WEBVTT - Defining Our Cancellation Policy | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.400 Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.880 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.640 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:09.440 Home, y'all. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.719 This is this week's mini pod. We have a continuation 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:17.239 of our conversation. We started talking about what happened the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.840 fallout with Chili, their likes on social her shares, reposts, 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.880 her politics perhaps, and we also had a conversation about 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.520 Nick Cannon's car ride with Amber Rose. Of course, these 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.239 are just the latest examples of people who are in 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.640 the public eye who support Donald Trump, or at least 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:37.120 appear to. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.760 I think the question I would like for us. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.400 To focus on on this part of the show is, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.880 you know, what is the barometer for how people get 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.040 held accountable? Can they come back? If they can come back, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.960 how do they come back? And really how we hold 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.520 ourselves accountable for the hypocrisy that exists. And you know, 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.080 the folks who drive tesla's, or the folks who use X, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.000 some of us who still pay for you know, to 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.600 make sure that we keep a blue check because we 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.480 think in some way that means they won't hack into 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:12.480 our accounts or whatever. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:13.760 Our justifications might be. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.479 Those of us who use or overrely on Meta who 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.720 still have iPhones. These are all of the companies and 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.240 I'm just named some who have compromised on DEI who 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.160 have donated to Donald Trump. Some folks are still watching CBS. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.440 We use CBS clips on here. We know that the 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.679 Ellisons are diehard Trump supporters. And now, of course TikTok. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.720 So where do we draw the line? 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:37.160 Y'all? 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.880 Right, that's the question I really have, And I don't 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.800 have the answer here. I'm not calling people out for 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.120 hypocrisy's sake. I'm telling you what I'm using as well, right, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.520 So I'd love to have this conversation and figure out 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:48.520 how we draw the line. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.720 Where do we draw the line? 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.320 Can I layter on? 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:56.040 Just so just another example? Yes, So take for instance 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:03.280 Target and Walmart. Walton's big Republican donors probably have done 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.880 more damage than we could name through their political contributions 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.200 to the hard right and Mitch McConnell and his high 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:15.240 way robbery of Supreme Court justice seats, which again we're 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.320 filling the effects of and will continue to for the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.560 next twenty thirty forty years. But when we launched a 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.799 strike on Target, a lot of folks were saying, well, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:31.320 why not Walmart two? And I was rationalizing in my head, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.760 and again this is a rationalization. I kept thinking my 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.720 trust level had gone respecting trust level had accelerated for 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:47.000 Target during this sort of awakening we experience after the 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.359 death of George Floyd. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.560 And I was really proud to. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.080 Spend a little bit more money with them than some 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:59.320 of their competitors. And so when their wholesale abandonment it 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.720 felt like came down through the shifts following the Trump 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:08.320 administration's demands, with no defense for the actions they had taken, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.240 right just just to flat out like okay, we're done 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.120 with this next move on. It felt like a betrayal. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.720 And so even though I know that the Waltons give 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.600 in that their money impacts us in harmful ways. For me, 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.120 I spend less set Target than I do probably a 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.400 lot of other places. I have withdrew all of my 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.280 resources from there, and having walked back in the door 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.440 since it's been announced and have no plans to that. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:36.960 Was a betrayal that felt very. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.520 Personal, and I felt a little stupid by it because 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.800 I believed and so I don't know how we I 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 think in some ways some of the artists that you 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.080 mentioned have that same kind of an effect. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.000 It's like, okay, cool, so long as. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.640 You're singing in and I don't know about your political leanings, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:54.960 and this is that, and third and what you're doing, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.680 how you vote or if you vote, that kind of thing. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.600 But then when it comes into focus and now I 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.280 see that, no, this isn't like a passing phase, like 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.600 this is what you believe, who you are. It then 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.960 affects me like a betrayal. And so even though other 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.120 artists may you know the guy we jelly roll or 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.120 whoever you know play, I ain't never bought his stuff, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.640 but if he comes in the radio sounds good, I 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.480 might listen and so on. But if they do, I'm 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.760 gonna change the station. I'm going to do what I 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.599 can to avoid them. I'm going to whatever, because there's 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.240 a hurt feeling there, so I don't It doesn't completely 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.800 answer your question, Angela, but I do wonder like, Okay, yeah, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.800 there are a lot of people who harmful things, But 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.120 the thing that then drives me to action is the letdown, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.600 the betrayal, because I had an expectation to begin with. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.040 I think I'm sorry. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.279 I think some of this is that people do I 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:46.479 think two things are true. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.240 One is that it's often used as an excuse, right, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.480 that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. But I 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.840 also think that that is a painful thing to admit 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.680 because we want to be altruistic. People want to stand 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.240 for something, We want to believe in something, and yet 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:09.039 some of the most ubiquitous items in our lives are compromised, right. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.080 And it's very difficult unless you were going to go 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.839 live completely off the grid and become a hermit, to 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:19.960 not engage with a company that has donated or worked 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.960 against your interests. And so I think that what people 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.919 then do is they try to at least have something 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.200 that they can stand for. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:28.560 Right. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.360 So if I can't stand against all of it, I mean, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.240 this is going to air on YouTube, right. Google is compromised, right, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.120 And yet especially with these platforms, I don't want YouTube 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.440 to be without voices like yours, right. I think it's 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.360 I left X very early on. I got my blue 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.279 check back. I never paid for it, but they put 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.680 it back and I had nothing to do with that. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:51.719 I just want to be very clear. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.120 But like I locked my account, the bio says I'm 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.800 not here, and we see what's happened to that platform. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.000 It is not a place for any kind of reliable 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.560 news conversation information, in part because of a great part 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.800 because the algorithm intentionally ruined the ability for people like 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.039 us to be heard, but also because a lot of 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.000 us got off and went elsewhere, And so there's as 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.720 The second piece is that there's a cost benefit analysis 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.000 that I think people do, and I think that that 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.200 is I think we have to understand that for people 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.520 as humans, right like it is if you've got books 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.880 to sell or a side hustle, were you trying to 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.560 sell some merch to people. Getting off of Meta is 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.720 not quite so easy when you're trying to keep food 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.920 on your kids table. But you don't have to buy 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.440 that concert ticket. You don't have to go to Target 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.080 for that item that you can often buy in other places. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.679 I haven't been to Walmart since I was in college 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.480 and was doing going to labor protests, right like, I 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.360 haven't been to Walmart in a while, So we really 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.440 had to rejigger when it was when it was time 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.800 to say goodbye to Target. But the cost benefit analysis 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.920 was that this is something I can stand for, even 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.560 when I can't stand for all all of the other 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.480 things and ways that my consumption is already compromised. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.839 Let me ask you, but it's true. Let me ask 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.480 you this really quick. On this point. You don't have 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.960 to buy that concert ticket. An author does not have 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.560 to sell their books in Target or Walmart. Right, there 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.920 are these, there are these other and and to Andrew's 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.920 point earlier we were talking about the struggles. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.000 Don obviously is. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.840 No longer a part of in Vogue, the one who 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.360 has been living out. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:28.840 Of her car. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.040 But there are other members of these groups in Salt 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.840 and Pepa in in Vogue who don't have any like 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.240 not even the t n LC. They don't have anything 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.080 to do with what's happened, and they will feel the 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.800 impacts of people not going to the concert. Now I've 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.400 had conversations with some folks around them. Sounds like ticket 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.960 sales haven't been impacted, really, like if we're just being 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.840 completely honest, and so I'm just curious to know again, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.200 where do we draw the line and why? Like what 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.560 what is uh? 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:02.440 What is the line? 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:02.560 Like? 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.320 Why is the line the concert ticket? 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.240 And why is not the line going over to support 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.240 spill or going over to support what's the one? Isaac 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.680 Cayes has what's the one of that fan base? Like, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.160 why is the line to punish the black person? Is 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.920 it because the expectations are hired for us like we were, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.720 like like Andrew talked about the disappointment with Target, Like 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:26.120 I get. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.200 Think that's a fair question. Yeah, I will just say 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:29.120 on the concept. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.560 So for me, for example, and I really can't have 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.320 the answer, it's not a loaded when I really am 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:34.400 curious to here, Yeah. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.880 And I don't think that. I think the hard thing 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.080 here is that the answer is not standard across. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.040 The board, and we just need to go ahead and 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:39.600 admit that. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.120 For me, I don't want to be on my Instagram 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.920 shaking it at a concert that I would have very 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:53.160 much enjoyed and then have people who look to me 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.680 and my platform questioning what I'm telling them right, or 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.200 questioning my loyalty or fealty to justice. And that's that's 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.199 not to say that I depend on what other people 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.240 think in me, but for me, that was part of 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:11.360 the that's right that I don't want to unintentionally send 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.640 a message that nobody's forcing me to send. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.360 But are we sending hard number? Car? 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.840 And then I promise I want you to wait in here, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.880 because I want you to actually answer this. Are we 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.920 sending that same mixed message is if where they go 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.320 to find the message is on these same compromised platforms. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:30.319 So what I'm saying is. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.760 If where we're informing them is on a platform that 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.000 has overwhelmingly supported Donald Trump monetarily he was taking off 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.760 of those platforms, he was put back on those platforms, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.679 if where they can find us saying these things are 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.720 on these platforms that have supported Donald Trump in a 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.840 much more full throateded way than Chili or even Nick Cannon, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.599 who passively says, I asked what Trump. He sounds like 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:57.120 he's joking. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:57.600 We don't know. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.960 I haven't talked to him. But let's say that that's 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.120 the case. Are we complicit in that point at that point? 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:08.840 B Yeah, I mean, and. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.880 I think that there's a difference in locus of control. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.040 Go ahead the other beat. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.320 You sound like my mama. My mama says locus of control, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:16.920 go ahead. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.160 I don't know. I just think we're thinking too small. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.360 And the reason being is because I'm not going to 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.719 indict Britney Pacneck Cunningham and her life's long work for 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.360 torking at a TLC concert. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.280 I'm just not the exception. You're not You're the exception. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.520 Yeah, I'm not because I don't because I'm not going to. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:51.760 I don't look. I don't look at people for an action. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.199 I look at people for their habits, right, I don't 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.360 judge people off of one failure. If you make those 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.520 failures habit, then we have an issue. I'm on Twitter 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.920 because I feel like there has to be voices there 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.120 like mine. I'm on Twitter because of course I sell 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.600 books there. I actually got the eight dollar trade what 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.720 you call it, because I was afraid that without double 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.319 authentication that I would be compromised and hacked. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:17.320 Does that make. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.520 Yeah? I mean I was like, look they giving away, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.880 you got to pay eight dollars a month for the authentication. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.960 I know who Elon Musk is, I know how dangerous 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.320 he is. That doesn't mean that I'm not out here 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.760 talking about Uh. The fact that I believe Elon Musk 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.840 to be the epitome of what a white supremacist is 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.480 that his worldview is rooted in racism, right, that that's 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.320 how he was born, It's a culture that he's he is. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.720 He literally imported more racism to this country than you 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.239 can probably imagine, right. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.480 And so, but I don't think that. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.880 I don't think that you can conclude that I'm something 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.880 else because I have an eight dollar subscription to Twitter, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.840 and I know that people do those things and I 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.800 disregard them. Went to Breezy Ball, I mean I did. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.559 I thought it was one of the greatest concerts I've 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:07.000 ever been. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:12.800 To me about the slide, Chris Brown, Yeah, okay, all right, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.400 well that happens some people. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.760 Yeah, I mean I did, but I like this moment. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.400 Let's like I own it. I own it, and I'm like, so, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.240 I mean, I'm not gonna tell you who I was 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:25.760 there with, but. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.200 Do you still listen to her Kelly? 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.360 No, well no I don't. I don't consciously on the occasion, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:32.760 but like. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.240 If somebody plays, I believe I can fly at an 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.360 elementary school program. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:42.959 I'm not down elementary for. 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:43.880 The national anthem. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.000 I stayed for the national anthem. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.040 I haven't. But this is what I mean about personal. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:51.760 But it is it is. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.600 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I know, man, I know so 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.320 many black folks right now that are dying for this 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.720 country is as bad as this country treats us. And 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.400 I think that I think what I'm saying saying is 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.959 that black folk have a uniquely toxic relationship. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.080 With this country. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.920 That it's very difficult for us to begin to nitpick 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.280 the toxicity that we're having to deal with today, and 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.720 we start we started saying, oh my god, this person 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.520 did ex toxic, and then we discount all the good 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.200 work that they've done. I think Charlemagne the God is 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.520 one of the best examples of that, because he is 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.520 one of the culturally most complicated people I know, and 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:29.120 his intellectual curiosity, for example, it drives people wild sometimes 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.240 because he asked questions, and there are people who literally 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.720 will discount him not knowing the work that he does 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.440 in South Carolina, not knowing all of those things. Now, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.520 I don't think he cares a whole lot, but that 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.400 is just that's like one example. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.720 And I don't like that you said toxic in the 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.160 same citizens that isn't my brother. I don't like that. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:50.160 I wasn't calling him toxic by any stretch. But no, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.640 he's one of my best friends in the world, but 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.200 not by any stretch. But what I am saying is 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.359 people will discount him because they don't like the intellectual 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.760 curiosity that he puts out there or they don't like. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.520 People don't even call it intellectual. They won't even they 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.200 won't even say that, and that's unfortunate. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.080 Get but I don't believe anybody of the responsibility that 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.360 you But I'm saying we do. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.360 We throw the baby out with the bath water too much, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.400 That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying that people in 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.440 particular are more complicated. And if Britney wants to dance 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.240 to TLC as much as we dislike Chili, she should 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.280 be able to do that and people will still understand 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.120 the work that Brittany Pagnet Cuttingham has done because we're 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.480 not intellectually like small. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.200 I don't like, I don't discide Chili. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.160 I'm confused about what she's doing, and I want to 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.960 hear from her in earnest and I don't feel like 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.160 I've had that opportunity. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.680 It might have been different if she hadn't lied to us. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.720 I'm not even gonna hold you like I might have 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:43.560 had a different response. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.240 I might not say she was afraid. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.640 Probably, And here's the thing with Kury, I think that 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.640 you're right that black people absolutely have a toxic relationship 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.040 with this country. It's part of the reason why when 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.720 foreigners jump into our our countries convers political conversations right now, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.200 black people would be like, I don't countess in that right, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.000 and I'm still not going. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.560 To breeze ball. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.040 Some of that has to do with my own personal 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.560 life experiences and the fact that I actually will not 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.600 feel physically good in my body standing in there, right. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.080 And so I think that you're right. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.400 We cannot dismiss all a person does if they make 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.080 a mistake, just like we can't dismiss all a person 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.720 does if they engage in something that we personally wouldn't. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.160 And I do think that. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.840 It's dangerous that society has moved to a place sometimes 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.240 it's primarily online, but the society has moved to a 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.360 place where it's that easy to dismiss people, and we're 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.840 not willing to restore to be curious, to ask questions, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.320 to think broadly and longitudinally about somebody's contributions. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.400 But I also think that when people. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:52.480 Are hurt by the choices we make, it is right 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:57.200 and community minded to consider their feelings, even if it's 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.360 not going to change your actions. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.800 And I will say I will say that, and to 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.080 that is because I believe it to be the same 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.880 side of the coin is that we expect grace without 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.440 extending it to others. And I don't believe any of 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.040 the four of us or anybody listening to this is 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.840 the shepherd to the grace that I deserve or the 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.040 grace that I can give. And I think that a 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.160 lot of times we try to own that principle and 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.160 we just we we hored grace like it's something that's 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.760 bestowed upon us by you know, like we're we're the 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.120 creators of it, when we're not. Grace is given by 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.840 God and we It's just that is what makes me 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.360 a little fickle about this conversation. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:40.280 I wish try of us actually gave ourselves grace, because 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.800 I would argue, amongst the four of us, I would 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.400 argue this about your grace deficit that you start by 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.000 to yourself, and that it is it is that it 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.120 happens that you're given in spades for others. I mean, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.320 I used to say along the trail, how often that 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.120 nobody should be judged forever by their worst day. And 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.760 those are my words, those were my feelings. It was 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.200 a way I could scincly express that while there may 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.480 be consequences for the thing that you doing, the choice 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.639 that you made. There shouldn't be a lifetime judgment made 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.480 of you for that thing. And I think I feel 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.320 the same way about all of these other intervals of 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.560 accountability that get to be had. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.040 I love my children more than I love my own life. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.280 That feels like some days. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.640 But guess what, Jackson, I saw that you did bad 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.520 and poorly on that thing, And did you push your 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:28.320 best into it? No? 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:28.800 You didn't. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.080 Okay, Well, that thing you love, that tablet is coming 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.639 with me today and you won't see it again until 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:34.400 this weekend. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:35.240 And he's gonna have. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.160 An attitute, and he's may cry and go in the corner. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:38.800 And da da da da doesn't mean I love you 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.439 any lesson. In fact, you ought to worry when I 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.040 don't take it from you, that's when you ought to 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.600 be at concern. So we do these things largely as 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:51.240 an I feel like an outflow because we had expectation, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.920 because we had hopes, because we felt a type of way. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.159 And now that you have now corroded that, I mean, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.280 people sending out there like you is broken my heart. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.800 And I've been six issue lost that race and I'm thinking, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.920 do you think I have been enjoy and its celebration? 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.719 And you know no, In fact, I feel very heavy 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.040 every day because I feel like I couldn't deliver for you. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.040 And I know what the concert. I knew clearly what 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:17.480 the constant. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.360 Now the people didn't deliver for you. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.280 However you say it, it is still the way I 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.600 embodied and embodied it as godly. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.840 I couldn't bring it home, right, And so you telling me. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.800 How bad you feel, like, I promise you you won't 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.280 have it worse than me. The worst voice I will 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.000 ever hear will be the one of my own and 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.160 not anybody, right, So I just think the reason why 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.960 we respond and and Brittany, you said this early on 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.119 in our conversation, it's sort of this issue or this 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.360 question of what we have, what we can accessibly do, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.240 because I can't punish bezos individually right right, but collectively 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.399 we might be able to you know, land a finger 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.440 nail right on right? The man could you know, makes 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.840 more sleeping right than we do a wake for our lifetime. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.959 So anyway, all I have to say, the accessibility thing 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.679 really resonated with me because I figured, like, yeah, we 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.840 do want a way to feel good about sowing something 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.719 into society. And part of our accountability is that, actually, 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.359 you know that thing about feeling good about something, that's 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:17.919 what I'm done. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:19.840 That is it's so powerful. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.119