WEBVTT - Introducing — There and Gone: South Street Ep 1 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.240 Hi, It's Andrea, host of Betrayal, and I want to 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.640 share my new podcast called Therein Gone South Street. I 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.920 spent the last three years investigating the disappearance of two 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.200 adults who vanished without a trace on one of the 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.439 busiest streets in Philadelphia, the city I grew up in. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.320 It's been almost twenty years since Richard Patron and Danielle 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.360 Embo went missing. It's become a Philadelphia urban legend, a 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.920 story that haunts the city to this day. There are 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.519 no suspects, no evidence, and no justice for the families 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.519 of the missing. Every story we produce is personal, but 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.199 this one feels even more so because it happened in 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.400 my backyard. I was in high school when they disappeared, 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.879 and for years I drove by a billboard on I 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.440 ninety five South with photos of Richard and Danielle smiling, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.800 full of life, with a message asking for tips. And 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.480 here's the thing, according to law enforcement, there are still 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.600 people out there who know what happened to them. That's 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.080 why I decided to take this on three years ago. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.480 Through our own investigation, We've turned over every lead, spoken 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.480 with the families, and worked with the FBI, and there 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.360 and gone South Street, and we've been hearing from people 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.039 in Philadelphia. I have to share I was really touched 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.280 when Betrayals Ashley Lytton called me to tell me she 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.960 was listening to the new series, Drey. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:28.000 You know that I'm a huge crime podcast buff. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:29.399 That's that's how we met. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.880 And of course I wouldn't miss you, know, any of 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.280 your projects that you've been working on. I was in 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.120 my car on like a break listening and I was 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.160 crying and it was so hot outside. I was like, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.040 it is so hot and I have the fucking chills. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.480 So what part gave you the chills? What resonated it? 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.560 It did resonate with me. Richard and Danielle. They have children, 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.279 they have established lives, they have loving families. But another 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.320 thing that really hit me was that it's been nineteen years, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.800 because there has to be somebody that knows something, like 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:11.200 somebody has heard something, or somebody slipped when they'd been drinking, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.799 or you know, friends of a friend, or you know 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.920 what I mean, somebody knows something. Why isn't anybody coming forward. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.280 I love this city deeply, and anyone from Philadelphia there's 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:29.320 just this love that runs so deep and the pride 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.200 that we have, but I've learned to also, at the 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.720 same time, fear the city in a way I didn't 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:43.600 realize just how pervasive and how dark and how scary 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:44.720 this city could be. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:45.720 Wow. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.440 I think those that have listened and really heard my 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.799 story on Betreal season two will be compelled to listen 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.720 to There and Gone South Street because of what you do. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:06.320 I see how much of you you put into your work, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.160 because I know it's so genuine and authentic. You don't 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.760 just work this, You've lived. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.040 I really appreciate your words. Ash, Thank you. I want 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.480 nothing more than for our work to bring those who 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.919 harmed Richard and Danielle to justice. So, listeners, I want 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.880 to share with you a special ad free presentation of 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.400 episode one of There and Gone South Street. Please take 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.120 a moment to listen, and if you're enjoying the show, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.760 just know new episodes drop every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.920 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.360 you want to listen to episodes one week early in 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.120 ad free, you can sign up for iHeart True Crime 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.320 Plus exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So here is episode one 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.080 of They're in Gone South Street. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.840 Throughout this entire time Danielle's been missing. Trying to find 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.720 literally consumed me. Some psychic called my mother in law 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:11.960 and said Danielle was dying in a box car. So 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.040 in the middle of the night, I went down to 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.960 Philadelphia and searched the train tracks under the bridge with 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:24.320 a flashlight. Here I am scaling this fence at midnight 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:32.440 with a flashlight looking in box cars. I got in 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:38.000 trouble for that one. The Mount Laurel police detective called 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.560 me up screaming, telling me that they had to stop 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.560 all of commerce in Pennsylvania to get me out of 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.800 the railroad because I was looking in railroad cars. I 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.560 just can't stop. It just consumed me. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.159 That's Johonna Tobray. His sister Danielle went missing in February 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.360 of two thousand and five, but she wasn't alone. Kanielle 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.839 and her friend Richard left a bar and simply vanished. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.080 Nineteen years later, they still have yet to be found. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.800 She was my sister, she was my friend, she was 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:17.240 my blood. I would do anything for her throughout all 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:24.120 these years. Speaking with the FBI, I know my sister 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.839 died that night, but to this day, I still don't know, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.840 I can't stop my mind from wandering to the darker things. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.760 She alone? Was she scared? Was she calling out for someone? 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:40.000 Was? 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.600 For all I know? They have all this information, the FBI. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.839 So what does the FBI say? 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.240 We have several working theories. We've done a number of 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.719 searches in different areas. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.640 We have a lot of folks that we've talked to. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.240 We have statements, phone records. I probably have the silver 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.599 bullet and all of that stuff. I need somebody to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.320 tie it together. This needs to get solved. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.599 I'm Andrea Gunning and this is therein Gone South Street, 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.200 Episode one, Ghosts. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.240 All that I know. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.320 Is I say you in that dream, reached out on 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:37.640 the dog for you fe lost to me. I'll never 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:46.280 give up, no matter how long I open my eyes 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.240 define you Gone. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.880 A Note that the views and opinions expressed in this 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.200 podcast are so those of the individuals participating. This podcast 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.480 contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:14.560 Discretion is advised. For fifteen years, Danielle and Richard were 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.160 strangers to me. Ghosts that loomed over I ninety five South. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.800 It's the stretch of highway that connects Philadelphia to New 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.800 York City. Each side is lined with billboards. Most are 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.040 ads for ambulance chasers or beer, but one shows two 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.400 smiling faces next to the word missing. It's Danielle Imbau 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.880 and Richard Patron, and it's been there for almost twenty years. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.600 Inbo and Patron were last seen leaving a South Street 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.560 bar in the late evening of February nineteenth, two thousand 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:45.000 and five. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.200 I knew their faces, I knew their names. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.080 Investigators have turned up a few promising leads, but have 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.560 not found the couple or the car. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.080 South Street is one of the busiest and most popular 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.400 places for nightlife in Philadelphia, at least it was in 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.680 two thousand and five. Think Bourbon Street, but without the 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.280 balconies and beats. It's not exactly the same, but you 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.400 get the idea. No shortage of places to grab a 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.400 drink and have a good time. It's not a place 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.240 where two people just vanish, and it's certainly a spot 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.040 where you'd have plenty of eyewitnesses. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.120 They had left a bar at Fourth and South, headed 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.560 to his pickup truck and simply vanished, not a trace. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.720 Two adults in their mid thirties walk out of a 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:38.880 bar and into oblivion. How is that even possible. I 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.120 live within walking distance to South Street. I've been to 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.720 those bars, and I've walked those same streets. I know 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.680 how busy they are, so this has often haunted me. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.240 The story of Richard Patrone and daniel Embou became an anecdote, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.199 a Philadelphia urban legend. If my team was ever going 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.040 to produce a missing persons podcast, this was the one. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.360 And as I'll explain in a bit, it turns out 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.880 we're way more connected to the story than I originally thought. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.120 When I begin working on a story, I usually reach 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.680 out to law enforcement. From the initial research, it was 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.480 clear the FBI was involved, so I decided to start there. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.960 This case was different because it was two people. They 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.400 were adults that were just out having fun, and now 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.880 they disappear with you know, no information about where they 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.240 could be. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.200 That's Jerry Williams. She was an FBI agent and the 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.000 spokesperson for the Philadelphia Bureau when Danielle and Richard went missing. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.120 I don't think anybody had heard of a case like 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.800 this ever before. Vita would come into my office and 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.360 keep me updated. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:57.240 Vito special Agent Vito Rosselli. He has been working on 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.320 this case since the very beginning. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.920 I could tell that it was more than just another 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.360 investigation for him. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.920 Agent Rosselli had spent almost two decades tracking down every 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.000 lead in this case but came up short. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.240 There are so many times over the past few years 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.800 that I thought Vito was close in solving this and 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.160 then nothing. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.360 I needed to talk to Vito. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.640 Hey, Andrea, I really appreciate your effort on this huge hen. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.800 Special Agent Vito Rosselli looks and sounds like someone in 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.439 a TV show who's playing an FBI agent. He's a 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.320 stocky guy, muscular with dark skin, and seems like someone 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.320 you'd want to grab a beer with. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.679 My dad was an old hover guy. He was an 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.840 old FBI agent, so I grew up around that. I 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.600 got in Philly in February of ninety seven, and I've 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.240 been in Philly pretty much my whole career. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.480 Vito is a warm and welcoming guy, but I could 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.080 tell that he carries pieces of this investigation around with him, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.000 and that clearly rests heavily on his heart. I don't 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.760 know how else to explain it, but there's a heaviness 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:08.000 to that. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.360 It wasn't just an accident driving off a bridge, a truck, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.960 and two people just don't disappear. What I do know 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.000 is that the people who are involved had to have 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.240 the means to get rid of two bodies and a 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.319 truck in a very quick amount of time. That means 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.200 that they did it before or they had access to 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.640 those circles. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.679 So I don't have the truck and they don't have 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:36.560 the bodies. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.920 Just think about that. Not only are Danielle and Richard missing, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.079 but so is the Dodge Dakota pickup truck they were driving. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.160 And after nineteen years of searching, Fido still has no 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.080 physical evidence to work with. He's been trying to figure 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.079 out who wanted to kill either Danielle and Richard without 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.640 a fingerprint, a tire mark, or a single drop of blood. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.640 But maybe what's stranger than any of that is the why. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.280 Because on paper, neither of these two seem to have 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:08.440 a target on their back. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.000 What I did on covers that both were good people. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.960 A lot of people cared for him. Danielle was very 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.400 close to her mom and her brother, and rich was 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.320 very close to both his parents and all his siblings 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.040 and had a child that he was raising. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.959 Both families are still extremely destrought. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.320 It's very emotional for him, as emotional today as it 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.160 was when I first met them. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.640 Vito has a lot writing on this investigation. Obviously, he 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.280 felt for Danielle and Richard's families. It's been on his 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.720 plate since two thousand and five. And all investigators will 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.680 tell you they always feel like they're racing against time, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.959 but Vito had a different clock. You see in the 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.640 FBI there's a mandatory retirement age of fifty seven, and 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.720 Vido's fifty seventh birthday was fast. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.880 Every investigator, every detective, has. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.760 That white whale that hangs over the head, and in 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.240 this particular case, where you don't get an answer, that 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.720 just crushes people's souls and it's tough. So the case 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.320 is very much open, and hopefully we make it arrested. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.720 I've met with Vito a few times now. After those conversations, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:25.120 it's become clear what Veto is missing testimony, someone who 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:30.440 heard something or saw something, or remembers anything, anything about 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.600 what happened on the night of February nineteenth, two thousand 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.559 and five. He just needs someone to come forward. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.800 Everybody that's working on this case and everybody that has 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.640 worked on this case wants this to get out in 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.000 the public and wants people to call in. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.480 And that's why I'm very thankful for you guys. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.160 This case was a big deal in Philadelphia, and to 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.600 be fair, it did get national attention, but that interest 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.400 lasted for like two months because in May of two 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.480 thousand and five, I'm an American teenager went missing in Aruba, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:09.000 Natalie Holloway, and the nation turned their attention to her. Slowly, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:14.680 Danielle and Richard faded from public consciousness, but Philadelphia hasn't forgotten. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.640 For a big metropolitan city, there is a small town 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.960 feel here and it's that close knit community that keeps 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:27.280 their memory alive. See, everybody knows everybody here, or at 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.880 least knows someone who knows your sister or your cousin, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.040 or used to work with that guy that you used 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.920 to work with. All of that is relevant here. The city. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:41.560 It's people, It's all important to this story. Philadelphia is 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.400 the city of brotherly love, and often love extends to 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.400 loyalty vows of silence when it comes to nefarious behavior. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.440 The FBI undoubtedly believes that there are people who know 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.840 what happened to Richard and Danielle, but have remained silent. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.600 So why now? I once heard this theory from law 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.760 enforcement that when it comes to these types of cases, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.840 there are usually three windows of time to solve them, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.800 the first few weeks, the first year, and then the 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.560 next best is the twentieth anniversary. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:24.000 I've gotten confessions from folks because it was chewing them 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:25.040 up on the inside. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.400 Not all folks that do illegal activity are evil folks. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.200 A lot of them have consciences and kids and families 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.400 of their own, and eventually it wears on them. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.080 By the time this podcast launches, we'll approach the opening 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:45.040 of that final window. Maybe after two decades, perhaps someone's 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.480 own mortality will change their view and come forward with information. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.320 I approached my team about taking this on and knew 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.840 my producing partner Ben would be interested because, like me, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.440 he grew up in Philadelphia too. He knew this story 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.040 as well as I did. But there was something I 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.560 didn't expect. When discussing it with my colleague Carrie, she 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.080 went white. She looked at me and said, you know, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.560 my brother grew up with Richard Patron and was good 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.160 friends with him. Right. I had no idea, So she 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.600 put me in touch with her brother, Jimmy he. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.000 Was so likable. He just had such a huge heart. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.720 Jimmy Hartman grew up across the street from Richard, and 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.240 the two immediately became fast friends. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.240 We'd like to play hockey. We would get the guys together, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.120 and we became friends from there. And I knew Danielle 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.240 also because I graduated high school for with her. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.360 Like I said, everybody knows everybody. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.720 She was always nice. I just never got to know 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.800 her that well, but I knew her and. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:47.240 She knew me. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.480 So Jimmy not only knew Danielle and Richard, but was 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.640 even close with Richard's parents, Richard Senior and Marge Patron. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.920 You couldn't go to the house without eating, just to 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.120 poopole Italian family, and there's just pasta and food and 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.280 bread and wine and everything everywhere. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.200 Jimmy said. It's been tough to watch the Patron suffer 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.480 all these years. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.920 You could see the pain, especially in Marge's eyes. You 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.520 could just see how much it hurts her, you know, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.920 And when you have somebody taken from me like this, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.959 it's just really hard to say goodbye. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.240 At first, he said that patrons were dreading that phone 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.439 call from police, the call that would confirm that Richard 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.720 was dead. But now any information would be welcomed information. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.920 I would hate for either one of them to leave 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.800 the earth without having closure. I mean, they have not 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.639 let up on trying to get this mystery solved. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.280 We had the FBI on our side, but we understood 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.960 that to move forward we would need both families to participate. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.440 It's a painful process, but also an opportunity. The more 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.679 you talk about a missing person, the more likely it 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.879 is that someone who knows something will say something. But 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.600 approaching these families, I knew I would be asking them 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.359 to relive so much. It's tough. Since Jimmy knew the 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:20.160 Patrons from childhood, he made an introduction, so we started 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:43.440 there we go. Marge Patrone greeted me and my colleague 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.040 Ben at her front door. It was a bright Sunday afternoon, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.360 nearly nineteen years after her son, Richard and his friend 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.399 Danielle Imbo vanished. We needed to learn who Richard and 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.760 Danielle were and understand everything they left behind. On February nineteenth, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.960 two thousand and five, we had been told that both 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.640 families were done speaking to the press. Think about it. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.280 The closest people to Richard and Danielle had to answer 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:14.120 the same questions about their disappearance for over nineteen years now, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.159 Yet here I was, with my partner Ben, standing at 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.400 the threshold of the patron's family home to again pick 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.639 at that scap. It took an introduction from Richard's childhood friend, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:32.280 many conversations and veto expressing the importance of participating. Ultimately, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.320 the patrons agreed. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.320 You want to sit like somewhere comfortable. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:37.520 Or what do you want to do? 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:42.159 And much to my surprise and relief, Marge welcomed us 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.800 with a warm, friendly smile, and just like I was told, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:52.399 she immediately wanted to feed us something. Marge is a 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.880 grandmother as well as a mother of three, so hosting 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.719 us seemed like old hat for March, like we'd been 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.960 over for dinner many times before, even though this was 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.080 a first for all of us. And that day Marge 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.080 invited us for Sunday dinner. I know this isn't just 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.640 a meal that happens to fall on Sunday. It's actually 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.680 a long running tradition for the Patrons. That's when their 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.639 family comes together for a big Italian meal. So we 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.840 felt honored to be invited it was just before Christmas, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.240 and every inch of our house was decorated, including the kitchen. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.879 That's where we all gathered around a charcuterie board filled 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.520 with slice delling meats and cheeses, while a huge pot 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.640 of red gravy bubbled on the stove behind us. Marge's 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.320 freezer door was lined with several baby pictures and a 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.919 ton of magnets. She pointed to the Chicago Bears magnet 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.160 and said it was Richard's favorite football team. And then 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.159 there was this, I have a Susan Lucci doll. You 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.640 might remember Susan Lucci from the long running daytime TV 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.080 show All My Children. 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.440 You know it's funny because I love soap, a Opwards 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:57.840 and all that. 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.560 Marge explained that she always watched All My Children and 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.320 how one year for Christmas, Richard surprised her with this 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:08.520 Susan Lucci doll. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.800 For a guy, he was the best gift giver and 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.320 just very thoughtful and did it all himself, Like he 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.199 didn't just go to the mall and buy anything. He 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.320 knew what you were into. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.040 I could tell Richard is Marge's first born. She lights 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.320 up at every mention of his name, like how he 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.680 played hockey from the time he was seven until the 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.720 day he went missing, And how she still holds onto 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.720 Richard's Bobby Clark jersey. That's when her voice trailed off. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:43.240 And as the firstborn, you could say Richard got special treatment. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.600 When Richard had a sore throat, I would run him 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.159 to the doctors. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.720 That Christine always would say, if I said I had 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.000 a store throat, you'd say, spray your throat. You're right. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:58.119 So Christine and Elisa are Margin's daughters. Christine was also 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.160 best friends with Daniel Imbo. She was supposed to join 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.240 us for dinner, but Christine backed out at the last minute. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.560 Her sister Elisa gave us a clue as to why. 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.399 I think this whole thing was really hard for christinecause 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.720 it's her best friend and her brother Richard and Christine 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:21.280 rolling your difference. And she doesn't really say anything too 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:22.200 much about that night. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.760 Alisa is well into her thirties now, but was just 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.199 a teenager when her brother Richard disappeared. 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.280 We have no idea what happened to them or how 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.960 this happened, and we just lived with that, and it's 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:37.199 an awful feeling. 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.080 There was a row of stockings in the living room 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:44.359 that hung across their mantle, just above the fireplace. I 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.879 couldn't help but wonder if Richard's stocking was one of them. Okay, 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.720 we all moved to the kitchen table as Marge arrived 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.119 with a giant bowl of stuff, mannicotti and homemade meatballs. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.359 It was enough to feed a small army. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.040 Everything's to be is happy and sad. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.280 Marge pointed to where Richard sat for thirty five years, 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.120 and then to the empty chair where her husband used 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.800 to sit for forty years. Marge and her husband, Richard, 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.919 owned and operated a Swedish bakery called Viking Pastries in 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.320 the suburbs of Philly. That's where Richard and his father 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.280 worked side by side. The two were very close. Richard 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.159 Senior suffered multiple strokes and hasn't been home for a 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:27.800 while now. 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.199 He's just never been here since Richard disappeared, left face it. 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.720 He's never been the safe no, no, never. He's the 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.840 shell of the person he used to but he's not at. 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.040 All who he was with them. You know. 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.399 I don't want to say that life hasn't gone on 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.439 for the patron since Richard disappeared, because it has, but 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.320 I got the feeling that Marge in particular has been 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.720 sort of treading water ever since that day. The void 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.200 Richard left was on full display that Sunday. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.800 I had to keep going, which I still am doing, 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.600 even though it's like yesterday for me. 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.440 Back on February twentieth, two thousand and five, Richard didn't 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:08.879 make it home for Sunday dinner. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.200 I remember Christine calling me. She said, Mom, Richard's missing. 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.680 I said missing, What do you mean. He's home. There's 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.640 a nice car today. You would never leave the house. 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:18.200 He's home. 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.040 Marge said she was out running errands with her husband 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.560 that afternoon, and she was certain Richard was home. It 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.119 was the day of the Daytona five hundred, and Richard 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.800