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Speaker 1: This podcast is based a large part on the book

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Speaker 1: Born Ready Mixed Legacy of Len Bias. Some cults are

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Speaker 1: narrated by podcast producer and book author Dave and Grady

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Speaker 1: from interviews done for the book. Recrings for those comments

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Speaker 2: Got to that point where the second guess was coming

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Speaker 2: from everywhere, and I asked.

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Speaker 3: A lot of questions about course I was letting that

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Speaker 4: The inspiration that limbias was to Walt Williams and I,

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Speaker 4: but we also came back and contributed to the program

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Speaker 5: That ultimately led with winning the championship.

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Speaker 4: In two thousand and two.

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Speaker 6: At this point, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, you're thinking, how much more you know can one

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Speaker 7: person dumb.

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Speaker 8: And show they tried to make the fall guy poor

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Speaker 8: Left had no more to do with that than you

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Speaker 8: are I here.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in this episode of Lembias, the Mixed Legacy teammate

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Speaker 1: how the death and Bias impacted members of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six of Maryland basketball would have been so sick.

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Speaker 9: Few were as profoundly affected by the death of Len

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Speaker 9: Bias as members of the nineteen eighty six Maryland basketball team.

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Speaker 9: For this episode, we will focus on the impact of

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Speaker 9: his death on some of his teammates as well as

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Speaker 9: his coach, Lefty Drizzl. This episode captures the essence of

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Speaker 9: resilience as it relates to the death and legacy of

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Speaker 9: len Bias, the ability to recover quickly from difficulties and

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Speaker 9: showing toughness during those times. Some managed to endure the

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Speaker 9: torrential onslaught of challenges and forge lives wiser and more

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Speaker 9: sturdy than they might have been without the tragedy. Others

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Speaker 9: struggled to escape the lingering wreckage. Dave Dickerson, Derek Lewis,

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Speaker 9: Keith Gatlin. Through teaching and coaching, they've managed to pass

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Speaker 9: along lessons they learned that tumultuous time.

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Speaker 3: This generation doesn't know they've heard about their parents, know

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Speaker 3: their parents still no use drugs because you know then buys.

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Speaker 9: Tony Masenberg overcame a stop and start college career to

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Speaker 9: become an NBA champion. John Johnson has lived a quiet

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Speaker 9: life with little taste for basketball, but still idolizing his friend.

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Speaker 10: It's important for me to tell my story as far

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Speaker 10: as how he impacted my life. I carry him with

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Speaker 9: Jeff Baxter is philosophical.

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Speaker 11: What I what?

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Speaker 2: I took him down, Jerry the first we section. First

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Speaker 2: thing I took was life is short. You never know

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Speaker 9: And Speedy Jones turned to God. David greg and Terry

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Speaker 9: Long were with Bias when he died. They both have

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Speaker 9: mostly remained quiet, choosing to let Len's legacy pass with

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Speaker 9: minimal public reflection. Greg Nard went on to work with

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Speaker 9: such super stars as Tiger Woods and Michelle Wee. As

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Speaker 9: a marketing and management representative for Nike, Brian Palmer has

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Speaker 9: coached youth sports. He has told the LN Bias story

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Speaker 9: right choices. Phil Nevin says he's long ago put it

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Speaker 9: all behind him. Coach Trisell fared better than most, continuing

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Speaker 9: a career that ended with an induction into the Naismith

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Speaker 5: You know, basketball has been great to me and for

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Speaker 5: unbelievable and thank.

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Speaker 12: You very much.

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Speaker 9: Some talk to us for this podcast. Some of the

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Speaker 9: comments came from the book Born Ready. The Mixed Legacy

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Speaker 9: of Len Bias. It's a tale of one shattered team

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Speaker 9: that shared an enduring tragedy, the death of but it

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Speaker 10: So I met it. We both were shooting at those

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Speaker 2: I think we both lost a lot of money because

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Speaker 10: He approached me. He approached me, and we started all

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Speaker 10: I remember it is what's up? Man.

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Speaker 2: We gave each other five back in the day, so

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Speaker 10: I do know that.

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Speaker 9: That's Jeff Baxter talking about the day he met Len Bias.

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Speaker 9: It was on a senior class trip in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 9: two to King's Dominion, an amusement park about eighty five

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Speaker 9: in the summer of nineteen eighty two. They shared a

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Speaker 9: They developed a comfortable bond from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like myself, you any kind of serious or whatever,

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Speaker 9: Baxter and Bias would be roommates during their four years

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Speaker 9: at Maryland. During their first year, Bias and Baxter held

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Speaker 2: We would actually when we would have to have curfew,

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Speaker 10: I couldn't believe it. You get bored. He gets bored

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Speaker 2: The game is not until nine o'clock the next night,

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Speaker 10: So we were a fresh movement.

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Speaker 2: We would just type, turn the music, guys. Then we

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Speaker 2: And that's how it was just hilarious for six for

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Speaker 9: As juniors, they ventured further from campus for social outings.

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Speaker 9: A favorite hangout was Georgetown, a section of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 9: With dozens of upscale bars and shops. One of their

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Speaker 9: favorite places in Georgetown was the Saloon at Jazz Club.

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Speaker 9: Baxter claims that he never saw Bias drink alcohol. As

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Speaker 2: Lenny would never drink one thing in front of it.

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Speaker 2: When we went out, we partied, we danced, we chased

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Speaker 10: That's it. We didn't we didn't go out, We didn't

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Speaker 9: Baxter did not start his first game until the Sea

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Speaker 9: Bias broke curfew. After a game against NC State, Along

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Speaker 9: Baxter would likely have stated at his girlfriend's house, where

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Speaker 9: shortly after midnight, expecting to study a bit more. The

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Speaker 2: I was more so excited. Again, the thoughts too, they

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Speaker 9: But a few hours later Bias was dead. Baxter was

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Speaker 10: But I've heard things. I have not heard anything validated

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Speaker 9: Baxter found solo comfort in a familiar place on the

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I came to this line.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of because I was trying to just

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Speaker 9: Baxter spent the next few weeks at his parents' house nearby.

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Speaker 10: The second guess was coming from everywhere.

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Speaker 9: Baxter tried out for two NBA teams, and he feels

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Speaker 9: He claims he was asked by one team to perform

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Speaker 9: Two years after Bias died, Baxter returned to Maryland and

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Speaker 9: completed his public relations degree. For some twenty years, something

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Speaker 9: He now mostly reflects on his friend and teammate only

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Speaker 9: when asked. Baxter attended the premiere of the documentary Without

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Speaker 9: Bias in two thousand and nine. He recalls an emotional

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Speaker 10: Steve Francis and he was, you know, he was crying.

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Speaker 9: When thinking of Bias, Baxter tries to focus on lessons

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Speaker 2: To me, God's choices, it's solid. Everything has been knocked

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Speaker 2: I just gotta be careful what choices you do. And

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Speaker 9: Like Baxter. Tom Speedy Jones was a senior on the

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Speaker 9: going to church. During a phone conversation in May twenty eleven,

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Speaker 9: Jones said that the death of Bias reknew his faith

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Speaker 9: in God. Speedy Jones told me, the sad thing is

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Speaker 9: it's a hard thing to say, but it was a

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Speaker 9: positive thing for me. It made me take a look

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Speaker 9: at how I was living my life during that year.

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Speaker 9: I was the worst. I had no respect period. Anyone

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Speaker 9: Jones was an All American in both high schooled and

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Speaker 9: Of that, Gatland did play for pro teams in Europe

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Speaker 9: I tell kids, it's okay to be different. Live to

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Speaker 9: Doing that Lewis recalls the high confidence level of Bias,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'll go quick, because they were they were blaming them.

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Speaker 3: That that hurt just as much as the Probably the

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Speaker 9: Bias to his class. After one viewing, a student said

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Speaker 9: the documentary helped teach her that abusing drugs even one time,

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Speaker 9: can kill you.

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Speaker 6: Just one time.

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Speaker 10: And that's the story. You know. It could have me

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Speaker 10: one time till one time.

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Speaker 11: It's it.

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Speaker 9: Like many of his teammates from the nineteen eighty six

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Speaker 9: Maryland team, Tony Massenberg thought about transferring out of Maryland

448
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Speaker 9: after Len Bias died, but he chose to stay instead.

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Speaker 9: Here's what Massenberg said about it in nineteen ninety in

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Speaker 9: a newspaper article. Quote, I thought that I'd seen the

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Speaker 9: worse this program had to offer, So why would I

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Speaker 9: leave for some place that may be even worse. I

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Speaker 9: could have said, this is it. I'm not doing this anymore.

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Speaker 9: Somebody is out to get me. I kept striving. I

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Speaker 9: knew there would be a rainbow at the end of

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Speaker 9: all of this. Still, it took some time for Masterberg

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Speaker 9: to work through some challenges. He learned within weeks of

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Speaker 9: bias His death that he would be suspended from the

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Speaker 9: team his sophomore season for cheating on an exam. Here's

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Speaker 9: Masenburg again in nineteen ninety quote, I didn't think they

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Speaker 9: had enough evidence. I felt I may have been made

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Speaker 9: an example of during the time Maryland was supposedly cleaning

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Speaker 9: up their program. End quote. More academic problems forced Masburg

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Speaker 9: to miss the early part of the nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 9: eighty eight season his third year as well. He played

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Speaker 9: his first Maryland game since Bias died on December twenty

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Speaker 9: eighth that season. His next season was delayed too, Masenberg

468
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Speaker 9: was suspended for selling complimentary tickets to the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 9: eight ACC Tournament. Said Masseburg in the nineteen ninety story,

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Speaker 9: quote lessly say there hasn't been anybody in the history

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Speaker 9: of NCAA basketball, barring injury, that has had a rougher

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Speaker 9: career at one school than I have. End quote. There

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Speaker 9: were signs in the nineteen eighty nine preseason that Massenburg

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Speaker 9: was disheartened. New head coach Gary Williams remembered him as

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Speaker 9: lacking aggressionation in practices. Williams said this in the Washington

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Speaker 9: Post story about Massenburg that year. Quote, I wasn't sure

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Speaker 9: he wanted to rebound, or play defense or any of

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Speaker 9: the other things that require the work. I think there

479
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 9: was a tendency to think, why me, Why did I

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Speaker 9: have to go through this funny thing about the suspension.

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Speaker 9: He came back from that ready to play end quote.

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Speaker 9: Williams added to those comments in an interview for this podcast.

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Speaker 18: You know, when you have a coach and all of

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Speaker 18: a sudden he's let go that that's not a fun

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Speaker 18: time for any player, regardless of felt for the coach.

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Speaker 18: And I'm sure Tony has some feelings about that.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 18: The only thing I could do was make a promise.

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Speaker 18: I'd try to make him as good as possible. And

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Speaker 18: you know, I didn't blow a lot of smoke at

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Speaker 18: him and tell him how great he was or anything

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Speaker 18: like that. But Tony was the type of player that

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Speaker 18: it was worth running your offense to get the ball

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Speaker 18: inside that first year.

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Speaker 9: By the end of his Maryland career, Massenburg was twice

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Speaker 9: selected to All Atlantic Coast Conference teams. The San Antonio

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Speaker 9: Spurs picked Masenberg in the second round of the nineteen

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Speaker 9: ninety NBA Draft. In thirteen NBA seasons, he played for

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Speaker 9: more than a dozen teams and won a championship with

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Speaker 9: the Spurs in two thousand and five. In twenty eleven,

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Speaker 9: Massenberg had agreed to an interview for the book Born

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Speaker 9: Ready The Mixed Legacy of len Bias. Two months later,

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Speaker 9: he notified me that he had a quote conflict of

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Speaker 9: interest close quote and would not do the interview. It

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Speaker 9: turned out Massenberg and former Maryland star Williams were working

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Speaker 9: on a book about Bias. The book was published in

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Speaker 9: twenty eighteen. At a promotional appearance, Masenberg explained what inspired

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Speaker 9: him to write the book, called Lessons from Lenny, The.

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Speaker 4: Inspiration that Lin Bias was to Walt Williams and I

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Speaker 4: and the fact that that motivated us to not only

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Speaker 4: stay at Maryland at the time when we left, but

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Speaker 4: we also came back and contributed to the program in

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Speaker 4: the rebuilding process that ultimately led to it winning the

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Speaker 4: championship in two thousand and two. So we talk about

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Speaker 4: that journey and the lessons that we learned that actually

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Speaker 4: made us better people. Because lin Bias was inspirational.

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Speaker 11: I'm surprised the Lenby's story is not being told on

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Speaker 11: a yearly basis when new athletes come into college or

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Speaker 11: into high school. The Lenbis story is one of the

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Speaker 11: better stories you can use to get an individual or team.

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Speaker 10: To do the right thing.

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Speaker 9: That's Dave Dickerson, a freshman on the Maryland team when

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Speaker 9: Lan Bias died. From the death of Bias, Dickerson learned

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Speaker 9: fortitude and perseverance. Those lessons, some twenty years later, helped

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Speaker 9: him navigate through another tragedy. In April two thousand and five,

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Speaker 9: Dickerson was one of about eighty people who applied for

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Speaker 9: the head coach's job at Tulane University in New Orleans.

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Speaker 9: He was chosen in part for how he handled himself

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Speaker 9: at Maryland after Bias died. A letter from former Maryland

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Speaker 9: Chancellor John Slaughter to Tulane athletic director Rick Dixon helped.

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Speaker 9: In the letter, Slaughter called Dickerson a quote, pillar of

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Speaker 9: calm during the storm and a national spokesperson not just

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Speaker 9: for basketball but for the university end quote. Dickerson took

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Speaker 9: over a program that recorded one winning season in five years.

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Speaker 9: Then Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the home city for

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Speaker 9: Tulane men's basketball was one of five school teams forced

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Speaker 9: to relocate to the campus of Tech to Say and

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Speaker 9: M University, some four hundred miles away. Dickerson had to

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Speaker 9: think of ways to keep players focused on playing basketball.

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Speaker 9: He told them the story about Len Bias. Dickerson told

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Speaker 9: me when I got them together for the first time

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Speaker 9: in Texas. I told them the story about sticking with

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Speaker 9: the University of Maryland and not transferring and weathering the storm,

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Speaker 9: and look where it got me. Without that story, I

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Speaker 9: think I would have lost half my team. They had

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Speaker 9: to remain loyal to a coach who hadn't recruited anyone

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Speaker 9: on that team. I just told them what happened and

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Speaker 9: what type of player Bias was. I told them to

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Speaker 9: this day he was the best player I played with,

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Speaker 9: or against or saw during my coaching career. I compared

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Speaker 9: him to Michael Jordan and Carl Malone and Larry Bird.

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Speaker 9: I talked to them about what happened in the morning

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Speaker 9: of June nineteenth, nineteen eighty six. I went through that

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Speaker 9: step by step. The Len Bias story was the catch

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Speaker 9: to get their attention, to get guys to be loyal,

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Speaker 9: maintaining the course, and yes, there will be some ups

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Speaker 9: and downs, tragedies here and there. We needed to continue

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Speaker 9: to work and stick together. I told them at the

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Speaker 9: end of the day, you will benefit from it. Before

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Speaker 9: taking the job at Tulane, Dickerson worked as an assistant

561
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 9: coach at three programs, including one season at James Madison University.

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Speaker 9: The head coach then was Lefty Drizzl. In nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 9: Dickerson began a nine year career as an assistant at Maryland.

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Speaker 9: When he started, it marked the end of a boycott

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Speaker 9: of sorts for Dickerson. Here's Don Marcus, a podcast producer

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Speaker 9: who covered Maryland athletics during the Gary Williams era.

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Speaker 19: I remember talking to Dave Dickerson when Gary Williams hired him,

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Speaker 19: and what struck me was something that Dave said about

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Speaker 19: his time as a player at Maryland. After graduating in

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Speaker 19: nineteen eighty nine, he didn't wear his college reigned until

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Speaker 19: he showed up in nineteen ninety six, mainly because he

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Speaker 19: didn't want to talk about the years he was at

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Speaker 19: Maryland and he didn't want to talk about the death

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Speaker 19: of one Bias.

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Speaker 9: As an assistant coach, Dickerson recruited such all Americans and

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Speaker 9: future pro players as Steve Francis and Juan Dixon. Dickerson

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Speaker 9: was an all state player in high school out of

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Speaker 9: South Carolina. He played in fifteen games as a freshman,

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Speaker 9: with forwards Bias and Speedy Jones ending their eligibility in

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Speaker 9: nineteen eighty six. Dickerson felt good about his chances at

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Speaker 9: forward the next season, but then Bias died and chaos

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Speaker 9: became the new normal. Dickerson considered transferring, but chose to

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Speaker 9: stay at Maryland. He felt it was too risky to leave.

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Speaker 9: He also feared that if he left Maryland he would

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Speaker 9: suffer the wrath of his father, whom he called, quote

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Speaker 9: an old school guy. Close quotes, Dickerson told me, if

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Speaker 9: you start something, you finish it. I scared of my father.

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Speaker 9: In a profound understatement, Dickerson says that playing for the

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00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 9: Terrapians that first season after Bias died was not fun.

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Speaker 9: Dickerson told me we were viewed in a different light

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Speaker 9: than any other athlete on campus. The perception of that

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00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 9: team and the players on it was that we were

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Speaker 9: drug abusers, we all didn't go to class, and that

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Speaker 9: we all were all part of what happened that night.

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Speaker 9: There were stairs, people being standoffish. There weren't a lot

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Speaker 9: of people reaching out and hugging you. It was a

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Speaker 9: life altering experience. Dickerson ended his career at Maryland as

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Speaker 9: a part time starter. He was the team captain his

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Speaker 9: senior season in nineteen eighty nine and earned his government

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Speaker 9: and politics degree in nineteen ninety Perhaps his most cherished

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Speaker 9: moment from Maryland took place after his junior season in

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Speaker 9: nineteen eighty eight. That's when he met his future wife, Lorette,

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Speaker 9: a nineteen ninety one graduate of Maryland. Dickerson told me,

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Speaker 9: I'm at peace with everything that happened. I don't look

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Speaker 9: back and say would a In twenty twenty one, Dickerson

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Speaker 9: began his fourth season as the men's basketball head coach

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Speaker 9: at South Carolina Upstate Thrat his coaching career, he has

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Speaker 9: answered questions about bias from players he's coached. Dickerson told me,

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Speaker 9: was he really that good? What kind of person was he?

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Speaker 9: Did you know what he was doing in that room

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Speaker 9: that night? I got those questions from my son when

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Speaker 9: he was ten years old. He did not fully understand

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Speaker 9: the scope of what happened. I talked to him about

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Speaker 9: what's right and wrong about making good decisions and the

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00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 9: consequences of making bad decisions. To this day, I consider

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Speaker 9: len Bias a role model. Role Models don't always make

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Speaker 9: the right decisions. When you make a bad decision, sometimes

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00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 9: you pay for it with your life. Len Bias taught

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Speaker 9: me more about life in the one year I spent

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Speaker 9: with him than any other person outside of my family.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, sitting next to his jerseys, can you

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Speaker 6: feel anything from this, any kind of.

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Speaker 10: Emotion knowing that you're not really.

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Speaker 13: Because he's anywhere I go, anywhere, I could feel Lendy's

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Speaker 13: present or whatever. A lot of times when I'm by myself,

626
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Speaker 13: I can be riding along or whatever and just break down, you.

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Speaker 11: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 10: He's always with me.

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Speaker 9: Minutes earlier, John Johnson had returned to a familiar setting,

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Speaker 9: eager but wary of how everything would feel. He had

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Speaker 9: not walked through the doors of R. J. Bentley's restaurant

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Speaker 9: in College Park in more than two decades. Johnson walked

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Speaker 9: into a back room in the restaurant toward the number

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Speaker 9: thirty four len Biased jersey hanging on the wall in

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Speaker 9: a glass protected frame. He did so without guidance. It

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00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 9: was as if he was propelled by a spiritual force

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Speaker 9: that was Back in twenty ten, Johnson was about to

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Speaker 9: sit down for his first in depth interview about Bias,

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Speaker 9: almost twenty five years after he died. As Johnson looked

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Speaker 9: back across the room, he asked, do you mind if

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Speaker 9: we sit next to Len's jersey? Not waiting for an answer,

642
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 9: he had it toured it. Let's sit next to Lenny,

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Speaker 9: he said. Then he talked for three hours about his

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Speaker 9: life since the death of Bias, whom he called a brother, firing.

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Speaker 20: His eyes, the person that he was, his personality, his spirit,

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Speaker 20: whatever his attitude about the game and his love for

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Speaker 20: the game.

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Speaker 10: Let me keep it right there and everybody else can

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Speaker 10: have the rest what he gave to me. Whatever is

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Speaker 10: he turned, I'll always remember that.

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Speaker 9: Speedy Jones, a senior on the Maryland team with Johnson,

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Speaker 9: says no member of the team was as affected by

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Speaker 9: the death of Bias as Johnson, and that includes David

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Speaker 9: greg and Terry Long, who were in the room with

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Speaker 9: Bias when he died. Dave Dickerson, a freshman with Johnson,

656
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 9: witnessed Bias and Johnson form a special friendship. Dickerson told me,

657
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 9: throughout our first year, he hit a natural bond with Lenny.

658
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 9: After Johnson left Maryland in nineteen eighty nine, he struggled

659
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 9: to even play pickup basketball games for years. During the interview,

660
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 9: Johnson expressed pride for not fading into a deep, prolonged

661
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 9: despair after Bias died.

662
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 13: You see the two ways that I could have gone.

663
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 13: I could have crashed and burned or whatever. I could

664
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 13: have just picked myself up and used him as a

665
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 13: motivator and to go forward. I've never been arrested, never

666
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 13: been locked up. You know, my record as clean as

667
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 13: a whistle. Don't have any do you do, Duiy's I

668
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 13: had no d W eyes or whatever.

669
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 9: Johnson and Bias bonded within moments of meeting in the

670
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 9: summer of nineteen eighty four. It was on Johnson's recruiting

671
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 9: trip to Maryland. Johnson opened a door to a dorm

672
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 9: room full of Maryland basketball players. Bias tackled him almost immediately.

673
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 9: They started to wrestle, acting like two young teenagers testing

674
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 9: their competitive edge.

675
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 13: And one of the biggest reasons why I came was

676
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 13: because the fact that when I got here, you know,

677
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 13: he and I are down and wrestling in the floor

678
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 13: or whatever you know. I'll never forget that now. I

679
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 13: had no idea who Limbias was when I was at

680
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 13: Senior Hospital. He walcomed me almost like a teammate.

681
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 9: Bro As a senior in high school, Johnson was named

682
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 9: the top player in Tennessee and an All American. Bias

683
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 9: called Johnson about a dozen times while Maryland was recruiting him.

684
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 9: That was even more important for convincing Johnson to attend

685
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 9: Maryland once Bias called from Alaska while Maryland was playing

686
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 9: in the Great Alaska Shootout.

687
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 13: The thing about it, you think I care about what

688
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 13: happened one night in a room when you got to

689
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 13: calling you to Alaska.

690
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 9: Johnson was referring to the night Bias die.

691
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 10: I'm nobody. I'm just a kid that's trying to get

692
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 10: into a university. But he got it.

693
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 15: He was.

694
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 9: As a freshman, Johnson shared a dorm suite with Bias,

695
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 9: Terry Long, and Speedy Jones. He seemed to be enjoying

696
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 9: his first year at Maryland. Sue Tyler, an associate athletic

697
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 9: director at Maryland, then remembers Johnson during his freshman year

698
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 9: as a person with a promising future and.

699
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 21: He was just a just a sweet, nice, upbeat, smiley

700
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 21: faced kid and just the brightest smile on his face

701
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 21: all the time, and a positive word for everybody and

702
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 21: find loving. And he just strutted around, and I just

703
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 21: knew that he was going to be somebody and he

704
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 21: was going to make a difference.

705
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 6: I mean, he was just a good guy.

706
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 9: Johnson finished the year with the best numbers of any

707
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 9: of the five Maryland freshmen. He led the class and

708
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 9: overall appearances with thirty and with five point eight points

709
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 9: per game. Johnson also ended the season enjoying his bond

710
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 9: with Bias. He felt it was unique for a freshman

711
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 9: to be spending so much time with a senior, especially

712
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 9: a superstar such as Bias. He remembers Bias embracing his

713
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 9: Tennessee country leanings. In Johnson's fondness for pop bands such

714
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 9: as New Addition, Bias preferred go go music, a genre

715
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 9: that originated in Washington, d C.

716
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 13: I guess he never thought he was going to be

717
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 13: listening to, you know, New Edition in Bobby Brown and

718
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 13: some of these other casts I was listening to at

719
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 13: the time. But you know, he started liking my music,

720
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 13: and I remember he started joking, joking with me about that,

721
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 13: you know, about how these you know, little you know,

722
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 13: catchy songs was starting to grow on him and.

723
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 10: Stuff like that.

724
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 9: After Bias died, Johnson says he and most of his

725
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 9: Maryland teammates went back to the rooms and stayed there,

726
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 9: relying on friends to provide food for us to a week.

727
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 9: They waited until the media interest waned. They turned away

728
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 9: a grief counselor. The first class Johnson attended after Bias

729
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 9: died took place in a large lecture hall. He and

730
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 9: a friend walked through a door at the front of

731
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 9: the hall, visible to the dozens of students who had

732
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 9: already taken their seats. The buzz of idle chatter suddenly stopped.

733
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 9: He walked through row after row of students, all silent,

734
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 9: and took a seat at the back.

735
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 10: Your crickets and this is that quiet? So me, I

736
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 10: don't know, I don't know what y'all said about that.

737
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 10: You know, you associated me with being a drug head?

738
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 10: What did you mean? So I started feeling bad about

739
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 10: you know, where are these people thinking? I'm not ready

740
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 10: for it?

741
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 9: Johnson stayed for about fifteen minutes and then left to

742
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 9: escape the pressures. Johnson spent time after bias his death

743
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 9: a friend's house in Columbia, Maryland. His routine once he

744
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 9: returned to school was going from class, to the gym,

745
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 9: to the training table, and to his room. He often

746
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 9: read scripture for comfort and considered transferring to anywhere. He

747
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 9: struggled with what people were saying about Bias, the team

748
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 9: and coach Lefty Grisel.

749
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 21: He seemed to be the one that was most affected

750
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 21: by Len's death because his posture changed. He was rounded

751
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 21: shoulders and he never looked up anymore.

752
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: His smile was gone.

753
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 21: Was I think he was deeply saddened and deeply affected

754
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 21: by Len's death.

755
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 9: Comforting words from Lenise Bias helped Johnson deal with his grief.

756
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 9: It happened a few months after lenn died, during a

757
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 9: chance meeting at a shopping mall near the Maryland campus.

758
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 10: He encouraged me, and I'll never forget it. She was

759
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 10: wanted meiggest ones or whatever. The reason why I stayed

760
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 10: because of the fact that she had so much to say.

761
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 10: Lenny loved you, and.

762
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 22: You keep doing what you're doing because God wants you

763
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 22: to be here. And she just had so much conviction

764
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 22: in her spirit, in her heart or whatever. I remember

765
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 22: after a conversation with her, me and the young.

766
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 10: Lady I was with, I was already shaken the Holy spirit.

767
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 9: You know.

768
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 10: She encouraged me to keep going. Man when she saw

769
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 10: you know, Lenny used to talk about you all the time.

770
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 9: Johnson also found inspiration from an unlikely source. Brian Tribble,

771
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 9: one of the three people with bias when he died.

772
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 9: It happened in a barbershop and Tocoma Park, Maryland, frequented

773
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 9: by Maryland players. He saw Trible sitting in a chair.

774
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 13: And going to barbershop trying to figure out Now, I'm

775
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 13: trying to sort out my feelings now.

776
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 10: Should I feel angry either?

777
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 23: Why?

778
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 8: When?

779
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 9: Was like?

780
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 10: Probably? Probably?

781
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 13: It was my first encounter with him after after the situation,

782
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 13: after Lynn died.

783
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 10: So I'm sitting there, Go back outside, get my car

784
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 10: where we go up? After he was in there? If

785
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 10: you didn't want to be in there.

786
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 13: With us, Yeah, I'm trying to sort out my feelings

787
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 13: right now about that. Better go in the barbershop, go

788
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 13: back in, sit down next to Brian. Don't know what

789
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 13: to say, don't know what to talk about. But we

790
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 13: just started something, just some conversation whatever, man, and Brian

791
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 13: looks at me and said, you know, Johnny, Lenny used

792
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 13: to always say that the next person that was going

793
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 13: to come out of here was going.

794
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 10: To be here, said Lennie used to tell me, he said.

795
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 10: I used to ask Lenny, who's gonna take over after

796
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 10: you leave? He said. Lenny was always saved Johnny Johnson.

797
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 13: So hearing Brian say say that to me and not

798
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 13: hearing it from Lenny or whatever, it is almost like

799
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 13: Lenny talking to me.

800
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 9: The season after the death of Bias, Johnson started every

801
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 9: game as a sophomore, averaging about ten points a game,

802
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 9: but it's playing time diminished as a junior. Interestingly, he

803
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 9: found ways to have fun that year.

804
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 24: Oh my god, it was my best year in regardless

805
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 24: fact that guess what. Every day when I went to

806
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 24: practice or whatever. Even ask any of them guys, Greg

807
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 24: Dave about this or whatever. They had no answer from me.

808
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 24: I played like Lenny and I were playing just free.

809
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 24: The year that I didn't play my best year at

810
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 24: the university in Maryland. He lad, we're having fun.

811
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 9: Johnson ended his senior year as one of the team's

812
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 9: top players, starting all twenty nine games and posting a

813
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 9: career best fifteen point five points per game. Still, Maryland

814
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 9: struggled and finished nine and twenty, and the effects of

815
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: bias his death still lingered. Johnson recalls that once while

816
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 9: he sat in Massenberg's dorm room, they suddenly both grew silent.

817
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 9: Moments later, Masenberg erupted in a spasm of crying.

818
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 10: See him break down like that with his life? Man,

819
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 10: what do I do?

820
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 15: You know what I mean? Oh?

821
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 10: What did he say?

822
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 13: You can't say anything or whatever because we've already been

823
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 13: through so much.

824
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 9: You know, I was older.

825
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 10: So did you cry along with of you?

826
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 9: Remember?

827
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 10: Man?

828
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 12: You know it's.

829
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 10: I just remember a big fellow broke down, and I'm

830
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 10: pretty sure I tear up to.

831
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 9: Johnson admits that during his senior year, he and a

832
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 9: couple other players threatened to quit the team. They had

833
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 9: just lost to eighth rank North Carolina in late January.

834
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 9: The record was six and eight.

835
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 10: Now we're trying to shake off, you know, the death

836
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 10: ofly In by Camis. Everybody was just at their breaking fee.

837
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 10: But me, I was done with it.

838
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 15: I was.

839
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 10: I was ready to pack it in. What you going

840
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 10: to do tonight? Rokan Scholarship. I'm already going graduate, so

841
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 10: what do I call?

842
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 9: Johnson and the others decided to play through the year

843
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 9: that allowed Johnson and Massenburg to share a tribute to Bias.

844
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 9: It took place in the first round of the ACC Tournament. Maryland,

845
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 9: the lowest seed, defeated top seed at NC State seventy

846
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 9: one to forty nine. It was Maryland's biggest win of

847
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 9: the season, and on the last play of the game,

848
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 9: Johnson took an outlet pass off a rebound and looked

849
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 9: up court as Maryland began to break away. He threw

850
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 9: a lob pass to Massenburg, who responded with a resounding

851
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 9: Bias like dunk. Massenberg then ran to Johnson for an

852
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 9: emotional embrace. Said Johnson at the time, quote, it was

853
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 9: like an exclamation point to my career, me saying to Tony, Hey,

854
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 9: big fella, this is my last pass to you. Tear

855
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 9: that rim down and let's have a little Lenny Bias celebration.

856
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 10: Close quote.

857
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 9: Johnson did not have reason to celebrate basketball much after that.

858
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 9: Maryland lost its next game in the tournament and was

859
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 9: done for the season. He says a scheduled tryout for

860
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 9: the Celtics never happened due to injury. His passion for

861
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 9: basketball continued to fade. He would not even play in

862
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 9: a pickup game. It was not an easy decision for

863
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 9: Johnson to discuss bias in twenty ten. He had not

864
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 9: talked with the media about him since nineteen ninety. In

865
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 9: a Washington Post feature about Massenburg, as he considered doing

866
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 9: the interview, he consulted the Bible to.

867
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 10: Say that he wasn't an anger because the fact that how.

868
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 13: Many people didn't say, how many people actually went to Christ,

869
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 13: because the fact that they threw away a lot of

870
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 13: drugs that in the same night they found out and

871
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 13: decided they were going to change their.

872
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 10: Lives for the better. In my estimation, whatever, he was

873
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 10: a angelist.

874
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 13: But you know, if you think about it, you know

875
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 13: how many other people look at him and change it

876
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 13: because of the fact that he saved their lives.

877
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 10: Without a lambias. Whatever, Where would those people? Do?

878
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 11: You know?

879
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 9: Terry Long was one of three people with len bias

880
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 9: when he had the heart attack that led to his death.

881
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 9: Long achieved more notoriety for his connection to the death

882
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 9: of the Maryland Star than for his accomplishments on a

883
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 9: basketball court. For most of his Maryland career, Long played

884
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 9: a supportive role as a six foot eight inch forward.

885
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 9: He was not a frequent starter until his junior year.

886
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 9: Long averaged less than four points and four rebounds a game.

887
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 9: A Washington Post story described Long as a polite, soft

888
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 9: spoken sword with an easy smile but an anxious demeanor.

889
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 9: The birth of a daughter about eighteen months before the

890
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 9: death of Bias was an additional challenge for Long, said

891
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 9: Long in March nineteen eighty six. It was something for

892
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 9: me to get adjusted to. It's made me mature faster.

893
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 9: Long claims that Bias introduced him to cocaine in nineteen

894
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 9: eighty four, at the beginning of a sophomore season. He

895
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 9: says Bias gave him the drug in a folded dollar bill.

896
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 9: Speedy Jones was a senior on the team in nineteen

897
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 9: eighty six. Long's cocaine connection to Bias was not a

898
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 9: surprise to Jones. Jones told me Terry Long was hooked

899
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 9: on cocaine. If Bias hadn't died, Long might have died

900
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 9: from cocaine. Long was charged with possessing cocaine and obstructing

901
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 9: justice related to bias his death, but the charges were

902
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 9: dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Brian Tribble, another

903
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 9: person with Bias. When he died, Long's life took dramatic

904
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 9: turns after the death of Bias. He returned to the

905
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 9: Maryland campus two days later along with the police escort.

906
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 9: He had received death threats. In October nineteen eighty six,

907
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 9: Long was suspended indefinitely from the team following his indictment.

908
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 9: He withdrew from Maryland in late December nineteen eighty six.

909
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 9: Derek Lewis was a sophomore on the team when Bias died.

910
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 10: He doesn't.

911
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: He doesn't talk about it at all. Every once in

912
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: a while, yeah, he'll call and say happy birthday, but

913
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He doesn't discuss it at all. I think

914
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: because he was in the room and people have so

915
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: many questions as what does Havy have.

916
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 9: But during a brief phone call in the spring of

917
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 9: twenty eleven, Long was asked to talk about how bias

918
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 9: His death has affected his life. He responded politely and calmly,

919
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 9: saying I'm not interested. In subsequent calls, he provided only

920
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 9: brief background information. Long has not talked publicly about the

921
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 9: death of Bias. He is the only one who was

922
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 9: with Bias when he passed out, who has not done so.

923
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 9: A few years ago, Long, in a phone call, agreed

924
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 9: to an interview, but it has not yet been secured.

925
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 9: He has not returned multiple follow up phone messages and

926
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 9: text messages. Long returned to the Maryland campus for the

927
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 9: first time when the school's athletic department honored their coach

928
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 9: left in Brazil at a Maryland basketball game against North

929
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 9: Carolina State in two thousand and three. Here's Jeff Baxter,

930
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 9: a senior on the team in nineteen eighty six.

931
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: I think Terry's deeply about I have not bought that

932
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: because I think it's it's a time and place for everything. Well,

933
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: I think he's very stand office. Yeah, I think that's

934
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: the biggest piece. I think he's hurt heart. I think

935
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: I think I think Terry Terry.

936
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 10: Phils that this is his I will I will. I

937
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 10: think I think he will put that type of pressure

938
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 10: on himself.

939
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 9: Speedy Jones says Long broke down and quote told him

940
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 9: everything end quote about how Bias died, but Jones did

941
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 9: not provide details. He says that every time he talks

942
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 9: too long about Bias, he can still see the pain

943
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 9: in Long's eyes. Keith Gatlin, who entered Maryland the same

944
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 9: year as Long, talks with him occasionally and visits him

945
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 9: in Baltimore. He wishes Long would talk. Gatlin told me

946
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 9: it would be therapeutic for Terry, and the perception of

947
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 9: Terry that he was a bad guy. We're not a

948
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 9: good kid is something that is really not true. More

949
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 9: than any other member of Maryland's nineteen eighty five eighty sixteen,

950
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 9: David Greg lives in the large and looming shadow of

951
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 9: Len Bias. As a player at Maryland, Greg was six

952
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 9: feet nine inches tall and just under two hundred pounds.

953
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 9: Greg could have passed as Bias's brother. In fact, they

954
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 9: jokingly referred to each other as cousins. Like Bias, he

955
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 9: was born in Washington, d c. Like Bias, Greg seemed

956
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 9: to share an endearing personality. Like Bias, Greg played for

957
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 9: the same coach, Bob Wagner, at the same high school, Northwestern.

958
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 9: At Northwestern, Greg was MacDonald's All America, something Bias did

959
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 9: not achieve. Like Bias, Greg was very familiar with Maryland basketball.

960
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 10: While in high school.

961
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 9: Greg was one of three people with Bias when he

962
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 9: had the heart attack that led to his death. Mike

963
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 9: Marrison has known Greg since the third grade and was

964
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 9: a high school teammate.

965
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 25: So all the home games we had tickets on Press Road,

966
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 25: so me and mister Wagner and Dave would go to

967
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 25: all the games. We were We were at the game

968
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 25: when Michael Jordan did the Rock the Cradle dumb. We

969
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 25: were sitting on the baseline. We were talking in before

970
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 25: and after game. So Lynn would come back to the

971
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 25: gym some days before games and shooting our gym. So

972
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 25: we were constantly in contact with him. We will constantly

973
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 25: see him, so you know, you know, David was excited

974
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 25: about going to Maryland. He was working real hard to

975
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 25: wait room with mister Wagner and Lynn's.

976
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 9: Charles Payne met Greg when both were eleven years old

977
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 9: and also played high school basketball with Greg. He says

978
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 9: Greg came out of a shell at Maryland.

979
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 6: But he was always the quiet one, you know, he

980
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 6: just kind of followed our lead, you know, and you know,

981
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 6: a great, great guy. Everybody loved to be around him.

982
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 6: But he loved to laugh and have fun and have

983
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 6: a good time.

984
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 9: At Maryland. The good time seemed to continue after Greg

985
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 9: settled in. Greg admitted in him Miami Herald report in

986
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 9: nineteen eighty eight that he stopped going to classes during

987
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 9: the second semester of his freshman year. He chose instead

988
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 9: to quote date girls, talk to friends, just hang out

989
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 9: close quote. Maryland teammate Terry Long said in court testimony

990
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 9: that he snorted cocaine with Greg and Bias at Brian

991
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 9: Tribble's apartment. It was after a game against NC State

992
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 9: in College Park on January twenty three, nineteen eighty six.

993
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 9: Greg was in his dorm room talking on the phone

994
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 9: when Bias knocked on his door in the early morning

995
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 9: hours of June nineteenth, nineteen eighty six. Bias wanted Greg

996
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 9: to help celebrate the start of his new career with

997
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 9: the Celtics. After they started consuming cocaine, Greg became concerned

998
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 9: that Bias was snorting too much of it, but he

999
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 9: did not know how to tell Bias to stop. Payne

1000
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 9: remembers getting a call later that morning that woke him up, and.

1001
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 7: It was Dave and he was just telling me. He

1002
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 7: was like, hey, man, I need you to come get me.

1003
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 7: I could immediately I could tell something was wrong. And

1004
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 7: I said, what do you mean you need me to

1005
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 7: come and get you. He goes, I just need you

1006
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 7: to come get me. I said, well, what's going on?

1007
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 7: And then he tells me, he goes, man, let me

1008
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 7: just die.

1009
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 10: I said what.

1010
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 6: He goes, Yeah, he just he just died.

1011
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 7: I said, how, I said, you know what, wait until

1012
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 7: I get there. And so he gets in my car

1013
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 7: and he explains to me, you know, what had happened.

1014
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 16: And so.

1015
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: I'm shocked.

1016
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 7: I'm trying to deal with that news myself, but at

1017
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 7: the same time, I'm trying to be there for him.

1018
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 9: Payne gave Gregor ride to the house of coach Lefty forsell.

1019
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 7: You know, Lefty let me in just like I was

1020
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 7: a part of the team, and so we were just

1021
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 7: sitting there and you know, Lefty came in and he

1022
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 7: started talking. He started talking to the team and telling

1023
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 7: them about you know how you know tragic this is.

1024
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 6: But you know Lynn was ready. You know, Lynn was

1025
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 6: a good, good guy.

1026
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 7: He's a Christian, He's he's okay, and you know, we

1027
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 7: know that this is going This is is very shocking

1028
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 7: and hard to deal with.

1029
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 10: You know, We're going to have people for you guys

1030
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 10: to talk to if you need it.

1031
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 7: Just going kind of back and forth because you know,

1032
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 7: At this point, Lefty doesn't know the story.

1033
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 6: He doesn't really know what's happened himself.

1034
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 9: Payne then took Greg to his mother's house.

1035
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 7: The next couple of days really just got crazy when

1036
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you know, criminal charges are going

1037
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 7: to be brought against him and everybody in the room,

1038
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 7: and then death threats. But clearly they got David and

1039
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 7: Terry Long out of town. I can't remember how long

1040
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 7: it was, but I know they left town for a while.

1041
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 9: Greg and Long later went to the house owned by

1042
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 9: Bob Wagner, Greg's high school coach.

1043
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 26: Well, Lufty, you know, can can David and Terry stay

1044
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 26: there until their parents could get with their.

1045
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 10: Attorneys to get record? Can they stay where my house? Okay?

1046
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 10: So they stayed upstairs.

1047
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 6: I had a little upstairs that I often had rented.

1048
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: One to make extra money to pay my pills.

1049
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 10: Again, and then I had to go someplace.

1050
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 26: When I came back, day were gone there they'd gotten

1051
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 26: their attorneys.

1052
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 9: Greg spent the next two weeks at his mother's house.

1053
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 9: He stayed mostly to himself. A grand jury indicted Greg

1054
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 9: for possession of cocaine an obstruction of justice related to

1055
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 9: the death of bias. The charges were dropped in exchange

1056
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 9: for testifying against Brian Tribble at Tribble's trial. Greg was

1057
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 9: suspended from the Maryland team for the next season, but

1058
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 9: he continued to attend classes and played in occasional pickup games.

1059
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 9: In early July nineteen eighty seven, Greg announced that he

1060
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 9: would transfer from Maryland. Said Greg at the time, quote,

1061
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 9: it's been very tough. Wherever I go, people point and say, oh,

1062
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 9: there goes David Greg. I've been getting more attention for

1063
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 9: this than I did for my basketball close quote. Greg

1064
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 9: wasn't sure what to do next. Payne was starting his

1065
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 9: junior year as a player at Florida International University and

1066
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 9: had an idea.

1067
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 6: So the next move was what you know, what are

1068
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 6: you going to do?

1069
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 7: Where do you want to go? My coach was like, hey,

1070
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 7: do you think he would like to come here? You know,

1071
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 7: get him away from that area. You know, we're in

1072
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 7: an up and coming program. You know, it won't be

1073
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 7: as many people going after him, So you know, I

1074
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 7: reached out to Dave and.

1075
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 6: He was interested.

1076
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 9: Rick Walker was the coach of Florida International at the time.

1077
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 27: I had seen David play on television and he reminded

1078
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 27: me of a young Sam Perkins.

1079
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 10: David was the top of the line.

1080
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 27: We were still an independent at that time, so we

1081
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 27: had just this would have been our first or second

1082
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 27: year in Division one. But this gave us a credibility

1083
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 27: in terms of recruiting, in terms of having a bigger.

1084
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 9: But it seemed like a good opportunity for Greg. A

1085
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 9: Miami Herald story in June nineteen eighty eight tauted Greg's

1086
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 9: pending arrival at FIU. It all goes well at RED,

1087
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 9: he could be the player who lifts the program to respectability.

1088
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 9: But all did not go as well as hoped. First,

1089
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 9: Greg had to wait to play for FFIU. He was

1090
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 9: academically ineligible, so he took classes at Miami Dade Junior

1091
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 9: College and FIU throughout that first year.

1092
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 7: And so David didn't want to use any of his

1093
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 7: eligibility in his basket, so he was just going to

1094
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 7: go there to get his school work so he could

1095
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 7: transfer into FIU full time.

1096
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 10: So what he did was he was a full time

1097
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 10: student at.

1098
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 7: Daye North and he took like two classes at FIU

1099
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 7: so he could live on campus at FIU.

1100
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 6: So the basketball coach at Dayton North wanted him to,

1101
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 6: you know, play, and Dave was.

1102
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 10: Like, now, I'm not going to play.

1103
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 6: I'm just going to focus on my academics. And he did,

1104
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 6: and he did.

1105
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 9: Well, and Greg joined the FIU team in the fall

1106
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 9: of nineteen eighty eight. His start with the team lacked inspiration,

1107
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 9: says Walker, than the FIU coach.

1108
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 27: The reality was, there was not that fire that was

1109
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 27: there that I thought might have been there.

1110
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 10: Prior to this.

1111
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 5: So I thought he was lacking a little.

1112
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 10: Bit of self motivation.

1113
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 27: You know, if we were talking of fire from one

1114
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 27: to ten, his was about a sixth.

1115
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 9: Greg then found a spark in late December nineteen eighty eight.

1116
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 9: In his third game for FIU, he scored eighteen points

1117
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 9: and grabbed eleven rebounds and a home loss to Radford

1118
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 9: in front of only four hundred and seventy six spectators.

1119
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 9: He appeared to enjoy playing the game more than he

1120
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 9: ever had in his life.

1121
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 6: We're in school, We're just having a good time. He

1122
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 6: had some really good games.

1123
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 10: I mean he was playing.

1124
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 6: I mean, it was it was fun. I mean, I

1125
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 6: think for the first time in while, you know that

1126
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 6: he was starting to feel like his true self.

1127
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 9: Through early February, Greg played twelve games for FIU, averaging

1128
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 9: sixteen point seven points and seven point eight rebounds, but

1129
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 9: that momentum stopped suddenly on February seven, nineteen eighty nine.

1130
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 9: That's when FIU placed Greg on indefinite academic suspension. An

1131
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 9: official at Miami Dade had claimed Greg did not earn

1132
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 9: what was described as appropriate credits in three classes at

1133
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 9: the school. Charles Payne explains what happened.

1134
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 7: So, in the spring semester Dave had to take there

1135
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 7: were he needed two classes, right, so I think one

1136
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 7: class ended, one class ended at twelve forty. Let's say

1137
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 7: it started ended at twelve forty, but one of the

1138
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 7: classes began at twelve fifteen, so they overlapped. So he

1139
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 7: had to give special permission to take those classes. He

1140
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 7: registered for those classes. They knew of the overlap, they

1141
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 7: were fine with it. He did all of He did

1142
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 7: all the work for those classes when he finished, and

1143
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 7: he got his degree and he transferred over to FIU,

1144
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 7: all of that.

1145
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 6: But the head coach went back, looked at his.

1146
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 7: Schedule, saw that he took those two classes, and then

1147
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 7: he brought it to the attention of you know, Day North,

1148
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 7: to some other you know I guess I don't know

1149
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 7: who wouldn't.

1150
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 6: Step up and say, hey, we approved this, we let

1151
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 6: the guy do it.

1152
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 7: But once that coach exposed it, then what they did

1153
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 7: was they took those two classes away from me. I

1154
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 7: just think that he didn't like the fact that he

1155
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 7: didn't play for him and that he went to FIU.

1156
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 9: Greg had an option to keep playing at FIU, but

1157
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 9: he needed to set out the rest of the year

1158
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 9: and take the classes in question again at Miami Dade

1159
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 9: before he could return. FIU coach Rick Walker was devastated.

1160
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 27: I'm like, what, I know, I had to set the

1161
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 27: team down, but I had to tell everybody and they

1162
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 27: had to rule him ineligible. He was disappointed, the kids

1163
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 27: were disappointed. I mean, it was like, or here we

1164
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 27: go again, something else negative.

1165
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 6: And I tried my.

1166
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 7: Best to like get to him and just say, hey, look, man,

1167
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 7: I know that's disappointing. I know it's not fair, and

1168
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 7: I know you did the work, but just do it again,

1169
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 7: because I didn't because I knew if he didn't do

1170
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 7: that that he would go home and just not play

1171
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 7: anymore and not go to school anymore. But I just

1172
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 7: I just didn't want to see him you know, give

1173
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 7: in to, you know, the bad actions of adults.

1174
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 9: Greg would have none of it. He left for home

1175
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 9: two days later, disgruntled and disheartened. His family could not

1176
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 9: afford to pay for him to take the classes again.

1177
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 7: At this point, you know, you're thinking, how much more,

1178
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 7: you know can one person endure?

1179
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 9: Greg since then has endured more challenges. Court record show

1180
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 9: that he was charged with driving under the influence of

1181
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 9: alcohol in September twenty ten, and in two thousand and eight,

1182
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 9: he lost his nine year old son to brain cancer.

1183
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 25: His death and Len's death are the only two times

1184
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 25: I've ever seen that man cry.

1185
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 9: Greg has attended Maryland basketball games, but he appears to

1186
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 9: have kept a low profile among his Maryland teammates over

1187
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 9: the last thirty five years. Neither Jeff Baxter nor Derrek Lewis,

1188
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 9: who both live in the Washington, DC area, knew how

1189
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 9: to contact Greg or where he was living. Speedy Jones

1190
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 9: has tried to counsel Greg. Jones would not elaborate on

1191
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 9: Greg's issues. Jones told me he's dealing with some personal

1192
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 9: issues as a result of Len's death. I don't know

1193
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 9: that he's ever sought help to deal with it. I

1194
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 9: think he needs to. I told him he needs to.

1195
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 9: Here's Bob Wagner, the high school coach for both Greg

1196
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 9: and Bias.

1197
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 10: I don't know if Dad's ever been the same.

1198
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 26: David was not a strong psychological person to begin I

1199
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 26: didn't want him to go to Maryland because.

1200
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 10: I didn't want to be with Lennard.

1201
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 28: Lefty Drizzel came to Maryland in nineteen sixty nine. He

1202
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 28: turned a team that had a pension for losing and

1203
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 28: made them a national power where they were always winning.

1204
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 23: Marylynd He had nothing for Why gouttie, I'm called absolutely nothing.

1205
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 9: That's a clip from a video about former Maryland head

1206
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 9: coach left To Drizzel, produced by a Washington, DC area

1207
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 9: television news station in nineteen eighty six. Perhaps it's a

1208
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 9: bit of hyperbole to say Maryland basketball had nothing before

1209
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 9: Drizzel became the school's basketball coach, but there was not

1210
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 9: a whole lot to brag about. Maryland had only four

1211
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 9: winning seasons in the nineteen sixties, along with no national rankings.

1212
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 9: By the early nineteen eighties, Drizzel had built a well

1213
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 9: deserved reputation as a pioneer and a pretty good self

1214
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 9: promoter among college basketball coaches.

1215
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 28: One of the winningest coaches in ACC and NCAA history

1216
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 28: is our next legend from Maryland, with seven hundred and

1217
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 28: eighty six career wins. Arriving in College Park in nineteen seventy,

1218
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 28: he built the Terrapins into a national power and twice

1219
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 28: was named ACC Coach of the Year. His nineteen seventy

1220
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 28: four Terrapins played NC State in the ACC Championship Game,

1221
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 28: which even today many consider the greatest game in conference history.

1222
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 9: That clip came from an Atlantic Coast Conference Legends brunch

1223
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 9: in two thousand and eight. In another video released shortly

1224
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 9: after he resigned as Maryland's coach, in nineteen eighty six,

1225
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 9: a local television network aired a tribute to Drasel. It

1226
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 9: featured a typical confident comment from the coach.

1227
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 23: I would like to brag. See that's why y'all don't

1228
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 23: think I can coach. But I'm bragging today, Okay, because

1229
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 23: I don't like to talk about what i'd doing, what

1230
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 23: I don't do. But don't ever say that I can't coach.

1231
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 23: I may not be a good speaker, I may not

1232
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 23: be intelligent as some of these other coaches.

1233
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 10: I may not throw you a whole lot of x

1234
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 10: is and oh crap, but I can coach. We were

1235
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 10: in the top ten my whole career.

1236
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 17: How many Maryland teams are in the final top ten?

1237
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 9: That was Tom McMillan, a three time All American at

1238
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 9: Maryland in the early nineteen seventies, And the answer, only

1239
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 9: five teams that did not include McMillan have finished in

1240
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 9: the top ten in the final Associated Press national poll.

1241
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 9: Over the course of some seventy years after Lembias died,

1242
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 9: the perception of Drizzel had changed dramatically. In the mind

1243
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 9: of his critics, Drizzel had morphed into a coach who

1244
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 9: was at worst indifferent to the academic needs of his

1245
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 9: players and at best blind to their off court mishaps.

1246
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 9: This all made Drizl a prime target of blame for

1247
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 9: the death of Bias. Russ Potts is a Maryland graduate

1248
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 9: from the nineteen sixties. He was also the first marketing

1249
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 9: director for Maryland's athletic department. Potts took that position one

1250
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 9: year after Drizzel started at Maryland.

1251
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 8: Whenever you have a tragedy, whether it's Pearl Harbor or

1252
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 8: nine to eleven or whatever, you're going to always have

1253
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 8: a fall guy. And so they tried to make the

1254
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 8: Lefty the fall guy. Well what poor Lefty had no

1255
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 8: more to do with that than you or I did, unfortunately, and.

1256
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 9: He was in the wrong place at the wrong.

1257
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 8: Time, and it was a tragic happening that still to

1258
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 8: this day affects the University of Maryland.

1259
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 9: Here's McMillan.

1260
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 17: It really bothers Lefty that his tenure at Maryland ended

1261
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 17: this way. It was really it was very tragic for

1262
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 17: him because he did so much for Maryland and then

1263
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 17: they have this one incident, which was a terrible mistake.

1264
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,480
Speaker 9: That mistake, Len Bias abusing cocaine and then dying transformed

1265
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 9: Drizzel from a Maryland basketball icon to a maligned and

1266
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 9: minimized figure. By those who struggled to understand the death

1267
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 9: of Bias, it was a situation few could foresee at

1268
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 9: the start of Drizzel's Maryland career.

1269
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 14: Nudged mister Child.

1270
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 9: By the early nineteen seventies, sell out crowds with a

1271
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 9: norm at Maryland's home arena, cole Fieldhouse. Some fourteen thousand

1272
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 9: fans wanted to watch a trio of eventual All Americans

1273
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 9: as well as impact players in the NBA McMillan, Len Elmore,

1274
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 9: and John Lucas. Early in his career, Drizzell boldly promised

1275
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 9: to turn Maryland into the UCLA of the East. If

1276
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 9: not for two teams, he just might have done so.

1277
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 9: One was the real UCLA, which continued to dominate college basketball.

1278
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,440
Speaker 9: The other was North Carolina State, which interrupted UCLA's championship

1279
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 9: run in nineteen seventy four, but the Terps were still

1280
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 9: among the best teams in the country. In four different

1281
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 9: regular seasons between nineteen seventy and nineteen eighty, Drizzell's team

1282
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 9: reached number two in the rankings. Four times they finished

1283
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 9: in the top ten. In his seventeen years as Maryland's

1284
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 9: head coach, Drizzel won only one ACC Tournament title, and

1285
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 9: it was with Bias. In nineteen eighty four, Bias, then

1286
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,919
Speaker 9: a sophomore, won the tournament's MVP Award. Bias praised Bdrizel's

1287
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 9: influence on him in a nineteen eighty six Maryland basketball

1288
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 9: recruiting video.

1289
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 29: He told me the things that I could do, and

1290
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 29: he put a lot of faith in me and told

1291
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 29: me that I will be able to score and I

1292
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 29: will be able to rebound.

1293
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 11: Now I can do it.

1294
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 29: And when you got a coach that puts confidence and

1295
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 29: faith in you like that, you can't go out but play.

1296
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 9: Here's Drizzell in that same recruiting video.

1297
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 23: Of course, having let Ad Biased being the player of

1298
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 23: the year in the ACC and make first Team All ACC,

1299
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 23: First Team of AP and first Team UP is all American.

1300
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 23: You know, you know, in my opinion, he was probably

1301
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 23: player of the year in the country.

1302
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 9: Criticism towards Drizzel replaced praise for him after the death

1303
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 9: of Bias. Some of it came from the Bias family.

1304
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 9: Bob Wagner, Len's high school coach and a friend of Grizel,

1305
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 9: remembers a moment of hostility from Len's father. It was

1306
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 9: at Bias's wake. Once there, Drizzl and Wagner walked over

1307
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 9: to James Bias to offer condolences.

1308
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 26: At the wake, I wrote down with Lefty because we

1309
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 26: didn't know where we were going. We come into the

1310
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 26: church and I know mister Bias was still hurt and upset.

1311
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 26: But Lefty walks over to give his condolences and mister

1312
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 26: Bias says something like the Lefty like, you stay away

1313
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 26: from me.

1314
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 9: You killed myself. Media reports claimed instructed a coach to

1315
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 9: clean the room in which Bias died before police arrived.

1316
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 9: Dresel admitted that he instructed the coach to clean the room,

1317
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 9: but the coach, Oliver Parnell, did not do so, in

1318
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 9: part due to a police presence. Assistant coach Jeff Atkins

1319
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 9: went to the room with Parnell. Atkins told me that

1320
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 9: when they reached the Washington Hall dorm, where Bias's suite

1321
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 9: was located, police would not let them pass a secured area.

1322
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 9: Trozzelle is not charged with a crime. During this time,

1323
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 9: Drizell indicated he would not back down from the challenges

1324
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 9: facing him.

1325
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 5: If you know me, I do the best when my

1326
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 5: back's up against the wall, right. I like for people

1327
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 5: get me in a corner and get me around the neck.

1328
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 10: Then I like to get out of there.

1329
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 9: But the forces against Rizel grew too strong. Chancellor John

1330
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 9: Slaughter felt that Drizzel had not provided the leadership needed

1331
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 9: At the time he removed Brizel's coach. Slaughter told me

1332
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 9: my conclusion was we were not going to turn that

1333
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 9: around unless the change was made. I could come up

1334
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 9: with a whole lot of reasons, but I consider that

1335
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 9: a closed chapter. I don't want to open it anymore.

1336
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 9: I like Lefty a great deal. I'm not sure it's reciprocated.

1337
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 9: When asked about his feelings towards Slaughter, Driselle told me,

1338
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 9: no comment. I have a lot of feelings about Slaughter,

1339
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 9: but I'd rather not say. Mally Glassman was a reporter

1340
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 9: for the Baltimore Sun covering Maryland basketball at the time.

1341
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 30: He was a chancellor who was very concerned about the

1342
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 30: reputation of himself and the school, and the reputation was

1343
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 30: in tatters, as you say, academically when the revelations came

1344
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 30: out that these kids weren't going to class. And this

1345
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 30: wasn't the first year that this had happened, that there

1346
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 30: was a history of lefties players not staying in school,

1347
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 30: not graduating. But Lefty he wouldn't have gone. He wouldn't

1348
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 30: have left of his own accord, and he fought it

1349
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 30: till the end.

1350
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 9: Trizell claims he was asked to remain as coach for

1351
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 9: one more year and then resigned with nine years left

1352
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 9: on us contract. Drissell told me, my lawyer said, we

1353
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 9: can fight this thing and you can keep your job,

1354
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 9: but I'd be working for free because his fees would

1355
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 9: be so big. I said, let's settle. It was a

1356
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 9: great seventeen years at Maryland, except for my last year.

1357
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 9: Trizell's lawyer was famed Washington defense attorney Edward Bennett. Williams

1358
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 9: Russ Potts, Maryland's first marketing manager, was a good friend

1359
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 9: of Durzel. He reached out to Williams after it became

1360
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 9: a parent that Brazil's future employment at Maryland was in jeopardy.

1361
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 8: I called ed Williams and I asked ed Williams if

1362
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 8: he would represent Lefty in this terrible mess at Maryland.

1363
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,959
Speaker 8: And I pleaded with him. I said, please please represent

1364
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 8: him because he has no idea in what's going to happen.

1365
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 8: Get Lefty to call me tonight. And so I said,

1366
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 8: you need to call in Williams at home tonight, and

1367
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 8: he did. But he said, Lefty effective immediately this very second.

1368
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 8: If you say one word about this case, if you

1369
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 8: so much as say a comma or a sema Colman,

1370
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 8: I will not represent you affective Immediately you shut up.

1371
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 6: I do all the talking.

1372
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 8: That was a hell of a challenge for Lefty because

1373
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 8: getting Lefty to shut up was not easy, and they

1374
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 8: had a meeting with Williams and the President and the

1375
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 8: Universe Attorney.

1376
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 9: Drizzell resigned on October twenty nine, nineteen eighty six, and

1377
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 9: received a comfortable settlement. He was paid one hundred and

1378
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 9: twenty thousand dollars a year for nine years, the remainder

1379
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 9: of his tenure coaching contract, and he could continue his

1380
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 9: basketball camps at the school for the same length of time.

1381
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 9: Drazell collected the full salary even after he left. As

1382
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 9: Pots recalls, Williams took a hard stance with Maryland while

1383
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 9: representing Brazell. He recounts the following story from a conversation

1384
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 9: he had with Williams shortly after the meeting.

1385
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 29: And.

1386
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 8: The Maryland attorney arrogantly walked into room and he laid

1387
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 8: a contract on the desk.

1388
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 10: Left.

1389
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 8: He had eight and a half years left on his contract,

1390
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 8: and Maryland offered him a year and a half. They

1391
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 8: laid that on the table and ed Williams looked at it.

1392
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 8: He jumped up and grabbed the contract. He tore it

1393
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 8: to shreds in front of me. He said, I'll see

1394
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 8: you in hell. Before we'd ever signed this. You want

1395
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 8: to go to war, We'll go to war. The next day,

1396
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 8: the next day, they called Williams and gave lasty All

1397
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 8: eight and a half years.

1398
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 9: Brazila added more context to the negotiation on a phone

1399
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 9: call in the summer of twenty twenty, so Slaughter called

1400
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 9: back tomorrow.

1401
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 23: He said, your contract is good.

1402
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 5: We've got to pay left before it nine years and he.

1403
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 6: Can stay here as an athletic.

1404
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 5: Director for two years and he will get the same.

1405
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 22: Salary he will be making as.

1406
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 12: The head coach.

1407
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 5: He can also have his basketball camp and used the

1408
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 5: dorms free and the Jim free.

1409
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 29: And that was the deed.

1410
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 5: Williams said, look, you can take that if you want to.

1411
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 6: You ain't got to work for seven more years, and

1412
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 6: or can go eight and coach.

1413
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 23: Take the deal.

1414
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 28: He's off on you and forget it.

1415
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 9: Forget coaching.

1416
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 6: That's what I did.

1417
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 9: As part of the deal, Drizzel transitioned to an assistant

1418
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 9: athletic director who oversaw the department sports information and marketing departments.

1419
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 9: He also helped manage the Maryland Educational Foundation, which raised

1420
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 9: money for scholarships and other department needs. When asked in

1421
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 9: twenty ten what the athletic department wanted him to do

1422
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 9: in his new role, Drazzel paused for a couple moments, laughed,

1423
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:42,440
Speaker 9: and then said, quote hide end quote. Part of Drizzel's

1424
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 9: job was to convince the elderly to place their life

1425
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 9: insurance policy in their will and make the athletic department

1426
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 9: the beneficiary when they died. Drissel told me I was

1427
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 9: getting ready to do that, but never got that much involved.

1428
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 9: When I took the job. Then athletic director louke and said,

1429
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 9: just come on over when you want and do what

1430
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 9: you want. Trazelle left Maryland in nineteen eighty eight to

1431
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 9: become head coach at James Madison University. In nineteen ninety four,

1432
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 9: he became the head coach at Georgia State, where he

1433
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 9: stayed through two thousand and three. Trizell retired with the

1434
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 9: fourth most wins in Division one history, with seven hundred

1435
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 9: and eighty six. In the summer of two thousand and two,

1436
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 9: Drizzell returned to Maryland's campus for the first time since

1437
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 9: taking the job at James Madison. He attended his induction

1438
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 9: ceremony into Maryland's Athletics Hall of Fame.

1439
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 31: For his accomplishments during his coaching career. At his successful

1440
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 31: tenure at the University of Maryland coach Charles Lefty Drizzl

1441
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 31: is tonight being inducted into the University of Maryland Athletic

1442
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 31: Hall of Fame.

1443
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 9: Trizell returned the next winter when the Terrapins honored his

1444
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 9: retirement from coaching during halftime i'm of a game against

1445
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 9: Encia State at the Comcast Center, Maryland's new basketball arena.

1446
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 9: Drizzel stopped by Maryland's arena again in twenty seventeen for

1447
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 9: another special ceremony Brazil. The crowd was loud as Drizzel

1448
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 9: flashed the familiar victory sign with his right hand pointing

1449
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 9: to the rafters. It must have felt as if he

1450
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 9: were back in Colefieldhouse, in the building where he helped

1451
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 9: develop Maryland basketball into a nationally respected program, ready to

1452
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 9: lead his Maryland team to another of its many victories.

1453
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 9: John Lucas played for Drizzel from nineteen seventy two to

1454
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 9: nineteen seventy six. He departed Maryland as a three time

1455
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 9: All America and was the top pick in the nineteen

1456
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:02,879
Speaker 9: seventy six NBA draft. He offered perhaps the most balanced

1457
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 9: assessment of Drizzel's personality, which endeared many and irritated others

1458
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 9: At Maryland. Lucas told me coach was genuine to a fault.

1459
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 9: What you saw was what you got. He doesn't have

1460
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 9: any gray areas.

1461
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 4: Presenting Lefty for enshrinement or Mike Krzewsky, George Raveling, John Thompson,

1462
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, Charles Lefty Drizzl.

1463
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 9: In twenty eighteen, at the age of eighty six, Drazzell

1464
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 9: received the highest honor for a basketball coach, induction into

1465
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 9: the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

1466
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 32: I'm so happy to be here. This is probably one

1467
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 32: of the happiest days in my wife, my life and

1468
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 32: my wife whatever. And look, is anybody in here eighty

1469
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 32: six years old? Raise your hand, will you?

1470
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 29: So?

1471
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 5: So if I screw up? So look if I if

1472
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 5: I screw up, wait till you get eighty six.

1473
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 12: I made the statement, then we're gonna be the UCLA

1474
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 12: at the East again. I was kind of drunk or

1475
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 12: someone I said that. And so I've been.

1476
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 5: Lucky to be able to coach, and to be able

1477
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: to coach and recruit.

1478
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 12: At four great at two great high schools and four

1479
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 12: Division one universities.

1480
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 9: I had a conversation with Drizzla in the summer of

1481
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 9: twenty twenty. He was typical lefty, engaging, curious, and combative,

1482
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 9: and he expressed some frustration when the topic of Bias

1483
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 9: came up.

1484
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 12: Do you think I see anything to do with the

1485
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 12: about your death?

1486
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 31: You know, if you look back at the record, what

1487
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 31: was Maryland in basketball before I got there?

1488
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 9: About Trail finds comfort in his story he has told

1489
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 9: about Bias. During the early summer of twenty ten, a

1490
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 9: man approached him as they walked out of church near

1491
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 9: Drizzel's home in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The man explained that

1492
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 9: shortly before Bias's death, he had reached a personal love,

1493
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 9: losing his job and his family due to a cocaine addiction.

1494
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 9: When friends told the man that Bias had died, he

1495
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 9: immediately stopped abusing cocaine. The man told Grisel that Bias

1496
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 9: was one of his favorite players and that Bias saved

1497
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 9: his life. I bet several people tell me that they've

1498
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 9: never used drugs.

1499
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 12: They've plied that.

1500
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,959
Speaker 9: At a press conference shortly after Bias died, Drizzel expressed

1501
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 9: a connection between the two of them, a connection that

1502
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 9: he feels is eternal.

1503
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 23: As my wife said, He's in a better position right

1504
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 23: now than we are. He's at home with the Lord,

1505
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 23: and I really sincerely believe bad. I mean, I'm sad,

1506
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 23: but I'm not even worried because I know where Leonard is.

1507
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 15: I know he's in heaven, and I've been missing him,

1508
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 15: and I don't everybody else here will tell me. I

1509
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 15: really can't say a whole lot more to I love you, Leonard,

1510
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 15: and I mission I'll see you Evan one day.

1511
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Next on Lemby some mixed legacy how the death of

1512
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Lemby some packet.

1513
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 10: His family memories.

1514
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 6: Remember me, I hope they.

1515
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 13: Always wanted to be like the older guys, and you

1516
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 13: always say, man, I want I want to do what

1517
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 13: they doing, you know, I want to be there in

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Speaker 13: that spot.

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Speaker 10: So they was like a big brother to us.

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Speaker 26: Jay had more, much more skill than Leonard did skill

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Speaker 26: wise as a basketball player.

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Speaker 5: It would have been so sick.

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Speaker 2: When I turned around, Jay was laying down and I

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Speaker 2: seen the crowd to see me coming on the court.

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Speaker 10: You know, the fight broke out.

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Speaker 13: I thought it was no doubt that he was a

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Speaker 13: Division one, you know, basketball player.

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Speaker 10: He could do anything on the court.

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Speaker 7: He warned, I just hope that I leave to Sam

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Speaker 7: and Hen and everything I do from now on this

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Speaker 7: dedicator for my brother.

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Speaker 29: I was not prepared for the loss of j and

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Speaker 29: nothing that I deal with with Lynn helped me through

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Speaker 29: the day.

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Speaker 1: This podcast series is based on the book Born Ready

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Speaker 10: Go Grady Media.

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Speaker 1: The series is produced by Go Grady Media in partnership

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Speaker 1: and Don Marcus. It was written by Dave Grady and

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Speaker 1: edited by Don Marcus. The narrator was Dave Ungrady, with

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Speaker 1: additional narration by Jamal Williams. Technical production was provided by

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