of a culture you enjoy, right because
Speaker 2: day I saw this culture.
Speaker 1: Right, But it don't mean that. It don't mean somebody.
Speaker 1: There's probably people from your areas. But we had to
Speaker 1: get up and go to work and do their normal
Speaker 1: job at homies that got jobs that were Kanye's shit,
Speaker 1: and was like, Yo, this dude's talking about working a
Speaker 1: fucking overtime shift at a rech tail store.
Speaker 2: This is fucking pop music. No, it's not. That's normal
Speaker 2: middle class shit. That's what pop America is. So you're
Speaker 2: trying to say Kanye wasn't making hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: I told you, I've been having this dilemma in my
Speaker 1: mind to say so.
Speaker 2: So you make a lot of blanket statements. No, I'm
Speaker 2: giving you really consistent statements. Considering all of your statements.
Speaker 2: According to your logic, Kanye is not hip hop.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I've been.
Speaker 1: I've been on this play because I've been saying for
Speaker 1: years he's hip hop. But then I think about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why Black America's disconnected from him right now.
Speaker 2: I think they also might be disconnected because he said
Speaker 2: some wild shit.
Speaker 1: No he did. He said the same shit first day,
Speaker 1: and he has been wrapped up in a very unrelatable culture,
Speaker 1: whether it's the Kardashians, whether it's you know, why huh,
Speaker 1: because he ain't that type of guy.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't that type of No, he wasn't. He
Speaker 2: was just doing it over Shaka Khan and the other thing. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm starting to believe. It's like he always
Speaker 2: been this crazy nigga. Kanye is like sold you think
Speaker 2: Playboy Cardi's hip hop?
Speaker 1: No, but he got some dope shit the first But
Speaker 1: all that weird devil shit, I just slap a little cuz,
Speaker 1: Like all that whole as ship they doing with the Devil,
Speaker 1: that'll be your cuzby.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that you love little stough No no, no,
Speaker 1: nas is cool because he just fake gay. I told
Speaker 1: you you're gonna see one day it's gonna come out,
Speaker 1: Cuz fake gay, mean he's playing for the money. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't believe cousins gay. I believe they paying Couzin.
Speaker 1: He know his playing, he running his plate. Why would
Speaker 1: you not. It's niggas who do it. A gangster rap
Speaker 1: is niggas who do it like they fake d boys.
Speaker 1: Why would you not be fake gay for money, especially
Speaker 1: if you're young.
Speaker 2: There were people been fake money then it has been
Speaker 2: people fake gay for money, fake gay. Yeah, you act
Speaker 2: gay for people like a fake gangster rapper, like a
Speaker 2: nigga who act like he a gang but he's not.
Speaker 2: I think there's probably more fake straight people than fake
Speaker 2: gay people.
Speaker 1: I would agree, Yeah, I would agree for sure degree,
Speaker 1: But that don't mean Little non X is not straight.
Speaker 2: I think Little is Uh is gay. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's gay facing you think he's gay.
Speaker 2: I know we talked about this last time, but I
Speaker 2: just don't know if that's a that's I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's the that's that's what, that's what my way.
Speaker 2: If he really wanted to like lean into something, he
Speaker 2: would have just been the country artist.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you know that's not gonna work? No, white folks
Speaker 1: ain't fucking with that, and they grow.
Speaker 2: They did win old town roads, they didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, money man, where's he from's money man?
Speaker 2: Money man?
Speaker 1: I don't, I haven't, I haven't so listened. So first off,
Speaker 1: I can't talk about Travis Scott. But I think Travis
Speaker 1: Scott hastied his sound. But I think he defines his
Speaker 1: sound as uh, what is like rave or what's the
Speaker 1: age rage?
Speaker 2: No, he's making hip hoppen, but.
Speaker 1: He's the find his music. Uzzi defines his music as
Speaker 1: rock and roll.
Speaker 2: I think Uzzie defines himself as a rock star that
Speaker 2: makes rock music. No, he doesn't make rock music yet.
Speaker 1: But again this is my point. See see how you
Speaker 1: see how you lay and claim to that. See how
Speaker 1: you won't let niggas beat nothing else but rappers because
Speaker 1: they Dog's.
Speaker 2: A rock star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no he's not.
Speaker 2: What do you mean he's not. He's Snoop Dogg. He's
Speaker 2: in the rock and roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He's in every hall of fame.
Speaker 2: Yes, because he's in a human he's a hip pop star.
Speaker 2: He's a rock star. He's a pop star.
Speaker 1: He is the guy.
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Speaker 1: I haven't studied none of those other guys, so I
Speaker 1: can't comment per se on YACHTI because I don't know
Speaker 1: YACHTI story. I don't know Trash story. I don't know them.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they define themselves, and I think
Speaker 1: they will. Maybe Yadi would be.
Speaker 2: The closest person that could consider himself hip hop or
Speaker 2: would well. His dad was a big photographer. He did
Speaker 2: photos for Dead Press tight, but he didn't grow up
Speaker 2: like like from what I understand, he grew up like
Speaker 2: with you know, like a middle class kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not saying I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I had to really study if I say that Trav,
Speaker 1: I think he defines his music as something else, and
Speaker 1: I think Uzi defines his music and his existence at
Speaker 1: something else. But I think because they use rap, immediately
Speaker 1: everybody classify somebody black and rapping as hip hop, and
Speaker 1: it's fucking fucked up. If Uzi, as black people created
Speaker 1: rock and roll, right, he can go in and define
Speaker 1: it as he wants. That's his claim to write. You
Speaker 1: can't look at Nirvana or No. U two and then
Speaker 1: say he gotta make music like that. We did it
Speaker 1: the first time, so we could redefine it the second time.
Speaker 1: It's fair of him to do that. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is back to the point we're saying in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: being in street urban life is not necessarily, you know,
Speaker 1: being a criminal. Like there's a lot of people like
Speaker 1: LLL wasn't a criminal. There's people who grew up in
Speaker 1: the same culture.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying, though, is that there are people
Speaker 2: who aren't criminals who maybe they're they're gravitating. They gravitated
Speaker 2: towards college dropout because oh this is something different, this
Speaker 2: is this is I liked it.
Speaker 1: As a criminal, But that's not the point. I like
Speaker 1: Michael J. I like, I like a pop artist.
Speaker 2: But I'm still like if I like to me as
Speaker 2: somebody who was worried the best Buy when I was sixteen,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, I get it. This motherfucker's
Speaker 2: rapping about that a shitty retail. Don't you do get it?
Speaker 1: That's my point I'm saying. So what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: but I grew.
Speaker 2: Up, I grew up middle class.
Speaker 1: That's not what I know. You this because Phoenix got
Speaker 1: some fucking crazy sick as poor places.
Speaker 2: Yeah they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sick that nobody talks about. Sick some crazy shit.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Phoenix because they go through some shit.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about it. But the point I'm saying to
Speaker 1: you is, when we're saying this, it's like everybody that
Speaker 1: grew up with us talk the same way. Everybody who
Speaker 1: grows up with us eats the same way. Every everybody
Speaker 1: grows up.
Speaker 2: But that's not universal.
Speaker 1: That's where you're at, right, But that's all street urban culture.
Speaker 2: That's the way that people different people in Gary Indiana
Speaker 2: are different every ghetto. People in Cleveland are different every ghetto.
Speaker 2: There is no middle class culture, that's only tradition. In
Speaker 2: middle class and in wealth, there is no culture. So therefore,
Speaker 2: how could you have hip hop somewhere where there's no culture?
Speaker 2: So if Drake, let's say Drake for example, shout out
Speaker 2: to DRIs. Do you think the Beastie Boys are hip hop? No?
Speaker 1: They punk rock that made a hip hop album.
Speaker 2: Okay? Do you think license to illes hip hop?
Speaker 1: Yes, they made a hip hop album.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's hip hop. I agree, because but they
Speaker 2: actually pump. They started as punk rockers, punk rock and
Speaker 2: hip hop? Right?
Speaker 1: Are step brothers?
Speaker 2: Okay? Run DMC? What their hip hop? Listen? Correct? There?
Speaker 2: Of course? Do you do you do you think that
Speaker 2: Run DMC like obviously Run DMC is kind of looked
Speaker 2: at as like the first like I would would you say,
Speaker 2: like pop hip hop group in terms of like their popularity,
Speaker 2: in terms of popularity we use the work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess to some degree.
Speaker 2: Would you discount them working with Aerosmith?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I think you could work with
Speaker 1: whoever you want to. But I think hip hop is
Speaker 1: more as much as street. Urban culture is defined through
Speaker 1: crime and Disney populated crime or in neighborhoods. It don't
Speaker 1: mean everyone's a criminal.
Speaker 2: I didn't say it. I didn't say not everyone's a criminal. So,
Speaker 2: but I feel like you were pretty much saying, now
Speaker 2: where we're from, this is what we we didn't We
Speaker 2: don't fuck with regular mall jobs.
Speaker 1: No, that we're denied mall jobs.
Speaker 2: That's not true. Yes, yes, I've been in the worst areas. Yes,
Speaker 2: I got some of the more type of friends.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying the poverty and the oppression.
Speaker 1: Here's here's here's a here's a richer conversation. But let
Speaker 1: me get that point of I'm saying where all the
Speaker 1: culture is created through the crime, the crime happening to everybody,
Speaker 1: whether you're involved or not. You know what the crime
Speaker 1: that is to education programs, to where the education programs
Speaker 1: are trash. And you don't speak great English, So y'all
Speaker 1: make up slang, and y'all all talk the same way.
Speaker 1: It don't matter if Cus got a job at the
Speaker 1: mall in the hood or if he's selling dope. We
Speaker 1: all talk the same. We all got the same lingo.
Speaker 1: We all do the same thing. This is the this
Speaker 1: is what I liken it too. And it's gonna be
Speaker 1: crazy because you know, you're a white man in this conversation.
Speaker 2: Is funny. You're a nigga, but you're a white man.
Speaker 1: The point I'm saying to you is, there's always been
Speaker 1: three black coaches in America, right, or three the ideas
Speaker 1: of three identities. There's a slave, you know, American slave culture, right,
Speaker 1: that's where you get sold food, That's where you get
Speaker 1: all that. There's a freedman. Since the first day black
Speaker 1: people have been on this planet, especially in this country,
Speaker 1: there's been free black people, and then there's been slave masters.
Speaker 1: The smaller culture of black people and it's not a culture,
Speaker 1: it's the tradition of life. That's really small minute of
Speaker 1: black slavers, right, that's their small freemen slaves. Kanye is
Speaker 1: a freeman. His whole conversation is freeman. He has no
Speaker 1: idea what niggas from where we from are talking about.
Speaker 1: That's why you'll say something like slavery is a choice.
Speaker 1: Kanye reminds me of a kid that got to visit
Speaker 1: his cousins on the plantation. It was like, we need
Speaker 1: to leave here, once this weekend when I go on
Speaker 1: y'all go with me. That's how he talks because his mind,
Speaker 1: and that's what middle class does to you. It creates
Speaker 1: a place to where the world is limitless.
Speaker 2: The world is not like your world is not real
Speaker 2: to them, it's the upside down, right, Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: That's what hip hop is.
Speaker 1: But again, because people want a piece of it, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's something seems so cool. They want a
Speaker 1: piece of the lingo. They want a piece of to
Speaker 1: get in, but they don't want a piece of the consequence.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm really careful with who I say and
Speaker 1: who I believe represents me as a ghetto person from
Speaker 1: hip hop. Now, if I started allowing somebody like Drake,
Speaker 1: forgive me Drake again, shout out to the homies. It's
Speaker 1: no disrespect. But if you don't speak not one thing
Speaker 1: on what's going on with black people in this country,
Speaker 1: not one stands, not one.
Speaker 2: That's been my biggest critique.
Speaker 1: I don't even care because he's.
Speaker 2: Canadian, right, but I just feel like he doesn't ever
Speaker 2: have an opinion on anything.
Speaker 1: But except now he's wearing rainbow clips, So you're endorsing movements,
Speaker 1: but you're not endorsing the people that put you in
Speaker 1: position to be where you at now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it's like interesting that.
Speaker 1: Like why you don't have Shae for nobody? Why Yo
Speaker 1: Shade is for Joe Budden? He not, first off, a
Speaker 1: rich Jewish man bragging about being rich to some nigga
Speaker 1: that come from the ghetto like Joe Budden's, that shit
Speaker 1: is like cringey, Whereas like.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think I mean, I said this on
Speaker 2: Twitter the other day, I said, I don't think Joe
Speaker 2: Budden said anything that was unfair, disrespectful, And.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad and I'm not mad at Drake being
Speaker 1: offended at his critique of I'm a.
Speaker 2: Little I'm a little mad at that because I feel
Speaker 2: like Drake Bro, you have to understand like people are
Speaker 2: going to have an opinion about your music, and in
Speaker 2: as long as they're not crossing the line or they're
Speaker 2: not saying anything, he should be able to have.
Speaker 1: An opinion about them. But my thing is, why does
Speaker 1: it go right to what you have or money? Like
Speaker 1: you're like Drake is actually a talent, talented, accomplished MC
Speaker 1: record making fucking monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why go to money? I have a private jet
Speaker 2: and you have to take first class flights.
Speaker 1: Because you're a rich Jewish man. It's like being a
Speaker 1: broke black person. Like that's how common to the main
Speaker 1: ears that sounds. It's like you're gonna talk about it,
Speaker 1: nigga being broke.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Yeah, it wasn't necessary for sure.
Speaker 1: So I'm not mad at him. But he could have
Speaker 1: talked about so many things, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And that's what hip hop is. It's bearing the burden
Speaker 1: of street urban culture. You have to represent see when
Speaker 1: you don't have when you don't have to represent nobody.
Speaker 1: Jay could have never went out like that because he
Speaker 1: represented Marris in Brooklyn. He had to. That's the only
Speaker 1: way he could garner support. Snoop could never. You know
Speaker 1: another reason why Snoop is such a fantastic hit boy
Speaker 1: BARTI is he will never break cripping. He defines cripping
Speaker 1: how he wants. That's what cripping is all about. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You don't break them that one
Speaker 1: rule about no snitch. You could do with cripping as
Speaker 1: you please, just don't make nobody look dumb. And Snoop
Speaker 1: has done a great job of not making people look stupid,
Speaker 1: and he never broke away. When you don't have to
Speaker 1: bear the burden of culture, when you don't gotta represent,
Speaker 1: hip hop is all about representing the people we talking
Speaker 1: about due they fucking represent do people from their community?
Speaker 1: Feels like this is our spokesman. Like when I talk
Speaker 1: rest assure any real nigga for watch most niggas watch
Speaker 1: him like that. Nigga is all right. Niggas from La
Speaker 1: gonna be like glasses is all right because I have to.
Speaker 1: I can't do no sucking shit. How a'macha show my
Speaker 1: face in the sixties, how much show my face in
Speaker 1: the trades, how mama show my faces in the great streets?
Speaker 1: How much show my face in these coastes? If I
Speaker 1: go looking dumb, I have the burden of representing ghettos.
Speaker 1: That's what hip hop is. LLLL had the responsibility. LLLL
Speaker 1: and NAS had to represent Queens. Fifty had to represent
Speaker 1: South Side Queens. Jay had to represent Brooklyn. If you
Speaker 1: don't got to represent shit and you can still be successful, nigga,
Speaker 1: you are not one of us. If you can embarrass
Speaker 1: us every week.
Speaker 2: You don't think that Drake represents Toronto no, not the streets.
Speaker 1: I mean he represents Toronto as the Raptors represent Toronto,
Speaker 1: and he's their god.
Speaker 2: I think Drake. My problem is Drake represent black people
Speaker 2: and we be looking like, kus, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You know what? I mean, like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Because why would you do that? But the problem is
Speaker 1: when we try to hold him with our ghetto response.
Speaker 1: He's not a ghetto kid. He don't come from the ghetto.
Speaker 1: He don't. If you gotta think, morale and streetlight create standards,
Speaker 1: create morals. I mean the religion, excuse me, and street
Speaker 1: life create morals. Without it, America is just like a
Speaker 1: dog eat dog plays right, they fucked up?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we can at times be unfair towards
Speaker 2: Drake because he is such a just massive, shining star
Speaker 2: in hip hop. I think that at times Drake does
Speaker 2: things where I'm like, okay, you're like being a little
Speaker 2: too emotional towards Joe Budden, Like to discount him as
Speaker 2: like a failed rapper is unfair.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't really care about that.
Speaker 1: I do think, though, I do not care about some
Speaker 1: fucking hair clips.
Speaker 2: See don't, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go in the door.
Speaker 2: You like the hair clips? Because why you Snoop Dog
Speaker 2: had had had a lot of shit going on with
Speaker 2: his hair and shut the sugar freez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they ain't putting rainbow hair clips. That's a purpose.
Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of things on purpose to do
Speaker 1: certain things. And I'm asking you why you ain't stand
Speaker 1: up for no niggas. If you're gonna stand up for
Speaker 1: somebody who you're gonna represent you.
Speaker 2: Who's he representing? You think he's representing that you know
Speaker 2: you know he is, and that's his thought?
Speaker 1: Then why would you put rainbow hair clips in your head?
Speaker 2: Why does rainbow gotta be exclusive something that?
Speaker 1: It ain't a god?
Speaker 2: It's just what if he bought a pack of hairclips
Speaker 2: and they came in multiple colors? Why does everything have
Speaker 2: to have a specific meaning or agenda attached to it?
Speaker 2: Drake's hair clips don't mean anything except for their hair clips.
Speaker 2: You really believe that? Do you think Drake purposely said, nah,
Speaker 2: give me the rainbow pack? Yes? No, he's that crazy.
Speaker 1: You don't believe Drake is like one of the greatest
Speaker 1: minds like Kanye And let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: Not see the problem is this, let me just say this.
Speaker 2: The problem is certain, like in twenty twenty three, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, we always have to put a meaning or
Speaker 2: stick some sort of agenda to something that it don't
Speaker 2: got nothing to do.
Speaker 1: With because we all know it means something.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It does. It's just hair clips.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, it's not.
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: If I were you, do you think Drake's hair clips
Speaker 1: are him endorsing a certain lifestyle?
Speaker 2: Yes? Really? Yes?
Speaker 1: When it is the mainstream thing to do, what does
Speaker 1: that mean that's the thing to do out of mainstream
Speaker 1: level across the world. That's what every pop artist would
Speaker 1: be doing across the world that people not. This is
Speaker 1: not by accident, you think this shit about this nigga
Speaker 1: is brilliant like Drake is.
Speaker 2: So what is Drake's agenda with his colorful hair?
Speaker 1: Now we're finna go into some details, but obviously what
Speaker 1: is your perceive He's obviously endorsing, right, which I don't
Speaker 1: care about that.
Speaker 2: But my thing is the.
Speaker 1: Niggas who made you famous, these niggas in America, these ghettos,
Speaker 1: because we pushed cuz like he couldn't just be a
Speaker 1: pop star and be that. We pushed cut the ghettos.
Speaker 1: Push Cuse, we said the females, the black women from
Speaker 1: the ghettos, push cus.
Speaker 2: You ain't said nothing about nothing happening to these sisters.
Speaker 2: You ain't posting nothing that's happening to these sisters. You're
Speaker 2: not saying nothing about no nigga. And I gotta let
Speaker 2: that go because you was Canadian. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: he don't have to get a fuck what happened to
Speaker 2: American niggas. I don't disagree with you on that point,
Speaker 2: because I do think at certain points in time, it'd
Speaker 2: be nice if we knew what Drake thought about I
Speaker 2: don't know George Floyd or Breonna Tagos.
Speaker 1: I'm not even asking that because most power wars or
Speaker 1: you know, he.
Speaker 2: Lives here a lot, like there's a lot of turmoil
Speaker 2: going on with our political system.
Speaker 1: Just any sort of opinion, I'm okay with that. But
Speaker 1: like you said, he's Canadian. Yes, what do you think
Speaker 1: about Justin Trudeau?
Speaker 2: Drake? Facts? Facts? What do you think about the Canadian
Speaker 2: truck drivers who I'm not mad because that's a hip
Speaker 2: hop responsibilitykay, okay, And that's what I think. That's separate
Speaker 2: than you think. Gend with his haircliffs.
Speaker 1: You're missing the point of somebody that's so brilliant to
Speaker 1: know not to speak on something. He's so smart, this nigga.
Speaker 1: Him and forty are some of the best scientists I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in the music business, like when it comes
Speaker 1: to creating records, marketing and understand how to markets, like
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Right, Like Michael Jordan purposely has said Republicans and Democrats
Speaker 2: by both my sneakers. Why would I take a stance
Speaker 2: on any of this publicly, because then I kind of
Speaker 2: and Drake's kind of the same kind of guy. But
Speaker 2: but Drake appeals to everybody, and I don't think he
Speaker 2: wants to fuck that up, and I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1: But my thing is right, that's why. You know who
Speaker 1: else does that? Pop stars?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's also artists. There's no hip hop
Speaker 2: artists that do that.
Speaker 1: We won't even let him go. We won't even nick
Speaker 1: if you try that. If you try that and you
Speaker 1: represent us, it's a problem. Wait a minute, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna speak of Thug said something like, oh, we ain't
Speaker 1: talking about that shit. We talking about young niggas.
Speaker 2: They was asking Thug about the boy that got killed
Speaker 2: Mike uh in Ohio.
Speaker 1: What's brother Mike Michael.
Speaker 2: Mike Brown, Michael Mike Brown, Michael Brown. And it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he was on the red carpet. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know how you feel about Mike Brown. He's like,
Speaker 2: oh man, we ain't tripping off that old politics shit.
Speaker 2: We out here getting niggas fell apart. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you motherfucking this niggas is a nigga who do drugs.
Speaker 2: He I don't even think we should even really want
Speaker 2: his opinion because he go through so much mental shit
Speaker 2: and be high. Yeah, you're not gonna look to thug
Speaker 2: for political views, but.
Speaker 1: He still has to because guess why. He is from
Speaker 1: the ghetto in Atlanta. And we like you better talk,
Speaker 1: you better speak for us. And that's the responsibility of
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: If it's tried, daylight or soul, anybody. You are responsible
Speaker 1: for speaking for us in hip hop. Okay, So and
Speaker 1: if you don't, we look at you funny. But the
Speaker 1: only people we don't worry about is people that ain't
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 2: So what's the issue with with the hair clips?
Speaker 1: Not that I have no issues with it, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm asking you, this is the first you aren't going
Speaker 1: to so you are your stand says he's purposely from
Speaker 1: the nails, the hair, He's gonna keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay. So do you think Andre three thousand was doing
Speaker 2: that in ninety six, ninety seven when when when he
Speaker 2: was wearing certain.
Speaker 1: No, I just think he got Erica Badu pussy and
Speaker 1: that pussy is some shit. Okay, Drake ain't gotta no
Speaker 1: Erica Badu.
Speaker 2: What about Thug when Thug warred dress on his album cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Thug is from Atlanta, where the street
Speaker 1: urban culture is tied into homosexuality. For some reason, nobody
Speaker 1: in Atlanta talks about it's like right there, Like I've
Speaker 1: never seen a bigger demographic of gay black folks in
Speaker 1: the ghetto like Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Never seen that. Do you think it's possible Drake just
Speaker 2: got a bag of air clips? No zero chance.
Speaker 1: He's too smart. He's too smart to just do something
Speaker 1: and don't have no impossible, it's impossible zero if.
Speaker 2: We're zero zero percent zero present, not even a half
Speaker 2: a percent chance he just puts some hair clips in
Speaker 2: his hair and they have different colors. No zero chance?
Speaker 2: What zero chance?
Speaker 1: He's Drake. Drake is brilliant dog. There's a confusion. Drake
Speaker 1: is fucking brilliant dog. Him and forty together dog. The
Speaker 1: niggas could put shit together forty to produce, like he
Speaker 1: could come with ship bro. They could push it together
Speaker 1: like some of the ship they be doing. Be like
Speaker 1: fuck like you know what I mean, because you got
Speaker 1: to catch up to this ship and it's like fuck, like,
Speaker 1: this is how smart they are. He's a marketing fucking machine,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He knows well.
Speaker 2: I think that you're real reaching.
Speaker 1: I understand why you feel that way, because would actually
Speaker 1: mean you would have to be accountable for decisions you make. No,
Speaker 1: we love a world where we could just make people
Speaker 1: hip hop. We have to be account I.
Speaker 2: Just think not everything famous people does has an agenda
Speaker 2: attached to it.
Speaker 1: I know, because you which it don't make sense because
Speaker 1: you would think that some of these people are some
Speaker 1: of the greatest marketing minds ever, and you would think
Speaker 1: that they would accidentally do something even though they've been
Speaker 1: controlling the narrative for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Okay, switching subjects, Shout out to Drake. Yeah, you had
Speaker 2: a song that was called Tupac deserved to die, no
Speaker 2: muster or Tupac must die. Sorry music video was dope?
Speaker 2: What was it about?
Speaker 1: Four years old?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Fire years old?
Speaker 1: It was four years now?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Keithy D's arrest. He's obviously
Speaker 2: been doing a bunch of interviews over the last five
Speaker 2: six years, just kind of I mean, holding nothing back
Speaker 2: in these interviews, which is kind of crazy. It ended
Speaker 2: up biting him in the ass in a real way,
Speaker 2: just as a someone who you know made that song,
Speaker 2: someone who is a fan of you know, hip hop
Speaker 2: and what happened, and not a fan of what happened.
Speaker 2: Obviously you didn't have so obviously, but just what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: just kind of what your thoughts on on on the
Speaker 2: Tupac arrest.
Speaker 1: I need to really see the discovery. I need to
Speaker 1: see the evidence. I was crazy because they did.
Speaker 2: They had to have arrested him because they had to
Speaker 2: because they did go and raid the house.
Speaker 1: And I think that's more about what happened after that.
Speaker 1: Like I need to see the discovery. I need to
Speaker 1: see what how it led to this arrest, because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's the interviews. I think the interviews could
Speaker 1: create a situation to get a warrant, right, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it can lead to an arrest.
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that something they had to
Speaker 2: if something happened, something happened where they had.
Speaker 1: To and I need to see that before I really
Speaker 1: because the interview.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, the interview could have resulted
Speaker 2: in the raid, like the warrant to kick the tow down,
Speaker 2: got to get your raid. Yes, Now outside of that,
Speaker 2: you know they had to they had to spend the
Speaker 2: block and then go arrest.
Speaker 1: Something happened. So as far as that, I don't quite know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see nobody in jail, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Not like.
Speaker 2: That's what Knight said. Shug said. I think he said
Speaker 2: he grew up playing Pop Warner with ke d Or. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see nobody in jail because.
Speaker 2: I understand he would not wish jail on anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the consequences if I do something, So again,
Speaker 1: justice looks a lot different for me than it does
Speaker 1: to other people. So whatever gotta happen, got to happen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I would love to
Speaker 1: see the discovery of what what really led to the arrest,
Speaker 1: you know, because I didn't think it was gonna be
Speaker 1: able to happen, but the raid created one moment. And
Speaker 1: then the way they do the grand jury out there
Speaker 1: is like it can be going for a year, like
Speaker 1: you could keep bringing shit back like is this enough?
Speaker 2: Well, right, if it is proven that he was in
Speaker 2: the car, isn't that enough to put him in jail
Speaker 2: for two.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can use the interviews as
Speaker 1: a way that.
Speaker 2: I think. I think they have something else. Whatever, that's
Speaker 2: something else because.
Speaker 1: In that car that night, so California becomes felony murder.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it looks like in Nevada, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure they got something similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean they say he's a mastermind, which again
Speaker 1: I need to see how is he the mastermind?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I think, listen, the reality is Keithy with some
Speaker 1: shit Like Keithy was a rich nigga, the reason the
Speaker 1: South Side Chris was the richest hood and counter when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, him cat name think they was
Speaker 1: like super rich when I was younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he just wasn't just some random dude from
Speaker 2: Vegas for people. Yeah, he was actually he was a
Speaker 2: real factor.
Speaker 1: And if you and them, dudes, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: any gang in La man, if you jump on somebody,
Speaker 1: they can pretty much bring your hat to you. If
Speaker 1: they if they decided for that to be their purpose,
Speaker 1: it don't matter who it is, as long as you
Speaker 1: around here.
Speaker 2: Thing is, it's it's just nice to see that they
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily give up.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is when I think about it, right, it's
Speaker 1: for twenty seven years and then he moved to Novata after,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and I think he
Speaker 1: been there, you know what I mean. But it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a weird thing going on about
Speaker 1: the whole to white and soul.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I see, I see some speculation about
Speaker 2: people's involvement.
Speaker 1: Ain't buying a puff. I conld make a joke anyway,
Speaker 1: but there's no My issue with that is because there's
Speaker 1: no way he could owe them a million dollars and
Speaker 1: then puff be alive for a year and they doubling
Speaker 1: back out here and they ain't got that money. That
Speaker 1: just and I don't believe that, But I think that
Speaker 1: made the story interesting enough to tell the story, and
Speaker 1: it puts somebody else as the head in the story,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't quite know why
Speaker 1: that would be the story. I mean, and then I
Speaker 1: could just be wrong cuz, like well, because there was that,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe it.
Speaker 2: But you know what's fun, there was that La Times
Speaker 2: article that was written that insinuated Puff was involved, as
Speaker 2: crazy as there's no way I could think of Puff
Speaker 2: like that. But if you think about Puff, Puff has.
Speaker 1: Became Shug lately. He is the sugar of how niggas
Speaker 1: firing niggas shut up, and he'd have jumped on Jake Call.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is true or not, but I heard do you
Speaker 2: remember that guy Chopper who was on making the bands?
Speaker 2: I heard when he was having issues with with Diddy.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is true, but I've
Speaker 2: heard this from a a couple of people. Puffy bought
Speaker 2: the house across the street from Trappa's mom just to
Speaker 2: fuck with him, like I own the house across the
Speaker 2: street from your mom, like I always have eyes on
Speaker 2: your mom's.
Speaker 1: That's crazy because Puff was like, I don't know, man, Puff.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it though, because Puff Puff seems like
Speaker 1: an alright guy, but I don't know cuz you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Not for sure. I mean, listen, I met him a
Speaker 2: couple of times and also seemed like an alright guy,
Speaker 2: Like I don't but I just I just can't like
Speaker 2: the guy you just never really fuck with for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: Like people kind of know not to fuck with Puffy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think it's out of a fear
Speaker 1: that Puff is gonna get at you. I think it's
Speaker 1: just like Puff is so like why would you want
Speaker 1: to burn a bridge with Puff?
Speaker 2: With Diddy?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, I never got like
Speaker 1: I've never in my life saw puffin thought to myself,
Speaker 1: even when he was arguing with the man from Power
Speaker 1: on the corner, because he was talking, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that that was Mere.
Speaker 2: Talking about when he was dressed like the Joker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, man, cuss Puff ass out of fire.
Speaker 1: Pushally did that because I just I see Puff is
Speaker 1: such a responsible man. I just can't see him wanting
Speaker 1: to throw his life away, and.
Speaker 2: He also has so much like going on. You would
Speaker 2: be like, Puff's not stupid, so he's.
Speaker 1: And then I can't see the South sides letting him
Speaker 1: get away with a million dollar debt for all that time,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that ain't gonna even last. And these
Speaker 1: niggas had something like when I tell you, these niggas
Speaker 1: had some money. Man, when I was going up them,
Speaker 1: niggas had money. I'm talking about real money. He was
Speaker 1: out of fucking Mike Tyson fight. I mean, these niggas got.
Speaker 2: Some money in the nineties. That's the ticket of the session.
Speaker 1: There's no way I could see them letting Cus get
Speaker 1: away with owing them that kind of money and ain't
Speaker 1: nothing happening because they had have been tearing his ass up.
Speaker 2: I wonder if this will motivate UH any sort of
Speaker 2: resolve in the Biggie murder, and I don't think it
Speaker 2: will because I think the LAPD was obviously involved off
Speaker 2: through the cops, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I just think the Biggie murder was a professional hit,
Speaker 1: and it's just different.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was a professional hit, and I
Speaker 2: think for whatever reason it would have impliced, it would
Speaker 2: have made the l a p D look really bad
Speaker 2: had they solved it properly.
Speaker 1: But even then the fans could come in. I just
Speaker 1: think it's hard to prove what happened like because it
Speaker 1: was so done professionally. The pot ship is different, Like
Speaker 1: we heard about that ship in real time, Like this
Speaker 1: is really I mean they just death row niggas just
Speaker 1: jumped Baty Lane like you you heard that in real
Speaker 1: time when it happened that night. Then you heard pod
Speaker 1: got shot. You could put two and two like it was.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. It was one one event affected another event.
Speaker 1: And it was a normal thing around that happened. The
Speaker 1: big Ship surprised everybody. None of us thought heard nothing
Speaker 1: big it was a hit. No, none of us even
Speaker 1: heard nothing about who did a PA hit? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that was like a real job. So I don't I
Speaker 1: think it's just different.
Speaker 2: Why don't you think Kanye has a classic album? What
Speaker 2: said that? Well, you said, no one has four classic
Speaker 2: albums and hip hop? Oh I don't know why the
Speaker 2: tweet I saw, I thought that. By the way, you're wrong,
Speaker 2: but uh, no one has four classic albums. Again, y'all
Speaker 2: keep making classics. It's just ship you like, or that's
Speaker 2: four college dropout late registration registration is not a it's
Speaker 2: his best album, that's not don't mean it's his classic
Speaker 2: classic shifts The game.
Speaker 1: It's not like late registration and graduations are ploys off
Speaker 1: of college dropout. They're not different things. They're not true
Speaker 1: graduations way different.
Speaker 2: It's not music.
Speaker 1: He sampled that don't mean nothing, don't mean nothing.
Speaker 2: It was the same ship classic albums. No, My Beautiful Dart,
Speaker 2: Twits and Fantasy is a classic.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna listen. I could take that greatest.
Speaker 2: It might be the greatest album ever. No, it might
Speaker 2: be No, all right, No, college dropped outs a classic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about changing stuff.
Speaker 1: And the way it heartbreaks, which I can't and what
Speaker 1: Jesus no, but I do totally enjoy us. A real Kanye.
Speaker 2: Fansis made Travis Scott possible. Listen. I'm not this and
Speaker 2: Travis was very much instrumental into the making of that album.
Speaker 1: You're not going to hear any debates with me about
Speaker 1: props for Yeasy.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to jump off. It's not a classic album.
Speaker 2: I can ask classic. I think I think Late Registration
Speaker 2: and Graduation are classic. No, I think Kanye his first
Speaker 2: five albums are classic.
Speaker 1: That don't even make sense. Somebody dropped five classic albums
Speaker 1: in the rold. Just think about what that would be. No,
Speaker 1: it don't even makes sense.
Speaker 2: Kanye listed No, No, he's got the greatest discography and
Speaker 2: hip hop history. I wouldn't even even I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: mind arguing that, Like, I'm okay with that, But he
Speaker 2: don't got five fucking classic albums. Do you know who
Speaker 2: else has four? Oh? Outcast? No? Yeah, God damn it,
Speaker 2: y'all just make anything a classic? What are you talking about, bro, Listen,
Speaker 2: A classic.
Speaker 1: Don't mean you really like it or it's really good.
Speaker 2: This is, by the way, this is your definition of
Speaker 2: a classic.
Speaker 1: Mine's is the author, aready figure in the conversation?
Speaker 2: Okay? As a product? Okay, So you think Outcast doesn't
Speaker 2: have four classics.
Speaker 1: Look if somebody I said, no, one in hip hop
Speaker 1: has four, not a soul, not a soul, and I
Speaker 1: think to hip hop.
Speaker 2: Fans, this is Kendrick has three.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna be First off, I came the
Speaker 1: fact that niggas was throwing that in the conversation was great.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: I was like, it was like DoD got five, Kendrick
Speaker 2: has three. I think it. I think to be determined
Speaker 2: on his last album, even though I really know. I
Speaker 2: still listen to it a lot. It's not a class
Speaker 2: I still listen. It's not to be determined. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's fair. I wouldn't put it in the Pimper Butterfly,
Speaker 2: Damn or good Kid Mad City converse.
Speaker 1: I don't even think people give Damn the correct credit.
Speaker 2: So I agree, agree. I think those are the three though.
Speaker 1: But but I think when you say classic, like, I
Speaker 1: think there's certain albums that are classic. Ill Madic has
Speaker 1: been regarded as a classic.
Speaker 2: Dog you style, right, dog style The Chronicles, by the way, what,
Speaker 2: in your opinion, what's the better album of the Chronic
Speaker 2: of two thousand and one, two thousand and one. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I like the age.
Speaker 1: I like the Chronic because the Chronic has these really
Speaker 1: important joints.
Speaker 2: Yes, but two thousand and one, if you right now, masterful, Yeah,
Speaker 2: some masterful. I just worked out to two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: like a month ago.
Speaker 1: I just played it and I was straight out of
Speaker 1: Compton as a classic Eddie Griffin.
Speaker 2: His skits on two thousand and one am so fired.
Speaker 1: Dre has always been faking your mama was a hot
Speaker 1: weekend pussy. That's crazy, okay, So yeah, but no, I
Speaker 1: was saying no one in hip hop assa.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I misunderstood the tweet thread that I
Speaker 2: might have saw you replied to, because you know, I
Speaker 2: thought you were saying that Kanye didn't have any classic albums,
Speaker 2: which I was just like, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1: I'm really careful with.
Speaker 2: Because I get Richard I try and classic.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's fucking fantastic.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, does Eminem have a classic? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have to think about Martin Maisp that would be
Speaker 2: the one, or Eminem shows. It's probably Marshall Mathers to
Speaker 2: your definite, I think EVANDAM Show is the better album.
Speaker 1: What would but but Fix is Scarface's classic. Yes, made
Speaker 1: is a better album.
Speaker 2: I like the Diary too and the Diaries and I
Speaker 2: think Untouchable was his best album.
Speaker 1: Fix it was a classic. Fix Fix has my favorite
Speaker 1: NOS verse ever. My favorite NODS verse ironically is on
Speaker 1: We Major.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, are that between us? Between me and you?
Speaker 2: Whatever the fuck that record is on the Fix, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: NOAs went the fucking.
Speaker 1: Uh That verse All We Major is crazy. It's victory
Speaker 1: lap of classic. I think it's been deemed they went
Speaker 1: back and got it right to classic when it was
Speaker 1: first release.
Speaker 2: But I think it but.
Speaker 1: Dogg Ye Style, the same thing happened with Doggie Style.
Speaker 1: The same thing happened with There was a few records.
Speaker 2: That One thing I'll give hip hop credit is they
Speaker 2: will go back and write their wrongs. They did that
Speaker 2: with reasonable doubt. They did it.
Speaker 1: That's fair because I remember Blueprint being the first one
Speaker 1: everybody thought was a classic. But it's like, what about
Speaker 1: everybody double back? And I remember having reasonable doubt thinking that.
Speaker 1: Then now they got it right right, because that's been
Speaker 1: the person that's come up a lot as J and
Speaker 1: I'm a diehard J Face Snoop scar.
Speaker 2: For what's Outcast classic album to you? Aliens at Alien? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's Quemini. If you're gonna pick a one,
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at that right there.
Speaker 1: Cast is like that weird group to where so many
Speaker 1: things it's so possible with them, and they.
Speaker 2: Now have the greatest selling hip hop album ever. They
Speaker 2: just passed uh eminem eminem.
Speaker 1: It's a double CD though, true, so it's gonna get
Speaker 1: counted twice.
Speaker 2: But you know, whatever, do you remember those days when
Speaker 2: like a ball was dropping triple albums like lost that.
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, if you did forty was doing
Speaker 1: that shit crazy?
Speaker 2: If you just did three hundred and thirty three thousand,
Speaker 2: you're platinum. Yeah, that's pretty slick. And then motherfuckers was
Speaker 2: dropping two albums on the same day. Who was here? Oh,
Speaker 2: I just was talking to insane clown posse. They were here,
Speaker 2: violent j and he's dope. Yeah, he was cool.
Speaker 1: He was very Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I got uncles like him that that's a
Speaker 2: lot of dope in their life and are just very
Speaker 2: like he was. He was just very He was jittering,
Speaker 2: such a cool dude, super nice, super jitter And we
Speaker 2: would talk and I'd ask him a question and then
Speaker 2: he would just go off on like a random tangent
Speaker 2: about something unrelated to the question.
Speaker 1: But them drugs be connecting different brain st.
Speaker 2: No, he was so cool. And I'm always real tough
Speaker 2: on juggalos because I think for the most part they
Speaker 2: have really bad Uh they're not good at the upkeep
Speaker 2: of their personal hygien But.
Speaker 1: You know what it is, man, Juggalos is like I
Speaker 1: always felt like they was the ghetto white people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but the most but the most ghetto. But
Speaker 2: that's why I actually clicked with them. Yeah, because I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: there's ghetto white people and then there's like the Juggalo.
Speaker 1: I love the motherfuckers. Yeah, I don't know, that's just
Speaker 1: my people.
Speaker 2: I don't have I.
Speaker 1: Did the fucking uh.
Speaker 2: You did the gathering, the gathering. Oh so you went
Speaker 2: to the gathering? Did you see the tent or the
Speaker 2: drug breaks?
Speaker 1: Even though people just fucking I've seen the drug?
Speaker 2: What does smell like?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get close enough. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it's I'm sa I love him, motherfucking I don't
Speaker 1: know my people.
Speaker 2: The Jugglers are so funny because, like I posted, and
Speaker 2: I've always given up my because I actually think ICP
Speaker 2: on a business model standpoint, are pioneers and hip hop.
Speaker 2: I think that what they did with their merchandising, I
Speaker 2: think Tech nine gets a lot and technos I feel
Speaker 2: this way, tech gets a.
Speaker 1: Lot of I think that, Yeah, I think Travis had did.
Speaker 1: Travis had has done a really good job on improving
Speaker 1: on that model, for.
Speaker 2: Improving improved on kind of what ICP had had going.
Speaker 2: But I think this is b I think I think
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, CP their marketing and just their business
Speaker 2: model is hip hop artists. Like when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: they were the only kind of hip hop group where
Speaker 2: you could go buy their shirt and Spencers, like there
Speaker 2: was ICP Jerseys.
Speaker 1: And white Man Hot Topic, white Shit have it.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying it's like it's like they they pushed.
Speaker 1: They pushed the line to me, they pushed.
Speaker 2: The line of like if you go to a concert,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have one hundred skews that you could purchase.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have shoelaces, We're gonna have all that ship.
Speaker 1: A lot of that ship is brilliant, Like the Motherfuckers
Speaker 1: is brilliant, you know, I mean the Motherfuckers is fire.
Speaker 1: That just insane.
Speaker 2: So when did you first link with the juggle of
Speaker 2: world because you were signed a Suburban Noise, which is
Speaker 2: kind of an offshoot that world was suburban Okay, that
Speaker 2: was like cotton Mouth King's Kevin Zinger s r H.
Speaker 1: The boy that's popping now, shout out to him. They
Speaker 1: got that whole anti. To me, that ship is a
Speaker 1: dope movement where they have like uh uh Adam.
Speaker 2: Calhoun, Yeah, him and I have had words online.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Adam is another guy, Tom McDonald. And there's
Speaker 1: another guy that was from this group kind of buff
Speaker 1: but dope. I got a song with him and this
Speaker 1: pissed me off. I am yeah, but but that's he
Speaker 1: was a part of a group initially Struggle. No, it
Speaker 1: was it was Real Pr. The name of the song
Speaker 1: is called Real P.
Speaker 2: I uh.
Speaker 1: God, damn it, I'm losing my fucking mind. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I like that movement. It's funny because I feel like
Speaker 1: they move into such a uh all set movement, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: Why am I not figuring this out? That's not to
Speaker 1: say much.
Speaker 2: Though, but what I need to figure out? Who you're
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Mad Child? Mad Child?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he used to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: I did this song with the group though Swollen members,
Speaker 1: Swollen members.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did a song with Swollen members because right, which
Speaker 1: is dope right? And the song with Swallen members. And
Speaker 1: I like Mad Child, me and Mad Child.
Speaker 2: Still, I don't put mat Child in that world.
Speaker 1: I know, but so to me because he's Canadian, like
Speaker 1: you allto gonna see it differently.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that I think they had a label
Speaker 2: called battle Axe Records. I could be wrong. About but
Speaker 2: it was like they were like really like some indie
Speaker 2: backpack like hip hop vinyl, Like you went and bought
Speaker 2: their singles back?
Speaker 1: Would you dug a Tom and them? Tom and Adam.
Speaker 2: I personally, I'm not too mad at Tom. I've seen
Speaker 2: some of his I've seen. I was actually kind of
Speaker 2: interested in his business model because I saw a video
Speaker 2: come out. I'm like a music industry nerd. So I
Speaker 2: saw a video come out or some sort of something
Speaker 2: came across my timeline that he had sold a certain
Speaker 2: amount of units, but because he sold them the way
Speaker 2: he did that they didn't count it towards his billboard sales,
Speaker 2: and that had they counted his billboard sales properly, he
Speaker 2: would have probably had like the number one album in
Speaker 2: the country or something. Right, So I watched a YouTube
Speaker 2: video that he put up explaining and showing how much
Speaker 2: he actually sold. And my homie Dax did a song
Speaker 2: with him and Dax Records here, that's my friend. That's
Speaker 2: the brother, that's like the brother that's super active. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not like some country songs he's got. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw, so I know they've worked together. That the
Speaker 2: Tom McDonald w this Canadian, Dax is Canadian. The other
Speaker 2: guy out of him Adam Calhoun. This is the thing
Speaker 2: that's weirded about Adam Calhoun. Me and him have had
Speaker 2: our words, and I've said that his music is horrible.
Speaker 2: I don't really think like this is my thing. Anybody
Speaker 2: who and and you can this dude like made a
Speaker 2: record saying the N word over and over for shock value.
Speaker 1: Sure you saw the video, Yeah, it's the one were
Speaker 1: talking about trying to trash how our experience can be.
Speaker 1: And I get to I get it, But I was
Speaker 1: just like, bro, like this he might have gas the
Speaker 1: nigga you feel right?
Speaker 2: And I just feel like somehow and I could be
Speaker 2: categorizing what he does unfairly. I could be, But I
Speaker 2: think the leaning into the maga world for Clout is
Speaker 2: very like so you don't genuinely believe he believes in
Speaker 2: the shit. It's not that I think that if like,
Speaker 2: your musical identity is your maga like and I don't
Speaker 2: And listen to be fair to this guy because I
Speaker 2: just talked I just talked to Jelly Roll, who's one
Speaker 2: of my Jelly is Dope. Well, Jelly's one of my
Speaker 2: closest friends in me, dope.
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Speaker 2: Jelly the last time I saw him, I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I know you're tight with that dude Adam Calhoun, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to have like any real beef with
Speaker 2: somebody that you're friends with. So I was like, if
Speaker 2: you ever want to put me on the phone with
Speaker 2: him like I wouldn't mind, just because we went back
Speaker 2: and forth on in our YouTube comments. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think his music's very good, but I can't
Speaker 2: equate what he does because he's got whole albums with
Speaker 2: my Boy Struggle and Struggles my boy, like I love
Speaker 2: Struggles Struggles a talented guy. So I really I think
Speaker 2: I may have unfairly equated what he's doing with what
Speaker 2: some of these real maga rappers are doing, because there's
Speaker 2: like real.
Speaker 1: Sure gods, so you can see they taking advantage.
Speaker 2: No, they're literally their entire identity is they do maga rap.
Speaker 2: It's like a shove, a subgenre of music that is
Speaker 2: strictly based on fuck, black Lives matter, Trump, Trump, Trump,
Speaker 2: what's the what's the jerk offs name from Florida? That
Speaker 2: uh no, no no, the for Giotto Blow who used
Speaker 2: to be signing used to be signed to Thomas Jones
Speaker 2: and was a fucking wanna be street rapper in Tampa
Speaker 2: when I lived there, And now all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he is literally the face of maga rat. To me,
Speaker 2: that ship's corny, super corny. And then there's like, so
Speaker 2: I think I might have unfairly put those two guys
Speaker 2: in the same lane. As to where I don't think
Speaker 2: Adam Calhoun's music, I think I might have unfairly judged it. Also,
Speaker 2: he was beefing with my boy CASKI, so I might
Speaker 2: have unfairly judged him. I'm not a fan of his music.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of like and this is. And
Speaker 2: Also I'd like to point out it'd be like if
Speaker 2: there was somebody waving a Biden flag in their rap songs,
Speaker 2: You'd be like, what's happening, Like, Who's Who's making pro
Speaker 2: bi Who's making pro Biden rap music? Can I ask
Speaker 2: you that question?
Speaker 1: Every last pop artist breathing no, no, no, I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking about by name. We're talking. I mean, listen, I
Speaker 2: can pull up. There are some of these songs and
Speaker 2: the hook is is like Trump Trump Trump, Maga Maga Magic.
Speaker 1: But that's because it's counter culture. It's counter culture. So
Speaker 1: it was very much counter anything counter even when hip
Speaker 1: hop would use Trump's name as a way to establish
Speaker 1: the conversation of wealth right.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, Trump was take over the world on
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: That's Trump was always counterculture. I'm Donald Trump and the
Speaker 1: white T and white Woman's the conversations.
Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump is on method Man's second solo album,
Speaker 2: to Count.
Speaker 1: Because so again, Trump has always been counterculture, just where
Speaker 1: you place it.
Speaker 2: So my whole thing is this, if I would look
Speaker 2: at a rapper the same way, if they did an
Speaker 2: aoc acost of Cortes, the Congress lady from from New York,
Speaker 2: if someone did a song that was like waving her
Speaker 2: flat about.
Speaker 1: If somebody did a baroxa like my president is black.
Speaker 2: That's hard because that's history. It's the first by president.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: By the way, great song, shout out to Jesus, that's
Speaker 2: my favorite g Z album. The Recession, great album. It's classic,
Speaker 2: great app But.
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is like a classics
Speaker 1: the classic.
Speaker 2: Yes, to me, it's a classic. To me, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think it's it's higher on the
Speaker 2: classic tier than than than Doug Motivation one on one,
Speaker 2: it's not a classic. I like The Recession me too.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's more of a classic than it's
Speaker 2: not a classic. To be fair, it's not a consensus classic.
Speaker 2: It's a classic to me. I think we can all
Speaker 2: have personal Well, you just like it no, but I
Speaker 2: think to me, it's a classic to me. But I
Speaker 2: would say I break down classics from different perspectives. One
Speaker 2: would be what I call consensus hip hop classics, where
Speaker 2: if you said that album is a classic, nobod's gonna
Speaker 2: say shit.
Speaker 1: You nobody will say that about graduation, you don't have
Speaker 1: some conversations and hip hop.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's that's that's that's me. When I think
Speaker 2: of Drake, he don't have a good kid. Mad City
Speaker 2: the closest thing he's got to take care.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, I just had that conversation somebody
Speaker 1: said that I think. I was like, probably not, but
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I think Drake's best album is Nothing Was the Same,
Speaker 2: And I actually think that album is damn near flawless.
Speaker 2: And I think we don't give that album enough flowers
Speaker 2: because Nothing Was the same as I think.
Speaker 1: Drake is fantastic and making music. Man. So I think
Speaker 1: I think Drake, but I just don't know if he's
Speaker 1: ever adjusted culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get you. I think unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: think the last like five years, I feel like he's
Speaker 2: been just mailing it in even then because I actually enjoyed,
Speaker 2: you know, what I enjoyed about Drake was when he
Speaker 2: did the DM album.
Speaker 1: I think Drake always got some cuts, so it's hard.
Speaker 2: To really always got to I say, I can't. I
Speaker 2: never listened to Madonna's I don't know that.
Speaker 1: You gotta go fuck with Madonna, bro, and it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's not for me, I'm telling you, and they get madly.
Speaker 1: I don't think eighties music is good. Eighties pop music
Speaker 1: is terrible. I'm not it all aged horribly.
Speaker 2: It sounds like shit. It's corny as fuck.
Speaker 1: Keep all you just can't wait to Doom Doom, Doom,
Speaker 1: Doom Doom.
Speaker 2: I like eighties metal. Hey, give me eighties metal, Metallica,
Speaker 2: that's not bad. Give me fucking you know, the eighties.
Speaker 2: I mean Van Halen's not metal. It's like pop rock.
Speaker 2: That's like Drake of rock. I would say, like Judas
Speaker 2: metal would have got big guitars. Yeah, Mega Death, Pantera's
Speaker 2: some ship in the eighties.
Speaker 1: So so so at that point, Guns and Roses the
Speaker 1: king of metal.
Speaker 2: Well, guns and Roses was pop rock, and that was
Speaker 2: the early nineties. But yeah, I mean Guns and Roses
Speaker 2: were the biggest shit on the planet for you know,
Speaker 2: four years.
Speaker 1: So Metallica is metal, so you need the over abusive
Speaker 1: guitars to be metal.
Speaker 2: No, I mean Metallica is like eight minute songs with
Speaker 2: two minute guitar solos in it, you know, like if
Speaker 2: you listen to Master of Puppets, so that it's over abusive.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is even like metal. People think Metallica's
Speaker 2: like sell out metal because they sold out with the
Speaker 2: Black album, their bigges album. They had a ballot on there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that ballad is t like to if
Speaker 1: you listen like for who.
Speaker 2: The Bell Tolls or like one Ship like that. It's
Speaker 2: just big heavy.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we have the same conversations per genre.
Speaker 1: And that's what I've been trying to say to you.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's all rock and roll,
Speaker 2: but I think there's metal, which is like rap.
Speaker 1: So there's all rap. But everything in hip hop everything
Speaker 1: is raped. A lot of shit is rap, but everything
Speaker 1: in hip hop hip hop is like metal. See, rock
Speaker 1: and roll is just rap. Anybody could rap, anybody could
Speaker 1: put out a rap album, but hip hop is a
Speaker 1: special representation of culture where you bear the burden of
Speaker 1: it all and you carry it on your shoulders and
Speaker 1: you know you you you're judge based off of what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that can determine if you sell another record,
Speaker 1: not for sure that and that's not what yady you
Speaker 1: know shout out to Yati no District. I don't know
Speaker 1: his history, but I'm saying he doesn't. He's not He's
Speaker 1: not responsible for that. Yachty can do anything. And it's
Speaker 1: not because kids can do anything. Because Zoel Sama is
Speaker 1: a kid. He can't just do anything. If do something,
Speaker 1: it's some trouble. If some of these young hip hop
Speaker 1: orners do some silly shit, their career is going to
Speaker 1: take a hit.
Speaker 2: Right. I think that's definitely like true when it comes
Speaker 2: to like if your if your music and your persona.
Speaker 1: Is hip hop is street, but hip hop is only street,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else outside of it.
Speaker 2: I think that's true. It is you just say it evolved.
Speaker 2: Can't you agree things evolve?
Speaker 1: Then metal can evolve. Yeah, so medical be ballots.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I'm telling you with like I'm a hardcore
Speaker 2: hip hop nigga. Okay, hardcore damn, You're not going to
Speaker 2: sell it out. So you're trying to say because to me,
Speaker 2: it all can evolve.
Speaker 1: No, it can't evolve because hip hop can never be
Speaker 1: somewhere where culture doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this in general, right, if
Speaker 2: hip hop can't evolve, it's you.
Speaker 1: No culture evolves. But hip hop, right is always going
Speaker 1: to be street urban culture. It can't evolve into the
Speaker 1: suburbs because suburbs will never have culture. They'll never have
Speaker 1: the they don't have the things. Cocaine plants, coca plants, right,
Speaker 1: we can grow them here, right, Me and you could
Speaker 1: get a warehouse really and we could grow them yep,
Speaker 1: inside of the warehouse with all the lights and water
Speaker 1: system and all that. Right, but how no, illegally, but
Speaker 1: we would never have enough cocaine, would never have enough plants,
Speaker 1: dried up leaves. I think it's like one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten thousand pounds of dried up leaves or some crazy
Speaker 1: shit you need. We would never create enough leaves to
Speaker 1: make one fucking kilo because coca plants don't grow wild everywhere.
Speaker 1: They don't have the environment, the right sun, the right
Speaker 1: conditions to grow. That's hip hop. Hip Hop can only
Speaker 1: grow there. There's no middle class place where your culture
Speaker 1: is created. They don't need lingo. You know why they
Speaker 1: don't need slang because the fucking school programs are good.
Speaker 2: I see. I don't think that's true though, because that
Speaker 2: is there is culture created through in middle.
Speaker 1: Class where what fashion where Listen, they have addition, which
Speaker 1: is which is culture. No, No tradition can be an
Speaker 1: aspect of culture.
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say that, like the automobile industry
Speaker 2: was in the in the Midwest, was a middle class
Speaker 2: industry up until it fell.
Speaker 1: Sure, but having a job there for poor people was
Speaker 1: the culture?
Speaker 2: Right? No, but those were middle class people.
Speaker 1: No, No, they were middle class people at that time,
Speaker 1: at that time, right, But I agree, But that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hip hop was birthed after they shut the
Speaker 1: factories down, after there was no opportunity, after people was
Speaker 1: deprived of things.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was also birthed in the Bronx, So
Speaker 2: it's definitely the same thing.
Speaker 1: That's diffinitely worse than that might be just the same
Speaker 1: as Detroit. Right, So, all I'm saying to you is
Speaker 1: middle class people can enjoy the music, But to say
Speaker 1: that they they had there's a culture there, it's just not.
Speaker 1: And I've been to a lot of suburbs.
Speaker 2: Hey, somehow we broke away from you telling me how
Speaker 2: you first leave for Juggalos.
Speaker 1: Oh, Tech nine, Techno Tech nine went on toward Tech nine. Uh,
Speaker 1: Tech loved me, Travis love Me. I want to three
Speaker 1: times three years straight. Which tours was this, because the
Speaker 1: first tour with tech it was just me and Tech
Speaker 1: and Chris and cut. Then the next tour was ME forty.
Speaker 1: That's the tour I saw you on ME forty. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're talking about Joe Buddens. You guys did House Oh Slaughterhouse,
Speaker 1: Slaughterhouse that was at the and K Dot, j Rock, Kendrick.
Speaker 2: And j Rock. That was on the you guys did
Speaker 2: House of Blues in Vegas Independent Grind tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there, it was it was Kendrick, j Rock,
Speaker 1: ME forty.
Speaker 2: That was when Jay Rock could put out the album
Speaker 2: on Strange YEP, forty YEP, Slaughterhouse in Tech Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was a crazy tour.
Speaker 1: That was fantastic when I think about it, like wow, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: That's why I was telling violent Jay and he went
Speaker 2: on this tangent about him and Tech nine almost went
Speaker 2: to war, and I was like, that's not what I
Speaker 2: was asking. I was trying to get to the point
Speaker 2: of you guys like revolutionizing the merch game. And then
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, but they didn't. But I was like,
Speaker 2: you guys share so many of the same fans that
Speaker 2: it's like that what doesn't makes sense Because if you
Speaker 2: go to a tech show, you're gonna see a guy
Speaker 2: with a slaughterhouse or a slaughter a Hatchman tattoo, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a guy with a strange music tattoo
Speaker 2: on the same you.
Speaker 1: Know, I like a technician and a fucking a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of these.
Speaker 2: People are the same, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I always thought they fan base should be called the Strangers.
Speaker 2: I see what you did there. I like technicians me too,
Speaker 2: shout to the strange. So yeah, you got you got
Speaker 2: exposed to that world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. It was amazing. To say, dog,
Speaker 1: that fucked my life up, I mean, and I think
Speaker 1: it helped even Kendrick. I think that was a big
Speaker 1: influence on what Kendrick did because that was this was
Speaker 1: two thy eleven ten, nine eleven.
Speaker 2: Yep, I think that tour was eleven, But.
Speaker 1: I think I remember he used to watch him on
Speaker 1: stage like every night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you gotta see you gotta know technic, like
Speaker 2: Peak Tech with him, Cut Calhoun and Chris Kalico together, Tech.
Speaker 1: Is probably the best hip hop performer. It's probably Tech nine.
Speaker 1: Buster Busters up there, Red and Method is up There's
Speaker 1: somebody else up there that I'm not thinking about, that
Speaker 1: super dupe up on stage. But them guys is really special.
Speaker 2: The Tech nine is the go to me. Tech is
Speaker 2: hard to fuck with, I think, so you don't have
Speaker 2: to know one of tech songs, And that to me
Speaker 2: is the key, is that I became a fan of
Speaker 2: Tech nine not knowing any of his songs. Besides like
Speaker 2: Slacker and I'm a player, I'm a player, sure, And
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 1: Saw him live, I was like, it's funny because you
Speaker 1: just songs. You to me, that is that's different. And
Speaker 1: to me text doing two hours straight.
Speaker 2: No track behind him wrapping a million miles a minute
Speaker 2: and dancing, dancing choreography, and I'm talking like Peak Tech tour,
Speaker 2: Tech is a monster And even like recently I said
Speaker 2: this to him. He did a tour on the show
Speaker 2: many times, not on my podcast yet, but I mean
Speaker 2: I've interviewed Tech probably ten times. He had a tour
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen or seventeen sixteen, maybe said early seventeen
Speaker 2: and it was this was when Chris Calico and him
Speaker 2: or Chris left strange. There's no cut Calhoun. So it
Speaker 2: was just him and to me, a part of like
Speaker 2: TeX's live show that was super dope was him and
Speaker 2: Chris's energy back and forth. But I saw him by
Speaker 2: himself and he had he had like it was like
Speaker 2: the gangster, the the clown and the king and he
Speaker 2: somehow bro it was the craziest texture I've ever been to.
Speaker 2: And it was just him and the way he like
Speaker 2: changed his outfitches that work byself. Bro that No, he's
Speaker 2: a professional, like when he does this shit he does
Speaker 2: this strange business model is carried on show business.
Speaker 1: Well, strange business model is one that more hip hop
Speaker 1: labels should adopt. What's hard because you need to take
Speaker 1: nine and it's hard because of strict Well, the strict
Speaker 1: part can work, but the tech nine part is the
Speaker 1: hard part.
Speaker 2: Because like when you were on tour with them, you
Speaker 2: guys had rules, right if you If you didn't.
Speaker 1: No rules, it's just your as gonna miss the bus.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's rules.
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't no rules to me? Then what
Speaker 1: was the rules?
Speaker 2: There's uh that well they now they have rules like
Speaker 2: if you agree to go on the tour, you have
Speaker 2: to abide by the rules or they find you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't have that, but that was based on what's
Speaker 2: the rules. Uh no, nobody on the bus. That isn't
Speaker 2: like no girls on the bus. No, uh yeah, that
Speaker 2: was nothing like that, no smoking on the bus. But
Speaker 2: that was because something had happened to cause there's an
Speaker 2: incident or an issue that happened that made those rules.
Speaker 2: Each one of those rules get like so now when
Speaker 2: you go on tour with tech, you gotta sign off
Speaker 2: on Hey, I'm gonna follow these rules. Like Dizzy right,
Speaker 2: was so frustrated he couldn't smoke on the bus so
Speaker 2: he would just pay the fine. Fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah nah, I didn't have They didn't have some hab.
Speaker 2: Something definitely happened there, but they they before the rules.
Speaker 2: It might have been a machine gun Kelly Tour that
Speaker 2: caused them in and put those rules in.
Speaker 1: Before the rules, it was just I don't smoke anyways,
Speaker 1: they weren't for me. But before the rules, it was
Speaker 1: just it is very strict, but not strict in rules
Speaker 1: time like you really do like oh yeah, the bus
Speaker 1: will these shows in sixty four days. Yeah, you the
Speaker 1: bus will leave. You don't have a choice.
Speaker 2: It has no choice to show much going.
Speaker 1: You just fly to the next town.
Speaker 2: Did you ever miss the bus? Never?
Speaker 1: In life, I wouldn't. The rules wouldn't matter to me.
Speaker 1: I don't smoke a drink. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: even care about bringing girls.
Speaker 2: On the bus. I wonder what that tour is like.
Speaker 2: If og Muggs has to be security for E forty
Speaker 2: and Tach done.
Speaker 1: That was kind of cool. I remember that people don't
Speaker 1: keep running back out on the stage.
Speaker 2: Og Muggs is kind of like he's tech security to
Speaker 2: keep running back. Also kind of forty security. He had
Speaker 2: to keep running back on the stage and run shout
Speaker 2: out to mud. He had to double up. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: probably the roughest tour his his.
Speaker 1: Uh, he was complaining, complaining, He was complaining anyway.
Speaker 2: So the new album is out, cancel these nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's really good man. They telling me it's classic. Now,
Speaker 1: y'all have fucked it up for me because I felt
Speaker 1: specially at first, I've been hearing scar Face and me
Speaker 1: fire moojis about it, and niggas been hitting me tell
Speaker 1: about how good it is, and people like this classic.
Speaker 1: Then I tweet nobody before class and I realize the
Speaker 1: classify every album as a class I'm like, y'all just.
Speaker 2: Fucked it up for me. I thought I had something special,
Speaker 2: not every album, just four of more than four. I Kanye.
Speaker 1: A dude told me Kanye had eight classics.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kanye's first five albums are a classic, so see,
Speaker 2: and just ruined it.
Speaker 1: Time changing.
Speaker 2: He dropped five first six albums are classics.
Speaker 1: He dropped six Doggie styles in a row. He dropped
Speaker 1: six ematics in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kanye's first six albums he.
Speaker 1: Dropped six ematics. He dropped, he dropped, he dropped, fucking.
Speaker 2: Yes, college, college drop out, late registration, graduation. My Beautiful
Speaker 2: Dark Twisted Fantasy, A Ways and Heartbreaks was before My
Speaker 2: Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Jesus, those are six classics. Yees,
Speaker 2: this is a perfect album. Dropped six omatics in a row,
Speaker 2: and and outside of that, those are the those are
Speaker 2: the six I have to give it to now. I
Speaker 2: also happen to feel that if you were to put
Speaker 2: the Good Friday songs together on a zip file in
Speaker 2: the blog era, that's a whole other classic album. I
Speaker 2: also happened to feel that, uh.
Speaker 1: It's just the standards has been lowered.
Speaker 2: Kids see Ghosts is one of Kanye's greatest bodies of
Speaker 2: work ever for him and Kid.
Speaker 1: Cutting as well. Say as a classic, he just make
Speaker 1: anything in classic.
Speaker 2: You said it not?
Speaker 1: I mean he dropped six ill maatics in the row.
Speaker 1: Fucking Kanye, that's crazy. Six illmatics.
Speaker 2: He dropped six well, I mean he definitely, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: I mean six in a row. Yeah, six ill But
Speaker 2: that's why he's got the greatest hip hop discography of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 1: Six ellmatics in a row. I mean he had, he
Speaker 1: had that the first three records. I mean, I'll cast
Speaker 1: it four straight.
Speaker 2: You know, Oreo Maddix in a row, Southern playerlist of
Speaker 2: Caatellacts and Cemini four four get rich of DoD Trons
Speaker 2: in the row. That's just how crazy? Wait wait wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll cast has five classics.
Speaker 1: And he got five classes in the row. Five get
Speaker 1: rich of DoD Tron's in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I cast got five of them. That's just crazy.
Speaker 1: I can't argue because at this point it's like I
Speaker 1: ain't never heard. I didn't even know hip hop had
Speaker 1: DMX has one. Somebody told me the DMS had four.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's not all this ship is crazy, y'all. Y'all would
Speaker 1: make it like.
Speaker 2: If you DMX has DMX has one. This dude told
Speaker 2: me and a half. He told me best of both
Speaker 2: worlds is classic class Someone told I think you should
Speaker 2: have blocked him.
Speaker 1: I'm not on blocking nobody. What I never blocked people.
Speaker 2: Hove has got two undeniable classics, and then the Black album,
Speaker 2: which is up for debate.
Speaker 1: This dude said, all of these classes. He showed me
Speaker 1: all the album, all the Kanye Me like, all the
Speaker 1: people have classics.
Speaker 2: No, I'll say this. Jay Z's got two undeniables, and
Speaker 2: then the Black album, which to me is a classic.
Speaker 1: I think Drake has He said, if we talk about songs,
Speaker 1: hold got one hundred classic songs.
Speaker 2: Even Chief keep got him. You just chatting, okay, I
Speaker 2: don't know. This is your people. Here's a white man
Speaker 2: he talked.
Speaker 1: And then another dude said, I'm so tired of interaction farming.
Speaker 1: This is the most obvious bait I've seen all day.
Speaker 1: And retards on Twitter eat it up. No one in
Speaker 1: hip hop classics.
Speaker 2: Your tweet was no one in hip hop has four classics.
Speaker 2: This is the tweet, So that's the one. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Look how many fucking views are Yes?
Speaker 2: So someone said outcast, which is true. Damn two point
Speaker 2: eight million DMX. That person should be blocked.
Speaker 1: It's going to get worse. This is your people. That's
Speaker 1: just the madness.
Speaker 2: J Z four classes conye C might be close. I
Speaker 2: might have cube is jay Z. Don't uh outcast day
Speaker 2: the roots. This is your people, y'all. Just say NAS
Speaker 2: don't have four.
Speaker 1: People said no, man, I see NAS probably top five
Speaker 1: gods mentioned.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite MC. Ever he don't got four.
Speaker 1: But this is the point, y'all. Don't understand what a
Speaker 1: classic album is. Y'all just saying it's a really good
Speaker 1: album or you think it's almost perfect. That's not There's
Speaker 1: no way Kanye dropped five Get Richard die Tron's in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: It's just not true. No, he did six.
Speaker 1: He didn't drop six in a row.
Speaker 2: Six in a row. And you're right, no way five
Speaker 2: because it was six.
Speaker 1: He didn't drop six.
Speaker 2: It was six.
Speaker 1: So six of Kanye's album is Get rich of true
Speaker 1: first six, the first six. Yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I put get Richard die Try.
Speaker 1: It's funny because people think I'm interacting former Like I
Speaker 1: thought this was a reasonable point.
Speaker 2: Oh, I figured, I think how rare it is so
Speaker 2: people think you were trolling for the for the interaction,
Speaker 2: I sweart.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, and my tripping, like,
Speaker 1: why does this tweet have three million views?
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say? On the West Coast the
Speaker 2: person that's in the discussion is Kendrick. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't believe. I don't believe no
Speaker 1: one has four classic album. There's nobody in the discussion. Well,
Speaker 1: I think cube, if you look at America's more Death Certificate,
Speaker 1: then you say straight out of Compton and West Side
Speaker 1: Connection maybe, but then a lot of people might not
Speaker 1: look at West Side Connection as a consensus classic.
Speaker 2: Uncultured twine is what we call those people.
Speaker 1: You feel me, But it's like, I wouldn't think I
Speaker 1: really thought that. I was like, damn, it's some people
Speaker 1: that got close to three. Like I thought Kanye. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Kanye might have three. I thought might have got Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think j might have three. I was like, Nas
Speaker 1: probably has for sure.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: Life is good is better than Illmatic, but Illmatic is
Speaker 1: a classic, right, I disagree, I understand, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: Life is Good is a better album then Illmatic, but
Speaker 1: Illmadic is the classic.
Speaker 2: Life is Good isn't even a top four NAS album.
Speaker 1: That's because NAS fans have bad tastes.
Speaker 2: That's not true. It's good, it was written better. No,
Speaker 2: I like Life is Good. No, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 2: fail mad. It was written lost tapes.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, Like, if you listen, I
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest.
Speaker 2: It's because you're fucking twelve. And his goat sulta Wayne.
Speaker 1: Little Wayne is dope. Oh motherfucker said, Lil Wayne got
Speaker 1: five classic goalbum he said all the Carters.
Speaker 2: I was like, you should have blocked who ever said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, why, But that's as bad as
Speaker 1: you saying Kanye got six classes.
Speaker 2: No, listen, there's an argument to be made that Wayne's
Speaker 2: got two Carter two and three. I wouldn't even say that.
Speaker 2: And I actually think my favorite one is the best one. Well,
Speaker 2: I was about to say that my favorite is the
Speaker 2: Carter one.
Speaker 1: It's the best one.
Speaker 2: I think Birdman Junior is my favorite Little Wayne song ever.
Speaker 2: And then you got I miss my dogs, but.
Speaker 1: You're getting closed. Probably my favorite Little Wayne.
Speaker 2: Song was on the quarter Cardan Junior is my favorite.
Speaker 2: But all I'm saying Party two didn't age well, you
Speaker 2: know what's a classic or close to it? Like father,
Speaker 2: like son?
Speaker 1: See see what I'm saying now, and then bird Man
Speaker 1: and look at this shit and be like, fucking no,
Speaker 1: fucking stunt of the ship was the ship?
Speaker 2: But why you got to just say classic?
Speaker 1: You were signing cash money right, yes, But then now
Speaker 1: I'll say something bird To look at me and be like,
Speaker 1: you just go I'm.
Speaker 2: Not a classic?
Speaker 1: Why why do we gotta go that far?
Speaker 2: It's a cult classic? How about that? It's not if
Speaker 2: you're not at it's not a hip hop consensus.
Speaker 1: The greatest album out of the South is a cash
Speaker 1: money album.
Speaker 2: It's four hundred degrees. That's a class far, yes, by far.
Speaker 2: Four hundred degrees is the best cash money album of all.
Speaker 1: It's the greatest album out of the South, and guy,
Speaker 1: four hundred degrees womenI is better.
Speaker 2: But four hundred degrees is the best cash money album ever.
Speaker 1: It's the best album out of the South's.
Speaker 2: And I'm not mad at that take. It's not that's
Speaker 2: a reasonable take, But all my takes for hip hop
Speaker 2: takes a reasonable four hit.
Speaker 1: What's the worst? What's my worst take?
Speaker 2: Kanye don't have four classics. He's the only one was
Speaker 2: for well besides Outcast, out Cast got five. I'll cast
Speaker 2: is bat in one thousand percent. We won't even count Idlewild.
Speaker 2: It was a soundtrack because a classic. No, it was
Speaker 2: a soundtrack. But it's a classic soundtrack. I mean it's
Speaker 2: not a bad soundtrack. It's got Hollywood Divorce on there
Speaker 2: with Lil Wayne, and it's fucked.
Speaker 1: Up because all these people are like guys, my predecessors
Speaker 1: I look up to, and then it makes me sound
Speaker 1: so crazy. Okay, like Father, like Son is a cult classic,
Speaker 1: Like the first big Timers album, Fuck yeah, I got
Speaker 1: that work.
Speaker 2: No, it's not the first big Timers.
Speaker 1: Album, the first one that came on Universal before I.
Speaker 2: Got that work cult classic. They just listen, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: They just put that album on the DSPs like two
Speaker 2: years ago, and I was like, bro, what the first
Speaker 2: big Timers album? Oh? I had that city three different times.
Speaker 2: You got so scratched up.
Speaker 1: But that don't mean you don't look you don't have
Speaker 1: to make albums we like a classic. You could just
Speaker 1: like them.
Speaker 2: Big timers have a could. I'm are called certain hip
Speaker 2: hop albums cult classics, like all them Kanye is are
Speaker 2: cult classic, Drake. Nothing was the same cult classic. I'm
Speaker 2: not mad at that. I'm not mad at a cultured classic.
Speaker 2: But then what coaching fifty cent the massacre? Cult classic?
Speaker 2: No great album, very great album, cult classic.
Speaker 1: No, you don't have to put classic and great together.
Speaker 1: It's just different.
Speaker 2: It's a cult classic. It's not a cun bab for
Speaker 2: mercy cult classic.
Speaker 1: That intro is for sure culture classic. I was just
Speaker 1: talking about that though. Songs like Zoom is a cult classic.
Speaker 1: Boozy no Zoom What the commodoes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thaid, well, listen, bro, we're talk about hip hop.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Boozy zoom zone. We said culture right, So culture,
Speaker 2: when I say cult classic, I mean like Kill Bill
Speaker 2: Volume one and two together, it's a cult classic. My
Speaker 2: favorite movie ever. Cult classic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They create a culture behind them and people enjoy them
Speaker 1: as a group. Here I go, mystical cult classic. Here
Speaker 1: I go, that is a culture classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because now when Dean Sanders wins, he's play me
Speaker 2: my music and what's on that? It's that Wow, I
Speaker 2: ain't know that. Yep.
Speaker 1: So it's certain things. But you just got to stop
Speaker 1: abusing the.
Speaker 2: Word classic like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking facts. Kanye doesn't have four classes and you're
Speaker 1: right he has six. He doesn't have six. Kanye may
Speaker 1: have Kanye may have two classics.
Speaker 2: Kanye's got the single greatest discography we've ever seen, followed
Speaker 2: by Outcast, followed by ghost Face.
Speaker 1: Skill up, I'm not mad at the face. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad atos face.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I got you?
Speaker 1: So Kanye dropped six purple tapes?
Speaker 2: That's what you said? Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now next time they see you, we have this conversation
Speaker 1: they see you. It was like Kanye dropped six purple tape.
Speaker 1: Kanye dropped, no fucking six purple tapes. No he didn't,
Speaker 1: you're right, didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, he dropped.
Speaker 1: Do you know how asked night As you're saying he drops,
Speaker 1: do you know what you're saying when you say that
Speaker 1: he dropped six purple tapes?
Speaker 2: This nick is crazy. Well, go get the album, cancel
Speaker 2: these nuts. Go to the cryptstore dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cripstore dot com. Grab the autograph copy. You
Speaker 1: can also go, I got vinyl stream, I got cassettes.
Speaker 1: I got cassette.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's crippy. Yeah, how do you get vinyl made
Speaker 2: as an independent artist these days? Just pay for it,
Speaker 2: just like distributed to anybody. You just handle this, nah,
Speaker 2: Olivia's collection.
Speaker 1: I made my own distribution company for my mom's just
Speaker 1: distributing it, putting it out there. It's all good. It's
Speaker 1: a really great record. They've been telling me it's classic,
Speaker 1: but y'all fucked it up for me when I got
Speaker 1: three million people like viewing the tweet saying everybody got
Speaker 1: four classics, so I'm like them now, I can't respect
Speaker 1: your fucking opinion on saying my album is a classic classic.
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't listen to enough. That's like asking
Speaker 1: me if Tim Duncan has a good game.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 1: I've never really paid.
Speaker 2: His fifth best player ever.
Speaker 1: I think in in the top five too, but I
Speaker 1: just never watched the games, Like, I can't go back
Speaker 1: to a moment I ever saw Tim Duncan was like man,
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan in that moment.
Speaker 2: Well, he was cooking the suns in the playoffs my
Speaker 2: whole life. So I've seen him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and That's how I feel about j Cole Like
Speaker 1: unless you watch who he playing again, so you're watching
Speaker 1: his career, you really he don't have moments that jump.
Speaker 2: Off who higher Kobe or Duncan Duncan Duncan as an
Speaker 2: la nigga too, no ship All right, that's want to
Speaker 2: make sure you're reasonable.
Speaker 1: I'm fair, you are fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, top five guys, top number five, best power for whatever.
Speaker 1: Only I'll say I wouldn't even I wouldn't even put
Speaker 1: one through five. This is just the best five player
Speaker 1: because it's five people on the court, so it don't
Speaker 1: matter who first or fifth, they just all the same.
Speaker 1: That's fair magic Michael Jordan, Lebron, James, Tim Duncan, Bill.
Speaker 2: Russell, I think he could be Korean?
Speaker 1: All right, poor, how are you gonna do this year? No,
Speaker 1: Shack is not the top ten, but shout out to
Speaker 1: show no say nine, No, nah, I've always struggled with
Speaker 1: Shack between fifteen and twenty five.
Speaker 2: You don't think with Shack is tough as that like eleven.
Speaker 1: Through twenty five, Shack could be anywhere because even as
Speaker 1: a sinner like I'm not sure like I wanted some
Speaker 1: days put him above logic.
Speaker 2: But he got cooked up by a team in the finals.
Speaker 1: Ye. And then do I put him over Wilt Chamberlain?
Speaker 2: Yes, really yeah for VP two championship hundred point games,
Speaker 2: then Ventner of the big It's just it's just either way.
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a top five. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: he's three to five like you said, it's like three
Speaker 1: to five. He not Kareem or he's not Bill Russell.
Speaker 2: That's fair. He's not Kareem. He's not Bill Russell.
Speaker 1: And that's how I start doing my ship that position,
Speaker 1: someone who I.
Speaker 2: Hate that's starting to get forced themselves into these discussions unfortunately.
Speaker 2: And Steph Curry's yeah, he's for short top ten. Now
Speaker 2: he's getting there. He's there. Now he's there.
Speaker 1: He's the second, he's the second best point guard clearly ever.
Speaker 1: Magic Steph Zeke No, Magic, Steph Oscar Yes, Zeke No,
Speaker 1: he is like six. I'm gonna this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: blast missing. This is probably my worst take. I'm going
Speaker 1: Tony Parker over Zeke.
Speaker 2: Fuck out of here. Okay, that's your worst tae. At
Speaker 2: least you acknowledge it to be your worst take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably my worst take.
Speaker 2: It's Chris Paul top five PG. Ever No is he
Speaker 2: six seven? No? Really he's ten. No, he's top ten.
Speaker 1: No, you're crazy, top eleven through fifteen. I'm going Gary
Speaker 1: Payton over him. I'm going Dennis Johnson from Counting over
Speaker 1: You're fucking crazy. I'm going Jason Kidd over him.
Speaker 2: Fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm going John Stockton over him.
Speaker 2: That's a fair, that's fair. You were You wouldn't putt
Speaker 2: Nash over Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm putting Nash over Paul two MVP.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Nammy just was nasty. So is Paul.
Speaker 1: Paul is fantastic. But you gotta do something with it.
Speaker 1: You gotta go, you gotta you gotta get there.
Speaker 2: He went, No, he never went. He went to the
Speaker 2: finals and played the Bucks. Did he play? Yes?
Speaker 1: I could have swore he was. Well, I guess that's
Speaker 1: not bad. Yeah, I gotta look at that.
Speaker 2: He played the whole series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still like a putting. He probably eleven.
Speaker 2: Son Son's winning the finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. No, this is the one play defense.
Speaker 2: Everybody we got Vogel. Vogel make him play. One of
Speaker 2: the most underrated coaches ever.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm not mad. At that, but he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: make them play no defense. Yeah, you gotta have some defense.
Speaker 2: I do like this year because there's no clear cut.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of unknown. The disrespect to Denver is
Speaker 2: just other worldly.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot bringing the same team. No, they
Speaker 1: lost Bruce Brown, not Bruce Bowen right now, Bruce Bawn
Speaker 1: played for the Bruce Brown.
Speaker 2: They lost Bruce Brown. Really, they lost Jeff Green really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get what I'm saying right right, like Denver,
Speaker 1: that would love.
Speaker 2: Lakers probably had the best offseason, No or the Suns.
Speaker 1: Son's probably Boston Pa get the best roster, probably Boston.
Speaker 1: Boston got the unicorn.
Speaker 2: And they got Drew Yea.
Speaker 1: The thing is they got you out of there, so
Speaker 1: they often got better.
Speaker 2: I just see the dope.
Speaker 1: Memphis is a sleeper.
Speaker 2: No they're not.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, getting Marcus Moore in the backcourt and having.
Speaker 2: J JJ's Jared Jackson Junior is going to be out
Speaker 2: for three to five months. He got a surgery last week.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then John Moran can't play for
Speaker 2: how many games? Yeah, but if they hold on, they
Speaker 2: won't now, not without Jared Jackson. They coach will I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm telling you you gotta watch them
Speaker 1: because they scrappy bunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. John Moran's the fucking off, but he figured out
Speaker 2: he'd be all right now. I don't know what's wrong.
Speaker 2: I like this season because it's the most It's just
Speaker 2: a lot of unknowns said.
Speaker 1: We just disrespected Denver, and I'm not gonna dispect Denver.
Speaker 2: So Denver is the well. I always say this as
Speaker 2: I see that the rosters currently Denver has the best player.
Speaker 2: The Lakers have the best roster. All right, the podcast
Speaker 2: is over this. Niggas the top the bottom, and the
Speaker 2: Sun's got and the Suns. The Sun's got the Laker,
Speaker 2: the Lakers rosters.
Speaker 1: Fucking sex man is the loser, though, Dog, you stop.
Speaker 1: This is what happens.
Speaker 2: It's like when you podcast too long. What do they
Speaker 2: call that? Like you walk across the des Yeah. I
Speaker 2: never start to put it on videos. Sucking around, man,
Speaker 2: I gotta get some help. That's some ship. Stop sucking around. Stop.
Speaker 2: No one knows about your podcast because it's audio only.
Speaker 1: I have I do like twenty thousand downloads a week.
Speaker 4: You should be doing one hundred thousand views. If I
Speaker 4: get videos to do it. It's not you need people
Speaker 4: to do it like that guy matters. You need one guy,
Speaker 4: his life matters.
Speaker 1: I need I don't have that one guy is Who
Speaker 1: the fuck is that one? Someone in fucking Palmdale waiting
Speaker 1: for you to hire that No, then, I've never seen him.
Speaker 1: I don't know him. You gotta go video, I know,
Speaker 1: but you gotta have somebody like that guy back there.
Speaker 2: What's the name of the podcast?
Speaker 1: People go, no selling.
Speaker 2: People can listen to it because they can't watch it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a real podcast. It's not a YouTube show.
Speaker 1: Tarlam get it.
Speaker 2: Don't let Trailermane's narrative about YouTube not mattering in your head.
Speaker 2: We just say YouTube don't matter. But a podcast is
Speaker 2: what you hear? Yeah, well listen, get on YouTube. Jim alone,
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 1: I gotta find you somebody.
Speaker 2: You've been telling me this. This is your second guy
Speaker 2: like this third.
Speaker 1: See you just find these niggas that just because you
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, all these dolls are just around the corner.
Speaker 2: People are from Arizona that you meant see.
Speaker 1: That's even that's like some of the talented Joker is
Speaker 1: one of the talented people I know is from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that guy.
Speaker 1: It's incredible what happened to him? He's still making music
Speaker 1: and his face. Yes, he's a Juggal. You know he
Speaker 1: shot Tupac must Die.
Speaker 2: Is he a Juggalo? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you know he's not a Joe. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: consider himself a j well.
Speaker 2: Obviously because he is a jug Yes, I mean, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be painting his face with one rice p, that's true.
Speaker 1: But he's like probably the most talented person I know,
Speaker 1: and he's from fucking Arizona. I don't know why Arizona
Speaker 1: is just hot bed for talent, but shit is not happening.
Speaker 1: I think y'all.
Speaker 2: Gatekeepers are just bad, and I think you're a gatekeeper.
Speaker 2: I'll be trying.
Speaker 1: You gotta really put on trying. See, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta bear the burden of Phoenix, Arizona
Speaker 1: and the cultures of all the surrounding cities.
Speaker 2: That's your responsibility. You gotta put on to try. They
Speaker 2: all come up here there, rap, I give them interviews.
Speaker 2: I do my best to push do I helped I
Speaker 2: helped my boy get on sway. Uh, I try. You
Speaker 2: gotta do more.
Speaker 1: This is the point of being a hip hop person.
Speaker 1: You gotta carry the burden of Arizona culture. There are
Speaker 1: some dope a z rappers, so it's dope azy everything
Speaker 1: as got some real talent.
Speaker 2: That's moving there.
Speaker 1: I own the dope club there. I know because you
Speaker 1: have you're smart fucking as go up.
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