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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: And at some point my purpose has outrun my position,

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 4: women like you.

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Speaker 5: We're your hosts.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Dominique Bussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 2: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 2: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 2: fibroids to fake friends, and create a safe space where

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Speaker 2: black women can just be.

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Speaker 3: Lady.

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Speaker 2: Get ready because we have a special guest today, and

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Speaker 2: if you don't know you're about to find out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so go do your rules, Go do your research if

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Speaker 2: you don't know. Latasha Gillespie is the executive Head of Diversity,

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Speaker 2: Prior to our current role, Latasha led the global Diversity

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Speaker 2: Core conference. Prior to Amazon, Ytasha spent twenty years in

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Speaker 2: finance and HR with Caterpillar, Inc. She was also Caterpillar's

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Speaker 2: I'll say, wow, Latasha, welcome to cultivating her space. We

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to join both of you. It is

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to be in here. Yes, well, we are

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Speaker 2: looking forward to this conversation. And if our quote of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you're right. And you know who

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Speaker 4: I know, but can you tell audience to help it

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Speaker 2: My kid, my oldest son, And this is you know,

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Speaker 3: And I did that and I was like, yes, you did. Yes.

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Speaker 3: It was like we tracked everything I just said to you.

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Speaker 2: If you let them. M Oh, that's good. But Latasha,

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I always tell people I'm just a little black girl

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Speaker 2: And so I don't think that it's ironic that the

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Speaker 3: It wasn't it was if you go to college. It

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Speaker 2: And they never made a big deal about it, but

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Speaker 3: When you go to college, da da da da da, And.

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Speaker 2: I think about that because just that positioning, right, it

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Speaker 2: I think my whole life, my whole career, has been

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Speaker 4: Ooh, I love that the power of words and how

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Speaker 4: so we heard your amazing bio. Right, how did you

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Speaker 4: transition from working with a large manufacturing company to heading

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Speaker 2: You know my friend's Hi Randolph has a saying that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but right, Like, so, you know, one of the

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Speaker 2: Your team told you about what you expect, But if

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Speaker 2: and then we have got some photos pulled up of

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Speaker 2: you from social media.

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Speaker 3: Yes, now they even tell me that part.

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Speaker 2: And what we want you to do is we want

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Speaker 2: you to choose a number out of one in three

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Speaker 2: and we'll reflect that photo on the big screen, and

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Speaker 2: we want you to describe the photo and then give

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Speaker 2: us some context about the photo that we wouldn't know

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Speaker 2: just by looking at it. Okay, we're going to jump

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Speaker 2: on in knee's into this, easan. The first question for

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Speaker 2: you is what's the best piece of wisdom or advice

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Speaker 2: you've ever received? Oh? Wow, I think the best piece

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Speaker 2: of wisdom and advice I've ever received was to bet

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Speaker 2: on me. Yes, yeah, I think I think you know

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Speaker 2: someone said to me around Listen, first of all, if

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Speaker 2: you if you can't put your trust in anybody else,

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Speaker 2: you should be able to put it in yourself. And

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Speaker 2: so if you trust yourself enough enough to know that

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Speaker 2: you're going to make wise decisions, if you trust yourself

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Speaker 2: enough enough to know that you're going to never put

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Speaker 2: your family in harms way, and if you trust yourself

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Speaker 2: to know that you're a bad enough check that if

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Speaker 2: something doesn't work out, you can go find something.

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Speaker 3: Else and bet on you. Come on, yeah, yes, I

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Speaker 3: love it. Yeah, I love that. Okay, let's ash. I

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Speaker 3: have all words for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, twork yes or testaff both yeses. Hey girl, so

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Speaker 2: you know the two step has to be in there.

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Speaker 2: But listen, I'll give you a good work on a Tuesday. Okay,

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Speaker 2: work on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: I like that? Oh jacket okay, Natasha.

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Speaker 2: Next question, last question of this segment is what's the

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Speaker 2: sexiest item you own? Oh God, y'all can't be up

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Speaker 2: my bedroom like that.

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Speaker 3: We're sorry, Hey that we sorry, Gode.

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Speaker 2: You know well, I am a married woman twenty five

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Speaker 2: years so come on, oh yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about this red teddy I got and

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Speaker 3: leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, come on, and we know you got some hills

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Speaker 2: to go with it. We already know, we already already

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Speaker 2: know twenty five years we already okay, we already d

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Speaker 2: because I'm adulta he's a capital keeping Crimson and Creams.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it. Okay, we see how y'all do over there?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So now we're going to move to the

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Speaker 4: sentence completion.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: One question or topic I wish people asked me about

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Speaker 4: more often.

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Speaker 3: Is and eging.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, like, listen, our mamas did not.

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Speaker 3: Do us justice. Like somebody's gonna warm you about some

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Speaker 3: of this stuff that's happening right now. I'm looking like,

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Speaker 3: you know, did you know facts?

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Speaker 2: Well, Natasha, you're not going to believe this because the

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Speaker 2: next sentence completion is what I would tell you all

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Speaker 2: about aging is.

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Speaker 3: What's Listen. I feel like this podcast, this conversation is

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Speaker 3: so it's so divine, me ordered timely. First of all,

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Speaker 3: it ain't no getting around it.

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Speaker 2: So you got two alternatives to age or to leave

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Speaker 2: this earth.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna choose agent.

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Speaker 9: Yes, yep, yep, But you know, and I think I

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Speaker 9: disregarded a lot of things when I was young, because

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Speaker 9: I had my youth and I thought it wasn't going anywhere,

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Speaker 9: and chah, I'm healthy.

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Speaker 3: Look we looked good.

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Speaker 2: The kneeds still work, all the good things, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, one day, I'm reading

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Speaker 2: a book and I was like, huh, maybe it's late.

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Speaker 2: I should go to bed, and my eyes are, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting tired. I wake up in the morning, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to read the same chock. It's like humh or maybe

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Speaker 2: it's too early. My eyes the focus shit. Then it's

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Speaker 2: three o'clock in the day. I'm like, no, you just

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Speaker 2: can't see. Yeah, like, girl, stop playing, and I'm like, goodness.

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Speaker 2: But there's so many things that change, especially there's women

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Speaker 2: with our bodies that.

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Speaker 3: Just hit you by surprise, and you're like, how do

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Speaker 3: I'm in too?

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Speaker 2: My name? Where is the chicken soup? For the soul

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Speaker 2: books for nise like the warning no one at all

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Speaker 2: ain't trying to google them all. Susan Summer's informersals, what

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Speaker 2: does she say?

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Speaker 3: But let me go back what she's like? What she

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Speaker 3: had said? What did Jane Finn to teach us?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's good though, that's good. We'll have to

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Speaker 2: dive into that another time to dive in deeper on

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Speaker 2: couldn't they tell us about aging? That's good though, thank

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Speaker 2: you for the Thank you for what you did, drop

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Speaker 2: Natasha and pass.

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Speaker 4: It back to you, don So our final sentence completion.

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Speaker 4: What I love most about myself is I love a

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Speaker 4: lot of things about myself. That's the only reason why

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Speaker 4: I just caught this one is my art.

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Speaker 2: Well. I love most about myself is really what I

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Speaker 2: said earlier around what my purpose on this earth is

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Speaker 2: to do is to bring hope and healing to people.

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Speaker 3: Goose power words. I love that I get to do that.

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Speaker 3: I love that God chose me for that.

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Speaker 2: I love Then I get to see the impact of

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Speaker 2: that when I'm talking to people, whether it's one on

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Speaker 2: one or one to five thousand and Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Love I love that. We love it too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we love that for you, We love it for us, Yes,

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Speaker 2: we love it for the world. Okay, we need that.

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Speaker 2: So it's important. Thank you is And speaking of important,

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Speaker 2: we have some photos for that, okay, Natasha. So we

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Speaker 2: want you to do is choose a number out of

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Speaker 2: one in thirty and then we'll give you the instructions again.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting in the middle with two.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I think you'll like this one, so really quick,

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Speaker 2: if you can describe the photo that we're gonna share

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Speaker 2: with you, Natasha. And then because some folks are only

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Speaker 2: gonna listen to this audio, they won't be able to

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Speaker 2: see the video. And then if you can tell us

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Speaker 2: some context about this and we know this is such

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Speaker 2: a cool photo by the way. Oh okay, so this

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Speaker 2: was actually right after So I travel a lot and

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Speaker 2: so and I'm and I'm a loyalty person. So oh sorry,

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Speaker 2: So the picture is me in the cockpit of a

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Speaker 2: plane with a pilot. It's me sitting at the cockpit.

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Speaker 2: So I'm about to take y'all somewhere. So yeah, So, actually,

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Speaker 2: I travel a lot, and so I and I'm a

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Speaker 2: loyalty person, so like I always blat Delta unless Delta

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Speaker 2: can't give me there and Delta, actually I reached my

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Speaker 2: million mile status with Delta.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: And in my first flight, or the flight where I

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Speaker 2: hit the million miles or right after the million miles,

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Speaker 2: the pilot invited me to come sit and take a

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Speaker 2: picture in the cockpit.

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Speaker 3: That's what that is.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is so amazing.

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Speaker 2: A million miles so the flights, they all know you

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Speaker 2: by a first nake to this point here.

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Speaker 3: The relationship right girl. Yeah, wow, that's so amazing.

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Speaker 2: The keep are playing along with us and participating in

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Speaker 2: the Odie Blatche segment. We have a few more questions

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Speaker 2: for you, Latasha, and this has just already been so amazing.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things I thought about is we

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Speaker 2: were looking at the pictures. Actually it's just about how

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Speaker 2: we you know, oftentimes when we navigate spaces, especially in

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Speaker 2: corporate as black people, it can involve code switching, right,

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Speaker 2: And so can you just share some insights on either

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Speaker 2: experiences you've had with code switching or just your perspective

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Speaker 2: on switching in general. I'm thinking about young people who

589
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Speaker 2: might be listening who want to get into the industry,

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Speaker 2: and there are varying perspectives on COLDE switching.

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Speaker 3: Should we do it, should we not do it? What

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Speaker 3: is your perspective on that? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But can I just say real quick, like I

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Speaker 2: love that last segment and the fact that y'all have

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Speaker 2: coined a name for it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I am when I read the definition, I say

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Speaker 2: I have all of these things and like, now I'm

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Speaker 2: proud about it, Like I love the fact that you

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Speaker 2: are are acknowledging giving language to the fact that we

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Speaker 2: are complicated.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Yes, we are complicated. That's right. And I'm saying

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Speaker 3: and I don't apologize it for any part of me.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We're a multi faceted and Latasha. We actually

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Speaker 2: hosted a live show in Oakland last month and we

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Speaker 2: had this healing, empowering conversation and then we had a

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Speaker 2: twork class after because we really wanted to just hold

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Speaker 2: space for women to be all the things that you

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Speaker 2: can be ins.

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Speaker 3: In the box. So just had a shout at with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm just really upset. I think get invited.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay, let's talk about that later next time.

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Speaker 2: We got your next side. I'm old, but I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I got Megan needs a okay, okay, cold switching, cold switching, Listen.

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Speaker 2: I think there is a there is a acknowledgement and

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Speaker 2: recognition that you have to have for the industry you

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Speaker 2: work in, the kind of work you do and the

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Speaker 2: company culture right that you just got to know where

619
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Speaker 2: you're at, right. And when I was in Caterpillar, which

620
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Speaker 2: was a very Midwest at the time, Midwestern because they've

621
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Speaker 2: now moved the headquarters to Texas, and at the time

622
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Speaker 2: they were very Midwestern, very conservative culture type company. And

623
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Speaker 2: my first five years I worked in finance at that company.

624
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Speaker 2: So the banking industry on top of that, right, I

625
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Speaker 2: dealt with a lot of corporate bankers and stuff like that.

626
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Speaker 2: So there is a there's a uniform for that, there's

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Speaker 2: a kind of culture and a thing for that, right,

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Speaker 2: So there is the acknowledging the industry. I work in

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Speaker 2: the kind of work that I do and making sure

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Speaker 2: that I am appropriate, right. You know, Listen, I like

631
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Speaker 2: hot pants, but I'm not wearing them the church. I

632
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Speaker 2: got churchops, but I'm not wearing them to the club.

633
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Speaker 2: So I'm like, you just got to know where you at, right,

634
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Speaker 2: And so I think there's that in acknowledging that. But

635
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Speaker 2: on the other part, there's often where we comfring my

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Speaker 2: mindes who we are in our cultural identity to assimilate.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I wear my hair natural. I tell people, neppy

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Speaker 2: hair is my superpower. I know how to wear nepping

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Speaker 2: hair beautiful styles, right, But I can remember the agony

641
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Speaker 2: of poems fit my hair never getting straight anyway.

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Speaker 3: So I always found like an a poster.

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Speaker 2: And when you are worried about simple stuff like does

644
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Speaker 2: my hairstyle look professional or does it look nice or whatever,

645
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Speaker 2: that is taking mental energy around the million dollar ideas

646
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Speaker 2: I have that can grow this company, that can save

647
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Speaker 2: us from certain things, that can improve.

648
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Speaker 3: Quality, that can go find and reach new customers.

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Speaker 2: And so when you find that you are spending time

650
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Speaker 2: and energy covering, covering your sexual identity, covering your natural hairstyle,

651
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Speaker 2: covering you know those things, your faith, let me and.

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Speaker 3: Tidy baby Jesus going to any job, my man, so

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Speaker 3: we are packaged deal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and and don't jut meet it by us because

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Speaker 2: me and tiny baby jess as still working on that

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Speaker 2: so that ain't got.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to do it to me and working that out business.

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Speaker 10: That is yes, right, that is so powerful. If I

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Speaker 10: would give you a word and the word you know right,

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Speaker 10: So like if you were.

661
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Speaker 3: Spending time and energy on changing who you.

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Speaker 2: Are, you know, your core identity to appease someone else,

663
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Speaker 2: and and you know it because it's it's a It

664
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Speaker 2: takes an effort and an energy and an intentionality, and

665
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Speaker 2: you feel it every time you do it.

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Speaker 3: You know when you're doing it right.

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Speaker 2: And so when that becomes more important than the work itself,

668
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Speaker 2: I think that's a problem. And I and I have

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Speaker 2: a real story. You know, I spent a year in

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Speaker 2: a row trying to win over it appease a senior

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Speaker 2: leader in an organization because this person was pivotal to

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Speaker 2: the work that you're doing. And I was like, if

673
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Speaker 2: this person becomes a champion for this word, like, it

674
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Speaker 2: has a difference, it has a different level of impact

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Speaker 2: throughout this organization, right, And so you know a lot

676
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Speaker 2: of times I would tone stuff down or I would

677
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Speaker 2: soft shoe things rather than just like really like come

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Speaker 2: at the person directly, or you know, in terms of

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Speaker 2: speaking truth to power. And I remember one day we

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Speaker 2: had had a situation where I was like, Okay, now

681
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Speaker 2: we have to come to a come to the deity

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Speaker 2: of your choice conversation.

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Speaker 3: And I need to I need to speak.

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Speaker 2: I need to speak truth to this leader in a real,

685
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Speaker 2: authentic and honest way. And I remember, like, you know,

686
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Speaker 2: you know the thing, we rehearse it, we practice it.

687
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Speaker 2: We you know, we want to make sure we're clear

688
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Speaker 2: and have the right words. I'm thinking about my body language,

689
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Speaker 2: my tone, my volume, my choice of words, and go

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Speaker 2: into the meeting and have a conversation with the leader.

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Speaker 2: And I'm mindful of all of those things, my body language,

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Speaker 2: my tone, my volume, my choice of word words. The

693
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Speaker 2: meeting ran over, you know, so you know, we didn't

694
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Speaker 2: quite finish the meeting, but I politely, you know, ended

695
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Speaker 2: the meeting because I wanted to be respectful of the

696
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Speaker 2: person who was waiting next for a meeting, so I

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Speaker 2: leave the meeting. Later on, that person came looking for me,

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Speaker 2: came out of my office and didn't see me, and

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Speaker 2: they sent me an email saying, and here I came

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Speaker 2: looking for you because I wanted to finish our conversation

701
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Speaker 2: after you stormed out of my office.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't even read anything after that period.

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Speaker 2: Because stormed out of my office, right And I was like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's not the experience I had, exactly like,

705
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what could have happened? I'm racking my

706
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Speaker 2: breath in you what could have happened to make this

707
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Speaker 2: person characterize that as a storming out of their office.

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Speaker 2: And it dawned on me that with you know, doctor doc,

709
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Speaker 2: I'm already there as a black woman when you speak

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Speaker 2: truth to power, yes, yes, where you disagree, where you

711
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Speaker 2: hold firm on your position, and you say no, that's

712
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Speaker 2: not okay. You are the angry black women. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: you know you're not. Your colleagues are somebody who has courage.

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Speaker 2: Your colleagues are somebody who has backbone. Your colleagues are

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Speaker 2: somebody who you know is thinking about the best for

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Speaker 2: the organization and organizational courage, and this person stood up

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Speaker 2: for what was right.

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Speaker 3: But when you do it, you are angry black woman. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was so taken aback because listen, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to all the things because I think I am,

721
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Speaker 2: because we as black women, and any marginalizes community. Honestly,

722
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Speaker 2: but we are often doing mental gymnastics to try to

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Speaker 2: make sure that the thing that we're trying to say

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Speaker 2: lands the way we intended to land.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: And I realized in that moment that it didn't matter

727
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Speaker 2: what I had done for that whole year to try

728
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Speaker 2: to earn that person's trust and bring them along. It

729
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Speaker 2: didn't matter how much I had practiced and was careful

730
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Speaker 2: in my word selection. People will see you the way

731
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Speaker 2: that they see you. So wow, I'm mad at you

732
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Speaker 2: because you couldn't see the authentic me, and then all

733
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Speaker 2: mattered me because I wasn't the.

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Speaker 3: Authentic mem And I was like, Okay, I guess what

735
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Speaker 3: I know going forward? Who I ain't gonna be mad

736
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Speaker 3: at Okay, And that's right, that's right, yep.

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Speaker 2: And from that day on it changed my whole perspective

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Speaker 2: on code switching. Listen, they wasn't ready after that. Now

739
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Speaker 2: I'm always going to be professional. Yes, I'm always going

740
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Speaker 2: to be respectful, right, but I'm showing up as me

741
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Speaker 2: every day. Yes, And I'm gonna sell you what happened

742
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: when I started doing that on a consistent basis, I

743
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: had like the super.

744
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Speaker 3: Bowl of my career.

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Speaker 2: No, lie, wow, Like things just started happening and popping

746
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Speaker 2: and like stuff that weak you talk, Yeah.

747
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Speaker 3: Like we get big things that had huge impact globally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like being unapologetically you and not being

750
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Speaker 3: caught up in the opinions of other people.

751
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Speaker 2: Like they're gonna talk about you anyway, they're gonna feel

752
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Speaker 2: like you're aggressive anyway.

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Speaker 3: Just show up Okay. Yeah that's powerful. Yeah, I am

754
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Speaker 3: loving that.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 4: I do have a question about how do you because

757
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Speaker 4: it takes. You mentioned it takes a lot of mental gymnastics,

758
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Speaker 4: right to do this to show up as ourselves and

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Speaker 4: navigate these spaces. What do you do to care for yourself,

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Speaker 4: to pour into yourself so that you can have the

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Speaker 4: capacity to show up in these spaces unapologetically?

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Speaker 2: You? Yeah, the first thing that I do, let me

763
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Speaker 2: talk about the corporates at the first thing one, I

764
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Speaker 2: have an amazing team. I have assembled a group of

765
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Speaker 2: amazing humans who helped do this work alongside of me

766
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Speaker 2: every day. And when I say amazing humans is because

767
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Speaker 2: we don't know. We don't only do the work. We

768
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Speaker 2: check in on each other, right, and so we we

769
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Speaker 2: are quick to be like hey, tag me in, right,

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Speaker 2: and so because this work, we will cause burnout, right.

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Speaker 2: And so I have an amazing team. So that's first

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Speaker 2: and foremost. And then the second thing is for me

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Speaker 2: self care looks look different in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things I do for self care,

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Speaker 2: which sounds completely opposite to self care, is our travel.

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Speaker 3: Right. So I feel, I feel you feel, and my

777
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Speaker 3: team is like you need to slow down. I was like, no,

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Speaker 3: because what you don't understand.

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Speaker 2: About me is that is the thing that gives me

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Speaker 2: energy When I'm out and I'm in these streets and

781
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Speaker 2: I'm touching the people that we do this work for.

782
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Speaker 2: It reminds me about what's really important and not some

783
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Speaker 2: of this bureaucracy stuff.

784
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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's self care for me, reminding and touching the

786
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Speaker 2: people we do this work for and seeing the impact

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Speaker 2: that has on them.

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Speaker 3: And then at the end of the day, listen, I am.

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Speaker 2: A person that I can get so wrapped up in

790
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: the problem that it can consume me. So I have

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Speaker 2: to constantly stay in a place and state of worship

792
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Speaker 2: because it is super important for me not to get

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Speaker 2: caught up on the problem that I forget who the

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Speaker 2: problem solvery is?

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Speaker 3: Oh better, go ahead, come on, yes e.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm an overthinker, you know, I will dive all

797
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Speaker 2: into that thing to be like how did we get here?

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Speaker 3: How are we going to get out of here? Like

799
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Speaker 3: all and like can put a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Energy there when you know, for me, I can't tell

801
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Speaker 2: you what works but you, But for me, I have

802
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Speaker 2: to remember my guy got receipts I don't even see period. Right,

803
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: That's good. So that's what self care looks like for me.

804
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: It's yeah, a solid team traveling and staying in a

805
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: constant state of worship. So powerful, so powerful, Natasha, Is

806
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 2: there anything that you really wanted us to talk about today?

807
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: I feel we definitely took a detour and it was

808
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: a great detour, like we really enjoyed it. Is there

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00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: anything that you will think that you wanted to talk

810
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: about today that we didn't get to yet out One

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Speaker 2: of the things that I did want to mention I

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Speaker 2: forgot to say this off friand is you know there's

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Speaker 2: a We've added an A into our name, which is accessibility.

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Speaker 2: And I'm really really proud of a lot of the

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Speaker 2: work that we're doing in the space of accessibility.

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Speaker 3: And it's and it's so easy. I think people make

817
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Speaker 3: it harder than it needs to be.

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Speaker 2: But it's really about just pausing enough to ask people

819
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Speaker 2: what tools do you need to be your most productive

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Speaker 2: self today? And I don't care what job it is,

821
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: and I don't care what the accommodation looks like, But like,

822
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: if you just consistently ask people what what tools do

823
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: you need to be your most productive self today? You

824
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: know you can you can really learn a lot and

825
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: bring other perspectives and people into your space.

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Speaker 3: That can enrich your lives in so many ways.

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Speaker 2: And like the way we have seen, you know, people

828
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Speaker 2: show up on our productions, which is a small minor

829
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: accommodation sometimes that they need, but they have brought so

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Speaker 2: much more to the production and the show than if

831
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Speaker 2: they had not been there. And you know, I think

832
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Speaker 2: that's a space that I'm really excited about.

833
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 3: I'm really excited.

834
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Speaker 2: About, you know, this this new Amazon family we have

835
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Speaker 2: with free V and MGM, and like now that our

836
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: family is so much bigger and more diverse, I feel

837
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Speaker 2: like we're serving customers and ways the new and exciting

838
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Speaker 2: ways that we couldn't before.

839
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Speaker 3: So free D is our ad support and service.

840
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Speaker 2: So even if you don't have a prime membership, you're

841
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: gonna watch freebe and we have a lot of the

842
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: same shows on both and that m G library is

843
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: just yes, right, So the Creed franchise and Tale and

844
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: the work that a lot of males doing with the

845
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Speaker 2: Ryan Pictures, Like, I am super pumped about the stuff

846
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: that's coming out of there.

847
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: So I'm just really it's a.

848
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Speaker 2: Fun time to be in this space, in this place

849
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: to do this work because we've got a lot of

850
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: the things coming out and a lot of amazing people

851
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: we get to work with. I think, you know, work

852
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: is work, but when you get do it with amazing

853
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 2: humans like it is, Yes, it's it's a little different part.

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00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: It does, it really does.

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00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: But y'all know because y'all let to amazing humans, they

856
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: get to work with each other every day.

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Speaker 3: So yes, thank yous, been so fun. La Fashia.

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00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: What what could our listeners do to support you based

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00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: on where you are right now and what you're working on?

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00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh well, I think listeners could do a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 2: if you want to help make your workplace. It doesn't

862
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: matter what kind of work you do. But if you're

863
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out how can I, you know, have

864
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Speaker 2: an impact from whatever seat I send in.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the head of DEI the head of this

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Speaker 3: and that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just somebody that sits in cubicle ABC, which I

868
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: appreciate because oftentimes the heavy lifting does happen in those cubicles.

869
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: So I would tell you all you download our inclusion

870
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Speaker 2: Policy and playbook.

871
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: It's free.

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00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: You don't have to put your website in your emailing

873
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: We're not going to bombard you with a bunch of

874
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: emails you can download it and access all the information there,

875
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, adopt it if you're in our industry.

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Speaker 3: Adapted if you're in a different industry.

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