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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Thursday day, evening, April ninth. Lyle,
Speaker 1: did the Mariners score run since we last recorded?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, how many runs have they scored this week?
Speaker 2: That would be three? Three total runs in how many games? Oh?
Speaker 2: That'd be three games? Oh, Oh, listen, we have a
Speaker 2: loaded mail bag for people. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: of you guys were listening to the podcast we did
Speaker 2: after the Raise series last September, where it was just
Speaker 2: as bad as possible, But we did a mega mail
Speaker 2: bag we called it where we just took a ton
Speaker 2: of questions from a ton of people, ripped through a
Speaker 2: ton of answers and it was really fun. Rather than
Speaker 2: doing so much deep diving on every question, we were
Speaker 2: just hitting a bunch of them. I think that's what
Speaker 2: we're gonna do today because spoiler, nobody wants to hear
Speaker 2: us talk about that shitty ass series and shitty ass
Speaker 2: road trip for that matter.
Speaker 1: It was bad, worst start since two thousand elevee and
Speaker 1: that was a good year, right They rebounded?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah great. I mean, seriously, we were this close
Speaker 2: on Wednesday from getting to use that Bob Uker clip
Speaker 2: from Major League where he looks at the box score.
Speaker 2: It's like and Cleveland has one hit, that's all. We've
Speaker 2: got one goddamn hit, Because the Marators had two hits
Speaker 2: on Wednesday and we were one off from getting.
Speaker 1: To use that, and we we tweeted out our first
Speaker 1: meme of the year or post on our Instagram first
Speaker 1: losing meme of the year. It's it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this was the worst game. No, no, no, it's the
Speaker 1: worst game so far this season.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the Simpsons movie? Yes, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say that, it's it's been a long time, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where it's from.
Speaker 2: Homer comes and picks up Bart, and Bart's like, this
Speaker 2: is the worst day of my life, and Homer goes,
Speaker 2: worst day of your life so far.
Speaker 1: Next one that gets posted will be the thank you
Speaker 1: Fans graphic.
Speaker 2: That one's always a banger. Have you noticed that the
Speaker 2: Mariners and honestly other teams out there too, have stopped
Speaker 2: tweeting that at the end of the year they do
Speaker 2: something else now too late, we.
Speaker 1: Got one, we got one of them saved.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think teams started to realize that just
Speaker 2: gets memed every year now, so they stop tweeting that.
Speaker 1: Well, we will certainly touch on every topic you think
Speaker 1: you wanted us to talk about in this episode regarding
Speaker 1: the Mariners, of like concerns you have, any sort of
Speaker 1: like niche questions will be answered in this mail bag.
Speaker 1: We have over twenty mailbag questions, so I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna hit on every single topic possible. A reminder, do you,
Speaker 1: guys before we get into this mail bag. If you
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Speaker 2: I'll give everybody another incentive since we take any questions
Speaker 2: on any topics and are just total diabolical Mariners fans. Again,
Speaker 2: we get into the weeds with this stuff. Think about this.
Speaker 2: While the rest of the sports media world is currently
Speaker 2: spending this week talking all about Mike Rabel and Diana Russini,
Speaker 2: we're gonna spend a Thursday episode in the middle of
Speaker 2: April talking about potential ex wobas from a Mariner's utility player.
Speaker 1: And I'll raise you one even better. As we get
Speaker 1: into our first mailbag question, we're gonna talk about a
Speaker 1: former Mariners prospect who's now one of the worst players
Speaker 1: in Triple A. Lyle floated it out there on when
Speaker 1: Wednesday's episode, saying, if we got enough people asking us
Speaker 1: about Jared Kelnick, we tell some Jared Kelnick stories on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Because we got so many of them, Lyle,
Speaker 1: We're gonna lead off the mailbag with it. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be one person asking this question. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of questions from this Tolile take it away, Flora's yours.
Speaker 2: I will say this, a lot of these questions throughout
Speaker 2: the episode will be rapid fire because we're gonna try
Speaker 2: to get through a lot. This one we will spend
Speaker 2: a little more time on because I didn't know what
Speaker 2: the response was gonna be from people. I didn't know
Speaker 2: if a lot of people had just moved on from
Speaker 2: Jared Kellnick and just felt like it was a non
Speaker 2: story at this point. No, we got a lot of
Speaker 2: response from a lot of people saying, Oh, I'm interested
Speaker 2: to hear what you guys have to say about it,
Speaker 2: So I guess there is still interest.
Speaker 1: This is where it relates back to the megamailbag from
Speaker 1: the end of last year before the Mariners went on
Speaker 1: their run. People don't want to hear about the actual
Speaker 1: Mariners team. They want to think about a different Mariners team,
Speaker 1: like the twenty twenty one to two or three Mariners,
Speaker 1: or in the case of the end of last year,
Speaker 1: it's a hypothetical Mariners team.
Speaker 2: It just breaks my heart with Jared Man it does.
Speaker 2: And getting into some of these stories I think will
Speaker 2: further detail why to give people a little bit of
Speaker 2: context who haven't seen Jared Klnick's with the White Sox
Speaker 2: organization this year. He didn't make the team out of
Speaker 2: big league camp, which is a tough scene in its
Speaker 2: own right when you're not making the White Sox big
Speaker 2: league roster. But now he's in Charlotte, and while it's
Speaker 2: only been eight games and he could turn things around
Speaker 2: through eight games, he is a three thirty two ops
Speaker 2: in Triple A.
Speaker 1: Oo. Yeah, it's not very good. No.
Speaker 2: So what we said on Wednesday's podcast is a lot
Speaker 2: of people failed Jared Kelnick. Obviously it's ultimately on the
Speaker 2: player to make the most of their career, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people really failed him. There's the stuff that's
Speaker 2: already public out there, which we can start with. Number One,
Speaker 2: I will never not be convinced that the COVID season
Speaker 2: totally warped his development.
Speaker 1: Is that fair because that was his age twenty season
Speaker 1: in which he would have gotten another season of development,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have been up at the big leagues
Speaker 1: right away. He would have spent maybe two months of
Speaker 1: that season in Double A, he would have got some
Speaker 1: seasoning in Triple A, and he would have debuted as
Speaker 1: a Mariner at age He would have been twenty one
Speaker 1: at this point in the second half of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty season, but he would have had a regular spring training.
Speaker 1: He would have had regular progression within the minor leagues
Speaker 1: at the Double A level and then the Triple A level,
Speaker 1: and then he would have gotten sort of what Cole
Speaker 1: Emerson is gonna get this year. The Mariners are not
Speaker 1: going to rush Cole Emerson too the big leagues. In
Speaker 1: that case, in twenty twenty, the Mariners would have still
Speaker 1: been rebuilding. They treated that year still as another rebuild
Speaker 1: year instead of as kind of an in between like
Speaker 1: they were in twenty twenty one when Jared did debut,
Speaker 1: So it would have been a little bit of a
Speaker 1: softer landing into the big leagues for Jared Kelnick if
Speaker 1: he had a normal prospect progression in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Instead, there was no season. There was no minor league season,
Speaker 2: so guys like Kelnick did not get to play real games.
Speaker 2: They had to take a bunch of live at that
Speaker 2: in summer camp. And then, if you remember, in addition
Speaker 2: to that, the first month of the minor league season
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one was canned. The minor league season
Speaker 2: didn't start till May that year because there was still
Speaker 2: a bunch of labor negotiations going on.
Speaker 1: If I remember right, they didn't want to pay the
Speaker 1: minor leaguers, right, That's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So from September of twenty nineteen until May of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Jery Kalmick was not playing in real
Speaker 2: affiliated baseball games. Think about how long that is. That
Speaker 2: is insane. You're getting close to two years now.
Speaker 1: The development of that is tough to rebound from, and
Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of that with the twenty twenty draft,
Speaker 1: which has been really hit or miss with a lot
Speaker 1: of these prospects. Their development is unlike any draft classes
Speaker 1: development that has happened in MOB history.
Speaker 2: You haven't heard much from Austin Martin or Ace Lace
Speaker 2: these days, that's for sure. Those guys were top five picks.
Speaker 1: Now, Ace Lacey never made the big leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is he still pitching? Is he still in the minors?
Speaker 2: I'm guessing maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: Pitching her Well, he as Lacey got to professional baseball
Speaker 1: and was never good unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Anyway, There is that aspect of it when I say
Speaker 2: people failed him again. The other part of this this
Speaker 2: is public is the Mariners failed him. I know there
Speaker 2: was a bunch of outside noise about getting him on
Speaker 2: the team that year, but the Mariners did not do
Speaker 2: right by him, in addition to all the time he
Speaker 2: missed between COVID and the first month of the season
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, the Mariners yanked him up after
Speaker 2: six games at twenty one years old, after almost a
Speaker 2: year and a half off put him at the top
Speaker 2: of the lineup, asked them to save the offense because
Speaker 2: they had a bad offseason. They weren't getting butts and
Speaker 2: seats and they they needed a savior, and they put
Speaker 2: unfair expectations on a twenty one year old who was
Speaker 2: not fully developed yet.
Speaker 1: M M and as will be a theme with this
Speaker 1: answer to this question. Jared didn't process failure very well,
Speaker 1: so to put a prospect who had just taken essentially
Speaker 1: a year and a half off from playing real baseball games,
Speaker 1: give him six games in Triple A and then present
Speaker 1: him with the biggest challenge of his life right away,
Speaker 1: and then he fails instantly and it doesn't work. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work for the meritors. It doesn't work for Jared
Speaker 1: either in that situation. Given right off the bat, he
Speaker 1: had a historic over that had him get sent back
Speaker 1: to the minors, right and it was an over forty
Speaker 1: one over thirty nine something like that.
Speaker 2: It was bad and that was the story, right in
Speaker 2: addition to all the Kevin Mathers stuff that was out
Speaker 2: there that year. It was not a good offseason. They
Speaker 2: didn't add much because they were still trying to just
Speaker 2: focus on the young core, but it didn't lead to
Speaker 2: a team being rolled out that was all that competitive,
Speaker 2: especially early on. The offense was non existent, especially through
Speaker 2: the first six weeks.
Speaker 1: Which it's funny why they called him up. If the
Speaker 1: mindset of the season and they approached it this way
Speaker 1: at the deadline, the mindset of the season was develop right,
Speaker 1: and what they did with Jared was not developed at all.
Speaker 1: It was quite the opposite.
Speaker 2: It really, looking back on it, doesn't We'll both put
Speaker 2: our hands up right here saying that we wanted Jared
Speaker 2: Kellennick up in the big leagues at that point.
Speaker 1: We were sorely mistaken. It was the wrong decision. We
Speaker 1: were not thinking clearly.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were in our boat with that.
Speaker 2: Now there's the part of it that we've just heard
Speaker 2: enough times and we've collected stories that we're going to
Speaker 2: share it with you. I don't think a lot of
Speaker 2: this is out there, maybe not that I've ever noticed.
Speaker 2: But when we say people failed him, we talked about
Speaker 2: the Mariners, we talked about the last season. Things we've heard, Man,
Speaker 2: is his dad sounded like a nightmare. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be totally real. So his family built baseball facilities in Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: and they were always always super invested in baseball and
Speaker 2: their kids baseball, clearly to the point where they're they're
Speaker 2: building baseball facilities out there. But man, we heard enough
Speaker 2: times some stories about that. To have his dad and
Speaker 2: his ear all the time sounded pretty toxic. We would
Speaker 2: hear stories constantly that when Jared would have a day
Speaker 2: where he'd, let's hypothetically say, went two for four with
Speaker 2: a home run when he'd talked to his dad, which
Speaker 2: sounded like a lot. And his dad was very, very,
Speaker 2: very involved with his career, including when he was in
Speaker 2: the big leagues. When it's you know, it's not your
Speaker 2: dad as the coach anymore. There's a big league team
Speaker 2: here trying to develop you. His dad's in his ear constantly,
Speaker 2: whether it was on the phone, whether it was games
Speaker 2: he traveled out to in person, saying not nice home run,
Speaker 2: not way to have a game tonight, it was why
Speaker 2: did you strike out in the fifth inning. It wasn't
Speaker 2: that he went two for four and had a couple
Speaker 2: of hit His dad was all focused on, well, why'd
Speaker 2: you strike out? What happened? Like? Why you strike it out? Like?
Speaker 2: And a mindset like like, a mindset like that and
Speaker 2: a relationship like that is not something that just starts
Speaker 2: when you become a big leaguer. That seems like it's
Speaker 2: something that clearly was a thing over a long period
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not a very healthy way to think
Speaker 1: about baseball, because baseball, as any coach would have told
Speaker 1: you growing up, as a game of failure. You need
Speaker 1: to be okay failing if you're going to play baseball
Speaker 1: like that mindset right there does not allow for failure,
Speaker 1: and that's it's impossible for the game that it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, especially imagine being twenty one years old. Forget
Speaker 2: all of the adjusting to the big league side of it.
Speaker 2: Just where your mindset and prefrontal cortexas as a twenty
Speaker 2: one year old kid. I mean, we're just at asu
Speaker 2: like going out to the bars with our friends. At
Speaker 2: twenty one years old. He's got the weight of a
Speaker 2: city on him. At twenty one years old, he's not
Speaker 2: fully developed, and that's not enough to deal with. Like
Speaker 2: you've got somebody who's supposed to be one of the
Speaker 2: one of your biggest supporters, but insteadies in your ear.
Speaker 2: It's essentially sounding like in some ways, whether he meant
Speaker 2: to or not, he's like your biggest hater, is your
Speaker 2: biggest critic all the time. And even when he was
Speaker 2: successful in high school and through the minors and when
Speaker 2: he was on the showcase trying to get drafted. You know,
Speaker 2: if all you hear is the negative about the couple
Speaker 2: of bats where you get out versus the oh, you
Speaker 2: just had a four hundred something foot bomb, Like I
Speaker 2: can mess with the mindset of somebody a lot. Imagine
Speaker 2: hearing that at sixteen seventeen, when again it's becoming pretty
Speaker 2: clear he's going to be a high draft pick. But
Speaker 2: to have somebody in your ear at a time like
Speaker 2: that of your life when you're a teenager and you're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out a lot, like why are you
Speaker 2: striking out in this one a bat of a showcase
Speaker 2: in game two of a fifth inning when you probably
Speaker 2: went ten for twelve, but you struck out once. It's
Speaker 2: a lot to handle, man, And I can't imagine that's
Speaker 2: the healthiest way for a player to go through his
Speaker 2: baseball career.
Speaker 1: And then add in the fact that once Jared got
Speaker 1: to the big leagues, this was the first time he
Speaker 1: had really failed in his entire life. Twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: He had been the best player for a long, long,
Speaker 1: long time, and people have been telling him that he's
Speaker 1: the best over and over and over and for some people,
Speaker 1: and this is not the most shocking thing. You need
Speaker 1: to learn to deal with failure because it's something you
Speaker 1: quite literally have not had to deal with ever. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it all happens at once,
Speaker 1: and there is not the proper mechanisms in place to
Speaker 1: support that failure.
Speaker 2: Right, he's in the middle of that over forty slump
Speaker 2: to start his big league career, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: already enough on him when he's already so wound up
Speaker 2: tight the way he is. But then again, you have
Speaker 2: his dad, probably in his ear, saying, you keep pressing,
Speaker 2: you're swinging and missing, you're chasing, Like I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: my parents doing that to me, Not in little league,
Speaker 2: not in high school, none of it, certainly not if
Speaker 2: I was a big leaguer.
Speaker 1: And then what about the team around him too, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to that twenty twenty one roster, and
Speaker 1: this is obviously with I'm saying this from someone with
Speaker 1: no information on this, but I'm just looking at the
Speaker 1: way the roster is laid out. It's not a very
Speaker 1: established roster, because this roster had been picked apart over
Speaker 1: the course of the last two years to where there's
Speaker 1: not a ton of established long term mariners that you
Speaker 1: would say are entrenched in leadership positions. The two guys
Speaker 1: you would think of are Mitch Hanneger and Kyle Seeger.
Speaker 1: And we could say this for at least one of
Speaker 1: these two guys because he made this very public. Kyle
Speaker 1: Seger was pretty disgruntled at this point and was not
Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Mariners organization. I don't know
Speaker 1: how he was as a leader to somebody like Jared Kellenick.
Speaker 1: Like when I remember when Kyle Seger came off the
Speaker 1: field at the end of the twenty one season, Jared
Speaker 1: had some tears in his eyes, So there's clearly some
Speaker 1: connection there, But like what kind of I don't think
Speaker 1: the leadership of that twenty one team compares to what
Speaker 1: this group in last year and this current year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six had, Where I say, it's a healthier
Speaker 1: team construct for a young player to come in and
Speaker 1: fail and have the support around him.
Speaker 2: For sure, it is not the same leadership from that
Speaker 2: team as it now is with this team. I'll tell
Speaker 2: I'll tell one other story, which again I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think is really out there, although if you talk
Speaker 2: to people and are around the game much, it's it's
Speaker 2: not the world's best kept secret. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's been written about or anything. When Jared got
Speaker 2: sent down to the minor leagues, it was either the
Speaker 2: first or second time. There's a story. We've heard from
Speaker 2: enough different people that he was so furious after a
Speaker 2: strikeout wants in Tacoma that he goes into the Rainiers
Speaker 2: clubhouse and with a bat essentially breaks every single toilet
Speaker 2: in that clubhouse, like one by one, smashed it, smashed it,
Speaker 2: smashed it, like complete meltdown, like insanity. I'm sure he
Speaker 2: had to pay for it. Some of you are probably
Speaker 2: gonna hear that story and laugh and say, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's insane. Some of you are probably gonna hear that
Speaker 2: story and say, well, this is why the Mariners got
Speaker 2: rid of him. He couldn't figure it out mentally. I
Speaker 2: hear a story like that, and truly, like I said
Speaker 2: at the start of this, I really just I feel
Speaker 2: so bad for him. There's so many ways where this
Speaker 2: could have worked out. But when you hear a story
Speaker 2: like that, it just shows that, again, like with different
Speaker 2: with different messages being sent to you potentially internally, like
Speaker 2: in your ears, reactions like that don't happen because that
Speaker 2: is so next level for one strikeout, and you're so
Speaker 2: mad about it that it leads to behavior like that,
Speaker 2: And it just makes me wish he had more positive
Speaker 2: messaging in his ear and more of the right people
Speaker 2: in his ear, because again, that's not normal. You're gonna
Speaker 2: destroy every every toilet in a minor league clubhouse. We
Speaker 2: know he was tightly wound up, We know he was fiery.
Speaker 2: Why do we think that is that didn't just happen overnight.
Speaker 2: You know, there's an upbringing with that stuff.
Speaker 1: It is possible that even if everything around him was right,
Speaker 1: that he still fails because of course, prospects busts all
Speaker 1: the time. But you're right, we would love to have
Speaker 1: loved to see him have that opportunity, knowing what we know.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, again, there's no guarantee, and I'll say what
Speaker 2: I said at the start, it is ultimately on the
Speaker 2: player to figure it out with your own career. That
Speaker 2: being said, again, we told you guys, we tell you
Speaker 2: some stories. There are definitely a couple of stories in
Speaker 2: there that I don't think are really out there a ton.
Speaker 2: That's what we know, that's what we've heard, And like
Speaker 2: we said, we're transparent with you guys. When when we
Speaker 2: hear things that we think are interesting, long as we're
Speaker 2: not going to get in crazy trouble for it, we'll
Speaker 2: share it. And we have heard those stories again, the
Speaker 2: stuff about his dad, certainly the clubhouse story in Tacoma,
Speaker 2: and it just makes you wish man things have gone
Speaker 2: so differently. I'm not much of a Hugger in general.
Speaker 2: I wish I could just give Jared hugg honestly, because
Speaker 2: I just feel for him.
Speaker 1: Totally lot of totally reasonable thing.
Speaker 2: A lot of people failed him. It's ultimately on him,
Speaker 2: it's on the player, but people failed him.
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Speaker 1: start with our Patreon questions. We have Michael, who asks,
Speaker 1: is there a reasonable in season answer to the Dan
Speaker 1: Wilson problem.
Speaker 2: No, no, there's not, because unless somebody's gonna get in
Speaker 2: his ear and tell him to start managing differently and
Speaker 2: start going off the numbers and the process more what
Speaker 2: do you fix? How do you change this in season?
Speaker 2: He has to one be willing to adapt and two
Speaker 2: then go execute it. Are those things gonna happen?
Speaker 1: I'd say it's pretty simple. He either improves or he
Speaker 1: gets fired. That's it. You like the problem solves? Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: not just gets fired. But then the Maritors would need
Speaker 1: to put an interim manager in there who does a
Speaker 1: better job it.
Speaker 2: It seems unlikely. It's like we said on the last
Speaker 2: episode on Wednesday's podcast, this is what the Mariners signed
Speaker 2: up for. They say that everything he does in the
Speaker 2: clubhouse is so great that it outweighs all the poor
Speaker 2: in game management that goes on on the field. I
Speaker 2: don't buy all that because I think the stuff on
Speaker 2: the field has acted wins and losses. It certainly did
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. But that's what the Mariners believe. So again,
Speaker 2: they've signed up for this. There are things that we
Speaker 2: could sit here and say, yes, here's how it could improve,
Speaker 2: But how do the Mariners themselves improve it. I just
Speaker 2: don't think it does. Man. It's either he is willing
Speaker 2: to adapt and get better with the decisions, or it's
Speaker 2: going to stay the same.
Speaker 1: Or they let someone else make the decisions.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it seems unlikely.
Speaker 1: It does seem very unlikely. Next question comes from Bryson
Speaker 1: on Patreon, and Bryson asks, as longtime Emerson Hancock supporters,
Speaker 1: how does it feel that he's finally breaking out?
Speaker 2: Awesome? Because he's one of the best dudes you'll ever meet,
Speaker 2: not even just baseball people, so cool and sure, there's
Speaker 2: the whole element of him being a number six pick
Speaker 2: out of Georgia and him starting to figure out how
Speaker 2: to adapt in a big league setting and figuring out
Speaker 2: how to miss bats and figuring out how to be
Speaker 2: truly effective. But we've talked so much about the numbers.
Speaker 2: We talked about him lowering his arm angle by five
Speaker 2: or six degrees in previous episodes. We've talked about how
Speaker 2: he's got three real pitches now with the fastball, the sinker,
Speaker 2: and the sweeper. We've talked about a lot of the
Speaker 2: nuts and bolts of it. How does it feel? It
Speaker 2: feels awesome? Because this podcast is an Emerson Hancock supporting podcast.
Speaker 2: We are Emerson Hancock guys through and through and to
Speaker 2: see him have the success, yeah, we take victory laps
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: For his sake, I'm happy for him because this is
Speaker 1: also a really long stretch. He's been healthy, and part
Speaker 1: of the reason I think at the beginning of his
Speaker 1: career he wasn't as successful is because he wasn't totally healthy.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get the volume of innings under him that
Speaker 1: he needed. Then he's finally healthy and he gets his
Speaker 1: velocity back, and then he's finding the things that don't work.
Speaker 1: So now he has the runway again to tinker and
Speaker 1: get to a point where it actually does work for him.
Speaker 1: And that's what pitchers should do. If something's not working,
Speaker 1: you're either not going to fix it and be bad,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna try and at least try and fix
Speaker 1: it and it could potentially work out for you. And
Speaker 1: through two starts this year, and he's gonna get quite
Speaker 1: a test this weekend against the Houston Astros for how
Speaker 1: well he's pitched. It's it's through two starts who he
Speaker 1: worked out for him and that makes us very happy.
Speaker 1: We tell him when we see him, like you've you've
Speaker 1: looked great.
Speaker 2: This is We're thrilled for you. Although it's funny, Emerson
Speaker 2: doesn't like hearing a lot of that stuff. You can
Speaker 2: just tell We love Emerson and he's always great to talk.
Speaker 2: He's a great talker, super friendly, always awesome to us.
Speaker 2: But he does not like to take in a lot
Speaker 2: of the praise. He is very like, I bet, I
Speaker 2: gotta keep getting better. I got to keep getting better.
Speaker 2: I gotta find ways to be more effective.
Speaker 1: He just will work in like a yeah, we played great, exactly.
Speaker 2: He immediately turns it to the team, the team, which honestly,
Speaker 2: yet again, just speaks to who Emerson Hancock is.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Eric on Patreon. Eric's question is,
Speaker 1: did Brian and We'll give Mike Trout the chin music
Speaker 1: on purpose?
Speaker 2: No? No, he did not, And if you're.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he threw up an in on purpose,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't trying to intimidate Mike Trout or throw
Speaker 1: at him.
Speaker 2: And now for our next act on the podcast, ty
Speaker 2: Buttree thoughts, Dude, I mean, did some of you guys
Speaker 2: see on Twitter that after the video we made about
Speaker 2: that whole thing and saying how dumb his take was
Speaker 2: on it, that He's like, let me on the podcast
Speaker 2: so I can explain ball to you guys over my
Speaker 2: dead body. Dude, Not a chance, Nope, no.
Speaker 1: Uh I mean, Brian Wu was definitely pitching up and
Speaker 1: into Mike Trout to try and exploit his weak spots.
Speaker 1: And sometimes pitchers will throw up and in to get
Speaker 1: guys off the plate who crowded the plate, and there's
Speaker 1: always risk of hitting the batter. In that case, this
Speaker 1: was baseball, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Brian Wu was trying to throw a strike at the
Speaker 2: upper end part of the zone. Yes, he was not
Speaker 2: trying to hit Mike Trout.
Speaker 1: No, Usually the Angels are the ones who start these things.
Speaker 1: Well you had to do is wait later in the week.
Speaker 2: Oh but then you have all their fans saying that
Speaker 2: Mariner's fans are deranged and delusional, et cetera. When you've
Speaker 2: got Angels fans apparently sending Casey Legamina threats like nice
Speaker 2: going guys, sick. Divish wrote a story on that. It
Speaker 2: literally said Casey Legamina knew it was waiting for him
Speaker 2: when he opened his phone after that game on Sunday,
Speaker 2: and and and and Casey said, I don't really read them.
Speaker 2: I just delete them. I just want to ignore them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh here come, here come all the flurry
Speaker 2: of threats from Angels fans. Who are the ones calling
Speaker 2: Mariners deranged and calling them delusional, But then here they
Speaker 2: are sending threats to a picture because he accidentally hit somebody.
Speaker 1: I I don't even know what to say, but okay,
Speaker 1: you must move on to the next one.
Speaker 2: You must.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from.
Speaker 2: You must have missed Divish writing that yeah it was
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh I missed it. Yeah, yeah I missed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: Some baseball fans are something. We'll just say that. Next
Speaker 1: question comes from Caid on Patreon. Caid's question is, all right,
Speaker 1: how many years are we going to keep having the
Speaker 1: same conversation around this team? Elite pitching, inconsistent offense, and
Speaker 1: everyone's saying it will just click eventually.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've said that, guys, well, we do
Speaker 2: think obviously it's only been thirteen games. We know that,
Speaker 2: but we made it very clear. I think on the
Speaker 2: last podcast on social media that here's where I think
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the heads of people are at,
Speaker 2: and I think it's totally warranted. Everybody, deep down knows
Speaker 2: it's early. Deep down, everybody knows that, but nobody, and
Speaker 2: I mean nobody including us, wants to hear about that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about Oh, don't worry guys, like,
Speaker 2: eventually it'll just fix itself. Whether that's true or not,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to hear about that. So yes, like, like,
Speaker 2: I understand why people are frustrated and don't want to
Speaker 2: hear these stories. We don't want to. We don't want
Speaker 2: to sit here and blow smoke either. But when will
Speaker 2: it change in terms of elite pitching struggling offense. I
Speaker 2: think your answer is as good as mine on that. Man,
Speaker 2: I don't think we have a perfect answer.
Speaker 1: I do disagree with part of this question because at
Speaker 1: the end, Kid says, this looks like the same team
Speaker 1: we've been watching for years, Like we do, only have
Speaker 1: to go back one year to see the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: The Mariners were four and eight last year, and then
Speaker 1: what did they do? Lole after they were four and eight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then they finished April on a really good note.
Speaker 1: They went sixteen and four and had the best offense
Speaker 1: in baseball in that stretch. So quite literally, that is different.
Speaker 2: Yes, Now, don't mention June.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna mention June. And I'm gonna also
Speaker 1: mention the roster last year was significantly worse than this year.
Speaker 1: That should give you optimism that things can literally change
Speaker 1: on a whim. Want to. By the way, there were
Speaker 1: four and eight after losing a game in twelve innings
Speaker 1: at home to the Astros in which they scored one run.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've drew pretty bad after that game.
Speaker 2: And when you say the roster last year was worse,
Speaker 2: you mean at this time last year.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, At this time last year you had Rowdy Tellez,
Speaker 1: you had Donovan Solano, you had pictures hurt. It's not
Speaker 1: what you want.
Speaker 2: No. Again, I think everything you just said is true,
Speaker 2: But I also know fans don't want to hear all
Speaker 2: the coping mechanisms. They just want to know why they're
Speaker 2: not hitting, And I get it. I think again, two
Speaker 2: things can be true. It is objectively early in the season,
Speaker 2: but nobody wants to hear about that. It's early in
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Xander on Patreon. Xander's question is
Speaker 1: is there a world where we see Colt come up?
Speaker 1: Donovan moved to left field and Randy moved to DH.
Speaker 2: Yes, not tomorrow, not by the end of the weekend,
Speaker 2: but yes, everybody wonders when Colt comes up? How Is
Speaker 2: this all gonna maneuver itself to get everybody the right
Speaker 2: playing time? Seems pretty simple to me. Man Brendan Donovan
Speaker 2: has played the most games in his career at second
Speaker 2: base and the second most in left field, where he
Speaker 2: is a perfectly average defender. Randy and Rosorina is not
Speaker 2: defending in left field, and Colt Emerson is going to
Speaker 2: play third base this year with JP Crawford still on
Speaker 2: the team. Seems pretty simple to me. Randy ain't play
Speaker 2: in the field, or at least not a majority of
Speaker 2: the time unless there's a lefty on the mound, and
Speaker 2: then you have Colt to third and Donovan and left.
Speaker 2: So when there's a righty on the mound, I think
Speaker 2: that's exactly what's going to happen. When there's a lefty
Speaker 2: on the mound. Sure, then you could see ref Schneider dhing,
Speaker 2: and then you could see Randy and left, and maybe
Speaker 2: then Donovan at third, and maybe Colt gets a day
Speaker 2: off in that sense stuff like that. But yes, I
Speaker 2: think that is very real.
Speaker 1: Your defense would get better in third and left, that's
Speaker 1: definite for certain. Are you taking don Canzone off the
Speaker 1: roster in that case?
Speaker 2: That part I don't know what exactly you do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're one of ref Schneider or can Zone
Speaker 1: gonna be off the roster?
Speaker 2: Well, sure, Look, when Colt comes up, there has to
Speaker 2: be a corresponding move. Somebody's going to be off the roster.
Speaker 1: You'd have to cut one of them.
Speaker 2: Is Canzone out of options?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I thought he had one
Speaker 2: more you can tell me. I thought he had another option.
Speaker 1: He oh, he has two options? Yeah, okay, so don
Speaker 1: Kinzona go to Takoma, right.
Speaker 2: And we'll see how everybody's playing by that time. Because well,
Speaker 2: right now, if it were to happen tomorrow, which again
Speaker 2: it's not, but if it were, the move's Connor Joe,
Speaker 2: who's off the roster because Roblas just got hurt, you're
Speaker 2: under the assumption all four right fielders are healthy.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, And that's it's realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that situation, I don't know what exactly they
Speaker 2: do by let's say the end of May, because that's
Speaker 2: when we've predicted he'll get up. We'll see who's hitting
Speaker 2: by then and who's not, and who the corresponding move is.
Speaker 1: Alex on Patreon asks after seeing the Red Sox double
Speaker 1: celebration is a cringey Roman Anthony TikTok video. Which mariner
Speaker 1: is most likely to have an old cringey TikTok video.
Speaker 2: This is a great question. You've seen that Roman Anthony TikTok, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's bad. Yeah, I mean he's again he's in high school. Which,
Speaker 2: by the way, what is going on with his arm?
Speaker 1: Was he supposed to have a good.
Speaker 2: Arm, solid enough. Yes, it was not supposed to be
Speaker 2: like this. He's either got to be hurt or maybe
Speaker 2: as the yips something.
Speaker 1: Fatigue, anything's possible, fatigue in April.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never know. Sometimes you sleep on your shoulder funny,
Speaker 1: and it's just not moving the way it should.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, you can look at his prospect raids. I
Speaker 2: think he was supposed to be about a fifty field
Speaker 2: a fifty throw so average, two above average, not like
Speaker 2: what we've seen in the first week and a half. Anyway,
Speaker 2: to answer the question, the mariner most likely to have
Speaker 2: an old TikTok that would go.
Speaker 1: Honestly, so easy, so easy.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say potentially Julio because he's very I
Speaker 2: don't know. He's charismatic, he's out there, like I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised if he had some old dance that resurfaced.
Speaker 1: It's Cole Young, Yes, No, I mean he grew up.
Speaker 1: He is the one who grew up in the TikTok
Speaker 1: era on the roster.
Speaker 2: But you say that like he's so much younger than Julio.
Speaker 2: Julio's twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Julio has been I don't know, Julio's been
Speaker 1: playing professional baseball since Cole Young, before Cole Young was
Speaker 1: in high school.
Speaker 2: Look, Cole Young does have a slightly funny side to him,
Speaker 2: and he's definitely got some personality when when you get
Speaker 2: him going. But I don't know if he would coast TikTok.
Speaker 1: Do you think would be more likely to do that
Speaker 1: Roman Anthony video in high school? Julio or Cole Young?
Speaker 1: I think it's now.
Speaker 2: I will say this, Cole Young and Roman Anthony are
Speaker 2: solid friends. Maybe the apple doesn't follow that far from
Speaker 2: the tree. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone else because everyone else is
Speaker 1: too old.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, or I know they say TikTok, but
Speaker 2: what if it's just some old dance somebody dad again.
Speaker 2: The video of cal as a kid got resurfaced last year,
Speaker 2: or it got sent out of him saying that's.
Speaker 1: Not ay TikTok dance.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm just saying it could be an old video.
Speaker 2: I'm the home run derby champ.
Speaker 1: Oh. I actually have my second choice now, Bryce Miller.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd buy that one. Actually. Bryce Miller literally has
Speaker 2: a TikTok that's made its rounds. It's that one of
Speaker 2: him in the clubhouse at spring training where he's he
Speaker 2: does a what does he do? He does a head
Speaker 2: flip roll and then he to the music. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about Right now, there's a TikTok of
Speaker 2: Bryce Miller who's like he's holding he's like lying on
Speaker 2: the ground, he's got his phone out, and then he
Speaker 2: stands up and like rolls over his head essentially.
Speaker 1: Sure, I could totally see Bryce with like sunglasses, a
Speaker 1: cowboy and a cowboy hat, doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? No? I like it?
Speaker 1: And I know, like Bryce like he doesn't really he
Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit, So I could totally totally see
Speaker 1: him doing that.
Speaker 2: Not in the sense like he doesn't give a shit
Speaker 2: about his on field play and his work ethic. No,
Speaker 2: he's an incredibly hard worker. But in the sense of
Speaker 2: like just being charismatic. Yeah, in terms of like himself, yeah,
Speaker 2: Like does Bryce Miller care about what other people think
Speaker 2: of him? No? I don't think at all in that way. No,
Speaker 2: he does not give a shit. No.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from nerf fan on YouTube, and the
Speaker 1: question is, with the way the Mariners are performing, do
Speaker 1: you think the timeline has possibly been sped up for
Speaker 1: prospects outside of Colt Emerson.
Speaker 2: No, because if Colt Emerson's not ready, I don't think
Speaker 2: you're rushing anybody else. We've talked about it with Lads
Speaker 2: that Lads is going to have to spend at least
Speaker 2: half of this season in Double A again before he
Speaker 2: even gets moved up to Tacoma, and he has to
Speaker 2: prove his strikeout rate can be manageable, Like, he has
Speaker 2: got to strike out somewhere at least in the mid
Speaker 2: twenty percent. He cannot be striking out thirty two percent
Speaker 2: of the time like he did last year. Michael Arroyo
Speaker 2: again similar to like, needs a little more time. Could
Speaker 2: he get up this year? Yes, but I don't think
Speaker 2: it's been rushed the prospects you're most likely to see
Speaker 2: here the two pitchers and Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan. But
Speaker 2: those guys same thing. It wouldn't be till later in
Speaker 2: the summer.
Speaker 1: There's no glaring need from those guys on the Mariner's roster.
Speaker 1: To bring it back to Jared Kelnick, there was a
Speaker 1: glaring need for offense when they rushed him to the
Speaker 1: big leagues. The four guys I think of in this
Speaker 1: case are Las Michael Arroyo, Kate Anderson, and Ryan Sloan.
Speaker 1: Do the Mariners have a pressing need in any for
Speaker 1: any of those players on the roster. The answer to
Speaker 1: that question is no, unless you want to throw one
Speaker 1: of those guys in the bullpen. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: pressing enough to rush them to the big leagues, right, No,
Speaker 1: Michael Arroyo and Las Montes. When to have like a
Speaker 1: one to seventy w orc plus in double A for
Speaker 1: them the Marriners even to think about rushing them to
Speaker 1: the big leagues. Next question comes from uh use. The
Speaker 1: name starts with French on YouTube, and the question is
Speaker 1: who would have expected Cole Young to be the Mariner's
Speaker 1: best player thirteen games in.
Speaker 2: Hey, We're also a Cole Young podcast. We can put
Speaker 2: our hands up for Cole Young. No, I'm I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: I don't think we expect Cole Young's mom. Sure, I
Speaker 2: don't think we expected Cole Young to be the best
Speaker 2: player through two weeks. But again, I think I was
Speaker 2: pretty confident that he would take some strides forward. So
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to see that he's doing that. I'm thrilled
Speaker 2: to see that he's been hitting lefties. But no, I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody predicted this for Cole Young to be
Speaker 2: the best player through two weeks, because again, for him
Speaker 2: to do that, it means that the middle of your
Speaker 2: order is ice ice, ice cold, and that's what they've been.
Speaker 1: Two things can be independently true. It's great for Cole
Speaker 1: and bad for the team that this is true.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Uh, by the way I looked
Speaker 2: it up. Before you get to the next question, let
Speaker 2: me preface it by saying it's only been five games
Speaker 2: so far, but as we currently sit, Las Montes is
Speaker 2: walking just under sixteen percent of the time in double
Speaker 2: A pretty good. He is striking out just shy of
Speaker 2: fifty three percent of the time. Oh yeah, it's only
Speaker 2: been five games. Yeah, but but through nineteen played appearances,
Speaker 2: his strikeout rate is fifty two point six percent.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just an organizational thing, because there's another
Speaker 1: really glaring strikeout metric that helped bring up beer in
Speaker 1: a little bit related to one of these questions, might be, uh,
Speaker 1: might be a bit of an org thing right now.
Speaker 2: Against lads has played five games this year. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna lose lose any sleep yet. But again,
Speaker 2: he has to cut the strikeout rates down. For everybody
Speaker 2: that loves seeing the home runs on social media when
Speaker 2: they get posted, they're great. But I would go on
Speaker 2: fangrafts pretty regularly and be checking his walk right and
Speaker 2: checking a strikeout rate, because if you want to know
Speaker 2: what's going to get him called up, those two things
Speaker 2: Blake asks.
Speaker 1: Is the team swing speed actually down? And is this
Speaker 1: a coaching move to try and increase average over slugging.
Speaker 2: We talked about this a decent bit on Wednesday's podcast,
Speaker 2: and just to summarize it again, there's no way to
Speaker 2: know for sure that it's a philosophy change. We would
Speaker 2: have to ask around more. Other people would have to
Speaker 2: ask around more to get a definitive answer on it.
Speaker 2: We can try. We'll certainly try and talk to some people.
Speaker 2: But are the bat speeds down? Yes, like all the
Speaker 2: numbers show that, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, TBD. The numbers do bear out that their bat
Speaker 1: speeds are down. But I think we also need to
Speaker 1: see some more games as well to get an idea
Speaker 1: whether this team is just bat offensively or they're going
Speaker 1: through a bad stretch, which both could be true. Next
Speaker 1: question comes from almost on Twitter, and the question is
Speaker 1: when do you think the mayor are going to hit
Speaker 1: some switch and go back to the Mariners we all
Speaker 1: know and love. I'm just gonna jump out and answer
Speaker 1: this question. This is as Mariners as on brand Mariners
Speaker 1: right now, as humanly possible. Yes, this is the Mariners
Speaker 1: we know in love.
Speaker 2: Take you back to twenty fifteen, expectations as high as
Speaker 2: humanly possible. They won less than eighty games that year.
Speaker 1: Next aout, How about this July.
Speaker 2: That's when it'll happen. They'll still win ninety plus games,
Speaker 2: they'll win the West. But is there a possibility they
Speaker 2: could just drive everybody crazy until the middle of the year. Yeah, possible.
Speaker 2: I hope not. I certainly hope not. But it's possible.
Speaker 1: It can be. Like the twenty twenty three team, the
Speaker 1: team that we declared the most five hundred team of
Speaker 1: all time, there was a point in like the middle
Speaker 1: of the season the Mariners had been five exactly five
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen times insane insane stat Next question comes
Speaker 1: from Shane. This is also also a good one. Honestly,
Speaker 1: what has bothered me most with Seattle fans is is
Speaker 1: there no faith or loyalty?
Speaker 2: Now, I think there's faith and loyalty, and I think
Speaker 2: it's been tested beyond belief in the last twenty five.
Speaker 1: Years, twenty five fifty years.
Speaker 2: Well okay, I was thinking about the drought and then
Speaker 2: missing the playoffs in twenty three and twenty four.
Speaker 1: But yes, I mean we could add in the fact
Speaker 1: they were worse before the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yet the Mirror's crowd wise usually draw in the top
Speaker 2: half of the league every year, Like there are butts
Speaker 2: and seats at these games, even when people are tested,
Speaker 2: even when things aren't going well compared to the rest
Speaker 2: of the league, they actually average out okay in terms
Speaker 2: of attendance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say loyalty is not a question. I
Speaker 1: think just because people are angry about how the team
Speaker 1: is playing right now does not mean not loyal. I
Speaker 1: think honestly, it might mean they're even more loyal and
Speaker 1: they're people eventually just want a good thing to be
Speaker 1: good for a while. There's a lot of us, we're
Speaker 1: the perfect demographic for this, who have never seen a
Speaker 1: Mariners team that is good from start to finish. I
Speaker 1: think that's what people want. I also everyone else in
Speaker 1: baseball gets it. Why can't we get it?
Speaker 2: Correct? I also think, and I'm not blaming anybody for
Speaker 2: doing this, we do it all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2: But this is what happens when you spend too much
Speaker 2: time on Twitter and feel like there's a potentially a
Speaker 2: lack of loyalty, because like when you get your your
Speaker 2: mass opinion from Twitter, you're gonna see a lot of negative.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Matt on Twitter. He asks, what's
Speaker 1: the problem with bringing up Colt right now to get
Speaker 1: a desperately needed jolt on offense and defense.
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about this pre recording fire away teach.
Speaker 1: Colt Emerson and Tacoma right now has one twelve of
Speaker 1: RC plus and today he had another good game offensively,
Speaker 1: but he is currently in Tacoma is striking out thirty
Speaker 1: two percent of the time and walking two point seven
Speaker 1: percent of the time. That is not feasible at the
Speaker 1: big league level. So Colt Emerson will be staying down
Speaker 1: in Tacoma until he gets those numbers closer to each other.
Speaker 2: Again, guys like twenty and ten again, Guys, I know
Speaker 2: it's enticing. I know you want to see them. We
Speaker 2: want to see them too. But if everybody can just
Speaker 2: get in their head expect Memorial Day or slightly later,
Speaker 2: I think we as a society, as Mariners fans, will
Speaker 2: be able to be in at a little bit of
Speaker 2: a better headspace. It's not gonna solve all the losing issues, right,
Speaker 2: It's like, again, I'm not saying having a different mindset
Speaker 2: with Colt Emerson is going to make the entire situation
Speaker 2: feel better and where the record stands. But if you
Speaker 2: can just accept, Okay, Colt Emerson's gonna be up Memorial
Speaker 2: Day or later, lock that in, everybody can digest it
Speaker 2: a little bit easier. Instead of always asking where's Colt,
Speaker 2: Where's Colt? Where's Colt? Just try and say that to
Speaker 2: yourself Memorial Day later. For Colt Emerson Memorial Day or June.
Speaker 1: What that is telling me is that he does not
Speaker 1: have control of the triple A strike zone yet. And
Speaker 1: if he's not controlling Triple A pitching, then he's definitely
Speaker 1: not gonna be controlling major league pitching at this moment.
Speaker 1: And if you were to bring him up, so we say,
Speaker 1: with all prospects, he would disappoint you. Prospects have never
Speaker 1: disappointed you ever, So if Colt Emerson's gonna come up
Speaker 1: at this point, he is going to disappoint you. And
Speaker 1: I don't want that for Colt. I want him to
Speaker 1: only impress when he comes up to the big leagues.
Speaker 2: This is why so many people love Laz. Laz Is
Speaker 2: never disappointed because most people just see the big home
Speaker 2: runs and the crazy power. If he was in the
Speaker 2: big leagues, I don't think, especially right now. Maybe one again,
Speaker 2: one day, he could absolutely figure it out, But right now,
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to see that version of
Speaker 2: Las Montes. It's the same thing with Colt. Jared Keelnick,
Speaker 2: we spent fifteen minutes at the start of this podcast,
Speaker 2: and you remember what happened to him when he got
Speaker 2: called up too early. Don't do that to Cole. You
Speaker 2: need him to be your shortstop for ten plus years
Speaker 2: and one of the better players on your team, potentially
Speaker 2: one of the better players in baseball. Let him be ready.
Speaker 2: Let him be ready so he never has to go back.
Speaker 1: Dustin has a statement, The slump in my mind is
Speaker 1: because you didn't improve the team you brought back the
Speaker 1: majority of you brought back almost everybody. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: Look? Man Church was on with us before the start
Speaker 2: of the season and said something similar. He was lower
Speaker 2: on the Mariners and their win total than everybody because
Speaker 2: he said they were still multiple bats short. The Mariners
Speaker 2: went and retained a lot of their own guys, which
Speaker 2: is great. It helps him keep the core of that
Speaker 2: team together that they had last year through the run
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. But Sarah argument, they were multiple bats short,
Speaker 2: Yes it was. It was not a locked in solution
Speaker 2: in right field. It was not a locked in solution
Speaker 2: at say their base at least before you trade it
Speaker 2: for Donovan right like, like, you know, it's not un
Speaker 2: locked in situation at DH.
Speaker 1: Sure, but that's not the reason they stink right now.
Speaker 2: No, the reason they're not hitting is because everybody is
Speaker 2: collectively struggling. But just remember, just if this continues, just
Speaker 2: remember what Churchill said. He said, like the Mariners were
Speaker 2: multiple bats short in the offseason.
Speaker 1: That would rear its head in the postseason, I would imagine,
Speaker 1: or down the stretch in big series, not in April,
Speaker 1: when your best players are bad, When your best players
Speaker 1: are your worst players, that's why you're slumping. I disagree
Speaker 1: with that statement. Look, the team last year made the ALCS.
Speaker 1: They were good. Like the team is still right now,
Speaker 1: very good, and they're very talented. Are they perfect? No
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not perfect, But I don't see that.
Speaker 2: Look, they're odds to win the World Series. Are still
Speaker 2: in the top three to five across all the odds makers. Yes,
Speaker 2: of course this is a good team, and we've and
Speaker 2: we've kept that statement true. I'm just saying, if this continues,
Speaker 2: I just remember what Churchill said, and yes, all these
Speaker 2: stars are gonna figure it out. Of course they are.
Speaker 2: But just let's just see what the offense looks like
Speaker 2: by mid season and see, Okay, is this a good
Speaker 2: enough offense or did they need more bats? I don't
Speaker 2: think we know for sure. One way or another time
Speaker 2: will tell.
Speaker 1: Here's a deep philosophical question. Rex asks did God make
Speaker 1: me a Mariners fan because he hates me? Or is
Speaker 1: me being a die hard lifelong Mariners fan proof that
Speaker 1: there is no God at all?
Speaker 2: Now we're getting philosophical. People want to have us answer
Speaker 2: religion questions. This is like that clip of one of
Speaker 2: our favorites, Frank the Tank, when he gets asked, Frank,
Speaker 2: do you think God exists? And Franco's yes, and I
Speaker 2: believe he hates the Mets. It could be true. Maybe
Speaker 2: God hates the Mariners.
Speaker 1: Could be I will leave this up to everybody. They
Speaker 1: can make the decision on this one. I think that's
Speaker 1: fair and whatever you want to believe, you can believe.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's a wide range of opinions on that.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Seawolf, and the question is would
Speaker 1: the Mariners consider trading Emerson Hancock if it brought us,
Speaker 1: brought the Mariners back a leverage reliever.
Speaker 2: As sad as, I would be legitimately heartbroken. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not impossible, right. If Emerson keeps pitching like this
Speaker 2: and keeps upping his value, the Mariners are going to
Speaker 2: have to make some decisions at some point, because if
Speaker 2: Emerson proves he is a legit difference making big league
Speaker 2: starter over some real stretch of time. Then you've got
Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert Brian wu George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Luis Castillo,
Speaker 2: and Emerson Hancock six legit big league starters, with Kate
Speaker 2: Anderson and Ryan Sloan waiting in the wings. At some
Speaker 2: point you're gonna have to make some decisions with your rotation.
Speaker 2: Is that the craziest idea in the world. No, I
Speaker 2: certainly hope it doesn't happen again. I will be heartbroken.
Speaker 2: But as the logic behind me, that thinking somewhat sound. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it sound.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get super specific with this question because the
Speaker 1: wording is what the Mariners consider Emerson Hancock for a
Speaker 1: high leverage reliever. No, they would trade Emerson Hancock for
Speaker 1: a package that might include a reliever. But if Emeron
Speaker 1: Sin's as good as he's shown and he truly has changed,
Speaker 1: the Mariners know the value of that, and I don't
Speaker 1: think a leverage reliever is the return they would would want.
Speaker 2: Oh so, now you're getting into the specifics of the
Speaker 2: actual return, and you mean they'd probably want a young
Speaker 2: Bat or another young arm et cetera, along with the reliever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there would not trade a controllable, good major league
Speaker 1: starting pitcher for a reliever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not one for one at least no, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, a reliever is part of the return.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you think about his overall thinking
Speaker 2: of is he, unfortunately for this podcast, potentially on the
Speaker 2: table if this keeps happening with the logjam they'd have
Speaker 2: of starters.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna try to trade him, no,
Speaker 1: because I don't like unfortunately how it is they have
Speaker 1: guys in this rotation they will trade before Emerson Hancock
Speaker 1: who are closer to free agency and more expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah again again which like, yeah, ultimately you're right, they
Speaker 2: will not be looking to ship them out of town.
Speaker 2: No way, especially if he keeps pitching like this because
Speaker 2: he is very controllable. But it does continue to bring
Speaker 2: up again, man, do things get interesting if Emerson just
Speaker 2: keeps pitching, Well, how does this all shake out? Especially
Speaker 2: if this keeps going on into the summer, It is
Speaker 2: gonna be very very interesting.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Alex on Instagram. What's the best
Speaker 1: case scenario for the MS at the end of April?
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna get right to the answer to
Speaker 1: this question twenty two to nine.
Speaker 2: They went out, how about five games over five hundred?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that works well because that the rest of
Speaker 2: the way, Well, if they're four and nine, you're saying
Speaker 2: they win eighteen straight, right, so they have eighteen more games.
Speaker 2: So if they're four and nine to be five over,
Speaker 2: they would have to win like what they'd have to
Speaker 2: be like thirteen. God, I'm such a dumbass. I can't
Speaker 2: do math again. We went to Asu. Whatever five games over.
Speaker 1: Is they they would lose. They would go fourteen and
Speaker 1: four to be five z over.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a really good stretch. Man.
Speaker 1: Do'll be what they did last year essentially?
Speaker 2: So that is what feels like best case scenario.
Speaker 1: Luke on Instagram asks what's gonna happen if the Mariners
Speaker 1: lose another series? Is the lineup gonna get blown up?
Speaker 2: Like your guy's gonna get traded, no, or moved down.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that any of cal Julio and Naylor
Speaker 2: are gonna just get moved down, because like, where do
Speaker 2: they go all of a sudden, You're gonna have those
Speaker 2: guys hit six, seventh and eighth. I have a hard
Speaker 2: time believing that.
Speaker 1: It would have to be struggling into July for these
Speaker 1: guys to get moved down, or June. They might not
Speaker 1: wait three whole months, Like if Cal's slugging three hundred
Speaker 1: and hitting one twenty with no home runs into June,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get moved down in the lineup. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: another series, No, They're gonna stay right where they are.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from just Riley on Instagram, scale of
Speaker 1: one to ten. How word are you guys through the
Speaker 1: first four series.
Speaker 2: Honestly taking truths, tore them and not overplaying this? Two?
Speaker 2: Maybe three? It's hard to really have much of a
Speaker 2: concern level through thirteen games.
Speaker 1: I'm an a three.
Speaker 2: Okay it she looks great as it should. I think
Speaker 2: that's about right. I don't think you can be much
Speaker 2: more concerned than that. Check back with us at the
Speaker 2: end of April. About that.
Speaker 1: Hunter on Instagram asks how many more series losses need
Speaker 1: to happen before we see a shake up and management?
Speaker 2: I mean this is similar to the question earlier right
Speaker 2: about is there any way for an end season adjustment
Speaker 2: or like with Dan Wilson, or how do the decisions
Speaker 2: get better? Isn't it a certain isn't essentially a similar question,
Speaker 2: which the answer would be, I think things would have
Speaker 2: to go very south right.
Speaker 1: Indeed, June. We would need to see multiple bad months
Speaker 1: with bad decision making to realize that something needs to
Speaker 1: change here. It's similar to the lineup question. They would
Speaker 1: give a time if they're thinking like higher management than
Speaker 1: that with Jerry or Justin like that would need to
Speaker 1: be made in July if that were the case. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be the case because
Speaker 1: I think they did their job this year.
Speaker 2: They did and again and not just with the big
Speaker 2: league roster again, the farm system is in such a
Speaker 2: great place, as good as ever. They continue to draft great.
Speaker 2: They just made the playoffs that that wouldn't happen with
Speaker 2: Dan Wilson. You're right, they would have to be into
Speaker 2: June and really be losing. They would have to be
Speaker 2: what eight to ten games under five hundred in June.
Speaker 1: In last place. Yeah, and not only are they bad
Speaker 1: like they would, the vibes would be really bad like
Speaker 1: there were. You would feel the media pressure, there would
Speaker 1: be bad decisions getting made. That that would is what
Speaker 1: would need to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two more Vinnie asks on Instagram. Is it too early
Speaker 1: for an etsy witch?
Speaker 2: It's never too early for an Etsy witch. Vinnie I
Speaker 2: paid a Etsy witch to try and get Kyle Tucker
Speaker 2: to the Mariners. Didn't work, but I tried.
Speaker 1: Did you need your money back? By the way, No,
Speaker 1: I saw in the description that the wit if it
Speaker 1: doesn't come true, you get refunded.
Speaker 2: Oh, I should probably work on that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it expired. Things have a return policy expiration.
Speaker 2: Dude, you know how much fucking money I spent on.
Speaker 1: That nine dollars?
Speaker 2: That was seven? Yeah, Well that's what Kyle Tucker's worth
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: We'll close it out with Nenslow on Instagram. Where is
Speaker 1: Patrick Wisdom? We need someone who can catch lightning in
Speaker 1: a bottle, not a guy.
Speaker 2: Well, we did just post a clip about this here
Speaker 2: on Thursday, and we talked about it on Wednesday's podcast.
Speaker 2: That's not a viable solution Patrick Wisdom. I know he's
Speaker 2: got seven homers down in Tacoma and he started red hot.
Speaker 2: But those stories of the journeyman big leaguers who are
Speaker 2: crushing it in the PCL or crushing it in triple A,
Speaker 2: very very rarely do you ever hear about those guys
Speaker 2: getting up and long term helping the offense.
Speaker 1: Let's make a comparison to help out the people. Is
Speaker 1: Mike Ford gonna save the Mariners offense? No?
Speaker 2: I mean, and that man was just destroying baseball's in Tacoma.
Speaker 2: I think he had something like an elevens something like that.
Speaker 1: When Patrick Wisdom feel a little bit like Mike Ford, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: And I know people hate the streakiness of this offense
Speaker 1: to the fact they strike out a ton and they
Speaker 1: right now don't walk enough. Patrick Wisdom's not going to
Speaker 1: help you with that. In fact, he's gonna make it worse.
Speaker 2: Mike Ford in twenty twenty three and Tacoma had a
Speaker 2: ten thirty one ops.
Speaker 1: That's he was crushing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also, where's Patrick Wisdom going to play? Whose job
Speaker 1: is he taking Brendan Donovan's, I mean Snaylor's the Oh,
Speaker 1: that's where he plays well.
Speaker 2: The only ways that could have happened were either he
Speaker 2: was going to come up instead of Connor Joe, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Mariners valued Joe's versatility and his ability
Speaker 2: to move to other positions a little bit more, or
Speaker 2: when Donovan had the scare in Anaheim when he stepped
Speaker 2: on first base. Funny, if he had had to go
Speaker 2: to the IL maybe that would have been a ten
Speaker 2: day solution at third base because they didn't want to
Speaker 2: bring up Colt Emerson yet and they would have brought
Speaker 2: up Wisdom. That's about it.
Speaker 1: I don't see where he gets reps now, So why
Speaker 1: are you going them out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know who I'd rather be at that position, Cole
Speaker 1: to Emerson, Well not yet, no, not yet. But I
Speaker 1: also don't want to call Patrick Wisdom.
Speaker 2: So there you go. There you have it. That closes
Speaker 2: our mega mail bag, our second one ever. Honestly, we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to do more during the year when the
Speaker 2: Mariners come off a just atrocious series. I think that'll
Speaker 2: be a chance for a mega mail bag pretty often
Speaker 2: because instead of actually wasting time talking about a series
Speaker 2: nobody wants to hear about, well, just answer everybody's questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe more stories next time too, who knows.
Speaker 2: Listen, we got stories, We can tell stories.
Speaker 1: But that was fun, guys. Hopefully we helped with some
Speaker 1: of the coping of getting through the week. I know
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate it, but I I'm in the
Speaker 1: camp right now that it is early. They're playing terribly
Speaker 1: but it is technically it is early.
Speaker 2: Again, think about ninety five percent of the people or
Speaker 2: one hundred percent with you. There'll be a few crazy
Speaker 2: people out there that legitimately think it's over. Ninety five
Speaker 2: percent of the people know that's somewhere deep down in
Speaker 2: their hearts. It's just nobody wants to hear about it now.
Speaker 1: The team is not fun to watch. That we can all.
Speaker 2: Agree on right now, Not right now, they're not no,
Speaker 2: All right, well, good stuff. That just about wraps up
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