WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 174 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.120 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.760 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode, So every episode 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.719 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.560 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.720 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.880 Hi, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.639 It's James today and I'm joined by Jenny Keaston, who's 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.160 a writer, activist and someone who's been in and out 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.040 of Northeast Syria for a long time working with the 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.160 women's movement, and today we're going to be talking about 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.600 the situation in North and East Syria since the fall 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.839 of the Asad regime, some of the conflict that has 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.720 been happening in a resistance of the SDF. Welcome to 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.040 the show, Jenny Eida. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.600 Yeah, First of all, it's not sure having him be 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:53.159 happy to be here. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.960 Yeah, you're welcome, of course. So I think if we 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.200 start off, people have been messaging me a lot of 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.840 various platforms about the the letter that Abdullah or Juland wrote, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.080 and I don't want to dress that in its entirety 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.959 today because we've got something coming up on that we're 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.240 going to talk to some people from the Freedom for 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.760 Abdullah your campaign, but I do want to use it 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.760 as a jumping off point because I think it a 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.240 has reminded people, as we spoke about before the show, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.840 that North and East Syria exists and the SDF exists, 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.119 which has been largely missing and like the legacy media 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.600 reporting on Syria, but b like there's been atrocious reporting 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.040 on what it means for the SDF, even though there's 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.640 a very clear answer to that. So for people who 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.760 have you been reading papers which either just ignore the 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.000 existence of the FDF entirely or speculate as to what 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.160 they're going to do when they've given a very clear answer, 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.520 could you explain to people like where this leaves the SDF. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.720 Yeah, sure, no, So thanks for that. And yeah, I've 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.080 also been gay a lot of questions about chanslater, and 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.760 I'm really glad to hear that you guys are going 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.960 to program on it because Western media wants to reverce 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.040 it in this way. It's very snazzy and there's like 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.160 bolts with the blue and something crazy is happening. Really, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.960 it's unfortunately it has to actually be talking about in 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.320 a kind of more long term and intelligent way that 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.119 sets the context and like yeah, puts that and makes 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.080 things a bit more clear, because it is something with 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.480 a background and it's connected to a lot of things, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.240 and of course that whole political process that a Jan's 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.320 recent statement is a part of. It's going to affect 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.399 the situation here in northern East Siria because the situation 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.520 here a lot of the time depends on the actions 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.480 of the Turkish state and on expansion. It is on 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.040 an aggression from there, and so as the political situation 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.560 shouldn't changes, it will affect that. What it is not 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.920 is like a call or a statement that means that 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.079 the SDF has to lay down their arms and started 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.480 this thing. This is for several reasons, absolutely not what 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.680 it is. The main one of those being that the 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.400 SDF is not and never has. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:57.799 Been the. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.760 And that's something that they've tried many times over the 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.000 years to make it very clear, but unfortunately hasn't always 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:09.240 been like heard and acknowledged. And so whatever this statement 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.000 means that you guys will go into that in your 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.160 program whatever it is for the PKKA. But the situation 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.320 is not fair to stand. It's a different situation here, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.520 and so the SDF is in a moment of like 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.120 a big question and a big change. But it's much 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.000 more to do with what's been happening in Syria politically, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.760 and to do with the government and the interim government 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.680 had said, yeah, government that installed themselves here, and the 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:37.200 regime games, and of course the ongoing war and situation 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.200 of invasions that they're facing. So there's a lot of 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.600 big questions for the SDF. But I think it's important 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.120 right now that we don't kind of confuse and misunderstand 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.320 but this sort of parallel process that's going on. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.680 Yeah, definitely, And I think if people are hearing this 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.960 and you're new to the show, this is your first 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.760 time hearing the sea of acronyms that is the Ish 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.880 freedom movement. Academic you to The Women's War, which is 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.800 a series that Robert made. I have a book but 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.800 you can't read it yet, still editing it, or you 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.520 could listen to one of our numerous other if you 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.640 search for a Java or Northern East Syria or Syria 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.160 in our feed. I'm sure you'll find a lot to 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.520 explain those acronyms to you. But yeah, we've had this 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:20.920 situation right where since December, the situation in Syria has 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.480 drastically changed and we now have two state actors. Well, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:26.960 we have lots of stay active. We always had lots 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.280 of state actors intervening in Syria, but we have this 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.039 new state actor in the Syrian state, right and I 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:37.440 think people if they're you know, if they're like reading 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.400 the New York Times or god forbid, seeing Charles Lister, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.120 then that they'll have a certain vision of this that 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.760 sort of exempts the SDF. It sort of just ignores 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.880 this whole area of Syria and says like, oh, well, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.239 the Syrian Revolution has succeeded. I think we should address 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:57.920 like what has happened to the SDF to northern East 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.640 Syria since the collapse of the said regime in December. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.880 Yeah, so obviously what's happened toy Syria in northan As 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.160 Syria and t SDF is very connected to the whole 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.960 overall Syria process. And you're right when you hear the 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.400 reporting on it, I think lots of parts of it 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.960 can get erased in kind of depending who's talking and 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.520 what their angle is or whatever. There are a lot 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.479 of things left out, not just the Kurds in north 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.719 of Eassyria, but other minority ethnic groups or like women 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.080 organizing across Syria, like all of these things. It's a 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.279 very complex situation, which I won't pretend I can completely 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.560 lay out and summarize for everyone in five minutes. But yeah, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.440 what you did have was the culmination the end of 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.599 a period and a massive change when as you say, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.880 there was a regime change, there was a change of government, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.200 and that happened with this like offensive sweeping down from 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.640 Idland to Damascus, succeeding in taking over the government in 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.599 Damascus from the Asad family, which was the end of 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.280 a sixty one year brain which caused absolute jubilation, say 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.479 to say, all across Syria, and that includes where I 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.279 am and lone from Syria because anyway, just yeah, people 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.120 were very happy and celebrating. But also there were cities here. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.120 When you look at the map and you see this 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.080 like sending autonomous region, what you had to understand was 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.840 that there were actually within the cities, there were neighborhoods 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.760 and sections that were still under the ASAD government. It 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.680 wasn't as simple as like the whole city is in 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.719 the autonomous administration. So here as well, even there were 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.239 still statutes of a Sad and people took the streets 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.440 and tore them down, and really close to actually where 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.120 I'm recording this today, there's a roundabout where they took 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.960 down the statue of a Sad and it's been replaced 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.880 by pictures of the martyrs of people who have fallen 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.120 fighting for the autonomy of the region here and fighting 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.520 for their political system. So you know, it's very very beautiful. Yeah, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.880 people celebrated and more happy with a qualifier, with a 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.040 very big qualifier, you know. So that jails opened as 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.520 well and the flags went up, and yeah, it was 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:02.800 a real moment of jubilation, celebration. But unfortunately the force 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.080 which eventually succeeded in toppling a Sad and installing itself 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.840 as the now as they're saying that interim or transitional 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.360 government Syria, you know, we can say it was not 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:19.280 one of the many like progressive democratic alternative forces that 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.040 originally in the uprisings weakepped the A SAD government. Yeah, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.240 back in twenty and eleven. Since then, things have changed, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.600 and isn't a podcast directly about that. I'm sure you 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.520 guys speak about it as well at other times, but 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.720 instead what you have is HTS, who are kind of 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.240 conglomerate militia of these different militia groups. There's another acronym 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:40.640 for you there names I. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.040 Think, yeah, three languages acronyms. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:50.280 Pointing people to resources is always very useful. And they 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.120 are kind of mixed up amalgamation of different militias who 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.480 are operating in Syria. And what's crucial to say about 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.160 them is that they're you know, their political back and 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.240 a perspective. A lot of people in these organizations are 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.720 like really really similar unfortunately and all too familiar to 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.880 the people here who fought against ISIS, the Islamic State, 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:15.120 because they're coming from similar backgrounds, and also to al 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.960 Qaeda and the organizations who were kind of the Syrian 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.560 branches of al Qaeda. But like, I've played a really 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.560 direct role in finding HTS and they want to now 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.320 sort of put on a new face, put on a suit, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.160 go out and shake the world's had it and become 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.440 world statesmen from the government, which unfortunately it looks like 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.080 all of our governments are all too willing to very 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.559 quickly accept. And we'll get in a minute we can 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.240 talk a bit specifically about the roles that and almost 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.120 your listeners are in the States, so that the American 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.840 government has been playing here. But yeah, so there's a 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.080 big qualifier on how much people are celebrating because of 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:54.520 the very dodgy history and the real like threat the 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.640 xts's politics holds unfortunately, particularly for ethnic minorities, on women, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.560 and they're established their power and it's by no means 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.320 a kind of non violent or peaceful process, and there's 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:11.040 a lot of tensions flaring up with a lot of problems. However, yes, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.520 it is the case that in a lot of Syria, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.760 the majority of Syria outright like warfare on the ground 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.360 as for an asstop because there's one group have taken 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.280 power and so we're in a different moment, we're in 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.120 a different kind of process. So what's different up here, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.560 what's different up in the north and East, and what's 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.760 not being discussed as much. And the point that I'm 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.760 often trying to make, what I'm trying to write articles 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.560 and doing interviews at the moment is that like actually 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.320 the war in the whole Syria has not completely stopped. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.200 YEA mostly yes, you can say in most regions, but 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.320 significantly here in northern Eastyria. It's not just that there 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.800 is still classes or flare ups between different groups like 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.240 there might be in other regions. There is like a 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.240 full scale invasion, a ground invasion with air support that 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.240 has also been going on. Yeah, and that was tied. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.240 Where has that come from? Like what is that? Ones 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.520 that look like this is another group another history letter 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.520 had drill in for you. But the important thing to 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.120 understand is that this offensive was tying to coincide with 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.520 the HCS takeovers. Also has a lot of links with 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.880 the Perkish state, and I wouldn't I personally would bot 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.679 those with bars to say that that government is a 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.440 Turkish public government or that the relationship is that direct. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.480 But there is a relationship there and what you saw 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.120 when they kind of successfully went on the offensive was 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.520 at the same time, other armed groups which operate are 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.640 kind of loosely affiliated and mostly operating on a mercenaries 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.120 of a paid basis rather than being kind of ideologically 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.720 driven or whatever, but are affiliated under the name the SNA, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.280 the Syrian National Army, which is even more confusing because 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.360 they're not and were never the National Army of Syria 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.440 what they are. And yet these paid militias, which yeah, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:59.000 we can describe if he might describe as hard as gangs, mercenaries, 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.959 et cetera, et cetera, and it kind of depends that 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.120 it's like a mix of different forces. What's very important 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.960 there is the very close relationship that they have with 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.920 the Turkey state that essentially the Turkish government has made 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.559 the choice that it wants to continue its aggression and 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.480 its expansionism onnotany Syria, and other than immediately sending their 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.960 own army, they instead pay and fund and direct and 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.680 support these militias who are also operating for their own benefit. Yes, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.080 but the relationship between them their actions right now in 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.319 the Turkish state, it's much more direct. So at the 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.840 same time as you have this this sweep to the 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.120 south that caused the Regimi change in Syria, heading to 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.200 the east, so to originally the reason Zeppa, followed by 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.400 the city at Mindage in the region around there, you 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.840 have this onslaught from the essay and that is what 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.560 the SDF, if you originally mentioned, are currently up against. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.800 And that's the situation that we're in and it's it's 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.040 still ongoing. It's very much not stopped. It's still much 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.800 very much like hot engagement and hot fighting that is happening. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.679 Yeah, And it's like sometimes to introduce your other econom 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.480 we use like TFSA to refer to some of those groups, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.920 like the Turkish Free Syrian Army, and that they're essentially 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:07.760 an operation by the Turkey state to co oper to 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.640 what was initially a democratic grassroots revolution more than a 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.520 decade ago. And like, if you haven't been following, I 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.520 suppose it would be easy to be confused by this, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.880 But the SNA have not been backwards in documenting their 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.439 war crimes in the advance towards I guess their advanced 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.199 westwards towards the Euphrates and even over the Euphrates, and 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.360 there have been some really horrible things, some of them, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.960 like I've shared online if people want to. They're not 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.360 hard to find if you want to find them, but 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.800 are not going to put them right in front of you, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:43.000 because they're horrible. And as the SNA have advanced, they've 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.360 reached a couple of locations that are very crucial, right, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.040 and that's where they've been kind of stopped by the SDF, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.880 because the SDF haven't been in like such a large 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.160 sale conflict for the last couple of years. They've been 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.880 fighting against like Islamic State splinter cells and to a degree, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.440 the SNA. But like the SDF has modernized a lot 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.920 more than the SNA have, I guess in the past years, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.840 right that they've embraced the use of first person view drones. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:15.040 They've even shut down several Turkish Biractar drones, which they 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.320 previously if they had the ability to do it then 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.199 then they weren't able to use that ability until very recently. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.000 So like they in a sense, their resistance has been 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.199 very impressive, right because we have, on the one hand, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.480 it's the second largest army in NATO giving its like 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.880 full support to the SNA, and on the other hand 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.000 we have the FDF, which is interior US partner force. Right, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.000 there are US bases still in Syior, there are US 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.360 troops still in Syria, well yeah for now, But like 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.960 I mean, I remember when I was in Java in 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:52.599 October twenty twenty three, the US shot down a Biractar 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.520 drone over a US base and then it did not 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.520 shoot down the dozens of other Biractar drones that were 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.360 bombing the cities the city that you're in right now, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.480 city that I was in, other cities. You know, I 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.880 met a mother who had lost her fourteen year old 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.920 son to one of these dwined bombings. Really like horrific 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.960 and just cruel bombing of all of very clearly civilian targets. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.360 So like, the US is there, but they're not doing 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.600 anything to help supposedly their friends, supposally their partners. And 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.120 like every interview I conducted began with like five minutes 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.440 of me being asked why the Americans weren't being friends 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.120 when the SDF had been friends to them in a 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.800 battle against ISIS, And like, that's not something I have 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.160 a good explanation for, other than like I think most 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.960 Courtish people can understand the difference between people and government 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.120 and people and state, and like I might have a belief, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.600 but it's not the same as the government of the US. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.360 So can you explain the role of the US here 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.120 because people will be very confused, right, And I think 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.480 it's easy to sort of simplify this as like America 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.880 is in Syria for oil, but there's a little bit 0:14:58.920 --> 0:14:59.720 more to it than that. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:04.480 Right, yeah, absolutely, And again it's it's such a big question, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.640 and it's a question of how far back do you go? 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:12.600 How far do you zoom out? Sense keep As you 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.480 keep moving back from today, the plot kind of thickens 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.000 and as you you know, if you imagine if you're 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.000 looking at the Google maps of Steria and then you 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.600 you click the button that takes you out and out, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.800 and the map gets wider and wider, the story kind 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.440 of fills itself in as well. Like that seems to 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.960 make more sense when they are put in that context. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.600 And I think a good place to start maybe is Yeah, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:44.600 this consistent for a long time, like American attitude to 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.760 this whole region, not just Sylia, which is to play 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:53.480 yet to play very carefully to your advantage and make 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.840 alliances where it suits you and continue to where it 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.360 suits you and not stick to them where it doesn't. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.080 And that is Yeah. One aspect of that is the resources, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.960 which goes further than just oil, is also gas and 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.880 is also the resource of the space to create a 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.720 trade route, right, Like, that's a really important question in 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.040 the Middle East at the moment, and it's one of 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.240 the reasons that Kurdistan is such an important place politically, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:22.280 a lot of these lines of potential trade routes and 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.920 these kind of lines of power and money they intercept 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.120 and they cross over here. So there are all these 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.160 different resources at play. And I think another thing that's 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.600 important to look at is that, yeah, the US as 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.640 the US government as you put it, as distinct from 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.640 the citizens in anyway, doesn't just go into this blind 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.200 and kind of react day by day. It's not like 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.720 a reactive force in the world. The US government is 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.960 and would you know, proudly announced I think as well 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.360 with Creey thing on this one point that they are, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.560 no matter who the administration is and where it's politically 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.000 leaning at the time, a very proactive force. They have 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.560 a plan where that they go and they try and 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:04.440 put it into practice. And famously, historically and very intensely, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.120 a lot of that has played out in the Middle 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.879 East because of the Middle East position in the world 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.920 resources and the role that it's played in kind of 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.320 who gets to be the big dog in the world 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.400 over the years and throughout history, it's become for those 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:31.800 various reasons that very important. And so yeah, again without 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.639 it's many podcasts of its own, and I'm sure you 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.600 are making them, So I won't try and like summarize it, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.359 but I think you can't talk about America's role in 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.960 Syria and the Middle East in general without mentioning like 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.359 Israel and the role Israeli state place for for and 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:52.560 with America and things like. You know, we're all sort 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.720 of following and for you guys following more closely because 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.919 we're all following the current Americans administration and leadership and 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.400 what's been coming out of there. And sometimes you think, like, God, 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.199 is it just not when you look at something like 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.399 you know, the video for like the new Gaza that 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.080 they're going to make, for example, and Trump's Gaza whatever 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.080 that was. Yeah, yeah, So I mean it makes it sick. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 And then you're also not sure if it's it's serious 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:22.840 or if it's mad. But I think unfortunately it's actually, Yeah, 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.200 it's quite an intelligent play. And what it speaks to 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:26.920 that is relevant to what I'm saying here is this 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.639 kind of long term flat right that to annihilate a 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.679 region to the best of your ability so that you 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.440 can move in and develop it. Yeah, is a tried 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.399 and tested method of many many governance, and America is 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.719 not the only one. But at the moment we're at 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.600 kind of crucial moment in the Middle East when one 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.720 sort of wall of forces are trying to greatly reduce 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.760 the role and power of some others so that they 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.040 can put their plan into place and so that they 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.919 can yeah, they can, so they can make money. You know, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.359 you always were following money and where development can be 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.240 made and where trade routes can be made. And so 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.040 what happened the tiny of the regime change that we've 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.760 just discussed, the timing of HDS being able to move 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.680 into the Masters and take it over. It's no coincidence 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.840 that it came after like a shift in the Israeli 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.480 like genocidal war on Gaza, and after what the then 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.200 military action they were taking against Tesbola in Lebanon, which 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.960 they felt then had up to a point achieved what 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.160 they wanted to achieve, and then things kind of moved 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.360 to Syria. Right, So I'm not saying that the new 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.959 government has kind of come from has been sponsored by 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.320 that at all. I think there's a huge amount of 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.560 tension there. But the withdrawal of like the weakening and 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.920 or withdrawal of forces to Iran and Hezbela here played 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.080 a huge role with then being able to establish themselves 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.040 as a government. So that is also something that you 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.920 know that's not directly necessarily every step sort of kind 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.560 of puppeteered by the US at all, but it is 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.879 a part of the politics that the US has kind 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:03.320 of long historical influence on and that it backs and 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.639 that it's in conversation is in the whole of the 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.720 Middle East. It's this kind of greater Middle East plan, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.639 it's vision for it, if you if you will. And 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.360 the other aspect that I think is important to talk 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.399 about is the US's relationship with North and Eastria specifically 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.120 you mentioned they're like, you know, there's like supposed friendship 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.399 with we can say that like friendship with the Kurds 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.879 as people will refer to it. Or the alliance and 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:32.160 coalition between the SDF and the US, which was sort 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.240 of most most famous and most well known during the 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.840 fight against isis when the international coalition, it's always the 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:44.639 spearheaded by America, was bombing and providing air support for 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.080 the SDF as the as they pulled it. The boots 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.679 on the ground, the actual brand force that could go 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.440 and take territory back from Isis, which yes, did look 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.679 like a kind of did look like a friendship. But 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.679 I think from both sides, everyone always that that was 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:05.560 a practical alliance, perhaps perhaps a strategic alliance at best. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.560 We can say, but I think that the US has 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.159 not got a history of operating on a basis of 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.840 like friendship or of that kind of commitment to the 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.159 forces it works with, and a lot a lot of 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.919 history and modern recent history can attest to that. And 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.560 from the side of people here, I think it's really 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.520 important to say that, yeah, people were angry, and that 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.119 you know what you heard you were talking about interviewing 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:29.800 people and then kind of being like, well, what are 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.399 they doing? Like we we fought all with them, partly 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.760 on their behalf like and then they deserve Yes, people 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.280 are angry, but the more kind of politically engaged someone 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.080 is sort of moving up that scale, I think the 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.399 less face they ever had in the US. 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:43.920 Yeah. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.520 So, and now you've got the US kind of muttering 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.600 about withdrawing their troops from Syria, right yah, And as 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.440 Daja who because they said this before, I was actually 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.120 here when they said this reportant back in twenty nineteen. 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.920 I also have be in northern East Syria, and it 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.920 was I'm not wrong, it was Trump again. If I 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.560 turned out and they said we were drawing our forces 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.800 from Syria, did they actually withdraw Not exactly. No. You 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.400 still saw them driving around in big cars, mostly right 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:15.919 next to the oil fields. It was a bit it 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.399 was almost tomical, sort of like when party and parts 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.960 next to the oil fields. But that withdrawal was symbolic. 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.919 That withdrawal was they withdrew from bases right on the 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.199 border with Turkey, which lies just to the north of 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.960 Syria and as such just next to north of Eassyria 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.440 for anyone without the about the map immediately in their head, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.879 and they announced it very very clearly and very publicly, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:41.320 and so it was a kind of it was a 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.840 green flag to say to Turkey, yeah, coming on, you come, yeah, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.240 we're not going to stop you. We're not gonna because 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.840 what you don't want to do is hit an American 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.040 by accident, as you gave the examples. They you know, 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:52.639 they brought down a drum, but it was over an 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.000 American base, not because it was bombing civilians nearby, which 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.480 dozens of other were, And so that you had that 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.400 kind of symbolic withdrawal led to in twenty nineteen. It's 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.560 one of the times that Turkey has like annexed section 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.639 es centrally annexty section of Syria North and East Syria 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.000 under the remit of the Autonomous Administration, but nonetheless still 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.960 technically Syrian territory. And in that time it was sarah 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.679 Kanya and Gerrispi, which people may have heard of, and 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.000 so that, yeah, that was the like green flag to 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.960 Turkey to take that step. And at that time, yeah, 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.800 maybe share. It's a lot of a lot of political stuff, 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:30.359 a lot of acropins, a lot of all this and 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.280 maybe I'll just SHAREO be anecdote. Yeah, at that time 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.440 when they made the announcement they were going to leave, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:40.000 people organized a march to an American base, and I 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:41.480 was here at the time and I joined it with 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.440 some of the women's organizations. It was the most amazing day. 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.119 Like I sort of went home and wrote this massive 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.760 journal antique. I've already been here for a very long time, 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.000 but my mind was still a bit blown by it. 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.639 For one thing, it was such an example of how 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.800 the social movement here works and what society is like 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.960 in all the complexity, because yeah, a lot of people 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:07.840 here are very wedded to the liberatory, progressive, grassroots democratic 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:12.280 women's freedom ecological movement that I'm sure you've spoken about 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.760 in your programs on Rashava, and thousands and thousands of 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.800 people completely take ownership of that and see themselves in 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.960 that and are the driving force of that. Obviously, that 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.800 doesn't mean every single person here is one hundred percent 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.280 sold on movement at all. Yeah. 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:27.040 Some of them are trying to get on with life. 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:28.600 Some of them just trying to get on with life. 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.040 Some of them are you know, I mean, if you 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:32.840 talk about women's freedom, there's always going to be really 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:34.680 few men or a bit like what does this mean 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.320 for me? What do I have to give up? So 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.400 it would be sick, it would be silly and new 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.399 topics to say that everyone's talk we sold. However, nobody 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.639 wants to get invented by one of the largest armies 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.440 in NATO. Yeah, so you have this sort of actually 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.800 even broader than usual kind of coming together, like groups 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.440 from the sort of like tribal clan structures here that 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.200 are still like a really political force, and that don't 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.000 you know, have a kind of uneasy truth and sort 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.920 of slowly learning each other. Relationship with the movement, you 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.520 can say, but they really came out in force as 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.640 well as well as like the Curdish movement as well 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.880 as like lots of different ethnic groups. And we marched, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:17.600 and to be honest, I didn't know we were going 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.119 through an American based A lot of people didn't. It 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.080 was quite confusing days because I think they didn't want 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.919 to announce things too widely until they got there and 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:26.520 we went and did this kind of the Yeah, they 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.959 like read out a letter symbolically. I think in some 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.800 of the Arabic community leaders went up to the base 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.080 and we the majority of people. There's got hundreds of 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.160 hundred of people in this crowd, and they stayed back 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.960 at a distance. And I found out later that that 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.040 is because the American soldiers said, if two bigger groups 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.000 of people come close, we will we will open fire. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.040 Like that that information was given. Yeah, I don't know 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:48.919 what they were scared of. 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:49.119 You know. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.399 It's like like any march here, the people in the 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:52.639 front row are always ranks. 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.520 Yeah, yeah, it's old ladies. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.080 No different on that day. I mean they're a bit scary, 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:00.600 to be said. I don't think that it's a bit 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.199 embarrassing if the American soldiers would keep together them but 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.960 that stuff of it's judge. But while we were there 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.439 by like your chance, the fleet of not tacks but 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.240 big armored cars rolled in and there was just this 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:19.240 moment I really clearly remember, just pause, and they rolled 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.320 through the crowd, and the crowd parted and turned and looked, 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:27.639 and nobody teared or clapped. Obviously there was no sense 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.200 of oh, it's the Americans, right, yeah, but nobody sort 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.399 of through you know, for anything else, through insults or 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.520 chanted anything negative either. There was just this stillness and 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.680 this really helpable energy of this kind of sense of 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.840 people looking at you know, obviously they're just these soldiers 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.560 that happened to be driving these trucks, but they really 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.919 symbolized something more than that. And people were kind of 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.800 looking sort of insisting that you looked them in the eye, 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.840 saying like, hey, if anyone owes anyone, you owe us. 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.639 After everything we fought for and everything we've. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:04.560 Done, I have thirteen thousand marches. They were called exactly. 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.480 Yeah, so many people lost in the fight isis and 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.360 so much like blood and sweat and fears given, and 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.800 there was just yeah, this palpable sense of like, at 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.040 least have the decency to kind of look at us 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.480 and admit what you're doing, because you know what you're doing. Yeah, 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.080 and it really yeah, it really felt it was very 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.119 kind of moving at the time, and that I feel 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.080 like it's very symbolic into politics here of how you know, 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:29.719 someone asking the other day what was it like for 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.880 people to rely on America knowing that they'd betrayed them, 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.439 And I said, well, they didn't, they never relied on them. 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:37.200 Yeah, I know I was relying on aera. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.520 Yeah, but you know, there's that kind of the expectation 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.119 of at least some sense of dignity. That is a 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.920 very important concept for people here in dignity and yeah, 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.520 so yeah, that that is I always remember that that 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.200 would yeah say again, and it's confusing. That was five 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.520 five and a half years ago. Now, yeah, and now 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.200 you've got this sort of is history repeating itself talking 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.320 about with the troops. But I think it's important to 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.440 understand what that means. What that means is they're talking 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.760 about potentially giving a greed of blag for more military aggression, 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:09.920 and I think they kind of haven't decided yet. It's 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.760 really going to do it, and there's a lot of 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.879 things in the balance, and in terms of I'll just 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.200 say one more, one more thing, and I think gets 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.680 a bit longer in terms of like the plan for 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.320 Syria and America's role, like this is my opinion. I 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.320 can't say for sure that this is the definite reality, 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.600 but my understanding in the situation is that once again 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.040 people here in this in this movement are kind of 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.320 caught between a rock and a hard place. And the 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.479 rock and the hard place now looks like You've got 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.760 the new government that set itself up in Damascus, Yes, 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.680 and their goal, if they can wangle it and get 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.400 the outside and international support, is to build your sort 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.200 of socially at least, if not politically, the model is 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.440 going to look a bit like Afghanistan and the Colabat, right, 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.959 Like from the signs of changes they've made to the constitution, 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:06.160 incidents of like violence, sectarianism and feminist side of been rising, 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.720 attacks they've already made on women's rights like very rapidly, 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.440 and things that have been put in like the president 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.520 that legally has to be in Muslim all of this stuff, right, Yeah, 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.400 that's sort of their plan. But on the other hand, 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.120 I think if you kind of let the American government 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.440 loose on Syria to build up its plan. At the moment, 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.280 I think they are seeing an opportunity to use this 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.000 kind of formula from Iraq into and I think they 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:36.600 want to create this sort very open to capitalist market 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:41.120 who trade kind of space in which the North and 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.360 East area with majority though not entirely Curtis, can sort 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.600 of play this role that the Kurdistan region of Iraq 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:47.400 has played. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.520 I don't know what you call it, like a safe 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.040 conduit to capital. Like it's a very stark difference. If 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.400 people haven't traveled that part of the world to be 0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.840 in pol a Bill and then to us into Java, 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:05.000 that you can see the impact that a decade of 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.000 that being the safe place to have your oil company 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:20.360 headquarters has had on the Ghatstan regional government. Yeah, I've 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.520 better move on before we finish up. I want to 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:28.120 talk about the current manifestation of resistance right and specifically 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.920 at Tishrin Dam, because that's something that A has been 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.840 reported on and B like it mirrors what you saw 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.640 in twenty nineteen, and that like it's not just a 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.480 military resistance, right, but also like a civil sized society resistance. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.960 Can you explain maybe if people have seen anything, they've 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.920 seen that horrible video of people dancing and then SNA 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.120 drone just dropping a mortar bomb right in the middle 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.640 of them, But can you explain how we got there? 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.080 Yeah, of course, now, yeah, great, I'm glad you asked that, 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.200 because in some sense they know there is horrible stuff 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.360 in there. But this is the this is the beautiful bit, 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.880 this is the great bit, the bit that, yeah, we 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.800 soon be talking about at the moment. So, yeah, the 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.320 Tissuing Dam is a big tydro electric facility that is 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.400 on the Euphrates River. And if you look at a 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.800 map Asia, Euphrates is kind of in the middle of 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:21.960 the top and that is the region roughly where there's 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.120 offensive that we spoke out of the Turkish funded militias, 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.000 which has come from from the west across to the east, 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.320 at times closer and further away from the river, and 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.960 currently like a few kilometers away, that's where that offensive 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.280 has been stopped by the FDA and cannot progress any 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:43.200 further despite intensive air support from Turkey, and they're sort 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.960 of increasingly putting pressure on that, but it hasn't got anywhere. 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.480 But it's close, right, you know, it's not too far away, 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.840 and people are following the news. And what's right on 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.040 the other side. If you get across the river there 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.000 there's the dam, and then there's a bridge further to 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:58.160 the north of Krakos at bridge that's similarly kind of crucial. 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.640 And if you get across the river, you're not far 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.720 away at all from the city of Kabani, which I'm 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.800 sure most of your lessons will parad off. Is this 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.200 massively important symbol of anti fashion resistance. It was one 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.960 of the ignition points of the revolution for the social 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.960 movement here and it was really important a plight against Isis. 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.640 And I think it's safe to say that Turkey via 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.920 the SNA had its eye on Cabani again and that 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.720 this is in fact an attack on Kabani, which has 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.200 been kind of held back. And so the Dan is 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.520 important symbolically as this like strategic river crossing. It's this 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.120 kind of no pass that are like they will not 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.800 pass moment. It's also important logistically, like for the society 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.880 here because it's a hydroelectric facility. It supplies electricity, helps 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.479 with the supply of water for various reasons. For thousands 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.280 and thousands of people. It's now out of action, might 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:50.880 go without saying, but when you're in the middle of 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.480 an active war zone, you can't keep running a place 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.480 like that. So that is directly attacking and impacting the 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:01.520 society and normal communities here, and so yeah, it's no 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.880 wonder that those normal communities and that society but always 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.600 feel very very implicated and are kind of ready to 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.960 to stand up and defend themselves. It's not as Yeah, 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.760 the military assault is not kept separate from the society 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.200 in the society is also under attatch indirectly attacks on 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.800 infrastructure such as that, and directly by like drone strikes 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.280 on many many civilian targets. Unfortunately, Yeah, in recent times 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.800 that has increased, particularly in villages surrounding Banni, and you 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.520 seem like kids also hospitalized and killed as a part 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.880 of that. So on the eighth of January, what began 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.280 was that what they call a convoy, like a big 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.360 big trek of different vehicles got together and arranged and 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:48.160 organized from different towns across Anotomy Syria to go to 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.840 Kishin dam As. This very like the day symbol is 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.360 very clear like important physical location and also very symbolic 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.200 thing where war has also been fought before. There's also 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.800 in previous campaigns against for example, there was fighting in 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.600 the regions, so people feel like, you know, their sons 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.160 and daughters have fought for diffree river crossing before. It's 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.360 still you know, it's there in the historical memory as well. Yeah, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.840 and people went and since then, which is almost exactly 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.200 two months as we're recording this, we're right around the 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:20.320 two months anniversary months and there's been a constant presence 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.000 there protests on the dam and that's got several different 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.520 kind of aspects to it. It is mostly to raise 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:31.160 the voices and raise awareness and make visible what's happening. 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.880 And yeah, if it's hard to understand why like hundreds 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:39.000 of people would go from their homes to somewhere that 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.400 is closer to the active fighting, to somewhere that's in 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.960 a very unstable region, Like yeah, first of all, you 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.879 have to understand that nowhere in notedly Syria is actually sick, 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.120 right like in Commas, for the city where I am, 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.360 there's been residential buildings bombs dropped on them from drones 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.839 like within the last couple of months as well. It's 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.120 not like and there's this sense of safety wherever you are. 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.560 The difference is a sense of doing something about and 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.319 of standing together and coming together in these like amazingly 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.360 brave and amazingly creative ways that only the communities have 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.239 not in Assoria can manage. So Yes, Unfortunately, during these 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:15.360 two months there have consistently been air strikes on the dam, 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.880 and I don't have the exact statistics, and you wouldn't 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.000 necessarily get an honest answer about how many of them 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.319 have come directly from Turkey and how many have come 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.319 from SNA drones, right, but the Sena drunes are paid 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.400 for by the Turkis state anyway, So at the end 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.520 of the day, yea morally, how much difference does it make? 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.799 And they have attacked the civil protests there and up 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:42.160 until now, I believe twenty five civilians have been killed 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.880 and many more than that hospitalized. But despite this, and 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.680 in the shadow of this, with the most beautiful defiance 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.719 like that, protest has continued. And what the videos that 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.759 maybe don't get shared as much or shared enough that 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.000 people might not have seen are also these images you know, 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.480 which are very I can attest are very real because 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.279 I went there myself a few weeks ago, which is 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.600 everybody getting out and dancing at the slightest opportunity or 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.080 the slightest excuse, lack of an excuse, and the most 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.560 amazing art that's been made, like paintings of the people 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.720 who've been killed, or they would say here fallen martyr. 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:21.160 In these two months, Yes, there's been theater, like theater 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.840 performed using the bits of the bombed out cars that 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.120 were bombed just a few days before as props to 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.360 kind of like, yeah, tell the story of what's been happening, 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.040 like the most like creative things. Also statements for the press, 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:37.560 and all your different organizations show ups, so like the 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.600 organized youth show up as the youth, and obviously the 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.880 women's organizations as women saying like, you know, this is 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:48.000 our revolution, this is our community, and we know what 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:49.880 it looks like when it gets occupied. We're not just 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.040 going to stand by and see it happen again. It's 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.400 our land, it's our water, and it's our kids. Is 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.879 the refrain that kind of gets repeated over and over again. 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.680 And of course they're they're in solidarity as well with 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.520 the with the SDF themselves, with the military force. It 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.480 would be it would be crazy if they weren't, because yeah, 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.920 they are also embedded in their communities. No, they're not 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.279 extracted from the society the way that most kind of 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:14.719 state armies are. So yeah, the situation at Tiswine is 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.759 still ongoing, and when I was there, it was it 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.440 really was the most amazing experience. There were bombings while 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.759 I was there, and tragically, one of the people I 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.640 got to know there who was a journalist, his name 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.880 was Eggy Brush. Just less than two weeks after I 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.200 got back, I found out that he'd also been killed 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:32.520 in another drawne strike. 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.880 So it was, Yeah, it's. 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.440 Very very just kind of doesn't it doesn't stop, the 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.480 aggression doesn't stop, but nonetheless people kind of coming together 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.719 to resist it doesn't stop either. And once I'd been there, 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.400 it seemed a lot less crazy or hard to imagine 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.280 that people would come together around it because you see 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.799 like the immense power that it was, and you see 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:58.360 that how everyone here has lost someone. Know, like the 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.160 vast majority of people here lost members of their family. 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.720 You said yourself, thirteen thousand fallen in the fight against 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:08.040 Isis alone, and since then, like war one way or 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.400 another has been going on. So people know what lost 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.440 means already they've already lost, but they're not going to 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.040 let that make them step back. They're gonna do their 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.680 fall and loved ones justice and continue to stand up 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.719 in their name. And yeah, it's a very sort of 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.680 big thing, but it's really powerful when you see it 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.279 in person and and all that kind of humanity and 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:31.840 humor and joy despite the situation. 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.280 Yeah, no, that is a very unique thing to courts 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.359 down And like the Kurdish freedom movement, it's this sort 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.000 of joy. I mean, I've think it's very similar in 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.279 Burma rightly, where they also do they love to dance, 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.640 oh well in a war, and like it is one 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.120 of the things that I think, like the joy. It 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.719 is hard to explain and I was sort of writing 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.399 long on time here, but I just like when people 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.239 hear Syria and to exemp when they hear me and 0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.560 mad or they'll think of wars. But like you should 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.200 also think about all the people who exist outside of 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.520 the conflict, or who don't think this outside of it. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.319 It's around word, but who who are not fighting at 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:13.799 the front line. Like the experience of revolution is very 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.320 joyful one even amidst very difficult times, and it's difficult 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.040 to explain it if you haven't experienced it, because it 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:24.279 sounds so juxtaposed, but it isn't necessarily. The guy have 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.200 actually really fond memories of meeting Kurdish people coming into 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.759 the United States in the mountains at a time when 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.920 the United States was retaining people outdoors in very difficult conditions, 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.640 and like dancing with them there at a time when 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:44.080 like it was miserable. The ability to salvage joy. It 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.800 gives you a sense of sovereignty, I suppose, and I 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:47.480 can understand why that's such an important part of the 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.359 Curdish freedom movement when every expression of Curtis's identity has 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.840 been suppressed for so long, like the ability to seize 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.000 your moments what James Scott would call like little small 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:01.320 acts of resistance, Like it's important. It's it's more important, 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.279 I think people understand. And if you're understanding it from 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.959 a Western military doctrine, it doesn't fit. But that's because 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.840 you're using the wrong framework. Yeah, exactly, Jenny. If people 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.760 are interested in following your work about this, or perhaps 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.200 they're interested in doing what they can to support the 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:22.759 revolution and what is a challenging time, a very changing time, 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:24.479 how can they do both those things? 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.640 Yeah, so well, if they are interested in following the 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.960 sort of updates and so on that I've been doing. 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:36.399 I've got Instagram and TikTok channels, which are both at 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:40.280 j Keston. I'm assuming you can stick that written form somewhere. 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.600 Yeah, we'll put it in the show notes. 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.440 And Telegram channel as well if people find it easier 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.520 to sort of get Yeah, that's just the most condensed 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.040 way to kind of download information, videos or whatever, which 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:52.759 you can find under the same name, and there's also 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.520 links to it on the on Instagram, TikTok and on there. 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.279 We've got we linked tree that has some suggest for 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.680 if people want to support, like ways to donate, say 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.000 to the Kurdish Red Present and stuff like that. And 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.920 then specifically, yeah, I mean there is a lot that 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.680 people can do and whatever it is, it all starts 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.600 with getting more I wouldn't say informed, I would say 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.239 getting more connected. Right, So getting informed is a part 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:21.720 of that, but not just in the sense of information learning, 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.320 like it's also connecting with like the feeling of things 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.319 here and why it's become so important to so many 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.520 people across the world, not just people from here. Yeah, 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.279 and the more we learn about that, I'm all, we'll 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.960 start to see like how we can be a friend 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.399 to the movement here and where how our role can fit. 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.279 And I know that there are specifically in America a 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.840 couple of organizations, is it that theybi book Chain has 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.719 been really prominent in organizing one of them. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:49.960 Yeah, Emergency Committee for Java. 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.520 Emergency Committee for a Java, that's the one. Yeah, I 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.520 mean had emergency in there somewhere. That's definitely worth looking 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.759 up and following a lot of the work that they do. 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.760 And you also got like think it's like the Kourdish 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.160 Piece Institute, that kind of lobbying, and so yeah, there 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.680 are some there is some stuff from coming from the 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.839 United States as well, But I think, yeah, the more 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.120 people get a chance to kind of learn about stuff 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.279 here and see the connection and be able to see 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.839 and find themselves in it, And I think that's got 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.560 a lot to do with what you were just speaking about. 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.120 Hearing you put so well, I wouldn't extend it much more, 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:28.640 but yeah, like people here, it's really there's always war happening, 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.719 and always war kind of filing on top of you, 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.239 but that's never what it's about. The question is always 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.800 what are you're fighting for and what you're fighting to defend? 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.879 And what would you be doing if there was no war. 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.759 Everyone here'll always say if there was no war, we'd 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.680 still have enough work to do with all the really 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.000 like I was that word ambitious, like social transformation that 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.880 people here are really committed to. There's enough going on 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:51.960 and it's very big and as you put it, it's 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.080 very beautiful and very joyful, and so that's Yeah, that's 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.320 the bit that I encourage people to try and learn 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.399 more about, because that's the bit that makes you stay. 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:01.960 It makes peopleeople like me stick around for years, finding 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.759 out more and more, making friends and getting closer and 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:05.959 closer to there. 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:07.680 Yeah, I think that's a very good way to put it. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.680 So yeah, I encourage people to do all that. Thank 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.040 you so much for your time doing I note it's 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.359 late there, but we really appreciate you joining us today. 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:35.560 Thank you so much than cheers, hello, and welcome to 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:39.600 it could happen here. It's time to finally continue our 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.040 journey through Latin America and Anarchiston. 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:43.399 Now. 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.080 So far we've covered almost every country in Latin America 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:53.319 at this point, including Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Central America. 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:58.400 The country is the former Grand Colombia like Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia, 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.560 and also Cuba and. 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:01.840 A few other islands in the Caribbean. 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.920 And now before we get to the really big history 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:09.840 that I've kind of been saved as the finale, that 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.440 is anarchism in Mexico, we're going to be talking about 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.000 the anarchist movement in Uruguay. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.760 So my name is Andrew Sage. 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.680 You can find on YouTube as Andrewism and you can 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.279 also find the bulk of the research for today's episode 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:29.880 in an Hill Capialities, aptly titled Anarchism in Latin America. 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:35.879 I'm joined today by James me again and it's been 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:36.280 a while. 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:37.360 Yeah, it has been a while. 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.839 Nice to be back, great to be back in conversation. 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:41.959 Yeah. 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.040 So, before we could really get into the history of 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.399 anarchism in Uruguay, I probably should give some context as 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:53.520 to how Uruguay became Uruguay. And well, my source for 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:59.040 this history is primarily the Encyclopedia Britannica. So before the 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.440 whole scoog of European clonalism, what is now known as 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.680 Uruguay supported a population of about five thousand to ten 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.359 thousand people, which were. 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.560 Organized in semi nomadic groups. 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:17.239 You had the Tarua, the China, and the Guarani Indians primarily. 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:23.440 So the first European visits took place first in fifteen sixteen, 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.600 and they weren't particularly successful or of interest. Spain was 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.759 looking for gold and looking for silver. That was their 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.759 incentive for colonization at the time, and they didn't see 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.560 any of that, so they didn't have much motivation to 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.600 stick around. It was until the sixteen twenties, over a 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:44.640 century later, that Jesuit and Franciscan missionary set up religious settlements, 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:48.840 but unfortunately, by then, Uruguay's native population had already begun 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:54.320 to collapse. Thousands of people were succumbing to European diseases, 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.640 so they had no immunity to a couple of centuries later, 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:02.960 in eighteen hundred, Uruguay continued along with the very small population. 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.160 At this point it was about thirty thousand people in total, 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:10.200 and a third of their population lived in the capital 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:11.359 city of Montevideo. 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.080 Another thirty their population. 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:18.680 Were African slaves who worked on ranchers and meat processing plants, 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.600 and as domestic servants. Meanwhile, the elite, whether they be 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:27.319 wealthy traders, bankers, or landowners, mostly traced their roots to Catalonia, 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.400 the Basque Country, the Cleary Islands, and other parts of Spain. 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.520 We get into eighteen ten, when a lot of the 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.440 Latin American countries had been fighting for their independence Boros 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.680 Aires Argentina was among them. But while Argentina was fighting 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.839 for its independence, Montevideo was a Royalist stronghold backed by 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:51.000 the Spanish military and naval forces. On the country side, 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.479 it was a different story though Uruguay's greatest independence zero 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.920 kind of came out of that space. His name was 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:04.919 Jose Crevasio Artigas, and he originally led a Spanish cavalry unit, 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.560 but eventually turned against the crown in eighteen eleven and 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.680 rallied an army of rural fighters, freed African slaves and 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.320 anti royalist leaders from Montevideo. So with the back in 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.879 from Buenos Aires, his forces were able to score key 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:24.919 victories and eventually oust the Spanish. But Artigas had much 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:29.120 bigger ambitions. He wanted a confederation of provinces to resisted 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.600 the dominance of Buenos Aires. In fact, he wanted Montevideo 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:36.800 to become the center of a rival confederation, as prior 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.600 to Argentina becoming Argentina, it was sort of a loose 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:47.799 confederation centered in Buenos Aires. Artigas's ideas also included things 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.680 like redistributing the land to freed slaves and Poiuguayans, which 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:54.600 made him obviously very popular among the poor and very 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:58.680 much a threat to the elite. Eventually, he was forced 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:03.840 into exile because because he made some enemies that basically 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:08.040 sat on their hands as the Portuguese Brazilian forces invaded 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:13.200 and took over the region despite his exile, though the 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:16.520 fight really wasn't over, you know. After the occupation, which 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.719 was often called Brazilianization, it was resisted very heavily by 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:25.640 locals and exiles, and of course Argentina, which had become 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.360 some lot of a rival power to Brazil in the region. 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:33.440 It saw Brazil's influence in Uruguay as a threat. So 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:38.239 eventually one of Artigas's exile officers, a guy named Juan 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:42.680 Antonio Lavaller, would lead a force that would cross the 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:47.480 river and reclaim Uruguay. The fight would end in a 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.160 steel meat and then British deplomat to step in, because 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:53.080 of course the British had their own interests in the region. 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.560 But eventually, in eighteen twenty eight, a treaty was signed 0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.640 officially created in Uruguay as an independent Natia buffer state 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:06.560 between Argentina and Brazil. In eighteen thirty, Uruguay's first constitution 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.120 was ratified, and at the time the country had a 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.920 population of just seventy four thousand people. 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.600 All that war kind of left the country in ruins. 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.279 A lot of the once wealthy colonial families were devastated, 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.959 the cattle numbers had plummeted, and the threat of both 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:28.360 Argentina and Brazil still persisted despite the treaty at being signed. 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.960 So then the nation ended up being split into two 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:37.000 rival factions. You had the faction that was led by 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.400 Uruguay's first president and then you had the faction that 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:45.520 was led by Uruguay's second president, and they became face 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.320 rivals that ignited a civil war known as the Gera 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.600 Grande or Great War. 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:51.440 I'd make a long story short. 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:57.760 The first President's supporters became known as the Colorado Party 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.280 and they controlled Onetevideo, and the second president supporters became 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.840 known as the White Party or the Blanco Party, and 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.120 they dominated the countryside, and so they were to fight 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.320 from time to time, each side being backed by different parties. 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:15.520 The Blancos were backed by Argentina, the Colorados were backed 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:19.120 by France and England, and then eventually Brazil, and after 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:23.200 about a decade of war, there was still no clear 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:27.320 victory as to who came out of it as a 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.160 success in state. The interior of the country was devastated, 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:36.000 government was bankrupt, its very existence as an independent nation 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:40.680 came into doubt, and the divisions between the people who 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:46.239 backed either party became more stark than ever. Eventually, the 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.840 Colorados were able to force Blancos out of power thanks 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:53.839 to their back in by Brazil, and that move ended 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:58.120 up alarming Paraguay, who was also a freedom Brazil's influence. 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.120 So Paraguay ended up launching in what became known as 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:02.960 the War of the Triple Alliance, which is something I 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:08.400 covered in the episode of Paraguayan Anarchism. Eventually, after getting 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:11.359 out of the civil wars and all these disputes and 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:15.759 foreign powers medalist affairs, we have the situation Uruguay found 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:21.880 itself in in the nineteenth century, a situation that waves 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:36.799 of immigrants and also anarchism would find themselves in So 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.880 Capelletti identifies a few of the early forces that shaped 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:45.400 igu radicalism before anarchism and cynicalism. The first factor shape 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:50.680 in the radical landscape in Uruguay's eighteenth century was utopian socialism. 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:55.040 It came to Uruguay with Eugenio Tanddet in eighteen forty four, 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.719 and he was a French utopian socialist and follower of 0:51:58.800 --> 0:51:59.799 Charles Freyer. 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.080 Who was one of the founders of utopian socialism. 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:07.000 That whole milieu advocated for reconstruction of society based on 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:12.680 communal associations of producers known as falanges. And then with 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.759 their influence afterwards came the next force of influence the 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.319 Italian migrants who had fought in. 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:20.439 The Civil War. 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:26.279 These were Republicans who eventually became socialists. And in the 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.480 next influence was the mutualist movement that was inspired by 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:33.040 put On in the eighteen seventies, first arising in Uruguay 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:37.839 among artisans and workers and establishing mutual aid societies to. 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:38.920 Meet people's needs. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.879 A friend of Pedros of Prodona himself, a guy named 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.640 Jose Ernesto Gilbert, had actually moved to Monte Video for 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:50.719 a bit after being exiled from France, and I don't 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:54.280 think he did anything too actively political. He did pursue 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.319 botanic studies in Uruguay, and I believe there was some 0:52:58.400 --> 0:52:59.839 kind of creature. 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:03.360 Named after so let's cool, you know, so fun fact. 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:07.640 Finally, as we kind of exit the nineteenth century, you had, 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:11.520 of course the rise of unions and internationalist organizations in 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:15.480 the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties. You had fights for workers' rights, 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:19.440 you had the struggle for an international socialism, and you 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:23.480 have what Capital identifies as a Euroguaian section of the 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:28.320 Association International de Trabajadores, which was established in eighteen seventy 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.000 two and engaged in a public action in eighteen seventy 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:37.320 five that had some two thousand attendees. They established something 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.520 of a manifesto where one line had asked, who better 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:45.360 and of greater faith than ourselves can destroy the criminal 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.799 exploitation to which we are condemned as a whole. The 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:53.000 manifesto basically ask workers to unite, and this was in 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.759 a time where anarchism was finally starting to pick up 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:56.680 in the region. 0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:59.719 Another group formed in eighteen seventy six. 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:05.040 This was the Ferracion Regional de la Republca Oriental del Uruguay, 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:09.960 later called the ferracanal Uruguaya or f O r U. 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:17.920 And they published papers like Social, La Lucha Obrera, la Fravadores, Liman, 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:22.719 Spasion and Solidaridad. And it was a very small but 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:26.000 virgin in movement, but they didn't take very long to 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:31.000 start making some moves, as Capelletti noting they celebrate the 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:34.880 anniverstry of the Paris Commune in March eighteenth and collected 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:39.640 forty pesos on behalf of libertarian prisoners in Lyon. They 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.320 also collected money to support their papers and to support 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:46.439 peoples and efforts elsewhere, like in France. What's interesting about 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:50.120 the Uruguayan anarchists is that they were among the most 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:55.680 internationalists that I have found so far. You know, like 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:57.880 other parts of Latin America, they did have a large 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:01.800 immigrant population. Yeah, but because I suppose the size of 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.920 Uruguay compared to other countries, the immigrant population was probably 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.759 larger proportional to their neighbors. So they ended up having 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:14.040 a much greater connection to movements and you know, things 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.680 that happened in other parts of the world, including their 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:17.360 home countries. 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.400 Yeah, that makes sense. Was there. I'm trying to remember 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:24.120 exactly when this began, but like there was a movement 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.080 among anarchists, I guess in the early more in the 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.759 early twentieth century to like learn Esperanto as part of 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:30.680 their internationalism. 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:33.480 Yes, that's actually a history that I would love to 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:34.840 cover in an episode. 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.959 I will connect you to somebody who wrote books about 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:38.920 it with pleasure. 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:41.440 Really yeah, yeah, that'll be fantastic. 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.120 My first book was about the anti fascist Olympics and 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:50.279 the last surviving Popular Olympian, the Guardo Vivankos, died in 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:53.319 twenty twenty two in Canada and an old people's home. 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.640 I've been trying to visit him, but because of the 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:58.879 COVID restrictions for in the old people's home, I wasn't 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:02.960 able to. But he he had served as a Esperanto 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:07.320 translator at the Popular Olympics and like lived out his 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.040 whole life with the stream of like if we can, 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.440 if we can, if we can break down the linguistic 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:15.120 barriers between workers, and we can we can get together 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:16.000 and change things. 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.640 Wow, that is fascinating. You know what's interesting about the 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:24.279 whole Esperanto connection to anarchism is that long before I 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:28.840 really got into anarchism or even learned about anarchism. I 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:30.560 actually tried to learn esperanto. 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.520 Let's here you go. It worked. Did they see that 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.919 this is what they wanted? You saw the barriers fall 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:39.200 down once you there, once you began speaking esperando. 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:40.440 I didn't get very far. 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.320 I think it was around the time when like dueling 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:48.080 A first introduced it into their like courses, Okay, and 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.200 I saw it, and I like did like a brief 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.840 reading on it, and I was like, oh, this looks interesting, 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:54.279 and so I tried to pick it up and I 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.520 studied it for a little while, but I didn't get 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.720 particularly far. Yeah, but now we're looking in the connection 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.719 between Esperanto and atnarkis, I'm just like, wow, you know, 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:04.520 the seeds were already there in a sense. 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were ready for it. That 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.120 was a dream of the of the nineteen twenties and thirties. 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:12.240 I'm glad that you're living. 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:12.959 In for sure. 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.080 And actually we're about to enter, well at least the 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:21.840 twentieth century. In our little historical review here, anarchists almost 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.560 really sunned to finally pick up steam by this point 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:30.320 becoming very commonly known across Iuruguay. In fact, by nineteen eleven, 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:35.040 according to Capitaletes research of the official stats, there were 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:39.120 one hundred and seventeen thousand industrial workers in Uruguay, and 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:44.880 of those, ninety thousand were affiliated with the FRU. So 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:49.120 what's seventy six percent of those industrial workers were affiliated 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:55.800 with an explicitly anarchist organization that included port workers, construction workers, 0:57:55.920 --> 0:58:00.240 metal workers, horse drivers, railway workers, and a lot more. 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:02.520 And to be honest with you, I'm not entirely show 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:06.640 what kept them from taking Boulder action compared to some 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:11.320 of their neighbors, considering their proportion the numbers they had, 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:15.320 But unfortunately didn't take very long for the movement to 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:20.480 be divided, particularly after the Russian Revolution. There was, of 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.560 course the influence of Bolshevik ideas that had split the 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:28.240 movement somewhat, bringing workers onto the Bolshevik cause, and then 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.840 of course you had Bolshevik sponsorship. It was within the 0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:38.680 USSR's interest to support USSR aligned movements worldwide, and so 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.400 a lot of libertarian groups around the world went into 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:46.640 decline in that time, including in Uruguay. Some of the 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:49.720 unions and up faltering under the pressure of both the 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:53.280 state and of course the new draw that was the 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:58.760 Marxist Leninist groups. But of course the Libertarians never really 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:03.960 gave up, they don't tend to historically speak it. So 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:08.240 the unions and groups continued acting, continued producing papers. In fact, 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:11.320 there was a major surge and unionization in the nineteen forties. 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:15.000 According to Poor Sharkis the feracio and anarchista i Uruguaya, 0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:19.960 especially among the textile workers, royal women talkers, construction workers 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.600 and meat packers. And then outside of the union and 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.320 paper pushing scene you are set Uruguaian writers that continued 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:32.000 to shape the cultural scene with anarchist ideas. Florencio Sanchez, 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.840 for example, was a playwright in the Rio de la 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.920 Plata region whose experience in nationalist militias led him to 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:42.440 align himself with anarchist circles. He worked as a journalist 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:46.960 while actively participating in anarchist organizations and publications, including La 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:50.920 Partesta in Bunros Airis. His plays tackled social issues such 0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.760 as class struggle, intergenerational conflicts, and the hardships of the 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.680 working class. Then you also had other Uruquian literary figures 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:03.320 influenced by anchism and contributing to the libertarian literary movement, 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:10.080 including poet Julio Herrera Ierseg, novelist Torresio Kiroga, and Bohemian 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:14.120 writer Roberto de las Carreras. And interestingly, there was another 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:18.880 notable figure in anarchism connected perhaps the most or one 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.720 of the most notable figures in anarchism, and that was 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.080 the friend and biographer of Erico man A Testa himself, 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:31.200 Luigi Fabri. Fabri founded the journal Study Sociali, which was 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:35.280 one of the strongest libertarian publications in Uruguay and Latin America, 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:40.520 and after he died, his daughter, Lucy Fabri, continued his 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:44.520 work and edited the journal until nineteen forty six. Lucy 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.120 Fabri was also one of the founders of the FAU 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:51.320 and she also published quite a few books in her time, 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.080 many of which have yet to be translated into English. 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:56.440 I wish I could you know, check them out. 1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.760 Yeah, Paul Shaky, he just mentioned he's the guy He's 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:04.280 translated like a library of anarchist text. 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:05.000 Yeah. 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:08.760 Yeah, I think translators they don't get as much praise 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:12.320 as they should. You know, they're a really underrated contribution 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:14.960 to the movement and to the propagation of the movement 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:15.800 to new spaces. 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:20.080 Yeah. Absolutely. I translated some text for a zine last year, 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:21.800 and it is a lot of work. 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:22.520 Yep. 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:24.960 Yeah, massive respect to people who do that. 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:30.280 Unfortunately, translation is not as simple as just going wood forward, 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:32.720 you know. You really do have to get the spirit 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:35.760 of the text out of it somehow, sometimes with different 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:37.120 phrasing and that kind of thing. 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:38.680 Yeah, exactly, it's difficult. 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:39.640 Google can't do. 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:41.000 That for you, yep. 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.880 I mean, I appreciate having the ability to like go 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:48.080 on a website and like have Google Translates translate the 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:51.000 web page quickly for me, but that has very clear 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:54.320 and obvious weaknesses, you know when you go through it 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:58.600 in terms of actually translating the information. Yeah, it's good 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:03.320 for like getting like a vague gist, right, but professional 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.120 translators aren't going away anytime soon. 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:08.560 No. No, it's a great thing to do if you 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:11.800 if you have a couple of languages, like to make 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.440 the world visible from someone else's perspective. It's such a 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:17.600 wonderful thing to be able to try and share that. 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:19.680 It's really special. Yeah, particularly for. 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:23.040 The last less well known or less popular languages. Yeah, 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.800 you know, although you'll be surprised, some of the most 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.560 popular languages, most widely spoken languages in the world, are 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:33.840 still lacking some key translations of some very key literature. 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:37.520 You know, you'd be surprised, like the kinds of texts 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:39.440 that we take for granted, the theory and stuff we 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:44.160 take for granted that's just not available and VICEIVI sir, 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:47.680 you know, there's probably a lot of gems out there 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:49.480 that I've yet to hit. 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.640 The English language definitely. 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:55.000 Yeah, yeah, like just because especially if it's a big language, 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:58.240 like a language is something like Arabic of Spanish, Mandarin, 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:01.120 where so many people speak it already, Like there's less 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:04.840 need to translate it because like it's it's getting out there. 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.200 I suppose that pizza that isn't quite the same like 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:11.520 urgency to translate it, but the ideas get out through 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.439 sort of paraphrase, I suppose, because enough people can readly 1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:18.160 in the ritual language and then paraphrase it in other languages. 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.000 Yeah, as long as the idea gets there, you know, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.600 the exact words may not necessarily be important. 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:27.440 Yeah, there's some beauty and like the piece I translated 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:30.680 was pretty sure, but it's the Belgian anarchists who fought 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:32.480 in the Spanish Civil War and then went into exile 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.840 in South America. But the way he writes about the 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:38.440 revolutionary moment is one of the most perfect and beautiful 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.760 enclculations I've ever read, so like it was nice to 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:42.400 be able to share that. 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:44.080 You should send that to me. What is it called. 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:48.560 It's called rejecting or refuting the legend by a guy 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:50.800 called Louis Mercy. A Vega was the name he went by. 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:54.280 Sometimes he also called himself Charles Riddle. That neither of 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:55.920 those were his real names, but there's the names he 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:58.040 lived most of his life under. I've been reading a 1:03:58.040 --> 1:04:01.720 lot of translations if to Rooty column memoirs. Another wonderful 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:03.800 one is called Sons of the Night, which is by 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:06.080 an Italian anarchist who foll in Spain and they live 1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:07.920 the rest of his life in France. And then it's 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:10.320 a beautiful book. Because he was a groundskeeper at the 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.640 Libertarian Club in Marseille, the young people of the Libertarian 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:18.200 Club were so influenced by his life and his experiences 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:20.640 and the way he talked about the world that after 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.760 his passing they translated his diary and then wrote this 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:28.080 huge historical sort of The footnotes are four times long 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.640 as a book because the footnotes explain that the things 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:33.720 that he's talking about and who the characters are, and 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:36.760 it's it's a really kind of beautiful text. And it 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:39.520 has the authors called themselves the Shewmnologues like that, the 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.720 followers of Antoine j Minez. So it's kind of anonymously 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:46.360 authored and I thin it's a really special like literary project. 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:49.480 Wow, that's something that always moves me. 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:52.640 You know, when somebody is able to have such an 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:56.320 impact on the lives of others that even in their. 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:59.720 Absence, people you know, continue their lives. 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:02.880 Were Yeah, yeah, it's a really special thing. I'll send 1:05:02.920 --> 1:05:05.400 you a link to it when with them, but I've 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.320 diverted us a long way from Uraguai. I'm sorry. 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:09.000 Oh, that's fine, that's fine. 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:11.840 I think for this episode, there's just one other interesting 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:14.560 moment in Uruguay's anarchist history that I want to cover, 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:18.280 and I'll leave it at that before the next episode. 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:22.880 But going down this rabbit hole was actually really interesting 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:23.200 for me. 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:38.000 So there was an experiment in the fifties in Uruguay 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:43.680 called the Communidad del Sur, which was an anarchist intentional 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:48.320 community experiment, and capolet He talks about it briefly as 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:50.600 an effort by folks to live and work and eat 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:54.400 and rare children together away from the injustices of capitalism 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:59.200 on the state. Now, anarchism is not about establishing intentional communities, 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:04.360 but many anarchists have found great reprieve and great joy 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:08.600 in establishing those communities, in finding love and care and 1:06:08.760 --> 1:06:13.120 connection in those spaces. So these people spent about twenty 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:17.560 years living together, making decisions together, sharing finances, and sharing education. 1:06:18.120 --> 1:06:21.360 But the Irguayan military dictatorship stepped in and put an 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:25.000 end to the project in nineteen seventy six. They spent 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:29.680 that time afterwards living in exile. First they settled in Peru, 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:32.560 and then they ended up in Spain, and then after 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:36.680 that they found themselves in Sweden, of all places, where 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:41.600 they continued their communal life and engaged in international political education. 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:45.280 So that's all I ended up learning about them at first. 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:47.160 But I wanted to digg a little deeper and find 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:50.320 out what happened to them after that, and I wasn't 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:56.440 finding that information in English language sources, so I ended 1:06:56.520 --> 1:07:01.080 up unfortunately having to lean upon Google Translate for the 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:05.800 Swedish and Spanish wikipedias, but those pages went into a 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:09.920 little bit more depth, and so I was able to 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:13.560 find out that this group ended up taking part in 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:17.720 the occupation of the Mulvaden neighborhood in the late seventies, 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:21.800 and they also translated Latin American anarchist texts into Swedish 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:26.040 and vice versa. And then when the dictatorship in Uruguay ended, 1:07:26.520 --> 1:07:28.800 they returned to Uruguay with the money they raised with 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:31.680 the hell of their Swedish comrades, and initially a few 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:34.040 stay in Stockholm, so there was a split effort between 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:36.240 Uruguay and Sweden for a bit, but the ones in 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.400 Sweden were able to send money and equipment home and 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:42.200 so eventually they were all able to focus in Uruguay 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.640 and set up a printery and established a farm in 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:49.680 the countryside outside Montevideo on land purchased with money collected 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:54.480 in Sweden, where they focused on collective farm and organic agriculture, 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:58.920 and apparently there's still active today. I found what seems 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.720 to be their website, but it's no accessible. 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:02.280 It's down. 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:06.360 I tried to dig fit on web archive, but I 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:08.919 wasn't getting much information out of that. But I also 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:11.600 found of Swedish website that was talking about the activity, 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:13.600 and I'll drop that in the show notes as well. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:14.680 Yeah, that'd be cool. 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:17.360 So that particular website they said, and this is the 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:20.519 rual translation of what they said, but it was quote. 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:23.479 In parallel with the other activities, the organization runs a 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:27.400 farm which produces sweets from figs, goofer, blackberries and such 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:30.600 aus fruits. It also presuves vegetables such as peppers and 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:35.360 eggplant and produces its own tomato sauce. This small scale 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:37.880 industry that the organization has built up is mainly run 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:41.640 by a women's group, Comunidad There's Sosuro also participates in 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:45.040 the collective Lapi Tanga that works for equality between women 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:49.320 and men and against violence against women end quote. So 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:52.400 they're doing some really important work in Uruguay after all 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:55.800 these years. I can't find their exact location, but it 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:59.240 seems they're based somewhere in La Palce. If anybody wants 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:01.120 to reach out for food, the details what they're up 1:09:01.200 --> 1:09:03.720 to these days, their story is really fascinating to me, 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.439 So I'd love to find out just that whole idea 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:12.240 of this group feacing this victoria repression, resettling somewhere else, 1:09:12.439 --> 1:09:15.600 catching their breath, engaging actions elsewhere, and then me are 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:18.519 being able to return home and continue the work. I 1:09:18.560 --> 1:09:19.679 find that very inspiring. 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.519 Yeah, that's really cool. That's what we hope for, you know, 1:09:23.680 --> 1:09:26.320 when like people are forced into exile, to be able 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:29.400 to return eventually and to be like accepted into the 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:32.640 community where they find themselves and able to like, like 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.400 you say, catch your breath and build their strength and return. 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:36.800 That's really cool. 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:37.120 Yeah. 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:40.439 I mean shout out to the Swedish anarchists who would have, 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:43.400 you know, moved in solid arity with them and help 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:45.519 them set up and that kind of thing if they did. 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:50.360 Yeah, Swedish has been really good at accepting migrants and refugees. 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:54.479 Unfortunately a number of people who had received assignment in 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:57.799 Sweden were killed this week, so that fucking sucks, IRB 1:09:57.960 --> 1:09:58.240 to them. 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:02.880 Yes, I think it just the mood is shifting as 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:03.439 a lead. 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:06.080 Yeah, all around the world thanks to the wonder of 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:07.040 social media, I think. 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:11.080 Yeah, but you see the digression we had about translation 1:10:11.360 --> 1:10:12.479 and ended up connecting. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:17.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful. Yeah, everyone listening, start learning Esperanto. 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:22.960 I think that's a great hobby yellow I do question. 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:25.560 I think it was like a really cool project and 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.920 it's time. I don't know how well it can pick 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:30.360 up today. 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.839 Like Esperanto in the Age of Ai is an interesting 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:37.000 I'd love to hear from Esperantis, honestly, like if we 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:38.960 have Esperantis who listening. I still have a great deal 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:41.439 of admiration for the project and like for the people 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:44.479 who participate in it, and I've had a lot of 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.519 communications with them because of their relations to Spanish anarchism, 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.400 and they've always been the nicest, most interesting, welcoming people. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:54.720 So like, yeah, if you want to be I Esperanto guest, 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:56.519 please hit me up. 1:10:57.080 --> 1:10:57.280 Yeah. 1:10:57.760 --> 1:11:01.120 Yeah, maybe eventually I will get back into Esperanto and 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:04.040 pick it up again. I'm still still working on my Spanish, 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:07.760 as listeners can probably tell, but. 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:09.559 We'll get there. 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:10.479 Yeah. 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.519 So we'll leave it here for today, but next time 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:16.360 we're going to venture into how anarchists stayed active throughout 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:19.760 the twentieth century and also contributed to the development of 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:25.720 anarchist strategy internationally. Until then, I've been Andrew Sage, I've 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:29.479 been here with James Stout and you can find me 1:11:29.720 --> 1:11:33.240 on YouTube dot com, slash andrewism on picture dot com, 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:37.639 slashly and true. This is it could happen here, Heast 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:38.040 be with you. 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:02.879 Welcome to kadap Here increasingly ruled by an absolutely unhinged 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:06.920 and unrestrained band of Nazis, and apparently they're democratic collaborators. 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:09.639 I am your host, Mia Wong with Vus James Stout. 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:14.160 I'm nia's collaborator today. Yay, this is a collaborator. Good. 1:12:14.280 --> 1:12:16.479 We are talking today about collaborator bad. 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:17.360 So. 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:22.479 On Friday, Senator Chuck Schumer and his allies, in an 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:25.599 act of democratic collaboration with the regime that looks even 1:12:25.720 --> 1:12:27.880 more hideous now than it did then, in the wake 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:31.320 of a series of absolutely horrific deportations in the last 1:12:31.360 --> 1:12:37.160 few days, voted for basically a continuing funding resolution. So 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:41.280 this is this is a little bit complicated, but I 1:12:41.800 --> 1:12:43.599 believe in US we can get through a little tiny 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.200 bit of Senate bullshit. So basically what's happening is that 1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:48.200 they need a resolution to keep funding the government for 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:51.280 a little bit until more negotiations. 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:53.240 Can happen to fund a budget. There has been a budget. 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:55.519 Basically, like we keep seeing this over and over again. 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:58.400 They're keep being continuing funding resolutions, they keep almost being 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:01.040 government shutdowns, because if there's not a continuing funding resolution 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:02.880 and there's no budget, the government doesn't have any money. 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:05.519 What happened here was that, So in the Senate you 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:09.559 can filibuster this and a whole bunch of senators Schumer 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:11.640 and others. We will be reading out later after we 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:15.360 talk about what this resolution actually did, because it's unhinged. 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:18.080 So you've probably been hearing. If you've been hearing about this, 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.000 you've been hearing you called a culture vote. So what 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:23.000 that is is basically the absolute shortest version of it is, 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:24.559 it's a vote to kill a philibuster on the bill. 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:28.519 You filibuster by continuing debate. Culture ends debate, c et cetera, 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:35.840 et cetera. So this resolution is staggeringly unhinged. It is 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:39.360 not a very long funding continuation. It includes thirteen billion 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:42.360 dollars and cuts a non military spending and also six 1:13:42.439 --> 1:13:46.000 billion dollars in military spending cuts. There are a lot 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:49.320 of things that have been sort of defunded by this, 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:52.400 including like a lot of like housing and urban development stuff. 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:55.720 It's research ship, you know, and that's obviously really bad. 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:59.720 Because normally with these resolutions, you're just sort of like 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:05.400 continuing the funding, right, But this is not a normal 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:06.439 continuing resolution. 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:08.600 This is. 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:13.160 It is over It is very very over dramatic to 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:14.840 do the thing that a lot of people have been doing, 1:14:14.880 --> 1:14:16.800 which is comparing it to the enabling. 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:19.080 Acts that the Nazis passed. Yeah, it's not. 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:26.839 But but Comma, this is a completely unhinged continuing resolution. 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:29.519 There has never been a continuing resolution like this ever, 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:34.120 and it is Jenny Wineley. It is another step down 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:38.880 the path of effectively having Trump running the government as 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:42.680 a dictator by sort of pure fiat. And Okay, you 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:44.760 can sally say this and you think this is an exaggeration, 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:50.439 but what this continuing Resolution actually does is normally in 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:54.880 one of these resolutions, Congress tells the executive how parts 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:56.560 of the budget are supposed to be sent, right, it 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:59.280 does allocations. It'll be like, okay, so there's this money 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:01.000 for this thing. It goes to this purpose and you 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:05.160 have to spend it here. This continuing resolution just. 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:06.519 Like doesn't do that. 1:15:07.200 --> 1:15:09.599 Yeah, And the goal of it is just to let 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.040 Trump do whatever the fuck he wants with the money 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.759 by not actually giving out congressional things to specifically allocated. 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:17.760 So this is more of a thing we've been seeing 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:22.400 more and more, which is congress specifically like delegating and 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:25.800 abandoning its constitutional power to be the people who set 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.280 the budget and just heading it over to the executive 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:30.280 so there can be a single unitary executive that runs 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:31.160 the entire governments. 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:35.639 Yeah, I mean when you combine it with the open 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:40.200 defiance of the court. So you saw this weekend with deportation, right, like, 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:43.080 it's not a good not a good outlook actually, like 1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:46.479 it is in terms of the old separation of powers, 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.120 which is supposed to be a thing. 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:52.000 Yeah, you know, you could you could argue about whether 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:54.400 the American Revolution was about the king being able to 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:56.600 set taxes because that was technically a thing controlled by 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.080 the British Parliament. But like it is, for example, the 1:15:59.200 --> 1:16:02.479 issue that like the Revolution of seventeen eighty nine was 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:05.880 fought over, right like like that that there shouldn't be 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:09.000 a single unitary executive who gets to fucking set the budget. 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:13.760 It's fundamentally I don't want to say unconstitutional, because I 1:16:13.760 --> 1:16:16.720 guess I don't get to decide what is unconstitutional. And 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:19.240 to the extent that it matters. 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:21.920 Fucking fuck if we get well, I mean it doesn't matter. Yeah, 1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:24.800 but it is like obviously hideously unconstitutional. 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:28.280 It's entirely against the basic principles of the constitution, right, 1:16:28.320 --> 1:16:31.160 like the scene kwan, none of the US Constitution, to 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:34.120 use a fancy word, is separation of powers. Is It's 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.360 not like the kind of the point of a thing 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:39.200 is to not just have one older dude in charge 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:41.680 like like that that is the English way. 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:44.760 Yeah, and this is this is the fundamental like principles 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.920 upon which the liberal notion of democracy is based. And 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:52.479 I use liberal in like the seventeen early eighteen hundred 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:54.560 cents of the word liberal, right, which is that, like 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:59.719 you believe in democracy. This bill effectively just allows Trump 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:02.880 to do funded defund programs at will. I mean there's 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:05.400 you know, there are there are specific things like boundaries 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.960 in which she can't and can't do this. But I'm 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:11.080 gonna read some stuff from Senator Patting Burray, who is 1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:14.560 the vice chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which is 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:19.639 the committee that handles like where money goes in the budget. 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:21.200 Right, it's a budget appropriations et cetera. 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:21.479 CA. 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:23.680 So she, you know, is one of the Senatorsho sort 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:26.920 of understands is intimately she wrote a fact sheet about this, 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:29.360 which is fucking terrifying. I'm just going to quote from 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:33.360 that because good God. Quote under this continuing resolution, that 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:37.080 Trump administration could, for example, decide not to suspend funding 1:17:37.200 --> 1:17:40.599 previously allocated for Combating Fence and all the Support Act 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:43.360 and other Substance abuse and mental health care programs or 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:48.040 specific NIH priorities like Alzheimer's disease and vaccine research, and 1:17:48.160 --> 1:17:51.439 instead steer funding to other priorities if it's choosing. It 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:55.280 could also pick and choose which military construction, Army Corps, 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:58.880 or transit improvement and expansion projects to withdraw funding without 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:02.920 direction from Congres, leaving democratic states and priorities in the lurch. 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:09.040 Yeah, that's that is like that's not great, Like even 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:11.439 like I don't think people realize how much damage is 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:14.639 could do and like, yeah, yeah, they have a year 1:18:15.040 --> 1:18:17.960 of just randomly slashing fit. Not only is it the 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:22.200 programs who are affected, right, things that are cut, the 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:25.680 certainty that contractors will get paid, The certainty that if 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:27.880 you have a contract with the government it is a 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:32.800 reliable thing like that will have devastating economic consequences. If 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:36.240 they just start randomly yoinking contracts and not paying people. 1:18:36.280 --> 1:18:38.639 That's they did with the USAID suppliers, right. 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:42.040 Yeah, So, like there is also a bunch of funding 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:44.120 cuts for things like the Army Corps of Engineers, and like, 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:46.080 there are a lot of valid criticisms you can have 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:48.479 about the Army Corps of Engineers and for example, the 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.240 way it has structurally fucked the entire city of New Orleans. 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:53.800 But the thing is not giving them money to do 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:57.320 hurricane prevention is not going to help that. And the 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.719 thing about this, right, because this resolution has thirteen billion 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.960 in direct budget cuts and then it also allows Trump 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:05.680 to do more cuts on top of it by doing 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:09.280 by doing these funding allocation things. Right, So it's it's 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:12.360 like it's it's a fucking like double Yeah, it's sort 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:13.960 of double set of cuts here. And this includes you know, 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:16.160 he can he can reallgate money away from the FAA. 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.000 One of the most absolutely terrifying ones is that this 1:19:19.120 --> 1:19:22.800 continuing resolution allows RFK Junior to eliminate funding for the 1:19:22.880 --> 1:19:23.920 universal flu vaccine. 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:24.439 Yeah. 1:19:24.560 --> 1:19:27.320 I was talking to someone in a medical profession about this, 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:30.120 Like there's a serious chance that is won't be h 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:32.800 one developed in the US for next year and we'll 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:35.080 just use the European one. Great stuff. 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:39.160 You know, this is really the substantive problem with this 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:42.640 entire thing and why it is genuinely an act of 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:46.439 like an act an act of collaboration worthy Avichy France 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:50.080 to fucking pass this, to pass this fucking bill. Is 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:54.479 that again you are handing control of like the budgets, right, 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:58.360 you're handing direct control of just like how budget allocation 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:02.679 stuff gets gets fucking out with to like Elon Musk, 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:05.560 Trump and RFK Junior, and they can just fucking do 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:06.360 this shit with it. 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:11.080 Yeah, we've already seen some of this, like manipulation of 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:14.599 federal government funding, like with with Columbia University. Oh, we're 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:17.160 gonna get to that. Yeah, okay, good exciting. 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:21.880 Yeah, So other things. It defunds FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund, 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:23.880 which is bad because a bunch of funding, the FEMA 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:29.120 Disaster Relief Fund has been get this exhausted because there 1:20:29.160 --> 1:20:31.160 were a bunch of fucking disasters. Guess what, there's gonna 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.040 be more of disasters. Guess what, There's not going to 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.479 be money in ease the FEMA Disaster Relief Fund. 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.800 Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. And here's the thing. 1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:40.080 We have not fucking hit the worst part of this 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.040 continuing resolution yet, like all of that, right, like the 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:47.840 monopolization of power in the hands of the executive, you know, 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:50.519 like the potentially funding of the flu vaccine. 1:20:51.000 --> 1:20:52.920 We have not hit rock bottom yet. 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:59.040 Rock bottom is this getting resolution quote slashes one hundred 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.120 and eighty five million dollars seven percent of the total 1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:07.200 program from defense nuclear non proliferation programs, including the programs 1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:10.960 that prevent terrorists from acquiring nuclear and radioactive material, remove 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:14.040 radioactive materials at risk of being misused or causing a 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:17.719 catastrophic accident, and to ur and monitor foreign nuclear fuel 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:21.400 cycle in weapons developments, nuclear materials movement or diversions, and 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:22.560 nuclear explosions. 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:28.000 Cool. So we are defunding the nuke police again for 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:29.920 a third time, and this one looks like. 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:32.120 It's actually gonna fucking stick because I don't think any 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.479 of these fucking people actually understand what the defense nuclear 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:37.200 non proliferation programs do. 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:41.080 Yeah, I mean, because they will on one about Iran 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:45.200 and enriching uranium for years. Have they have they just give? 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:45.960 Have they moved on? 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:47.080 Well? 1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:49.200 I like this as as we're going to see in 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:52.640 a second, this budget is being written by just fucking clowns, 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.120 like just absolute dipshits. 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:57.680 I don't I don't know who the fuck is doing this. 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:00.280 That's what I sometimes wonder is, like, who comes with 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:05.040 these numbers? Like it's like staffers, it's literally an army 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:05.519 of staffords. 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.000 Yeah, the senators re voting for these bills most often 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:10.439 have no idea what the fuck is in them. It's 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:12.439 all run by an army of staffers. And the thing 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:14.200 about it all being run by an army of staffers, 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:17.320 and the fact that Republican staffers are increasingly drawn from 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:21.680 a class of like genuinely the most unhinged people who 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:24.720 have ever lived, this class of fucking internet gropers and 1:22:24.960 --> 1:22:29.040 fucking white nationalists bullshit, means that one of the parts 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:30.640 of this I think people have heard about is the 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:33.800 one billion dollars in spending that was cut just from 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:37.400 like the city budget of Washington, DC. Now, looking at 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:40.120 what's happened next, I genuinely think they did this by accidents. 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.800 That's been the explanation that's been given is that they 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:45.000 literally did it by accidents. And the reason I think 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:47.160 it might actually be true, it's it's either it's either 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:51.439 actually true or they saw the pushback. But immediately after 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:53.840 this bill got passed, there was like a separate bill 1:22:53.880 --> 1:22:56.439 that was drafted to restore the funding, and that was 1:22:56.479 --> 1:22:59.320 approved unanimously by the second So it might legitimately have 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:01.719 been a mistake. So it was either legitimately a mistake 1:23:01.800 --> 1:23:04.479 or all of these people realize that the entire population 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:06.280 of DC was about to like fucking march on the 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:09.280 capital of Pitchforks. So I don't know one of those 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:11.439 two things. So we're not talking much about the DC 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:13.439 stuff because it seems like the funding is going to 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:15.879 come back, though if it doesn't well cover the catastrophic 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:18.479 impacts of that. And there's one more thing, James, which 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:20.720 I couldn't find details of, but one of the things 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:24.479 that's supposed to do is eliminate protections for people an 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:25.240 immigration course. 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:29.120 Fantastic, Great, allow the Attorney General more power. Yeah, I 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:32.400 was just looking this up. Actually, Like, let me there 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.280 was an office founded under Biden that was the Office 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:38.320 of the Obficely Immigration Detents from Ombudsman, which was like 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:43.200 supposedly to exist to like examine people's conditions in immigration detention. Right, 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:48.400 And I'm wondering to what extent it still exists. Yeah, 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:51.800 Like I don't know. I was just trying to find 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:53.799 that out. I would have to go through the resolution, 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:57.280 and maybe I will at some point, but yeah, there 1:23:57.400 --> 1:23:59.200 is stuff that the federal government does right now that 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:05.800 provides people with some protections in immigration courts, right, and yeah, 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:08.080 I can see. I mean, look to the extent that 1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:11.320 that matters because they're just deporting people in open violation 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.639 of court orders right now, we don't know. But it's 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:17.439 still bad either way, right, taking away the very few 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:21.960 protections that might have. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, So speaking 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.000 of bad things, we're going to go to ads and 1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:24.960 then we're going to come back. 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:38.080 We are back. 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:43.799 So, having said all of this about this bill, fully 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:48.799 ten Democratic senators voted to avoid shutting down the government 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:53.320 and fucking past this unbelievably hideous resolution, which again like 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:58.400 defunds the nuke police. Again, they are risking like global 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:01.840 annihilation by doing this. And I'm just going to read 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:03.519 out the names of everyone who did this, because there's 1:25:03.520 --> 1:25:05.040 been a lot of focus on Chuck Schumer, and Chuck 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.120 Schumer is to like probably the primary person responsible for this, 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:09.559 but fuck every single one of these people. 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:14.040 He's a quistling in this scenario, like the capital Q quisling. 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:19.599 Yes, yes, okay, so Chuck Schumer, Katherine Cortes, mosto Dick Durbin, 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:22.880 which is actually a surprising one because Durbin suburban's about 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:23.200 to retire. 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.759 He he was my old senator in Illinois. 1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:27.840 I actually know he wasn't wow a complicated I shtually 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:29.519 fucking don't remember one of the which one of them 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:29.760 I had? 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:29.960 Uh? 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:34.320 But Durbin is, you know, he's like senior party leadership guy. 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:39.720 He's usually been in like the kind of left I 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:43.400 guess of the like old Democratic leadership, which is not 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:44.280 very far left. 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:45.880 But he fucking voted for this. 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:50.160 John Fetterman, to the surprise of absolutely no one, Kirsten Gillibrand, 1:25:50.320 --> 1:25:53.519 to the surprise of absolutely no one. Yeah, Maggie Hassan, 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:59.160 Agnes King, Gary Peters, Brian Schatz, and Janine Shaheen now 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:03.920 notably miss on that list. Tim fucking Kine voted against this. 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:07.680 Do you know how bad a Republican budget thing has 1:26:07.760 --> 1:26:11.240 to be for Tim fucking kin to vote against it 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:13.760 and be like, hey, guys, what the fuck are you doing? 1:26:14.120 --> 1:26:17.920 Yeah? And the thing is like, as a Democrat, the move, 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:20.360 just if you want to get re elected is to 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:23.519 vote against it and then blame them for everything bad 1:26:23.600 --> 1:26:26.080 that happens this year because of the budget thing, right 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.920 if you have no moral backbone whatsoever. And I'm sure 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:32.719 like there are things in this continuing Resolution which really 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:35.320 screw over rural areas, right, like some of the funding 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:39.760 that was allocated. Oh yeah, And like Cain is at least, 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:45.040 I guess astute enough to see that when things get 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.400 harder of his constituents, he can go, yes, they did this, 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.240 and I voted against it, and you need to return 1:26:49.320 --> 1:26:51.280 me to office so I can continue opposing this shit, 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:54.320 which is very cynical approach. Yeah, but then, yeah, we've 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:57.439 just got Chuck Chuck Schumer who just kind of bowed 1:26:57.479 --> 1:26:59.080 down and kissed the ring. 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:03.000 And you know, the response to this is staggering. I 1:27:03.400 --> 1:27:06.200 genuinely I have never seen anything like the kind of 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:08.200 anger I'm seeing it. I I've seen that Schuber for 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:09.920 the past few days. This has happened Friday. 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:14.960 Like Indivisible, which is like a pretty so indivisible. 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:17.640 Is like a sort of NGO thing that's like a 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:19.320 like tries to get it's like a sort of vaguely 1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:20.880 progressive thing and tries to get people to vote for 1:27:20.920 --> 1:27:21.480 the Democrats. 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:23.639 Yeah, and like register voters and stuff. 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:26.120 Yeah, And they've been getting into fights with the Democratic 1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:28.479 leadership because they keep telling people to call their senators 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:30.840 to tell them to oppose bills and nominations, and the 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:32.679 Democrats are like, we don't want to impose bills. 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:37.479 In twenty twenty. In mobilizing the vote in territory, for instance, 1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:41.280 like an indivisible to played a really important role, so 1:27:41.439 --> 1:27:43.639 like they're not negligible in their power. 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:47.000 No, Yeah, and like they are calling for primary Chruck Schuber, 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:52.679 R slash neoliberal is calling for AOC. 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:54.920 The primary Chuck Schumer. 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:57.960 Do you know how fucked things have to be for 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:03.679 our slash neoliberal to be backing AOC against Chuck Schumer, 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:08.720 like fucking nearer tandin is Agrey with Bertie Sanders criticizing 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:11.280 Schumer for voting for this bill, like this is like, 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:15.280 I I don't know, I think there maybe there are 1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:17.719 probably are people in the audience here who's like weren't 1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:20.160 paying attention enough or like don't remember, or like weren't 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:24.280 old enough to be around for like like the Bernie wars. 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:27.600 But this is like every faction on every side of 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:31.679 like the whole series of fights from like twenty fifteen 1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:35.640 and like Bernie's first thing through twenty twenty, even like 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.559 the mid late twenty twenties, Like all of these people 1:28:39.000 --> 1:28:42.439 were on exactly polar opposite side. They fucking hated each other, 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:46.280 and they're all like coming together specifically to agree on 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:48.160 a fuck Chuck Schumer campaign to the point where like 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:51.439 again like Arslaus neoliberal and like Nearer, Tandent, who are 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:53.880 like have been just absolute stalwarts at the party right 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:55.559 for ages are like are. 1:28:55.520 --> 1:29:02.040 Backing AOC primarying Chuck Schumer. Yeah, it's a total cultural 1:29:02.160 --> 1:29:04.920 victory for the Bernie bros. Is what's happening. It's a 1:29:05.000 --> 1:29:05.840 Democratic party. 1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:07.519 Well, and again, the Chuck Chuber is the head of 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:08.760 the Democratic Caucus in the Senate. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.759 Yeah, minority leader of the United States Senate. 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:13.360 Yeah, he is, you know, he is unbeliefably powerful, and 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:15.680 I mean, like the people criticizing him. 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:16.880 He got criticized. 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.880 There was a joint statement on funding bill in the 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:24.960 Senate from the Democratic minority leader in the fucking House, 1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:29.479 Hakim Jeffries, and the Democratic Whipcathleen Clark, and the Caucus 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:33.840 chair peri agular and like Hawkim Jeffries is as ferociously 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:37.599 anti socialist of a politician as there exists in all 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:41.640 of Congress. He is like implacably hostile to even like 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:47.560 the most like barraest progressive things whatsoever. He is just 1:29:47.720 --> 1:29:52.880 staggeringly opposed to. And they released a joint statement against this, right, 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:56.160 what is sort of happening here, And it's happening fucking 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:58.320 too late to stop anything, But what's happening here is 1:29:58.400 --> 1:30:01.439 like we are genuinely starting to get a kind of 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.920 and I'm seeing this sort of online. We've been I 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:06.240 think we've been seeing the sort of echoes of it 1:30:06.360 --> 1:30:09.320 is like, but there's a kind of realignment happening among 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:12.519 you know, obviously this has been being opposed by people 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:14.920 outside the Democratic Party and by a lot of the 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:18.720 Democratic Party's base for ages right and the Democratic Party's base, 1:30:19.000 --> 1:30:21.320 and also just like people who don't want to get 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:24.120 be ruled by fascist forever have had, you know, incredibly 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:27.760 staunch opposition to all of the collaborationists investment happening. But 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:30.160 what's happening right now is that like the actual like 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:33.200 inside of the Democratic Party, there was a fucking rupture happening, 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:35.160 and inside of the people who are like, you know, 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:37.160 like inside of the politic cost there was a rupture 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:39.479 happening between people who are collaborationists and people who'd like 1:30:39.560 --> 1:30:41.000 want to be less collaborationist. 1:30:41.920 --> 1:30:44.080 And this is to the point where like Nancy Pelosi 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:45.439 came out against this. 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.680 Yeah, and the reason they're doing this is because a 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:51.080 lot of these people are fucking terrified because they are 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.080 looking at a couple of things. One they're looking at 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.960 what the Trump administration is doing, and they're going, holy shit, 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:58.840 Like near A Tandon is looking at them, fucking just 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:03.000 black bagging. It's just like just fucking black bagging Mamu 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:06.000 Khalil and is going like, holy shit, we are maybe 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.840 about I mean, it's maybe eight steps away from that 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:10.920 happening to be, but that's eight steps that you can 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:13.840 fucking like, that's a path you can walk down. And 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:16.840 this is also these people that are realizing just the 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:22.439 unbelievable anger among just like regular what you would call 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:25.760 sort of like regular liberals who aren't like, like, you 1:31:25.880 --> 1:31:27.320 vote for the Democrats, but if you aren't like. 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:29.800 Yeah, they're not like on Twitter with a blue wave emotion. 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:32.200 But the thing is, even the people on Twitter with 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:34.040 a blue wave emoji, and again, like the arch last 1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:37.639 neoliberal people are like the most ideologically committed of all 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:41.479 of these people, right, Like even the most unhinged nerds 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:45.920 who are like obsessed with like individual house races and 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:50.000 like very very specific, weird technical policy stuff that allows 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:52.920 them to justify supporting all these unhinged policies, even those 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:56.479 people are turning on them. And the reason this is 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:58.880 all happening, and I think this is a very very 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:02.240 important thing to understand about the entire political landscape going forward, 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:05.840 is that one of the core, an extremely important basis 1:32:05.880 --> 1:32:08.560 of Donald Trump's support is in the leadership of the 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:12.960 Democratic Party, particularly the Democratic Party in New York, Right Schumer, 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:17.080 this is Eric Adams. This is also increasingly becoming true 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:18.880 of people like Gavin Newsom and a lot of the 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.160 sort of Democrats out of the Bay to some extent, 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:23.000 And you know, and you can you can see this 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:26.200 in sort of various border states too, where you know, 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:30.400 these people fundamentally are doing this because they fucking agree 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:33.720 with him. That's why why, that's why they're fucking collaborating. 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:36.840 Yeah, or at the very least like and perhaps it's 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:41.120 in a sense worse that they don't agree with him, 1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:45.360 but they don't care enough to not like they're doing 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.040 it because they think they can personally benefit. 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:50.040 No, I don't think that's true. And my evidence for 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:52.000 why I don't think that's true is I'm going to 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:54.040 read some stuff from from the New York Times interview 1:32:54.040 --> 1:33:06.840 that they would chuck Schumer right after he did this. Okay, 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:09.720 So in this interview with the New York Times, he 1:33:09.840 --> 1:33:13.120 gets asked about Trump cutting four hundred million dollars of 1:33:13.200 --> 1:33:16.799 funding for Columbia University for I guess, not like publicly 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:18.360 executing the Palestine protesters. 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:20.000 And again, yeah, Columbia University. 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:24.400 That is an institution that he represents in the Senate, right, Yeah, 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:26.720 Like that's like his that's like his fucking thing. And 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:30.000 his response was, well, obviously they didn't crush the campus 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:33.240 protests hard enough, but cutting four hundred million dollars spending 1:33:33.400 --> 1:33:38.120 might hurt students who didn't protest, like maybe, And he's 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:39.800 not even clear about that, right, So if you read 1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:42.680 between the lines of what he's saying, his arguments is 1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:45.360 that it's actually fine for Trump to do all of 1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:48.559 these fucking budget cuts of all of these people from 1:33:48.600 --> 1:33:52.920 these universities, as long as it's specifically targeting pro Palestinian protesters, 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:56.519 such as anyone who's vaguely pro Palestine. And he also 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:59.280 gets you know, he gets asked about the Trump administration 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:02.439 just straight a black bagging Moo Khalil, and he says, quote, 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:04.640 I don't know all the details yet. They're trying to 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:06.840 come out and there'll be a court case which will 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:09.599 determine it. If he broke the law, he should be deported. 1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:11.280 If he didn't break the law on which and just 1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:14.200 peacefully protested, he should not be deported. It's plain and simple. 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.400 I mean, how is it hard to not make an 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:21.120 equivocating statement on that. No, because he agrees with it. 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:22.680 He thinks it's fine. He thinks it's fine. 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:25.519 The Trump administration fucking black bagged this guy, like again, 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:27.680 who is who it was? A permanent US resident. He 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:31.360 thinks that it is okay. That here's the thing, he's 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:35.560 not even disagreeing with the actual literal black bagging. And 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:37.759 I want to point this out, like even if Amu 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.080 Khalil like legally committed a crime, like that's not a 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:42.120 fucking deportation thing. 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:46.320 The section of the United States they're using to justify 1:34:46.439 --> 1:34:49.519 deporting him is not one that has been used before. 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:51.479 This is not he did not do a felony, and 1:34:51.560 --> 1:34:54.200 they're not suggesting that he did do a felony. And 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:58.040 like if Schumer can't find it in himself to condemn that, 1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:01.240 like yeah, like folks need to move on because because 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:03.080 he agrees with it, Like that's the thing, Like, yeah, 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:05.400 what he is saying here is that he agrees that 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:10.519 if a permanent legal US resident commits any crime, well 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:13.000 doesn't though he's not accused, he's not accused of a crime, 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.080 like he's he no, no, that's not's no. 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:19.320 But this is specifically what says Schumer said, quote, if 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:21.519 he broke the law, he should be deported. What his 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:24.160 stance is is that if someone who is a permanent 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:27.799 US resident breaks the law while at a Palestine protest, 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:29.560 even if it is a misdemeanor, even if it is 1:35:29.640 --> 1:35:33.320 fucking jaywalking, that they should be deported. That is the 1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:36.320 Trump administration line. Like that is it is slightly less 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:37.920 than Trump administration line, but that is that is a 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:42.400 genuinely fascist political line. She just straight up agrees with 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:45.840 the administration. He is a slight matter of degree like 1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:48.479 off from them, but like he's he just like he's 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:52.200 collaborating because he fucking agrees with them. He agrees with 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.000 them both on on the fact that the state should 1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:59.040 be used to like destroy anyone who supports Palestine, and 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.240 she agrees with them on the fucking deportation ship. Because 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:03.800 you know, this was one of the other things that 1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:06.679 Democrats have fundamentally aligned with Trump on since twenty twenty 1:36:06.800 --> 1:36:10.200 is that fundamentally, like they agree that we need more 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:12.840 immigration controls and we need to do more border violence. 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:14.720 You can see the evidence of this from when they 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:18.360 fucking passed that just unhinged fascist bill to do allow 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:19.760 border state of emergencies. 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.080 Yeah, and that's stuff that they proposed and didn't pass 1:36:23.080 --> 1:36:24.960 because they were republiants tenty to kill it and then 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:29.160 Biden executive order banning asylum. Like I think what it 1:36:29.240 --> 1:36:31.760 comes down to is that for the Democrats, the existence 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:34.479 of people who oppose the genocide in Palestine and the 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:39.280 existence of migrants is seen as inconvenient, and they're prepared 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:42.240 to do away with any rights so as people might have, 1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:45.679 and even do away with those people rather than engage 1:36:45.720 --> 1:36:49.320 with them in any way. Right, they I'm sure, people 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:53.000 like Schuma continue to blame people from both of those 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:56.800 movements for their ass whooping that they took at the 1:36:56.840 --> 1:37:00.280 polls in twenty twenty four because they decide, I did 1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:02.960 that it was more important to do genocide than it 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:06.120 was to listen to Vose in this country rather than listening. 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:09.560 Now they're blaming them, and the only logical way for 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.320 them to go is right, and the only logical place 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:14.400 for them to take it is more state violence. 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:14.720 Right. 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:16.960 Yeah, But there's another aspect of this too, which the 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:18.600 thing I want to close on, which is okay, So, 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.960 why why have the Democrats been shifting so far to 1:37:21.000 --> 1:37:24.200 the right since twenty twenty right, and particularly since after 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:25.800 twenty twenty two when they needed to sort of win 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:28.639 it contesta for election. And the answer is that after 1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:31.519 twenty twenty all of their politics became about opposing the 1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:34.559 uprising because they you know, that there was a period 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:36.560 dream the uprising where they were scared enough that like 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:38.560 you get like the Kent cloth shit, and they're like, 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:40.600 you know, and they're talking about like and Biden like 1:37:40.840 --> 1:37:45.600 runs on a significantly more left wing platform than like 1:37:45.680 --> 1:37:49.320 Kamala Harris did, right, yeah, like because of the particularly 1:37:49.360 --> 1:37:51.320 because of the pressure of those protests. Now obviously, like 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:54.880 presidential platforms just lies, right but right, yeah, it's just 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:56.479 likes you need to tell to get the votes. 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:56.760 Yeah. 1:37:56.840 --> 1:37:57.000 Yeah. 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.519 But on the other hand, the fundamental politics of Democratic 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:02.880 Party in the last half a decade has been opposing 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:05.160 the uprising. It's the thing that's, you know, behind all 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:07.080 of their turn to tough on crime politics. It's the 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:09.120 thing behind their their's sort of anti immigrant politics, the 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:11.280 thing behind the turns they've been taking on trans politics. 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:15.479 And the problem with this particularly like the anti black, 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:18.640 anti crime shit and the anti immigrant stuff, you know 1:38:18.960 --> 1:38:22.920 who else. His entire politics like came into the fucking 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:26.240 political sphere as the right wing reaction to the uprising. 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:29.120 Oh wait, Donald Trump. Donald Trump walked down the fucking 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:31.840 escalator in twenty fifteen, immediately in the wake of the 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:34.240 giant uprisings in Baltimore in twenty fifteen, which I think 1:38:34.320 --> 1:38:38.000 people have sort of memory holds, like Ferguson and Baltimore. 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:41.160 He like, it's like right after Baltimore that Trump fucking 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:44.480 comes down the escalator and that and people forget how fundamentally, 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:48.360 the right wing reaction to those protests deranged people who 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:52.519 even the Tea Party hadn't pushed like far enough to 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:54.280 vote for Donald Trump. 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:56.559 It was like it was reaction to this. Yeah, that's 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:58.719 when we saw the oath Keepers for the first time 1:38:58.840 --> 1:39:02.120 as well, Like this kind of militant right really grew 1:39:02.240 --> 1:39:04.000 dramatically in response to that. 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:07.200 Yeah, And this is the sort of fundamental thing that's 1:39:07.200 --> 1:39:10.120 going on, is that there's now an entire class of 1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:11.960 people who are running the Democratic Party. 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:12.120 Right. 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:15.000 This is a fucking Chuck Schumer. He is, like, I mean, 1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:17.760 quite possibly the most powerful Democrat in the country, and 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:20.160 he is just straight up a collaborationist. 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:24.840 Yeah, it might legit become that like AOC is more 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:26.840 powerful than Chuck Schumer in the next few weeks, you know, 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:30.040 he is that the reaction against Chuck Schumer from establishment 1:39:30.120 --> 1:39:33.880 Democrats is stronger than anything I've ever seen from them. 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:37.760 He lost Seth Moulton, which I didn't even think was possible. Yeah, 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:40.080 But I think there's there's one more important note to 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:41.760 sort of say here, which is that, like, you know, 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:44.560 the response to this that I've largely been seeing is 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:47.320 everyone going, Okay, we need a primary these people. Okay, 1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:49.720 are you looking at the rate at which stuff is 1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:52.720 happening in this country? Like you do you think that 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:54.600 we are going to be able to wait until the 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:55.840 fucking primaries? 1:39:55.920 --> 1:39:57.680 Yeah, six years the seventh places, right. 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:00.560 Yeah, until we can like a t to fucking do 1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:03.759 shit here, Like absolutely not. No, they were like there 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:06.920 literally is regardless of what you think about electoralism as 1:40:06.920 --> 1:40:10.240 a strategy, there is literally not time to wait until 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:13.320 the next election cycle. Like again, they have defunded the 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:16.720 nuke police for the third time. So the opposition to 1:40:16.800 --> 1:40:18.719 this isn't going to come from inside of the electoral 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:20.479 system because again that ever coats are being run by 1:40:20.479 --> 1:40:22.760 collaborators and there's not enough time to fucking oust them. 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:25.320 So if you if you want this to not continue, 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:27.160 you were going to You're going to have to find 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.479 ways to do organizing outside of that system. We have 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:33.840 approximately one million episodes about this. You can also go 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:36.839 back to my you already know how to organize episode. 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:40.400 But yeah, look, call your centator if you want too. 1:40:40.520 --> 1:40:43.160 But if that's the net total of your political activity, 1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:45.000 then like right now, it's probably not going to make 1:40:45.000 --> 1:40:48.160 a difference in time, and really consider it it's the 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:51.519 most useful use of your time. Yeah, and maybe make 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:54.920 some beans or sew something nice for someone instead. Well 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:57.280 as well, you could listen to it while you sew 1:40:57.360 --> 1:41:00.400 something nice. You could call them while you're cooking, you'll beans. 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:04.960 Hell yeah, well this has been It could happen here. Yeah, 1:41:05.040 --> 1:41:09.920 down with the collaborationists. Yeah, fuck them. Yeah, absolutely fucking fun. 1:41:10.040 --> 1:41:12.400 Chuck Schume in particular. 1:41:34.160 --> 1:41:38.160 This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Tesla 1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:42.920 derangement syndrome is sweeping the nation the last week. On 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:47.120 March eleventh, President Donald Trump starred in a thirty five 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:51.320 minute Tesla commercial broadcast live from the White House driveway 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:56.120 to news stations across the country. This presidential ad campaign 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:58.880 started with Trump announcing that he himself would buy a 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:03.599 Tesla in some of his unique advisor Elon Musk, whose 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.920 business ventures have taken a sour turn as of late, 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:11.240 to assist Trump with his purchase, The South Lawn was 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:15.599 temporarily turned into a Tesla showroom with five different models 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:18.240 parked in a row to choose which shiny new car 1:42:18.360 --> 1:42:22.360 to buy. A significant portion of this Tesla sales event 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:26.799 was spent by Trump praising Elon Musk's work at DOGE, 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:32.120 as well as Elon's business ventures, and complaining about people 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:37.200 treating Elon Musk unfairly, saying that he quote shouldn't be 1:42:37.360 --> 1:42:39.520 penalized because he's a patriot. 1:42:40.160 --> 1:42:42.920 My guess, I'm just telling people, this man is a 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:47.479 great patriot, and you should cherish him. You should cherish him. 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:47.600 You know. 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:48.599 I have a little statement. 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:50.960 We have to take care of our high IQ people 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:52.559 because we don't have too many of them. 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:54.320 We got to take care of him. 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.799 As for the cars, Trump mentioned that he actually already 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.960 a cyber truck for his granddaughter Kai, which Trump called 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:08.160 the coolest design, but this time he chose a red 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:12.080 Tesla model. S Upon climbing in the car that secret 1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:15.360 service does not allow him to operate, Trump remarked, Wow, 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:21.000 everything's computer. At the end of the live streamed Tesla commercial, 1:43:21.320 --> 1:43:23.720 Trump said that he would pay with a check, though 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:26.599 for the duration of the event, Trump served as both 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:30.400 buyer and salesman as he read off from a sheet 1:43:30.479 --> 1:43:34.000 of notes on pricing and features for various Tesla models, 1:43:34.520 --> 1:43:37.120 like how quote Tesla's can be purchased for as low 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:38.679 as two ninety nine a month. 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:41.559 So I'm out of information that's put into priv Yeah, 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.760 I want to make a good deal here, you know, 1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:48.120 I do notice this they have won, which is thirty 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:50.920 five thousand dollars, which is pretty low. What is that 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:51.479 all about? 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:55.960 This whole charade was an explicit attempt to rescue Tesla's 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:59.560 plummeting stock price and help foster a new demographic of 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:03.599 electric car buyers, anti wo conservatives looking to show support 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.599 of Elon Musk, Doge, and the new Trump administration through 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:10.960 consumer purchases. Trump himself said that he hoped doing ads 1:44:11.040 --> 1:44:14.240 for Tesla on the White House driveway would help Tesla's 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:19.040 stock value and encouraged others to buy Elon's cars. The 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:22.720 next day, Tesla shares did rise four percent, but are 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:26.680 now trending back down amid a global wave of protests 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:30.720 against Tesla four Musk's involvement with Doge and the Trump administration, 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:36.960 as well as Elon's Nazi curious behavior. Trump has tried 1:44:37.000 --> 1:44:39.439 to face this wave of hate against his new best friend, 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:43.519 head On truthing on his platform of choice Truth social 1:44:43.760 --> 1:44:47.400 last week quote, Elon Musk is putting it on the 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:50.000 line in order to help our nation, and he is 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:54.559 doing a fantastic job. But the radical left lunatics, as 1:44:54.680 --> 1:44:59.960 they often do, are trying to illegally and collusively boycott Tesla, 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:04.320 one of the world's greatest automakers and Elon's quote unquote baby, 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:07.800 in order to attack and do harm to Elon and 1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:11.000 everything he stands for. They tried to do it to 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:14.120 me at the twenty twenty four presidential ballot box. But 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:15.599 how did that work out? 1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:16.560 Unquote. 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:21.439 There's a lot to impact there, from Trump calling Tesla 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:25.040 Elon's baby, despite Elon carrying around his baby at the 1:45:25.080 --> 1:45:29.479 White House near twenty four to seven, to bizarrely declaring 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:34.160 protest boycotts as illegal. Not only has Trump called the 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:37.599 Tesla boycott illegal, but during the White House car commercial, 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:40.720 he announced that vandalism of Tesla's will be labeled as 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:45.960 domestic terrorism, promising that perpetrators will quote unquote go through hell. 1:45:46.760 --> 1:45:50.679 White House spokesperson Harrison Fields said, quote ongoing and heinous 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:55.040 acts of violence against Tesla by radical leftist activists are 1:45:55.160 --> 1:46:00.559 nothing short of domestic terror unquote. There's certainly has been 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:04.280 a surge of violence targeted at Tesla vehicles and dealerships, 1:46:04.720 --> 1:46:08.240 which I will discuss in detail later this episode, but 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:10.720 for the past months, there's also been a wave of 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:15.680 nonviolent protests and mass mobilization against Musk and Tesla at 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:19.400 dealerships all around the country and even overseas, which the 1:46:19.479 --> 1:46:23.799 aforementioned boycott is a part of the quote unquote Tesla 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:28.400 takedown protests. Call to quote sell your Tesla's, dump your stock, 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:32.360 join the picket lines. We're tanking Tesla's stock price to 1:46:32.520 --> 1:46:37.040 stop Musk unquote. Their website has a map of Tesla 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:40.320 dealerships around the world and a list of upcoming protests 1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:44.120 at various locations, which can be searched through via zip code. 1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:48.879 There have been reoccurring weekly protests at dealerships every Saturday 1:46:49.080 --> 1:46:52.479 in cities across the country, with demonstrations at more than 1:46:52.560 --> 1:46:57.599 fifty Tesla showrooms attracting crowds of between dozens to a thousand, 1:46:57.920 --> 1:47:03.439 like in tucsona, Arizona. The boycotts and public demonstrations certainly 1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:08.559 aren't helping Tesla's stock price and international reputation, but they 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:12.439 are not the only display of displeasure directed at Elon 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:16.479 and Tesla, as others are employing more direct methods to 1:47:16.600 --> 1:47:24.040 damage the company. Beyond peaceful protests, picketings, short lived dealership occupations, 1:47:24.320 --> 1:47:29.120 and waiving anti Elon Musk signs outside Tesla stores. Tesla 1:47:29.200 --> 1:47:34.840 vehicles themselves have become the nation's hottest graffiti mural service. Actually, 1:47:35.080 --> 1:47:38.160 around the world, people have been using Tesla's to scribble 1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:42.240 epithets against Elon Musk and Donald Trump. Even some eco 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:46.200 conscious owners of Tesla vehicles have defaced their own cars 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:49.519 with stickers that read I bought this before he was 1:47:49.560 --> 1:47:52.519 a Nazi, which, hey, you can also put on your 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:57.720 old Kanye West records. Speaking of Kanye West, some individuals 1:47:57.840 --> 1:48:02.680 have taken to marking Teslaus with a swastika, which at 1:48:02.760 --> 1:48:06.920 first raised eyebrows and confused some investigators as typically when 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:10.679 there's swastika graffiti, it's supposed to be anti Semitic in nature, 1:48:11.320 --> 1:48:15.360 whereas in this case, based on external factors, this is 1:48:15.520 --> 1:48:18.840 most likely a public attempt to link Elon Musk and 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:24.000 Tesla with Nazism, following Musk's own anti Semitic posts, fall 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:28.960 right politics, and the whole salute thing. Stickers and flyers 1:48:29.000 --> 1:48:32.479 have spread from the UK to San Francisco, reading don't 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:36.120 buy a swasti car, but it's not all stickers and 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:40.080 graffiti we'll talk about the other Tesla attacks after this 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:40.760 ad break. 1:48:50.840 --> 1:48:51.679 Okay, we're back. 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:56.439 One of the most bizarre instances of Tesla vandalism was 1:48:56.479 --> 1:49:01.000 when forty four wheels were stolen off twelve sold Tesla's 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:05.760 in a Texas parking lot on Valentine's Day. Investigators say 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:08.719 they don't currently have any leads since the nearby security 1:49:08.800 --> 1:49:12.439 cameras weren't recording and the Tesla cameras were not active. 1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:16.400 These Teslas were actually being stored in an Amazon parking 1:49:16.439 --> 1:49:20.360 lot six miles away from their home dealership. Allegedly, Tesla 1:49:20.520 --> 1:49:23.439 is contracting with other businesses to store their cars. A 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:28.280 midwave of vandalism at Tesla dealerships. On March eleventh, wheels 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:32.080 were damaged on multiple vehicles at a Tesla dealership in Dedham, Massachusetts. 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:38.000 In Meyers, California, Tesla superchargers keep being sabotaged, with epoxy 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:42.080 found in the charging cable and anti elon musk graffiti 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:47.559 with chargers marked with swastikas. Seven Tesla charging stations at 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:50.920 a shopping center were arsened outside of Boston, Massachusetts, on 1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:55.080 March third, and on March seventh, Maltov cocktails were thrown 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:59.040 at a Tesla charging station in South Carolina with long 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:03.280 live Ukraine on the ground in red paint. A twenty 1:50:03.360 --> 1:50:06.719 four year old man was taken into custody on March thirteenth. 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:12.280 But it's not just wheel thefts and supercharger sabotage. Tesla 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:16.040 dealerships have been a target for anti musk graffiti, vandalism, 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:21.200 and armed attacks. Some commentators have been conflating the picketing 1:50:21.240 --> 1:50:26.400 protests and graffiti with actual instances of arson and property destruction, 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:30.360 people like libs of TikTok labeling simple spray paint as 1:50:30.439 --> 1:50:35.680 quote unquote trans violence or trans terrorism, which is not 1:50:35.800 --> 1:50:38.559 to say some people aren't taking a more destructive approach 1:50:38.720 --> 1:50:42.960 towards their elon musk grievances. Whether that qualifies as terrorism 1:50:43.080 --> 1:50:46.439 is another issue though. On January twentieth, a man wearing 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:51.439 black pulling a wheelie cart approached a Tesla dealership in Salem, Oregon, 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:55.519 and threw a Molotov cocktail at a cyber truck. Surveillance 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:59.040 footage shows the man pull out ignite and throw three 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:03.360 more Molotov cocktails from his rolling cart before realizing an 1:51:03.400 --> 1:51:07.160 eyewitness is charging their Tesla nearby. The man in black 1:51:07.240 --> 1:51:11.000 pulls out a suppressor mounted AR style rifle and points 1:51:11.040 --> 1:51:13.879 it at the witness as they drive away, before continuing 1:51:13.920 --> 1:51:17.120 to throw more Molotov cocktails at parked vehicles. A rock 1:51:17.280 --> 1:51:19.839 was used to break the glass of the dealership showroom, 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:24.200 and another Molotov cocktail was thrown inside the building. A 1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:27.719 criminal complaint claims that this incident caused around five hundred 1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:31.679 thousand dollars in damage to the dealership, including damaging seven 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:36.479 Tesla vehicles. A month later, on February nineteenth, the same 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:40.439 dealership was hit again, this time with gunshots breaking through 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:44.519 windows and hitting vehicles. In early March, a forty one 1:51:44.600 --> 1:51:47.439 year old man was arrested in connection to both incidents, 1:51:47.880 --> 1:51:51.599 with court documents claiming fingerprints were identified on recovered glass 1:51:51.720 --> 1:51:55.120 bottles used for explosive devices and the suspects car was 1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:58.479 identified in footage captured by a police car parked near 1:51:58.600 --> 1:52:02.799 the Tesla dealership a bit north of Salem. In Tigered, Oregon, 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:05.720 there have been two incidents of gunshots being fired at 1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:09.599 a testa dealership just this month. A Tigered police press 1:52:09.640 --> 1:52:12.679 release reads quote for the second time in a week, 1:52:13.000 --> 1:52:16.520 Tigered police are investigating shots fired at a Tesla dealership 1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:20.519 Early this morning, March thirteen, twenty twenty five, around four 1:52:20.640 --> 1:52:23.880 fifteen am, more than a dozen shots were fired at 1:52:23.920 --> 1:52:27.839 the dealership, causing extensive damage to cars and showroom windows. 1:52:28.120 --> 1:52:28.559 Unquote. 1:52:29.240 --> 1:52:31.800 There's also been a series of incidents at a Tesla 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:36.240 dealership in northern Colorado. A spree of anti musk graffiti 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:40.320 and vandalism started in January, with Molotov cocktail style and 1:52:40.439 --> 1:52:44.320 scendiary devices found on the scene. On February seventh, police 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:47.519 responded to a call about graffiti and possible arson at 1:52:47.560 --> 1:52:51.040 the dealership. A few days later, a security guard confronted 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:55.000 an individual spray painting the front windows of the dealership, 1:52:55.280 --> 1:52:58.800 and on February twenty fourth, a suspect was arrested at 1:52:58.880 --> 1:53:02.400 the dealership, a li a, llegedly in possession of bottles 1:53:02.479 --> 1:53:03.360 and gasoline. 1:53:03.880 --> 1:53:04.639 She was charged. 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:09.559 In late February, another person was arrested allegedly in connection 1:53:09.720 --> 1:53:13.280 to a similar, yet unrelated incident at the very same 1:53:13.360 --> 1:53:18.120 dealership in Loveland, Colorado, after molotov cocktail style device was 1:53:18.160 --> 1:53:22.200 found burning between two Tesla vehicles on March seventh. Rocks 1:53:22.240 --> 1:53:25.719 were also used to damage both the building and multiple 1:53:25.800 --> 1:53:30.519 cars at around eleven pm on Sunday, March ninth, four 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:33.680 cyber trucks erupted into flames at a Tesla parking lot 1:53:33.760 --> 1:53:38.000 in Seattle, Washington. On Monday, March seventeenth, two cyber trucks 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:40.320 were set on fire at a dealership in Kansas City. 1:53:40.880 --> 1:53:43.400 Here's how local TV news reported the incident. 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:47.800 Around eleven pm, officers were called to a fire at 1:53:47.840 --> 1:53:48.240 a car. 1:53:48.200 --> 1:53:51.280 Lot car Hire Dealer shifts in the parking lot. 1:53:51.400 --> 1:53:54.679 AKCPD officer was close by when he noticed smoke coming 1:53:54.760 --> 1:53:58.440 from a Tesla cybertruck. The officer used his fire extinguisher 1:53:58.560 --> 1:54:00.719 to try to put out the flames, but the fire 1:54:00.880 --> 1:54:04.200 continued to spread. CASEFD was called into help. 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:06.960 Our crews got on scene and the fire was in 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:10.160 two cyber trucks. It had spread from one to the other. 1:54:11.320 --> 1:54:13.360 We were able to get water on them. Copey, this 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:14.800 amounts for water. Get the fire out. 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:15.559 Now. 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:19.599 Federal agencies are getting involved. We saw an ATF officer 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:22.920 with a bag of evidence. They say this incident follow 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:27.520 similar reports from across the country of violence at Tesla dealerships. 1:54:27.680 --> 1:54:29.320 I mean you're eventually going to get caught right. 1:54:29.840 --> 1:54:33.240 Reaction to this incident has been mixed with some condemning 1:54:33.320 --> 1:54:35.720 the crime and others who see it as a former 1:54:35.840 --> 1:54:37.360 protest towards the automaker. 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:40.600 And just a few days ago, on March eighteenth, an 1:54:40.680 --> 1:54:44.760 individual addressed in all black fired gunshots and through maltov cocktails, 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:49.440 damaging five cars at a Tesla service center in Las Vegas. 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:53.320 The Las Vegas Review Journal writes that the FBI Joint 1:54:53.480 --> 1:54:57.360 Terrorism Task Force is investigating the matter. Quote agents arrived 1:54:57.400 --> 1:55:00.360 at the scene early Tuesday, according to FBI by Agent 1:55:00.440 --> 1:55:04.160 in Charge Spencer Evans. Evans said that while it was 1:55:04.200 --> 1:55:07.920 too early to call the attack in active terrorism, it 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:12.160 had quote unquote some of the hallmarks and a potential 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:17.240 political agenda unquote. Now this particular instant in Las Vegas 1:55:17.840 --> 1:55:19.960 really got to Elon Musk, who spent the rest of 1:55:19.960 --> 1:55:23.040 the day complaining on Twitter that Tesla has quote done 1:55:23.120 --> 1:55:28.320 nothing to deserve these evil attacks unquote. Attacks on Tesla 1:55:28.440 --> 1:55:32.240 have not been contained to the United States. In early 1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:35.920 March twelve, Teslas parked outside of a dealership in southern 1:55:35.960 --> 1:55:40.720 France were set ablaze, and outside Berlin, unknown persons set 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:44.839 fire to a high voltage transmission line on a power pylon, 1:55:45.280 --> 1:55:48.800 cutting power to a massive Tesla manufacturing plant in Germany 1:55:49.120 --> 1:55:52.839 for multiple days. This follows a series of direct actions 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:56.200 and a forest encampment where the Tesla gigafactory seeks to 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:59.920 expand by leveling two hundred and fifty acres of forest. 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:04.080 The German forest encampment lasted nine months before being successfully 1:56:04.160 --> 1:56:08.040 raided by police this last November, with police destroying treehouses 1:56:08.160 --> 1:56:12.440 and trashing tents. After the whole My Heart goes out 1:56:12.520 --> 1:56:16.959 to You salute and subsequent endorsement of AfD, Musk's reputation 1:56:17.120 --> 1:56:21.600 in Germany specifically is suffering steep decline. To quote the 1:56:21.720 --> 1:56:25.000 Washington Post quote, Tesla stock has fallen by more than 1:56:25.120 --> 1:56:28.640 thirty five percent since Trump's inauguration, and last year the 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:31.880 company suffered its first annual sales drop in more than 1:56:31.920 --> 1:56:36.200 a decade. In Germany, Tesla car sales plummeted by seventy 1:56:36.320 --> 1:56:40.879 six percent in February compared with a year earlier, according 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:44.560 to figures released Wednesday, and some owners have expressed buyer's 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:47.760 remorse over owning a car some now see as a 1:56:47.840 --> 1:56:51.600 symbol of far right politics, a stark departure from the 1:56:51.720 --> 1:56:56.760 environmental consciousness it once epitomized, and we'll talk more about 1:56:56.840 --> 1:57:01.520 how these protests are affecting Tesla's international resputation after this 1:57:01.760 --> 1:57:16.120 ad break. Okay, we're back right. After the November election, 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:20.280 Tesla stock surged to a never before seen high of 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:25.320 one point five four trillion dollars, but as Musk's direct 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:28.320 involvement in the government was ramped up, Tesla has fallen 1:57:28.360 --> 1:57:32.360 to about seven hundred and seventy seven billion. The massively 1:57:32.440 --> 1:57:36.240 inflated value of Tesla stock is directly related to the 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:41.280 public perception of Elon Musk and Tesla stock greatly determines 1:57:41.400 --> 1:57:44.640 Musk's own net worth, which is down more than one 1:57:44.760 --> 1:57:48.280 hundred and forty billion from this past to December peak. 1:57:49.160 --> 1:57:53.240 When Elon's reputation gets damaged, so does Tesla's and vice versa. 1:57:54.280 --> 1:57:58.720 Tesla stock has been declining for nine consecutive weeks. JP 1:57:58.880 --> 1:58:02.040 Morgan analysts recently said that Tesla has lost so much 1:58:02.160 --> 1:58:05.200 value so quick that there really isn't any comparison. 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:05.720 Quote. 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:08.600 We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history 1:58:08.640 --> 1:58:11.520 of the automotive industry in which a brand has lost 1:58:11.600 --> 1:58:16.000 so much value so quickly unquote, and Forbes writes quote 1:58:16.520 --> 1:58:19.920 last week, JP Morgan analysts described the recent melting of 1:58:20.040 --> 1:58:23.440 Tesla's perception, especially in pockets of the world in which 1:58:23.560 --> 1:58:26.800 Musk inserted himself into right wing politics, such as Germany. 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:30.080 About fifty three percent of respondents to a CNN poll 1:58:30.120 --> 1:58:33.440 published last week said that they hold a negative opinion 1:58:33.520 --> 1:58:36.000 of Musk, compared to roughly thirty five percent with a 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:41.400 positive view and eleven percent with no take unquote. Overseas, 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:45.200 Tesla sales in general are way down, even as electric 1:58:45.280 --> 1:58:49.120 vehicle purchasing is going up. New data from the European 1:58:49.160 --> 1:58:56.880 Automotive Manufacturers Association show that Tesla registrations in the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland, 1:58:57.000 --> 1:59:00.360 and the UK have dropped by forty five percent when 1:59:00.400 --> 1:59:04.360 you compare January twenty twenty four to January twenty twenty five, 1:59:04.920 --> 1:59:08.960 and this decline from Tesla comes as overall electric vehicle 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:13.160 sales have increased thirty seven percent in the same January 1:59:13.280 --> 1:59:17.200 twenty four to twenty five head to head comparison. China's 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:21.280 own evs are surpassing Tesla in global production and sales 1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:25.839 in China, which is a huge EV market, and Chinese 1:59:25.920 --> 1:59:30.040 manufacturer BYD is on track to overtake Tesla in global 1:59:30.120 --> 1:59:34.400 sales this year, and so if you consider the Tesla 1:59:34.520 --> 1:59:38.040 protests as a sort of public display of unhappiness with 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:41.680 Tesla and Elon Musk, combined with all these other economic 1:59:41.760 --> 1:59:46.800 factors impacting the automaker, if these trends continue, Musk and 1:59:46.920 --> 1:59:50.520 Tesla could be in real trouble. After the Las Vegas 1:59:50.560 --> 1:59:53.800 attack this Tuesday, Musk went onto Fox News to explain 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:55.400 the situation as he sees it. 1:59:56.160 --> 2:00:01.120 Yeah, it turns out when you take away people's you 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:04.840 know what, the money they're receiving. Fortunately, they get very 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:09.080 upset and they basically want to kill me because I'm 2:00:09.360 --> 2:00:12.920 stopping their fraud. And they want to hurt Tesla because 2:00:12.920 --> 2:00:18.120 they're stopping this terrible waste and corruption in the government. 2:00:18.880 --> 2:00:24.120 And well, I guess they're bad people. Bad people will 2:00:24.160 --> 2:00:24.760 do bad things. 2:00:26.080 --> 2:00:30.600 Essentially, Tesla is seen as an extension of Elon, and 2:00:30.800 --> 2:00:33.760 right now, Elon is seen as an extension of the 2:00:33.840 --> 2:00:37.920 Trump government, and even if people feel powerless to stop 2:00:37.960 --> 2:00:41.400 the government, hurting Tesla is seen as a much more 2:00:41.480 --> 2:00:45.160 achievable goal with ripple effects that reach Elon, Doje and 2:00:45.240 --> 2:00:50.240 the Trump administration. And compared to protesting the government. Tesla 2:00:50.440 --> 2:00:54.200 is a soft target, with cars and dealerships all across 2:00:54.240 --> 2:00:57.520 the country, not justin state capitals or in Washington, d C. 2:00:58.320 --> 2:01:02.400 Whereas government facilities are to hard targets by both being 2:01:02.520 --> 2:01:07.480 less accessible and more protected. GP Morgan analysts wrote, quote, 2:01:08.040 --> 2:01:10.760 mister Musk's work with the Department of Government Efficiency has 2:01:10.880 --> 2:01:14.840 proven controversial domestically, and while as many members of the 2:01:14.920 --> 2:01:17.600 political right may be pleased as those on the left 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:22.680 are displeased, the effect on Tesla sales seems nevertheless negative. 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:23.520 Unquote. 2:01:24.160 --> 2:01:27.080 Musk is certainly trying to make the best of it 2:01:27.360 --> 2:01:32.440 by tapping into the previously untapped ev market of mega conservatives, 2:01:33.120 --> 2:01:36.720 And though the Tesla brand is gaining popularity amongst conservatives, 2:01:37.400 --> 2:01:40.920 that demographic is just far less likely than liberals to 2:01:41.080 --> 2:01:44.760 actually switch from a gas to electric car. Still, the 2:01:44.840 --> 2:01:48.160 President and conservative media have been doing a lot of 2:01:48.400 --> 2:01:52.120 free Tesla commercials. Last week, Sean Hannity announced on air 2:01:52.240 --> 2:01:53.640 that he would be buying a Tesla. 2:01:54.120 --> 2:01:55.840 I don't believe in cancelation. 2:01:55.960 --> 2:01:59.360 I don't believe in cancel culture, you know, and I 2:01:59.480 --> 2:02:01.400 know maybe it's not going to make up a difference, 2:02:01.480 --> 2:02:03.800 but you know what, after I drove my friends Tesla, 2:02:05.240 --> 2:02:08.520 I went, and I already picked out the one I want. 2:02:08.560 --> 2:02:11.640 It's called the the what is it called the s plaid? 2:02:12.320 --> 2:02:15.400 And do you realize this thing? An electric vehicle has 2:02:16.240 --> 2:02:20.120 one thousand and six horsepower and goes from zero to 2:02:20.200 --> 2:02:23.640 sixty two in two point zero seconds. And this thing 2:02:24.040 --> 2:02:26.680 rips and you can go about four hundred miles without 2:02:26.720 --> 2:02:28.880 a charge. And I don't drive enough to go further 2:02:28.920 --> 2:02:31.840 than four hundred miles, So I'm good. And maybe it's 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:34.920 just a gesture on my part, and I like it. 2:02:35.080 --> 2:02:38.120 I like new technology, but it's just a way of saying, 2:02:38.320 --> 2:02:40.440 you know, look what they're doing to this guy. 2:02:41.040 --> 2:02:45.000 On Friday, March fourteenth, Attorney General Pam Bondi said that 2:02:45.240 --> 2:02:49.440 she is opening an investigation into the attacks against Tesla. Quote, 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:52.560 if you're going to touch a Tesla, go to a dealership, 2:02:52.760 --> 2:02:56.040 do anything, you better watch out because we're coming after you. 2:02:56.440 --> 2:02:56.919 Unquote. 2:02:57.840 --> 2:03:02.560 She released a statement on Tuesday after the Las Vegas arson, writing, quote, 2:03:03.120 --> 2:03:06.520 the swarm of violent attacks on Tesla property is nothing 2:03:06.680 --> 2:03:12.680 short of domestic terrorism unquote. Musk just can't seem to 2:03:12.840 --> 2:03:17.560 understand that tons of regular people really hate him now 2:03:18.360 --> 2:03:22.760 and instead has to invent some grand conspiracy against him. 2:03:23.440 --> 2:03:25.440 Here's how he explained it on Fox News. 2:03:26.360 --> 2:03:28.520 Yeah, I mean it's really come as quite a shock 2:03:28.600 --> 2:03:32.680 to me that there's this level of really hatred and 2:03:32.920 --> 2:03:38.520 violence from the left. I thought the left of the 2:03:38.920 --> 2:03:41.560 Democrats were supposed to be the party of empathy, the 2:03:41.680 --> 2:03:45.120 party of caring, and yet they're burning down cars, They're 2:03:45.840 --> 2:03:51.240 fire bombing dealerships, they're firing bullets into dealerships, They're just 2:03:51.520 --> 2:03:55.040 you know, smashing up Tesla's. Tesla is a peaceful company. 2:03:55.080 --> 2:03:58.400 We've never done anything hopeful. I've never done anything hawful. 2:03:58.400 --> 2:03:59.520 I've only done productive things. 2:04:00.120 --> 2:04:02.360 So I think we just have. 2:04:03.880 --> 2:04:05.800 A deranged it. 2:04:06.240 --> 2:04:07.960 There's some kind of mental illness thing going on here, 2:04:08.000 --> 2:04:09.280 because this doesn't make any sense. 2:04:11.120 --> 2:04:13.400 Yeah, I think there are larger forces at work as well. 2:04:13.440 --> 2:04:15.640 I mean, I don't know who's funding it and who's coordinating, 2:04:15.720 --> 2:04:18.760 because this is crazy. I've never seen anything like this. 2:04:20.160 --> 2:04:23.600 On X the Everything app. Musk is much more open 2:04:23.680 --> 2:04:28.640 about who he suspects are these larger forces. Musk has 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:34.280 spread claims that quote unquote multiple Democrat NGOs are coordinating 2:04:34.400 --> 2:04:39.400 quote attacks on Tesla dealerships, staff, and vehicles. Last night, 2:04:39.440 --> 2:04:42.320 a number of cyber trucks were torched in Seattle. Democrats 2:04:42.360 --> 2:04:45.280 are becoming increasingly more desperate and violent. 2:04:45.600 --> 2:04:46.040 Unquote. 2:04:46.920 --> 2:04:50.960 People in Musk's replies posted about how protesters are being 2:04:51.040 --> 2:04:55.600 paid by quote Democrat fundraising platform Act Blue, which is 2:04:55.680 --> 2:04:56.800 funded by Soros. 2:04:57.000 --> 2:04:57.440 Unquote. 2:04:58.240 --> 2:05:01.680 Act Blue seems to be the rights new favorite conspiracy 2:05:01.760 --> 2:05:05.920 topic from claiming that you said was illegally laundering money 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:09.400 to Democrats through Act Blue, and now that Act Blue 2:05:09.440 --> 2:05:13.400 itself has the ability to funnel money to activist groups. 2:05:14.320 --> 2:05:17.960 Act Blue doesn't give away money or directly fund anything. 2:05:18.360 --> 2:05:22.400 It's a donation based platform for registered organizations. This is 2:05:22.520 --> 2:05:24.680 like saying go fundme paid. 2:05:24.520 --> 2:05:25.680 For your top surgery. 2:05:26.520 --> 2:05:31.480 No people donated on a fundraising platform. But nevertheless, this 2:05:31.680 --> 2:05:35.440 claim is going gangbusters on X the Everything app and 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:40.000 being boosted by Musk and his associates. A popular right 2:05:40.080 --> 2:05:45.280 wing politics account on X called insurrection Barbie posted that quote. 2:05:45.640 --> 2:05:48.280 Attacks on the Tesla dealerships, which have been linked to 2:05:48.360 --> 2:05:53.320 the Indivisible Project, a left of Stalin ngo that organizes 2:05:53.400 --> 2:05:57.400 street protests for the Democratic Party with shady prepaid debit 2:05:57.480 --> 2:06:01.960 cards that they run through Act Blue, are committing economic 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:05.960 terrorism meant to Tank Tesla's stock and drive a wedge 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:07.400 between Musk and Trump. 2:06:07.920 --> 2:06:08.400 Unquote. 2:06:10.000 --> 2:06:15.520 Elon himself has claimed that a mysterious investigation quote unquote 2:06:16.480 --> 2:06:20.320 has found quote five Act Blue funded groups responsible for 2:06:20.400 --> 2:06:26.520 the Tesla protests, Troublemakers, Disruption Project, Rise and Resist, Indivisible Project, 2:06:26.840 --> 2:06:32.800 and Democratic Socialists of America. Act Blue funders include George Soros, 2:06:33.120 --> 2:06:38.360 Reed Hoffman, Herbert Sandler, Patricia Bowman, and Leah Hunt Hendrix. 2:06:38.880 --> 2:06:42.200 If you know anything about this, please post in the replies. 2:06:42.680 --> 2:06:49.080 Thanks Elon unquote. Now, the main organizations behind the Tesla 2:06:49.240 --> 2:06:53.440 takedown protests, two activist groups called the Troublemakers and the 2:06:53.600 --> 2:06:58.400 Disruption Project, don't even fundraise on Act Blue, that they 2:06:58.440 --> 2:07:02.400 have no affiliation, but that hasn't stopped Elon from targeting 2:07:02.440 --> 2:07:06.280 specific activists and accusing them of committing crimes simply for 2:07:06.600 --> 2:07:11.640 organizing pickets outside stores, meanwhile invoking the old antisemitic George 2:07:11.720 --> 2:07:16.720 Soros conspiracy as Elon himself has funneled hundreds of millions 2:07:16.760 --> 2:07:19.600 of dollars to right wing politicians this past year, and 2:07:19.680 --> 2:07:23.160 has threatened to primary any Republican Congressman who doesn't cave 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:27.040 on Trump's agenda. So anyway, that is what's happening with 2:07:27.520 --> 2:07:32.800 Tesla derangement syndrome all across the country and even the world. 2:07:34.000 --> 2:07:36.760 Every day it feels like we are getting closer and 2:07:37.040 --> 2:07:39.000 closer to the cool zone. 2:07:39.640 --> 2:08:03.800 See you on the other side, Oh Lord, that the 2:08:03.880 --> 2:08:08.040 coming has begun, The coming has begun. This is that 2:08:08.240 --> 2:08:09.000 could happen here. 2:08:09.280 --> 2:08:13.400 Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the 2:08:13.440 --> 2:08:15.680 White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you. 2:08:15.800 --> 2:08:18.400 I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, 2:08:18.480 --> 2:08:19.360 and Robert Evans. 2:08:19.640 --> 2:08:23.640 Yes, and as James Stout just noted, the coming has begun, 2:08:23.920 --> 2:08:26.120 so we're going to also begin. 2:08:27.040 --> 2:08:29.480 This episode we are covering the week of March twelve 2:08:29.520 --> 2:08:32.800 to March nineteen. Obviously, the most important piece of news 2:08:32.880 --> 2:08:39.080 right now is that Minnesota Republican state Senator Justin aich Lord, 2:08:39.520 --> 2:08:41.960 who just last week sponsored or co sponsored a bill 2:08:42.080 --> 2:08:45.280 that that legally recognizes Trump derangement syndrome as a mental 2:08:45.280 --> 2:08:49.280 illness which disqualifies you from possessing firearms, was literally that 2:08:49.440 --> 2:08:53.040 same day rested in a sting operation for trying to 2:08:53.200 --> 2:08:55.520 meet up with and have sex with a minor. 2:08:57.080 --> 2:09:01.320 Like literally he was like to have been texting this. 2:09:01.800 --> 2:09:03.760 He thought what he thought was a kid, but what 2:09:03.920 --> 2:09:08.040 was really a federal agent while he was finalizing the language. 2:09:08.360 --> 2:09:14.320 It's it's it's truly phenomenal. Pedal club theory never fails. Anyway, 2:09:14.440 --> 2:09:18.240 Let's move on to the actual important stress, which is 2:09:18.360 --> 2:09:19.000 mostly bad. 2:09:19.120 --> 2:09:20.960 This has been a pretty rough week. Yeah, it's been 2:09:20.960 --> 2:09:21.680 a pretty rough week. 2:09:21.680 --> 2:09:22.280 It sucked. 2:09:22.400 --> 2:09:26.840 Yes, So I guess I'll turn to James Stout me, Hi, everyone, hija, 2:09:26.960 --> 2:09:31.560 Well the day you're listening, it's it's neuro's neurosis bab yeah, yeah, 2:09:31.600 --> 2:09:32.440 Burdish listeners. 2:09:32.800 --> 2:09:33.040 See. 2:09:33.560 --> 2:09:36.080 So I want to talk today about rendition, and this 2:09:36.120 --> 2:09:39.080 has been reported his deportation. Like, I guess it technically 2:09:39.160 --> 2:09:42.040 falls within deportation. But what's happening here is that the 2:09:42.280 --> 2:09:46.560 Trump administration has begun renditioning people who it accuses of 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:49.800 being members of trender Ragua, which is a Venezuelan gang 2:09:50.120 --> 2:09:54.160 and the La Mara Sabbath the MS thirteen as they're 2:09:54.160 --> 2:09:54.480 known here. 2:09:54.560 --> 2:09:54.680 Right. 2:09:55.280 --> 2:09:59.360 It has done this based on something called the Alien 2:09:59.600 --> 2:10:02.440 Enemy to Act. The way it's able to use the 2:10:02.520 --> 2:10:05.560 Alien Enemies Act is that it has designated these gangs 2:10:05.560 --> 2:10:10.480 as foreign terrorist organizations rather than as like international crime organizations, 2:10:11.080 --> 2:10:13.680 and it's usually Alien Enemies Act to expedite their removal. 2:10:13.920 --> 2:10:16.879 We spoke about the Alien Enemies Act in a podcast 2:10:16.960 --> 2:10:21.040 that I made last November with Robin Sophe about parts 2:10:21.040 --> 2:10:22.920 of the Lord that Trump administration might use for its 2:10:22.960 --> 2:10:27.520 mass deportation agenda. They're now using this one, and very briefly, 2:10:27.600 --> 2:10:29.200 it's a two hundred and twenty six year old piece 2:10:29.200 --> 2:10:31.560 of legislation that hasn't been used since World War Two, 2:10:32.000 --> 2:10:34.640 when it was used to justifying tournament camps, which were 2:10:34.680 --> 2:10:39.360 a bad thing. These people aren't being deported back to Venezuela, right. 2:10:39.400 --> 2:10:42.480 The US doesn't have relations with the Moduro regime, although 2:10:42.920 --> 2:10:46.040 it has deported people back to Venezuela on an airline 2:10:46.080 --> 2:10:49.000 that was previously sanctioned, which could now land in the 2:10:49.080 --> 2:10:52.640 US for the express purpose of deportations, which is great. Instead, 2:10:52.680 --> 2:10:55.640 they're being sent to Al Salvador. They're being sent there 2:10:55.760 --> 2:10:59.400 with no trial or hearing or seemingly right to appeal. 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:02.200 When they get to El Salvador, they've been parade in 2:11:02.280 --> 2:11:05.960 front of video cameras. Very degrading treatment. Right. Their hair 2:11:06.080 --> 2:11:08.640 is being shaped, sort of being walked with their heads 2:11:08.720 --> 2:11:12.000 forced down, they're being filmed on their knees while all 2:11:12.080 --> 2:11:15.480 their hair and facial hair is removed, and then they're 2:11:15.520 --> 2:11:18.600 being sent to second If you're not familiar with this, 2:11:19.280 --> 2:11:22.200 it was the subject of State Department human rights reports 2:11:22.400 --> 2:11:25.400 very recently, and now we are sending people there. It's 2:11:25.400 --> 2:11:28.600 a mega prison in El Salvador. It roughly translates terrorism 2:11:28.720 --> 2:11:32.880 confinement or terrorism detention center. I guess it's been very 2:11:32.960 --> 2:11:36.080 recently built by Bokel who's the president of El Salvador, 2:11:36.160 --> 2:11:40.040 and it's part of his Supermanodoro like Iron Fist. Super 2:11:40.080 --> 2:11:43.000 Iron Fist would be the way you were translated. I guess. 2:11:43.400 --> 2:11:47.080 It is routinely criticized by human rights organizations for the 2:11:47.120 --> 2:11:50.120 disgusting conditions of people are kept in right, the United 2:11:50.160 --> 2:11:54.800 States government intended to send three hundred people there, and 2:11:55.120 --> 2:11:58.240 in return it paid six million dollars to El Salvador 2:11:58.320 --> 2:12:01.000 for the cost of their detention. At the time that 2:12:01.120 --> 2:12:03.680 I wrote this, two hundred and thirty eight people who 2:12:03.720 --> 2:12:05.880 were accused of being part of trendell our work was 2:12:05.920 --> 2:12:08.920 sent there, and then twenty three who accused of being 2:12:08.960 --> 2:12:15.200 part of MS thirty. They were removed on flights the trumpdministrations, 2:12:15.280 --> 2:12:17.800 claiming they were removed before a district court judge in 2:12:17.840 --> 2:12:21.040 DC blocked their removals. But there are a series of 2:12:21.120 --> 2:12:22.960 timelines that you can see online, some of which will 2:12:22.960 --> 2:12:24.520 be linked in the source of this episode, would suggest 2:12:24.520 --> 2:12:28.200 that they were in the air when he blocked their removals. Nonetheless, 2:12:28.960 --> 2:12:32.400 the judge very explicitly said, I'm quoting here. Any plane 2:12:32.440 --> 2:12:34.360 containing these folks that is going to take off or 2:12:34.440 --> 2:12:35.800 is in the air needs to be returned to the 2:12:35.920 --> 2:12:38.640 United States. This is something that you need to make 2:12:38.680 --> 2:12:41.480 sure is complied with immediately. This did not happen. The 2:12:41.560 --> 2:12:45.320 planes continued traveling to Ossabadoid, stopped in Honduras, and then 2:12:45.680 --> 2:12:48.560 these people were paraded before the cameras, right, and they're 2:12:48.600 --> 2:12:51.240 now presumably being detained in this prison, which doesn't let 2:12:51.280 --> 2:12:55.320 basic s ender the human rights. The government has given 2:12:55.440 --> 2:13:00.240 various reasons for ignoring this ruling from the judge. Press 2:13:00.240 --> 2:13:02.520 Sextuary Caroline leave It claimed that there was quote no 2:13:02.600 --> 2:13:06.600 lawful basis for it. Obviously that the process here is, 2:13:06.640 --> 2:13:08.800 if you don't believe then judicial ruling is correct, you 2:13:09.160 --> 2:13:11.400 stop doing the thing and appeal it. You don't just 2:13:11.520 --> 2:13:13.760 keep doing the thing and say like, oh, well, I 2:13:13.800 --> 2:13:16.680 don't believe you. It's not true. Obviously, this only matters 2:13:16.720 --> 2:13:18.919 in so far as the judge can enforce his decision. 2:13:19.320 --> 2:13:21.360 They also claimed in court that the verbal order that 2:13:21.440 --> 2:13:23.400 the judge gave is not the same as a written one, 2:13:24.000 --> 2:13:26.760 and they claim that because the flights where every international waters, 2:13:26.960 --> 2:13:29.520 this was a foreign policy matter, and that the judge 2:13:29.520 --> 2:13:32.080 couldn't intervene in a foreign policy matter. That's a power 2:13:32.120 --> 2:13:33.360 of this reserve to the executive. 2:13:34.040 --> 2:13:36.520 I mean, like all of these justifications are really like 2:13:36.680 --> 2:13:39.400 freaky in terms of constitutional power and stuff. 2:13:39.520 --> 2:13:41.800 Yeah, this is there are fringes on the flag, so 2:13:41.880 --> 2:13:43.480 Admiralty Court apply is kind of done. 2:13:43.560 --> 2:13:46.960 Yeah, But specifically that last one, being like it doesn't 2:13:47.080 --> 2:13:51.640 count because we're over international waters is like, yeah, super 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:54.400 frightening in terms of like human rights abuse. 2:13:54.440 --> 2:13:57.280 This that's not the way anything works, especially since it 2:13:57.440 --> 2:13:58.720 was like a US airline. 2:13:59.040 --> 2:14:02.560 Yeah yeah, and in terms of yeah, you basically don't 2:14:02.560 --> 2:14:06.360 have human rights because like it's they're forcing a loophole 2:14:06.400 --> 2:14:08.680 that doesn't exist in the same way that George W. 2:14:08.840 --> 2:14:11.880 Bush did in the in the early two thousands with 2:14:11.920 --> 2:14:14.480 Guantanamo Bay. He was never stopped from doing it. 2:14:14.680 --> 2:14:14.920 Yeah. 2:14:15.320 --> 2:14:17.400 Yeah, well, I I honestly I think I think the 2:14:17.480 --> 2:14:20.560 thing that this is closer to is the other things. 2:14:20.640 --> 2:14:22.680 So I think Guantanamo Bay is the one that gets remembered. 2:14:22.760 --> 2:14:25.080 But the other part of the CIA torture program was 2:14:25.760 --> 2:14:32.200 the US would just ship people off to places like Syria. Yeah, yeah, Syria. 2:14:32.280 --> 2:14:37.920 Egypt is Syria and the egypt biggest Yeah maybe yeah, yeah, 2:14:37.960 --> 2:14:38.640 we did need you to. 2:14:39.440 --> 2:14:43.000 Syria's torture program had largely been cobbled together by a 2:14:43.080 --> 2:14:44.080 former SS guy. 2:14:44.200 --> 2:14:45.040 It's all, It's very good. 2:14:45.480 --> 2:14:45.680 Yeah. 2:14:45.760 --> 2:14:49.200 I also want to read a line from the legal 2:14:49.320 --> 2:14:51.600 argument that Trump's lawyers made before this judge, because it 2:14:51.720 --> 2:14:56.160 is fucking horrifying. Quote, enemy aliens are not entitled to 2:14:56.200 --> 2:14:59.240 seek any relief or protection in the country that doesign 2:14:59.240 --> 2:15:02.120 get the enemy is absent dispensation by the president c 2:15:02.360 --> 2:15:06.400 Citizens Protection League. And then in parentheses noting common law 2:15:06.520 --> 2:15:10.000 ruling that alien enemies have no rights, no privileges unless 2:15:10.000 --> 2:15:12.960 by the king's special favor. So every single part that 2:15:13.080 --> 2:15:15.120 is horrifying. Also horrifying is the fact that if you 2:15:15.160 --> 2:15:17.600 actually look up the common lawal citation, the next words 2:15:17.640 --> 2:15:19.960 after king special favor is in a time of war. 2:15:20.480 --> 2:15:24.440 Yeah, so yeah, that's the idea here, right, that we're 2:15:24.480 --> 2:15:27.520 a war with these foreign terrorist organizations and these are 2:15:27.920 --> 2:15:30.600 essentially like spies or yeah, and this is this is 2:15:30.640 --> 2:15:30.840 this thing. 2:15:30.920 --> 2:15:32.400 We're like, well, no, obviously we're not like that. We 2:15:32.400 --> 2:15:34.440 don't have there's no state of war, Like, no state 2:15:34.440 --> 2:15:35.720 of wars have ever been declared. But because of the 2:15:35.720 --> 2:15:38.440 way the War on Terror sort of functioned, they're they're 2:15:38.520 --> 2:15:40.240 they're trying to claim these things. And then again like 2:15:40.280 --> 2:15:42.120 the fact that they're saying that anyone they declare an 2:15:42.160 --> 2:15:47.000 alien has literally no protections at all in the country, 2:15:47.160 --> 2:15:48.800 no rights at all can be anything can be done 2:15:48.840 --> 2:15:51.960 to them. It's unless specifically the president decides that they 2:15:52.000 --> 2:15:58.160 have rights. Is unbelievably hideous. It is pure, pure state 2:15:58.200 --> 2:16:02.080 of exception, the total fac shit. It's fucking horrifying. 2:16:03.480 --> 2:16:06.600 Yeah, and it's entirely unconstitutional, right, Like, you don't have 2:16:06.640 --> 2:16:09.040 to be a radically left person to believe that humans 2:16:09.120 --> 2:16:12.600 have rights. Yeah, I want to really briefly, like one 2:16:12.640 --> 2:16:15.480 of the criteria that was used here so so ice criteria, 2:16:15.520 --> 2:16:17.400 so they have to have two identifying signs to be 2:16:17.480 --> 2:16:20.560 classified as a gang member. One of them that has 2:16:20.600 --> 2:16:23.400 been used very heavily. Here is tattoos. We know from 2:16:23.600 --> 2:16:27.960 court filings that one man, Barrios, he has a football tattoo, right, 2:16:28.000 --> 2:16:29.480 like a tattoo of a football with a crown on 2:16:29.520 --> 2:16:32.680 it is this diocelic god underneath it was supposed to 2:16:32.680 --> 2:16:34.640 be I guess similar like a play on the logo 2:16:34.680 --> 2:16:38.080 of Al Madrid. But they've used this to claim that 2:16:38.160 --> 2:16:41.040 it's evidence he's a member of a gang. Gangs like 2:16:41.360 --> 2:16:44.840 tender Agua don't have like gang signed tattoos, right, Yeah, 2:16:44.959 --> 2:16:47.360 but they're smarter than that, Like they've seen what's happened 2:16:47.400 --> 2:16:51.480 to gangs like MS thirteen because who do. Like Madras, 2:16:51.800 --> 2:16:53.960 Central American gangs have have had these things like as 2:16:54.000 --> 2:16:55.680 part of their tradition for a while, and they've been 2:16:55.760 --> 2:16:59.760 used heavily by law enforcement. I remember Christmas Eve twenty 2:16:59.760 --> 2:17:01.960 twenty three. I was in the desert with my friends 2:17:02.400 --> 2:17:04.400 and a large number of my joints across that day. 2:17:05.120 --> 2:17:07.320 I remember meeting a Venezuela man who was like covered 2:17:07.360 --> 2:17:10.400 in tattoos. They had to toe very heavy tattooed. That 2:17:10.520 --> 2:17:13.640 dude spent the entire day building a shelter for someone 2:17:13.680 --> 2:17:16.840 else's sick kid and then slept by himself in the 2:17:17.080 --> 2:17:20.600 freezing cold outside, and like, I know, I've been thinking 2:17:20.640 --> 2:17:23.720 about that guy a lot because under this ruling, right, 2:17:23.800 --> 2:17:25.920 like just his appearance of having tattoos would have him 2:17:26.480 --> 2:17:31.680 classified as a terrorist. And like when thousands of Americans 2:17:31.760 --> 2:17:34.160 living within an hour of that place did nothing, and 2:17:34.280 --> 2:17:36.480 that little girl who was sick had nowhere to sleep, 2:17:36.560 --> 2:17:38.320 like this guy took it upon himself to help, even 2:17:38.360 --> 2:17:43.080 when he himself was in a difficult place, And it 2:17:43.280 --> 2:17:45.600 just really makes me kind of sick. I think that 2:17:45.680 --> 2:17:46.640 this is where we're at now. 2:17:47.040 --> 2:17:51.640 Yeah, no, I mean it's it's it's a damning indictment 2:17:51.879 --> 2:17:56.080 of the character of people who are the voter base 2:17:56.160 --> 2:17:58.840 in this coatttery, And it's a damning indictment of like 2:17:59.240 --> 2:18:03.920 what particularly liberals in the left failed to stop because 2:18:03.959 --> 2:18:05.760 this was a this was a train that we could 2:18:05.800 --> 2:18:08.879 see coming for a while, like the propaganda campaign against 2:18:08.920 --> 2:18:13.240 these folks, yeah, and a necessary ingredient, and the Republicans 2:18:13.320 --> 2:18:18.760 getting their way on this was democratic politicians, and you know, 2:18:18.959 --> 2:18:22.520 to be entirely fair, quite a few prominent thought leaders 2:18:22.600 --> 2:18:26.800 on the left absolutely folding and not just not just 2:18:26.959 --> 2:18:30.720 failing to like counterpoint this stuff, but like diving in 2:18:30.879 --> 2:18:34.000 on it because they either had prejudice of their own 2:18:34.120 --> 2:18:36.200 or they saw it as like an opportunity. But like, 2:18:36.360 --> 2:18:41.760 you know, the whole nativist deal is just disgusting. Yeah, yeah, 2:18:41.840 --> 2:18:43.560 I don't know what else to say. I can't just 2:18:43.800 --> 2:18:44.680 keep yelling about it. 2:18:45.000 --> 2:18:47.000 Yeah, it's not all a slippery slope. And I'm not 2:18:47.080 --> 2:18:48.680 saying that they're both as bad as each other, because 2:18:48.720 --> 2:18:51.480 what's happening now is much worse than anything that happened previously. 2:18:51.640 --> 2:18:54.800 But like, yes, when we could detain people, including little 2:18:54.920 --> 2:18:57.720 children outside and we could leave them there in the snow, 2:18:57.959 --> 2:19:01.040 and like little babies could be shift ring, and I 2:19:01.080 --> 2:19:03.959 could be giving away my own coat almost every day 2:19:04.000 --> 2:19:05.680 I was out there because I was worried someone's baby 2:19:05.840 --> 2:19:09.040 was going to die of hypothermia, we kind of conceded 2:19:09.120 --> 2:19:12.039 that these people didn't have rights, right and the Democratic 2:19:12.080 --> 2:19:13.920 Party let that happen, and people on the left let 2:19:13.959 --> 2:19:17.920 that happen. And that is a stepping stone on the 2:19:18.000 --> 2:19:19.200 pathway to where we're at now. 2:19:19.840 --> 2:19:23.600 Yep, just as like with all the shit that's that's 2:19:24.640 --> 2:19:27.400 happening right now, like in terms of like the disappearing 2:19:27.480 --> 2:19:30.400 of political opponents and whatnot, Like you can draw a 2:19:30.520 --> 2:19:33.800 line from that from like the Patriot Act, you know, 2:19:33.920 --> 2:19:38.600 from Obama targeting a US citizen in I think Afghanistan. Like, 2:19:38.680 --> 2:19:41.800 there's all of these are like obviously things were not 2:19:41.920 --> 2:19:46.000 nearly as bad as they are right now in those administrations, 2:19:46.080 --> 2:19:48.720 but like they're not unrelated. You know, this kind of 2:19:49.000 --> 2:19:52.800 unitary executive theory is a through line through the last 2:19:52.840 --> 2:19:56.360 several administrations, and if anyone had pushed back prior to 2:19:56.480 --> 2:19:58.320 this point, Trump wouldn't be able to do a. 2:19:58.360 --> 2:20:00.240 Lot of what he's doing. Yep. 2:20:01.240 --> 2:20:04.600 What we are doing is pivoting to ads. Yeah, right now. 2:20:17.160 --> 2:20:22.480 We're back and we're talking Ukraine Ukraine. I'm sorry that 2:20:22.760 --> 2:20:26.200 I shouldn't Ukraine if you want to, Yeah, I don't 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:29.400 know why I did anyway. So, if you've been kind 2:20:29.440 --> 2:20:32.720 of paying attention over the last month or so, we've 2:20:32.760 --> 2:20:38.360 had a little odyssey in terms of US Russia Ukraine relations, 2:20:38.720 --> 2:20:41.720 and the gist of it is that everybody claims to 2:20:41.840 --> 2:20:43.119 want an end to the fighting. 2:20:43.400 --> 2:20:44.920 You know, at least off and on. 2:20:45.280 --> 2:20:47.200 Putin has kind of like made some motions to that 2:20:47.600 --> 2:20:50.000 has absolutely not acted as if this is something he 2:20:50.080 --> 2:20:54.680 particularly cares about. Trump clearly does want a ceasefire because 2:20:54.720 --> 2:20:56.200 he wants to be able to take credit for it. 2:20:56.840 --> 2:21:01.600 And Zelenski also clearly wants to cease fire. But there's 2:21:01.640 --> 2:21:04.920 been some kind of some pretty significant like hold ups. 2:21:05.240 --> 2:21:09.800 One of them has been around Ukrainian minerals. And you know, 2:21:10.120 --> 2:21:14.240 in February you had the administration talking a lot about 2:21:14.240 --> 2:21:16.680 how the US was going to gain control of Ukraine's 2:21:16.720 --> 2:21:19.600 minerals in order to pay us back for our support 2:21:19.840 --> 2:21:24.199 of their war effort. And Zelensky drew a very firm line, 2:21:24.320 --> 2:21:26.879 as he often does, like no, I'm not gonna You're 2:21:26.920 --> 2:21:29.480 not just going to get all of this, all of 2:21:29.560 --> 2:21:32.600 our country's minerals. And I should note here that like 2:21:32.920 --> 2:21:35.640 this is a fairly significant issue in global terms. It's 2:21:35.800 --> 2:21:39.119 estimated that Ukraine has about five percent of the planet's 2:21:39.160 --> 2:21:44.440 critical raw materials, including massive reserves of graphite. They're somewhere 2:21:44.440 --> 2:21:47.120 in like the top five countries in terms of proven 2:21:47.160 --> 2:21:50.879 graphite reserves, which among other things, is a critical ingredient 2:21:51.120 --> 2:21:54.800 for batteries in electric vehicles. They supply about seven percent 2:21:54.840 --> 2:21:58.280 of Europe's titanium. They're home to a third of European 2:21:58.360 --> 2:22:01.880 lithium deposits. This is not an exhaustive list that's just 2:22:02.000 --> 2:22:06.959 kind of you know, to start things off. And initially, 2:22:07.120 --> 2:22:09.800 when there was this kind of pushback from Zelenski saying like, no, 2:22:09.879 --> 2:22:11.879 you're not just going to get all that putin, came 2:22:11.920 --> 2:22:13.920 in and was like, well, hey, you know, we've occupied 2:22:13.920 --> 2:22:16.280 a bunch of Ukrainian land that has raw minerals on it. 2:22:16.440 --> 2:22:19.200 Will give those to you, right, And so this went 2:22:19.240 --> 2:22:23.920 back and forth, and eventually Zelensky and Trump's people put 2:22:24.000 --> 2:22:27.280 together like a deal that they were supposed to sign 2:22:27.480 --> 2:22:31.039 earlier this month that was like at actual like bilateral 2:22:31.360 --> 2:22:35.600 agreement on the use of Ukrainian minerals. And essentially what 2:22:35.680 --> 2:22:38.360 it would have done is the deal did call for 2:22:38.520 --> 2:22:41.320 Ukraine to use its mineral resources to repay the United 2:22:41.360 --> 2:22:43.840 States to the tune of about half a trillion dollars, 2:22:44.480 --> 2:22:47.960 but not in a manner like where they were just 2:22:48.080 --> 2:22:52.440 handing us their minerals. Essentially, Ukraine would contribute fifty percent 2:22:52.520 --> 2:22:56.720 of revenues earned from the future monetization of government owned 2:22:56.920 --> 2:23:01.200 mineral resources and other natural resources. But these were critically 2:23:01.640 --> 2:23:06.040 revenues earned from those resources like future modernization, right, so 2:23:06.360 --> 2:23:10.680 new mines, new oil and gas plants not included in 2:23:10.800 --> 2:23:15.000 this were like current reserves, like actively being exploited for profit. 2:23:15.720 --> 2:23:18.200 So kind of the key to this is that, like 2:23:18.440 --> 2:23:21.440 mining is not something that you can turn around on 2:23:21.520 --> 2:23:25.120 a dime. Generally, once you have actually proven you know 2:23:25.520 --> 2:23:28.240 that you have sort of the reserves in an area, 2:23:28.560 --> 2:23:32.480 it takes about twenty years to actually get like mines 2:23:32.720 --> 2:23:35.840 up and running, and you know, this is an extremely 2:23:35.920 --> 2:23:39.520 expensive process. So one of the reasons why Ukraine considered 2:23:39.560 --> 2:23:42.600 this a good deal for them is that we're essentially 2:23:42.720 --> 2:23:45.440 putting a lot of those revenues in the hands of 2:23:45.600 --> 2:23:48.760 the US. But it was revenues from minerals that Ukraine 2:23:48.879 --> 2:23:51.880 was not currently exploiting and that the US would help 2:23:51.959 --> 2:23:55.600 and provide funding to exploit. So it was not just 2:23:55.840 --> 2:23:59.160 paying back the US. It was something that would allow 2:23:59.320 --> 2:24:03.280 the rebuilding of the Ukrainian economy post war. There were 2:24:03.320 --> 2:24:05.640 some issues with this, including the fact that mining is 2:24:05.640 --> 2:24:09.320 an extremely energy intensive task in Ukraine is in the 2:24:09.360 --> 2:24:12.800 middle of an energy crisis at the minute, But among 2:24:12.879 --> 2:24:15.600 other things, it would have brought the US in and 2:24:15.920 --> 2:24:19.360 given them a financial stake and continued peace in the region, 2:24:19.360 --> 2:24:22.080 which was seen as positive. That all blew up at 2:24:22.080 --> 2:24:25.280 a White House meeting a couple of weeks ago, where 2:24:25.920 --> 2:24:29.320 if you remember JD Vance and Trump basically had a 2:24:29.400 --> 2:24:34.720 little like wwees SmackDown with Zelensky. It was a pretty 2:24:34.879 --> 2:24:38.200 ugly meeting, and after that kind of talk of the 2:24:38.360 --> 2:24:42.880 bilateral mineral deal faded significantly. Now what's interesting is that 2:24:43.879 --> 2:24:47.440 just today it's come out that Zelensky and Trump have 2:24:47.560 --> 2:24:51.760 had further conversations and there's a new deal apparently on 2:24:51.920 --> 2:24:54.400 the table, or at least the White House claimed that 2:24:54.480 --> 2:24:56.800 there was a new deal on the table. Both the 2:24:56.840 --> 2:24:59.480 White House and Zelensky's office said that it was a 2:24:59.560 --> 2:25:03.680 very post productive meeting. There's some evidence that Zelenski, after 2:25:03.800 --> 2:25:06.280 that big blow up, has been kind of doing the 2:25:06.440 --> 2:25:08.240 thing you've got to do with Trump, which is like 2:25:08.400 --> 2:25:11.400 massage him and say nice things to him so that 2:25:11.520 --> 2:25:14.280 he'll like you more, and that Trump has gotten kind 2:25:14.280 --> 2:25:17.320 of frustrated with the fact that Russia clearly has not 2:25:17.480 --> 2:25:21.240 been overly motivated to move towards the ceasefire. But then, 2:25:21.400 --> 2:25:23.400 in the middle of this meeting that everyone seems to 2:25:23.480 --> 2:25:25.959 agree went really well, the White House comes out and says, 2:25:26.280 --> 2:25:28.400 and we're working on an agreement where the US will 2:25:28.440 --> 2:25:32.680 control all of Ukraine's nuclear reactors, and Ukraine came out 2:25:32.720 --> 2:25:36.120 and said, no, we're not absolutely we did not say 2:25:36.200 --> 2:25:38.760 that that was a deal. So I don't know what's 2:25:38.800 --> 2:25:42.840 actually going to happen here. Ukraine is a massive, like 2:25:43.000 --> 2:25:46.640 nuclear energy state. In fact, the only European country that 2:25:46.959 --> 2:25:49.720 competes with them or that is like on the same 2:25:49.800 --> 2:25:52.840 level as they are in Europe in terms of nuclear 2:25:52.879 --> 2:25:57.200 industry is France. They've got four nuclear power plants with 2:25:57.320 --> 2:26:02.200 fifteen reactors in total. Now, obviously, like the Zapharizia plant 2:26:02.840 --> 2:26:05.720 is still under Russian control, which is a significant chunk. 2:26:05.800 --> 2:26:08.360 It's like six of the fifteen reactors in the country, 2:26:08.959 --> 2:26:11.720 and Ukraine is in the process of building more. They've 2:26:11.840 --> 2:26:15.080 actively added capacity since the end of the Soviet Union, 2:26:15.640 --> 2:26:18.160 and so one of the promises for sort of future 2:26:18.280 --> 2:26:21.720 Ukrainian economic stability is that they will be able to 2:26:21.800 --> 2:26:24.800 export nuclear energy to the rest of Europe, which is 2:26:24.879 --> 2:26:28.840 also going through an energy crisis. So it's unclear what's 2:26:28.879 --> 2:26:33.400 going to happen. There's definitely evidence again that Zelensky has 2:26:33.520 --> 2:26:37.000 kind of figured out how to massage Trump a little bit. 2:26:37.040 --> 2:26:39.360 There's a quote from an article in The Conversation that 2:26:39.680 --> 2:26:43.120 I found very interesting here While Trump still leans towards 2:26:43.160 --> 2:26:45.800 putin his relationship with Zelensky seems to have improved. The 2:26:45.879 --> 2:26:48.160 Ukrainian president appears to have learned that Trump doesn't have 2:26:48.200 --> 2:26:50.200 a long memory and that flattery goes a long way 2:26:50.240 --> 2:26:52.600 with the US president. Trump meanwhile, is no longer calling 2:26:52.680 --> 2:26:55.120 Zelenski a dictator, and yet there is no mention of 2:26:55.200 --> 2:26:58.840 halting US military aid or intelligence to Ukraine. There's the opposite, 2:26:58.920 --> 2:27:00.600 in fact, is the US has said it will assist 2:27:00.640 --> 2:27:03.920 in finding more patriot missile defense systems after Zelenski mentioned 2:27:03.920 --> 2:27:06.560 they were sorely needed. By giving Trump credit for the 2:27:06.640 --> 2:27:09.440 ceasefire initiative, Zelensky is putting the ball in Russia's court, 2:27:09.520 --> 2:27:12.520 and his apparent receptiveness to Trump's idea about the US 2:27:12.600 --> 2:27:15.560 taking over Ukraine's nuclear power plants will appeal to Trump's 2:27:15.560 --> 2:27:19.720 transactional instincts in addition to offering Trump business deals. And 2:27:20.040 --> 2:27:22.720 I don't fully know what the conversation is saying here 2:27:22.760 --> 2:27:25.560 because Ukraine or Zelenski's office has stated like we're not 2:27:26.120 --> 2:27:28.680 considering handing the US control. I think this may be 2:27:28.840 --> 2:27:32.240 something like what happened with the energy deal, where essentially 2:27:32.360 --> 2:27:36.080 what they talked about was the US having a financial 2:27:36.160 --> 2:27:39.800 interest in the rebuilding an expansion of the Ukrainian nuclear 2:27:39.840 --> 2:27:44.240 power grid, which would be an extension of existing programs 2:27:44.360 --> 2:27:47.880 because Ukraine's nuclear power grid is already very reliant on 2:27:47.959 --> 2:27:51.880 a US nuclear energy company, Westinghouse, that provides both the 2:27:52.040 --> 2:27:55.880 raw fuel for nuclear reactors to Ukraine and also provides 2:27:56.480 --> 2:28:00.000 a lot of actual technology for different kind of system 2:28:00.360 --> 2:28:03.800 in the reactors. So I kind of think that what's 2:28:03.879 --> 2:28:06.960 happening here is that basically it was floated like, well, 2:28:07.000 --> 2:28:09.920 we can extend and expand this deal, so the US 2:28:09.920 --> 2:28:13.320 will have a financial interest in this potentially very large 2:28:13.520 --> 2:28:17.080 Ukrainian industry, and then Trump and his people kind of 2:28:17.320 --> 2:28:19.600 took that and said to everyone else, Yeah, the US 2:28:19.720 --> 2:28:22.400 is going to be in charge of Ukraine's nuclear power. 2:28:23.200 --> 2:28:25.560 That's my best guess for what happened here. 2:28:26.080 --> 2:28:28.040 It really seems like we're relearning one of the last 2:28:28.240 --> 2:28:30.040 lessons from the administration, which is, if you can be 2:28:30.120 --> 2:28:32.119 the last person in the room with Trump. 2:28:32.440 --> 2:28:34.320 You can put what he does. 2:28:34.440 --> 2:28:34.920 Hey, yeah, I. 2:28:37.400 --> 2:28:39.800 Mia, do you want to do a tariff talk? Wait? 2:28:39.840 --> 2:28:44.039 Wait, did you say tariffs, Garrison or did you say. 2:28:48.800 --> 2:28:51.400 Jazz rock jazz bot? 2:28:51.600 --> 2:28:58.760 Sorry, locking jazz lock jaz. 2:29:00.040 --> 2:29:03.080 Ah, God feels good every time. Okay, miya, sorry, you 2:29:03.160 --> 2:29:04.600 can talk about the actual news now. 2:29:04.920 --> 2:29:05.400 Let's do this. 2:29:05.520 --> 2:29:08.120 So the news we have today is that effectively every 2:29:08.160 --> 2:29:10.600 single thing I have talked about on tariff talk before 2:29:10.680 --> 2:29:13.600 this is just the fucking prelude, you know. And though 2:29:13.680 --> 2:29:16.040 those have been very very extreme tariffs, but these are 2:29:16.560 --> 2:29:20.520 effectively going to be looked back on as the opening 2:29:20.640 --> 2:29:24.760 series of skirmishes and sort of probing defenses. On April seconds, 2:29:24.879 --> 2:29:27.840 Trump is going to crash the entire world economy. He 2:29:28.000 --> 2:29:31.800 is calling this Liberation Day. On April second, he is 2:29:31.879 --> 2:29:36.200 planning to impose reciprocal tariffs on every single country on Earth. 2:29:37.040 --> 2:29:40.440 Finally, you know what, I'm completely on board. As long 2:29:40.520 --> 2:29:44.920 as we're finally sticking it to those snotty fucks in Oman, 2:29:45.360 --> 2:29:49.320 you know, then everything's good. It's about goddamn time. 2:29:50.040 --> 2:29:52.160 Now I'm gonna take a fucking victory lap here because 2:29:52.200 --> 2:29:53.760 I have been talking about this for a very very 2:29:53.840 --> 2:29:54.200 long time. 2:29:54.240 --> 2:29:55.800 I talked about this last year. I talked about this 2:29:55.800 --> 2:29:57.240 the beginning of last year, talked about this the end 2:29:57.240 --> 2:29:57.640 of last year. 2:29:57.680 --> 2:29:59.480 The entire media seems to have short of forgotten about 2:29:59.520 --> 2:30:01.440 this until they all suddenly remembered this week that Trump 2:30:01.480 --> 2:30:04.760 had promised to do reciprocal tariffs. So what reciprocal tariffs 2:30:04.760 --> 2:30:06.959 are in theory is if there's a tariff on something 2:30:07.120 --> 2:30:09.240 and I from another country, the US matches it. So 2:30:09.520 --> 2:30:12.600 the way the Trump administration thinks about tariffs is deeply weird. 2:30:12.760 --> 2:30:15.920 So they're including things like value added taxes on goods 2:30:16.240 --> 2:30:17.279 in countries. 2:30:17.120 --> 2:30:20.080 Wow, which is like a sales yeah, packs in the US. 2:30:20.280 --> 2:30:24.280 Yeah yeah, But also like subsidies and also and this 2:30:24.400 --> 2:30:26.240 is the part that has gotten less things, but quote 2:30:26.320 --> 2:30:30.200 unquote currency manipulation. Now, how the fuck do you do 2:30:30.280 --> 2:30:32.960 you calculate that for literally every single country on Earth? 2:30:33.520 --> 2:30:36.960 Who knows business insider has some reporting on this where 2:30:37.000 --> 2:30:39.640 where they talk to some insiders and okay, so literally 2:30:39.680 --> 2:30:42.960 there are not enough people working on tariffs to like 2:30:43.160 --> 2:30:45.840 calculate out individual tariff races for every single country on Earth. 2:30:46.920 --> 2:30:48.720 It looks like the plan right now, when this is 2:30:48.760 --> 2:30:51.119 also just to change, because again, this is the Trump administration, 2:30:51.280 --> 2:30:53.000 and who the fuck knows what they're gonna be saying 2:30:53.120 --> 2:30:55.760 or doing in two weeks. But what we know right 2:30:55.879 --> 2:30:58.680 now is it looks like they're going to separate every 2:30:58.720 --> 2:31:01.280 country on Earth into three tiers of tariffs. So it's 2:31:01.280 --> 2:31:02.640 going to be like a low tier, a mid tier, 2:31:02.680 --> 2:31:05.720 and a high tier. And it's it's unclear exactly what 2:31:05.879 --> 2:31:07.600 levels they're going to be. These are going to be 2:31:08.080 --> 2:31:10.440 on top of all of the additional tariffs that they've 2:31:10.440 --> 2:31:13.320 already imposed. So say, for example, trying to gets put 2:31:13.320 --> 2:31:15.000 into high tier one, they put like a fifty percent 2:31:15.040 --> 2:31:16.360 tariff on it. That means a terrifra. It's going to 2:31:16.400 --> 2:31:18.600 be seventy percent because there's already twenty percent tariffs on 2:31:18.640 --> 2:31:23.000 their business. Insider seem to think twenty percent is like 2:31:23.120 --> 2:31:26.600 the low one. I don't know about that. I think 2:31:26.640 --> 2:31:27.640 they're going to be pretty high. 2:31:28.680 --> 2:31:29.440 We have no idea. 2:31:29.520 --> 2:31:31.880 And again, so what's happening here is Trump is declaring 2:31:31.920 --> 2:31:34.400 this Liberation Day because he has convinced himself. I think 2:31:34.400 --> 2:31:36.840 I finally understand what's going on in his brain, which 2:31:36.840 --> 2:31:38.520 is that he has convinced himself that like, if you 2:31:38.600 --> 2:31:40.760 have a trade deficit with a country, that means the 2:31:40.800 --> 2:31:41.560 country's robbing you. 2:31:42.240 --> 2:31:43.440 Right, yes, yes, again. 2:31:43.840 --> 2:31:48.600 Trump's firm, lifelong belief is that if you are selling something, 2:31:49.160 --> 2:31:52.360 you've won, and if you're buying something, you have lost. 2:31:52.520 --> 2:31:56.640 Yeah, Now, this is not how international trade works at 2:31:56.680 --> 2:31:59.359 all for the US. Like the entire US empire absolutely 2:32:00.040 --> 2:32:02.440 fuier is based on outsourcing a bunch of political violence 2:32:02.440 --> 2:32:06.280 to other countries so you can buy goods at cheap rates, right, 2:32:06.360 --> 2:32:08.120 Like that's that's that's, that's what the empire is. 2:32:08.200 --> 2:32:11.520 Yeah, we love buying things. It's the entire basis of 2:32:11.560 --> 2:32:12.359 our civilization. 2:32:12.480 --> 2:32:12.640 Yeah. 2:32:13.320 --> 2:32:16.760 Yeah, The reason Jeffrey Bezos was that the inaugration is 2:32:16.760 --> 2:32:17.920 because we like to be buying. 2:32:18.080 --> 2:32:20.920 Yes, yeah, and so is something I mentioned, you know, 2:32:21.080 --> 2:32:22.680 back back when I was talking about this in the 2:32:22.720 --> 2:32:25.760 tariff episode right after the election, is that the thing 2:32:25.800 --> 2:32:28.120 about reciprocal tariffs, right, is that it means that if 2:32:28.160 --> 2:32:30.360 if anyone attempts to to fight a trade war with 2:32:30.440 --> 2:32:33.320 the US, so another country imposes twenty percent tariffs, the 2:32:33.400 --> 2:32:35.240 US will also impost twenty percent terriffs. And this just 2:32:35.280 --> 2:32:37.800 spials out of control into a version of a trade 2:32:37.840 --> 2:32:39.800 war so unhinged, like none of us have ever seen 2:32:39.840 --> 2:32:40.879 anything like it in our lifetimes. 2:32:40.959 --> 2:32:43.800 Oh yeah, brother, yeah, that's coming. 2:32:43.920 --> 2:32:46.000 We have We now have April second as the day 2:32:46.040 --> 2:32:49.120 everything explodes. I also want to want up put Like 2:32:49.120 --> 2:32:51.520 another note here, the hope has always been from a 2:32:51.600 --> 2:32:54.279 lot of countries and a lot of the financial markets 2:32:54.400 --> 2:32:57.520 and a bunch of companies that these terrorifts are going 2:32:57.560 --> 2:32:59.880 to have more exemptions, because there were some exemptions on 2:33:00.000 --> 2:33:01.920 stuff in the initial tariffs on Mexico and Canada. 2:33:02.080 --> 2:33:03.760 Well, and he kept going back and forth. 2:33:03.920 --> 2:33:07.080 Right, yeah, but now we're getting into terroifts with which 2:33:07.080 --> 2:33:09.520 you have no exceptions. The steel and aluminum tariffs have 2:33:09.640 --> 2:33:10.680 had no exemptions at all. 2:33:11.240 --> 2:33:12.080 What we've been hearing. 2:33:12.200 --> 2:33:13.680 So one of the things I've been noting is that 2:33:14.680 --> 2:33:18.199 Canada and EU have been basically mobilizing in the trade 2:33:18.240 --> 2:33:21.000 war and imposing reciprocal terroists in the US. China has two, 2:33:21.640 --> 2:33:25.280 Mexico has not. Apparently Mexico still thinks that they can 2:33:25.320 --> 2:33:27.320 negotiate to be in like the lowest tier of tariffs, 2:33:27.360 --> 2:33:29.920 which won't completely destroy their economy. Fuck if I know 2:33:30.040 --> 2:33:33.879 why they think that, but who knows. Yeah, but that's 2:33:34.120 --> 2:33:36.280 the fact. That's effectively the tariff news we have right now. 2:33:36.600 --> 2:33:40.800 We have again April second, quote unquote Liberation Day, the 2:33:40.920 --> 2:33:42.879 day that this all goes into a fact. I bet 2:33:42.920 --> 2:33:44.920 they wanted to do April first and realize that they couldn't. 2:33:45.160 --> 2:33:48.360 No, Yeah, I didn't think that. No Trump. 2:33:48.480 --> 2:33:52.400 Trump announced this during his Joint Congressional address, and he 2:33:52.760 --> 2:33:56.200 openly said that he originally wanted to do it on 2:33:56.280 --> 2:33:59.600 April first, at the start of the month, but decided 2:33:59.680 --> 2:34:04.200 not to because he is too superstitious as a person. So, yes, 2:34:04.320 --> 2:34:06.280 originally they were going to be on April first, and 2:34:06.360 --> 2:34:08.720 then they pushed him back to April second because they 2:34:08.720 --> 2:34:10.240 didn't want it to be on April Foul's day. 2:34:10.360 --> 2:34:11.400 That's good. That's a good. 2:34:12.959 --> 2:34:16.760 So that's a great, great extra insight into the mind 2:34:17.000 --> 2:34:19.640 of the US God King. 2:34:19.840 --> 2:34:20.080 Cool. 2:34:20.400 --> 2:34:23.440 Anyway, let's go on ad break and then come back 2:34:23.480 --> 2:34:25.800 to discuss all of the other bad things that are 2:34:25.879 --> 2:34:27.000 happening in the country. 2:34:38.959 --> 2:34:39.680 Okay, we're back. 2:34:40.320 --> 2:34:42.040 The first thing I want to kind of open to 2:34:42.120 --> 2:34:45.840 a group discussion on is that On Tuesday, March eighteenth, 2:34:45.920 --> 2:34:49.039 the federal judge issued a preliminary injunction blocking Trump's ban 2:34:49.440 --> 2:34:52.120 on trans people serving in the military, ruling that the 2:34:52.240 --> 2:34:56.760 blanket ban likely violates constitutional rights of Steven Miller responded 2:34:56.760 --> 2:34:59.920 to the ruling by writing, District court judges have now 2:35:00.160 --> 2:35:02.959 decided that they are in command of the armed forces? 2:35:03.480 --> 2:35:05.359 Is there no end to this madness? 2:35:05.840 --> 2:35:06.120 God? 2:35:06.879 --> 2:35:07.119 Fuck. 2:35:07.400 --> 2:35:07.440 So. 2:35:07.680 --> 2:35:10.080 I know this is a topic that like we've discussed 2:35:10.120 --> 2:35:13.199 a lot, as you know, we're not all big US 2:35:13.320 --> 2:35:15.680 military defenders, no. 2:35:16.720 --> 2:35:19.680 But it's mostly done bad stuff in my lifetime. 2:35:20.560 --> 2:35:23.840 But we still take like, almost like an ontological issue 2:35:24.560 --> 2:35:28.520 with this band because it essentially creates just a secondary 2:35:28.640 --> 2:35:32.160 class of citizen with fundamentally different rights from the rest 2:35:32.200 --> 2:35:34.959 of everyone else, and that is never a good thing. 2:35:35.520 --> 2:35:38.400 It's like, so right now, one of the semi positive 2:35:38.440 --> 2:35:41.040 news stories is that Trump's ATF is going to be 2:35:41.120 --> 2:35:44.480 for the first time restoring people's Second Amendment rights who 2:35:44.520 --> 2:35:47.880 had them taken away because they were involuntarily institutionalized. And 2:35:48.320 --> 2:35:50.320 I've seen a lot of liberals being like, oh, they're 2:35:50.320 --> 2:35:52.720 just gonna let more crazy people have guns. This is bad, 2:35:52.879 --> 2:35:56.160 And like, I have to disagree whether or not you 2:35:56.400 --> 2:35:59.840 like it. The Second Amendment is a fundamental right under 2:35:59.840 --> 2:36:03.440 the Constitution, and it's bad to say that this class 2:36:03.480 --> 2:36:08.600 of people forever lose a fundamental right because they're involuntarily institutionalized. 2:36:08.959 --> 2:36:09.680 That's bad. 2:36:10.160 --> 2:36:14.400 And likewise, even if you hate the US military's role 2:36:14.680 --> 2:36:19.960 in US imperialism, which fine enough, the right to serve 2:36:20.160 --> 2:36:23.840 in an integrated military has been a major underpinning of 2:36:24.160 --> 2:36:28.480 most of the civil rights movements, like a foundational depending 2:36:28.520 --> 2:36:32.320 of most civil rights movements in this country's history, going 2:36:32.360 --> 2:36:34.720 back to the Civil War, you know, black civil rights, 2:36:35.280 --> 2:36:39.000 including LGBTQ rights and including women's rights. Right, It's like 2:36:39.400 --> 2:36:42.440 it is significant. And so the fact that the GOP 2:36:43.080 --> 2:36:47.920 is attempting to peel this back and essentially reverse integration 2:36:48.000 --> 2:36:51.440 of the military is bad for two reasons. One, it represents, 2:36:51.480 --> 2:36:55.520 as you've said, creating separate classes of people and peeling 2:36:55.720 --> 2:36:59.400 fundamental what are considered under the law in this country, 2:36:59.480 --> 2:37:02.760 fundamental rights away from groups of people. And it's also 2:37:02.959 --> 2:37:06.640 just dangerous for them to remake the military into an 2:37:06.760 --> 2:37:11.160 all white organization, right, like all white male organization. There's 2:37:11.200 --> 2:37:12.359 a reason why that's also. 2:37:12.400 --> 2:37:13.200 Dangerous to you. 2:37:13.600 --> 2:37:15.600 So, yeah, I think people should care about this, even 2:37:15.640 --> 2:37:17.320 if they're you know, leftists. 2:37:18.360 --> 2:37:21.760 Yeah, And like, especially in this country, the military represents 2:37:21.840 --> 2:37:25.400 one of the few social mobility tools that exist. 2:37:25.560 --> 2:37:25.680 Right. 2:37:25.800 --> 2:37:28.480 People don't just join the military because they country, to 2:37:28.560 --> 2:37:30.160 what you might have seen on Twitter dot com, they 2:37:30.240 --> 2:37:32.279 want to go to Middle East and kill people. Sometimes 2:37:32.320 --> 2:37:33.520 they do it because they want to get a chance 2:37:33.560 --> 2:37:35.720 to go to education. Sometimes they want to do it 2:37:35.800 --> 2:37:37.160 so they get a chance to have healthcare. 2:37:37.400 --> 2:37:37.600 Yep. 2:37:37.760 --> 2:37:40.840 And like trans people serve at a higher rate, then 2:37:40.840 --> 2:37:43.720 it says people may not be the case for very 2:37:43.760 --> 2:37:45.760 much longer. By it like that has been the case. 2:37:45.840 --> 2:37:48.040 And they have rights to use however they want. They 2:37:48.040 --> 2:37:50.200 don't just have rights to use how you or I 2:37:50.360 --> 2:37:52.080 or anyone else would like them to use well, And. 2:37:52.080 --> 2:37:54.800 That's also a broad truth. For the US military, members 2:37:54.840 --> 2:37:58.440 of marginalized groups have always served at a higher rate 2:37:58.879 --> 2:38:02.560 than basically anyone else. This includes like Native Americans serve 2:38:02.680 --> 2:38:05.880 at a higher proportion of like their population within the 2:38:05.959 --> 2:38:11.119 country than most other groups, in part because traditionally, serving 2:38:11.160 --> 2:38:13.720 in the military was a way in which to gain 2:38:14.800 --> 2:38:18.439 acceptance and entrance into American society. 2:38:18.720 --> 2:38:20.959 It's also just like another world, like you can field 2:38:21.240 --> 2:38:24.520 in some ways, like insulated from like yes, the hoarders 2:38:24.560 --> 2:38:28.640 you might experience in like regular suburban life oddly enough, Yeah, 2:38:28.840 --> 2:38:29.400 to weigh. 2:38:29.200 --> 2:38:32.320 Out of the isolation that so many people experience in 2:38:32.360 --> 2:38:32.640 the world. 2:38:32.879 --> 2:38:35.200 And like, is it extremely bad that the way that 2:38:35.360 --> 2:38:37.560 you enter your into American society is by being a 2:38:37.640 --> 2:38:39.440 part of the imperial war machine? 2:38:39.560 --> 2:38:44.000 Yes? Yes, but also the war machine is going to 2:38:44.080 --> 2:38:46.640 be there whether you are in it or not. Yeah. 2:38:46.680 --> 2:38:49.600 And the actual fundamental important thing here is again what 2:38:49.640 --> 2:38:52.880 we've been saying is that like the fundamental basis of 2:38:53.520 --> 2:38:57.280 liberal democracy, going back to the American Revolution, going back 2:38:57.320 --> 2:38:59.199 to the French Revolution, going back to like the original 2:38:59.280 --> 2:39:01.960 liberal revolutions, the fundamental principle of is that everyone is 2:39:02.000 --> 2:39:04.720 equal before the law, and the moment that ceases to 2:39:04.760 --> 2:39:06.320 be true, and it has not been true in this 2:39:06.440 --> 2:39:09.280 country ever, but you know, we're seeing increasing numbers of 2:39:09.280 --> 2:39:11.040 people who are not considered equal before the law. We 2:39:11.160 --> 2:39:14.160 just spent this entire fucking like first part of this 2:39:14.240 --> 2:39:16.400 episode talking about what happens when people are considered to 2:39:16.440 --> 2:39:18.200 have no protections under the law, which at the state 2:39:18.280 --> 2:39:20.040 can just fucking black bag you and send you to 2:39:20.080 --> 2:39:24.600 a goolag. Yeah, Like that is bad. That's what's that 2:39:24.760 --> 2:39:28.200 fundamentally at stake here, not like whether you think the 2:39:28.320 --> 2:39:28.879 army is good. 2:39:29.360 --> 2:39:32.760 Yeah, And imagine for those people, like when they people 2:39:32.800 --> 2:39:34.920 could have served nineteen years, right, they could have been 2:39:35.040 --> 2:39:36.560 just about to get their twenty years and get their 2:39:36.600 --> 2:39:39.600 retirement and will now not get that, Like they they 2:39:39.800 --> 2:39:42.200 signed up expecting a thing, right, Like there was a 2:39:42.280 --> 2:39:44.280 quid pro quote there that they would give twenty years 2:39:44.320 --> 2:39:45.960 of their life and possibly a lot of their health 2:39:46.240 --> 2:39:48.440 to the United States government in in return, they will 2:39:48.480 --> 2:39:51.400 get health care and a pentrum for the rest of 2:39:51.400 --> 2:39:53.240 their lives. And people are now going to lose that. 2:39:53.959 --> 2:39:54.160 Yeah. 2:39:54.520 --> 2:39:58.280 In some related news, the VA just announced that quote 2:39:58.280 --> 2:40:01.520 effective immediately, the VA will not to offer cross sex 2:40:01.640 --> 2:40:04.560 hormone therapy to veterans who have a current diagnosis or 2:40:04.720 --> 2:40:09.119 history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria unless 2:40:09.280 --> 2:40:12.039 such veterans are already receiving such care from the VA, 2:40:12.400 --> 2:40:15.160 or such veterans we're receiving such care from the military 2:40:15.280 --> 2:40:17.320 as a part of and upon their separation from from 2:40:17.320 --> 2:40:22.400 the military service, and are eligible for VA healthcare. So 2:40:22.720 --> 2:40:26.120 basically they will not be emitting like new patients to 2:40:26.240 --> 2:40:28.240 receive gender affirming health care. 2:40:28.360 --> 2:40:31.959 Well, unless they're sist gender it seems like oh yes, correct, yes, 2:40:32.040 --> 2:40:34.760 if it's just basically assists men can still receive gender 2:40:34.760 --> 2:40:35.640 affirming hormones. 2:40:35.920 --> 2:40:38.320 Sure, be Like I kind of get annoyed when people 2:40:38.400 --> 2:40:40.600 do that, like comparison and is like that's never like 2:40:41.200 --> 2:40:42.760 we're falling into like this art for trap of like 2:40:43.080 --> 2:40:45.320 we're actually using words to mean what they mean, and 2:40:45.440 --> 2:40:47.560 like they're not using words like that, you know, like 2:40:47.920 --> 2:40:52.240 whenever people like laugh about haha, they banned pronouns at school. 2:40:52.640 --> 2:40:55.680 Now now you can't say the word I and you're 2:40:55.720 --> 2:40:58.320 like no, like come out like what like that's not 2:40:58.440 --> 2:41:00.280 what they mean, Like you have to understand like the 2:41:00.320 --> 2:41:01.600 dog whistles that they're using. 2:41:01.800 --> 2:41:05.720 Yeah. I found it interesting though that they seemingly like 2:41:05.840 --> 2:41:08.160 you tried to even get around like that like linguistic 2:41:08.280 --> 2:41:09.840 thing in the statement sure. 2:41:09.640 --> 2:41:11.560 I mean like it depends what you mean by gender dysphoria, right, 2:41:11.640 --> 2:41:13.920 Like you could theoretically you could have gender ysphoria because 2:41:14.240 --> 2:41:16.840 your assists male and you want to become more masculine, right, 2:41:16.959 --> 2:41:21.119 Like all of these diagnoses have like a very fuzzy 2:41:21.240 --> 2:41:25.360 ontological underpinning. Right, these are just categories that we're projecting. Yes, 2:41:26.120 --> 2:41:29.640 but this is you know, probably not great. It's probably 2:41:29.680 --> 2:41:31.680 isn't a good thing. Like, for instance, if you already 2:41:31.680 --> 2:41:34.200 have VIA healthcare, you're not in the military anymore, and 2:41:34.320 --> 2:41:36.720 now you decide that you would like to receive gender 2:41:36.720 --> 2:41:39.560 affirming healthcare, now you can't at least through the VA. 2:41:39.800 --> 2:41:40.000 Yep. 2:41:40.120 --> 2:41:43.560 So as a as a related thing, let's see I. 2:41:43.600 --> 2:41:47.600 Think we should kind of close with or like bookend 2:41:47.680 --> 2:41:50.520 our discussion on like like the immigration stuff and the 2:41:51.080 --> 2:41:54.920 black baggings and deportations which have been happening. A German 2:41:54.959 --> 2:41:58.519 immigrant named Fabian Schmidt who's lived in the States. 2:41:58.240 --> 2:42:00.320 With the green courge German named Beautifl. 2:42:00.280 --> 2:42:02.240 Since two thousand and eight, so like he's lived here 2:42:02.280 --> 2:42:05.080 quite a while. He immigrated with his mom. He was 2:42:05.160 --> 2:42:08.240 detained and tortured at the Boston Logan Airport upon returning 2:42:08.280 --> 2:42:10.800 from a visit to Europe. The man's mother says that 2:42:10.879 --> 2:42:13.800 he was quote unquote violently interrogated at the Logan airport 2:42:13.879 --> 2:42:16.959 for hours and was stripped naked, put in a cold 2:42:17.000 --> 2:42:20.680 shower by two officials, and pushed back into an interrogation chair. 2:42:21.040 --> 2:42:21.440 I'm going to. 2:42:21.560 --> 2:42:24.240 Quote from w GBH quote. 2:42:24.560 --> 2:42:24.959 She said. 2:42:25.080 --> 2:42:27.800 Schmid told her immigration agents pressured him to give up 2:42:27.840 --> 2:42:29.920 his green card. She said he was placed on a 2:42:30.000 --> 2:42:31.840 mat in a bright room with other people at the 2:42:31.879 --> 2:42:35.160 airport with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and 2:42:35.280 --> 2:42:38.080 was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression. 2:42:38.560 --> 2:42:41.240 He hardly got anything to drink, and then he wasn't 2:42:41.280 --> 2:42:44.440 feeling very well and he collapsed said a senior, which 2:42:44.560 --> 2:42:48.520 is his mom. He was transported by ambulance to mass 2:42:48.640 --> 2:42:50.760 General Hospital. He didn't know it at the time, but 2:42:50.840 --> 2:42:53.959 he also had the flu unquote. Now Schmid has since 2:42:54.000 --> 2:42:57.400 been transferred to multiple ice facilities. He had a misdemeanor 2:42:57.600 --> 2:43:01.520 charge for marijuana possession in California back in twenty fifteen, 2:43:02.080 --> 2:43:04.520 but that charge was dismissed the following year due to 2:43:04.680 --> 2:43:07.640 changes in state law. But I think that this incident 2:43:07.760 --> 2:43:11.200 may have flagged Schmidt on the customs and border protections 2:43:11.360 --> 2:43:15.960 like database and Hillary Beckham, CBP's Assistant Commissioner for Public Affairs, 2:43:16.160 --> 2:43:19.440 give a short statement reading quote, when an individual is 2:43:19.480 --> 2:43:22.080 found with drug related charges and tries to re enter 2:43:22.160 --> 2:43:27.480 the country, officers will take proper action unquote. But essentially 2:43:27.560 --> 2:43:30.680 they like tortured, black bagged this person who's had a 2:43:30.720 --> 2:43:35.000 green card for like almost two decades for a dismissed 2:43:35.120 --> 2:43:38.160 marijuana charge like ten years ago. This is like, you know, 2:43:38.280 --> 2:43:42.080 like a very white man like Fabian Schmidt, like this 2:43:42.480 --> 2:43:45.400 is this is super freaky stuff. 2:43:46.040 --> 2:43:47.880 Yeah, we should say that a lot of that stuff 2:43:48.000 --> 2:43:51.520 is not particularly unusual and nice attention lights being totally 2:43:51.600 --> 2:43:54.840 time not being given bettying, but like being shoved into 2:43:54.840 --> 2:43:55.320 a cold. 2:43:55.200 --> 2:43:58.040 Chowerities that was at the airport, they say, like like 2:43:58.160 --> 2:44:00.480 being being interrogated at the airport. 2:44:01.040 --> 2:44:03.320 This is a new one, and like being forced to. 2:44:03.400 --> 2:44:07.240 Like forcibly, like give up your green card during this 2:44:07.440 --> 2:44:11.720 like interrogation session at that very same airport. Like I 2:44:11.800 --> 2:44:14.240 think just maybe like a day or so later. A 2:44:14.360 --> 2:44:19.280 Lebanese doctor and professor at Brown University, Russia, Alweya, was 2:44:19.400 --> 2:44:22.680 deported this weekend after traveling to Beirut to visit family 2:44:22.720 --> 2:44:27.240 and attend the public funeral of Hassan Nashraala. Upon a 2:44:27.360 --> 2:44:29.040 return to the United States, she was detained at the 2:44:29.080 --> 2:44:32.000 Boston Airport, had her H one B visa revoked, and 2:44:32.200 --> 2:44:35.680 was deported on a plane to France on Friday, March fourteenth, 2:44:36.040 --> 2:44:39.440 before she could attend her in person hearing that following Monday. 2:44:39.840 --> 2:44:44.240 According to court documents, her deportation was prompted by deleted 2:44:44.360 --> 2:44:47.920 pictures on her phone of like Shia Muslim figures like 2:44:48.800 --> 2:44:54.360 Neshraala and the Ayatola, another very very frightening incident. In 2:44:54.440 --> 2:44:58.320 those documents, it's unclear how Customs and Border Protection was 2:44:58.440 --> 2:45:01.000 viewing deleted photos on her phone or like like like 2:45:01.120 --> 2:45:02.760 like open of her phone, right, because like, if you 2:45:02.840 --> 2:45:04.760 recently deleted a photo, it is still contained in your 2:45:04.800 --> 2:45:08.320 recently deleted folder, assuming you have like an iPhone or equivalent. 2:45:08.720 --> 2:45:11.320 But it's unknown how they like got into her phone, 2:45:11.600 --> 2:45:13.879 if she like let them look through it, or if 2:45:13.879 --> 2:45:16.520 they used one of like a many. 2:45:16.840 --> 2:45:18.520 Like phone breakaway see or whatever. 2:45:19.480 --> 2:45:21.760 Yeah, but I think it is interesting that this is 2:45:21.879 --> 2:45:26.160 at the same airport to you know, slightly related incidents. 2:45:26.280 --> 2:45:29.640 But yeah, we've seen that a lot with like in 2:45:29.720 --> 2:45:32.520 the similar cases people crossing the land border's Sandy Sidro 2:45:32.640 --> 2:45:36.720 both I think a Canadian and German citizen were both detained, 2:45:37.080 --> 2:45:39.279 which is said San Diego County. If it's not familiar, 2:45:40.040 --> 2:45:43.199 it seems like there's some kind of policy at certain 2:45:43.240 --> 2:45:45.959 border crossings or maybe like the person in chides, Yeah, 2:45:45.959 --> 2:45:48.280 I was saying, do this, you know, detain people at 2:45:48.280 --> 2:45:50.360 there's anything on their record at all. 2:45:50.760 --> 2:45:52.640 Well so so, and there's another case of this that's 2:45:52.640 --> 2:45:54.840 similar where a French researcher who to best of my 2:45:54.920 --> 2:45:58.520 knowledge is unnamed so far, I was randomly pulled aside 2:45:58.560 --> 2:46:01.279 for a stop at George Bush International Airport in Houston, 2:46:01.600 --> 2:46:04.360 which is sort of fitting for all of this George 2:46:04.360 --> 2:46:06.880 Bush has got to be fucking creaming his pants thinking 2:46:06.920 --> 2:46:07.360 about all this. 2:46:07.400 --> 2:46:08.200 Black bag and shit. 2:46:08.879 --> 2:46:11.600 But yeah, I was randomly pulled over and they found 2:46:11.720 --> 2:46:14.760 anti Trump texts on his phone and immediately deported him. 2:46:14.800 --> 2:46:18.040 This is a guy who was visiting the US, like 2:46:18.080 --> 2:46:21.000 I think, to go to a conference, and the border 2:46:21.040 --> 2:46:24.160 patrol is arguing that anti Trump texts are considered terrorism, 2:46:24.320 --> 2:46:26.240 which is great, or the text that they found are 2:46:26.600 --> 2:46:28.320 like could be like the anti Trump ness of it 2:46:28.400 --> 2:46:32.400 can be considered terroristic, so that's bad. There was yet 2:46:32.440 --> 2:46:35.360 another case, which is a slightly different one, which is 2:46:36.200 --> 2:46:39.000 Buttercon Surrey, who is a postoc at Georgetown who was 2:46:39.040 --> 2:46:42.800 detained and sent to an immigration facility, who's here teaching. 2:46:42.879 --> 2:46:46.320 He's a postdoc at Georgetown on a student visa who 2:46:46.360 --> 2:46:49.080 has been sent to an immigration facility based on basically 2:46:49.120 --> 2:46:53.160 a right wing panic about his wife, his wife's father 2:46:53.360 --> 2:46:57.280 being Hamas and because of this, he's been black bagged 2:46:57.360 --> 2:47:00.520 in a way very similar to Mak mckhalil. Yeah, now 2:47:00.600 --> 2:47:03.880 Georgetown is backing him on this, but this is you 2:47:03.959 --> 2:47:06.680 know this, this this is another one of these fucking 2:47:06.760 --> 2:47:09.640 blackpackings that they're just doing now with someone who is 2:47:09.680 --> 2:47:11.680 here on a student visa who has committed no crime, 2:47:11.760 --> 2:47:14.480 who Georgetown was like, has committed no crime. And again 2:47:14.480 --> 2:47:15.960 also if even if you've committed a crime, this is 2:47:16.000 --> 2:47:18.960 fucking horseship. But yeah, all of these things are just 2:47:19.040 --> 2:47:22.680 continuing to ramp up, and they're getting boulder and boulder. 2:47:23.480 --> 2:47:24.160 Thanks, Robert. 2:47:24.200 --> 2:47:25.400 Do you want to do you want to read a 2:47:25.560 --> 2:47:29.800 select paragraph or two from a from Khalil's first like 2:47:29.879 --> 2:47:30.600 public statement. 2:47:31.800 --> 2:47:35.160 Yeah, so he put out a letter a couple of 2:47:35.240 --> 2:47:38.680 days before we recorded this, and you should really read 2:47:38.800 --> 2:47:42.160 the whole thing if you just google Mahmood Khalil letter. 2:47:42.640 --> 2:47:44.200 I mean, I think the exact title is my name 2:47:44.280 --> 2:47:48.000 is Mahmood Khalil and I am a political prisoner, which 2:47:48.080 --> 2:47:51.480 is the first sentence of the letter. But I want 2:47:51.520 --> 2:47:54.400 to read this little bit of him talking about his 2:47:54.640 --> 2:47:58.520 arrest on March eighth, I was taken by DHS agents 2:47:58.560 --> 2:48:00.959 who refused to provide a warrant and accosted my wife 2:48:01.040 --> 2:48:03.440 and me as we returned from dinner. By now, the 2:48:03.480 --> 2:48:05.600 footage of that night has been made public. Before I 2:48:05.680 --> 2:48:08.240 knew it was happening, agents handcuffed and forced me into 2:48:08.280 --> 2:48:11.000 an unmarked car. At that moment, My only concern was 2:48:11.040 --> 2:48:13.760 for Newer's safety. I had no idea if she would 2:48:13.760 --> 2:48:16.119 be taken too, since the agents had threatened to arrest 2:48:16.200 --> 2:48:19.080 her for not leaving my side. DHS would not tell 2:48:19.120 --> 2:48:21.280 me anything for hours. I did not know the cause 2:48:21.320 --> 2:48:23.920 of my arrest or if I was facing immediate deportation. 2:48:24.400 --> 2:48:26.800 At twenty six Federal Plaza, I slept on the cold 2:48:26.879 --> 2:48:29.680 floor in the early morning hours. Agents transported me to 2:48:29.760 --> 2:48:33.040 another facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. There, I slept on 2:48:33.080 --> 2:48:35.760 the ground and was refused a blanket despite my request. 2:48:36.400 --> 2:48:39.280 My arrest was a direct consequence of exercising my right 2:48:39.360 --> 2:48:41.960 to free speech as I advocated for a free Palestine 2:48:42.000 --> 2:48:44.360 and an end to the genocide in Gaza, which resumed 2:48:44.400 --> 2:48:48.000 in full force Monday night with January ceasefire. Now broken, 2:48:48.120 --> 2:48:50.920 parents in Gaza are once again cradling two small shrouds, 2:48:50.959 --> 2:48:54.360 and families are forced to waste starvation and displacement against bombs. 2:48:54.680 --> 2:48:57.160 It is our moral imperative to persist in the struggle 2:48:57.200 --> 2:49:01.959 for their complete freedom. And again I really recommend reading 2:49:02.000 --> 2:49:06.000 the whole thing. It's it's very good, but yeah. 2:49:06.360 --> 2:49:11.520 I get so particularly upset that Trump's admin uses like this, 2:49:11.760 --> 2:49:16.320 like vague anti semitism justification for for for some of 2:49:16.400 --> 2:49:20.800 these actions, at least because the head of Trump's anti 2:49:20.879 --> 2:49:26.720 Semitism task force just last week retweeted Patrick Casey, who 2:49:26.840 --> 2:49:30.080 is from the American Identity Movement, a leading alt right 2:49:30.160 --> 2:49:33.640 figure who was at Charlottesville, to quote Shane Burley. This 2:49:33.800 --> 2:49:36.520 tweet that was reposted by the head of this anti 2:49:36.560 --> 2:49:40.039 semitism task force claimed that quote, Trump has the ability 2:49:40.120 --> 2:49:42.080 to revoke someone's Jew card. 2:49:42.200 --> 2:49:43.959 Yeah, it's absolutely horrible. 2:49:44.320 --> 2:49:49.400 Are a serious here, It's unbelievable, unbelievable amounts of anti 2:49:49.440 --> 2:49:54.039 semitism spread by the person who leads the federal task 2:49:54.160 --> 2:49:56.280 force to combat anti Semitism. 2:49:56.480 --> 2:49:56.720 Great. 2:49:57.040 --> 2:49:59.400 Yeah, And going going back to Columbia for a second. 2:49:59.400 --> 2:50:00.840 One of the other things that has been happening is 2:50:00.959 --> 2:50:04.279 that Trump threatened Columbia with the loss of four hundred 2:50:04.320 --> 2:50:06.800 million dollars in government contracts unless they give in to 2:50:07.040 --> 2:50:08.960 a bunch of Trump's demands. So Trump wants them to 2:50:09.040 --> 2:50:11.560 ban masks on campuses, allow campus cops to do more 2:50:11.640 --> 2:50:15.440 violence against student protesters, and expel like protesters who occupy buildings. 2:50:16.240 --> 2:50:18.360 The president is supposed to get control of all discipline 2:50:18.440 --> 2:50:21.240 and can expel and suspend students, and they want to 2:50:21.240 --> 2:50:23.640 crack down student groups. They want and this is also 2:50:23.800 --> 2:50:25.680 a tie into the other thing. They want the IHR 2:50:25.959 --> 2:50:30.760 definition of antisemitism and like specifically, the Trump's like letter 2:50:30.840 --> 2:50:34.200 to them specifically says like classifying anti Zionism as antisemitism. 2:50:34.959 --> 2:50:37.560 And they want to put the Middle East, South Asian 2:50:37.600 --> 2:50:40.800 and African studies departments in academic receivership, which means stripping 2:50:40.800 --> 2:50:42.600 away power from the faculty and giving it to someone 2:50:42.640 --> 2:50:45.640 outside the Yeah, Columbia is about to give into these demands. 2:50:45.760 --> 2:50:47.320 It seems like they want to try to find another 2:50:47.440 --> 2:50:49.680 word other than academic receivership, but they're going to fucking 2:50:49.760 --> 2:50:52.520 do it. So and Trump have the legal authority to 2:50:52.560 --> 2:50:54.280 do this, No, obviously not. But you know, does he 2:50:54.320 --> 2:50:56.040 have the moral authority to do this? No obviously not, 2:50:56.320 --> 2:50:57.480 like this guy is, but. 2:50:57.680 --> 2:50:59.879 None of those are important. He as guys with guns. 2:51:00.280 --> 2:51:02.320 That's what it always comes down to. And the any 2:51:02.360 --> 2:51:05.800 one who forgets that is only hurting themselves. 2:51:06.400 --> 2:51:08.800 Like yeah, and so he's also doing this thing of 2:51:08.800 --> 2:51:10.920 like attempting basically to dismantle a bunch of the higher 2:51:11.000 --> 2:51:13.760 education institutions in this country unless they become just pure 2:51:13.840 --> 2:51:16.080 right wing sort of laboratories. And another example of this 2:51:16.400 --> 2:51:19.440 is as the news stories about Columbia, we're coming out 2:51:19.600 --> 2:51:20.800 like Columbia trying to take the deal. 2:51:21.120 --> 2:51:21.720 We're coming out. 2:51:22.000 --> 2:51:24.080 The University of Pennsylvania is good about to lose one 2:51:24.120 --> 2:51:26.440 hundred and seventy five million dollars of funding for allowing 2:51:26.520 --> 2:51:30.400 Leah Thomas, a trans swimmer, to swim for their college. 2:51:31.280 --> 2:51:33.680 So this is just going to be a giant sort 2:51:33.680 --> 2:51:36.320 of battering ram that Trump is going to use to 2:51:37.520 --> 2:51:42.199 just basically obliterate the education system and impose whatever unhinged 2:51:42.280 --> 2:51:44.480 right wing thing that he wants to impose. 2:51:45.000 --> 2:51:47.560 And we will talk more about his efforts to destroy 2:51:47.640 --> 2:51:51.480 the education system next week on our next episode of ED, 2:51:52.200 --> 2:51:54.879 as says he is continuing to prep an executive order 2:51:54.959 --> 2:51:59.040 to abolish the Department of Education. And there's plenty of 2:51:59.040 --> 2:52:03.480 other news, including the federal judge confrontations, that we will 2:52:03.520 --> 2:52:07.080 also report on next week. But before we leave today, 2:52:07.440 --> 2:52:10.680 Mia has a brief note on the bird flu. 2:52:10.840 --> 2:52:11.320 With Flitch. 2:52:11.400 --> 2:52:13.840 I'm sure will be fine. Frankly, I'm still eating eggs, 2:52:13.920 --> 2:52:14.680 but uh Mia. 2:52:15.440 --> 2:52:17.960 Yes, so as people there with the boyd flu. So 2:52:18.440 --> 2:52:20.440 the thing the thing about chickens is that they're dying 2:52:20.480 --> 2:52:22.800 from bird flu right now. This has killed an enormous 2:52:22.840 --> 2:52:24.800 number of chickens. This is part of why egg prices 2:52:24.840 --> 2:52:27.280 are so high. Now, this is a problem that a 2:52:27.320 --> 2:52:29.040 lot of countries have dealt with. China has dealt with 2:52:29.120 --> 2:52:32.640 this by just fucking vaccinating their chickens. The Biden administration 2:52:32.760 --> 2:52:35.560 refused to vaccinate chickens because it would cost money and 2:52:35.640 --> 2:52:38.039 because it might make it harder for us to export 2:52:38.080 --> 2:52:38.680 their chickens. 2:52:39.560 --> 2:52:40.280 So that was bad. 2:52:40.800 --> 2:52:43.959 RFK Junior literally just wants to let the bird flu 2:52:44.120 --> 2:52:45.840 rip and kill all the birds and thinks that the 2:52:45.879 --> 2:52:49.240 healthy birds will survive. And those healthy birds, yeah, yeah. 2:52:49.120 --> 2:52:52.279 He thinks immunity. 2:52:52.320 --> 2:52:54.320 He has a heard immediity guy for COVID because he's 2:52:54.320 --> 2:52:56.879 a human eugenesis he's also a chicken eu genesist. Now, 2:52:57.440 --> 2:53:00.240 I'm specifically doing this because I read multiple viral just 2:53:00.280 --> 2:53:03.000 reading about this or writing about this. I talked to virologists, 2:53:03.000 --> 2:53:06.199 and the virologists all basically said, if you were trying 2:53:06.320 --> 2:53:10.960 to design a way to make the bird flu like 2:53:11.400 --> 2:53:13.360 move like a mutate in such a way that it 2:53:13.400 --> 2:53:15.280 moves from birds to humans, this is what you would do. 2:53:15.560 --> 2:53:19.560 Yeah, great, so and again cool, the death rate of 2:53:19.680 --> 2:53:24.840 this thing is in a completely different category from fucking COVID. 2:53:25.000 --> 2:53:29.600 It makes COVID look like having a mild case of allergies, 2:53:30.000 --> 2:53:36.359 like staggeringly lethal and like it cannot overstate how disastrous 2:53:36.440 --> 2:53:37.000 this would be. 2:53:37.280 --> 2:53:39.880 Yeah, and COVID code more than a million Americans, like 2:53:40.000 --> 2:53:41.520 fifteen case people have memory? 2:53:41.560 --> 2:53:44.880 Hold that yeah, right now, current rates when it has 2:53:45.000 --> 2:53:48.240 reached humans as about a fifty percent fatality rate. They 2:53:48.280 --> 2:53:50.840 thought initially that they were missing a lot of cases 2:53:50.920 --> 2:53:53.320 and that it was much lower, but like the current 2:53:53.400 --> 2:53:56.920 research points to the suggests that that is not the case, 2:53:57.360 --> 2:54:00.880 that it is actually somewhere in that range of lethality. 2:54:01.520 --> 2:54:04.880 Yes, I'm still eating my chicken tartar. I don't know 2:54:04.920 --> 2:54:06.440 why everyone's so worried about it. 2:54:07.640 --> 2:54:08.160 And again, we. 2:54:09.840 --> 2:54:13.160 Don't know that like the version that actually is able 2:54:13.200 --> 2:54:16.120 to jump from human to human after jumping from bird 2:54:16.200 --> 2:54:19.160 to human would be that lethal because that doesn't exist 2:54:19.320 --> 2:54:19.760 quite yet. 2:54:19.959 --> 2:54:23.320 Probably, Yeah, but this is how we find out, but 2:54:23.720 --> 2:54:25.480 we really don't want to find out. 2:54:26.080 --> 2:54:28.360 Yeah, I look, if you don't want to find out, 2:54:28.400 --> 2:54:29.600 we have to find a way to get our k 2:54:29.760 --> 2:54:31.240 junior out of that fucking office. 2:54:31.720 --> 2:54:35.080 Like again, I think if we we really need to 2:54:35.160 --> 2:54:37.840 have a lot of different farmers set up photo ops 2:54:37.879 --> 2:54:40.320 with him where he is just covered in birds. We 2:54:40.440 --> 2:54:43.760 need to have that man in constant physical contact with chicken. 2:54:43.800 --> 2:54:46.520 It would do it and the problem will eventually solve it. 2:54:46.800 --> 2:54:49.000 We could convince him to eat raw chicken. We could 2:54:49.040 --> 2:54:52.720 definitely do it. Sure, yes, absolutely, raw would eat them, 2:54:53.160 --> 2:54:56.400 cuddle them, sleep with them at night, just kind of 2:54:56.560 --> 2:54:58.199 stand on a pile of their corpses. 2:54:58.360 --> 2:55:00.840 All right, all right, I'm if you are a chicken, 2:55:01.480 --> 2:55:04.039 or you know a chicken, or you have anything else 2:55:04.160 --> 2:55:05.920 you would like to share with us, you can do 2:55:06.040 --> 2:55:08.120 so well, not anything else. You should be related to 2:55:08.160 --> 2:55:10.920 the news and things that we can report on. 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