1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: dot Com. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: We go here, we go on the Giants Mobile. Let 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: him there, Let's go part of the Giants podcast network. 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the newest edition of The Giants 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Little Podcast, brought to you by p S and G 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Energy Efficiency for game time at anytime, visit PSG dot 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Now we're joined by the one and only Kyle Krabs. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: Usually get Kyle before the draft, but this year we 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: get him reacting to what the Giants did. He's from 12 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: the Locked on NFL Scouting podcast. He does that with 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Joe Marino, who he did on earlier in the draft process. 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Kyle's good to see him. Man, are you still decompressing 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: or have you decompressed? Uh? 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: In the process of decompressing, it's it's almost it's a 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: whole different workload to re upload everything you think you 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: know about the teams. And for a team like New 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: York who obviously had such a fun season last year 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and getting the stack wins on top of that by 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: addressing some really key needs throughout the course of this offseason. 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Is it's easy to get enthused about the Giants, and 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: it's the first time in a long time that I 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: think you and I have gotten together and I felt 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that way. So it's nice to again just reevaluate what 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: you think you know about the teams in this new 27 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: direction with Joe Shane and Brian Dable obviously success in 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: year one, and I think they've set themselves up well 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: for success here as well. 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, very different process selecting twenty fifth than in the 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: top ten, which is a nice change because that means 32 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: your regular season was much more successful. For sure. We're 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: gonna start here with the undrafted free agents. We'll get 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Kyle's opinion on the draft class in general. If you 35 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: want to go check out our previous podcast. We had 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: Connor Rodgers on. He did the draft class first, so 37 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna reverse it this time up, and I'm gonna 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: start with the udfas. So Kyle, let's start here. Habakuk Baldonado, 39 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: outside linebacker from Pittsburgh. Really interesting story because he was 40 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: born and group in Rome. But he's a football player, 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: so tell us about him. 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a pretty toolsy player too. I know some 43 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: of his athletic profile presents as somebody who you feel 44 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: like has a pretty good chance to stick if he 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: gets the right opportunity, and obviously had the fall off 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: in production. He had nine tacks and twelve tackles for 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: loss in twenty twenty one, and those numbers progressed this 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: past year. But the guys who have requisite level pass 49 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: rush ability and have production to back it up and 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: are six three two point fifty with thirty three in 51 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: char like, there's a lot of boxes checked here, So 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: this is somebody for I think it's probably a victim 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: of the depth of the pass rush group in this 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: year's draft classes as far as going undrafted, where there 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of really likable names. There were guys 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: coming off the board in the fifth round that you 57 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: thought might have had a chance to be top one 58 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: hundred picks. As it concerns with the pass rush group 59 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: in its entirety, So I think Baldonado's a really interesting name. 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: I think he's somebody with that giant's edge group that 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: is ripe with competition and I think some opportunity with 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: some of the turnover the that's happened there. He's somebody 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised actually ends up making this fifty 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: three man roster when it's all said and done, if 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: he's fully healthy throughout the course of the summer. 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: You know, ky, I think you feel good. You mentioned 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: his arm lank thirty three inchs. He's a strong player. 68 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: You mentioned a sack production did drop, but I think 69 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: you got to feel pretty good about him as an 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: edge center on the run game pretty much right away. 71 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Right Yeah, and those Pittsburgh defensive ends too. You think 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: about Patrick Jones and Rashad Weaver, like there's a pretty 73 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: good recent lineage of guys who come in and they 74 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: have a genuine understanding of how to perform the baseline functions. 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: This is not just we're playing in a wide nine 76 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: system and you guys go Rekavioc in the backfield and 77 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: your liability on the early downs. And I think that's 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: a testament to that's attested to how balanced his production 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: has been throughout the course of his career. You know 80 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: that this past season in Pittsburgh was not the season 81 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: that it was previously, but he's been a balanced player, 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: and I think that sets a high floor for expectations, 83 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: even if the ceiling isn't a high as some of 84 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: the other guys in the class. 85 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: All right, let's knock out the defensive side of the 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: ball here. First. Let's go to cornerback Gimon Green. Obviously 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: we saw him when everyone watched DJ Turner this year, right, 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: and like, oh, look at that other cornerback. And I 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: think he does check some of the boxes with the trades, right, 90 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: six one three, So he's a little bit longer. That's 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: what wing Martindale likes. Ran a four five two forty, 92 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, not elite, but certainly good enough to play. 93 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: Outside your thoughts on Green, the cornerback out of Michigan, yeah. 94 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: I certainly think he got overshadowed a little bit by TJ. Turner, 95 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: who took a big step forward, and that was attested 96 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: to him getting drafted in the second round by the Bengals, 97 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: uh in this year's class. But Green was a player 98 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: who I thought was scrappy, combative. These long corners are 99 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: obviously all the rage. You hope maybe you can get 100 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: a little bit more mass stacked onto his frame to 101 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: play with the kind of physicality that looked no further 102 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: than Deontay Banks right in the physicality that he brings 103 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: as kind of the threshold of what you'd ideally like 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to get, but he's got the frame to do it. 105 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: The concern obviously is, okay, well, if you stack more 106 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: weight on him, he's already a mid four fives guy 107 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: speed wise. Can you trust him vertically? So I think 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: he's going to have to continue to develop with discipline 109 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: and his technique as you put more weight on his 110 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: frame or else you're going to have a more matchup 111 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: specific type player if you don't feel comfortable putting that 112 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: extra weight. 113 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: On, no question about it. All right, stick on defense. 114 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Let's go to linebacker. Let's throw at Troy Brown, the 115 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: linebacker out of Ole Miss. Not the biggest guy, just 116 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: over six foot, two hundred and twenty pounds. He did 117 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: have good explosive numbers at the combine, or rather at 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: his pro day four six nine. Probably not as fast 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: as you would like for a guy that's just two 120 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: twenty three. 121 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that thirty eight inch vertin, that ten to 122 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: seven broad or whatever it was is those are heck 123 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: of good numbers. Right. So, transferred from a directional Michigan 124 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: if I'm remembering correctly, and spent the year at Ole 125 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Miss this past year and was a productive player. So 126 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: you like seeing a guy from a smaller level of 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: competition who makes that big leap, goes to ole miss 128 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: and is productive, and those explosion numbers are hard to ignore. Now, 129 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: he's in a little bit of limbo and tweener at 130 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: the six foot two twenty five and that's why you 131 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: end up going undrafted, right. But every player, whether it's 132 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: a sub package roll or a special teams role, if 133 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: you have enough juice and the explosiveness numbers would like 134 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: would give you some level of indication that he has 135 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: some juice. And he's almost got thirty two inch arms 136 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: for being somebody who's only six foot tall, so he's 137 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: got decent length for his stature too. Can you go 138 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: out make the team on special teams? Can you go 139 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: out and play on kick coverages and be a demon 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: and play with your hair on fire? And if he 141 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: can do that, I think that's probably his pathway to 142 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: the roster. 143 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you talk about making special teams plays, 144 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: and I think for any linebacker on the back of 145 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: the roster, that's what you have to do. Right Toroy 146 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: Brown's won another linebacker they brought in that I'm sure 147 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: I'll be asked to do the same Deontay Johnson the 148 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: inside linebackground of Toledo six two two thirty five. 149 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of the inverse where he's he's been 150 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: highly highly productive out of Toledo, but he doesn't have 151 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: the athletic profile of somebody. So that gives you an 152 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: indication this is somebody who has a really good nose 153 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: for the football, has good instincts, but he doesn't have 154 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: the athletic profile to match it to really command a 155 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: demand for him in the pre draft process. So that's 156 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: that's also not necessarily a bad thing to have that 157 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: level of competition and have different kinds of skill sets 158 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: to see. Okay, you know this is maybe a more 159 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: subspecific This is maybe more of a developmental type. Now 160 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: you've seen sub athletic linebackers find roles and take snaps. 161 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: He's just never or unlikely going to be a one 162 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent or ninety percent snap taker in your defense. 163 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: But two thirty five is a really sturdy bill. You 164 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: got good football instincts, a nose for the football. How 165 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: quickly can you make that impression and probably be an 166 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: early down linebacker would be his ideal path in my eyes. 167 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, agree, one hundred percent. All right, let's jump over 168 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: to offense. And I think probably the name here besides 169 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: baldn On all that giant fans from listening to all 170 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: the work he's done here on the draft no is 171 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: Bryce board Wheaton, wide receiver out of West Virginia. I 172 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: was very surprised he did not go drafted. Kyle, given 173 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: his size and as athletic traits, why do you think 174 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: he did go on drafted and then tell fans a 175 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: little bit about him? 176 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a player I actually know really well. 177 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: He was in my region in the fall, so I 178 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: watched him quite a bit. It's always felt like with 179 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: Bryce Ford Wheaton, there's these flashes, and he became a 180 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: more high volume player in the offense this year and 181 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: that obviously led to more production, but there's some really 182 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: ugly drops on tape and it's really frustrating. And I 183 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: think as a route runner in that West Virginia offense, 184 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: he was a little bit one dimensional. So I think 185 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: you have a player who has high weight speed components, 186 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: but the consistency with the hands and at the catch 187 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: point the season opener, he dropped a ball I think 188 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: it was against Pittsburgh that actually got tipped up in 189 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: the air and ran back for a pick six, and 190 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: it was like a backbreaking mistake, and you felt for 191 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: him because he was super productive in that game. But 192 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: it's just hard to gloss over some of the rooutine 193 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: plays that literally and figuratively have slipped through his fingers 194 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: throughout the course of his career. That's kind of always 195 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: been there for him. I liken him to a player 196 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: like Preston Williams coming out of Colorado State, who was 197 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: a UDFA with the Dolphins and latched on for a 198 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: couple of years, had an injury that cut his prime 199 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: window on his rookie contract short. But there's ups and downs, 200 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: there's ebs and flow's consistency's going He's always going to 201 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: be an issue, But that guy has things that you 202 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: just can't coach in a player, and players like that 203 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: are always going to get opportunities to challenge. For Bryce, 204 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: I think is going to be coming into this offense 205 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and is he somebody who can push Jalen Hyatt, you know, 206 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: because I think Hyatt in the routes that Jalen Hyatt 207 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: won have some overlap with where Bryce Ford Wheaton is 208 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: at his best as well. So I think that's a 209 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: storyline to watch, is whatever that role that they envisioned 210 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: for Hyatt in the offense. I would expect Ford Wheaton 211 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: to get some similar opportunities throughout the course of training 212 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: camp of the preseason. 213 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: And you mentioned his traits. I mean if you just 214 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: look at his combine test and you would think this 215 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: guy is going to be a top three round pick. 216 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: So just tell the folks, what do you think if 217 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: he smoothed some of these issues out, what his upside 218 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: is based on his side speed wayris score that sort 219 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: of thing. Yeah, I mean, it's physicality, it's explosive vertical speed. 220 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: I think he's on his best on the vertical plane. 221 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: So in an ideal situation, he refines himself to defeat 222 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: press coverage. Right West Virginia played in the Big twelve, 223 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: they see a lot of drop eight coverage, a lot 224 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: of zone. You don't get a lot of pressman coverage 225 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: on the outside. How quickly can he acclimate to that 226 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: element of NFL football? And if he gets stat guys 227 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: in the contact window and run vouts vertically down the field, 228 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: he can be a big play weapon for somebody in 229 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: the passing game, provided that he's consistently catching the football. 230 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: So of all the udia Phays that the Giants have 231 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: brought in, I think I think the skill set here 232 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: to have a pathway to be a consistent contributor on 233 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: an NFL roster. Ford Wheaton's got the goods, all right. 234 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: The other offensive player is Tommy DeVito, Jersey kid. Don 235 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: Bosco went to Syracuse transfer to Illinois. I know he 236 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: probably talking to some friends of mine that are big 237 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: Syracuse fans. They were probably a little bit disappointed with 238 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: his overall production up there. Oh your thoughts on the 239 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: veto and what he can bring as kind of that 240 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: developmental quarterback which the Giants right now do not have 241 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: on their roster. 242 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough mobile uses his legs. Consistency with 243 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: decision making and accuracy has kind of been what's bit him. 244 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: But even that, the infrastructure that Syracuse offense, they haven't 245 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: had a lot to work with throughout the course of 246 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: the past several seasons. So it's kind of hard when 247 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: you're playing in the ACC to compete against some of 248 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: these other bigger programs. And then he obviously transfers to 249 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: Illinois and Illinois has this phenomenal defense, This past year 250 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten and that kept in competitive in 251 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: a lot of games. But even there the offense, it 252 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: was Chase Brown who ended up being I think a 253 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: fifth round pick when it was all said and done, 254 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: and not much else. So he's been in the spots 255 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: where he just hasn't had a lot of help around him. 256 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: But I do think he has exacerbated some of his 257 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: own issues with frustrating decision making in real time, and 258 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: just from an accuracy perspective, you have to hope that 259 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: he continues to take strives to be more accurate as 260 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: a player. But I like his toughness. I like his grittiness. 261 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: I like his ability to use his legs. 262 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: I like his. 263 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Willingness to take hits and try to make plays happen. 264 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: What are his raw tools in terms of arm strength 265 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: and athleticism. 266 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: I'd say his athleticism is good. I would say his 267 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: arm strength is above average. So I mean it for 268 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: a developmental type that's a UDFA that if you want 269 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: to stash on the practice squad and carry him through, 270 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect kind of player for this. 271 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: It's just to get anything of substance on a fifty three, 272 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: you're probably going to need to catch lightning in a 273 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: bottle and he's going to have to experience epiphany with 274 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: the light come on. That hasn't come on yet. 275 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, by the way, folks that way, we're working on 276 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: off kind of like non official list here, so the 277 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: Giants end up signing someone. Addition that we don't talk 278 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: about here is because they've kind of snuck it in 279 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: onto the goal line and we haven't seen it. So 280 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: we're doing our best camera lines. Long Snapper another guy 281 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: that Giants have reportedly brought in to sign. And then 282 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: there's some rookie invite Camp invites Kyle, anybody from that 283 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: list really jump out to you that you think could 284 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: make some noise. 285 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: Anytime I get into a service Academy kid my years, 286 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: at least perk up a little bit. So Hazique Daniel's 287 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: multi tool offensive weaponry. You know, there's been a nice 288 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: little pipeline of Service Academy kids who have come through. 289 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: And Malcolm Perry's another one in recent years from Navy 290 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: to quarterback who those guys are usually real hard nosed, 291 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: blue collar football players and play tough. So anytime you 292 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: get a util weapon like that, that's at least something 293 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: that I'm interested to see how he does in a 294 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: training camp situation. 295 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: And I think you trust the Giants offensive coaching staff 296 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: to make the most out of these guys and put 297 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: him in a situation they can't succeed. I'm with you, 298 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: all right, Let's get to the draft last and you 299 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: can take it any direction you want to start here, Kyle, 300 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: what do you want to talk about? 301 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: I love the addition of John Michael Schmitz at center 302 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: for this Giants team. The Giants were one of the 303 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: teams in the fall that I had for pro scouting, 304 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: so I watched him every three weeks and it was 305 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: apparent a how good Andrew Thomas was, and then it 306 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: was apparent how toolsy but it inconsistent Evan Neil was 307 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: in his rookie season, And it was also apparent that 308 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: we need some help on the inside on the interior trio. 309 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: And if you'd told me they'd have picked Michael Schmitz 310 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: in the first round, I'd probably have been a little 311 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: bit surprised, but from a needs base and what I 312 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: think the floor is for Michael Schmidz as a player, 313 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have blinked an eye and thought that it 314 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: was out of place, and for them to get him 315 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: in the late fifties, I think his great value. The 316 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman in this class were not coveted. We 317 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: didn't have any go in the first round. Steve Avila 318 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: with the Rams just inside the top forty was kind 319 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: of where the runs started. But Michael Schmitz, I think 320 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: he's really good with his hands. He's got a wrestling background. 321 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: He leverages gaps really well. He's not the most dynamic, 322 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: but I think the football intelligence here is what really 323 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: allows him to shine as being an anchor in the middle. 324 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: And he's like three hundred ten pounds. He's not one 325 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: of these two hundred and ninety two hundred ninety five 326 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: pounds centers that you have to worry about getting covered 327 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: up with a nos tackle, especially with the Cowboys going 328 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: out and drafting Mazzie Smith and Jordan Davis in Philadelphia. 329 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Like he's a bigger center, he's gonna be able to 330 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: hold his own. So out of all the picks that 331 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: the Giants made, I like Deontay Banks, I get why 332 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: that was a wink Martin Dale selection. I like Jalen Hyatt. 333 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: I think the vertical component in the passing game is 334 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: gonna be really helpful for them. But John Michael Schmidz 335 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: was the one that I was like, Yeah, that that's 336 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: they're really going to feel that player early on in 337 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: my mind because of what he brings and how much 338 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: they needed an upgrade there. 339 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: And we've talked about it here. Why do you think 340 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: Deontay Banks fits what Wink wants to do so much? 341 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Well, they're just such an aggressive defense and you look 342 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: at what Wink has had at his disposal in his 343 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: previous stops and Marlon Humphrey and Baltimore, and I think 344 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: that kind of arc type of a corner Banks, that's 345 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: where he's at his bet when you let him play 346 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: inside the contact window and really play in the face, 347 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: and when you want to play zone coverage out of 348 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: that and play these guys in a half turn and 349 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: they're going to play cover three. You're not doing it 350 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: like a pure backpedal, but it's going to be back 351 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: to the sideline eyes through the quarterback, and that length 352 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: makes it really difficult to throw over top of him 353 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: in those situations. Just because he's so long, he really 354 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: squeezes that throwing window, that red line between where the 355 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: receiver is at and the boundary that you got to 356 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: get the ball up and over on the outside shoulder 357 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: if you gonna take shots down the field. Banks is 358 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: suffocating in those areas. So you've got all this length 359 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage, you got the physicality, you 360 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: got the right demeanor to play forward if he has 361 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: to step up and run support, and then you have 362 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: that length and zone situations that I think as the 363 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: Giants want to bring pressure and mix and max man 364 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: coverage that disrupts timing with rout releases or going to 365 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: play zone and try and force pressures you to throw 366 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: quickly and make quick decisions, and we're going to be 367 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: reading you the entire way. He's got the right balance 368 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: of skill set in my mind, to really be an 369 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: effective player for the Giants at corner. 370 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Calef, I had to guess just based on where 371 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: Hendon Hooker went when Hendon Hooker went, same for Tilman 372 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: and Hyatt. I think NFL teams probably ding the Tennessee 373 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: offensive scheme a little bit where it's like, well how 374 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: does this translate? We're not sure? So your thoughts on 375 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: Hyatt where he can contribute right away, but then where 376 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: the potential for growth is for him as he kind 377 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: of learns to play in a more pro like system. 378 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think NFL teams are right to question 379 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: the translatability of that immediately because the spacing is unlike 380 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: anything that you ever see in the NFL. You've already 381 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: heard a lot of analysts like in college football is 382 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: almost kind of pseudo different game than the pro game 383 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: just because of the way that the rules are and 384 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: has market right is right. So from a spacing perspective, 385 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the way Tennessee does it, it's fun, it's wide open, 386 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: it's high paced. There's not a lot of reps that 387 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: you can take out of that as an eleven on 388 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: eleven environment and transplant it into an NFL offense. Now. 389 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: I think with Jalen Hyatt, whether he's playing on the 390 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: perimeter or he's playing in the slot, there are individual 391 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: things that he does that I do think do translate. 392 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: And I think this is the player that maybe Giants 393 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: fans hoped that Darius Slayton was going to be when 394 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: he made his splash early on and he put up 395 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: the eight hundred receiving yards or whatever it was as 396 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, and just the high weight, speed, 397 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: vertical component down the field. The Giants are going to 398 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: run the ball. Obviously, with bringing Saquon Barkley back, that's 399 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: going to be a presence Daniel Jones and his athleticism. 400 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: You're picking up an extra gap in the run game 401 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: in that regard when you want to call your shots 402 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: there and to be able to build off of that 403 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: with play action passing and trying to get Hyatt in 404 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: situations where teams are rolling that safety down to try 405 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: and get that extra hat in the box and you're 406 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: in cover one or one high coverages down the field 407 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: shots or where he was at his best. He's got 408 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: really good speed, he's got really good ball tracking abilities, 409 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: So let him work the island on the outside. I 410 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: think that's the pathway for him to immediately translate. The 411 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: challenge is good corners at the NFL level who are 412 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: proficient in press coverage and don't panic and have good speed. 413 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: They're going to test his technique at the line of scrimmage. 414 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing for me for Hyatt is 415 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: right away, how do you be press coverage? Same question 416 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: that we had for Ford Wheaton, And then long term 417 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: it's how many clubs can you add to your bag 418 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: to run routes off of that same kind of vertical 419 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: stem where you're pushing really hard. If you can get 420 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: really proficient with your footwork at the top of routes 421 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: that snap back down against the line of scrimmage, if 422 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: teams are going to play you really soft and try 423 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: to respect your vertical speed, you got a lot of 424 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: pitch and catch opportunities, but you have to be refined 425 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: with your feet and make sure that you're really polishing 426 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: ro oute running. 427 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no reason to think you can't do it. 428 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: He just hasn't really been asked to do it yet. 429 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: So one hundred percent with you, Eric Gray. I mean 430 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: I think he he can step in right away and 431 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: help in the passing game. Kyle. He's a good route runner. 432 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: He catches it naturally. I think he's very elusive in 433 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: the open field. I mean, I can't remember how many 434 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: times I saw him not just you know, juke somebody 435 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: one of them, but spin them around like a top 436 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: when he has him in the open field. I think 437 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: he's a really good player. 438 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of floated under the radar here for 439 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: a little bit. Obviously started at Tennessee and transfers to Oklahoma, 440 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: and you think the big year is gonna come, and 441 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: then they go with a different back his first year there, 442 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: and then he comes back to school and finally lives 443 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: up to the potential. I was surprised he didn't run 444 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: all that well, but the short area explosiveness of his 445 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: cuts is what really pops to me. Like he's an 446 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: angry runner, and when he sticks his foot in the ground, 447 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: he's got some of that really dynamic bounce to change 448 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: directions where he's running hard foot in the ground and 449 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: he's going ninety degrees in a different direction. And John, 450 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: as you said that they've put some of these guys 451 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: in a blender where he'll make guys looks silly on 452 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: the edge if he's pressing outside. And then obviously the 453 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: contributions in the passing game. So I think this is 454 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: a great fresh set of legs, change of pace, but 455 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: still physical presence to go with Saquan in that offensive backfield. 456 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: And I think he's going to find himself very quickly 457 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: ingratiating himself to Giants fans for just the style of 458 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: football which he plays. 459 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like these shorter running backs that have that 460 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: low center of gravity. I think they can kind of 461 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: run above their weight class. Is it just it's hard 462 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: to bring him down with the contact balance? Yeah. Three 463 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: more picks here, Kyle. Sixth round Trey Hawkins, Old Dominion, Konner. 464 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on him watching him on tape, he just 465 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: seems to be one of these guys that has the 466 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: trades Wink would like. And I, you just got to 467 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: develop him a little bit. 468 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I we're talking big long corners, right. And 469 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: here's six two one ninety and Old Dominion transferred into 470 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: Old Dominion in twenty twenty, didn't play because of the 471 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: COVID season, so he's twenty five game starter at Old Dominion. 472 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: He's been productive, played on special teams to some degree 473 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: as well. I believe he is a block kick on 474 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: his resume as well. So for these late round picks, 475 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: they're developmental body types and guys that can play on teams. 476 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: And the fact that he brings that to the table, 477 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: I certainly think this is a player who is going 478 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: to push for a fifty three spot. Obviously, you know 479 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: you're getting this late in the draft unless you're drafting 480 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: really role specific type players. The expectations for them to 481 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: make your active roster are not guaranteed, but I think 482 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: there's a number of different pathways for Hawkins, and he's 483 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: a pretty intriguing player. I'm interested to see how he does. 484 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not Georg Jordan Riley's going to give you 485 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: much on teams A little bit. No, I would love 486 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: to see him try to run down and kickoffs just 487 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: with the visual, but you generally do not find men 488 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: that are three hundred and thirty pounds in the seventh round. 489 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: And I think the Giants Viared, look, he's got unique size. 490 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: Maybe we can turn him into something. 491 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, almost three hundred and forty pounds, six 492 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: foot five and the nose tackle is a little bit 493 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: of a dying art in the NFL these days. And 494 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: that's why you see these guys that slip so far 495 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: in the draft, just because as they're perceived to be 496 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: relatively easily replaced the skill sets, unless you're getting a 497 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: really play rare player like a Javon Hargrave who signs 498 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: for twenty one million dollars with the forty nine ers 499 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: this offseason because he can get ten sacks to go 500 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: with dominating, or that dude in New York exter Lawrence 501 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: is a pretty rare breed in his own right with 502 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: the sack production and the growth that he's shown on 503 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: passing downs this this past year. So that's not a 504 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: bad player for a guy like Jordan Riley to kind 505 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: of get behind and learn from, just because the mass 506 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: is there. I think he is pretty nimble for a 507 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: bigger guy, So I'm interested to see just what he's 508 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: able to do to impress with this giant staff, whether 509 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: or not he's worth hanging on to trying to develop. 510 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: Stash on the practice squad make the fifty three initially, 511 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: just because you know, when teams kind of first flush 512 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: on the big cut down the fifty three, there's a 513 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: lot of plucking and weeding through the waiver wire that happens. 514 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll see players that initially make it in an 515 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: effort to Okay, we're gonna let the purge happen and 516 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: all these other commitments happen, and then maybe then stash him. 517 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see if they're really interested in 518 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: just holding onto this guy because of his frame. 519 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: And then finally, Javarius Owens out of Houston. I went 520 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: back and I watched him. Kyle and I watched his 521 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: pass defense first, and I'm like, you know what, he's 522 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: got a he's got eyes for the football, he can 523 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: locate it, he can make plays in the ball. I 524 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: think he has good instincts and coverage and I'm like, wow, 525 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy went to the seventh round. 526 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: Then I watched him tackle in the run game and 527 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: even on some catches, and I'm like, all right, well, 528 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: now I see why maybe teams are a little worried 529 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: about him because he did have some mistackles on his tape. 530 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Owens. 531 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Safeties who don't can tackle, don't tackle consistently on 532 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: the back end, are always gonna get teams a little leery, right, 533 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: And doesn't does it really matter? Who's the kid from 534 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: Louisville like almost ten years ago now, have like fourteen 535 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: interceptions and then he still went in the seventh round 536 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: because he just didn't tackle all that well. So there's 537 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: there's concerns there with with Owens that I get. I 538 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: do think from an athletic profile perspective, this is somebody 539 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: worth rolling the dice on. We've talked a little bit 540 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: about special teams with these late run guys in udfas. 541 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: But that's a concern for Owens too, because on teams, 542 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: if you're running down covering kicks, you've got a lot 543 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: of grass to cover and then you got to come 544 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: to balance and make the tackle. So I think that's 545 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: the biggest storyline for Owens is how much growth can 546 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: you show, which I don't have a great deal of 547 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: confidence that we're going to see a ton just because 548 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: this was a pretty well established player at Houston. 549 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll have to see if he can earn 550 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: his way, because you're right, if he's going to make 551 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: the team, he's going to have to contribute on special teams. 552 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: Kyleum with you that one hundred percent. So you mentioned, 553 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: you know, the Giants were part of your pro scatting 554 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: responsibilities last year. So give me a feel just in 555 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: terms of where you think the Giants are in larger context, 556 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: how they're building, and kind of where they are trying 557 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: to chase down the Cowboys and Eagles in the NFC East. 558 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was a little surprised how ambitious this offseason 559 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: felt after nine to seven and one. But they, I mean, 560 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: they want a playoff game, right, So you extend Daniel Jones, 561 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: you franchise tax a Coon Barkley, you trade for Darren Waller, Like, 562 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: those are moves that very clearly indicate, hey, we think 563 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: we're not going to on the door or something here. 564 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: And when I reflect back on watching the Giants play, 565 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: what really struck me was how well schemed and coached 566 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: the team was. So from a coaching perspective, situational football 567 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: was off the charts. A lot of the ways that 568 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: they were scheming players open in the passing game I 569 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: really appreciated as well. And that was, you know, in 570 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: spite of some injuries and losing some more of their 571 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: more dynamic players in the passing game, in spite of 572 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: not having good interier offensive line play in my estimation 573 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: from just watching the talent that they had available and 574 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: the complications that that presented for Daniel Jones playing consistently 575 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: down in and down out. So you feel, okay, well, 576 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: now let's go get a Jalen Hyatt field stretcher. Let's 577 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: go get a Darren Waller middle of the field type player, 578 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: and now we don't have to work so hard to 579 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: scheme some of these guys open. And look, I love 580 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: the story of Isaiah Hodgins, right, it's just an awesome player, 581 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: awesome story of a player who's been through adversity and 582 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: finally got an opportunity and he made the most of 583 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: it last year. But that's a player who was in 584 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: the situation that he was because the athletic profile was 585 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: not a mismatch for NFL defenders once he got to 586 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: this level. But when they're scheming the scheme as well 587 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: as they did, you see a player who has really 588 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: good concentration, has physicality, has good hands, and now all 589 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's starting to make some plays. Well, 590 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: what happens when you get some other players and pieces 591 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: around him that do start to present some physical mismatch propositions. 592 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's what I'm most excited for for 593 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: the Giants, because if they're able to sustain how well 594 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: they were coached and how well they schemed up their 595 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: concepts last year, the floor's going to be right around 596 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: where it was last year, and then it's up to 597 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: the new pieces to give them some more game breaking changing, 598 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: explosive plays, flip the field, get more points on the board, 599 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: and put yourself in a position to win a couple 600 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: more football games. 601 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think ideally, right, Hodgens is probably a number 602 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: three type ish possession, big receiver. But I think to 603 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: your point, when you watched the Giants last year, aside 604 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: from some Barkley runs, they were such a station to 605 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: station type of team where they were able to kind 606 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: of slowly bring you know, bring the team down the field. 607 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 2: To your point, they were really good in their red 608 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: zone situation, so they were able to pay off most 609 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: of those drives with touchdowns. But I really think the 610 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: coaching staff understood they had to become more explosive this offseason. 611 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: And even though you didn't get that one a wide receiver, 612 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: you get an explosive player and Waller, you draft Hiatt, 613 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: you bring Paris Campbell and who's got a lot of speed. 614 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: I think the main goal this offseason to me, Kyle, 615 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: was just make more big plays offensively, because you probably 616 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: can't sustain the way you succeeded on offense last year 617 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: for an extended period of time. 618 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hard way to make a living to 619 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: consistently string eight twelve play drives together to go score touchdowns. Right, So, 620 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: and I believe the Giants were one of the better teams. 621 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: I think they were the top twelve and turnover differential 622 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: last year yep, so they were like negative ten points 623 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: or something like that point Differentially, they were fifteenth in 624 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: scoring offense. I think they were eighteenth in scoring defense. 625 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: So like a lot of middle of the road type stuff. 626 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: The sustainability of that year over year. To your point, John, 627 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: it's really dangerous to bet on that being your formula. 628 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: That happened again, So you had to go out and 629 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: get some different players to do some things differently, and 630 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: I think they certainly told you that they felt they 631 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: I had identified the kinds of pieces to allow that 632 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: to happen. 633 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: And then defensively, I think you just hope to see 634 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: continued growth, right, You hope the guys that you drafted 635 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: the last couple of years continue to improve. Does McKinney 636 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: finally take that leap to all pro level player? Does 637 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: those o Jilari and Thibodeau. Do they realize their pass 638 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: rush potential and become more consistent? Does Ojelari state hell 639 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: health is tibital healthy the whole year? You know, you 640 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: saw Dexter Lawrence take that jump in year three last year, 641 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: so I think defensively, one more year in the scheme 642 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: he had Deontay Banks. You hopa Dori Jackson's healthy the 643 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: whole year that those guys kind of grow together and 644 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: wink and kind of do more of what he wanted 645 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: to do over a longer part of the season. Because 646 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: we saw and you watch the games, he had to 647 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: go to a lot of his own concepts when they 648 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: played better passing team at the end of the year, 649 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: which you know is something he doesn't want to do, 650 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: but he had to. You hope now with the guys 651 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: they've added, he can do more of what he wants, 652 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: even against some of the teams that maybe have some 653 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: more offensive weapons. 654 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, not for nothing either, I really like the 655 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: additions of Bobby McCain and Bobby o'carikey to this defense too. 656 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: But you know, Bobby, former nickel corner with Miami, goes 657 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: to Washington plays free safety there for a couple of years. 658 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Good ball skills, still a pretty sturdy player and a 659 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: tackling there has kind of always been something for him 660 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: that you wish was a touch better, But he's got 661 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: good instincts and now he's a couple of years of 662 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: playing safety under his belt. And o'kerokee's really long and athletic, 663 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: and that's a pretty common theme for a lot of 664 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: successful defenses, having length and athleticism on the second level 665 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: for just how much of the middle of the field 666 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: areas that they can account for. And I don't think 667 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: the Giants had that player last year. So to be 668 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: able to put in o'kaakee and hope that his range 669 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: and all the things that he did well in Indianapolis 670 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: behind what was a sturdy defensive line and Grover Stewart 671 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: protecting him as a stack linebacker, you're going into a 672 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: situation that has the same elements playing in front of 673 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: you to protect you and allow you to make plays. 674 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: So I like those two editions for the Giants too. 675 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, they had to play better run defense. Kyle, 676 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: You're in a division with the Eagles, who in the 677 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: two games where they actually played their starters ran for 678 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: order than two hundred yards against You can't win games 679 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: given up two to two fifty on the ground against 680 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: your division rival. So you know you mentioned o'karake huge addition. 681 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: Also Ashaun Robinson and Nacho from from Tampa, two guys 682 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: that go on to the radar, but at least their 683 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: bodies and you know I think wink, because you didn't 684 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: trust this corners had to keep two safeties deep more 685 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: on his defense. Now maybe you can, you know, be 686 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: more comfortable doing that, be these some bigger bodies up front. 687 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: So maybe you're not dominant against the run, but at 688 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: least you're not getting diced up against the run where 689 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: it's really hard to win those games. 690 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And it's funny how it all ties together. Right, 691 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: So we just got done talking about the Giants and 692 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt and less two high safety shells and trying 693 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: to establish the run, and say, the coin goes on 694 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: both sides. Right on the other side of that coin 695 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: for New York is they felt that themselves and protecting 696 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: their corners and trying to limit explosive plays, which was 697 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: inhibited in large part because the Giants didn't great enough 698 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: explosive plays last year. So I think you see a 699 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: very clear vision that is going to allow you to 700 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: play more aggressive and more dynamic on both sides of 701 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: the ball. So you don't have to just get by 702 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: by being one of the most consistently coached teams week 703 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: in and week out. And you need that in the 704 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: East because you think about the NFC landscape, and I 705 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: think two of everybody's top four consensus teams in the 706 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: conference are the other two teams in the division that 707 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: went to the postseason in front of you last year. 708 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: So you got to chase those guys down as best 709 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: you can, and I think they are on the right path. 710 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: And continuity with the coaching staff in year two and 711 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: building on what they had last year and hopefully getting 712 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: more from Daniel Jones in the passing game with more 713 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: explosive plays for guys that can help him will create 714 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: another memorable season for the Giants. 715 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: All right, final question. You said you've had some time 716 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: to reorient about what teams did in the draft, and 717 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: just give me your big picture of thoughts on how 718 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: the draft went. Things that surprised you, things that stood out, 719 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: things that you think are most important that Giant fans 720 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 2: been looking at the league as a whole to kind 721 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: of keep in mind that you saw other teams around 722 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: the league building through the draft. 723 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was surprised by we talked a little 724 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: bit about Tommy DeVito and developmental quarterbacks, that we had 725 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: an obscene number of Day three quarterbacks drafted this year. 726 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: And everybody's looking for the Brock Party, right, And that's 727 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: a dangerous game to start playing that game looking for 728 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: the next Rock Party. But that was one thing that 729 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: surprised me quite a bit. 730 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: Which which by the way, because not everyone has Kyle 731 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: Shanahan to put into a system, right, you know what 732 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 2: I mean? Right? 733 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: This is the same system that saw Nick Mullins come 734 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: in as a seventh round pick and CJ. Bethard, who's 735 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: been a career backup journeyman player come in and have 736 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: like three hundred and fifty yard passing games in the 737 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: same offense. So I wouldn't try to replicate it. 738 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: Ravo. 739 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: Kudos to the Giants for not trying to replicate it 740 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: and I think making more of their Day three picks. 741 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: But that was a trend that really surprised me. Uh. 742 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: And then one thing just looking at within the division, 743 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised with what Dallas has going on Offensively. 744 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: They obviously moved on from Kellen Moore, They've cut Ezekiel 745 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: Elliot as a post June first designation, they're running back 746 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: right in rumor right now is Tony Pollard coming off 747 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: a season ending injury on the franchise tag, And then 748 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: like Deuce Vaughan's like probably the two right now, and 749 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: that's it's. 750 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: Always go doubtle, right, we go doub there. 751 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: From South Carolina's another so like this has always historically 752 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: been a team that's been at his best when they're 753 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: running the ball, and McCarthy's taking over play calling duties 754 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: for Kellen Moore. Like, I just think there's some really 755 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: interesting elements with the Cowboys that is a little bit 756 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: of a departure from under Dak Prescott when they've been 757 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: at their best that I'm fascinated to see how it 758 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: plays out. But I think there are things that help 759 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: in my mind the Giants in those head to head 760 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: matchups with Dallas. 761 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: I wonder if Zeke goes back there on a really 762 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: small contract at some point, because that doesn't sound like 763 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: as much interest elsewhere. So if he's going to sign 764 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: a small contract, why why not just stay where you're 765 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: at and just go back to Dallas. 766 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: Honestly, I would I would support Dallas for making the 767 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: move if they did, just because they they need the 768 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: bodies there. And obviously Deuce Vaughn, as cool as that 769 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: story was for his dad to give him the call 770 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: on draft Day and announced that they were going to 771 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: make him to pick there and share that with with 772 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: his son deuces like five six, like one eighty five. 773 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: So that's not a guy that's gonna pound the ball 774 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: between the rocks. That's certainly not what Ezekiel Elliott is 775 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: as a player. So I think they are missing that 776 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: element and how they try to replace that. Are you 777 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: going to just try to be a true McCarthy West 778 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: Coast offense that's going to pass the ball at an 779 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: even higher rate and put the ball in Dak's hands? 780 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: And is that the best idea with Dak Prescott and 781 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: what he has historically been when you've tried to be 782 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: in high passing volume offense. Like, there's just some questions 783 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: there that I'm interested to see how plays out. 784 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: And I think if there was one thing that Isequeller 785 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: was still really good at Kyle with short yarded stuff, 786 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: like he was still good in third and ones goal line, 787 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: he got the ball in the end zone. I think 788 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: those are things he's still kind of excelled at. Good stuff. 789 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: My friend, tell the folks, so where they can find 790 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 2: all your stuff? Man? 791 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm on social media at grinding the tape, 792 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm on the Locked on NFL Scouting Podcast with Joe Marino. 793 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: We do team building, big picture, top down across the 794 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: entire league, which is really fun to kind of put 795 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: our GM hats on and digest decisions as they're being made, 796 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: and evaluate rosters and at highway college prospects and do 797 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: all kinds of draft content too. So a little bit 798 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: of a change for for Joe and myself, but it's 799 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: been really invigorating in a lot of fun to take 800 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: a new angle with all these big picture topics that 801 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: we're all talking about so much and we love. 802 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: So much, and you're here it. These guys do their 803 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: work on the draft. I mean, he was knocking off 804 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 2: undrafted free agents, so he knows this stuff. Kyle, good stuff, 805 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 2: my friend. Enjoy your off season. And that was me 806 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: doing air quotes for the people listening to this. And 807 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: we will talk to you soon, all right, pal. Thanks John, 808 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 2: Kyle crabs John's Little Podcast, brought to you by PSANG. 809 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, everybody, We'll see you next time.