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Speaker 1: the way, I'm very excited about today's guest, because who

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Speaker 1: better to be talking running back with then Graham Barfield,

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Speaker 1: the co owner of Fantasy Points dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: founder of Yards Created. Graham, thanks so much for giing us, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, man. This is always fun.

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Speaker 2: I think we did this a couple of years in

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when just like reading through nothing but fifty

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with that and said enough Dwayne Haskins talk.

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Speaker 1: We got to get to the moneys, the fantasy money makers,

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Speaker 1: and that is the running back position. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: Who I got to ask you, who is the the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not getting any injured discount for good reason, man.

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Speaker 2: There's just so much like margin of safety with with

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Speaker 1: I mean, nobody predicts regression better than you do. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I agree with Graham. I think Christ

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Speaker 3: mccaffreys is a slam dunk at number one.

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Speaker 3: I'm not concerned. I know you're trying to throw out

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Speaker 3: But you know, we saw even though he was only

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Speaker 3: he just had a monster season in those three games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because I don't know if it's maybe

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Speaker 1: kind of diversify a little bit because you're always taking

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey was the most durable back heading into last year

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Speaker 3: that point. Just because you take McCaffrey first doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: So it is a way to kind of diverse cite

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Speaker 3: exactly what you're saying, where you know, if I have

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Speaker 3: So I agree with your logic there, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: Him after number one. If you catch me in the

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Speaker 1: right draft, you could get McCaffrey second. Right. No, but no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a big tear drop off. I

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Speaker 2: So if you look at just kind of like ceiling games,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Sean, you know you're the one that kind

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Speaker 3: I do think, you know, Cook's sort of in a

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Speaker 3: there's you mentioned, you know, the only knock we've had

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Speaker 3: He's just a slam dunk pick. And the Vikings defense

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Speaker 3: But I think we've still got to see Cook's best season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Dalvin Cook is like when I projected out,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why I actually have a close between

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Speaker 1: But with Sean, I mean, am I crazy for thinking

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Speaker 3: give him the ball. So you know, I'm with you, guys.

430
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 3: I'm willing to overlook those small sample sizes where Kamara

431
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: wasn't as good with out Breeze. But at the end

432
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 3: of the day, I'm still leaning towards Derrick Henry in

433
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 3: this range.

434
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plant my flag on this one. I'm gonna

435
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: say that I don't think there's gonna be any issue

436
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: with Kamara. I think the issue with Breeze and and

437
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: Kamara's downturn is kind of simple, the same thing you

438
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: saw with when Taysom Hill took over. It's that when

439
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: like usually it's like, Okay, now Breeze is not here.

440
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: Now a star is not here, so you use Kamara

441
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: as the decoy. But like now, it's just such a

442
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: different situation that like you have no choice but to

443
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: build the whole offense around Kamara. It's not like you

444
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: have like, okay, you could go like Bridgewater to Michael Thomas,

445
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: because even like you know, Thomas is out halfy. It's

446
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: just like this is the offense. So I'm gonna say,

447
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara beats out Derreck Henry this year. I'm gonna say,

448
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: and let's remember when Christian mccavry got hurt last year,

449
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: who finished number one in PPR points Alvin Kamara. So

450
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: I love me some Kamara this year, but let's go

451
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: to let's talk to Henry because he's another guy. I mean,

452
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: I almost can't help feeling more confident in taking Derrick

453
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: Henry than any other running back, Like it just doesn't

454
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 1: feel like he's ever gonna get injured. He has these

455
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: massive ceilings. Like even watching him, he's the only guy

456
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: I think I've ever watched that you just don't even

457
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to get tackled. I mean, Graham,

458
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's just guys just like a

459
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: freaking nature. Like, what are your thoughts on him? How

460
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: high would you take him?

461
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so last year I had Henry as high as

462
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: like two this year, I've been taking him as high

463
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 2: as two. But really I think there is a difference

464
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: between Kamara and Henry now that with the Michael Thomas news,

465
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, I think, and that's I'm kind of using

466
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 2: that as like the deciding factor of like, Okay, this

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: splits Kamara and Henry, because yeah, like you mentioned, man,

468
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: this the upside and this consistency with Kamara is a

469
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: little bit higher than Henry because Henry it's kind of

470
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: like Dalvin Cook in the sense that he's game script dependent.

471
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: I pulled this up and his thirty eight starts since

472
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 2: you know, the back half of that twenty eighteen season

473
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: when they finally gave him, gave him the starting role

474
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: over Deon Lewis. In those thirty eight starts, Henry has

475
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: averaged twenty four point three Fantasy points per game and

476
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty yards rushing per game and the

477
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: Titans twenty four wins, but that dips to twelve point

478
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: two Fantasy points per game and just about seventy five

479
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: rushing yards per game and their losses, so huge, huge

480
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: splits for Henry. I don't think the Titans are going

481
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: to have like too much of regression in terms of

482
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: just like the win department, they still should be in

483
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: that like nine to ten eleven pocket with the extra game,

484
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: especially considering the Colts, Man, poor Colts, They're just falling

485
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: apart here. I mean that AFC South is going to

486
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: get really thin, really quickly, especially with uh, the you know,

487
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson situation up in the air. Titans are heavy

488
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: favorites for the AFC South again with all of that news,

489
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, Henry's floor is just a little bit lower

490
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: than Kamara and Cooks because cook and Kamar obviously have

491
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: that passing down juice. But yeah, Henry Man, I'm I've

492
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: rectified all of my Henry fading from you know, a

493
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Like I was completely out in

494
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. I had a little bit of him in

495
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and then I went all in last year,

496
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm back to taking a lot of Henry

497
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: in that three four hole when you know the board

498
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: falls that way.

499
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: So if you know, like can you speak on the like,

500
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: I know people are going to kind of bring up

501
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: the what is it like the curse of three fifty

502
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: or something, because Henry did carry about three hundred and

503
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: seventy eight times, Like, is this something we think he

504
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: I count? I guess the question is not like again,

505
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: you can't predict injuries, but just how much longer can

506
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: he do this? No, It's it's true.

507
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: I mean he did this. Man. I'm from Jacksonville. I

508
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: went to high school, in middle school and college in Jacksonville.

509
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: When I was in high school, Dereck Henry was at

510
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Yuli and he was carrying the ball thirty five freaking

511
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: times a game for like three hundred yards. So he's

512
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: been doing this since he was like eighteen years old.

513
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: So I hear you that wear and tear is definitely

514
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: going to catch up with him. But every turn of

515
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: Henry's career, from high school to college and now in

516
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: the NFL, he's been an outlier man and.

517
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: The dude like that.

518
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: You just don't see six two to forty five backs

519
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: doing the the stuff he does. So yeah, man, you

520
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: know I think that Cliff, like, if we're talking Dynasty,

521
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: I would probably be looking to sell high on Henry,

522
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: But for this year, I still think he's just like

523
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: locked and loaded into like one of the most valuable roles.

524
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: In fantasy and and Sean any any notes on how

525
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: you're projecting, how your projections of Henry Minter changed with

526
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: the changeing offensive coordinator, with you know, obviously Arthur Smith

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: going to the Falcons and then them bringing in Julio Jones.

528
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the Julio Jones trade should only

529
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: help Henry. It's gonna be even tougher for defenses to

530
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: really worry about stopping Henry. If anything, they'll just let

531
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: Henry run wild and make sure that Julio and AJ

532
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 3: Brown can't beat them. But you know, I have, you know,

533
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: been consistently ahead of adp on Derek Kennedy the past

534
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: few seasons, and sadly, I'm in line I have him

535
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: the third overall. But you know, you can never go

536
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: wrong with Henry. You even mentioned it, like he's the

537
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: most likely running back to play all seventeen games. I mean,

538
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: just look at him. He's He's a beast. I think

539
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna get one more three hundred plus carry season

540
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: out of Henry. I think they actually have the third

541
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: easiest strength of schedule now after factoring in the Carson

542
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Wentz news, So I think he's gonna have a really

543
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: good schedule. And you know, he always tends to peak

544
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: at the best time of the year, you know, end

545
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: of the season, when defenses are worn down. He usually

546
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: gets to fix the Jaguars and runs all over them.

547
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: So he's usually a fantasy playoff, you.

548
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Know, league winner.

549
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: So that's why I always love getting Henry. He always

550
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: peaks at the right time.

551
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean everyone will remember. It started late

552
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: in that twenty eighteen season. I think he had like,

553
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: what like a couple of two hundred yard games. He

554
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: threw the Jaguars whole team off of him on like

555
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: a Thursday night, like it was.

556
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: Just Jacks fans don't want to talk about this. Christ

557
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: I do not want to talk about this right now.

558
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: Oh man, I wish I knew you were a a

559
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Jack fan. I would have I would have rocked my

560
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: I got the Fred Taylor the uh.

561
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Oh, Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones drew. A couple of

562
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: years they had that duo was unbelievable. I'm a huge

563
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: front tea guy. I love Jimmy Smith too, He's on

564
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: a couple of those.

565
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. They had the Smith and Meccardo at wide receiver. Yeah,

566
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: they had some dudes, man.

567
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm a I'm a it's been a it's

568
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: been a rough fifteen years as a Jackson. There's been

569
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: some very very highs and some very very lows. But yeah,

570
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: that Henry moment was certainly one of the lows.

571
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: Speaking of of rough you know spans for a franchises,

572
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: you know about a decade ago, decade and a half,

573
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good, a couple of Super Bowl rings, but

574
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it's been a struggle ever since. And Sekuon Barkley, who's

575
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: essentially the franchise now, you know, they you know, they

576
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: move on from Odell Beckham. You know, quarterbacks still young.

577
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: This guy's the franchise. But it's been a rocky last

578
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: couple of years for him, for the franchise and for

579
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: his fantasy owners. Over the past two seasons, Barkley has

580
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: had games of twenty eight yards on four carries which

581
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: he gets hurt, fifteen carries for six yards, thirteen carries

582
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: for one yard, fourteen carries for twenty eight yards, and

583
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: another eight carry for ten yard game in which he

584
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: also got injured. None of those games did he score

585
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: a touchdown. So over the last two years, first of all,

586
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: he's missed more than half the games and then about

587
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: a third of the time. He's not just busting, he's

588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: absolutely killing fantasy owners. And yet he's still going fifth.

589
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Graham Am I am. I create like I'm a Giants fan,

590
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: and I don't even understand why, say, come on, bark

591
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: who's going fifth?

592
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, Man, and I'm with you. Like,

593
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, after the Big four, I think it kind

594
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: of falls off pretty quickly between you know, that top

595
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: four and then the next couple of tiers. And Barkley

596
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: is certainly like man, He's like the most contentious player

597
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: in the first like fifteen picks.

598
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: Now, like by far.

599
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: It really just comes down to your risk tolerance. And

600
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: for me, the way I like to build teams, like

601
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: I am drafting Adams, I'm drafting Hill. I like Kelsey

602
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: more than Barkley. So if I miss out on one

603
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: of those top four picks, I'm usually flipping back over

604
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: to like Adams, Hill or Kelsey in that range. That

605
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: being said, though, Barkley, Man, like, even if he starts slow,

606
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: you know, let's say he you know, misses week one

607
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: or week two, we don't really know at this point.

608
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: But even if he does on the worst end, Man, Barkley,

609
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen thirteen fourteen games with Barkley is still

610
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: well worth like a back half of the first round pick.

611
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: And as we know, you know, in terms of like

612
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: historical win rates, you know, the teams that get like

613
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: the first pick and the second pick have like nearly

614
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: double the chances of winning their league than you know,

615
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: a team in the back half of the first round.

616
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: And Barkley could be that like differentiator is like, Okay,

617
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: first couple of you know, first couple of weeks of

618
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: the year, I'm fine with sitting Barkley and waiting, waiting

619
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: on him. But once he gets going and he gets

620
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: back to his Barkley ways like that, that could really

621
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: pay off.

622
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, for me.

623
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: It's just you know, I like those receivers and Kelsey

624
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: just a little bit more in the mid range of

625
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: the first round.

626
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm I'm I'm pretty much on board. I

627
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: mean I think I would even go stronger, Like I

628
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: think Sequon Barkleek can lose you your league. Like I

629
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: don't think like because it's like I get, you know,

630
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: like going after a guy who's gonna be worth it.

631
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna put up some hundred yard games, but he's

632
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: going fifth right, so or even like I there's running

633
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: like I like the next handful of running backs after him, Shawn,

634
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, where are you with Saquon? Because I like

635
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: Johnathan Taylor more, you know, Chubb Jones. Like, there's so

636
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: many guys I feel better about than Barkley, and you know,

637
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I know we kind of project these things out and

638
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: he hasn't really ever reached that forty five yards per

639
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: game five point seven yards of catches per game, receiving

640
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: feeling that he did his rookie year either. So I mean,

641
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: where are you on Saquon? Yeah?

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: I think you said it well when he said, you

643
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: know he could he's more likely to lose you your league

644
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: than other guys in this range. And I think that's

645
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: what the first few rounds are about, right, Like there's

646
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: no reason to take risks early on. You know, we

647
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: already said that Derrick Henry is like the safest bet

648
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: of all time. But there are legit concerns when it

649
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: comes to Barkley. I mean, even his twenty nineteen season,

650
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: he was a huge disaplayment. Granted he was dealing with

651
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: that significant ankle injury, and then he kind of salvage

652
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: everyone's seasons. In Week fifteen and sixteen, he went off,

653
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: so you're gonna get that from him. But you don't

654
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: like a hot and cold type of player as your

655
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: first pick. So I've been passing on him unless he

656
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: falls outside of the top ten. I think at that

657
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: point he probably is worth the risk because he does

658
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: carry so much upside. I mean, he's one of the

659
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: most talented backs in the league. But you know, he's

660
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: playing behind arguably the worst offensive line, and I think

661
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: you know kaderas Tony's you know where he's going to

662
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: be on the field. I think he could eat into

663
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: his target share a bit if Jason Garrett knows what

664
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: he's doing. So there are a lot of reasons to,

665
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: you know, fade Saquon Barkley this year.

666
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: And it's easy.

667
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: You know, when he's being taken in the first six

668
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: or seven picks, it's very easy to fade him. For me,

669
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: he has to thoughts out of the.

670
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Top ten, Yeah, and just another guy who his rookie year,

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: where did you see him right near the top of

672
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: the league and such is and carries and all that stuff,

673
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's ever recovered, So like

674
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: I I mean, I would kind of have to. I

675
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's worth it because you say, okay, well

676
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: if he gives me, you know, good, say Quaner if

677
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: he's healthy for you know, twelve thirteen games or whatever,

678
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, five of his last fifteen games over the

679
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: past two seasons, he's gotten under thirty yards Russia, So

680
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee. And I agree. I think the

681
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: offensive line is still a big issue, a big question mark.

682
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: I think they have a lot of pass catchers to

683
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: where they don't need to feed them five six catches

684
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a game. They're not a high volume, you know, fast

685
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: team anyway, you know, under this new coaching regime. So

686
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't see it for Saquon. I actually

687
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: have him ranked tenth, so I am a lot lower

688
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: than than the market on Saquon. I just think there's

689
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: better ways to spend that pick at running back and

690
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: at other positions, as you said, Graham, So yeah, Saquon

691
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: is like the first guy. I'm really kind of like

692
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: full on avoiding you know, this high up the board.

693
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: But let's go on to you know, Jonathan Taylor entering

694
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: year two. You know, Sean, you just mentioned the codes

695
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: have just hit hard with the injury luck with you know,

696
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz going down now, he'll be out a while. So,

697
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Graham, is this because we know running backs

698
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of depending on volume anyway, Is this a good

699
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: thing for Taylor that like similar to Kamara in a

700
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: sense that he's gonna have to be the offense?

701
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So you know we've been talking about this.

702
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: All the guys that I've been talking about this is

703
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: going back and forth with Taylor. It's like, Yeah, on

704
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: the one hand, they're probably just gonna lead more run heavy.

705
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: That'll probably give you know, Taylor a few more carries,

706
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: maybe an extra catcher too. But on the flip side,

707
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: with no wins, I mean, we got to ding their

708
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: touchdown expectation. How efficient this offense is.

709
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Going to be.

710
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, not only is you know, were they banking

711
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: on went staying healthy. You know, Quentin Nelson's gonna miss

712
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: at least five weeks, could be up to twelve. Eric

713
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Fisher the guy that you know, their left tackle they

714
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: signed him from from the Chiefs. He tore his achilles

715
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: back in February. It's sounding like he's not going to

716
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 2: be ready until October. So you know they're not gonna

717
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: have their starting left tackle. They're not gonna have one

718
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: of the best guards, if not the best guard in football. Man,

719
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: I'm real concern. And like JT is not a player

720
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: like an Alvin Kamara or Christian McCaffrey where he's gonna

721
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: be gamescript independent, Taylor is very game script dependent. They're

722
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: gonna play Nahem Hines on passing downs. That's just something

723
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: frank right, because it has done for years now, and

724
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't really see any reason for that to change.

725
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: And Taylor just doesn't to me have as many outs

726
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: as like Kamara or Barkley or you know, even Aaron Jones.

727
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: You know, if you can guarantee me Barkley is going

728
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: to be back to near one hundred percent by week

729
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: three or four. I mean, we got to love the

730
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: target expectation for him. I've I warmed up to Jonathan Taylor.

731
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: It sucks because I warmed up to him in July

732
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: and then now I'm back down on him again with

733
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: just all these injuries. I think he's he's well behind

734
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: even guys like Aaron Jones in that range. And I

735
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: love like four or five six receivers out of him too.

736
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: Where are you on Taylor.

737
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could say Jonathan Taylor sucks,

738
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: but I agree with the sentiment that we should probably

739
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: fade him. You know, I have him as my running

740
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: back ten right now. He's obviously, you know, one of

741
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: the better running backs in the league. But as Gret mentioned,

742
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: he's he's game script dependent. You know, Nikeem Hines is

743
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: going to be their pass catching back, so if they

744
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: get in a trailing game script, that's going to hurt

745
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor really a lot more than running backs in

746
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: this range. And you know, at the end of last season,

747
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: the Colts went seven to two in their final nine

748
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: games with Taylor active, and they had a really soft schedule,

749
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: so we saw, you know, Jonathan Taylor's ceiling, which is great,

750
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: but we're not going to see that with Carson Wentz

751
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: on the shelf, with Quentin and Quentin Nelson on the shelf.

752
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: You know, Jonathan Taylor is going to struggle these first

753
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: few weeks. So I'm fading him completely. And I think

754
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: a guy like Clyde Edwards Hilaire, who we were drafting

755
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: above Taylor last year, he's in the almost the same

756
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: exact situation last year. I'm buying the dip on a

757
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: guy like Clyde Edwards in selling high Jonathan Taylor. So

758
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm getting very little shares of Taylor where he's going

759
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 3: right now.

760
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm conflicted, Like I think you guys are a

761
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: little more bearish on him than I am. Like I

762
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: do see like a silver lining with with the Wentz injury,

763
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: because I just think that it's you know, he's obviously

764
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: not the caliber of player that an Alvin Kamara is,

765
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: but I just think that Frank Reich is a pretty

766
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: i would say good offensive mind. I think the team

767
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: will still have a pretty solid defense. I think it's

768
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: a well coached team, a smart team that is going

769
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: to kind of realize what it has to do to win.

770
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: And I just think that there's a chance that like

771
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Taylor is just an absolute monster. I mean, like he's

772
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: not like a Christian McCaffrey level, because he's not gonna

773
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: get that much that many catches, but I could see them.

774
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: You know, he's had games where he's had you know,

775
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: fifty sixty you know, sixty five percent of routes run,

776
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're opposed to doing it. And

777
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I think I think you could really see that. So, like,

778
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: I think it is offset to some level with with

779
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: kind of this one's injury, and I'm like, I wouldn't

780
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: mind taking him and kind of seeing how that goes.

781
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's like, for example, I don't think

782
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: he's as big of a bust risk as Saquon by

783
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: any means. Like I think Saquon is a much huger

784
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: bust risk. I still think the coach, even with the

785
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: injuries at quarterback and at O line, they still they

786
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: could still have the same court, like a similar caliber

787
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: quarterback as the Giants, and a better old line than

788
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: the Giants. So I'm I'm on tailor over Saquon. But you, guys,

789
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: I guess you could tell me why I'm wrong.

790
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it's just a target upside man for

791
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: for Barkley, And I mean, we you know, if Taylor's

792
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: not in those positive game scripts, it's going to be

793
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a really up and down year for him.

794
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: And you know, you're starting off the year with you know,

795
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: two of your best offensive linemen and the guy you

796
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: were expecting to be you know, hopeful, hopefully an upgrade

797
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: on Philip Rivers at his highest Peak, But yeah, man,

798
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: I just I love I love the receivers that go

799
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: in the back half of the first round. You know,

800
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: I love Adams Hill, Ridley, I love Diggs. Yeah, I'm

801
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: drafting Hopkins, like I just I love that where you're

802
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: taking Taylor at this point, I'm just on the receivers.

803
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: That that I agree with, that I agree with, but

804
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: as a like, I'm just I'm down on Saquon. I

805
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: think I do think there's some massive ups thatt here

806
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: with Taylor, but I do agree. I think from a

807
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: team building perspective, it does make more sense to go

808
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver, to maybe get a Travis Kelcey, because there

809
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: are some guys going kind of at the back half

810
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: of the RB one tier and even into the start

811
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: of the RB two tier that we're going to get

812
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: to that I think going to be able to approximate

813
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: some of these guys usage, especially when you consider that

814
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: you can't predict injuries, and obviously the higher guy is drafted,

815
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the more he has to fall. So with that being said,

816
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: another disappointing guy, you know, kind of the theme you

817
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: know we've had, We've had Barkley, number five, Ezekiel Elliott

818
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: right there, with him. As you know, people that drafted

819
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: Zeke weren't exactly happy last year. The old line was

820
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: in shambles. Dak Prescott goes down pretty early on in

821
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the season. So Graham is Dak returning and the old

822
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: line at least a little bit healthier. Is that kind

823
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: of the cure all for getting Zeke back to being Zeke?

824
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: And also we've heard some reports that the receiving usage

825
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: maybe scale back a little bit in favor of Tony Pollard.

826
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: But so is this I guess is this a good thing?

827
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Can Zeke be Zeke again in twenty twenty one?

828
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like you mentioned, I mean, everything went wrong

829
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: last year for Dallas man it was you know, not

830
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: only just Dak. I mean they were down to like

831
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: their third string right tackle by the middle of the year,

832
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: and then Zeke had a bunch of injuries of his own.

833
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: Middle year, he heard his hamstring and his calf. But

834
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: before that, before he started, you know, kind of popping

835
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: up on the injury report, and then he missed a

836
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: game down the stretch. Before that, he was still getting

837
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: the same exact role we know Ezekiel Elliott can perform

838
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: in in those eight games before he popped up on

839
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: the injury report. Zeke was on the field on eighty

840
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: percent of his snaps. That's, you know, second only to

841
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. He got twenty or more touches in seven

842
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: of eight games, and he was leading the league and

843
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: carries inside the five yard line. And that was with

844
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: Dak being down. I mean, you know they not only

845
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: was Dallas like top five, top six and red zone

846
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: drives per game. You know, even without Dak, they were

847
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: just you know, funneling the ball to Zeke when they

848
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: got in close. And you know, like you mentioned Man,

849
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: like you know, efficiency for backs really doesn't matter all

850
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: that much. You know, Zeke's efficient efficiency was like, you know,

851
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: career worse last year. But I mean, if we if

852
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: we're expecting to go back into that same role that

853
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: he had before he got hurt, I think there's a

854
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: legitimate chance that z can kind of push for like

855
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: top three numbers up there with Kamara, Cook and Henry

856
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: and you know, especially if this Dallas team kind of

857
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: continues the same pace that they were on, not even

858
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: continues the same pace, but like Stay's like seventy five

859
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: to eighty percent of the pace they were on before

860
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: Dak got hurt, like, Zeke has ten twelve touchdown upside

861
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: in his range of outcomes. So yeah, man, I love Zeke.

862
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: I've been taking him as early as five, and yeah,

863
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: I think he's like right in that conversation with you know,

864
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: Adams and Hill and Kelsey. I mean, just think about it.

865
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: In years past, man, we were taking in Zeke's you know,

866
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: second third overall, and now you're getting a nice little

867
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: discount on pretty much the best situation you know, on paper,

868
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: that he's had going into a season. It's just that

869
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: he's older now and people think he's washed for some reason.

870
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: No, I mean, efficiency doesn't matter, but shirtless photos, ripped

871
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: shirtless photos, those definitely matter. And I think I've seen

872
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: a few floating around on the internet. You know, Zeke,

873
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he was too happy about how last

874
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: season went down. So I mean, Sean, just I just

875
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: put Zeke in the category of another guy that I

876
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: think people should be taken over Saquon Bark Oh. Yeah, absolutely.

877
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of disappointing we don't get like

878
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: a discount on him, you know, based on last season.

879
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: But I have him fifth in my rankings right now.

880
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: And you know, with you know, Dak al of lineup

881
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: and the offensive line had a ton of injuries. We

882
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: saw you know, Zeke's floor last year, but weeks went

883
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: through four, when Dak was healthy, Zeke was the RB four.

884
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: He's still a high end, elite fantasy asset. And you know,

885
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: one thing that I think we should expect this year

886
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: is significant positive touchdown regression. Graham mentioning he led the

887
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: league with rush attempts inside the five to twenty six

888
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: last year, but only scored five touchdowns on those. Normally,

889
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: you'd expect, you know, your average running back to convert

890
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: those about forty two percent of the time. So that's

891
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: five to six extra touchdowns he should get. Just I mean,

892
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: he's an above average goaling back. But that's that's why

893
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: I'm projecting him for over ten touchdowns this year and

894
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: why I think he should still be a top five

895
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: running back.

896
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just everything went wrong, you know, Grahama,

897
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I mean, you lose your center, you

898
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: lose your quarterback, you lose your tight end early, and

899
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: you're just like everything kind of conspired to where defenses

900
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: could really focus on taking away Zeke and not letting

901
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: him beat them when it mattered most, and that's why

902
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: you know the receivers are putting up great numbers and

903
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: you know the passing game was humming. But I do

904
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: think we'll see a turnaround for Zeke this year, and

905
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: even even you know, I know he's on the older side,

906
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: but like I've seen him going I think way too

907
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: low in like dynasty leagues, Like I think if you're

908
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: in win now mode and like you can like this guy,

909
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: I think has another couple of years in him, and

910
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think his price is reflective of that

911
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: of that cost, so maybe that actually made where you

912
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: get a bigger discount. Ironically, but going eighth is Nick

913
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Chubb and Nick Chubb. It's so weird because it's like

914
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I feel like there are two kinds of fantasy drafts.

915
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: There's it's like you're either really excited to take Nick

916
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: Chubb or you're not at all excited to take Nick Chubb,

917
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: but you're still gonna do it because you know he's

918
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna ball. So I Graham, I mean which one of you?

919
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he's on that like Derrick Henry spectrum of

920
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: like just being outliers in terms of role, in terms

921
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: of passing down usage and all of that. But man,

922
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: the biggest thing for Chubb is like just how much

923
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 2: Hunt's gonna play Because last year, you know, Hunt Chubb

924
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: kind of split passing down snaps, like almost right down

925
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: the middle when Chubb came back from that knee injury.

926
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: So that was great to see Chubb finally getting a

927
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: couple more passing down snaps. But on the flip side,

928
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: they both split inside the five carries, Hunt had nine

929
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: to Chubb's eight over the final ten games or so.

930
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, I think I think Chubb is just

931
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: naturally capped and kind of like that. You know, he

932
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: doesn't have RB five, you know, R before upside, but

933
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: his floor is just so so safe, and I get

934
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: the appeal of that, you know, I get the appeal

935
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: of safety in the back half of the first round.

936
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm conflicted on Hubb because, like I said earlier, I

937
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: like those receivers more in that range. I think they

938
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: have more ceiling potential. But I mean, there's no doubt

939
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: that Chubb's floor is is really safe, and it's kind

940
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: of like I said, it's kind of on that Derek

941
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Hendry spectrum.

942
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's He's never the sexiest pick. But but Sean,

943
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: I know you you've kind of talked him up in

944
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: years past. Where are you on Nick Chubb this year? Yeah?

945
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: I think he's He's one of the safest bets. You know,

946
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: really high floor, maybe a lower ceiling than you'd like

947
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 3: in this range. But again, you're trying not to lose

948
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: your draft in the first couple rounds, So Chuff Chubb

949
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: is a very safe pick. You know, he's probably the

950
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: best peer runner in the NFL. Next Gen stats tracks

951
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: how many yards you would expect a running back to

952
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: get for every play, gauging where blockers defenders are, and

953
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb has ranked second, second, and first in that

954
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: stat in his first three seasons. So you know, I'm

955
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: more than willing to project you know, the maximum efficiency

956
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: for him again heading into this year. But as Graham mentioned,

957
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: cream Hunt does cap his upside. We only saw Chubb

958
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: rush for twenty or more times twice last year, so

959
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of need him to be efficient.

960
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: But one of the things that people don't really talk

961
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: about is, I mean, we talked about cream Hunt's upside

962
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: if Chubb were to ever miss time, but Chubb's one

963
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: of the rare top ten running backs where he will

964
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: absolutely get a boost if his backup wherever to miss time.

965
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: And I mean, where would you guys have Chub ranked

966
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: if Kareem Hunts ever out? Top three, top four. So

967
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: I think Chubb's upside is sort of the injury risk

968
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: with cream Hunt. So he kind of has that built

969
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: in upside that I don't think enough people give him

970
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: credit for. So I'm fine taking him, you know, eight

971
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: or ninth running back off the board.

972
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not always sexy until you watch him run

973
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: and then he just I mean, it's it's a thing

974
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: of beauty. And I think the Browns deep for what

975
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: it's worth, will be really good, which is good for

976
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: the game scripts. Like you know, Kareem Hunt is a

977
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: guy you would think we'll get it on more pass downs.

978
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: But I really don't foresee the Browns face planning. Although

979
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: famous last words, but I think it's gonna actually be

980
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good team and they're gonna have a lot

981
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: of weads. So let's move on to Austin Ecker going

982
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: at number nine. This is one that's really interesting to

983
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: me because he's a guy that I don't know if

984
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: I like drafting him. I do like having like acquiring him.

985
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I do like playing him in DFS in certain spots,

986
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: but you know, he's a guy I don't know if

987
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: he can if he's really built to withstand a full

988
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: season of punishment. The last three years one hundred six carries,

989
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty two and one hundred and sixteen, So

990
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: is his career high is still one hundred thirty two carries. Obviously,

991
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: you know he could catch the ball. He had ninety

992
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: two receptions a couple of years go. But I just

993
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: don't know if he really has that three hundred touch

994
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: upside over a full season. It's just you know, he's

995
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: gonna be great in the games where he's healthy and

996
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: he's good, and he's gonna rack up the catches. But

997
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Graham, what are you doing with Ekler in

998
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: the top ten here?

999
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1000
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean he's been a guy that's been sliding up

1001
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: all summer.

1002
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: Man.

1003
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 2: I mean in May, he was going to like mid

1004
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: second round. You can get him in the mid second

1005
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: round usually in the early second now man, because of

1006
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: no cam akers. Yeah, he's just slid into that, like

1007
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, top eight, top ten, locked in first drund pick,

1008
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: and I think the thing is he's just appropriately priced.

1009
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: You know, you know, last year in the games that

1010
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: Echeler was healthy and he started with Justin Herbert, he

1011
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: actually overs more receiving fantasy points per game than Alvin

1012
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: Kamara did on the full season. I mean, just the

1013
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: receiving role is fantastic. Their new OC Joe Lombardi. He

1014
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: has a very mixed track record as as a play

1015
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: caller back in twenty fourteen and fifteen with the Lions,

1016
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: but you know he had Joike Bell and Reggie Bush

1017
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen and those backs led the league in targets.

1018
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, just based on the personnel

1019
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: that the Chargers already have and Lombardi's history, Eckler's receiving

1020
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: floor is just so safe. But man, this comes down

1021
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: to something you know that's been a bugaboo for Ekler

1022
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: his whole career, is like are they going to let

1023
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: him score rushing touchdowns? And like, you know, I've been

1024
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: back and forth with with Rich Freebar about this too,

1025
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: just talking about it. It's just like he is just

1026
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: so you know, we so desperately want, yeah, clear to

1027
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: have like that top five ceiling, but man, those the

1028
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: lack of touchdown upside really hurts him. I think he's

1029
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: kind of in that Chubb conversation just for different reasons

1030
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: that he in terms of like margin of safety in

1031
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: the back half of the first round. I'm just really

1032
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: hoping that we don't see like Joshua Kelly and Larry

1033
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: Rowntree combined for like eight rushing touchdowns. I hope they

1034
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: give Eckler some some more, some more love and close.

1035
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: But that's the one thing his profile that's lacking.

1036
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: When I look at Eckler in that spot, it's just

1037
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I see a guy going after him. Who you know,

1038
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: I think you know, he was kind of polarizing last year,

1039
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: and Sean, I think you guy and Friedman argued about this.

1040
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: But Aaron Jones, I mean, here's a guy that's gonna

1041
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: score touchdowns, and I like Aaron Jones over Ekler, even

1042
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: though I know Eckwer's got more receiving upside. But I

1043
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: just think that the Green Bay loves Aaron Jones. Jamal

1044
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: Williams is gone, so it's Dylan in that role, but

1045
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more Aaron Jones. Sean, where

1046
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: are you on Jones this year? Yeah?

1047
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: I love Jones I'm taking him over Eckler and another

1048
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: guy that I would take over, Saquon Barkley. I just

1049
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: think after the Aaron Rodgers clarity, there's no reason that

1050
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones shouldn't be in the top six right now.

1051
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, he has that massive upside. No, I'm

1052
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: not going to debate you this time about AJ Dillon

1053
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: siphoning a couple goal line touchdowns. I'm with you here.

1054
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: He's he's such a good goal line back that you

1055
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: know AJ Dillon if anything's going to be a change

1056
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: of paceback or a handcuff, you know, high upside handcuff.

1057
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: But this is Aaron Jones backfield. And with no Jamal Williams,

1058
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, we could see Aaron Jones easily surpass fifty

1059
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: receptions for the first time in his career. I think

1060
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: he'll be more of a bell cut back than we've

1061
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: seen in the past with him and with Aaron Jones

1062
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: returning to Green Bay, he has that massive touchout side.

1063
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: I love him as a top six option. You can

1064
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: get a much later still.

1065
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like this is a guy who I think is

1066
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: kind of criminally undervalued. I mean, it used to be

1067
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers was like the NFL's red zone guy,

1068
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Like that was the guy that if you needed a

1069
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: touchdown the red zone, it was Aaron Rodgers whoever he

1070
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: was gonna throw to, whether it was Nelson Cobb, but

1071
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: like now the Packers run through Aaron Jones in the

1072
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: red zone and and you know it's just he's that's

1073
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: what he's good at. So like I get it. You know,

1074
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: some people may be worried about Dylan because he's a

1075
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: bigger body guy, but the bottom line is Aaron Jones

1076
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: is just really a good runner, especially in that area

1077
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: of the field and just over I mean he's right

1078
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: there with Nick Chubb if you're talking about some of

1079
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: the best runners in the game. I mean five point

1080
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: two yards per carry for his career on six hundred

1081
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: and fifty one rushes five point five, five point five,

1082
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: four point six and then five point five again in

1083
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: his four professional seasons, so and not too much tread

1084
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: on the tires, Like he still could post his career

1085
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: high this season could be his career high and carries

1086
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: it was two years ago at two hundred and thirty six.

1087
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: So I like Aaron Jones a lot. And yeah, he's

1088
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: a guy that he pushes top five in my runner

1089
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: back projections for sure, And to that point about AJ

1090
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: Dillon and taking goal on work, Jones can offset that

1091
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: with no Jamal Williams.

1092
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: Williams didn't get a lot of targets last year, but

1093
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: he played a lot of passing down snaps, and AJ Dillon,

1094
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: even dating back to his days in Boston College, he's

1095
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: never been a good pass catcher, even if we just

1096
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: account for Okay, you know, AJ Dillon gets a few

1097
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: more goaling carries, he gets a couple more early down carries.

1098
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: Like those targets that Jones is gonna get in the

1099
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: passing game are two to three four times more valuable

1100
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: than those carriers that he's losing. So yeah, I absolutely

1101
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: love Aaron Jones this year. Man. I have so much

1102
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 2: of him in the second round before the Rogers news came.

1103
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm a happy man stacking my money over here.

1104
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: In my projections, he's fifth at running back, which you know,

1105
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously that's because of Rogers and

1106
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: you're the Green Bay. Touchdown expectation increases, but like that's

1107
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: not even with Aaron Jones getting like, you know, three

1108
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: hundred carries or anything, So like he's got some upside.

1109
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: He's got a pretty safe floor. I love Aaron Jones,

1110
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: and like he might be that new like Nick Chubb,

1111
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: and he's going even later than Chrubb. So you know,

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00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: if you're kind of unsure about Shubb and you maybe

1113
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: maybe you're at the turn or something, you can get

1114
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: Jones a couple picks later. I think you do it.

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Speaker 1: Najie Harris. He's going He's up to eleventh and obviously

1146
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: there's been some injuries. Cam akers of course going down.

1147
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: But I look at Naji Harris and then I look

1148
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: at some of the other guys that one at least

1149
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: one of us, if not all of us, have kind

1150
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: of expressed some concerns about like, Okay, maybe Jonathan Taylor,

1151
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't get quite the usage we want to,

1152
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, the offense struggles, you know, Nick Chubb, maybe

1153
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: his upside the middle cap Sakuon Bark We obviously there's

1154
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot of risk there at the O line, Austin Eckler,

1155
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: will we score touchdowns? I look at Naji Harris and

1156
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: I think, like I mean, and Graham, I'm interested to

1157
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: hear what you think about like the actual talent, and

1158
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, he's a certain kind of back, but just

1159
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: I think the work, what he's gonna get is gonna

1160
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: be it probably as good as you can get. Because

1161
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: like I look at the rest of the Steelers' backfield,

1162
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: I like, there's not even a guy that I can

1163
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: project to make the final roster outside of Naji Harris

1164
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: in that backfield. So what do you think of his

1165
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: Like what do you think of him as a back? Though?

1166
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: That's my first question.

1167
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was blown away with how good and

1168
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: nimble of a route runner. Najie Harris was watching all

1169
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: of his passing down snaps last year. Man, like, you know,

1170
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: he's got a similar frame to Derek Henry, but he's

1171
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: got like the grace and the movement ability of like

1172
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: Le'Veon Bell in his prime, like he is. He was

1173
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: such a phenomenal route runner. And they would do fun,

1174
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: like fun stuff with him too. Man, Like they would

1175
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: run you know, these mesh concepts and Henry would be

1176
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: the guy, or not Henry, but but Harris would be

1177
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: the guy, you know, clear out the linebackers and the

1178
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: safeties at the second level to get you know, to

1179
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: get to get the ball to DeVonta Smith. But yeah, man,

1180
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: you know the problem with Harris is like everybody knows

1181
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: the role is going to be sweet, and he's just

1182
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: gone nutso up the board. I mean, he's you know,

1183
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: you can get him in most drafts. He's gone as

1184
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: early as like fourteen fifteen and as late as twenty.

1185
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: It's a pretty narrow range if you want him. And yeah, yeah,

1186
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: this has just kind of been a theme, I guess.

1187
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: But I'm on the receivers over Harris. I think Harris

1188
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: is pretty safe just from like a volume perspective, because,

1189
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 2: like you mentioned Chris, they just don't have anything else.

1190
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not overly concerned about the offensive line because

1191
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, if he's getting twenty carries per game and

1192
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: it's only for four yards of pop, like that's still

1193
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: that still plays for our game. But yeah, I think

1194
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: he's It's kind of like it's kind of like what

1195
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: I say with Eckler, I think he's appropriately priced. It

1196
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: just comes down to you know, how you know, how

1197
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: you feel like you need to construct your team and

1198
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: and you know a lot of those second round receivers

1199
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: are just slightly higher on my board than Harris.

1200
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and that's a that's a good point.

1201
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think though, what you can do is

1202
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: like let's say you're picking, you know, back half of

1203
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: the first round. You can get a guy like uh

1204
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: maybe at Adams Hill Kelsey, like you can eskew like

1205
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: some of the you know, running backs that we are

1206
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: like not all the way in on and I think

1207
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: like it's like this is a pretty good way to

1208
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of uh subdue some of that risk just overall,

1209
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, just running backs in general, or just risky

1210
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: picks because they're more likely to miss games, and I

1211
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: don't think you're really losing out and you're gonna get

1212
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: that stud receiver, that stud tight end. So I actually

1213
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: think Harris fits pretty good into my draft plans. Sean,

1214
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Harrison? Like, who else are

1215
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: you projecting for usage in this backfield?

1216
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm with you there, it's it's slim Pickens. I think

1217
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: Benny Snell is probably the handcuff, but I mean he's

1218
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: unplayable less Harris goes down. But you know, I think

1219
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: eleven is too high for Harris. You know, I'm probably

1220
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: taking one of the top receivers in that range with

1221
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: my draft plan. But you know, I am worried about

1222
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 3: the offensive line. But we've talked about it at length

1223
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: today that you know, efficiency doesn't matter as much as

1224
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: long as they're getting a massive workload. I'm okay with it.

1225
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: And that's basically Harris. But you know, I was in

1226
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: a draft last night where I was able to get

1227
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: him sixteenth. I think that's more appropriate for Harris with

1228
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: some of the risk built in with a rookie. But

1229
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, eleventh is way too high for me.

1230
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm off that.

1231
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: You know, the hype is sort of getting out of

1232
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: control of Harris. But yeah, like I said, you know,

1233
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: round fifteen or sixteen off the boarders when I get him.

1234
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: And to be clear, he's eleventh a running back, but

1235
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: his overall ADP is like fifteen. So like that's what

1236
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I actually I'm fine with taking him.

1237
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm still early in the second, like.

1238
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm still taking guys like Joe Mixon or Antario Gibson

1239
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: over him.

1240
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't with Harris. Okay, that's that's interesting.

1241
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: We definitely got to talk about those guys. And I

1242
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: was actually gonna that was gonna be my next question.

1243
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: So Graham, I'll start with you Gibson, mixing Edward d Lair.

1244
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of the three that could conceivably round out,

1245
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 1: you know, with Harris going to Wevens. You know, maybe

1246
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: you disagree, but those guys will have kind of a

1247
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: claim to round out the top twelve. How do you

1248
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: rank those guys? Which one do you think has the

1249
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: most upside to be a top five back?

1250
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like Sean, I think it's really close between

1251
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: mixing Gibson and Harris. You know, it's one of those

1252
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: things where, like you know, if I do take Devonte

1253
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: Adams or Tyreek Hill at like eight or nine and

1254
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: come back and Harris Mixing or Gibson around the board,

1255
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm usually just like I play a bunch of basketball teams,

1256
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: So this isn't very like applicable if you're just drafting

1257
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: one team this year. But I'm kind of been splitting

1258
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: my exposure between all three and giving mix In like

1259
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: a slight slide edge over those three. I mean, no,

1260
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: Gio Bernard is just massive. I mean that's the biggest

1261
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: thing in Mixing's profile has been not getting any of

1262
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: that like third down work or you know, any like

1263
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: not enough you know, design passing plays, and it's made

1264
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: mix In pretty game script dependent. I mean, he's he's

1265
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: had wide splits just like Josh Jacobs, just like Derrick

1266
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: Henry and wins versus losses. So if we can get

1267
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: mix In, do you know, play on sixty percent of

1268
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals passing downs as opposed to like forty to

1269
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: fifty percent that he's been at in previous years, that's

1270
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: gonna be a huge boost to his floor. I still

1271
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: love Antonio Gibson too, though, man, I mean, if they

1272
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: if they really do lean in on this offseason. You know,

1273
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: they started in OTA's mixing in some more passing down sets.

1274
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: Their coaches have said all offseason, Hey, like last year

1275
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: because of the COVID year, we just didn't have the

1276
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: time to put in the passing down work that we

1277
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: wanted to with Gibson. We wanted to really focus on,

1278
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, the the running aspect, getting more comfortable in

1279
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: terms of reading blocks, just giving more reps there. I

1280
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: think you can paint a picture where Gibson has like

1281
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey esque upside where he gets like sixty to

1282
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: seventy eighty percent of the carries, gets a solid twelve

1283
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: to fifteen percent targets here, Like there's there's Christian McCaffrey

1284
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: light in his range of outcomes. I think for that reason,

1285
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm on Gibson and mixing just a little more than

1286
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: Harris because the Steelers. Steelers might suck this year, but

1287
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: I think all three are pretty or appropriately priced, and

1288
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: and honestly, like you know, there's downside with all three

1289
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: between Harris and the offensive line and the Steelers mix

1290
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: and not getting the role we're expecting, and then you know,

1291
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 2: Gibson not getting more passing down usage. So I think

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: I think the market's kind of got those three guys

1293
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: priced somewhat appropriately. But yeah, man, I love I love

1294
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: Mixing and Gibson and Edwards Hilaire.

1295
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Is he in like a different tier altogether because that

1296
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: was the other guy? Yeah?

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: For me, Edwards Ailaire is, Man, it's just you know,

1298
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: when they got in closed last year, it was they

1299
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: were scheme of stuff to Kelsey. There were scheme of

1300
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 2: stuff to Hill. Edwards Lair also didn't get the target

1301
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 2: chair we were expecting. I thought he'd get pretty close

1302
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: to like what Kareem Hunt's usage was back you know

1303
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: when Hunt was with the team, and it kind of

1304
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: wasn't that. There's still plenty of room for Edwards Alaire

1305
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: to grow. But yeah, I think Gibson and Mixon and

1306
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: Harris are a cut above where Edwards Ailaire's at. I've

1307
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: got him like paired up with like DeAndre Swift and JK.

1308
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: Dobbins and like the third hmm.

1309
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting, Sean, where are you on on these

1310
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: backs Gibson, Mixing, Edward d Lair and then obviously you know,

1311
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: in comparison to Harris.

1312
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have Mixon and Gibson and sort of

1313
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: a mini tier at the bottom of the RB one.

1314
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: Tier.

1315
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: And you know, I think Mixon is the safest bet

1316
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: as long as he can stay healthy. He has top

1317
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: five upside, as Graham mentioned, without Giovanni Bernard there, we

1318
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: should see more of that and the sky's limit for

1319
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: mix and honestly so so I love taking him there.

1320
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: But I think Antio Gibson does have just insane upside

1321
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: and it's really amazing how well he was able to

1322
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: play last year. I mean, he's still learning the position.

1323
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a guy that's converting over from

1324
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: wide receivers, so is amazing how Paul's she looked as

1325
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: a rookie in the limited offseason, So I think he's

1326
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: very likely to take.

1327
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: A huge year two leap.

1328
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: We should see him more in the passing game. I mean,

1329
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: he is a wide receiver after all, and JD. Meth

1330
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: Kissick might have been a symptom of just having Alex

1331
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: Smith the check down machine, and like Graham mentioned, maybe

1332
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: they didn't have enough time to kind of fit him

1333
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 3: in the offense in that way. So I love the

1334
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: the you know, cheaper CMC comparison by Graham, But I

1335
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: think that that really is his upside this year, so

1336
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm targeting heavily in this range. And then I have

1337
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, Nasee Harris, Chris Carson, and Clyde Edwards Hilaire

1338
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 3: sort of in a tear after that. If you can't

1339
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: go wrong with any of those guys. I think Clyde

1340
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: Edwards Hilaire is a guy I'm buying a ton. You know,

1341
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 3: he had a disappointing rookie season, but a lot of

1342
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: the elements are still there. He still plays for the Chiefs,

1343
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: He's still you know, gonna be pretty much the workhorse

1344
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: back in that offense. So I think a lot of

1345
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: the same reasons I like him last year are still

1346
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: there this year. So I love getting Hilaire cheaper this year.

1347
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: And then Chris Carson is one of my favorite value

1348
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: picks in this range. I think he you know, he's

1349
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: always overlooked, you know, sort of in this part in

1350
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: the draft, and he's one of the most reliable backs

1351
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 3: that you can have in sort of the RB two range.

1352
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 3: So that's why I have him paired up with Najia

1353
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 3: Harris and Clyde Edwards Hilaire as well.

1354
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really I think Mixon is the one that

1355
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: that really stands out for me because you know, as

1356
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned, he really has that that that top

1357
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: five upside, which is what I'm looking for. You know,

1358
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm either you know a lot of times when I'm

1359
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: taking him back in this range, it's because i haven't

1360
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: taken one in in the first round. So it's not like,

1361
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, if you're just doubling up on backs,

1362
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: you you're happy with almost any of these guys. You're

1363
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: not really paying it as much mine, but a little

1364
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: more is riding on it. I think if this is

1365
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: their RB one, and I look at Mixing and you know,

1366
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: just with Taylor as the coach, you look at his

1367
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: percentage of backfield carries in these six games that he

1368
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: played last year, and it was ninety five, ninety four,

1369
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: one hundred, ninety three, one hundred and then sixty seven

1370
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: and what he got hurt. So this guy was essentially

1371
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: getting every carry. As you guys mentioned, he has now

1372
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: even more upside in the past game with with Joe Bernardo,

1373
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: there's really not much you know behind him. You know,

1374
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: they have, you know, they have who is it Evans?

1375
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: I think, and then like Williams, Like nobody really of

1376
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: note that I think would take a ton of carries

1377
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: or take a ton of of snaps away from Mixing.

1378
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: And hey, you only played six games last year, so

1379
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: you might catch him on you know, at like a

1380
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: good time where he doesn't. He's not just coming off

1381
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: of a year we took a ton of punishment. So

1382
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: I really like Mixing, And I think Edwards Hilaiir Yeah,

1383
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: I think Edwards Alaire has a lot of room to grow.

1384
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards d' laire actually beat

1385
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: out a guy like Gibson in terms of scoring because

1386
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: like the one my one concern about Gibson, it's not

1387
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: really a concern. But like Washington, I think they are

1388
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: going to continue to kind of spread the ball around,

1389
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: like I think, you know, they they got Curtis Samuel

1390
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: who they can use as like another guy like that.

1391
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: They got they used Mackissic a lot more than people

1392
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: thought last year. They just love those type of guys

1393
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: and I think they they know what they have and

1394
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: Gibson to the point where, like I don't know if

1395
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: we ever see them give him like those twenty five

1396
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: thirty Christian McCaffrey touches. Also, Gibson had a what was it,

1397
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns last year, so I look at a guy

1398
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: like him twelve touchdowns on you know, round two hundred touches,

1399
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: and then Edward dlai only had five touchdowns in the

1400
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chief offense. So I'd be willing to take

1401
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: to take my shot on on Edwards dlaiir Like I think,

1402
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, but Gibson, if he he's I don't think

1403
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna like blast value this year, Like I think

1404
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: last year was the time to draft him. Like, I

1405
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: think the best he's gonna do this year is kind

1406
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: of hit value where he's drafted. So I'm probably not

1407
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: quite like I'm not low on him. I'm just I

1408
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: don't mind getting him. It's just I'm not as like

1409
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: excited about him. I just I could see him kind

1410
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: of landing in a similar range, even if it's to

1411
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: what he did over like the second half of the season.

1412
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: Then then like completely going bonkers, like I think a

1413
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: guy like Mixing could. All right, let's finish up with

1414
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: a couple of questions. Let's just go through our top

1415
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: five running backs in order. Our top five half PPR

1416
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: just to kind of cover the most bases. I'll start

1417
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: with you.

1418
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so half PPR, I'd go McCaffrey, cook Man, Henry

1419
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: has kind of been the guy I've been making like

1420
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: the small change four and half PPR, So Igo, Henry, three,

1421
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 2: Kamara four, Zeke five. Can I give a bonus and

1422
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: say Aaron Jones a six because that's what I love it?

1423
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones six, love it?

1424
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 3: Sean oh Man, I'm gonna sound like an echo here. Yeah,

1425
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 3: my top five is christ McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, Derrick, Henry, Alvin, Kamara,

1426
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: Zeke Elliott, and yeah I have Aaron jose.

1427
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: Look at that. Yeah, I like it. I'm gonna go McCaffrey.

1428
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Kamara. Second. I just love the upside

1429
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: with with Michael Thomas missing time, uh, Derrick, Henry, Dalvin Cook,

1430
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, and yes, I too would also go Aaron

1431
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: Jones six as well. So a lot of love for

1432
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones on this podcast. And uh, let's finish it

1433
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: up with who is your be one fade either because

1434
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: you think the guy's gonna bust or if you have

1435
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: them ranked lower than the market.

1436
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll stick with with Jonathan Taylor. I would have

1437
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: said this before the wins and Nelson injuries too, but yeah,

1438
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: I just think, like I mentioned, he just doesn't have

1439
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: as many outs as players going around him, even guys

1440
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: like Austin Eckler. And then you know, you mix in

1441
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: those injuries and the fact that the Colts are probably

1442
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: gonna get off to a really sluggish start. I mean

1443
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: they have a brutal opening schedule. I mean it's just

1444
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: they could literally start the season.

1445
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: One in four, zero and five.

1446
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: I mean they open up the year with I believe

1447
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: it's the Seahawks, the Rams, they play the Titans, Dolphins, Ravens,

1448
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: then they play the Niners in like Week seven. It's

1449
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: it's really tough.

1450
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 3: Man.

1451
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 2: If we go with the theory that Taylor is gonna

1452
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: be a game script to pin the back the first opening,

1453
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: you know, five six, seven games this year, with no wins,

1454
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: no Nelson, no Fisher, it could get rough pretty quick.

1455
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: So I think Taylor is a guy I'm pretty much

1456
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: avoiding in all my drafts, and I'm just I'm stacking

1457
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron Jones over him. I've got a bunch

1458
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: of receivers over him. I even ranked Darren Waller over

1459
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: him recently. So yeah, man, I just I love the

1460
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: player and I was I was really warming up to him.

1461
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, It's just it's hard for it's

1462
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: hard for me to buy back in now with all

1463
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: the surrounding factors with the Colts.

1464
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit of volatility there that I think,

1465
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, you could go with a safer pick, especially

1466
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: at another position. But Sean, which top running back are

1467
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 1: you fading for twenty twenty one? Sorry?

1468
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 3: Ray, but I think I'm stealing this from you. But

1469
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 3: at Saquon Barkley, there's just too much downside to draft

1470
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: him the first round. We stress all the time you're

1471
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: just trying not to lose your draft, and I'm afraid

1472
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 3: he has that kind of downside. You know, we're not

1473
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: sure he's going to be one hundred percent to start

1474
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 3: the season. He might have to you know, ease in

1475
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 3: or even sit out Week one. So that's a nightmare scenario. Plus,

1476
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 3: you know he's playing behind arguably the worst offensive line

1477
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: in the NFL. And I think I do think first

1478
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: round pick Cadarius Toney will eat into his target share

1479
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: a bit. So there's there's so many concerns that I'm

1480
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: you're better off taking Aaron Jones, Austin Eckler or Nick

1481
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 3: Chubb if you're gonna go running back over Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 3: right now, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Am in total agreement. The running backs that I am

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Speaker 1: fading is Saquon Barkley. I think you know it's such

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Speaker 1: the writings just on the wall. I mean, it's red

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Speaker 1: flag after red flag. It's the prior production. Even when

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Speaker 1: he was healthy, like a third of the time, he

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Speaker 1: gives you almost nothing. Uh The offensive line is terrible,

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Speaker 1: even though you know the quarterback could easily be one

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Speaker 1: of the week's worst. You know, there's but on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, there are enough other receiving options now that

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Speaker 1: you don't have to just feed the ball to Saquon

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Speaker 1: every chance you get. And that maybe what ruined him

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Speaker 1: to begin with, because his rookie year he had so

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Speaker 1: much usage. It just has never been the same. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Any And then if I don't like drafting guys who

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Speaker 1: start the year hurt, like injury risk, that's one thing

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Speaker 1: that's hard to predict. But when a guy enters the

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Speaker 1: year and he's hurt already, that's a big red flag,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about a top five, top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: So Saquon Barkley is who I am fading at running

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty one. Graham, Man, this was a

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Speaker 1: really good podcast. I really enjoyed all your insights and expertise.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Make sure to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, first and foremost, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: This is always a fun chat with y'all. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wish you guys nothing but you know, best of

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Speaker 2: Scott Barrett's been doing a phenomenal job with you know,

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