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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Burck Taylor. I'm a radio host and a

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Speaker 1: faith every single day.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Mark Evans, I'm a pasta, I'm a dad

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Speaker 2: and Brooke and I We have conversations with people who

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Speaker 2: live their life in the spotlight. How do you steward

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Speaker 2: your faith when you're on a pedestal? What does it

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Speaker 2: look like to stay ground it?

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Speaker 1: Faith fueled Conversations for life. This is the upload.

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Speaker 3: What's up, y'all?

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Speaker 4: I'm Tyler Hubbard. Everybody raise a cold beers and let's

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Speaker 4: sing a worship song.

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, WHOA, Like this is Jesus.

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Speaker 3: What would he do today if he were me?

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Speaker 4: Country music artist and a songwriter, dad and a husband

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Speaker 4: living in this culture. It felt like the world kind

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Speaker 4: of fell apart overnight. It happened in my backyard. It

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Speaker 4: was a helicopter crash and it was super graphic and

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Speaker 4: I was just shook. And this is the upload.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Hubbard is on the upload.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. Excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to chat with you. We on this podcast

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Speaker 1: really just like to have like faith fueled conversations and

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Speaker 1: not necessarily talk about the accolades and things that are

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Speaker 1: happening in our lives, but just talk about our faith.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to start with knowing what if

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Speaker 1: a fan came up to you in a meet and

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Speaker 1: greet and they're like, you know, what is what does

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Speaker 1: faith mean to you? What would you tell them?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say that's a fairly loaded question.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, to simplify it, I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 4: just believing in something that you don't always see, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, or maybe can't always touch. But ultimately,

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Speaker 4: for me, it's it's more relational based, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: a more uh, it's it's just about relationship, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, and relationship with Jesus and and uh,

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Speaker 4: for me, that's what's grown my faith.

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Speaker 3: You know, you do see him, you do hear him.

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Speaker 4: You know at times you can almost touch him where

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Speaker 4: it feels like, you know, through through life experiences and

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Speaker 4: through you know, different scenarios and prayer and all the things,

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Speaker 4: there's just uh, He's everywhere. So it's it's Uh, I've

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Speaker 4: grown a lot in my faith over the last definitely

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Speaker 4: the last five years or so. But yeah, faith has

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Speaker 4: always been a part of my life.

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Speaker 3: Growing up.

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Speaker 4: I was really fortunate to have parents that pursued Jesus

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Speaker 4: and you know, grew up kind of reading the Bible

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Speaker 4: So I had a really strong foundation that kind of

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, when you say that within the last five years

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Speaker 1: your faith has grown so much, what was that turning

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Speaker 1: point for you where you're like, this is just different now.

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Speaker 3: Multiple things.

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Speaker 4: I would say, having children and getting to experience that

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Speaker 4: loves us. I mean, it's just, you know, it really

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Speaker 4: with the practical things, like I made a goal this year.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, January one, I just decided, all right,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what this is talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's really really good fuel, you know. And but through

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Speaker 3: And it's been, uh, it's been pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I feel like reading the Bible, you're like going through

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Speaker 4: Year theology part? I'm like, Okay, I need another cup

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Speaker 1: But when you're reading through the Bible, have there been

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Speaker 1: you because I feel like you memorized scripture or like

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Speaker 4: there's several things for sure, But the one that's really

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Speaker 4: been sticking out to me lately especially is how serious

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Speaker 4: And I think for me, it's it's a lot of

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, it's been it's been a learning process.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately I've just been praying for just ultimately to

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Speaker 5: I love that man so much.

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Speaker 2: The Word of God, it says, is a double edged

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Speaker 2: It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart and

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Speaker 2: the whole idea of idols and anything that you place

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Speaker 2: application when you're reading idols, you're thinking, man, I am anytues.

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Speaker 5: And I think that is a lot of the discanct.

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Speaker 2: When people read, they get stuck in the genealogies, they

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Speaker 2: God's shone a light on this applies to me today.

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Speaker 2: What are the other things that you feel like, just

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Speaker 2: specific even to the music industry, you feel like some

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Speaker 4: I'd say for me, it's been really interesting because I

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Speaker 4: sometimes that's hard. I think the whole through the FGL

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Speaker 3: Like what do you want from me? What are you doing?

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Speaker 4: even the very practical stuff like making sure my you know,

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Speaker 4: everything I'm doing to the next level and to glorify

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Speaker 4: really like explore who else is out there and who

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Speaker 4: ultimately hopefully His journey for me, you know. And that's

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Speaker 4: really been my prayer because I've walked I've walked the path,

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Speaker 4: I think for me, I just now I just really

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Speaker 5: Scold me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's so much growth and uncomfortability, and

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Speaker 2: And forging a identity as Tyler as an individual, you know,

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Speaker 4: I forget the exact you know, quote or the exact thing,

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Speaker 4: but essentially there can't be a lot of things can't

439
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Speaker 4: live within gratitude. Anger and certain emotions can't live within gratitude.

440
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Speaker 4: So if you can just channel gratitude, look around and say, man,

441
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Speaker 4: even if it's just to be alive today, like man,

442
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Speaker 4: I'm grateful, you know. And so there's a lot of

443
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Speaker 4: power in that. And there's a lot of verses in

444
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Speaker 4: the Bible that can back that up. But I've just

445
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Speaker 4: lean tried to lean into that, you know, and God

446
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Speaker 4: has been so good to me, and even on the

447
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Speaker 4: worst days, like I can look around and say, all right, I'm.

448
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Speaker 3: So grateful, so.

449
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Speaker 4: Even for the hard days, and so that's gotten me

450
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Speaker 4: a long ways. And yeah, I definitely was kind of

451
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Speaker 4: leaning into that during those seasons.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking about you know, as human beings,

453
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Speaker 1: we all go through so many things, and I feel

454
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Speaker 1: like being in the spotlight, a lot of people say like, oh,

455
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Speaker 1: he's this big country artist or he's you know, whoever,

456
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Speaker 1: and he's just got it all together. Everything online looks amazing,

457
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Speaker 1: his family's great, his marriage looks amazed. You know, all

458
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Speaker 1: the things are happening, but you talking about you know,

459
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Speaker 1: like you said September of twenty twenty, and just like

460
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Speaker 1: one thing after another, you're like, I'm getting hurt, which

461
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Speaker 1: you know that stinks because of what you do for

462
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Speaker 1: a living, but also just on a human level, you're

463
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Speaker 1: about to be another dad, Like you're welcoming new life

464
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Speaker 1: in and then getting this news that you're no longer

465
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Speaker 1: going to be a group. All these things come crashing

466
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Speaker 1: down on you. What are some of those tangible ways

467
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Speaker 1: that you did seek Jesus in those moments? Do you

468
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Speaker 1: remember any of those moments and how they felt?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean desperate, you know, I would say at times,

470
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Speaker 4: you're just desperate. You're just like all right, like I

471
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Speaker 4: want to feel the peace, I want to feel the joy,

472
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Speaker 4: and I'm not feeling it.

473
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Speaker 3: So just sort of desperation. You know.

474
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Speaker 4: I think there's a time where God, let's us get

475
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Speaker 4: to that point. Maybe there's no other way that we'll

476
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Speaker 4: lean on him, you know, And so I feel like,

477
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Speaker 4: you know, that was a season. I don't know why

478
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Speaker 4: I keep going back in my mind to even when

479
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Speaker 4: I was twenty and lost my dad, I had a

480
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Speaker 4: moment where it was it was I was at home,

481
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Speaker 4: it was very it happened in my backyard. It was

482
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Speaker 4: a helicopter crash and it was super graphic, and I

483
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Speaker 4: was just shook and I'm just like I remember instantly,

484
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Speaker 4: almost like as I was walking away from that, like

485
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Speaker 4: just standing there and talking to God and being like

486
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Speaker 4: all right, like I know how this story plays out,

487
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Speaker 4: Like I can get mad at you right now and

488
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Speaker 4: I can go down this road, or I can lean

489
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Speaker 4: on you and trust you, and this is I feel

490
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Speaker 4: like that was the moment where I've been almost training

491
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Speaker 4: for my whole childhood, you know what I mean, how

492
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Speaker 4: strong is your faith?

493
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna?

494
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Speaker 5: You know?

495
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Speaker 3: Because this didn't seem fair.

496
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Speaker 4: You know, Dad was forty three, I was twenty, and

497
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Speaker 4: it just felt like, man, we were just getting to

498
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Speaker 4: like a cool spot in our relationship, and so to

499
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Speaker 4: watch him pass away in front of me, you know,

500
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Speaker 4: in an instant, like very unexpected, I was just like,

501
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Speaker 4: all right, I gotta make a choice. And sometimes you

502
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Speaker 4: just got to make a choice. And I think it's

503
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Speaker 4: uh for me, Like the second I made that choice,

504
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Speaker 4: like I felt the embrace and I felt the peace,

505
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Speaker 4: and I was like, that makes no sense. I went

506
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Speaker 4: back to school a few weeks later because I was

507
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Speaker 4: in college at Pira Belmont and a lot of my friends,

508
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Speaker 4: did you know, it kind of shook my whole my

509
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Speaker 4: whole circle pretty good. But I had this unexplainable peace

510
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Speaker 4: that the word talks about and I had prayed for

511
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Speaker 4: and I had it, and I was just like WHOA, Like,

512
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Speaker 4: this is Jesus, this is all I mean, this is

513
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Speaker 4: incredible and things you know a lot of times just

514
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Speaker 4: made sense when it was pretty quol I mean, it

515
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Speaker 4: was pretty raw steel, and really, you know, there could

516
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Speaker 4: have been a lot of resentment and anger, and there was.

517
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Speaker 4: There was definitely days where I was able to have

518
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Speaker 4: that and.

519
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Speaker 3: Let that out.

520
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I chose to trust God,

521
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and chose in that moment,

522
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Speaker 4: all right, I want to be I don't want this

523
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Speaker 4: to end to end badly, you know.

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Speaker 2: So the paradox hearing that of watching my dad die

525
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Speaker 2: in front of me and having joy and peace, I

526
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Speaker 2: feel like that's something that even listening sounds not real, Like,

527
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Speaker 2: you know, for people that don't know God personally. You know,

528
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Speaker 2: you talk about a relationship. I think it just sounds crazy,

529
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Speaker 2: bro like, but but the truth is if you read

530
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Speaker 2: when you're the Bible and you experience these things personally,

531
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Speaker 2: all the paradoxes of the of the Bible, the upside down,

532
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Speaker 2: kingdom of the first shall be last, you know, the

533
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Speaker 2: a crown of thorns, even like a king born in

534
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Speaker 2: a manger. There's so many paradoxes. Beautiful, Like James says,

535
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Speaker 2: consider it pure joy when you face trials on many kinds,

536
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Speaker 2: because do you know what it's doing in you? And

537
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing scripture like come out of your your story

538
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Speaker 2: in mouth so beautifully, and I just think, like, you

539
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Speaker 2: can't underestimate the personal testimony of that piece, like people

540
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Speaker 2: have a choice, Like it's confronting honestly, It's like, man,

541
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Speaker 2: is this guy making it up? Or is this real?

542
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Speaker 2: And I think that's so cool to hear a testimony

543
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Speaker 2: like that. I'm like, yeah, it creates a confrontation in

544
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Speaker 2: me of like, man, I want that experience. I'm gone

545
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Speaker 2: through hard stuff. I want that peace. I want that joy.

546
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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, the paradox, let me throw another

547
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Speaker 2: one at you, Holy ambition, this idea of ambition not

548
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Speaker 2: being selfish, like not just pushing things for myself, but

549
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Speaker 2: like living to serve others. You know, what is that

550
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Speaker 2: in a music industry which is a lot about my name,

551
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Speaker 2: my stage, my you know, my gift, which you have

552
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Speaker 2: a phenomenal gift, but like, how do you balance the

553
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Speaker 2: holy ambition paradox?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, that's great question, and I wrestled with that. I

556
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Speaker 4: wrestled with it for quite a while with n FGL.

557
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Speaker 4: I'll go back to that. Let me just say this,

558
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Speaker 4: this quote that keeps coming to mind that I think

559
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Speaker 4: my friend Judah Smith says. He says or somewhere I

560
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Speaker 4: read this where and I go to this lot. I mean,

561
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Speaker 4: we've all heard like what would Jesus do?

562
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

563
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Speaker 4: And that's a great mindset to have, but but we

564
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Speaker 4: don't think about what Jesus would do as much.

565
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Speaker 3: I like to phrase, what would Jesus do if he

566
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Speaker 3: were me living right now? You know what I mean?

567
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Speaker 4: And if you study Jesus's life, there's examples where you'd

568
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Speaker 4: be like, Okay, what would he do today if he

569
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Speaker 4: were me? If he were a country music artist living

570
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Speaker 4: in Nashville, Tennessee and a songwriter and a dad and

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Speaker 4: a husband and living in this culture.

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Speaker 3: And that's an interesting thought.

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Speaker 4: We could have a whole podcast on that, but I

574
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Speaker 4: think that's kind of like, that's kind of part of it.

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Speaker 4: You know What I mean for me is how would

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Speaker 4: he approach his conversations? How would he approach his day

577
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Speaker 4: to day walk? Would he hurry through his day or

578
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Speaker 4: would he? Or would he take his time?

579
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Would he?

580
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Speaker 4: And I'm having like a wash of thoughts right now,

581
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Speaker 4: but I feel like but leaning into that and then

582
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Speaker 4: forget I forget the second part. But yeah, so also

583
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Speaker 4: knowing like I don't know how this really answers the question,

584
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Speaker 4: but I just remembered a season where I felt like

585
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Speaker 4: music was my calling. I felt like, all right, God,

586
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Speaker 4: this is a gift that I've been given, He's going

587
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Speaker 4: to use me in this way. And in my mind,

588
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Speaker 4: I thought, well, this is going to be in church,

589
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Speaker 4: because actually that's where I started falling in love with

590
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Speaker 4: Jesus and falling in love with music, was a.

591
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Speaker 3: Leading worship and singing worship songs.

592
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Speaker 4: And that was kind of like what I how I

593
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Speaker 4: grew up learning to play guitar and you know, write

594
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Speaker 4: songs and obviously love country music as well, but for

595
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Speaker 4: me personally, it was leading worshiping.

596
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Speaker 3: So I thought, well, this is what I'll do.

597
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Speaker 4: And you know, fast forward six years later, I'm you know,

598
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Speaker 4: booking myself at all these dirty clubs in the Southeast.

599
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Speaker 3: And MENBK Are going every weekend.

600
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Speaker 4: And playing, playing all the clubs and doing all the

601
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Speaker 4: stuff and kind of in a dark space, like a

602
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Speaker 4: dark world, and You're just like, man, I don't I

603
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Speaker 4: think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, but

604
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Speaker 4: this doesn't feel like I envisioned it, you know what

605
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Speaker 4: I mean. But still kind of having that ambition to

606
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Speaker 4: like use my gift to serve God and to point

607
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Speaker 4: to Him, but not seeing it at the moment right

608
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Speaker 4: And then it hit me. It was probably five years later,

609
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Speaker 4: where we're all of a sudden a big act and

610
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Speaker 4: we're playing these big amphitheaters, and all of a sudden

611
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Speaker 4: it kind of hits me that God this whole time

612
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Speaker 4: had been teeing me up to be in front of

613
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Speaker 4: a different audience than First Baptist Church Logan Bille you

614
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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and putting me in front of

615
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Speaker 4: people that needed to hear his word, but not through

616
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Speaker 4: the lenses or perspective of a church.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe it.

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Speaker 4: Was was horible, like Jesus, Yeah, exactly, just exactly everybody,

619
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Speaker 4: everybody raise your cold beers.

620
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Speaker 3: In this single worship song, you know, I mean it

621
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Speaker 3: was some of those moments.

622
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Speaker 4: And I think now it's been fun to see a

623
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Speaker 4: lot of guys, especially in our genre, and leaning into

624
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Speaker 4: that and using their you know, using their gift to

625
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Speaker 4: glorify God outside of the space that maybe the traditional

626
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Speaker 4: mindset would think that you're going to be used.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's the lamp stand, bro, Like that is

628
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Speaker 2: literally the destination for the calling. And I love to

629
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Speaker 2: hear that, like God has put you and called all

630
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Speaker 2: of us to be a light on a lamp stand

631
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Speaker 2: to give light to the whole room. And often we

632
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Speaker 2: think the room is the four walls, right, But the

633
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Speaker 2: church and the calling is to go into the world.

634
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Speaker 2: And so you know, I think there's a lot of

635
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Speaker 2: like the church wants to make people feel like, oh,

636
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Speaker 2: like you know, the feeling of like that this space

637
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Speaker 2: and am I supposed to be here?

638
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Speaker 5: And I thought it was going to be.

639
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Speaker 2: And I just want to like, I love that it's

640
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Speaker 2: not so much like that anymore, and I think it

641
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Speaker 2: needs we just need to keep pushing into that because

642
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: really God has called us to not yeah like, let's

643
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Speaker 2: have our kumbais, let's get filled up, but then we're

644
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: called to the lamps end, bro Like, that's that is

645
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 2: well done, good and faithful servant. Totally, that is how

646
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: we rando those words, and it's a beautiful thing.

647
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Speaker 4: So I had to get over the fact that I

648
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Speaker 4: had to get over the shame because I grew up

649
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Speaker 4: in a church culture that was all based on fear

650
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Speaker 4: and shame, and so I couldn't walk around with my

651
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 4: shirt untucked without somebody saying you need to take your

652
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Speaker 4: shirt in, and you're just like for who, for Jesus

653
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: or for you, you.

654
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Speaker 5: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And like a lot of these things, even just like

656
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Speaker 4: the image of being in bars would be like, oh,

657
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: you know, that's worth you know, And so I had

658
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: to get over that took a while.

659
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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of that.

660
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Speaker 4: Came from an upbringing and super you know, super conservative

661
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: and super rule based and super I mean, it was

662
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 4: less about relationship and more about dos and don'ts, you know,

663
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: and so I got to learn that for myself as

664
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Speaker 4: I I mean, I moved to Nashville when I was eighteen,

665
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: so I'm still figuring out who I am, you know,

666
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: at that age, and figuring out what my relationship really

667
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: does look like, where's my convictions instead of my church's convictions,

668
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: you know? And so that was also an important part

669
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: of my process and finding that like, okay, like God

670
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: actually works outside of the Baptist box that I grew

671
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: up in.

672
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Speaker 3: This is pretty awesome.

673
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think so many people listening or watching

674
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: this can relate to the you know, the to do

675
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: list or the boxes to check or like you said,

676
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: that shame and that guilt that you feel sometimes and

677
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: like you said, developing your own relationship and how that

678
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: kind of changes your relationship with God and your relationship

679
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: with church and literally everything take us through. So if

680
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: somebody's listening to this and they're like, okay, me too,

681
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: that's how I felt. What are some of those ways

682
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Speaker 1: where you kind of steered your own journey or where

683
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: you your faith shifted a little bit, or your relationship

684
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: with God shifted a little bit and you found that yourself.

685
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's different for everyone,

686
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: and I think that's the key. You know, I had

687
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: to feel my personal convictions, you know, I had to

688
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: understand what's right and what's wrong for me instead of

689
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: what's right and wrong for my parents or for my church,

690
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: you know, and what's right What does Jesus say about this?

691
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: Does you know, how would Jesus approach this?

692
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: You know?

693
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Speaker 4: And I think that took a little maturity and little growth.

694
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: And there were times where I was certainly exploring things

695
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: where I knew, like, this isn't exactly what Jesus asked

696
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: for me, for sure, Like you know, we partied, we

697
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: you know, at one point I was way off track, probably,

698
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I said before, like

699
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: I always knew he was there, and I always knew

700
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: where to come back to, you know, ultimately, and I

701
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: always felt protected. And looking back in hindsight, he really

702
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: had he really had his protection around me even in

703
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: those times, and he was there. I was learning and

704
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 4: growing even in times it didn't look like you know,

705
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: your typical church visual would look. And so I feel

706
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: like it's about the personal conviction, and for me, like

707
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: those convictions got pretty pretty loose for a while, for sure,

708
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: I'm just like figuring out, figuring things out. But the

709
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: closer that I got to God and even through my journey,

710
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: you know, it is a journey.

711
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 3: Some day it's like any relationship.

712
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: Some weeks you're like, ma'am, me and my wife were

713
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: locked in, like we're feeling good. I can almost read

714
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: her mind. And in some months or weeks you're just like, wow,

715
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: we need like we need a date night.

716
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: Bad, you know what I mean, Like where are you? So?

717
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: I feel like it's like that with Jesus too.

718
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: Some days and weeks you're just locked in maybe months

719
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Speaker 4: or years, and then some months or years you might

720
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Speaker 4: really feel like we need a date night. You know,

721
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: we need to get I need to make some time

722
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 4: to hang out with you. And so the closer that

723
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: I get to him and the more I lean in,

724
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Speaker 4: the more I study Jesus as a person and how

725
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: he handled life, the more my convictions also evolve and

726
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: change and shift, you know, and something that maybe maybe

727
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: didn't even speak to me at all two years ago,

728
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, this is actually really kind of bothering me,

729
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: Like I should address this and figure out where my

730
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: morals and values stand. Like this year, you know, what

731
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Speaker 4: I mean with this topic go and so right or wrong?

732
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Speaker 4: I feel like this kind of in a journey for me, it's.

733
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Speaker 2: Good the stumbles. Like we talked about the trials, you know,

734
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: and everything they produce and like have enjoyed through. But

735
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Speaker 2: as another verse says, God will permit the righteous to stumble,

736
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Speaker 2: but he won't let him fall.

737
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Speaker 5: You talked about always feeling protected. He talks about.

738
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Speaker 2: Man, I add some moments, you know, where I felt

739
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: like I'm not in the I'm stumbling, right, But I

740
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: think the enemy's plan is to make you feel shame,

741
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: you know. To says he's the accuser. You know, that's

742
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: one of his name is he wants to make you

743
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: feel disconnected, not good enough. That God says he'll permit

744
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: the righteous to stumble, he won't let them fall. And

745
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful, shame chain breaker kind of language,

746
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: and just seeing that in your journey, it's like, well,

747
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: if the trials are producing a maturity, completion, lacking nothing, man,

748
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: surely the stumbles when I feel not good enough, when

749
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: I feel Paul says, I'll boast in my weakness because

750
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: in that when I am feeling when the enemy is

751
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: trying to say, man, you're this You're a bad dude.

752
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: God's saying, like, man, my power is made perfect in

753
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: this moment, in under grace. In this the closeness of

754
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: grace and the relationship of the father's arms. At the

755
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: end of the road, as the son comes home, I

756
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: was like the tightest hug and it's like you just

757
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, you wake up and the son who stayed home,

758
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: you know, gets a hug every day. But man, I

759
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: tell you this something special about the hug at the

760
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: end of a long road that God not only is like,

761
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: oh well, at least you came back, you know, it's

762
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: like he permits. And I think about as in this

763
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: is an interesting father question when any of my kids

764
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: mess up and learn a lesson, my father's heart is like,

765
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm so like more love, but like I'm so grateful

766
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: that that stumble happened because of what I'm so proud

767
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: of my son. You know, I'm so I feel close

768
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: to him. I just embrace him and I'm like you

769
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: he's like, feels bad. I'm like, dude, I just I

770
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: love you. Like this is how this is path of

771
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: the course. This is what it looks like to live

772
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: under grace. So what is that, how has that been

773
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: speaking to that a little bit? And maybe even just

774
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: encourage people, like I feel like you've got so much

775
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: depth in you to just like encourage people in that

776
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: space of like your experience with living under Grace you're

777
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: experiencing with the stumbles someone's feeling, like the guilt, the shame,

778
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: the accusations.

779
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: What's your encouragement?

780
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Speaker 4: I mean to put it simply, I would just say,

781
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: there's always a place to go, you know. I mean

782
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: I think when I feel my when I'm having my

783
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: worst days or feeling super down or not myself, like,

784
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I have that reminder of like, Okay,

785
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: I know where to go for this.

786
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: You know, I know where to I.

787
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: Know who to talk to, and I got a lot

788
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 4: of great friends, a lot of great therapists and all that.

789
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: But ultimately, when I talk to Jesus and lean into him,

790
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: it always helps, man, it really does. You can really

791
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: genuinely feel what he talks about and the peace and

792
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: the joy, and and it's not always easy, and it's

793
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: not always immediate. And sometimes I fight my own you know,

794
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: my own thoughts and my own uh, just the world

795
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: that we live in.

796
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: You know, it's not easy.

797
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: So I don't want to take away from that, but

798
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 4: I would say anytime I'm going through a hard time

799
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: or for anyone who is, like, that's the that's the truth. Man,

800
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of freedom and knowing where to

801
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: go home to.

802
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: You know.

803
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we always love to hear just

804
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: tangibly like things that God's teaching people. Is there something

805
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: happening in your life right now where God is just

806
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: He's showing up and He's teaching you something that you're

807
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: just like, your mind's just blown a little bit.

808
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: Well, this is so funny and it sort of answers

809
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: your question. But even going back to what you just

810
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: said about stumbling and leting God permitting us to stumble

811
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 4: at times like and the connection between us as parents

812
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: and then Jesus as a parent or a father figure.

813
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: And yesterday I just posted it on Instagram just I

814
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: don't post that often, but I thought this is pretty funny.

815
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: So like I started doing this thing with my boys

816
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 4: where they want to run through the house all the time.

817
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: They just run in our house, hitting that big and

818
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 4: it's you can hear everything and it just sounds like

819
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: a hurricane half the time upstairs, so they want to

820
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: just run. So yesterday, or I started doing this a

821
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: few days ago, I just told my wife, I'm like,

822
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: all right, they want to run. I'd say, boys, come here,

823
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 4: and they come down.

824
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: What's up?

825
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: I say, get your shoes on, We're going outside, and

826
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 4: we'd go and I'd just run them up and down

827
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: the driveway and I'd sit on the back of my

828
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: truck and just watch him run, watch them run for

829
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: like twenty thirty minutes until they.

830
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: Were so tired.

831
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: And literally yesterday, one of them falls down and he

832
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: could you could tell he like falls on the concrete.

833
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: He like kind of scrapes his elbow up and he's

834
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: looking at me like like, what.

835
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be?

836
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: But I could tell he was okay, he wasn't super hurt,

837
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: and so I just kind of sat there let him stumble,

838
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: and then he slowed he got up, and I'm like,

839
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: you got this, buddy, And then he got up and

840
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: came and it was like that moment that you talk about.

841
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: We're like, all right, I want to I want to

842
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: discipline you guys and make sure that you understand certain

843
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: things and the importance of doing what I say, and

844
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to allow you to wear yourself out and

845
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: do something that's not fun and even fall. But like

846
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: you know, that embrace afterwards was that much sweeter, you

847
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And they had that much more

848
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: respect and uh and you know, just there's so many

849
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: like analogies between the way God loves us and even

850
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: that little silly story from this weekend.

851
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: But I don't know if that answers your question. No, Yeah,

852
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: that's all that's good.

853
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: I keep hearing like the word fruit, and I just love,

854
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: like tangibly the fruit of you teaching your children, you know,

855
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: lessons and you know about Jesus and things like that.

856
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: I think that's such kind of talking about what we

857
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, like a legacy that is so sweet

858
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: and tangibly seeing that fruit and knowing that you know

859
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: you're passing these things down. Have you had any other

860
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: encounters where maybe a fan has said, hey, listen, I

861
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: heard you talk about Jesus one time and I decided

862
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: to go to church, or those moments of like teaching

863
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: your kids just like tangible fruit that you've seen.

864
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean speaking of fruit, you know, like literally

865
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 4: are we homeschool our kids, and they have this song

866
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: they sing this. I didn't teach it to them, to

867
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: be honest, they learned it somewhere else. But it's the

868
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: fruits of the Spirit song. So they sing it all

869
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: the time and it's pretty you know. At first, I'm like,

870
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: this is obnoxious, but then you're like, this is actually

871
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: really great. Like they know all the fruits of the

872
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: spirit already, they're like, and we're talking about them, like

873
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: what does that mean? What does that mean?

874
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: All right?

875
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: You know, and even like currently, like one fruit of

876
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: the spirit that doesn't get talked about a lot of self,

877
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: you know, And so with them, I can really say like, hey, guys,

878
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: I know your body in your mind wants to do this,

879
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: but you have the spirit in you, which means you

880
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: have self control, which means you can control yourself.

881
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

882
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna need you to do that right now.

883
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: But uh, even for me, like like this week.

884
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: I'm doing this cleanse with my wife. It's really quite honestly,

885
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: it's fairly extreme, and it's just very limited on what

886
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: I can eat, and you know this and that, and

887
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: I'm so used to a culture in the world that's

888
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: you want it here it is. You know you want

889
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: to you know you want it now all right here

890
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: it is now, And sometimes like a little bit of

891
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: practice in that self control. Like I told Haley, I'm like,

892
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: this is so hard for me because i feel pretty

893
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: good even before we do this cleanse and I really

894
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: don't want to do it, but I'm just doing it

895
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: because i know I'm going to feel even better and

896
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: I want to just do it.

897
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 3: With you and this and that.

898
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: But the main thing is like I'm like, it actually

899
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: feels good to like really practice like real self control,

900
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: to be like to.

901
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: Really say no. And so I know that's the last of.

902
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: The free to the spirit, but to me, it's one

903
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: of those things that in our world, especially as a parent,

904
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: self control is something that resonates with me all the time,

905
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: even with how I'm parenting, I'm like, control yourself. I

906
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: know you want to go crazy on these kids right now.

907
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: But may Yeah, So anyways, that's tough.

908
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Self control is one of those I feel like that

909
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: we all, like you were talking earlier about like convictions

910
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: and like idols right like this right here, talk about

911
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: self control. It's the first thing you pick up in

912
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: the morning, and I'm like, if I would just move

913
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: it and put my Bible next to my bed, would

914
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: I pick up my Bible first? Or would I get

915
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: up and go across the room and pick up my

916
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: phone first.

917
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: It's just like such a it's true.

918
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, dude, there's a really interesting new study human

919
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: Andrew Hubman, if you know, he was talking about it

920
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, that's because I really believe,

921
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, keep coming back to the Bible, and so

922
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: we should. But I really believe, like there's so many

923
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: things that we were just reading like yeah, yeah, cool,

924
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: like principle, but like the way that it's knit into

925
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: science and it's tethered into truth, like ultimate truth is

926
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, one of the verses it talks about, like,

927
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, obeying my commands you'll live a long life.

928
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 5: Obeying his commands are hard.

929
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about self control, doing things you

930
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: don't want to do, like you know, it's like it

931
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: feels good, like because you can feel like what it's doing.

932
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: But the study basically talks about in people who live longer, statistically,

933
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: there's a part of their brain that's larger, you know

934
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: than normal people, like slightly larger on a consistent basis,

935
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: so long life tied with this area of the brain

936
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: which grows by doing things you don't want to do.

937
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: So people who have a stronger part of their mind

938
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: in this area physically have a bigger part of their

939
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: brain but also has a longer life. So you take

940
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: that scripture and you're like, that's not just an idea

941
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: of like you thought, that's a literal can prove it study,

942
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: So like to hear you say that, like, that's exactly

943
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: where I've been. It's like, man, I want it. What

944
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: can I do that I don't want to do that?

945
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: I can practice self control practice like that, you.

946
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 4: Know, even if it's a silly thing like the ice

947
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: bath or whatever, is like making your life.

948
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: I know, something that you don't want to do, all right,

949
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: I can do it. That's me in the gym.

950
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: I'm like I have to do it three to four

951
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: times a week. That's that's something hard. And then it's

952
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: like nine pm and I'm like, I said I would

953
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: do it today, So yeah.

954
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: That's what encouragement. It's like I'll do it with someone.

955
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: It's harder for me that like you're doing it with

956
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: your wife, you know, it's like that, oh yeah, like together,

957
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: and it's like encouragement. And that's where I like, we

958
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: need to encourage each other, just like, yeah, let's do

959
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: it together, like that hard thing. Let's read the Bible

960
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: together in the you like I.

961
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Had a smash burger yesterday. If my wife weren't sitting.

962
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: With me, for I did have a smash burger, I'm sorry.

963
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: Oh that's true.

964
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: And I think in this community too, like as we

965
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: as we connect the dots with like you know, Nashville

966
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: and country music and the music can be and in general,

967
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: it's really nice when you have a community around you

968
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: that's working for the same goal, you know what I mean,

969
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 4: and can somewhat be without using a Sunday School like term,

970
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: but like an accountability partner, you know what I mean.

971
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: In a sense, we're like, yo, my homies might not

972
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 4: know everything about me, but they but they know who

973
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: I am and what I want to reflect and I

974
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: need to make sure that I'm you know, staying on course.

975
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 5: You know, it's the Jesus model.

976
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: It's like he sent him out to the world like

977
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: sheep among wolves two by two for a reason. All right,

978
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: it was like, why did you choose that model? It's

979
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: like the disciples. It was like, hey, you ever run

980
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: off on your own, It's like he sent them out.

981
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: So accountability partner, man, is like so real and practical

982
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 2: and part of the model the blueprint God's given.

983
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: It's having a partner to do life with you.

984
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: That's what Believers is about.

985
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: In the music industry, it's creating a space for people

986
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: to not feel alone because you weren't meant to.

987
00:41:59,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: You know.

988
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: It was like Jesus never sent out anyone out of line,

989
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: encourage shop and equip accountability because it's really hard to

990
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: do hot things, which were yeah, yeah.

991
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: Right man, that's so good. Well, as we wrap up,

992
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: I always like to ask, just personally in your life

993
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: right now, how can we be praying for you and

994
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: your family or your career or what are things that

995
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: you're believing for you.

996
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: Know, I'm still praying for discernment.

997
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 5: You know.

998
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: I'm making a lot of decisions in the next two

999
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: months three months, all the way from creative you know,

1000
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: my music, to more business side of things and the

1001
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 4: team and the infrastructure. So that's what i want more

1002
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: than anything right now on the business side. And then

1003
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: I'm always also praying and I can always use more

1004
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: prayer for just balance your work life balance and being

1005
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: a present dad and present husband.

1006
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well I'm going to pray us out

1007
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: if that's all right.

1008
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 5: I love it.

1009
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, dear hearnly Father, Lord, thank you for this day.

1010
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for these microphones to allow us to use

1011
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: them to glorify you.

1012
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: God.

1013
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: And we just we're paying over time today and his

1014
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: family Lord, as he continues this cleanse that you would

1015
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: just continue to give him that self control, that you

1016
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: would just give him the discernment that he is yearning towards. Lord,

1017
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: and that you would just speak clearly to him, that

1018
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: the noise of the outside world would just continue to

1019
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit quieter, Lord, and that your voice

1020
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: would be louder. That you would give him that discernment

1021
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: that he's asking for, and that you would help him

1022
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: to continue to find balance in his workspace and his

1023
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: personal life. Lord, that you would just bless his family,

1024
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: That you would watch over Haley and his three children. God,

1025
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: that you would just continue to give them, just keep

1026
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: giving them fruit. That you would just give him the

1027
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: discernment he needs, not only in his career, but as

1028
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: a father and a husband to Lord, and we thank

1029
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: you for this podcast, and we just thank you for

1030
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: all the people that are behind the scenes, and we're

1031
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: just coming to you with a grateful spirit today, Lord

1032
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: and your heaven lean it. We pray Amen man, thank

1033
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: you of course many.

1034
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: M m

1035
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: M m hmm.