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Speaker 1: See football. The football fit was always my sanctuary. You know,

423
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Speaker 1: whether growing up in Pittsburgh, and you know, we're talking

424
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: about the poorest county in all of Pennsylvania, and whether

425
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: it's there or high school, college beat within, but in

426
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: the family didn't matter when I step on that practice field,

427
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: but I step on that field game for game time,

428
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: that's it. That's my sanctuary, that's my escape. And there

429
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: was one practice coach, Tony Sperano was the coach. I

430
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: went out there and we you know, the family was

431
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: just just dysfunctional, was terrible, all that pressure on me

432
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: and I go out there and I dropped one ball.

433
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm gonna shake it off.

434
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: I dropped two balls. I did not drop the third ball.

435
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Then I dropped the fourth ball. And that was the

436
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: first time on the field that I could, you know,

437
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: connect my performance, you know, my my like my mishaps

438
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: with something that was happening off the field. And I

439
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: was like, holy sh it, like something's wrong now. All

440
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: the stuff that then the ESPN Brandon Marshall getting arrested,

441
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff that wasn't it. It was literally me

442
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: not being able to do my job on the field

443
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: was like something was wrong. So I'm like, damn, I

444
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: need help. Like this is the first time ever that

445
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't produce or get over something on the field.

446
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 1: And I'm like it all goes back to what's happening

447
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: off the field. So I called that same doctor that

448
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: Ricky saw and helped Ricky, and I said, Dr Gunnerson,

449
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: I need help. And so that's how I ended up

450
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: at McClain hospital. And so I got out there and

451
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: we went through a clinical evaluation or logical evaluation. It

452
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: diagnosed me with borderline personality disorder. The best way to

453
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: describe that as an emotional disorder, being able to self regulate.

454
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, like I feel something, can I bring it

455
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: back down the baseline? What I feel is valid? But

456
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: can do I have the skills and tools to self

457
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: regulate my emotions? The answer was no. So that's where

458
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: self assessment, dialectical behavior therapy, calling the behavior therapy, and

459
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: all those other things came into play. Right. So I

460
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: sat there for three months, you know, really working on

461
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: those things, and that's when I realized that, you know,

462
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: like I wasn't here to play football. So um, that's

463
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: when when life for me drastically changed. So doing this interview,

464
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: in my mind, I remember thinking, and I had this

465
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: conversation yesterday. I'm like, I'm I'm interview breading tomorrow. I

466
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: have a couple of questions that I want to ask him.

467
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure that I pose these questions correctly

468
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: because I don't wan him to catch me. I'll go

469
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Speaker 1: off of me because I feel like he has that

470
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: ability in him. I do correct, No, but listen, this

471
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: is how I would do it. Though. See if you

472
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: say something crazy right now, like I ain't gonna do.

473
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: I won't even say anything crazy. But if I asked

474
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Speaker 1: you another I know but I ain't gonna do a

475
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Speaker 1: Will Smith. What like Will Smith? He was out of character,

476
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: a character. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm gonna do

477
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: is I'm like, hey, I'm sorry, the interview is over

478
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: in the wild. You're gonna do You're gonna do the

479
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Speaker 1: You're gonna do the mail Gibson, Nope, nope, nope, no answer,

480
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Speaker 1: no answer. But but when I said to you earlier,

481
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: I said, you were kind of a little sensitive about

482
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Speaker 1: something you thought I said, And I didn't you like

483
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: you call me sensitive? And I was like, well, aren't

484
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: we all hown't we all? Aren't we all? It's not

485
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: a disrespectful thing. And in my mind I was like,

486
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Speaker 1: oh boy, he think I'm calling him a name. This

487
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: might go left, But I still stayed with it because

488
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not a bad thing. Sensitivity gets a

489
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: bad rap, selfishness gets a bad rap. All the things

490
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: that make you able to do what you do day

491
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: in and day out get a bad rap. And I

492
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: embrace that. Ship. Hell yeah, I'm sensitive. I'm on TV

493
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: every days is talking shit and it does bother me.

494
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: But I know, at the end of the day, I

495
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: am who I am. But I do get sensitive. If

496
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: you tell me I'm stupid or I don't know what

497
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, or I am cute no more, I'm

498
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: we're fine, you know, or whatever. I don't know what

499
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: my point is that whatever it is that triggers me

500
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: or hits me, I react. But I do self regulate

501
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: and I do understand what you're saying now, So I

502
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: want to stay with self regulation. How long does it

503
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: take you to learn that? And I'm pretty sure it's

504
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: it's you're not done learning that, But how how do

505
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: you implement that? Once you know that you need to

506
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: learn a self regulate in eleven, how do you implement

507
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: that moving forward in your career because you retired. I

508
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: want to say December, coach Payton came in a receiving

509
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: room and said, brand I'm going to cut you. And

510
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: it was over after thirteen year. Okay, but that was

511
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: a long time. Congratulations. Um, okay, it's a long time.

512
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: It's a long time to in this league and to effective, right,

513
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: So listen, I listen. I've learned it, you know, like

514
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: I already it's in me. So it's not that I,

515
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: like I need to continue to learn it. So I

516
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: pushed back on that with what you said. Um, it's

517
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: more so about practice right now? Am I going to

518
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: practice it? So even when I make a mistake or

519
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: if I feel like I'm out of character, you know,

520
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I can now go back and say, you know this

521
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: is right, this is wrong. You know. Now I got

522
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: to get back to my practice. Um. You know, I think, like,

523
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about borderline personalities ordered. It's emotional disorder. Ricky

524
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 1: Williams was diagnosed with borderline personality s order. But if

525
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: you put Ricky Williams next to me, you would say

526
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: they're two different people. They're on totally opposite end of

527
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: the spectrum because borderline personalities order presents itself in over

528
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty different ways. Right. Uh, that goes

529
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: back to like the like the process like there was

530
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: for me. It took three months, actually took a month

531
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: and a half, but it was intense therapy. Okay, this

532
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: was every day during the year of the lockout. All right,

533
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Later on the show, I'll read you the note that

534
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I wrote there because I was willing to walk away

535
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: from the NFL until I got me back, until I

536
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: learned who I was. Right, So it took I thought

537
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: it could take you know a year. I thought it

538
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: could take two years. Why because there were some people

539
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: in that same group that actually completed the program and

540
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: came back two years later or been in the program

541
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: for two or three years or six months, right, So

542
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the you know, how long. I

543
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't know how long it was going to take. So

544
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: for me, it took a month and a half. That's

545
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: when I knew. A month and a half. Conductor Gunnison,

546
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: rest in peace. It's my guy. I love but by

547
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: the way, I love how you're like. It took me

548
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: like you did intense therapy, and some people come back.

549
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure people come back, because that's that's an

550
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: addiction that you have to get rid of to in

551
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: a form like of course people come back. They can't

552
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: figure that. Everybody can't every people aren't programmed as you are.

553
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: You can't figure that out overnight. Yeah, but you have

554
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: to be in the rights like they gotta think. Like

555
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: the first four and a half years there was that

556
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: there was a time where you know, I was speaking

557
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: to three different therapists in the same week. I got

558
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: a d U I right, and so I was in it.

559
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I was in the NFL uh the substance abuse program,

560
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: so I had to talk to someone there. Dr McBride,

561
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos had me sit down with someone there,

562
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: and there was the guy who was over the entire

563
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, behavioral health program for the NFL. I was

564
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: talking to him, you know. So there was one week

565
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: where I was talking there was there was one phase

566
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Speaker 1: of my career where I was talking to three different

567
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: doctors in a week. But I didn't want help. I

568
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: kept pointing to finger everyone else. But when I got

569
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: to McLean Hospital and go pick back up where before

570
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: the cops came and they're trying to rest me again,

571
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm by the ESPN, Dr gunder saying. Dr Gunderson looked

572
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: at me halfway through and he and it was like

573
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: I felt like a football coach, and he said, what

574
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: about you? He said, what about you? You keep pointing

575
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: finger everybody else, You keep talking about this coach and

576
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: your girlfriend and this person and that person. What about you?

577
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Control what you can control? And I just felt back

578
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: because like the thought of therapy for me at that

579
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: time was like I'm gonna come into therapy and I'm

580
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna sit back and lay on the couch, like the

581
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: stuff that you see in the movies. He's gonna listen

582
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: to me, but he wouldn't listen to me, you know

583
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so when he talked to me

584
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: that way, I had to fall back. And that's when

585
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: he said that you whine, what about you? What can

586
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: you control? That's when it finally broke through for me.

587
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: And so like the second half of my stint there

588
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: is when I just said, you know what, I'm not

589
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: worrying about my wife. I'm not worrying about the coaches,

590
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins or anybody else. I'm looking at how

591
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: I participating this. Whether it's seventy, I can can treat

592
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: me sevent to the drama or I'm on that. And

593
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: that's where my life radically changed. Change again. Commercials pay

594
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: the bill so your girl can stay cute, not cute,

595
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: but just que stick around after the break. Every champion

596
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: and carry champion is to be a champion, a champion

597
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: and carry chappion and carry chapion, A champion and carry

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Speaker 1: Chappion and carry Chappi rates and sports and then the

599
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: team making nake. Every champion and carry champion is to

600
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: be a champion, a champion they carry chappion, the champion,

601
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: they carry champion and carry Champion sports and then the

602
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: team can naked. Hey, everybody, welcome back. Brandon Marshall still

603
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: here explaining now the recipe for success if you will.

604
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: For I am athlete, I hope you enjoy ownership. When

605
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: we as um adults decided to take ownership of of

606
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: of our circum sense, of our decisions, of everything that

607
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: we've participated in, it requires us to be so very

608
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: honest about things that we've done that we failed with.

609
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: And every human has an ego and you use it

610
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves and we also use it in good ways.

611
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: Right ownership looks like what in your relationship with your wife?

612
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, controlling me? Like for a perfect example, you know,

613
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm really like transparent, open book, but you know there's

614
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: times where you know, we may be in the valley

615
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: a little bit and instead of you know, uh, standing

616
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: up and saying let's sit down and talk, I may retreat.

617
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 1: That's not on her, that's on me. Like I got

618
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: to own my emotions. I gotta own like my part

619
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: of it and be able to come and say they

620
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: let's sit down, let's talk. So ownership and my relationship

621
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: with my white mish Uh. It starts with my emotions.

622
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: It's about you know, my role as a father, as

623
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: a husband, right, Like there's some new things down, new challenges.

624
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: We have three kids, twins, they're seven years of age,

625
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: a boy and girl. You know, we have a three

626
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: year old, you know, with babies old just turned three Friday,

627
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: and so like, now you know that it's something A

628
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff ain't even about us. It's about

629
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: the kids, right, And it's being able to sit down

630
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I know I got all this stuff

631
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: going on outside. I got these facilities, I got this

632
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: media company. You know, I got my own like relationships

633
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: outside of this. But what do you need? How can

634
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Speaker 1: I help more? How can I be more present? So

635
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: I think, um, you know when I when you when

636
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: you say the word ownership and a relationship with my wife,

637
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: I think it starts with me and my emotions and

638
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: my behavior, like how do I, um, how do I?

639
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: How do I? How am I represented at home? How

640
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: do they do? M hm? When I see you guys together,

641
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: I saw you most recently, I think a super Bow

642
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: weekend at that that ram centner, I think, yeah, remember,

643
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: and it was nice to see you, and you guys

644
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: are always so um. Fine, y'all fine, y'all look good.

645
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have another word. I'm trying to

646
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: be a journalist and find the words. The words are together.

647
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: She bad bad, y'all come in bad stepping like what

648
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: we were, we coordinated. Donna kill him. I'm gonna come

649
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: with this and even come with that. I can think

650
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: you're getting dressed, being like what you're wearing, babe, Okay,

651
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm where it is. You know, it's the other way around.

652
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: She dresses. You know, it's I'm all black. I like

653
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the word black, so like when she come out with

654
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: color and stuff, I'm like, damn baby, and tell me that,

655
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Like now, I gotta go put on some colors because

656
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: all I want is black. I love it. And I

657
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: don't choose to dwell in the past for you all.

658
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: I choose to live in the present for you because

659
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: I do believe that you are working on and continuing

660
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: be a good husband and a good father. Do you

661
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: find it hard because I'd asked you about what you

662
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: talked about. Do you find it hard for people to

663
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: accept the new Brandon, the Brandon that is ever changing,

664
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: the Nuance Brandon Brandon that hey, pop off may have

665
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: an attitude, may appear intense, but give me a chance

666
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: to just be me and make mistakes and don't hold

667
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: me to my past. Is it hard? Is it hard

668
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: for you and people, especially with interviews, especially when you're

669
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: doing interviews, because you waiting for me to say something crazy.

670
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: I know, right, No, nothing's are for me because like

671
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm well trained when it comes to media, right,

672
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: that's you know, spent thirteen years and probably the biggest

673
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: media company in the world, the NFL. You know, we're

674
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: starting the twenty million Americans a hundred million or have

675
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: it football fans and like, you know, your show and

676
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: this person's show like have tons of reach. So like

677
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm trained there, like and that stuff doesn't rock me.

678
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: So actually, the stuff that makes me great and a

679
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: lot of athletes is being able to overcome all of

680
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: that pressure. Right, Um, you know I would say that, um,

681
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't It doesn't affect me in that way.

682
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: But what I would say that to like the younger brand,

683
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: and what I would say to the younger athletes is like, yo,

684
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: you gotta be very careful what you did, like and

685
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: and basically what like, look, you can google this stuff.

686
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Like I was in a very volatile relationship, you know

687
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: when I first when I was young, you know, my

688
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: ex and that trickled into you know, my relationship with

689
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: my wife. My wife, and now we just celebrated thirteen

690
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: years of twelve years of marriage, excuse me. And we

691
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 1: have three kids and you know, and I'm gona be honest,

692
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: like we're still working through like all that. Like we're

693
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: two young kids getting together, not knowing what a man

694
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: looks like, what a woman looks like, what marriage looks like,

695
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: and so like you know, when you step into relationship

696
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: and you don't know what it's supposed to look like,

697
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: or you don't understand yourself, right, like you're setting yourself

698
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: up for failure. So take your time there. Um, So

699
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: like stealed to this day, we're still in couples counseling, right,

700
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: and it's sometimes it's because we really need it sometimes

701
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: because we want to make sure we stay on our

702
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: p's and queues. Um, you know, thinking about our marriage,

703
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, I would say that, you know, and like

704
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: all the things that I've been through, we've been through,

705
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: it's like it never leads you like I had a

706
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: company reach out to me, a publicly traded company. We're

707
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: talking about five billion dollar company. They're like, yeah, we

708
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: love you, you know, we love what you're doing. We

709
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: love this new Brandon. We want you to see on

710
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: our board. And it's a paid position. I love a

711
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: board paid position. Talk to talk, talk to black talk

712
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: that I know about. I love a board paid position.

713
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm here for the alls and I'm getting them all correct.

714
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on. So this is my

715
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: first time, my first opportunity with this is a big deal,

716
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not even about the position. It's

717
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: more so about the net. I gotta see that at

718
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: the table. That's gonna open up the door to so

719
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: many other people in the world, right, and so these

720
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: are this powerful people. So they're all right, but first

721
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: we gotta do a background check. So you know, they

722
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: do a background checking, Like we gotta work the board

723
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: right now, because like we love who you are today,

724
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: but what happened fifteen years ago? Right, But no, but

725
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: it's cool, Like you know, it's fine because correct, But

726
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: like this is why we got to understand. Like even

727
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: you think about Dwayne Haskins, you know, when you're in

728
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: your youth. You know, we're talking about your rest in peace.

729
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: But it's like, man, you know, that could have been

730
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: me fifteen times, twenty times. I just gave me chills,

731
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: Give me chills because it could have been. It could

732
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: have been people thought that. People said that, right, and

733
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: look how much is to come. Yeah, that's right. That's powerful.

734
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: It could make grand Grandma about to cry. That's powerful.

735
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. I just am. I just yeah,

736
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I just think, you know,

737
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: even when you're talking about like sensitive and you know,

738
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I think like I lean into this, and that's that's

739
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: what it's Actually the reason why I'm in the position

740
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm in while I'm having so much success in a

741
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: lot of areas is because I went through something and

742
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I didn't run from it. I didn't retreat. I embraced it,

743
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: and I talked openly about it. So when I sit

744
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: down and talk to other athletes going through situations like yo,

745
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: don't run from that, actually talk about it. Because when

746
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: you humanize yourself because the media is not, then the

747
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: people won't rally behind you. Yeah. Here's what's interesting. I

748
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: just had this conversation last night. A friend of mine

749
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: is um working with a certain singer. He's really famous,

750
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: but he has a really bad media perception. UM not

751
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: keeping about is mine working with Chris Brown? And he's like,

752
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: can he get his whatever back? He said, what do

753
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: you think? And I'm like, why are you asking me?

754
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I don't work in music, as you asked me, because

755
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm a woman, a black woman. More specifically, well documented

756
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: about his relationship with Rihanna. We saw the pictures and

757
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody who rebounded. She like, she's not

758
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: missing a beat, billionaire, And I said, he's not a human.

759
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't I and this is me. You don't have

760
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: to weigh in. I don't see him human noised enough?

761
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: Meaning does he have to be in a video with

762
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: his kids? Do I need to see him with his

763
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: daughters to see this father that makes me relate to

764
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: him because right now, the reason why he is persona

765
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: on Granda in so many circles is because I don't

766
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: see the human aspect of him. I don't see that

767
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: he cares. I don't see the compassion. To your point,

768
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: you talk about these uncomfortable things that you went through,

769
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: and if you embrace it. People are like, I get

770
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: it because we fail all the hot and it's the

771
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: beauty of being a human because we get the opportunity

772
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: to try again. And with that, you've got the opportunity

773
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: to try again. You have this podcast, you founded it,

774
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: co founded, I believe or found it. I am athlete?

775
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Is it you and someone else? Would just give me

776
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: the particulars. I want to make sure that the stats

777
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: are correct. Pandemic happened watching ESPN FS one. Everybody's producing

778
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: from home zoom air pods and with screens whatever, and

779
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: I saw it an opportunity to sell the show. Then

780
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: you had all these people talking about ownership, talking about

781
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: our community. And when I started having these conversations with people,

782
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, we love you, we love

783
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: the show, but you should probably change up you know,

784
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: the cast or you know, we want to own or

785
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: seventy per cent of your I P and I just were.

786
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I started learning and I started absorbing all this information.

787
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you broke through and we

788
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: turned into this social cultural phenomenon and it turned into

789
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: a production company and network. Um think about you know,

790
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: Bleacher Report, un Interrupted, think about UH Players, Tribute so

791
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Like what you'll see this thing evolved to over the

792
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: next couple of years is that, you know, a platform

793
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: for athletes to share their stories, you know, unfiltered and

794
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: so um. You know. I just saw it as an

795
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: opportunity in the pandemic. I just invested like fifty dollars

796
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: and into some of the best you know cameras. I

797
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: had a social media team to tell the store in

798
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the House of Athletes side, like that mental health and

799
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: wellness side. And I had this facility, which was a

800
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: studio in the middle of the pandemic, nobody could shoot.

801
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm walking around my neighborhood and in my neighborhood, I

802
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: have legends living in my neighborhood. The Rock. We should

803
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I shared the backyard with the Rock, like Y had

804
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: a rug while he moved out now And but like, yeah,

805
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: Rock there you had Reggie Wayne, you have Fred Taylor,

806
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Marty Stardomer, you had Rudy Gaye, you had Channon Crowder,

807
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Ocho Sinko, and then in the surrounding area probably have

808
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: like another fifty to seventy five pro athletes. And so

809
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this, I'm like, yo, this is an

810
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to you know, breakthrough, you know, because

811
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I know we have the equipment, we have the crew,

812
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: and our production is gonna be at an all time high.

813
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: And so you know, we started it and uh it

814
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: just morphed into something special and then and yeah, it

815
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: was just it was just an idea that I had,

816
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: so um yeah, I mean yeah, I found it. It. Okay,

817
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: keep it, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, no, no, no, no,

818
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: here's what it is because I didn't know what it

819
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: was initially. Our first which is interesting. I don't know

820
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: when this episode is coming out, but our first episode,

821
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: oh one day is the week of the draft, right,

822
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: I believe NFL Draft. That was our first time. Uh,

823
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: that was our first episode, was highlighting the NFL Draft,

824
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: like our our mock draft, and so like I was

825
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: looking at you know, heavy sports and it wasn't resonating.

826
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we were this show and it was eighty

827
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: four people watching line. We were having this show and

828
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: there was two three thousand views and I was reached.

829
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: It takes a minute. Yeah, but here's the problem is

830
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: as a as you know, a professional athlete, guy that

831
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: played in Chicago, New York, Miami. You know, I'm all

832
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: pro pro Bowl player, you know, highest paid wide receiver

833
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: at points of my career. You know, I'm used to

834
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: people vibing with everything I'm doing. I posted picture, I

835
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: posted video is going to get thousands or millions of views.

836
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting in the pandemic and I'm getting

837
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: three thousand views. I was ready to give up my

838
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: harbor from New York. He actually hit hit me up

839
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: and I told him I was feeling because all this

840
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: is actually good for you. It's like, this is good,

841
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: you need this, you need to be humbles. I keep going.

842
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: So we kept going and then um, you know, we

843
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: had this one conversation on culture. You know, we started

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Speaker 1: about you know, Kanye and other things, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the goats, and it broke through and start resonating. You know,

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Speaker 1: Ocho came on. We popped off and it was just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. So it went so I am

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Speaker 1: athlete is seventy evergreen. Where we talk about mental health,

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Speaker 1: We're talking about finance. We talked about marriage relationships, all

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Speaker 1: these hard topics that you and I are talking about

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Speaker 1: that people want to hear about because we're all going

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Speaker 1: through these things and sports, and that is the formula

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Speaker 1: for that particular shower shower shows. All right, So that's it.

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Speaker 1: This is not disappoint That was a wonderful recipe because

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Speaker 1: guess what people love people to be authentic translation Naked

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Speaker 1: name said podcast you're listening to. Now, you know, I

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Speaker 1: do my best to really really walk that line of

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Speaker 1: being authentic with but but without sharing too much information

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Speaker 1: when I don't feel safe. And I talked about that

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Speaker 1: a lot with you all, But truly, everything I do

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Speaker 1: in life always leads me back to Carrie. You gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta keep it a buck. You have to be

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Speaker 1: one hundred to who you are um personal and professional relationships.

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Speaker 1: And it's such a work in progress, and it's such

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a recipe as well. Right, You

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Speaker 1: share what you feel like you need to share. You

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Speaker 1: share when you're when you feel safe, but you never

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Speaker 1: feel the need to be something that you're not. And

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Speaker 1: that is I gotta be honest with you, something that

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Speaker 1: most of us have to grow into. And it is

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Speaker 1: a lifelong lesson, life long journey marathon, whatever cliche you

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Speaker 1: want to put in there. But I really truly hope

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Speaker 1: that you enjoyed the podcast because Brandon is a good soul.

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Speaker 1: He really is, all right. So Naked is coming at

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Speaker 1: you next week. Stay tuned.