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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,

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Speaker 1: our friend Ryan Grodowsky returns. He is the founder of

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Speaker 1: the seventeen to seventy six Project Pack, and he'll tell

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Speaker 1: us a bit about what they've been up to. Also,

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Speaker 1: his sub stack, which is the National Populist newsletter, is

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Speaker 1: phenomenal and you should all check it out subscribe to

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Speaker 1: it on substack. We're going to talk about Trump, DeSantis,

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Speaker 1: Biden versus whoever early states, the twenty twenty four process,

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Speaker 1: how it's all shaken out, how it's looking in some

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Speaker 1: school board stuff. So deep dive in into politics here, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this one. We'll we'll do this in

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Speaker 1: what will be effectively chronological order. How's the Trump DeSantis

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Speaker 1: reality playing out right now?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Trump is Trump is obviously way ahead. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's probably ahead in every single state he's game. Trump

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Speaker 2: had massive losses after the primary the general election of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two because most of his candidates lost. He

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Speaker 2: backed a lot of losers, and I think with the

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Speaker 2: exception of like one one candidate in every state that

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Speaker 2: he lost in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty, rather all

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Speaker 2: of his candidates lost I think just the lieutenant governor

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Speaker 2: of George was the only one who won. So people

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Speaker 2: were frowning on him because he couldn't win elections. And

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Speaker 2: then you know, time kind of heals all wounds and

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Speaker 2: people forgot. And he also had that arrest, which was

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Speaker 2: that Dine sentence, and there was a rally on the

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Speaker 2: king effect, and I think that that is definitely benefiting him.

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Speaker 2: And he's really the only one actually running. Trump has

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Speaker 2: an effective team actually working. Desanda's done up. He just

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a real campaign operation.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to what do you say to

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Speaker 1: people Ryan who at this point say, well, hold on

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Speaker 1: a second, DeSantis isn't really a candidate yet, so it's

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Speaker 1: not fair to assess how he's doing as a candidate.

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Speaker 2: That is true. You can have an operation when you

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Speaker 2: are not a candidate too, as a precursor. So you

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Speaker 2: could have a surrogacy program right when he'd have people,

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Speaker 2: high profile people on television every day defending him, promoting him,

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Speaker 2: attacking Trump as a precursor that doesn't exist. You could

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Speaker 2: have early endorsements as far as the ground game lined

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Speaker 2: up in the important first few states. That isn't happening.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Lee Zelden, who was supposed to allegedly be

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Speaker 2: one of the key people in his New York campaign.

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Speaker 2: New York is I think the fifth or sixth state

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Speaker 2: to vote in this primary cycle at this time because

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Speaker 2: they switch. He just endorsed Trump. He doesn't have an

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Speaker 2: effective operation in the slightest. He's doing these book tour

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Speaker 2: events and he's going to Japan, and it is extraordinarily

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Speaker 2: tone deaf for the moment. And he really hasn't had

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Speaker 2: a big news story since the six week abortion Man,

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Speaker 2: which is hugely unpopular. So the last big news story

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Speaker 2: is the abortion man, wildly unpopular. It's that's unpopular to

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Speaker 2: defund the police, and he has no ceregacy program to

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Speaker 2: defend him on television and radio every day, and he

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Speaker 2: has no operation to start building out early early state organization.

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Speaker 2: He literally just lost some of his key people to Trump.

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Speaker 2: So that is not that is clearly not evan that

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Speaker 2: he's actually running a real operation in any sense of

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Speaker 2: the word. And Trump is. And Trump has Susie Wiles

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Speaker 2: who as this political campaign person who is one of

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Speaker 2: the best in the business. Susie is brilliant and she

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Speaker 2: it's not private public information. She hates rond De Santas,

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Speaker 2: and she is you know.

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Speaker 1: Why does she hate Why does she hate Ronda Santis?

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Speaker 1: Because you're an insider with this stuff, A lot of

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Speaker 1: people won't know that. Why is there beef there?

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Speaker 2: Ron got her fired for allegedly leaking materials and she

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Speaker 2: she says she never really did. So that's the entire fight.

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Speaker 2: The fight is over the fact that she got fired

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Speaker 2: in a campaign, I think the twenty twenty presidential campaign.

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Speaker 2: She got fired from out of deference to Dissantas, who

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Speaker 2: Disanta's and he's very good at not having people leak

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Speaker 2: in his operation. And she says that she never did it.

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Speaker 2: And that's literally in the feud.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So there's like a blood feud in the midst

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you noticed that Trump is going harder

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Speaker 2: on Desanta's. It's not just because he's a primary opponent.

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Speaker 2: I would estimate there are people within that camp who

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Speaker 1: Wow, what could DeSantis do at this point? In your mind?

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Speaker 1: What has to happen for him to try to make

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Speaker 2: One, he needs a national message. Flora Freedom lives in

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Speaker 2: Florida is not a national message. It's not You're not

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Speaker 2: actual I read his book too, there's no national message

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Speaker 2: you can't make every state Florida. It's just not actually possible.

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Speaker 2: So what are you going to do for the industrial Midwest?

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do for the Southwest? What

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do in in in places

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Speaker 2: that are key swing congressional districts that need Republican support

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Speaker 2: like in you know, in Oregon's fourth and fifth district,

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Speaker 2: their House candidates. What are you do for any of

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Speaker 2: those people? There's no national message. Florida lives free is

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Speaker 2: not Freedom was in Florida is not a national message.

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Speaker 2: What goes to die is not a national message. I

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Speaker 2: want something that sits there and says, if I close

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Speaker 2: my eyes, I can envision like a country that that

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Speaker 2: Nda Sanda's leads. That's not there. He needs a surahcacy

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Speaker 2: program to attack Trump every single solitary day on media.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do it, but he has to

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Speaker 2: have people who do it. Nicki Haley is not doing it.

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Speaker 2: She only attacking him, and Asill Hutchins, no one's gonna

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Speaker 2: care about and Viveck doesn't do it either. And you

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Speaker 2: need and you need endorsements to start coming, and you

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Speaker 2: need a national rally about you and say why you can't.

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Speaker 2: It's so bad right now for the Desanta's team that

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Speaker 2: in the morn Console poll, Republicans view Trump is more

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Speaker 2: electable than Desanta's, which is amfatomically and like any sense

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Speaker 2: of the word. But he's lost even messaging on that.

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Speaker 2: Trump is the greatest person when it comes to branding

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Speaker 2: in the history of the world, him and Kim Kardashian.

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Speaker 2: It's really true. And he has branded himself on certain

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Speaker 2: things as being an outsider when he's an insider, as

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Speaker 2: being a winner when he's a loser, like with elections,

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Speaker 2: as being somebody who's accomplished things that he never accomplished,

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Speaker 2: never built a wall, like he says these things to

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Speaker 2: these supporters, and he's branded himself to these things to

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Speaker 2: the same way that people believe in smoking was good

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Speaker 2: been like you know, real national government for four years

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Speaker 2: and he, I mean, the brand of freedom is not

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Speaker 1: Tell me this, is there any polling? Is there any data,

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Speaker 1: any numbers that can give us some sense as to

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Speaker 1: whether Dessanta is because you said, Trump has branded himself

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Speaker 1: as a winner. And it's interesting because even bringing up

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Speaker 1: it's really difficult to have a conference. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: what what can be done to have a different outcome

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Speaker 1: than twenty twenty? And I'll get people who will say, well,

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Speaker 1: we don't need a different outcome. Than twenty twenty, because

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Speaker 2: I say, tried himself. Trump himself privately has said he's lost,

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Speaker 2: like but his branded himself is a winner.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you see what I mean, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: with that portion of the GOP base that's going to say, no,

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Speaker 1: the strategy was great last time, we just need the

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Speaker 1: same strategy this time. Let me put this a better way.

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Speaker 1: If DeSantis and his surrogates, once DeSantis gets in this race,

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Speaker 1: which we're all expecting to happen, if they attract, if

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Speaker 1: they attack Trump for being a loser in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: is that going to poison the base against him? Or

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Speaker 1: is that an effective tactic.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis himself does not have to sit there and say that,

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Speaker 2: although a debate post is going to ask him that

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Speaker 2: question point blank, like you will ask like a debate

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Speaker 2: host will ask every question. De Santa's could sit there

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Speaker 2: and say they were outside people affecting the election, like

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Speaker 2: social media and blocking a Hunter Biden, which.

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Speaker 1: That's all true, by the way, that's all real. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course that it was fixed.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't exactly stone. There's a difference. There was definitely

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Speaker 2: people putting their thumbs on the scale against Trump. Guess what,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Republican verse Democrat politics that will always exist,

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Speaker 2: that exists under George W. Bush as well. There was

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Speaker 2: like the main difference I wrote with this is my

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Speaker 2: and Tony is a fabulous polster. He's and Tony, by

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Speaker 2: the way, has said over and over the election wasn't stolen.

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Speaker 2: But that's besides the point Tony said, among people who

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Speaker 2: In both cases, they support Biden over Trump by a

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Speaker 2: manager of fifty one to fifteen. So he's losing that

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Speaker 2: by twenty points. He's losing them by almost forty points

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Speaker 2: this time. So there's no yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I was just going to say, I want to

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Speaker 1: return to this. I just want to take a moment

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Speaker 1: for our sponsor here because I want to ask these

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Speaker 1: two questions. Where does Trump stand? Which is a continuation

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Speaker 1: what you're going to say, and I'm sorry to cut

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Speaker 1: you off it in me too, but where does Trump

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Speaker 1: stand visa VI Biden? Based on the numbers right now?

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Speaker 1: What does that tell us about where it's going in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four? And then, because I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: what you say maybe a little depressing, what could Trump

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Speaker 1: do as the nominee to get the numbers he needs

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Speaker 1: a second, so we're not just all like super depressed,

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Speaker 1: like why are we even having an election? Because sometimes

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Speaker 1: I hear people talk about that's how it feels. But

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Speaker 1: how many more headlines and much more speculation of our

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Speaker 1: dollar no longer being the world's currency do you need

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Speaker 1: purchase of gold. Look, I'm like you. I want our

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Speaker 2: Not many? I mean not the people they just I

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Speaker 1: all of his promises and got everything done that he

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: How.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know what to say to that, because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, because it's clear that it wouldn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And and and then I say to them, I voted

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Speaker 1: for Trump twice. I thought overall, you know, he did,

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Speaker 1: he did well as as president, and obviously vote for

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Speaker 1: me against Joe Biden. No, it doesn't matter. I have

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Speaker 1: to agree with all this other stuff or else. There's

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Speaker 1: like a sense of betrayal, like how could you be

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm supposed to I'm supposed to say.

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say that Florida sucks, the wall was built.

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Speaker 1: You know, these are things I'm supposed to say or else.

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Speaker 1: There are some people, maybe it's a small part, but

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Speaker 1: they get mad at me, and I don't really know

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Speaker 1: what I can say to them. I don't really know

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Speaker 1: how to I get a little flabbergasted by it.

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Speaker 2: I guess, well, I'm not out for a popularity kind of.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if they get mad at me. But

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Speaker 2: the point is, and they can troll me all day

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Speaker 2: on Twitter. I don't do the comments, so I just

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Speaker 2: listen never. There are a ton of people in the media,

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Speaker 2: and I go on the media a lot, so I

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Speaker 2: can consider it's a part of conservative media. But a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who will openly lie to the viewers,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of them every single solitary day. They're

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Speaker 2: paid to lie. A lot of them are paid by

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Speaker 2: campaigns secretly, or organizations that are supported by campaigns. It's

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Speaker 2: a lie, straightforward to lie every single solitary day. Some

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Speaker 2: believe the lie, but most do not. And at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, my consciousness there and says, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if there's there's a wall built, how are all these

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Speaker 2: migrants crossing the wall? Where? How are where? We see

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Speaker 2: tons of video footage of migrants walking across the border?

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Speaker 2: Why are they being stopped by that wall? But Trump built,

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Speaker 2: and he built fifteen miles, which is okay, better than nothing.

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Speaker 2: But if conquer stuff in the fifteen miles built? Or

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Speaker 2: did he not try? Why did he? Why did why?

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Speaker 2: Why did Donald Trump push most of his most of

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Speaker 2: his politics to his Democrats on the law only?

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Speaker 1: I could I get somebody who is all all in

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Speaker 1: on Trump on the other side already?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Can I try to? I want to moderate a Could

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Speaker 1: we do like a show where I will moderate the

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Speaker 1: day between you two?

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Speaker 2: Let's do it? Yeah, listen, And I don't comment this

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Speaker 2: as some I'm not Bill Crystal, I'm not you know,

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Speaker 2: Cindy McCain. I voted for Donald Trump every time he

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Speaker 2: was on the ballot. The day he came down that

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Speaker 2: golden escalator, I said, he's my guy, like a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. But like a lot of people who came

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Speaker 2: to Trump to support him. I didn't support him because

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Speaker 2: he was on the Apprentice. I didn't support him because

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Speaker 2: you know he was going to tell McConnell f himself

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Speaker 2: and act like an asshole on Twitter. Scuse my langage,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to I wasn't. I didn't support I

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Speaker 2: support him because he said our country is fundamentally broken

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Speaker 2: by our elite, which I still agree with. I still

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Speaker 2: agree with every policy he put forward. In twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: I voted for him to be president, and very few

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Speaker 2: of those policies ever got accomplished. And it's not because

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Speaker 2: the chance wasn't there. It was that we didn't have

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Speaker 2: a leader who even exercised that chance. And let me

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Speaker 2: give you one little example. He could not get the

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Speaker 2: Raiz Act done, the Raise Act, which would have altered

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Speaker 2: our immigration policy fundamentally for the better. He could not

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Speaker 2: get Republicans to sign on to it, or Democrats is

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Speaker 2: when they had the majority in both houses. So you

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Speaker 2: know what he should have done. He should have sat

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Speaker 2: there to say, Nancy posts, Mitch McConnell, the president has

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Speaker 2: the sole authority to withhold any class or any single

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Speaker 2: immigrant that they want to on their own, you know. Latterly,

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Speaker 2: if Trump called, just provide him with Briden's president day.

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Speaker 2: If Biden said, guess what, guys, no more redheads in

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Speaker 2: this country. He has unilateral authority. No one can tell

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Speaker 2: him no, I had that authority. You know what he

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Speaker 2: was doing. He was meeting with Jeff Bezos saying how

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos needs more immigrants.

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Speaker 1: So hold on it, yeah, hold on a second. I

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Speaker 1: got to reach for some scotch here while we're doing

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Speaker 1: this podcast, okay, And I need to. I need to

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Speaker 1: numb the pain of what you're telling me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I do by the way I want to have

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Speaker 1: because this needs to happen, because what the situation right

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Speaker 1: now is we just have people who the the line

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Speaker 1: from the Trump surrogates is agree with everything, or you're

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Speaker 1: a trader and cap and twenty twenty never happened. And

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Speaker 1: I sit here and I say, I've supported Trump for years.

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Speaker 1: I've supported Trump in ways that have cost me, friends,

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Speaker 1: have cost me, you know, peace of mind, just like

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Speaker 1: walking into events and stuff from psychopaths. We're threating, like

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Speaker 1: you know I've been, and I'm just trying to make

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Speaker 1: sure or we don't lose again and that is on it.

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Speaker 2: That is I would ask, I don't want I think

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Speaker 2: I want to estimate this way though. Look, we Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden has a very real chance of picking Alito and

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Speaker 2: Clarence's replacements, Clarence Thomas's replacements on the Supreme Court. There's

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Speaker 2: a very real chance that that could happen in our future.

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Speaker 2: And we have nine Democrats in swing to swing states

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Speaker 2: and the US sent it up for a vote in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. We can't screw around. This isn't for

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Speaker 2: you know, shits and giggles. This is a real thing

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Speaker 2: for the future of our country in a real fundamental way.

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Speaker 2: And we just can't sit there with a guy who

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Speaker 2: just released the book making fun of John McCain's funeral again,

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Speaker 2: Like it's been five years that he has been dead.

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Speaker 2: What are you still angry about? Like what kind of

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Speaker 2: person are you? You just lost Arizona. Carrie Lake just

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Speaker 2: lost Arizona. But masters just lost Arizona. So you're a

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Speaker 2: plan is let me release a book where I should

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Speaker 2: on John McCain a year before they when only three

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Speaker 2: states really matter Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. I mean that

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Speaker 1: All right, right, we're gonna come back. We're gonna come

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Speaker 2: from that fight. Altogether, it's never going to happen. To

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Speaker 2: To fight for something hard and possibly lose for something

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Speaker 2: away from the whole twenty twenty conversation entirely not important.

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Speaker 2: Talking about really living January sixth not important. What's important

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Speaker 2: three years ago. The conversation is what's going on for

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Speaker 2: that kid in a classroom today who has that experience

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Speaker 2: of massive learning loss, who is more likely if they

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Baltimore and Louisiana, New Orleans. What are we

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Speaker 2: going to sit there and have a real conversation about

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Speaker 2: how how are we going to prevent like another COVID

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Speaker 2: from happening. You know, everything Trump ever said in twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen was true about how we don't have a manufacturing

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Speaker 2: based in this country, and we still don't have one.

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Speaker 2: And the job the manufacturing jobs that did come back

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Speaker 2: under Trump didn't come back to the Midwest. They came

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Speaker 2: back to Arizona, to Nevada, to California, to Texas, to Florida.

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Speaker 2: They didn't come back to the rustbels. How are we

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Speaker 2: actually going to make a real positive investment in places

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Speaker 2: that people are are just leaving and how are we

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Speaker 2: going to make those How is the federal government the

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Speaker 2: same federal government that killed those places by putting China

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Speaker 2: into into the free trade to the World Trade Organization

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Speaker 2: and giving free trade to China? How are we going

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Speaker 2: to reinstate those people's hopes and fears? Those are the

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Speaker 2: kinds of conversations that need to be happy, you know,

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Speaker 2: we need to have. How are we going to protect

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Speaker 2: the border and literally thousands of people on the terrascet

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Speaker 2: watchers have crossed our border. Those those are stations that

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Speaker 1: As you want to There's something I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you of. I meaned to ask you this again based

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Speaker 1: on what we can see from the numbers. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: having been close enough to the Afghanistan issue specifically and

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Speaker 1: you know, at policy level and everything else being over there,

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan is gonna win US votes. I think it's crazy

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Speaker 1: because ultimately, and a lot of people don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear this, but we're not in Afghanistan anymore. That's the truth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not there, so we can talk about that, the

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Speaker 1: withdrawal and it was a mess, and it was you know,

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Speaker 1: it was the people in charge look like idiots. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all true, but that's not going to win us the election.

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Speaker 1: Right Ukraine? How does Ukraine factor into all this? Do

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Speaker 1: people care? And if they care enough that it matters

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Speaker 1: for the election, what does it look like for us

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Speaker 1: to try to use the Ukraine issue in order to show,

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Speaker 1: you know, endless war is a bad idea, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Well more important than US wars are. Pent Ton has

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Speaker 2: even stated we don't have military equipment left anymore given

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Speaker 2: military equipment shortages, and like here's I think the way

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Speaker 2: who's Russia's ally to give to Ukraine to fight Russia,

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Speaker 2: so we could hit with the debt and the inflation

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Speaker 2: War is over and we want it, and it's gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you can. You got to win Ohio

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Speaker 2: and West Virginia, the and just to defend Texas. And

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Speaker 2: I think the map is so good. The map is

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Speaker 2: excellent this time around. You have so many opportunities to

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Speaker 2: win the Senate. It would be it's really unbelievable if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: What's the Is there any place where we could try

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is there any place we could

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Speaker 1: pick up a seat where it'll really piss the Democrats off?

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Speaker 1: Because that's always exciting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we have the chance of Arizona because

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Speaker 2: Democrat this time is even less puper than the government

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Speaker 2: democrat last time. You don't have Georgia this time. I

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Speaker 2: think it's in twenty six but you do have you

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Speaker 2: have a ton of places. There's like that's.

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Speaker 1: Five, Arizona is kind of what I mean, Arizona would

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Speaker 1: be like that would be a morale win too, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah there, I was just there for school board stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it would be a huge win, and it's totally possible.

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Speaker 2: And I think cinema hates the Democrats more than shades

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Speaker 2: the Republicans. So we have noways be huge and I

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Speaker 2: think that there's other by you think New Hampshire is

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Speaker 2: up to which would be a huge win. We haven't

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Speaker 2: had to win there in since twenty sixteen, as when

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Speaker 2: we lost our Senate seat. There wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania is uplo. It's a tough, tougher road. Michigan is

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Speaker 2: an open seat that would be great if it's possible.

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin is, I believe as well. So there's there's nine

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Speaker 2: states right there that are swing states, red states that

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Speaker 2: if you have a red wave with a present who's

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Speaker 2: remarkably unpopular, as long as you don't run anybody who's

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Speaker 2: even less unpopular, you know even in twenty eighteen we

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Speaker 2: picked up Senate seats, so it's totally possible we had

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Speaker 2: a net game for three sentence seats I believe it was,

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Speaker 2: and there were two sentence seats in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: I'll take this. I'll take this closing happy meal from

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Speaker 1: Gerdusky here gratefully and not ask him any more questions.

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Speaker 1: It's likes has no chance, Trump, has no chance, it

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Speaker 1: gets by, and it was a little depressing the Senate. However,

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Speaker 1: looking good for us folks. So take that one home

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Speaker 1: with you, and you know it's those better days ahead.

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Speaker 1: I promise Roan Gerdusky go check out the seventeen seventy

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Speaker 1: look up National Populis Newsletter, or just google your name.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Peoples, like, how do I spell his name? I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 1: it's close enough. Some kind of Polish thing for Dusky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that ten percent Polish really handy.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Buck,