WEBVTT - Episode 388: It's A Mega Mailbag, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number three eighty eight of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcast. It's a mailbag episode, so we'll open it

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Thursday day, evening, April ninth. Lyle,

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<v Speaker 1>did the Mariners score run since we last recorded?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, how many runs have they scored this week?

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<v Speaker 2>That would be three? Three total runs in how many games? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be three games? Oh, Oh, listen, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>loaded mail bag for people. I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 2>of you guys were listening to the podcast we did

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<v Speaker 2>after the Raise series last September, where it was just

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as possible, But we did a mega mail

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<v Speaker 2>bag we called it where we just took a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of questions from a ton of people, ripped through a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of answers and it was really fun. Rather than

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<v Speaker 2>doing so much deep diving on every question, we were

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<v Speaker 2>just hitting a bunch of them. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do today because spoiler, nobody wants to hear

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<v Speaker 2>us talk about that shitty ass series and shitty ass

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<v Speaker 2>road trip for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It was bad, worst start since two thousand elevee and

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good year, right They rebounded?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah great. I mean, seriously, we were this close

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday from getting to use that Bob Uker clip

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<v Speaker 2>from Major League where he looks at the box score.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like and Cleveland has one hit, that's all. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got one goddamn hit, Because the Marators had two hits

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday and we were one off from getting.

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<v Speaker 1>To use that, and we we tweeted out our first

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<v Speaker 1>meme of the year or post on our Instagram first

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<v Speaker 1>losing meme of the year. It's it's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the worst game. No, no, no, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>worst game so far this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen the Simpsons movie? Yes, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say that, it's it's been a long time, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where it's from.

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<v Speaker 2>Homer comes and picks up Bart, and Bart's like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst day of my life, and Homer goes,

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<v Speaker 2>worst day of your life so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Next one that gets posted will be the thank you

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<v Speaker 1>Fans graphic.

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<v Speaker 2>That one's always a banger. Have you noticed that the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners and honestly other teams out there too, have stopped

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting that at the end of the year they do

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<v Speaker 2>something else now too late, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Got one, we got one of them saved.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think teams started to realize that just

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<v Speaker 2>gets memed every year now, so they stop tweeting that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we will certainly touch on every topic you think

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted us to talk about in this episode regarding

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners, of like concerns you have, any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like niche questions will be answered in this mail bag.

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<v Speaker 1>We have over twenty mailbag questions, so I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hit on every single topic possible. A reminder, do you,

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<v Speaker 1>guys before we get into this mail bag. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want mailbag priority and you want your questions answered on

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<v Speaker 1>every single mailbag, the place to go is our Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod. You get access

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<v Speaker 1>to not only mailbag Priority, but you get ad free

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<v Speaker 1>episodes and you can get on a monthly video call

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<v Speaker 1>with Lowney and get all of your Mariners question answered.

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<v Speaker 1>So that sounds like something that would interest you, go

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<v Speaker 1>to Patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give everybody another incentive since we take any questions

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<v Speaker 2>on any topics and are just total diabolical Mariners fans. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we get into the weeds with this stuff. Think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>While the rest of the sports media world is currently

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<v Speaker 2>spending this week talking all about Mike Rabel and Diana Russini,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna spend a Thursday episode in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>April talking about potential ex wobas from a Mariner's utility player.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll raise you one even better. As we get

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<v Speaker 1>into our first mailbag question, we're gonna talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>former Mariners prospect who's now one of the worst players

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<v Speaker 1>in Triple A. Lyle floated it out there on when

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday's episode, saying, if we got enough people asking us

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<v Speaker 1>about Jared Kelnick, we tell some Jared Kelnick stories on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Because we got so many of them, Lyle,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna lead off the mailbag with it. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be one person asking this question. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions from this Tolile take it away, Flora's yours.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this, a lot of these questions throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the episode will be rapid fire because we're gonna try

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<v Speaker 2>to get through a lot. This one we will spend

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<v Speaker 2>a little more time on because I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the response was gonna be from people. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>if a lot of people had just moved on from

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Kellnick and just felt like it was a non

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<v Speaker 2>story at this point. No, we got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>response from a lot of people saying, Oh, I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what you guys have to say about it,

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess there is still interest.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where it relates back to the megamailbag from

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<v Speaker 1>the end of last year before the Mariners went on

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<v Speaker 1>their run. People don't want to hear about the actual

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners team. They want to think about a different Mariners team,

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<v Speaker 1>like the twenty twenty one to two or three Mariners,

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<v Speaker 1>or in the case of the end of last year,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hypothetical Mariners team.

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<v Speaker 2>It just breaks my heart with Jared Man it does.

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<v Speaker 2>And getting into some of these stories I think will

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<v Speaker 2>further detail why to give people a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>context who haven't seen Jared Klnick's with the White Sox

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<v Speaker 2>organization this year. He didn't make the team out of

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<v Speaker 2>big league camp, which is a tough scene in its

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<v Speaker 2>own right when you're not making the White Sox big

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<v Speaker 2>league roster. But now he's in Charlotte, and while it's

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<v Speaker 2>only been eight games and he could turn things around

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<v Speaker 2>through eight games, he is a three thirty two ops

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<v Speaker 2>in Triple A.

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<v Speaker 1>Oo. Yeah, it's not very good. No.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we said on Wednesday's podcast is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people failed Jared Kelnick. Obviously it's ultimately on the

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<v Speaker 2>player to make the most of their career, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people really failed him. There's the stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>already public out there, which we can start with. Number One,

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<v Speaker 2>I will never not be convinced that the COVID season

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<v Speaker 2>totally warped his development.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that fair because that was his age twenty season

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<v Speaker 1>in which he would have gotten another season of development,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wouldn't have been up at the big leagues

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<v Speaker 1>right away. He would have spent maybe two months of

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<v Speaker 1>that season in Double A, he would have got some

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<v Speaker 1>seasoning in Triple A, and he would have debuted as

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<v Speaker 1>a Mariner at age He would have been twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in the second half of the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty season, but he would have had a regular spring training.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have had regular progression within the minor leagues

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<v Speaker 1>at the Double A level and then the Triple A level,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would have gotten sort of what Cole

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<v Speaker 1>Emerson is gonna get this year. The Mariners are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to rush Cole Emerson too the big leagues. In

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<v Speaker 1>that case, in twenty twenty, the Mariners would have still

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<v Speaker 1>been rebuilding. They treated that year still as another rebuild

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<v Speaker 1>year instead of as kind of an in between like

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<v Speaker 1>they were in twenty twenty one when Jared did debut,

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<v Speaker 1>So it would have been a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>softer landing into the big leagues for Jared Kelnick if

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<v Speaker 1>he had a normal prospect progression in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, there was no season. There was no minor league season,

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<v Speaker 2>so guys like Kelnick did not get to play real games.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to take a bunch of live at that

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<v Speaker 2>in summer camp. And then, if you remember, in addition

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<v Speaker 2>to that, the first month of the minor league season

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one was canned. The minor league season

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<v Speaker 2>didn't start till May that year because there was still

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of labor negotiations going on.

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<v Speaker 1>If I remember right, they didn't want to pay the

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<v Speaker 1>minor leaguers, right, That's why.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So from September of twenty nineteen until May of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, Jery Kalmick was not playing in real

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<v Speaker 2>affiliated baseball games. Think about how long that is. That

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<v Speaker 2>is insane. You're getting close to two years now.

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<v Speaker 1>The development of that is tough to rebound from, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen a lot of that with the twenty twenty draft,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been really hit or miss with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these prospects. Their development is unlike any draft classes

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<v Speaker 1>development that has happened in MOB history.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't heard much from Austin Martin or Ace Lace

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<v Speaker 2>these days, that's for sure. Those guys were top five picks.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Ace Lacey never made the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is he still pitching? Is he still in the minors?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing maybe maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Pitching her Well, he as Lacey got to professional baseball

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<v Speaker 1>and was never good unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, There is that aspect of it when I say

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<v Speaker 2>people failed him again. The other part of this this

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<v Speaker 2>is public is the Mariners failed him. I know there

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<v Speaker 2>was a bunch of outside noise about getting him on

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<v Speaker 2>the team that year, but the Mariners did not do

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<v Speaker 2>right by him, in addition to all the time he

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<v Speaker 2>missed between COVID and the first month of the season

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, the Mariners yanked him up after

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<v Speaker 2>six games at twenty one years old, after almost a

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half off put him at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the lineup, asked them to save the offense because

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<v Speaker 2>they had a bad offseason. They weren't getting butts and

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<v Speaker 2>seats and they they needed a savior, and they put

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<v Speaker 2>unfair expectations on a twenty one year old who was

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<v Speaker 2>not fully developed yet.

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<v Speaker 1>M M and as will be a theme with this

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<v Speaker 1>answer to this question. Jared didn't process failure very well,

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<v Speaker 1>so to put a prospect who had just taken essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half off from playing real baseball games,

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<v Speaker 1>give him six games in Triple A and then present

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<v Speaker 1>him with the biggest challenge of his life right away,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he fails instantly and it doesn't work. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work for the meritors. It doesn't work for Jared

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<v Speaker 1>either in that situation. Given right off the bat, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a historic over that had him get sent back

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<v Speaker 1>to the minors, right and it was an over forty

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<v Speaker 1>one over thirty nine something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bad and that was the story, right in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to all the Kevin Mathers stuff that was out

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<v Speaker 2>there that year. It was not a good offseason. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't add much because they were still trying to just

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the young core, but it didn't lead to

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<v Speaker 2>a team being rolled out that was all that competitive,

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<v Speaker 2>especially early on. The offense was non existent, especially through

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<v Speaker 2>the first six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it's funny why they called him up. If the

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<v Speaker 1>mindset of the season and they approached it this way

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<v Speaker 1>at the deadline, the mindset of the season was develop right,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they did with Jared was not developed at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>It really, looking back on it, doesn't We'll both put

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<v Speaker 2>our hands up right here saying that we wanted Jared

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<v Speaker 2>Kellennick up in the big leagues at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>We were sorely mistaken. It was the wrong decision. We

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<v Speaker 1>were not thinking clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people were in our boat with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's the part of it that we've just heard

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<v Speaker 2>enough times and we've collected stories that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>share it with you. I don't think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this is out there, maybe not that I've ever noticed.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we say people failed him, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners, we talked about the last season. Things we've heard, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>is his dad sounded like a nightmare. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be totally real. So his family built baseball facilities in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were always always super invested in baseball and

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<v Speaker 2>their kids baseball, clearly to the point where they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>building baseball facilities out there. But man, we heard enough

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<v Speaker 2>times some stories about that. To have his dad and

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<v Speaker 2>his ear all the time sounded pretty toxic. We would

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<v Speaker 2>hear stories constantly that when Jared would have a day

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<v Speaker 2>where he'd, let's hypothetically say, went two for four with

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<v Speaker 2>a home run when he'd talked to his dad, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounded like a lot. And his dad was very, very,

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<v Speaker 2>very involved with his career, including when he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the big leagues. When it's you know, it's not your

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<v Speaker 2>dad as the coach anymore. There's a big league team

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<v Speaker 2>here trying to develop you. His dad's in his ear constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was on the phone, whether it was games

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<v Speaker 2>he traveled out to in person, saying not nice home run,

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<v Speaker 2>not way to have a game tonight, it was why

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<v Speaker 2>did you strike out in the fifth inning. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>that he went two for four and had a couple

0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.199
<v Speaker 2>of hit His dad was all focused on, well, why'd

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<v Speaker 2>you strike out? What happened? Like? Why you strike it out? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>And a mindset like like, a mindset like that and

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship like that is not something that just starts

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<v Speaker 2>when you become a big leaguer. That seems like it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that clearly was a thing over a long period

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<v Speaker 2>of time.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's not a very healthy way to think

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<v Speaker 1>about baseball, because baseball, as any coach would have told

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<v Speaker 1>you growing up, as a game of failure. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to be okay failing if you're going to play baseball

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<v Speaker 1>like that mindset right there does not allow for failure,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it's impossible for the game that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah again, especially imagine being twenty one years old. Forget

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<v Speaker 2>all of the adjusting to the big league side of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just where your mindset and prefrontal cortexas as a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one year old kid. I mean, we're just at asu

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<v Speaker 2>like going out to the bars with our friends. At

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one years old. He's got the weight of a

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<v Speaker 2>city on him. At twenty one years old, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>fully developed, and that's not enough to deal with. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you've got somebody who's supposed to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>one of your biggest supporters, but insteadies in your ear.

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<v Speaker 2>It's essentially sounding like in some ways, whether he meant

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<v Speaker 2>to or not, he's like your biggest hater, is your

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<v Speaker 2>biggest critic all the time. And even when he was

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<v Speaker 2>successful in high school and through the minors and when

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<v Speaker 2>he was on the showcase trying to get drafted. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if all you hear is the negative about the couple

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<v Speaker 2>of bats where you get out versus the oh, you

0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.000
<v Speaker 2>just had a four hundred something foot bomb, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>can mess with the mindset of somebody a lot. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>hearing that at sixteen seventeen, when again it's becoming pretty

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<v Speaker 2>clear he's going to be a high draft pick. But

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<v Speaker 2>to have somebody in your ear at a time like

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<v Speaker 2>that of your life when you're a teenager and you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out a lot, like why are you

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<v Speaker 2>striking out in this one a bat of a showcase

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<v Speaker 2>in game two of a fifth inning when you probably

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<v Speaker 2>went ten for twelve, but you struck out once. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to handle, man, And I can't imagine that's

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<v Speaker 2>the healthiest way for a player to go through his

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<v Speaker 2>baseball career.

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<v Speaker 1>And then add in the fact that once Jared got

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<v Speaker 1>to the big leagues, this was the first time he

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<v Speaker 1>had really failed in his entire life. Twenty one years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been the best player for a long, long,

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and people have been telling him that he's

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<v Speaker 1>the best over and over and over and for some people,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not the most shocking thing. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to learn to deal with failure because it's something you

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally have not had to deal with ever. And

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<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, it all happens at once,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is not the proper mechanisms in place to

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<v Speaker 1>support that failure.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, he's in the middle of that over forty slump

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<v Speaker 2>to start his big league career, and I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>already enough on him when he's already so wound up

0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.760
<v Speaker 2>tight the way he is. But then again, you have

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<v Speaker 2>his dad, probably in his ear, saying, you keep pressing,

0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.040
<v Speaker 2>you're swinging and missing, you're chasing, Like I wouldn't want

0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>my parents doing that to me, Not in little league,

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<v Speaker 2>not in high school, none of it, certainly not if

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<v Speaker 2>I was a big leaguer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what about the team around him too, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking back to that twenty twenty one roster, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is obviously with I'm saying this from someone with

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<v Speaker 1>no information on this, but I'm just looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>way the roster is laid out. It's not a very

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<v Speaker 1>established roster, because this roster had been picked apart over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the last two years to where there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a ton of established long term mariners that you

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<v Speaker 1>would say are entrenched in leadership positions. The two guys

0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you would think of are Mitch Hanneger and Kyle Seeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And we could say this for at least one of

0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.040
<v Speaker 1>these two guys because he made this very public. Kyle

0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Seger was pretty disgruntled at this point and was not

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<v Speaker 1>a huge fan of the Mariners organization. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how he was as a leader to somebody like Jared Kellenick.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I remember when Kyle Seger came off the

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<v Speaker 1>field at the end of the twenty one season, Jared

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<v Speaker 1>had some tears in his eyes, So there's clearly some

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<v Speaker 1>connection there, But like what kind of I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership of that twenty one team compares to what

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<v Speaker 1>this group in last year and this current year in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six had, Where I say, it's a healthier

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<v Speaker 1>team construct for a young player to come in and

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<v Speaker 1>fail and have the support around him.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, it is not the same leadership from that

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<v Speaker 2>team as it now is with this team. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell one other story, which again I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think is really out there, although if you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people and are around the game much, it's it's

0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 2>not the world's best kept secret. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's been written about or anything. When Jared got

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<v Speaker 2>sent down to the minor leagues, it was either the

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<v Speaker 2>first or second time. There's a story. We've heard from

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<v Speaker 2>enough different people that he was so furious after a

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<v Speaker 2>strikeout wants in Tacoma that he goes into the Rainiers

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<v Speaker 2>clubhouse and with a bat essentially breaks every single toilet

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<v Speaker 2>in that clubhouse, like one by one, smashed it, smashed it,

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<v Speaker 2>smashed it, like complete meltdown, like insanity. I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 2>had to pay for it. Some of you are probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hear that story and laugh and say, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>that's insane. Some of you are probably gonna hear that

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<v Speaker 2>story and say, well, this is why the Mariners got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of him. He couldn't figure it out mentally. I

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<v Speaker 2>hear a story like that, and truly, like I said

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of this, I really just I feel

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<v Speaker 2>so bad for him. There's so many ways where this

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<v Speaker 2>could have worked out. But when you hear a story

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<v Speaker 2>like that, it just shows that, again, like with different

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<v Speaker 2>with different messages being sent to you potentially internally, like

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<v Speaker 2>in your ears, reactions like that don't happen because that

0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.399
<v Speaker 2>is so next level for one strikeout, and you're so

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<v Speaker 2>mad about it that it leads to behavior like that,

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<v Speaker 2>And it just makes me wish he had more positive

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<v Speaker 2>messaging in his ear and more of the right people

0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.120
<v Speaker 2>in his ear, because again, that's not normal. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>destroy every every toilet in a minor league clubhouse. We

0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.080
<v Speaker 2>know he was tightly wound up, We know he was fiery.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do we think that is that didn't just happen overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's an upbringing with that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It is possible that even if everything around him was right,

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<v Speaker 1>that he still fails because of course, prospects busts all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But you're right, we would love to have

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<v Speaker 1>loved to see him have that opportunity, knowing what we know.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, again, there's no guarantee, and I'll say what

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<v Speaker 2>I said at the start, it is ultimately on the

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<v Speaker 2>player to figure it out with your own career. That

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<v Speaker 2>being said, again, we told you guys, we tell you

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<v Speaker 2>some stories. There are definitely a couple of stories in

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<v Speaker 2>there that I don't think are really out there a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we know, that's what we've heard, And like

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.320
<v Speaker 2>we said, we're transparent with you guys. When when we

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<v Speaker 2>hear things that we think are interesting, long as we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get in crazy trouble for it, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>share it. And we have heard those stories again, the

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff about his dad, certainly the clubhouse story in Tacoma,

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and it just makes you wish man things have gone

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<v Speaker 2>so differently. I'm not much of a Hugger in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could just give Jared hugg honestly, because

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally lot of totally reasonable thing.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people failed him. It's ultimately on him,

0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.840
<v Speaker 2>it's on the player, but people failed him.

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<v Speaker 1>to learn more. All right, let's rip through these. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with our Patreon questions. We have Michael, who asks,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a reasonable in season answer to the Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson problem.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, there's not, because unless somebody's gonna get in

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<v Speaker 2>his ear and tell him to start managing differently and

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<v Speaker 2>start going off the numbers and the process more what

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<v Speaker 2>do you fix? How do you change this in season?

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<v Speaker 2>He has to one be willing to adapt and two

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<v Speaker 2>then go execute it. Are those things gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say it's pretty simple. He either improves or he

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<v Speaker 1>gets fired. That's it. You like the problem solves? Oh sorry,

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.879
<v Speaker 1>not just gets fired. But then the Maritors would need

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<v Speaker 1>to put an interim manager in there who does a

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<v Speaker 1>better job it.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems unlikely. It's like we said on the last

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<v Speaker 2>episode on Wednesday's podcast, this is what the Mariners signed

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<v Speaker 2>up for. They say that everything he does in the

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<v Speaker 2>clubhouse is so great that it outweighs all the poor

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<v Speaker 2>in game management that goes on on the field. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't buy all that because I think the stuff on

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the field has acted wins and losses. It certainly did

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs. But that's what the Mariners believe. So again,

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 2>they've signed up for this. There are things that we

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<v Speaker 2>could sit here and say, yes, here's how it could improve,

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<v Speaker 2>But how do the Mariners themselves improve it. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it does. Man. It's either he is willing

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<v Speaker 2>to adapt and get better with the decisions, or it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to stay the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they let someone else make the decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it seems unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>It does seem very unlikely. Next question comes from Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon, and Bryson asks, as longtime Emerson Hancock supporters,

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>how does it feel that he's finally breaking out?

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome? Because he's one of the best dudes you'll ever meet,

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 2>not even just baseball people, so cool and sure, there's

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>the whole element of him being a number six pick

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>out of Georgia and him starting to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to adapt in a big league setting and figuring out

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>how to miss bats and figuring out how to be

0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 2>truly effective. But we've talked so much about the numbers.

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>We talked about him lowering his arm angle by five

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>or six degrees in previous episodes. We've talked about how

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>he's got three real pitches now with the fastball, the sinker,

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>and the sweeper. We've talked about a lot of the

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>nuts and bolts of it. How does it feel? It

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>feels awesome? Because this podcast is an Emerson Hancock supporting podcast.

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>We are Emerson Hancock guys through and through and to

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>see him have the success, yeah, we take victory laps

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>For his sake, I'm happy for him because this is

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<v Speaker 1>also a really long stretch. He's been healthy, and part

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>of the reason I think at the beginning of his

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>career he wasn't as successful is because he wasn't totally healthy.

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't get the volume of innings under him that

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>he needed. Then he's finally healthy and he gets his

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 1>velocity back, and then he's finding the things that don't work.

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>So now he has the runway again to tinker and

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>get to a point where it actually does work for him.

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's what pitchers should do. If something's not working,

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you're either not going to fix it and be bad,

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>or you're gonna try and at least try and fix

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it and it could potentially work out for you. And

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 1>through two starts this year, and he's gonna get quite

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a test this weekend against the Houston Astros for how

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 1>well he's pitched. It's it's through two starts who he

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>worked out for him and that makes us very happy.

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>We tell him when we see him, like you've you've

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 1>looked great.

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 2>This is We're thrilled for you. Although it's funny, Emerson

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like hearing a lot of that stuff. You can

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 2>just tell We love Emerson and he's always great to talk.

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 2>He's a great talker, super friendly, always awesome to us.

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>But he does not like to take in a lot

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of the praise. He is very like, I bet, I

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>gotta keep getting better. I got to keep getting better.

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I gotta find ways to be more effective.

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>He just will work in like a yeah, we played great, exactly.

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>He immediately turns it to the team, the team, which honestly,

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 2>yet again, just speaks to who Emerson Hancock is.

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Eric on Patreon. Eric's question is,

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<v Speaker 1>did Brian and We'll give Mike Trout the chin music

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>on purpose?

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 2>No? No, he did not, And if you're.

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean he threw up an in on purpose,

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't trying to intimidate Mike Trout or throw

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>at him.

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<v Speaker 2>And now for our next act on the podcast, ty

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Buttree thoughts, Dude, I mean, did some of you guys

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>see on Twitter that after the video we made about

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>that whole thing and saying how dumb his take was

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>on it, that He's like, let me on the podcast

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 2>so I can explain ball to you guys over my

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>dead body. Dude, Not a chance, Nope, no.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh I mean, Brian Wu was definitely pitching up and

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>into Mike Trout to try and exploit his weak spots.

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes pitchers will throw up and in to get

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>guys off the plate who crowded the plate, and there's

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>always risk of hitting the batter. In that case, this

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was baseball, That's what it is.

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Brian Wu was trying to throw a strike at the

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>upper end part of the zone. Yes, he was not

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to hit Mike Trout.

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>No, Usually the Angels are the ones who start these things.

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Well you had to do is wait later in the week.

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh but then you have all their fans saying that

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Mariner's fans are deranged and delusional, et cetera. When you've

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>got Angels fans apparently sending Casey Legamina threats like nice

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 2>going guys, sick. Divish wrote a story on that. It

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>literally said Casey Legamina knew it was waiting for him

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>when he opened his phone after that game on Sunday,

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and and and and Casey said, I don't really read them.

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I just delete them. I just want to ignore them.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.159
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, oh here come, here come all the flurry

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>of threats from Angels fans. Who are the ones calling

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Mariners deranged and calling them delusional, But then here they

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>are sending threats to a picture because he accidentally hit somebody.

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I I don't even know what to say, but okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you must move on to the next one.

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>You must.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>You must have missed Divish writing that yeah it was

0:27:59.560 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I missed it. Yeah, yeah I missed it.

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I didn't see it.

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Some baseball fans are something. We'll just say that. Next

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>question comes from Caid on Patreon. Caid's question is, all right,

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>how many years are we going to keep having the

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>same conversation around this team? Elite pitching, inconsistent offense, and

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone's saying it will just click eventually.

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've said that, guys, well, we do

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.199
<v Speaker 2>think obviously it's only been thirteen games. We know that,

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>but we made it very clear. I think on the

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>last podcast on social media that here's where I think

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of the heads of people are at,

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's totally warranted. Everybody, deep down knows

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>it's early. Deep down, everybody knows that, but nobody, and

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean nobody including us, wants to hear about that.

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear about Oh, don't worry guys, like,

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.479
<v Speaker 2>eventually it'll just fix itself. Whether that's true or not,

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to hear about that. So yes, like, like,

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I understand why people are frustrated and don't want to

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>hear these stories. We don't want to. We don't want

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>to sit here and blow smoke either. But when will

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it change in terms of elite pitching struggling offense. I

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>think your answer is as good as mine on that. Man,

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have a perfect answer.

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I do disagree with part of this question because at

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the end, Kid says, this looks like the same team

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>we've been watching for years, Like we do, only have

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to go back one year to see the exact opposite.

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>The Mariners were four and eight last year, and then

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>what did they do? Lole after they were four and eight?

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well then they finished April on a really good note.

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>They went sixteen and four and had the best offense

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>in baseball in that stretch. So quite literally, that is different.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Now, don't mention June.

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not gonna mention June. And I'm gonna also

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>mention the roster last year was significantly worse than this year.

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>That should give you optimism that things can literally change

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>on a whim. Want to. By the way, there were

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>four and eight after losing a game in twelve innings

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>at home to the Astros in which they scored one run.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I've drew pretty bad after that game.

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And when you say the roster last year was worse,

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you mean at this time last year.

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, correct, At this time last year you had Rowdy Tellez,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you had Donovan Solano, you had pictures hurt. It's not

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>what you want.

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>No. Again, I think everything you just said is true,

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>But I also know fans don't want to hear all

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the coping mechanisms. They just want to know why they're

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>not hitting, And I get it. I think again, two

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>things can be true. It is objectively early in the season,

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>but nobody wants to hear about that. It's early in

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>the season.

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Xander on Patreon. Xander's question is

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>is there a world where we see Colt come up?

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Donovan moved to left field and Randy moved to DH.

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, not tomorrow, not by the end of the weekend,

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>but yes, everybody wonders when Colt comes up? How Is

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>this all gonna maneuver itself to get everybody the right

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>playing time? Seems pretty simple to me. Man Brendan Donovan

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>has played the most games in his career at second

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>base and the second most in left field, where he

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>is a perfectly average defender. Randy and Rosorina is not

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>defending in left field, and Colt Emerson is going to

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>play third base this year with JP Crawford still on

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the team. Seems pretty simple to me. Randy ain't play

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>in the field, or at least not a majority of

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the time unless there's a lefty on the mound, and

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>then you have Colt to third and Donovan and left.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>So when there's a righty on the mound, I think

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what's going to happen. When there's a lefty

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:37.719
<v Speaker 2>on the mound. Sure, then you could see ref Schneider dhing,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and then you could see Randy and left, and maybe

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>then Donovan at third, and maybe Colt gets a day

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>off in that sense stuff like that. But yes, I

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>think that is very real.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Your defense would get better in third and left, that's

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>definite for certain. Are you taking don Canzone off the

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>roster in that case?

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 2>That part I don't know what exactly you do.

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're one of ref Schneider or can Zone

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna be off the roster?

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, sure, Look, when Colt comes up, there has to

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>be a corresponding move. Somebody's going to be off the roster.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>You'd have to cut one of them.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Is Canzone out of options?

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he is. I thought he had one

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>more you can tell me. I thought he had another option.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>He oh, he has two options? Yeah, okay, so don

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Kinzona go to Takoma, right.

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And we'll see how everybody's playing by that time. Because well,

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>right now, if it were to happen tomorrow, which again

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not, but if it were, the move's Connor Joe,

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>who's off the roster because Roblas just got hurt, you're

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>under the assumption all four right fielders are healthy.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, correct, And that's it's realistic.

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in that situation, I don't know what exactly they

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>do by let's say the end of May, because that's

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>when we've predicted he'll get up. We'll see who's hitting

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>by then and who's not, and who the corresponding move is.

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Alex on Patreon asks after seeing the Red Sox double

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>celebration is a cringey Roman Anthony TikTok video. Which mariner

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>is most likely to have an old cringey TikTok video.

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>This is a great question. You've seen that Roman Anthony TikTok, right, Yeah,

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it's bad. Yeah, I mean he's again he's in high school. Which,

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>by the way, what is going on with his arm?

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Was he supposed to have a good.

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Arm, solid enough. Yes, it was not supposed to be

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>like this. He's either got to be hurt or maybe

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>as the yips something.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Fatigue, anything's possible, fatigue in April.

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I never know. Sometimes you sleep on your shoulder funny,

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's just not moving the way it should.

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, you can look at his prospect raids. I

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>think he was supposed to be about a fifty field

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a fifty throw so average, two above average, not like

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>what we've seen in the first week and a half. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>to answer the question, the mariner most likely to have

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>an old TikTok that would go.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, so easy, so easy.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say potentially Julio because he's very I

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know. He's charismatic, he's out there, like I wouldn't

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>be surprised if he had some old dance that resurfaced.

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It's Cole Young, Yes, No, I mean he grew up.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 1>He is the one who grew up in the TikTok

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>era on the roster.

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>But you say that like he's so much younger than Julio.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Julio's twenty five.

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Julio has been I don't know, Julio's been

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>playing professional baseball since Cole Young, before Cole Young was

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in high school.

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Look, Cole Young does have a slightly funny side to him,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and he's definitely got some personality when when you get

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>him going. But I don't know if he would coast TikTok.

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you think would be more likely to do that

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Roman Anthony video in high school? Julio or Cole Young?

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it's now.

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>I will say this, Cole Young and Roman Anthony are

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>solid friends. Maybe the apple doesn't follow that far from

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the tree. Mm hmm.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anyone else because everyone else is

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 1>too old.

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, or I know they say TikTok, but

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>what if it's just some old dance somebody dad again.

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>The video of cal as a kid got resurfaced last year,

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>or it got sent out of him saying that's.

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Not ay TikTok dance.

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>No, but I'm just saying it could be an old video.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:29.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm the home run derby champ.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I actually have my second choice now, Bryce Miller.

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'd buy that one. Actually. Bryce Miller literally has

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a TikTok that's made its rounds. It's that one of

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 2>him in the clubhouse at spring training where he's he

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>does a what does he do? He does a head

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 2>flip roll and then he to the music. You know

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about Right now, there's a TikTok of

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Bryce Miller who's like he's holding he's like lying on

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the ground, he's got his phone out, and then he

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 2>stands up and like rolls over his head essentially.

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I could totally see Bryce with like sunglasses, a

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>cowboy and a cowboy hat, doing that.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why not? No? I like it?

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>And I know, like Bryce like he doesn't really he

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't give a shit, So I could totally totally see

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 1>him doing that.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Not in the sense like he doesn't give a shit

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>about his on field play and his work ethic. No,

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 2>he's an incredibly hard worker. But in the sense of

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 2>like just being charismatic. Yeah, in terms of like himself, yeah,

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Like does Bryce Miller care about what other people think

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of him? No? I don't think at all in that way. No,

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>he does not give a shit. No.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from nerf fan on YouTube, and the

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>question is, with the way the Mariners are performing, do

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>you think the timeline has possibly been sped up for

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>prospects outside of Colt Emerson.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 2>No, because if Colt Emerson's not ready, I don't think

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you're rushing anybody else. We've talked about it with Lads

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>that Lads is going to have to spend at least

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>half of this season in Double A again before he

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>even gets moved up to Tacoma, and he has to

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>prove his strikeout rate can be manageable, Like, he has

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 2>got to strike out somewhere at least in the mid

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty percent. He cannot be striking out thirty two percent

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>of the time like he did last year. Michael Arroyo

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>again similar to like, needs a little more time. Could

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>he get up this year? Yes, but I don't think

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>it's been rushed the prospects you're most likely to see

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>here the two pitchers and Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan. But

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>those guys same thing. It wouldn't be till later in

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the summer.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>There's no glaring need from those guys on the Mariner's roster.

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>To bring it back to Jared Kelnick, there was a

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>glaring need for offense when they rushed him to the

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>big leagues. The four guys I think of in this

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 1>case are Las Michael Arroyo, Kate Anderson, and Ryan Sloan.

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Do the Mariners have a pressing need in any for

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>any of those players on the roster. The answer to

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that question is no, unless you want to throw one

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of those guys in the bullpen. I don't think that's

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>pressing enough to rush them to the big leagues, right, No,

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Michael Arroyo and Las Montes. When to have like a

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>one to seventy w orc plus in double A for

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>them the Marriners even to think about rushing them to

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the big leagues. Next question comes from uh use. The

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>name starts with French on YouTube, and the question is

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>who would have expected Cole Young to be the Mariner's

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>best player thirteen games in.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Hey, We're also a Cole Young podcast. We can put

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.240
<v Speaker 2>our hands up for Cole Young. No, I'm I'm kidding.

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we expect Cole Young's mom. Sure, I

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 2>don't think we expected Cole Young to be the best

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>player through two weeks. But again, I think I was

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>pretty confident that he would take some strides forward. So

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm thrilled to see that he's doing that. I'm thrilled

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>to see that he's been hitting lefties. But no, I

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody predicted this for Cole Young to be

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the best player through two weeks, because again, for him

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to do that, it means that the middle of your

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:52.399
<v Speaker 2>order is ice ice, ice cold, and that's what they've been.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Two things can be independently true. It's great for Cole

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and bad for the team that this is true.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair. Uh, by the way I looked

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 2>it up. Before you get to the next question, let

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 2>me preface it by saying it's only been five games

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>so far, but as we currently sit, Las Montes is

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>walking just under sixteen percent of the time in double

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>A pretty good. He is striking out just shy of

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 2>fifty three percent of the time. Oh yeah, it's only

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>been five games. Yeah, but but through nineteen played appearances,

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>his strikeout rate is fifty two point six percent.

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is just an organizational thing, because there's another

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>really glaring strikeout metric that helped bring up beer in

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit related to one of these questions, might be, uh,

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>might be a bit of an org thing right now.

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Against lads has played five games this year. I'm not

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm not gonna lose lose any sleep yet. But again,

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 2>he has to cut the strikeout rates down. For everybody

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>that loves seeing the home runs on social media when

0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 2>they get posted, they're great. But I would go on

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>fangrafts pretty regularly and be checking his walk right and

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>checking a strikeout rate, because if you want to know

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 2>what's going to get him called up, those two things

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Blake asks.

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Is the team swing speed actually down? And is this

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a coaching move to try and increase average over slugging.

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 2>We talked about this a decent bit on Wednesday's podcast,

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and just to summarize it again, there's no way to

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>know for sure that it's a philosophy change. We would

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>have to ask around more. Other people would have to

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>ask around more to get a definitive answer on it.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>We can try. We'll certainly try and talk to some people.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 2>But are the bat speeds down? Yes, like all the

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 2>numbers show that, so.

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, TBD. The numbers do bear out that their bat

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>speeds are down. But I think we also need to

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>see some more games as well to get an idea

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>whether this team is just bat offensively or they're going

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.399
<v Speaker 1>through a bad stretch, which both could be true. Next

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>question comes from almost on Twitter, and the question is

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 1>when do you think the mayor are going to hit

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>some switch and go back to the Mariners we all

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>know and love. I'm just gonna jump out and answer

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>this question. This is as Mariners as on brand Mariners

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>right now, as humanly possible. Yes, this is the Mariners

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>we know in love.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Take you back to twenty fifteen, expectations as high as

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>humanly possible. They won less than eighty games that year.

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Next aout, How about this July.

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 2>That's when it'll happen. They'll still win ninety plus games,

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>they'll win the West. But is there a possibility they

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>could just drive everybody crazy until the middle of the year. Yeah, possible.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I hope not. I certainly hope not. But it's possible.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>It can be. Like the twenty twenty three team, the

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>team that we declared the most five hundred team of

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>all time, there was a point in like the middle

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 1>of the season the Mariners had been five exactly five

0:41:56.400 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen times insane insane stat Next question comes

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>from Shane. This is also also a good one. Honestly,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>what has bothered me most with Seattle fans is is

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>there no faith or loyalty?

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Now, I think there's faith and loyalty, and I think

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>it's been tested beyond belief in the last twenty five.

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Years, twenty five fifty years.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Well okay, I was thinking about the drought and then

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 2>missing the playoffs in twenty three and twenty four.

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>But yes, I mean we could add in the fact

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>they were worse before the nineties.

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Yet the Mirror's crowd wise usually draw in the top

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>half of the league every year, Like there are butts

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and seats at these games, even when people are tested,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.439
<v Speaker 2>even when things aren't going well compared to the rest

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>of the league, they actually average out okay in terms

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>of attendance.

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say loyalty is not a question. I

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>think just because people are angry about how the team

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 1>is playing right now does not mean not loyal. I

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 1>think honestly, it might mean they're even more loyal and

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>they're people eventually just want a good thing to be

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>good for a while. There's a lot of us, we're

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the perfect demographic for this, who have never seen a

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Mariners team that is good from start to finish. I

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 1>think that's what people want. I also everyone else in

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>baseball gets it. Why can't we get it?

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Correct? I also think, and I'm not blaming anybody for

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>doing this, we do it all the time, all the time.

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 2>But this is what happens when you spend too much

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>time on Twitter and feel like there's a potentially a

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>lack of loyalty, because like when you get your your

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 2>mass opinion from Twitter, you're gonna see a lot of negative.

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Matt on Twitter. He asks, what's

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the problem with bringing up Colt right now to get

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a desperately needed jolt on offense and defense.

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, we talked about this pre recording fire away teach.

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Colt Emerson and Tacoma right now has one twelve of

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>RC plus and today he had another good game offensively,

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>but he is currently in Tacoma is striking out thirty

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>two percent of the time and walking two point seven

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 1>percent of the time. That is not feasible at the

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>big league level. So Colt Emerson will be staying down

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:23.240
<v Speaker 1>in Tacoma until he gets those numbers closer to each other.

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Again, guys like twenty and ten again, Guys, I know

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 2>it's enticing. I know you want to see them. We

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>want to see them too. But if everybody can just

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 2>get in their head expect Memorial Day or slightly later,

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I think we as a society, as Mariners fans, will

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 2>be able to be in at a little bit of

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>a better headspace. It's not gonna solve all the losing issues, right,

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like, again, I'm not saying having a different mindset

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.280
<v Speaker 2>with Colt Emerson is going to make the entire situation

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>feel better and where the record stands. But if you

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 2>can just accept, Okay, Colt Emerson's gonna be up Memorial

0:44:56.200 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Day or later, lock that in, everybody can digest it

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.879
<v Speaker 2>a little bit easier. Instead of always asking where's Colt,

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Where's Colt? Where's Colt? Just try and say that to

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 2>yourself Memorial Day later. For Colt Emerson Memorial Day or June.

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>What that is telling me is that he does not

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>have control of the triple A strike zone yet. And

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 1>if he's not controlling Triple A pitching, then he's definitely

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be controlling major league pitching at this moment.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>And if you were to bring him up, so we say,

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>with all prospects, he would disappoint you. Prospects have never

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>disappointed you ever, So if Colt Emerson's gonna come up

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 1>at this point, he is going to disappoint you. And

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't want that for Colt. I want him to

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>only impress when he comes up to the big leagues.

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>This is why so many people love Laz. Laz Is

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 2>never disappointed because most people just see the big home

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 2>runs and the crazy power. If he was in the

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:50.959
<v Speaker 2>big leagues, I don't think, especially right now. Maybe one again,

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>one day, he could absolutely figure it out, But right now,

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you want to see that version of

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Las Montes. It's the same thing with Colt. Jared Keelnick,

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 2>we spent fifteen minutes at the start of this podcast,

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and you remember what happened to him when he got

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 2>called up too early. Don't do that to Cole. You

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 2>need him to be your shortstop for ten plus years

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>and one of the better players on your team, potentially

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the better players in baseball. Let him be ready.

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Let him be ready so he never has to go back.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Dustin has a statement, The slump in my mind is

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>because you didn't improve the team you brought back the

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 1>majority of you brought back almost everybody. Am I wrong?

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.839
<v Speaker 2>Look? Man Church was on with us before the start

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>of the season and said something similar. He was lower

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 2>on the Mariners and their win total than everybody because

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 2>he said they were still multiple bats short. The Mariners

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>went and retained a lot of their own guys, which

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>is great. It helps him keep the core of that

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:47.399
<v Speaker 2>team together that they had last year through the run

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of the playoffs. But Sarah argument, they were multiple bats short,

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes it was. It was not a locked in solution

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 2>in right field. It was not a locked in solution

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>at say their base at least before you trade it

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>for Donovan right like, like, you know, it's not un

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>locked in situation at DH.

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Sure, but that's not the reason they stink right now.

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>No, the reason they're not hitting is because everybody is

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>collectively struggling. But just remember, just if this continues, just

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 2>remember what Churchill said. He said, like the Mariners were

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>multiple bats short in the offseason.

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>That would rear its head in the postseason, I would imagine,

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 1>or down the stretch in big series, not in April,

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>when your best players are bad, When your best players

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>are your worst players, that's why you're slumping. I disagree

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>with that statement. Look, the team last year made the ALCS.

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>They were good. Like the team is still right now,

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.919
<v Speaker 1>very good, and they're very talented. Are they perfect? No

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 1>they're not. They're not perfect, But I don't see that.

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Look, they're odds to win the World Series. Are still

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in the top three to five across all the odds makers. Yes,

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>of course this is a good team, and we've and

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 2>we've kept that statement true. I'm just saying, if this continues,

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I just remember what Churchill said, and yes, all these

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>stars are gonna figure it out. Of course they are.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But just let's just see what the offense looks like

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 2>by mid season and see, Okay, is this a good

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 2>enough offense or did they need more bats? I don't

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>think we know for sure. One way or another time

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 2>will tell.

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Here's a deep philosophical question. Rex asks did God make

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>me a Mariners fan because he hates me? Or is

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>me being a die hard lifelong Mariners fan proof that

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>there is no God at all?

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Now we're getting philosophical. People want to have us answer

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 2>religion questions. This is like that clip of one of

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 2>our favorites, Frank the Tank, when he gets asked, Frank,

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>do you think God exists? And Franco's yes, and I

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 2>believe he hates the Mets. It could be true. Maybe

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>God hates the Mariners.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Could be I will leave this up to everybody. They

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 1>can make the decision on this one. I think that's

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 1>fair and whatever you want to believe, you can believe.

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think there's a wide range of opinions on that.

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Seawolf, and the question is would

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners consider trading Emerson Hancock if it brought us,

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:14.919
<v Speaker 1>brought the Mariners back a leverage reliever.

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 2>As sad as, I would be legitimately heartbroken. I mean,

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not impossible, right. If Emerson keeps pitching like this

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and keeps upping his value, the Mariners are going to

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 2>have to make some decisions at some point, because if

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Emerson proves he is a legit difference making big league

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 2>starter over some real stretch of time. Then you've got

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Logan Gilbert Brian wu George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Luis Castillo,

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and Emerson Hancock six legit big league starters, with Kate

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Anderson and Ryan Sloan waiting in the wings. At some

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.320
<v Speaker 2>point you're gonna have to make some decisions with your rotation.

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Is that the craziest idea in the world. No, I

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>certainly hope it doesn't happen again. I will be heartbroken.

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 2>But as the logic behind me, that thinking somewhat sound. Yeah,

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it sound.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get super specific with this question because the

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>wording is what the Mariners consider Emerson Hancock for a

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 1>high leverage reliever. No, they would trade Emerson Hancock for

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a package that might include a reliever. But if Emeron

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Sin's as good as he's shown and he truly has changed,

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.479
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners know the value of that, and I don't

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 1>think a leverage reliever is the return they would would want.

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh so, now you're getting into the specifics of the

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 2>actual return, and you mean they'd probably want a young

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Bat or another young arm et cetera, along with the reliever.

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there would not trade a controllable, good major league

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:46.760
<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher for a reliever.

0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not one for one at least no, Yeah.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.280
<v Speaker 1>No, a reliever is part of the return.

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what do you think about his overall thinking

0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of is he, unfortunately for this podcast, potentially on the

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 2>table if this keeps happening with the logjam they'd have

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:04.840
<v Speaker 2>of starters.

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're gonna try to trade him, no,

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 1>because I don't like unfortunately how it is they have

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>guys in this rotation they will trade before Emerson Hancock

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>who are closer to free agency and more expensive.

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah again again which like, yeah, ultimately you're right, they

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 2>will not be looking to ship them out of town.

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>No way, especially if he keeps pitching like this because

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:33.879
<v Speaker 2>he is very controllable. But it does continue to bring

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.759
<v Speaker 2>up again, man, do things get interesting if Emerson just

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 2>keeps pitching, Well, how does this all shake out? Especially

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>if this keeps going on into the summer, It is

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna be very very interesting.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Alex on Instagram. What's the best

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>case scenario for the MS at the end of April?

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just gonna get right to the answer to

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 1>this question twenty two to nine.

0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 2>They went out, how about five games over five hundred?

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that works well because that the rest of

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 2>the way, Well, if they're four and nine, you're saying

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>they win eighteen straight, right, so they have eighteen more games.

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 2>So if they're four and nine to be five over,

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>they would have to win like what they'd have to

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:22.759
<v Speaker 2>be like thirteen. God, I'm such a dumbass. I can't

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.040
<v Speaker 2>do math again. We went to Asu. Whatever five games over.

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Is they they would lose. They would go fourteen and

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.359
<v Speaker 1>four to be five z over.

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's a really good stretch. Man.

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Do'll be what they did last year essentially?

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 2>So that is what feels like best case scenario.

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Luke on Instagram asks what's gonna happen if the Mariners

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>lose another series? Is the lineup gonna get blown up?

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Like your guy's gonna get traded, no, or moved down.

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine that any of cal Julio and Naylor

0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 2>are gonna just get moved down, because like, where do

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 2>they go all of a sudden, You're gonna have those

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.239
<v Speaker 2>guys hit six, seventh and eighth. I have a hard

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 2>time believing that.

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 1>It would have to be struggling into July for these

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>guys to get moved down, or June. They might not

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 1>wait three whole months, Like if Cal's slugging three hundred

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and hitting one twenty with no home runs into June,

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get moved down in the lineup. Yeah, but

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>another series, No, They're gonna stay right where they are.

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from just Riley on Instagram, scale of

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>one to ten. How word are you guys through the

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>first four series.

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Honestly taking truths, tore them and not overplaying this? Two?

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe three? It's hard to really have much of a

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 2>concern level through thirteen games.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm an a three.

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay it she looks great as it should. I think

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.919
<v Speaker 2>that's about right. I don't think you can be much

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>more concerned than that. Check back with us at the

0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 2>end of April. About that.

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Hunter on Instagram asks how many more series losses need

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to happen before we see a shake up and management?

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean this is similar to the question earlier right

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 2>about is there any way for an end season adjustment

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>or like with Dan Wilson, or how do the decisions

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 2>get better? Isn't it a certain isn't essentially a similar question,

0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:24.520
<v Speaker 2>which the answer would be, I think things would have

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>to go very south right.

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, June. We would need to see multiple bad months

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 1>with bad decision making to realize that something needs to

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>change here. It's similar to the lineup question. They would

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>give a time if they're thinking like higher management than

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that with Jerry or Justin like that would need to

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>be made in July if that were the case. But

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's going to be the case because

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I think they did their job this year.

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 2>They did and again and not just with the big

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 2>league roster again, the farm system is in such a

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.680
<v Speaker 2>great place, as good as ever. They continue to draft great.

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>They just made the playoffs that that wouldn't happen with

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Dan Wilson. You're right, they would have to be into

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 2>June and really be losing. They would have to be

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 2>what eight to ten games under five hundred in June.

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:15.120
<v Speaker 1>In last place. Yeah, and not only are they bad

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.880
<v Speaker 1>like they would, the vibes would be really bad like

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:20.439
<v Speaker 1>there were. You would feel the media pressure, there would

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:24.359
<v Speaker 1>be bad decisions getting made. That that would is what

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 1>would need to happen.

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Two more Vinnie asks on Instagram. Is it too early

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>for an etsy witch?

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It's never too early for an Etsy witch. Vinnie I

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>paid a Etsy witch to try and get Kyle Tucker

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to the Mariners. Didn't work, but I tried.

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Did you need your money back? By the way, No,

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw in the description that the wit if it

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't come true, you get refunded.

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I should probably work on that.

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it expired. Things have a return policy expiration.

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Dude, you know how much fucking money I spent on.

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>That nine dollars?

0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 2>That was seven? Yeah, Well that's what Kyle Tucker's worth

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 2>to me.

0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll close it out with Nenslow on Instagram. Where is

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Wisdom? We need someone who can catch lightning in

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a bottle, not a guy.

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, we did just post a clip about this here

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 2>on Thursday, and we talked about it on Wednesday's podcast.

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.839
<v Speaker 2>That's not a viable solution Patrick Wisdom. I know he's

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.359
<v Speaker 2>got seven homers down in Tacoma and he started red hot.

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:37.200
<v Speaker 2>But those stories of the journeyman big leaguers who are

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.479
<v Speaker 2>crushing it in the PCL or crushing it in triple A,

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 2>very very rarely do you ever hear about those guys

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 2>getting up and long term helping the offense.

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's make a comparison to help out the people. Is

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Mike Ford gonna save the Mariners offense? No?

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and that man was just destroying baseball's in Tacoma.

0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he had something like an elevens something like that.

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 1>When Patrick Wisdom feel a little bit like Mike Ford, Yes, okay,

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>And I know people hate the streakiness of this offense

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.879
<v Speaker 1>to the fact they strike out a ton and they

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>right now don't walk enough. Patrick Wisdom's not going to

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>help you with that. In fact, he's gonna make it worse.

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Mike Ford in twenty twenty three and Tacoma had a

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>ten thirty one ops.

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 1>That's he was crushing.

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:24.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And also, where's Patrick Wisdom going to play? Whose job

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is he taking Brendan Donovan's, I mean Snaylor's the Oh,

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:33.520
<v Speaker 1>that's where he plays well.

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 2>The only ways that could have happened were either he

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:38.919
<v Speaker 2>was going to come up instead of Connor Joe, which

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the Mariners valued Joe's versatility and his ability

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 2>to move to other positions a little bit more, or

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 2>when Donovan had the scare in Anaheim when he stepped

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 2>on first base. Funny, if he had had to go

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to the IL maybe that would have been a ten

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.480
<v Speaker 2>day solution at third base because they didn't want to

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 2>bring up Colt Emerson yet and they would have brought

0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>up Wisdom. That's about it.

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't see where he gets reps now, So why

0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:03.919
<v Speaker 1>are you going them out?

0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 1>You know who I'd rather be at that position, Cole

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to Emerson, Well not yet, no, not yet. But I

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:12.640
<v Speaker 1>also don't want to call Patrick Wisdom.

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. There you have it. That closes

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<v Speaker 2>our mega mail bag, our second one ever. Honestly, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to do more during the year when the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners come off a just atrocious series. I think that'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a chance for a mega mail bag pretty often

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<v Speaker 2>because instead of actually wasting time talking about a series

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<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to hear about, well, just answer everybody's questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe more stories next time too, who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, we got stories, We can tell stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was fun, guys. Hopefully we helped with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the coping of getting through the week. I know

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna hate it, but I I'm in the

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<v Speaker 1>camp right now that it is early. They're playing terribly

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<v Speaker 1>but it is technically it is early.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, think about ninety five percent of the people or

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent with you. There'll be a few crazy

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<v Speaker 2>people out there that legitimately think it's over. Ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the people know that's somewhere deep down in

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<v Speaker 2>their hearts. It's just nobody wants to hear about it now.

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<v Speaker 1>The team is not fun to watch. That we can all.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree on right now, Not right now, they're not no,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, good stuff. That just about wraps up

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