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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chuck here again, continuing on with our twelve

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Speaker 1: Days of Christmas Toys playlist. Right now, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: serve up a delicious serving of nostalgia for anybody that's

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Speaker 1: probably Gen xers would be my guest. But the episode

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Speaker 1: is how the Nintendo Entertainment System changed gaming forever because

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Speaker 1: oil Boy did it. Please enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck

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Speaker 3: and we're ten years old right now, and this is

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Speaker 3: stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Can I go ahead and admit something?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, I'm nervous though, but yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was a little bit old for Nintendo the

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Speaker 1: Nees system. And that's not to say that kids my

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Speaker 1: like I never played Mario Kart and Zelda and sort

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Speaker 1: had to have been a Super Nintendo in like ninety two.

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Speaker 1: My roommate had one, so that's where I first started

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Speaker 1: playing Super Mario World, and I played stuff like Tetris

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Speaker 1: But I've never owned a Nintendo.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that Nintendo came out and

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Speaker 3: I was ten eleven years old, not driving yet, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean later in college, my my good friend

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Speaker 1: Clay got a the first PlayStation and that's where we

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Speaker 1: reading through this. I was like, I played some of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to say I jumped from Nintendo. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I played that, right. My friend John ed one

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Speaker 3: That was so great. And then I got the first

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Speaker 3: Like when I was just walking around living life and

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Speaker 3: I made a decision, a very faithful decision that I've

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Speaker 3: games because I was too addicted to them. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: this was college and I never looked back.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so you were into them, huh?

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Speaker 3: I was big time into him. Yeah. It was like

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Speaker 1: In your favor. In your defense, rather, I would say

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Speaker 1: that I think everyone who's ever played like Tetris has

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Speaker 1: occasionally if you're into it. Yeah, and you know my deal,

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Speaker 1: as you know said before, as I was heavy Atari kid,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still enjoy it though. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, my buddy Doug Dillard growing up, had one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this, to be clear, what we're going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean it's the holidays, So one of

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Speaker 3: But like it always is tied to Christmas as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So one of the things, like the Nintendo Entertainment

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Speaker 3: at a time when the video game market in North

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Atari was dead as disco. We talked

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. But yeah, ET came

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Speaker 3: So I was that the thing that triggered it? Or

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think it was the two part thing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And also at the same time, one of the

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Speaker 3: and with the personal computer, you could like do your taxes,

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Speaker 3: on floppy disc too. So exactly, yes, I played Wolf

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Speaker 3: and Oh. I'm so glad you said that, because I

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Speaker 3: But I saw it described by a guy named Chris

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Speaker 3: I don't want to beat this jrump too hard, but

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Speaker 3: to get across how huge the crash was. The video

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Speaker 3: game crash of North America. In nineteen eighty two, Atari

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Speaker 3: three they lost five hundred and thirty six million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's a swift fall, yes, but that's how quickly that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but as you pointed out this, we need to

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Speaker 1: It did not happen in Japan in nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 3: But well I think it was kind of the only

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Speaker 1: it was not a Nintendo product, right.

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Speaker 3: No, it absolutely wasn't. In fact, it was Nintendo came

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Speaker 3: So the head of Nintendo, Hiroshi Yamauchi, he apparently was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not very often that a head

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Speaker 3: including Robot and zappor Gun.

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00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: Well notably Robot, because that's what it all. Anyone cared

437
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: about it.

438
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: First, Yeah, for sure.

439
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: Like at CES, the NES system was sort of to

440
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: the side and everyone was just trying to get their

441
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: hands on Rob and play Gyromite, which I'm telling you

442
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: you got to just spend five minutes watching Rob play

443
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: this game, because he shows a split screen of the

444
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: the TV screen of what's happening on the game, which

445
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: really isn't much, and then Rob just very slowly picking

446
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: up these spindle tops and making them spin.

447
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wasn't the the game historian video that

448
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: that really kind of went into detail about how Rob

449
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: played and setting up his accessories and everything.

450
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of them.

451
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure, Okay, I think it was that one.

452
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: If not, it was another one I saw it where

453
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: they really kind of showed like the idea of Rob

454
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: was pretty ingenious. He was player too, but you were

455
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: actually playing together like you in gyro Might. You were

456
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 3: kind of running through this maze and there were like

457
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: pillars that you couldn't get past. You had to get

458
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: Rob to do it for you. And again he got

459
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 3: some lunch so slowly. Yeah, good, get an eye, examine

460
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 3: your glasses. Made in an hour or two and then yeah,

461
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: he would have completed that and you could advance to

462
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: the next column or whatever. It was a great idea.

463
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: It was a cool concept, but it just the execution

464
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: was terrible. But he essentially just pushed the buttons on

465
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 3: the player two controller, So if you got tired and

466
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: frustrated of waiting for Rob, you could just push the

467
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: buttons on the player two controller yourself and play gyro

468
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 3: Mighte that way. But the point was They don't seem

469
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: in retrospect to have really thought Rob was going to

470
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: take off. In fact, the games that they he came

471
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 3: with in North America were the Japanese versions. They hadn't

472
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: even bothered to make the North American version of these.

473
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: They just put like kind of this like like fix

474
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: on it that made it compatible with the North American system.

475
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: But when you loaded up gyro Mighte, the intro screen

476
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: showed the Japanese name for it at the very beginning

477
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: of it.

478
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw other games that had Japanese

479
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: writing and stuff. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's a memory.

480
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: It may have just been like boot up screens or something.

481
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: So they decide it was such a you know, I

482
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: grabber at cees that they decided, all right, let's go

483
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: to New York City and let's test it out there

484
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: in one city, roll it out, see what happens. The

485
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: New York retailer said, hey, buddy, I got look at this.

486
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: I got a warehouse full of Atari's over here that

487
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't even give away, like I don't know about

488
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: a new gaming system. And they said, all right, here's

489
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: what we'll do. We will ship them to your store

490
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: from Japan for free. We will. You can just sell

491
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: what you sell and pay us for those. Whatever you

492
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: don't sell you can return to us. We'll take them back.

493
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: We'll send over a team in your store to set

494
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: up these big marketing interactive marketing displays, and we'll we'll

495
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: take on all of the risk and all you guys

496
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: got to do is try and sell some of these.

497
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: And they went, yeah, all right.

498
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: That was a great Joe Pesci by the way, saw

499
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Joe Pecchi. So yeah, they did this in five hundred stores.

500
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: And normally, when you when you did like kind of

501
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: a soft test release of something like this, you might

502
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: choose like to Peka Kansas, or's somewhere that no one

503
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: cares about, right, But they went full bore and hit

504
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: New York City. And I think I've seen it, you know,

505
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: mentioned a few times that like it was based on

506
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: that that Frank Sinatra song, the idea that you if

507
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: you made it in New York, you could make it anywhere,

508
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: and they they did make it in New York. Oh,

509
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: I can't remember.

510
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: I want to rock one, okay, I want I want

511
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: to hear that version.

512
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: Man, I've got that MP three. It's so good. It

513
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: still holds up.

514
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: I want to rock.

515
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Twisted Sister song.

516
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: You got that MP three or MP four, I don't

517
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: know what they buy it.

518
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: I bought it at Toys r US.

519
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Very cool.

520
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: So they they didn't knock it out of the park necessarily.

521
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: They sold about half the units that they had produced

522
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: for this test market in New York. Yeah, I think

523
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: like fifty thousand, but it was enough for Yamauchi to say,

524
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: let's give this a try. Let's roll out to the

525
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: rest of the country. Another bold move because normally, after

526
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: your first test, like run your first test market, you

527
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: do like four or five more And he said, now,

528
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: let's skip that, Let's just go right to the rest

529
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: of the country. And he did.

530
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was the Christmas season too, So I

531
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: get the feeling that they were They weren't super disappointed,

532
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: but they weren't super pumped either. It felt like it

533
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: was right in that area. And it's funny looking back historically,

534
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: like it was right in that zone where it was

535
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: just enough to keep it going. And you wonder kind

536
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: of the sliding doors pathways that the gaming world would

537
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: have taken had it sold thirty thousand units, you know.

538
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I saw somebody say, like Nintendo. Had

539
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: Nintendo not been successful, like the games as we know

540
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: them today would definitely not exist.

541
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: We'd still be playing checkers like a bunch of dopes.

542
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and going outside and needs it. So that was

543
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five holiday season. By nineteen eighty six, they

544
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: hit on something else. So like one of the things

545
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: that they did was take a poll of that people

546
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: in the test market who had bought the Nintendo and

547
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: I think like the vast majority of them said that

548
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: Rob the Robot was the reason they had bought the

549
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: whole system to get that robot. That's how well that

550
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: marketing ployee worked. So Rob had kind of served as

551
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: purpose though everyone knew he was slow, they weren't releasing

552
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: more games for them, so they came up with Originally

553
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: the way you bought Nintendo, it was the Nintendo Entertainment

554
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: System console, two controllers, the zapper gun, Rob the Robot,

555
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: and all of Rob the Robot's accessories, and then two games,

556
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: one of which was gyro mighte that game you play

557
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 3: with Rob, Right, Yeah, Okay, that's a lot of stuff,

558
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: and of course it was pretty expensive at the time.

559
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: So for the national rollout, they kept the Deluxe set,

560
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: but they also came up with something called the ANS

561
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Control Deck, which was just the console, two controllers, and

562
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: very very importantly Super Mario Brothers. And that was ninety

563
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: nine bucks. And they sold those things as fast as

564
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: they could make them for the holidays that year.

565
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really can't overstate the importance of Super Mario Brothers.

566
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: That was a game that came along and with actually

567
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: with a Famicon in nineteen eighty five, and it was

568
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: just it was the most advanced looking game and playing

569
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: game that any kid had ever seen. It was as

570
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: day points out. It was the first game that you

571
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: could play and have fun playing forever. Like you could

572
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: go on and on finding the hidden worlds, finding the

573
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: easter eggs, dropping down pipes into other sections that you

574
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: and other levels that you never even knew existed, banging

575
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: away hidden bricks, like there were so many discoveries and

576
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: places to go in Super Mario Brothers. They created sort

577
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: of a new way of gaming, which was like, Hey,

578
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: how would you like to be little Josh Clark? How

579
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: but put your cigarette down? How would you like to

580
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: play a video game? The same one for the next

581
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: seven hours?

582
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Hot Dog? That's what I would have said, and that

583
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: really hot dog.

584
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: It was a whole new deal though, because even when

585
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: I played Autari, like we played for hours at a time,

586
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: but I don't know, you played a game for thirty

587
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: forty five minutes and you'd pop in another. And that's

588
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: why you had like forty games in your in your

589
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: controller box, because none of them you could play for

590
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours in a row and not

591
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: eventually be like, Okay, this is getting a little bit old,

592
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: even as a kid.

593
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the gameplay was just light years ahead of

594
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: anything I've almost every single source that I've seen on

595
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: the Internet that talks about how Super Mario Brothers change

596
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: things uses the word light years ahead, yeah, of everything else,

597
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: because it really was. There was a guy named Shigeru Miyamoto.

598
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: He designed the game very famously. He obviously became a

599
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: legend overnight because of it.

600
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: They were also smart enough to do some really savvy

601
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: marketing moves which kind of rolled out in a few

602
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: different ways. They well, they had a lot of advertising money.

603
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: That was sort of a given. They had about twenty

604
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: million bucks to spend off the bat, which is a

605
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: ton of money for advertising now and then. But they

606
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: created a call center. They trained these players and these

607
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: gamers basically to master these games and sit on the

608
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: phone and you could call a number if you got

609
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: stuck and talk to a human being that could walk

610
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: you through a level that you couldn't get through. They

611
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: had Nintendo Power magazine, which is a very big deal.

612
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: And they created the first you know, gaming championships where

613
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: and these are still just huge, you know, where kids

614
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: and adults alike. You know, now adults from all over

615
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: the world come together to battle each other out. And

616
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the very first ones were created by Nintendo with the

617
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Grand Championships at Universal Studios, Hollywood.

618
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hadn't thought about that, but yeah, you can

619
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: make the case that they created the esports phenomena. They

620
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: lead the groundwork for it to come at least, right

621
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: I would think, so, yeah, that's pretty cool. So there

622
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: was a poll of Nintendo players after the national rollout

623
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: that found that ninety five percent of teams polled said

624
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: that they recommended the nes to their friends, and I

625
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: think eighty three percent of adults and eighty five percent

626
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: of little kids. That is eye popping, and that that

627
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: means that they were successful. They used rob to get

628
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: their feet in the door, and they knew that if

629
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: they just got their console in the hands of Americans,

630
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: they would change their minds forever about video games. And

631
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened.

632
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: And they avoided the Atari mistake, which was they did

633
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: their best to try and keep bad games from being

634
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: able to play it on their system. And that's what

635
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: happened with Atari. With the games got so bad. I

636
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: mean there are hundreds and hundreds. We talked about this

637
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: in the ET game episode, like ET gets unfairly piled

638
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: upon because it was just such a big release, but

639
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: there were far worst games released on the Atari system,

640
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of really really bad games that just

641
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: no one even remembers. And Nintendo saw this play out

642
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: in America and knew that they couldn't let that happen

643
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: to them, So they designed a proprietary system where you

644
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: could only play officially licensed Anys games. It created a

645
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: lock chip on their circuit board and only Nintendo officially

646
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: licensed games or manufactured games had the lock key or

647
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: the key chip to unlock it. And that really kept

648
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: quality control, you know, under their wing. They said even

649
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: to third parties, they said, you can only make two

650
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: of these games a year, Like, don't come at us

651
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: with two hundred games, Like make something really really good

652
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: that will approve of and we will put the Nintendo

653
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: Celo of Quality on the front of the cover.

654
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like they were really nitpicky too, Like as you

655
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: were developing the game, you needed to send Nintendo like

656
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: explanations of the gameplay, the characters, the design, all that stuff,

657
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: and Nintendo would make notes and send it back and

658
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: make you change stuff. And that's what you could do

659
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: if you had eighty percent of the market as far

660
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: as video games were, because people had to come to you.

661
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: And it was really smart for them to just kind

662
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: of protect their intellectual property like that because it was

663
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: so good. But they were basically so heavy handed about it. Yeah,

664
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: that they were actually investigated by the FTC at one

665
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: point for their licensing practices.

666
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, anytime you control that much of a market,

667
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: the FTC is gonna sniff around.

668
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

669
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: And there were other companies out there trying to boo

670
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: led games still. There was one called ten Gen that

671
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: had a few license games, but they wanted more money,

672
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: and so they went to the patent office and said, hey,

673
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: can we take a look at that patent for these

674
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: lock and key chips, and they said, sure, here it is,

675
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: and so they I guess illegally because they ended up

676
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: getting sued and Nintendo won. So, I mean, I don't

677
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: know how that patent law works. I wasn't. I'm surprised

678
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: that you could just go get a patent and rip

679
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: it off.

680
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: Well, you're supposed to improve upon it. They seem to

681
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: have just ripped it off. But I think it's one

682
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: of those things that I was like, gray illegal, gray

683
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: area that wouldn't be decided anywhere outside of court.

684
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Okay, makes it, you know what I mean.

685
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they just tangan rolled the dice and they

686
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: lost essentially, Okay, I think. So, I see, I've actually

687
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: heard it both ways. I just wanted to fill it

688
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 3: out by saying the other. So there's this YouTuber named

689
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: Ninten Drew and he has a called ten Weird nes

690
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: Facts and he talks about that that key chip thing

691
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: where people were trying to get around it, and he

692
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: said other companies didn't even bother to come up with

693
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: a chip. They just used a low voltage spike to

694
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: scramble the brains of the lock chip so that it

695
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't work anymore, and now the game could be played.

696
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: And as an example, he used he used a game

697
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: from the developer tree and it was for Bible Adventures. No,

698
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: I've never even heard of it, but if you put

699
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: Bible Adventures in your NES, it would scramble its brain

700
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: so that you could play Bible Adventures.

701
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: I would think some of these might endanger the game

702
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: console itself.

703
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: You'd think, so, yeah, it's pretty pretty reckless.

704
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus killed by Nintendo.

705
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Right.

706
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Uh so Rob did not work out. Poor Rob did

707
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: its job and got its foot, the little robotic foot

708
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: in the door. But kids were like, this is not

709
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: so playing these games, these two games with Rob isn't

710
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: where it's at. It's really Super Mario and all these

711
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: other games, and so Rob, you know, Dave kind of

712
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: funnily points out Rob inevitably ended up kind of in

713
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: the closet of every kid that probably owned one, and

714
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: it just became about that NES system. But that's not

715
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: to say all those peripheries were not a success, because

716
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: that zapper and the game Duck Hunt were both big

717
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: deals that kids loved to play.

718
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did not realize this, but the laser gone,

719
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: what was it? Called the zapper. It was not. It

720
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: didn't shoot anything at your TV because if you stop

721
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: and think about it, your TV's not set up to

722
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: accept that kind of thing, or your TV screen certainly is.

723
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: So what happened instead is it was a light detector.

724
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: So when you pulled the trigger on the zapper, your

725
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: screen in just a nanosecond, maybe a little slower than that,

726
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 3: but still faster than you could register it, the screen

727
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: went and whatever ducks are on the screen turned into

728
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: white squares. And if you had the zapper pointing at

729
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: the duck when you took the shot, the zapper would

730
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: register that white flash of light that was a duck

731
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: that square, and it would register it as a hit.

732
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: That's how the zapper worked, which is pretty ingenious.

733
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: Very ingenious. And the kid thinks it's a laser gun

734
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: because they don't know how that stuff works exactly.

735
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: There is no kid who picked up the zapper and

736
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: didn't go beep beep.

737
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: All right, I guess here a minute forty, we'll take

738
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: our second break, and we'll come back and talk a

739
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: little bit about what happened next.

740
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Chuck. So there were a couple of other peripherals

741
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: that came along that were as man as Rob was,

742
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: maybe even a little Mayor. One was the power Pad,

743
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: the other was the power Glove. And again these were

744
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: things that were really cool and helped advance the any

745
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: system and made a bunch of money for everybody, but

746
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: when you played with them, they weren't very good.

747
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the power pad is was a pad. It had

748
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: another use from another company. It was called a fun

749
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: and Fitness pad from Bandai, and Nintendo bought them out

750
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: and basically repackaged it and said, hey, now you can

751
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: do like track and field games by running on this

752
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: dumb thing. And that technology is still very popular, like

753
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: if you go to arcades, those dance games, and there's

754
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: still like I played one not too long ago with

755
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: my daughter, daved Busters, where you do like track and

756
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: field stuff is still around. But at home a kid

757
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: isn't going to do like they're inside kids because they

758
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be outside running around. Yeah, they want

759
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: to be on the ca ouch. And so the power

760
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: pad didn't go so well. It ended up in the

761
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: closet with Rob almost called him a rod. And then

762
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: that glove though, the power glove, it was really cool

763
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: and it looks cool today like if imagine people buy

764
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: these just for Halloween costumes because it looks kind of neat.

765
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: But Punch Out, which is a great boxing game, Power

766
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Glove was kind of the only game where you really

767
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: maximized what you could get out of the glove, right.

768
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: I also saw there's a scene in the Fred Savage

769
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: movie The Wizard where this kid pulls out a power

770
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: Glove and plays rad Racer. So he's using it like

771
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: he's he's steering. But it just they didn't really develop

772
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: any game specifically for the power Glove, so it ended

773
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 3: up it was a little bit because they da've likens

774
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: it to WE. Eventually Nintendo came out with the WE system,

775
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: which used essentially the same kind of technology, but yeah,

776
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: it was ahead of its time, so it ended up

777
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: in the closet with the power pad and.

778
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Rob no Man clause.

779
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: It's kind full exactly, but as kind of clunky as

780
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: those were. That controller we talked about that was revolutionary.

781
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a writer, a game pro named ty K

782
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: Kim who came up with this cool analogy that they found,

783
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: which is that what Nintendo had landed on with that

784
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: controller was what Kim referenced as the language of console gaming,

785
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: and that really kind of locks it down as to

786
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: what they did. Like you know, we were talking earlier

787
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: about that first nes brick. You know, it was all

788
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of there, like they grew and morphed, but that

789
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: directional pad was revolutionary. Those buttons were revolutionary, and they

790
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: landed on the idea of a kid holding something in

791
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: their two hands and mainly using their thumbs to operate it.

792
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Thumbs and pointer fingers, I guess now, but mainly thumbs.

793
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because with the Atari joystick you would use your

794
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: thumb for the red but but you used your whole

795
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: hand to move the joystick. This was just totally different,

796
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: and it was really simple. It was really sleek. Everything

797
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: was laid out just right, and it was it was

798
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: just so perfectly made out of the gate that, like

799
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: you're saying, it just laid the groundwork for all of

800
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: the console controllers to come even today still it's based

801
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: on those.

802
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had. It didn't start there. They had it

803
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: initially on this handheld game called a Game and Watch,

804
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: which if you look this it looks like it's sort

805
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: of the predecessor to the game Boy, and it's called

806
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: a Game and Watch because it had a clock on it,

807
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: so it told told the time in it was a game,

808
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: so they call it the game and Watch. But that's

809
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: where the dpad came from. And Donkey Kong is a

810
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: game that really took great advantage of the D pad,

811
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: and it was it just seemed like the natural. And

812
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: now they make the little mini joysticks which are which

813
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: are great, but some I think the I think the Xbox.

814
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: Do they have joy stix or do they still use

815
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: that depad?

816
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, remember addicted, so I gave it up.

817
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: So you never played an Xbox?

818
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: No, No, I've seen ads for it, but I can't

819
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: recall the controller.

820
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a lot of my same friend John Pindell,

821
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: who you know. John's backstage in New York. John, he

822
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: had the N sixty four. He was my Golden Eye partner.

823
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: But he also got an Xbox and we were both

824
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: addicted to the Tony Hawk skating game for about a year.

825
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was a good game.

826
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: And that was a game that carried with you in

827
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: real life because if you played enough Tony Hawk, you

828
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: would just someone who'd never skateboarded. You would be walking

829
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: around in the world and going like I could totally

830
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: grind that gutter on top of that that roof. It's

831
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: pretty funny.

832
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: So the another thing that those controllers did was give

833
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: us the cheat code. Yeah, I guess you could conceivably

834
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: do it on like an Atari joystick. But they really

835
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: came along thanks to the NES because there was a

836
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: developer who was trying to turn the arcade game Gradius

837
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: into a Nintendo game, and it was really hard, so

838
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: he created this cheat code to make it easier to

839
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: kind of game test for him so he wouldn't have

840
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: to start over every time, and is extraordinarily famous. Up up, down, down, left, right, left, right,

841
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: be a start. And that's called the Konami code because

842
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: the guy worked for Konami and it worked for Gradius,

843
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: but he became much more famous with the game Contra.

844
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: I never I guess you played a lot of Contra probably,

845
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: huh for sure? Now what was Contra? I don't even know.

846
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: It was a really kind of groundbreaking shooter game where

847
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: I saw it described well as like a cross between

848
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: Rambo and Aliens. Ah. Okay, so if I remember correctly,

849
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: you're into some sort of weird other world and you

850
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: and your buddy are kind of like buff and where

851
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: like headbands and you have like spiky blonde hair. Oh yeah,

852
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: but and you just shoot all sorts of stuff and

853
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: it's really neat because you get different kinds of weapons

854
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: that shoot in different ways. And now you're like, this

855
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: is clunky and old, But at the time it was,

856
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: there was just again, nothing like it on the market,

857
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the games that we understand today

858
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: originated on the NES.

859
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think I've seen Contra that sounds familiar.

860
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: But if you did the up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right,

861
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: BA start with Contra, if you did it at the

862
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: intro screen right before the game started, you would get

863
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: thirty extra lives which you could use to great effect.

864
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. They ended up it's a staggering number,

865
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: still considering that they were kept a sort of a

866
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: heavy hand on the amount of games being produced, but

867
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: they ended up with close to seven hundred games for

868
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: the original NES. And I think in ninety five is

869
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: when they launched the sixteen bit No No No Super

870
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Niningenda was ninety one, and that was the one that

871
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: I guess my roommate had where I ended up playing

872
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: a lot of Super Mario and then Super Mario two

873
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: and three of course came along. We already mentioned punch Out.

874
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: That was I remember playing punch Out. That was a

875
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: great game. Mike Tyson was the biggest boxer in the

876
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 1: world at the time. But there is a little fun

877
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: fact that Dave dug up and I think I remember this,

878
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: but the arcade punch Out had a boxer. The Russian

879
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: boxer's name was Vodka drunken Ski, so great.

880
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: And he got changed to Soda Popinski very famously. Anyone

881
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: who played punch Out is very familiar with Soda Popinski.

882
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: And one of the big revelations of my childhood was

883
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: that the great tiger who wore a turban with a

884
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: gem on it. His gem flashed before he came at

885
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: you to throw a punch. When I realized that you

886
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: could pretict it, yeah, it just changed my life.

887
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: That's funny. It changed your line.

888
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: It did.

889
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: Hey, you might never become a podcaster. You never know.

890
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: It's possible. That whole glass or the sliding doors, glass.

891
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: Doors, yeah, the glass ceiling, yeah, different thing.

892
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: So what else, Chuck, There's some other ones too that

893
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: we have to shout out.

894
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'll shout out Tetris because that's a game I

895
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: played a lot on the game Boy talk about addictive,

896
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: Tetris was super addictive. I think I literally owe Tetris

897
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: to my car packing skills today when we go on

898
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: road trips and stuff, Emily, I always still jokes like,

899
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: Chuck is going to Tetris this thing. It was great.

900
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: Tetris is a very simple game. If you've never played it,

901
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: it's uh oh, I don't even know if it's worth describing,

902
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: but it's It's a game where you stacked different shaped

903
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: blocks right, and when you got solid lines, a line

904
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: would disappear, and the whole goal of this game is

905
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: to to keep those lines low. And as it built

906
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: higher and higher and higher, there was less room for

907
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: those blocks to drop, and it would go seemingly go

908
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: faster and faster.

909
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: Very yeah, especially as they just kept building up and

910
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: they're dropping then it's like it drops right onto another block.

911
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: You're up that high. It's just like you know, it's

912
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: just it is very stressful, it is, but it was

913
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: fun well.

914
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: And it's also I think one of the more satisfying

915
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: games ever invented in that when you would things would

916
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: get a little hairy, and if you got like two

917
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: in a row of the exact ones that you needed

918
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: and made I think it was a Tetris when you

919
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: got like was it like five or was it four?

920
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember, blobably four because the tallest block was

921
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: four high?

922
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: Was it four high? But it would make all four

923
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: disappear at once, And if you got a couple of

924
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: those and you went from like seventy percent high to

925
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: down to like twenty percent in an instant, there's no

926
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: feeling like that.

927
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: No, No, Tetris was pretty good. I loved it too.

928
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: It was awesome.

929
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: I want to shout out some other ones. There was

930
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: another one, Metroid, which I rented countless times for an

931
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: entire weekend from Blockbuster, and it would spend the entire

932
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: weekend with friends trying to beat it. And if I

933
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: remember correctly, I never beat Metroid. But it was really

934
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: groundbreaking in that there wasn't like some path you had

935
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: to stick to, like you were meant to explore these

936
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: vast areas and find stuff before you could advance to

937
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: the next level. That was pretty new actually, So Metroid

938
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: was groundbreaking too. And then there are other ones that

939
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: were just fun to play, like ice hockey. Did you

940
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 3: play that one.

941
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: I was always into sports games, so I was. I

942
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: played hockey and golf and what about tennis? Tennis? I

943
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: played all those.

944
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 3: It was fun. Did you play the MLB Baseball game.

945
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I played that one.

946
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: That one was very addictive. RC pro Am Ductails was

947
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: actually a lot of fun. And then there was an

948
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: army one called jack Hole. And then if you liked

949
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: skateboarding at the time, which I did, there was Skate

950
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: or Die, which was pretty good, but my money was

951
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: on Town and Country Designs Skate and Surf I think

952
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: it was called, and you could skateboard and then you

953
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: would go surf and it was a lot of fun

954
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: to play too.

955
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was so into the sports games, and I

956
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: still play the PlayStation what is it, PGA two K

957
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: for their golf game. It's still a lot of fun.

958
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: But I played. I was addicted to the Atari Beach

959
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: volleyball game, wherein it was two players aside and both

960
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: players were connected to one another. They could not move independently,

961
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: so when you're moving your joystick around, they're both running

962
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: in the exact same pattern.

963
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hilarious. That sounds. It reminds me of another

964
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: game that Dave dug up called Chase the Chuck Wagon,

965
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: which was just about as bad as it got for

966
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: atari where a dog chases the wagon from the chuck

967
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: Wagon commercials.

968
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: It's a branded game.

969
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: Poop out, Yeah, who would have thought? And then it

970
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: would poop out like food and the dog would eat

971
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: the food. That was like the point of the game.

972
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: You should speak a little bit about Zelda though, the

973
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: legend of Zelda. That's a game again that by the

974
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: time that came out, it felt like a kid's thing,

975
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: and again we couldn't afford an nes So what was

976
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: Zelda all about?

977
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: So I never liked Zeldah. It did something to my

978
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: mind or my brain that was not comfortable. I don't

979
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: know why. Wow, It's almost like have you ever what's

980
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: your grocery store? Kroger, Republics?

981
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember both, but generally publics.

982
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: Okay. So there's a lot of people out there who

983
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: are only publics and only Kroger. And I think my

984
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: theory is is that they're laid out in a certain

985
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: way that they appeal to one type of person and

986
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: then the other one appeals to a different type of person.

987
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: So if you are a public's person and you go

988
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: into a Kroger. It feels weird and out of place

989
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: and reality is just slightly askew. That's how Legend of

990
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: Zelda Baby feels. So I never got into it, but

991
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: I know some people like have essentially dedicated their lives

992
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 3: to that game, like beyond playing, it's like probably dress

993
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: up as link the main character, have like all sorts

994
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: of toys and stuff like that. Like, Legend of Zelda

995
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: was really big too.

996
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was certainly not the first open role game,

997
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: but and I think there's not a solid agreement on

998
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: what that was. There are some arguments for the Great

999
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: Atari Game Adventure that was the first open world game

1000
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: I played, right, Really, your avatar was a square, but

1001
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: it was so much fun because you could go anywhere

1002
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 1: for the first time. It was really different and new.

1003
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: But I think Zelda is kind of regarded as the

1004
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: Legend of Zelda as one of the first open world

1005
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: like really good open world games. I guess right, Yeah,

1006
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: it advanced.

1007
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 3: Ones and it was by the same guy who did

1008
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: Super Mario Brothers, so that's not surprising. Yeah, what else

1009
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: you got, Chuck, I mean, not a whole lot else.

1010
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: I guess we should. We should definitely talk about blowing

1011
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: in those cartridges, because I even made that joke before

1012
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: we recorded because my microphone wasn't working and Dave, who's

1013
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: sitting in for Jerry, said, unplug the cable and just

1014
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: plug it back in. I said, should I blow in it?

1015
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: Right? And you don't want to? Actually? So did you

1016
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: know about that? Right?

1017
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: I blew in a lot of cartridges Atari cartridges too.

1018
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: So that was the thing. If you're Nintendo cartridge didn't work,

1019
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: you would take it out of the VCR like entry

1020
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: point and you would blow on it. Everyone blew on it,

1021
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: and you put it back in and it would work.

1022
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: The thing is, it wasn't doing anything when you blew

1023
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: on it. You weren't helping it. It just hadn't made

1024
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: the correct connection the first time. So when you took

1025
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: it out and put it back in, the chances were

1026
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: that you were making the correct connection then and then

1027
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: the game would work. But you, being a dumb ten

1028
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: year old, thought, well, I blew on it, so that

1029
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: fixed it. But the Nintendo long said do not blow

1030
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: on these things. It's actually bad for them, and no

1031
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: one listened until there was this guy who came along

1032
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: and actually ran a study, the first, the world's first

1033
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: study on what blowing on a Nintendo cartridge.

1034
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: Does, and it didn't work. This is in twenty twelve.

1035
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: His name was Frankie Bitruelo. And you know it's a

1036
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: very rudimentary study, but I mean, how else you gonna

1037
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: do it. You're gonna have a control game you don't

1038
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: blow into, and you're gonna have a game you blow into.

1039
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: And after how long did he do this?

1040
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: Thirty days? Every day for thirty days.

1041
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: The guy spent a month blown on this game. Took

1042
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: this the blown cartridge out at the end and showed

1043
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: that it was. It was corroded and kind of gross.

1044
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: And it's funny, like you don't know what kid. You

1045
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: always wonder who invented this, because every kid did it,

1046
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: because every kid saw another kid do it, who just

1047
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: got it from some other kid. But it was just

1048
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of known, like you would take it out and

1049
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: it was always the same thing. You would do it

1050
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: really quick and just go and like run the cartridge

1051
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: back and forth in front of your mouth and then

1052
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: stick it back in.

1053
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that sound just triggered a tidal wave

1054
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: of nostalgia and Chuck, that was amazing. I don't remember that,

1055
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: so don't blow in your Nintendo cartridges people who still

1056
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: play Nintendo Original nes.

1057
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: Maybe should follow this up again one day.

1058
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: To do one on the music of Nintendo.

1059
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, it just sort of everything we didn't cover because

1060
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: the n sixty four was such a big deal. And sure,

1061
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, this could be a two part a

1062
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: separated by time and space.

1063
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that idea, Chuck, Let's definitely do that.

1064
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: And in the meantime, since Chuck and I just hashed

1065
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: out a second part to this episode, of course, that

1066
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: means we've just unlocked listener mail.

1067
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: Maybe next Christmas it can be our you know, because

1068
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of every year we try to do

1069
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: a toy, a famous toy.

1070
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I have the same thought. I just didn't

1071
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 3: want to spill the beans.

1072
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: Oh all right, consider them spilled.

1073
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're spilled all over.

1074
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: All right, speaking of spilling all over, this is a

1075
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: correction that on something you said that I don't know

1076
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: how I didn't catch this, but it's the we'll call

1077
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: it the Great nutter butter Controversy of twenty two. Hey, guys,

1078
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: At the end of the Vaudeville episode. Josh said, it's

1079
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: weird how there were two types of Nutter butters and

1080
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: they're totally different, the wafery kind and then the peanut

1081
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: shaped cook And I don't remember what I said. It

1082
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: must have just been like, huh, I think that's exactly

1083
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: what you said. And you mentioned both of the same logo,

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Speaker 1: same packaging, which is not true, just two different types

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Speaker 1: of peanut butter cookies. And I guess this is what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about beause we had a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: right in. The peanut shaped cookies are the Nutter butters, Josh,

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Speaker 1: but the other wafery treats are nutty buddy bars. Did

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Speaker 1: you look? Is this what you meant?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: I think this person is from an alternate Bear and

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Speaker 3: Saine Bear's dimension, because in in our dimension that there

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing, same package, same names, everything, just

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Speaker 3: different cookies.

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Speaker 1: But is the is the nutty buddy what you were

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Speaker 1: thinking of?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Is what I want to know.

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Speaker 3: In that person's dimension? Yes, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to get a mixed up guys if you

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Speaker 1: are not a true nut specialist. And Chuck didn't pick

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Speaker 1: up on it, which was weird. Because I love both.

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Speaker 1: I don't never buy these, of course, but boy, a

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Speaker 1: little Debbie Nutty bar who so good.

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Speaker 3: I think you would like the other version of Nutter Butters,

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Speaker 3: the kind of wayfer you one. I think you would

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Speaker 3: really like it.

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Speaker 1: That's the Nutty Bar or the Nutty Buddy.

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Speaker 3: No, that's the Nutter Butter. But I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, who wrote this email?

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Speaker 1: This is George. I think George is going to be

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Speaker 1: more confused now than ever.

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Speaker 3: So George says, PS, gotta go, it's raining donuts again outside.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, George. We appreciate the dispatch from your dimension.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you guys are having a happy holiday season there too.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to be like George and reach

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Speaker 3: out and say hello, you can do that in an email.

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Speaker 3: Send it to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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