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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: M Yes, welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson, and that

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Speaker 3: is Rob King. And well we're ready to go.

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Speaker 4: I guess we were talking chel silver ristein.

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Speaker 3: You were taking a point John Cash, right, you get.

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Speaker 4: Him hard right between the eyes.

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Speaker 5: He went down, but to my surprise, he come up

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Speaker 5: with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't get lyrically, it doesn't get much better than that, sure,

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Speaker 5: And then a couple of lines later they're kicking and

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Speaker 5: a gouge and in the mud and the blood and beer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff, good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Not the cleanest line change in the oh yeah, but

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Speaker 3: hey we're in the middle of camp here, that's what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is the.

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Speaker 4: Cleanest line change, right. This is the Drive for sure.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Fox Sports Pittsburgh and we are live from Steelers

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Speaker 3: training camp. And this is what happens when you're live,

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Speaker 3: live radio, live TV. As you know, Rob, things happen, Yes,

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Speaker 3: trying to get lunch in between all that good stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: Good practice today though, Yeah, spirited practice. Yeah, spirit is

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Speaker 6: a good word.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there was some scuffle. Age Wolf might say that was.

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Speaker 3: A real one too. Yeah, that was not fake. That

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Speaker 3: was they got after it there. What happened to land

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Speaker 3: and Roberts? Uh hit Justin Fields? Justin Fields ran a

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Speaker 3: little keeper on a quarterback option and ran around the

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Speaker 3: right end, and Landon Roberts came charging in and put

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Speaker 3: some liberties. Didn't tackle him to that, like, didn't hit

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Speaker 3: him hard, but it bumped him hard enough that he

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Speaker 3: went to the ground. You don't touch quarterbacks and uh

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Speaker 3: ball carrier have a different color jersey's flying, however, took umbrage. Uh,

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Speaker 3: yeah it was McCormick, you said, right, Yeah, Mason McCormick

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Speaker 3: came in and the blasted a land of Roberts from behind,

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Speaker 3: and the the hilarity ensued from there, cleared the benches.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, I will say that is dangerous, and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: Landed didn't necessarily mean anything by it. But when you're

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Speaker 5: not expecting to get tackled and you're running down the

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Speaker 5: field and you suddenly get hit, you haven't protected yourself.

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Speaker 4: Sure, that's that's not fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, to Matt's point though, that you know, the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: here in this camp and and they never really have

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Speaker 3: don't wear a jersey Desertnate. So if you're a land Roberts,

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Speaker 3: you may only necessarily see the ball carrier coming around

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Speaker 3: the edge. You're not You're not looking at a number necessarily.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, you know he's a little edge to him too,

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Speaker 6: Yeah he does.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, you're setting the tone. It was. This

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Speaker 3: was that kind of tone setting practice. I might make

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Speaker 3: note that a number of the veteran, especially on defense,

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Speaker 3: but Isaac sam Molo set out as well, But no

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Speaker 3: Cam Hayward, no TJ. Watt to make a Fitzpatrick, don't

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Speaker 3: worry about it, folk. Yeah, some of those older guys

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Speaker 3: taking the day off here is a yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, those safety has got more time obviously. Back

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Speaker 3: to the scuffle real quick though. This old lines really

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Speaker 3: developing attitude. I mean, Brodrick Jones has a real edge

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Speaker 3: to him, Herbig always has. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 3: young pops you know McCormick today, you know Isaac as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they they are not going to take any guff.

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Speaker 4: No they are not.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that's a great point and one

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Speaker 5: you from your personnel experience, it's it seems like they

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Speaker 5: he's preaching physicality and look, all offensive linemen like to

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Speaker 5: You know, somebody is you know, getting a ton of

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Speaker 4: Well, he's not a defensive end, so you know, fitting

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, good organizations do that, and of

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Speaker 5: course you also, you know, adjust your system a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think really since the pouncy Di Castro

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Speaker 6: it the knees, it really doesn't make a difference.

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Speaker 3: But this is, I mean, this is since the dawn

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Speaker 6: In Pittsburgh and really in the AFC North that physicality matters,

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Speaker 6: and some teams definitely stress that with their O lineman

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Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, kind of I mentioned the division,

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Speaker 6: you know, like I'm out here just to bash the Ravens.

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Speaker 6: They're a great organization, but Dale and I have talked

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Speaker 6: They took a corner that's really slender, but he can run,

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Speaker 3: Like that shocked me.

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Speaker 6: I mean, those were need positions for the Ravens, but

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Speaker 5: I think one other thing too, Dale, is that you know,

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Speaker 5: you get these guys right, you get players, and you

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Speaker 5: talk about you preach physicality and stuff. Hey we're going

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Speaker 5: to be you know, offensive line coaches or coordinator. You

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Speaker 4: Out of the spread well all day this Two.

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Speaker 5: Others aren't going to do that, and they've been very

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Speaker 5: they aren't going to do that. And we see that

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Speaker 5: and let's go. I mean we're seeing it even shots. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna run the ball and we don't think you

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Speaker 3: No, there's no doubt about it. I mean they want

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Speaker 3: I think you're you're absolutely right about that.

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Speaker 6: Darnell Washington has a real physicality to his game, even

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Speaker 6: it's a it's a group mentality. And you know, your

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Speaker 5: It is interesting, isn't it. And when you look around

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Speaker 5: so much four two five setups. You know, four down linemen,

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Speaker 5: And those linebackers are guys that can run and cover

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Speaker 5: no and I think I think you know, one of

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Speaker 5: there's a sledgehammer mentality to it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The thing about that though, is you have to stay

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Speaker 5: You know, Toun Jokin used to talk about uh laden games,

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Speaker 5: to just miss miss Jerome Bettison, I just missed. Gods, sorry, coach,

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Speaker 5: I flattened out my ankle there angle there, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean you keep running Nagy and he's just as

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Fit safety in the big twelve.

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Speaker 4: This isn't yes right right right? You know, yeah, for

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Speaker 4: sure that right. There's a lot of that, So I

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Speaker 5: I think it's interesting and one of the fun things

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Speaker 5: the preseason and then of course the regular season as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and of course your defense needs to keep you

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Speaker 6: in games so that you can maintain that mentality for

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Speaker 6: sixty minutes when I think this defense can take a

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the analytics folks will tell you, oh man,

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Speaker 6: the Steelers went into so many fourth quarters.

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Speaker 3: With the with the deficit and they end up winning.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot of that's because you were

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Speaker 6: more physical and tougher in the fourth quarter. You can't

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Speaker 6: measure that stuff with numbers and analytics and those type

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Speaker 6: of things. And you know, a two headed backfield to

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Speaker 6: just keep coming and coming. And like you said, so

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Speaker 6: much of the league is even in dime, you know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's just a lot of smaller personnel. A

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Speaker 6: lot of the edge rushers are play the run on

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Speaker 3: I mean, that wears you out.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great point that you bring that up,

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Speaker 5: that you know, and I love analytics and I know

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Speaker 5: you do too, but sometimes they have to be taken

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Speaker 5: if you're down three touchdowns, no, you can't.

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Speaker 4: With that style. If you're down three points, you sure can.

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Speaker 3: If you think back to that playoff game a few

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Speaker 4: Nothing right.

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Speaker 3: You can't continue to you can't have the damn is

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Speaker 5: But you get that, you get that feeling that you

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Speaker 5: You're upset, You're you're you know, you're up seven nothing.

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Speaker 3: So you've possessed the football exactly and you've taken time

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Speaker 6: So back to this whole conversation, and I do think

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Speaker 6: But I also think that, you know, some people give

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Speaker 3: And line up with full backs and thirteen person out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he didn't do it that way when he had those guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they played it. They will going for two point

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Speaker 5: really well. Well, Mike Tomlin has adapted to Ben Roethlisperger's prime.

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Speaker 5: That is not anything to be taken lightly.

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Speaker 6: No, and I've been saying this a lot about coach

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Speaker 3: To get in the playoffs. I don't think you can

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: What was the old line that bum Phillips said about

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Speaker 4: Now. Maybe not coming out of the tunnel, but the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And the league, I'm not sure everybody listening knows this,

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Speaker 3: You make it a letter field position. More more, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: You know, I mean, it's just the explosions, not really

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Speaker 5: I think I'm going back to, uh, Matt, I think,

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Speaker 6: Very low And a lot of that because they're so

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Speaker 6: But that's what the whole league's going to. I mean,

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Speaker 5: And we talk about this, we've Matt and I were

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Speaker 3: I probably should have been up here with you join

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Speaker 5: That you know, the game evolves, that you know, what's

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Speaker 5: And so you know, you have the wildcat, which isn't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the league will never tell you this, but

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Speaker 6: Well, then you know, you guys, get home tonight. Try

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Speaker 3: You'll fall over and you're you're you're shuffling back and oh,

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Speaker 3: I heard this the other day. You're a basketball guys.

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Speaker 6: playing defense on bat in basketball, except you can't take

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Speaker 6: a charge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a charge blows you into the and that's

440
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Speaker 3: exactly what they want, right, Yeah, you know so yeah,

441
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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's not natural. But uh, you know, guys,

442
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Speaker 3: I've seen.

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Speaker 6: But real quick, but if you keep drafting these linemen

444
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Speaker 6: that are good, you have an advantagress league.

445
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Speaker 3: Doesn't young young athletic linemen go a long way.

446
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Speaker 4: I've envisioned athletes.

447
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Speaker 5: I've been visioning a league in which Lebron James is

448
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Speaker 5: on the wing and he's allowed to lower his shoulder

449
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Speaker 5: because a defender knock him over.

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Speaker 3: He's encouraged I have had it, Yeah, from the foul

451
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Speaker 3: line or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh, that would be awful.

453
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Speaker 3: It would be awful. That that's football. Yeah, but that yeah,

454
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Speaker 3: you're right, that that is what football is here, and

455
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Speaker 3: uh that's why they they would much rather deliver the blow,

456
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Speaker 3: run the football as opposed to taking it. Yeah, it's

457
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Speaker 3: just it's more natural for your you know, your body

458
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to you know you don't want to take

459
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Speaker 3: that blow, you want to deliver it. No, I mean

460
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Speaker 3: everyone knows it's listening that.

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Speaker 6: Over the course of the game, the O line gets

462
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Speaker 6: the advantage if they can keep running it. I mean,

463
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Speaker 6: the pound the rock thing just means you keep hitting

464
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Speaker 6: that rock with the sledgehammer. Eventually it's going to crack,

465
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Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, and that happens and you break their

466
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Speaker 6: wills and they're more so you just break their uh.

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Speaker 3: They just can't keep up. I saw something interesting today

468
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Speaker 3: down in the field, and this was Nausey Harris talking

469
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Speaker 3: to some of the other running backs. If you notice,

470
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Speaker 3: like Nausey and Jalen always are running after there. You know,

471
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Speaker 3: even after they're down though, if they get tackled, they'll

472
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Speaker 3: it up and run all the way to the end zone.

473
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Speaker 3: So today Michael p Ryan got tackled, started turning around

474
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Speaker 3: to come back to the pot, back to the huddle,

475
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Speaker 3: and nause says, no, no, finish your run. Finish your run.

476
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Speaker 3: So he went down and finishes run and comes back

477
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Speaker 3: to say thanks. And then it had happened again with

478
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Ward. No no, go finish your run. Go finish

479
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Speaker 3: your run.

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Speaker 6: And so it looks stupid at times. I mean it's

481
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Speaker 6: forty yards with nobody touching. Why are you doing that

482
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Speaker 6: with the form of conditioning to right?

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Speaker 3: You know right? And it's just again building that mentality

484
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Speaker 3: like we're going to finish runs, we're gonna practice right,

485
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Speaker 3: taking it away, Yeah right. I mean, if you're doing.

486
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Speaker 6: Gassers or whatever, you don't almost touch the line. You

487
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Speaker 6: touch the line. It's how we do things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just building that mentality, and that's what that's

489
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Speaker 3: what these drills are about. That's what these practices are.

490
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Speaker 3: But it was hot down there today. Sure, it was steamy,

491
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Speaker 3: the you know, the the it rained here a lot

492
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Speaker 3: last night. Thought the sun was out. The turf down

493
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Speaker 3: there was you know, I don't even know what the

494
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Speaker 3: temperature was down there, but I guarantee it felt well

495
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Speaker 3: into the high nineties. But you felt the water coming

496
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Speaker 3: off you feel it, Yeah, I mean it was I

497
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Speaker 3: had to do something today I've never done before. I

498
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Speaker 3: actually sat down on one of the little things down

499
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Speaker 3: here while I was watching practice. I was like, oh boy,

500
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Speaker 3: I'm sweating up a storm here and I'm not feeling it. Really,

501
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Speaker 3: I'm not feeling it today. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, but you need to stay on top of

503
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Speaker 6: such things. But as for the team, I'm sure Tomlin's

504
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Speaker 6: loving that stuff. You know, Lord set up, you know, like,

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Speaker 6: let's let's practice hard, let's I mean, I don't think

506
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Speaker 6: that was intentional of why I waked and see Amalu

507
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Speaker 6: and Hayward and Maka got the day off. They probably

508
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Speaker 6: were scheduled too anyways. But those young guys need to

509
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Speaker 6: get more reps and show that they can be the guy,

510
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Speaker 6: you know in that situation. Yeah, give us a whole practice, Now,

511
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Speaker 6: give us a whole quarter in the preseason. Now give

512
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Speaker 6: us a whole game in Week three, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, Yeah, I mean that's that's Bill again, building

514
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Speaker 3: that mentality, and that's what the Steelers are.

515
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Speaker 4: Trying to do right now. Let's get to a break.

516
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Speaker 3: He is Rob King, that's Matt Williamson, and I am

517
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Speaker 3: Dale Lolly. You're listening to are live training camp coverage

518
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Speaker 3: here from Saint Vincent College and beautiful La tro Pennsylvania,

519
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Speaker 3: the Laurel Highlands. You can tell it's a little steam

520
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 3: here today, that the mountains is just a little bit hazy.

521
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Speaker 3: So that's that's when you know, if if you can't

522
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Speaker 3: see the mountains out there. Rob, it's really hot.

523
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Speaker 4: It's going to be a bad day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can see they kind of got that

525
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Speaker 3: haze around them. They're not when it's nice and dry

526
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Speaker 3: and there's no humidity. You can see from miles it's

527
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Speaker 3: like you're looking through binoculars at them.

528
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Speaker 4: But when it's not like that, when they're purple haze.

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Speaker 4: We got it all going.

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Speaker 3: As it's all happening right here, it'll continue to be

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Speaker 3: happening here for the next hour. We'll be back with

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Speaker 3: more here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly here with Rob King and the

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Speaker 3: Rob King, i should say, and the Matt Williamson. We

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Speaker 3: are live from Steelers training camp here at beautiful Saint

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Speaker 3: Vincent College and the Steelers wrapping up their practice earlier today,

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Speaker 3: their second padded practice of the twenty twenty four training camp.

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Speaker 3: And guys Grayland Arnold showing up again today with another

544
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Speaker 3: interception and you know he's playing that nickel spot. He

545
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Speaker 3: might be playing his way into that nickel spot.

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Speaker 6: Every year, there's a name that I didn't really know

547
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Speaker 6: that just keeps catching your eye, keeps making plays. You

548
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Speaker 6: and Idelle were talking earlier, you said that was Mike

549
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Speaker 6: Hilton in his first camp, or just getting his hands

550
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Speaker 6: on balls, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Batting down a pass here and there no better way

552
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Speaker 3: for a defensive back, yeah, to announce his presence to

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Speaker 3: the coaching staff than by intercepting passes.

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Speaker 6: And at that position with the Sutton suspension looming, I mean,

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Speaker 6: he's a slot, folks. If you don't know who he is,

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Speaker 6: and I wouldn't expect you to at this point. I

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Speaker 6: did until week ago either, But he seems like he's

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Speaker 6: in the mix for that starting slot situation. They're also

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Speaker 6: rotating safeties in there. The WU kid looks like he's

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Speaker 6: in the mix. But thirty five is a number to know, folks.

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Speaker 6: He's got some thickness to him too. He's not a

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Speaker 6: tiny little slot and he's been with the Texans and Eagles.

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Speaker 6: What I don't know is I'm sure he has special

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Speaker 6: teams experience. I don't know if he's good or bad

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Speaker 6: on special team.

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Speaker 5: So the you know, grayln Arnold's. You know a lot

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Speaker 5: of people we talked about this thin yesterday. Josiah Scott

568
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Speaker 5: was released. That was before practice yesterday. You know, he

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Speaker 5: was a guy getting a lot of work in the slot.

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Speaker 5: Thomas Graham Junior looks like he's moving back to get

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Speaker 5: a little bit of slot work and play inside and outside.

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Speaker 5: But I thought Beanie Bishop I was watching him quite

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Speaker 5: a bit. He and Calvin Austin. I talked to Beanie

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Speaker 5: after practice today for Michael Persuda and the show for

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Speaker 5: those guys on Steelers dot com. And you know, Beanie says, look,

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Speaker 5: Keen Calvin Austron ever lunch together. I mean, I mean

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Speaker 5: they're they're joined at the him. It's been like, hey,

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Speaker 5: get Calvin Austin out there, get Beanie Bishop. But I

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Speaker 5: thought this was fascinating, and it's hard to watch every

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Speaker 5: facet of practice, but I happened to be looking down

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Speaker 5: at the wide receivers and okay, you see Austin and

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Speaker 5: now you're seeing a Bishop. And then and then Pickens

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Speaker 5: gets out there, and you know, Joey Porter Junior or

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Speaker 5: somebody else will be strolling over to go one on

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Speaker 5: one goal line past drills. No no, no, Beanie, come on

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Speaker 5: out here. So Beanie, oh yeah, Beanie Bishop a couple

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Speaker 5: times on George Pickens and and did a nice job.

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Speaker 5: So he's a combative. And I talked to him after practice.

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Speaker 5: When you are a shorter guy like that, and he

590
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Speaker 5: knows he's a shorter guy. You don't tell that. He

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Speaker 5: knows that that's exactly right. And so he's had that

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Speaker 5: chip on his shoulder his entire career and he plays

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Speaker 5: like it. I mean, he's all up and up in guys,

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Speaker 5: and you know, he was, what are you gonna do

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Speaker 5: against George Pickens. Well, it's a little different coverage in

596
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Speaker 5: Calvin Austin, right, you know, you're just you're trying to

597
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Speaker 5: you trying to shadow a ghost. I mean, you're up

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Speaker 5: there with with Austin. You're up there with your hands

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Speaker 5: on Pickens. And it was it was fun to see,

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Speaker 5: and it's fun to see. You know, later on they

601
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Speaker 5: had the pass block. We can talk more, but you

602
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Speaker 5: know the way the matchups are orchestrated, and Mike Topplin

603
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Speaker 5: was over there and he's like, okay, here, I want

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Speaker 5: Fountano and I want herbig let's go. But but this

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Speaker 5: was fun to watch them kind of manufactured the Beanie

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Speaker 5: Bishop Pickens matchup.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of fun.

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Speaker 6: I think Dale knows is better than anyone. But I

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Speaker 6: think that's something that fans on the Hillside can learn

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Speaker 6: when you're here, is if a Bishop is getting a

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Speaker 6: rep against Pickens, compliment. Yeah, I mean that we don't

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Speaker 6: have time for the guys are getting cut to be

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Speaker 6: doing that stuff.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to see if you can do that stuff right.

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Speaker 3: We got to play against Jamar Jason T.

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Speaker 5: Higgins, right, and if you can't do that, you might

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Speaker 5: be the guy who's cut. Right, Today's hero and tomorrow's tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: You're at the h Oh no, not so fast, you

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Speaker 5: move back. We're gonna try somebody else there. So uh,

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Speaker 5: the ebbs and flows, and you know, I think that's

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Speaker 5: another great thing about camping. And you know, I know

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Speaker 5: you guys have talked about this during the previous issues

623
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Speaker 5: of The Drive. You know some guys that look great

624
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Speaker 5: in OTA's right because they're quick and there's no and

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Speaker 5: now suddenly, you know, you put the pads on.

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Speaker 4: Are you still quick? Yes?

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Speaker 5: But now you're getting thumped in the thigh and you're

628
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Speaker 5: hitting the your ankle's not good. And all of a sudden,

629
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Speaker 5: you're slowing down, and are you still that guy? Now

630
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Speaker 5: you got to block somebody for a slot guy or

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Speaker 5: you have to take on block.

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Speaker 4: You're a little guy.

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Speaker 5: You're out there covering guys and now all of a sudden,

634
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Speaker 5: here comes you know, Coletto at the fullback and Noddy's

635
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Speaker 5: behind him, and you got to stop the one guy

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Speaker 5: and tackle the other.

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Speaker 4: Yikes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, over the course

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Speaker 6: of this training camp it's pretty rigorous. I mean not

640
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Speaker 6: like in Wolf's days, but I mean compared to the

641
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Speaker 6: rest of the season. Coaches noticed, like, man, he's not

642
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Speaker 6: quite the same guy he was when we met him

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Speaker 6: in mini camp. Well, what's the chance of s he's

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Speaker 6: gonna be the same guy after seventeen regular season games?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, Matt. To your point about grayln Arnold.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, he played in eight games for

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Speaker 3: the Texans. He had one hundred and sixty six special

648
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Speaker 3: teams snaps. That was seventy nine percent of their special

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Speaker 3: team snaps. Yeah, if he's doing twenty a game, that's

650
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Speaker 3: pretty good. Last season, again, eight games, he played one

651
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty three defensive snaps. He played one hundred

652
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: and thirty two snaps on special teams. That was sixty

653
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: percent of their special team snaps. So he's a great sign. Yeah.

654
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: They must thought he was one of their best eleven. Yeah,

655
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, he goes well for him. That does

656
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: both well for him. He came in at the combine

657
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: back in his day only ran a four or five nine.

658
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: That doesn't but that doesn't you know, guys can slot guys.

659
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: They can be a little slower. What you want is

660
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: the three cone and the shuttles to be good.

661
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a lot more lateral agility, toughness.

662
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: There's lots of brutal gig man.

663
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 6: I mean, you're gonna play the Ravens and not only

664
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 6: are you gonna have Lamar Jackson coming right at you

665
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 6: in the run game as a slot and deal with

666
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 6: his agility, we get a guard.

667
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: Pulling at you and Derek Henrick Yeah you know.

668
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 6: I mean, if you've drone Bettis, you want him coming

669
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 6: downhill with slot corners all day. I don't think slot

670
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 6: corners traditionally have a long career. It's a very vigorous

671
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 6: supping that closed to the ball and being one of

672
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: the smallest people that closed the ball. But you also

673
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 6: don't have to turn and burn. I mean, you're always

674
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 6: gonna have a linebacker probably helping with some sort of

675
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 6: inside leverage and a safety over the top. And we're

676
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 6: seeing more of it, but it's still sort of rare

677
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 6: to have Tyreek line out of the slot and run

678
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 6: go routes. Yeah, I mean, so if you can bang

679
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 6: those guys around, have help in the middle of the field,

680
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 6: be physical and tough, change directions, play the run, that's

681
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 6: a good start.

682
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean bring this up to you too.

683
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 6: But uh, Labs and Rob and I were chatting during practice,

684
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 6: like I'm not sure who the gunners are going to be.

685
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no Boykin in the wide receiver room right,

686
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 6: Pierre's gone, So I wonder, you know, are these slot

687
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: guys scheduled for that or is a trice?

688
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: Is it rush? I mean, I mean, if you're if

689
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: you're one of those backup cornerbacks or the nickel corners,

690
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: you better be prepared to do it. And I wonder

691
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: guys if they if they treat this nickel position this

692
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: year at least until Sutton gets back.

693
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: Is okay? Beinging Bishop's the faster of the two players.

694
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: He ran a four to three nine at his pro day,

695
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: but his shuttle time was four one five. I look,

696
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: you know, I look at grayln Arnold and his shuttle

697
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: time was four point zero one, even though he didn't

698
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: run as fast in the in the forty. So he's

699
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: a little he's got a little more agility, but he's

700
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: also the bigger player, right, So does he play on

701
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: rundowns and you put Beanie Bishop in there when it's

702
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: third and eight, or just.

703
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 6: Based on opponent one active this week, one's not active

704
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: the following week, and maybe.

705
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: Both of those guys make the roster. Maybe you know,

706
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: being a gunner is just another way to help with that.

707
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: And you've brought this up too.

708
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 6: We've seen a lot of CAZy, Elliott and Minka on

709
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 6: the field together. Minka didn't play, so they can see

710
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 6: him a that today. But any one of those three

711
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 6: can play single high. Yeah, any one of those three

712
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 6: can play too high, and either one of them can

713
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: play safe or play slot. So I think you can

714
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: together until Sutton shows up with fresh legs. And I

715
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: mentioned the Ravens earlier. I mean everyone talks about the

716
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: Ravens defense and a bunch of their defensive coaches got

717
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 6: hired and promoted around the league, but the way they

718
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 6: handled the slot was Arthur Malett, who everyone knows is

719
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 6: a smaller traditional slot, but sometimes Kyle Hamilton, who's a

720
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 6: six to three first round pick safety, one of the

721
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 6: best players in the league at his position, was a

722
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 6: slot just depending on opponent or who lined up there.

723
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: He's a nightmare.

724
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 5: He's a night He is such a good player. You know,

725
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: he'll he'll blitz on occasion. He got those long arms up.

726
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 5: If he doesn't get there, he's he's a really good player,

727
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: you know, I don't. I guess it's fun to just

728
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: muse about it because I have no idea whether the

729
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: roster formations are going to be kind of exactly the same.

730
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: And you don't want the tail wagging the dog, So

731
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: have five or six receivers, and you know, you pick

732
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 5: an extra defensive back, maybe I have one more tight end.

733
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: But I do wonder.

734
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: If the kickoff rule and what you're going to do there,

735
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: and how big of a deal he's gonna affect a roster, Yeah,

736
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: could affect.

737
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: The roster, like and who's active on game day.

738
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we've been talking about this a lot,

739
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: and I think we're gonna see something in the preseason,

740
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: and then I think we're gonna see something different in

741
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: the regular season because I don't think, you know, coaches,

742
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: it's cloak and dagger. They don't want to show their

743
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: hand and it's you know, it's that clandestine feel to it.

744
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: But I mean, is it a run game. Is it

745
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 5: just a running play? Is it a long running play

746
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 5: so you get tight ends? Well, maybe that gets an

747
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: extra tight end on the roster who can also block

748
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: and be on your punt coverage team as well. Does

749
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 5: it get an extra offensive lineman active on game day?

750
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: I mean, you don't want you know, Isaac Ciamalu on

751
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: kick return?

752
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: I don't think, do you you know?

753
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 5: But does that get Spencer Anderson active in playing in

754
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 5: a game that that back?

755
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, And maybe I'm reading way, way, way too.

756
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: Much into it, but I think, you know, you're talking

757
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: about the gunners got me thinking about it. I mean,

758
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: do you pick to you use an ex your defensive back.

759
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: I mean, would you be as radically radical like it's

760
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 5: you know, you know Cal Berkeley in the sixties, you know,

761
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 5: But I mean, is it Is it conceivable that you

762
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 5: could break camp with four wide receivers or is that

763
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: completely out of the.

764
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: Question with none of them being a boykin like gunner.

765
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: It's a little more feasible. It's feasible also because you

766
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: have Cordero Patterson right right, that that might lend itself

767
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: to that emergency guy that could play both.

768
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: But I mean, I haven't seen a single five wide

769
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: receiver set.

770
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't know, and I don't know that

771
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: you will.

772
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 5: Right, So does that sort of bob be the need

773
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 5: for having one more guy as long as you had to,

774
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: you know, if you could stash a guy or two

775
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: you liked on the practice squad.

776
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: And guys Jack Jack Coleto is getting a lot of

777
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: run in this, right he is.

778
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: That's I think that with all this stuff was wrapped

779
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 5: up in kind of the discussion we're having.

780
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

781
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 6: So Also, what if Roman Wilson's not quite ready to

782
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

783
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: Who knows about that injury? How it lingers?

784
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 6: But I had a really good conversation with Labs that

785
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 6: they watched and practice. I'mike Labs. I think Kletto's making

786
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 6: this team. I mean, he's out there a lot. They

787
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: must have intentions. And you watch him as a.

788
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 3: Lead blocker, he'll lay the lumber, I mean him down

789
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 3: in seven shots. And the last playing seven shots. Today

790
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: they bring Coletto in. They bring that is so it's

791
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: three to three. They bring Coletto in front of nausey Harris.

792
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: He blew somebody apart. They ran to the left side

793
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: and he yeah, he opened the hole and Harris just

794
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: kind of dove over the top of the you know,

795
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: some some bodies that were on the ground for the touchdown.

796
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, that's yeah, right, And.

797
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 6: Then we start talking about, well, I don't know if

798
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: he's good on special teams.

799
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: Neither one of us did.

800
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 6: And then he then then the kick and then following

801
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 6: had just so happened. The next period we were watching

802
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 6: was Danny Smith was doing more of the kickoff drill.

803
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 6: So we start talking about that, and I thought Labs

804
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 6: had a really good point too to what you're saying, Rob.

805
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: Is I bet some teams overreact to the kickoff thing. Yeah, like,

806
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: let's not totally scrap how.

807
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 6: We build a team just because there's a kickoff, Oh

808
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 6: for sure, for sure, Like some team like, let's keep.

809
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: Five tight ends because we're good on kickoff coverage or whatever.

810
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: You know. You know what though, I like all the

811
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: five Steelers tight ends. I do. I like them all.

812
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean Williams.

813
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: Was right, Yeah, that was good to see.

814
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: There's more uncertainty I think this year in terms of

815
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: who's going to make this roster. Like I usually come

816
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: into this in the in the training camp and I'll

817
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, I know who forty eight of the

818
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: guys are going to be. This year might only be

819
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: forty four or forty five. I think the corner room's

820
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: up in the air wide receiver. And it's not because

821
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: they don't have enough good guys. It's because how they

822
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: want a roster built this year? How's the pecking order?

823
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

824
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 6: Right, I mean as it stands, I thought there would

825
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 6: be a Golden signed at some point at the an

826
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: outside linebacker edge position, and I only see three of

827
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 6: them that are guaranteed a spot you used to be

828
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 6: able to pencil in four, you know, come to August

829
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: and maybe that'll happen.

830
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: But right, and is that guy a special teams monster? Right? Right?

831
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: That for maybe it's more that than because.

832
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Like Golden was not a special teamer, right, Yeah, you can't.

833
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: You can't have your backup linebackers now can't be guys

834
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: who don't play teams. Especially they can't be fifty at

835
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: that position. They would be perfect for the new kick

836
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: off rule. Yeah, and that's that's gonna be a big

837
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: part of this. I think there are going to be

838
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: more of those big bodies out there. In fact, Danny

839
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: Smith has already told me there are gonna be more

840
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: of those big bodies out there, you know, just because

841
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: it you need guys like tight ends, like linebackers. You know,

842
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: when you when you're when you're setting up your return,

843
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: you've gotta have guys who can get who can who

844
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: can get get into space and lay a block.

845
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 4: These are tight ends.

846
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 6: You're trying to design a run play and outside don't

847
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 6: play without an on line.

848
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: On the other side of it. Defensively, you need guys

849
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: who are able to get off blocks and find the football.

850
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: And that's that's linebackers.

851
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 5: Yes, and and then you know, I think back was

852
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: it Tennessee a couple of years ago when they played

853
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: the Ravens in so you know, we spent a lot

854
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 5: of time on the show talking about physicality and trying

855
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: to shove it down people's roads. And you know they

856
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 5: have lighter bodies, so uh, you know you you can use.

857
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: Your larger weight to bear on them and wear them down.

858
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 5: I think it was the Titans a couple of years

859
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: ago in a playoff game when they beat the Ravens

860
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: and they had seven defensive backs. They played with four

861
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: linemen and seven defensive backs. Yeah, because they la to

862
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: deal with lamars, beats and out quick the blockers. Now,

863
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 5: Patrick Riccard gets a hold of you, and that's gonna

864
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 5: be that'll hurt for like four plays, right if you

865
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 5: go drastically wrong. Yeah, your one eighty five and lays

866
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: on you in two ninety oh. But you know so

867
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 5: that got me thinking, right, Yes, I agree with you.

868
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 5: It's probably gonna be linebackers or are you gonna have

869
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 5: a couple of guys in there? Would only take one

870
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: or two guys to disrupt, you know, an athletic corner

871
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 5: who you know you've got a five yard You're either

872
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 5: gonna have a five or ten yard running start. If

873
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: I have the real correct right, you start in the forty.

874
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 5: The other team has to have nine other guys between

875
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: the thirty five and the thirty. Can a quick, fast

876
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 5: guy get through there and just completely blow the play up,

877
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: But you have to.

878
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: Have seven on the thirty five and two wings behind

879
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: them and so not. I mean we're looking at a

880
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: five yard split there with those guys.

881
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 6: I don't think it's divulging any secrets because they've had

882
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 6: two practices today and yesterday where they've worked on kickoff

883
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 6: and I was calling it like elementary school because it

884
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 6: seems like the only thing they've done is they have

885
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 6: the seven on the thirty five the two on the thirty,

886
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 6: and they're getting those seven to just move back as

887
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 6: quick as possible to the thirty instead of a wall there.

888
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: And it's I.

889
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 6: Don't think any of them ever done it before. So

890
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 6: they've spent two whole practices just doing that, which why

891
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 6: I'm calling an elementary school is I think it's like

892
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 6: you got to learn to crawl before you learn to walk,

893
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: before you learn to run.

894
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: On this coverage stuff.

895
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: I go back to this and I'm playing Devil's advocate

896
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: with the quick guys and stuff. I go back to this.

897
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: It seems a lot like a running plane. Now here's

898
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: the thing. If you catch the ball at the two

899
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 5: yard line or the goal line. That's a long time

900
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: to hold onto a block for somebody. Yeah, a long time.

901
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 5: I mean, are you better off again.

902
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: Because they're making contact quick right?

903
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: Ye?

904
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: Are you?

905
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: Or are you better off having guys that loop around

906
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: and guys that can slither in between and and use

907
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 5: their quickness and now there's nobody between.

908
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: You and the ball carrier.

909
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: But the problem rely too Yeah, the problem is that

910
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: you don't want to create a non natural scene by

911
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: get penetrating too fast, You get up feel too fast

912
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: that guy. That guy makes you miss or you make

913
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: you make him miss. I should say, now you've got

914
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: an opening, right, and you could be off to the races.

915
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: Welcome to being a gunner on punt coverage right in

916
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: your lane. Don't get out of your lane.

917
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 6: That we talked a touched on it yesterday, but that

918
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 6: was my big concern and kickoff coverage is if I

919
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 6: send a wall all together to go make a play

920
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 6: and I only and the turner only breaks one tackle,

921
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 6: it might be him and the kicker between him and

922
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 6: the goal line.

923
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: You know.

924
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 6: I mean, so you wonder should you could you should

925
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 6: you kick it to the right and send a wave

926
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 6: of five or six of them, with the other ones

927
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 6: kind of looping behind to be a second layer of defense.

928
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 6: Or maybe that opens quarter Patterson jukes and goes all

929
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 6: the way round to the outside edge.

930
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

931
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 5: I agree, it's just as fascinating to think. Okay, so

932
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 5: you uh, you know, we have our kicker back. You

933
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 5: seven charge like you would as a wedge breaker, and

934
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 5: you three loop behind and be the guys that you

935
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 5: make sure he doesn't get around you.

936
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: Do you bet?

937
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 5: There's your there's your fast guys, there's your safeties, there's

938
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: your defensive backs.

939
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: There's there's your guys that there'll be There'll.

940
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: Be some defensive backs out there, there's no doubt about it.

941
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: But you can't you can't have a bunch because they're

942
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: going to get blocked. It's like an eight man blitz

943
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: and they hit the hot route and there's nobody behind.

944
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Him, right exactly exactly. Yeah.

945
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: So do those guys loop back at the forty did

946
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: they or just stay there or maybe loop back five yards?

947
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: They have a better field the vision, And it's fun,

948
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: isn't it. I Mean, it's gonna be fun.

949
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: It's still a lot of grass to cover. Yeah, I mean,

950
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: nobody knows that, and that's you know. I think tomorrow

951
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: Night's Hall of Fame game might be the most watched

952
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: game in NFL circles, maybe ever, just to see a

953
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: little bit of it, because teams want to see what

954
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: it's going to look like.

955
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 8: Nobody knows, but nobody wants to give it away either

956
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 8: secrets are they going to put on right, But I

957
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 8: think you just want to see the mechanics of it

958
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 8: and Okay, what's this, what's this look like?

959
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: Because there's nothing to go off of right now? Right?

960
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 5: I wonder if either team will just say, we're not

961
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: going to show you anything. We think we've got the

962
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 5: best plan. We'll take the ball at the twenty or

963
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: the thirty, or yeah, we're kick it out of the

964
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: end zone to give it to you.

965
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: Right because we don't care where if you score on us,

966
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Well, the preseason, really, I think you'd

967
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: be crazy enough to work on it. I think so too.

968
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 6: At least block it up and do the things we

969
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 6: talked about, get that that nine man wall to do

970
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 6: the step one.

971
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: You know.

972
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, one of the other guys I wanted to

973
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: talk about here, who I think has had a pretty

974
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: good camp thus far as Demarvin leal. He's making plays

975
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: every day, whether it's you know, batting down passes, the

976
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: line of scrimm is getting penetration. If he could turn

977
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: things on here in year three.

978
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: He's a pivotal guy.

979
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that that might take something off the table.

980
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: You know, perhaps you know looking long term here and

981
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: you know down the road.

982
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 6: In the draft, I certainly noticed his activity. He looks quick,

983
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 6: you know, stunts and moving around. Well, you're right, he

984
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 6: has made more plays than you would than he has

985
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 6: in previous camps. And I forget when we were talking

986
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 6: about I think it was over the weekend though, Like

987
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 6: if you could have this defensive front with more often

988
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 6: not it's four guys and.

989
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: Left the right, Let's say it's what.

990
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 6: Benton Hayward, Hi Smith and if you can bring Ogan,

991
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 6: Jobi and Lee al is that second line of you know,

992
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 6: second hockey line on the interior, that's a very diverse

993
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 6: and impressive group.

994
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: Potentially he has stood out had to play earlier in

995
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: this in the game, I can't remember it was a

996
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: fields to Russell Wilson rolling up at it down the pass.

997
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: I was fields if he was fields and yeah, and

998
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: got to the edge like fields is fast. Tomas Lea

999
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: was moving and then in the past rushing drills. Mike

1000
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 5: Tomlin was over there shepherding the offensive and line lineman

1001
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: and defensive lineman, uh and calling out the matchups. I

1002
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: believe he went against Mason McCormick. Looked pretty good by

1003
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: the way, you know, looked really good in that drill,

1004
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: really good going against a third string offensive lineman Julius Welshoff,

1005
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: the the international league player. Well, I think he won

1006
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: all three of his pass rushes.

1007
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I said the exact same thing the labs

1008
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: when we were sitting there watching.

1009
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 6: I'm like, this guy, he's six to six and I

1010
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 6: don't know if he's ever gonna be a great edge

1011
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 6: bender or anything like that.

1012
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: But that's two days in a row. I've noticed him

1013
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: and had to check my phone. Who's he again? Las

1014
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: like he's a free roster spot too.

1015
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, yeah, yeah, but no.

1016
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 5: But but going back to Leal, who is you know,

1017
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 5: much more of a of a good bet to be

1018
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 5: helping this team?

1019
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: Uh this year?

1020
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and again, it's a pivotal year for him.

1021
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 5: And when you think about roster construction. There's some there's

1022
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 5: some battles going on, and we haven't seen Lowry out

1023
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 5: here right because he's he's.

1024
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: Not get a clusure that. I saw him doing a

1025
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: little bit more today over with the trainers. I think, uh,

1026
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, maybe by the end of the week we

1027
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: might see him good good.

1028
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1029
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 5: I saw Fojoko had some moments in the past rushing

1030
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 5: drill as well, going up against Zach Frazier.

1031
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: He's had a good Like There's been a couple of

1032
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 3: times where I looked, I'm like, who had that penetration?

1033
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, that was Fojoco. You don't expect that necessarily

1034
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: out of the nose tackle like that.

1035
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there, you know, that could be a position

1036
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 5: in which, you know, like you said, just you know,

1037
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 5: the unexpectedness at the edges of the roster, at the

1038
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 5: end of the roster not going to be because you

1039
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 5: don't know if there's enough good players and who's going

1040
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 5: to fill them, but which good players.

1041
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: Are going to be left out? There's gonna be some

1042
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: good players on this team. Look at the offensive line.

1043
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: You're not going to keep ten offensive linemen, but I

1044
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 5: think they've got ten.

1045
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to keep ten, I could.

1046
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: There's ten that deserve it, right, there are ten, they've

1047
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: kept eleven in the past.

1048
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are ten or eleven guys that you wouldn't

1049
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 5: bat an eye about them keeping on the offensive line. Well,

1050
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 5: you do that, then somebody else is going to go.

1051
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: And I feel the same way about the defensive lineman,

1052
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 5: especially if Leal comes along. You got Leal, you got

1053
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: louder Milk. You know, these guys are are going to

1054
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 5: be you know, potentially, I mean, right, are they going

1055
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 5: to make the roster?

1056
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, bention Fojoko. I mean, these are guys

1057
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: who are NFL players, yep.

1058
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 6: And Anderson and Cook are going to be them. They're

1059
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 6: they're NFL players. And then the offensive line. And I've

1060
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: had the theory recently about I mean Omar Connie, he's

1061
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 6: only a second year GM. We opened the show talking

1062
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 6: about how scoring is down and there's a shortage of

1063
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 6: offensive linemen. My hunch is no one's ever told me this,

1064
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 6: just watching from Afar, that Omar believes we need to

1065
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 6: go to camp with one extra NFL lineman. Whether I've

1066
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 6: get a rash of injuries in Latrobe, knock on Wood.

1067
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 6: Hopefully that's not the case, or you tell you take

1068
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 6: Kendrick Green or Dotson and turn them into draft picks.

1069
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 6: You know, I mean there's a lot of candidates in

1070
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 6: this O line that if you're there, if you have

1071
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 6: eleven good ones and you or ten and you're only

1072
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 6: going to keep nine, somebody will give you something for

1073
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 6: those guys.

1074
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: Agreed, Yeah, agreed.

1075
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is interesting to know whether that's a plan

1076
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 5: or just hoarding guys.

1077
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, I mean, but they like McCormick so much

1078
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 6: they had to draft them. I mean, that make all

1079
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 6: the sense to the world too. I might not be

1080
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 6: right on that, but that's two years in a row

1081
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 6: where we've said they have more NFL linemen than they

1082
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 6: have roster spots.

1083
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 4: Well.

1084
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 5: The other thing too is, you know, and you go

1085
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 5: back to the miners contract and I've heard you mentioned that,

1086
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: and you know, the way you construct a roster and

1087
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: the way you're going to allocate your resources. Is this

1088
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: going to be a team that it's going to pay

1089
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 5: thirty five million dollars to a wide receiver. Do you

1090
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 5: want to pay twenty million dollars to an offensive lineman

1091
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 5: or do you want to develop your own. You know,

1092
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 5: when you think about if James right, James Andrews, his

1093
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: contract is up. He's a young player, he's a good player.

1094
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: He can probably command a lot of money out in

1095
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: free agency. Well you have Mason McCormick and you have

1096
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: Spencer Anderson Herb. Yeah, it's it's very possible.

1097
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 3: If Fraser grabs a center job. Yeah, they got you know.

1098
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 4: Right now.

1099
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 5: And now you're looking at next year's roster and saying, well,

1100
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: there's twenty million dollars we're not paying a guy, or

1101
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: eighteen million or sixteen million.

1102
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: We're not paying that. We can pay somewhere else to

1103
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: upgrade the roster.

1104
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to tease the fans, but Seattle

1105
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 6: was really light at guard.

1106
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: Would they give you Dk Metcalf for James Daniels in

1107
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: a third.

1108
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 6: I'm maybe I might if i'm them, you know, and

1109
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 6: then Anderson, Herbig and McCormick all battle for one spot.

1110
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 6: It's not the worst they haven't heard, especially if don't

1111
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 6: plan on bringing the Daniels back after the year.

1112
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: Yes, and looking at the you know the cost of

1113
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: those guards and you know.

1114
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, guards and receivers went through the roof this year crazy,

1115
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 6: it's not crazy. Trading a guard for receivers never happened.

1116
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's as crazy as you think

1117
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 6: because you're not doing it straight up.

1118
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: No, no, right, but I mean it's I'm just throwing

1119
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: that kind of thing out there. No, it's it's certainly

1120
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: something that you know, I think you you at least explore.

1121
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, well the sun's really out now and it's

1122
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: shining here on look.

1123
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the receiver market I found stunning, absolutely stunning. And

1124
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: you know, I talk a lot about and you guys

1125
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 5: have probably roll your eyes if I mentioned this skin

1126
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: just a trickle down effect, like how one player can

1127
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: affect two or three other players. And you know, let's

1128
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: face it at Jamar Chase. So justin Jefferson, these guys

1129
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 5: can affect everything. They can affect. Not only do you

1130
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: have to utilize your best corner on them, but now

1131
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: they need help from the safety. So what's that going

1132
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: to do. It's gonna help the other receiver, it's gonna

1133
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 5: help your running game because there's not an extra safety

1134
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: in the box.

1135
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 4: On and on and on. Oh yeah, that's so much

1136
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: money to pay a guy who touches the ball seven

1137
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: times a game.

1138
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I mean again, I understand the effect that

1139
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: they have. I understand, you know, what game breakers they

1140
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 5: can be, But doesn't that seem like a huge amount

1141
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 5: of your salary cap to go to a guy who's

1142
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: gonna touch. I mean, if I'm a running back, I'm like,

1143
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 5: wait a minute, I'm getting the ball twenty five times.

1144
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 5: I'm not sniffing thirty five million dollars.

1145
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 6: And I would love for a team and maybe it's

1146
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 6: even this one with their receiver drafting history, every draft

1147
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 6: use a somewhere between a second and fourth round pick

1148
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 6: on a wide receiver. E. If it doesn't look like

1149
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 6: you do it, you've done it five years in a row,

1150
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 6: and you're the Packers and you have more young receivers

1151
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 6: and you know what to do with It's like give

1152
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 6: me another starter pitcher, you know, and whenever they become

1153
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 6: a superstar and it's time for contract trading for a

1154
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 6: first round pick. If they're coming up and they're not

1155
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 6: a superstar, you get a comp pick back. You know,

1156
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 6: like there's always gonna be guys coming out in the draft.

1157
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 6: You know, they're not always more Chase and Tyree Gill,

1158
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 6: but they're also not thirty five million dollars. Yeah, especially

1159
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 6: if you've got so much money, if you've got a

1160
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 6: quarterback that can make the receiver.

1161
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, that's right. Yeah, you better be able to

1162
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: have that. You better be able to have a line

1163
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: like the block and right yeah, yeah, all those other things.

1164
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 6: It makes me makes me wonder if do the Steelers

1165
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 6: say we're gonna draft these linemen and we're gonna pay

1166
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 6: them until they retire as Steelers and someday we don't

1167
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 6: know when that's gonna happen, but where you're gonna have

1168
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 6: a sixty million dollar quarterback and all the skill guys will.

1169
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: Just draft and they can move on and move on.

1170
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it'd be an interesting way

1171
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: to the team build.

1172
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. Let's get to a break.

1173
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson, that is Rob King, and I

1174
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: am Dale Lolly. We are live from Steelers training camp

1175
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: here at Saint Fencent College, where the Steelers just wrapped

1176
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: up their practice earlier today and uh, well they'll be

1177
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: off again until tomorrow now. Of course that practice will

1178
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: start at ten thirty am. And nice crowd out here

1179
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: today for practice, even though they was the heat was hot.

1180
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: As I like to say, but we're gonna take a break.

1181
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: We are live here on ES. I'm sorry, Fox Sports

1182
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio gets.

1183
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: The website up there. The website.

1184
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: That's subliminal, little subliminal. Yeah, but we'll be back with

1185
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: more right after this.

1186
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: At least.

1187
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

1188
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

1189
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

1190
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 4: And we are back.

1191
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson, and that

1192
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 3: is Rob King, and we are live from Steelers training

1193
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: camp here at Saint Pencent College. And guys, let's change

1194
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 3: up the gears here a little bit. And Bill Barmwell

1195
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 3: as press saw an article here on predicting the next

1196
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: ten NFL Hall of Fame class. That's the endeavor.

1197
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you got to guess when guys are

1198
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 6: going to retire too, But no, I did see this.

1199
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: I thought we might bring this up. So his twenty

1200
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: twenty five class. These are the guys he has as

1201
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: the making it this this year. Eli Manning, Antonio Gates,

1202
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: Terrell Suggs, Jared Allen, Adam Vinettieri.

1203
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 6: I think Gates got robbed last year. I thought he

1204
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 6: was a slam dunk. And I don't know why some

1205
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 6: people just won't give you.

1206
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: The first ballot. Deal the guys he doesn't have making

1207
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 3: it who are eligible but aren't elected, Marshawn Lynch, Marshall, Yonda,

1208
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: Ryan Khalil, Luke Keickley, Keib Talib.

1209
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 6: And Earl Thomas Luke Keigley not making it hurts my feelings,

1210
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 6: especially for a Kicker, because Nary to me is like Dale.

1211
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Yonder was really good as well. I was

1212
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 3: really good. I was gonna say that's a weak class

1213
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: that he put in.

1214
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: I think, I think.

1215
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: I'm not putting Adam Vinattier. You know how I feel

1216
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: about Adam Vinattier in the Hall of Fame. I am

1217
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: not putting Adam Vinatieri in. I had really ahead any

1218
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: of these guys that didn't get elected here, Lynch, Yonda

1219
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: or Keikley. Ye, come on right.

1220
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 5: I think that the NFL Hall of Fame is the

1221
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 5: hardest Hall of Fame to figure by far.

1222
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about rob. I did the vote in

1223
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and sitting in that room and and you're

1224
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: presented with the fifteen finalists and the case is made

1225
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: for each one, and you're like, yeah, probably yeah, but

1226
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: you can only vote for five.

1227
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 4: Right, Well, Yonda and the other guy we didn't mention,

1228
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: Earl Thomas. Man. Earl Thomas was.

1229
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: On that list.

1230
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was, I think great player man. Yeah, Keithley

1231
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 5: was a great player. Earl Thomas.

1232
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean wow, Like I think Eli's going.

1233
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 6: I don't think he personally deserves it and wouldn't get

1234
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 6: my vote, especially over all those names, but I do

1235
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 6: think he's going.

1236
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: I can't.

1237
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: I can't vote for Vinitieria. We don't know. We don't

1238
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 4: have all day. But named the four that he had

1239
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: in again, it was five.

1240
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 3: It's five, yeah, Eli, Manning, Gates, Terrell Suggs, Jared Allen,

1241
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: Adam Vannittier.

1242
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 6: Jared Allen's the other one. He's been up for ten years. Yeah,

1243
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 6: put Suggs in over Allen, and I would put a

1244
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 6: lot of those guys that just missed it.

1245
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: I think I would go Gates, Suggs, Key, Kelee, Yonder,

1246
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 5: Thomas myself.

1247
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: That's what I would do.

1248
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: I agree, I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that

1249
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: at all. All Right, let's move on to twenty twenty six,

1250
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: the new Hall of Famers, Drew Brees, Ye, Frank Gorer, Frank,

1251
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: Shawn Lynch. Lynch was a better player. Lynch was a

1252
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: better player. Accumulator, Larry Fitzgerald. He's a Jason Witten, Richard Sherman.

1253
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: But Larry and Breeze are going first ballot. Yeah, out

1254
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: in that group the other guys who were eligible at

1255
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: for that first time but not elected, in addition to

1256
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: the guys who he didn't put in.

1257
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 4: I say it then, like.

1258
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: Previous year ago. I don't know how he did it

1259
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: with that, you know, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Julian Edelman,

1260
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: Des Bryant, Greg Olsen, David di Castro, Marquise Pouncey, Gino Atkins.

1261
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 5: I love me some Richard Sherman, and I love me

1262
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 5: some Marquis poc I'm.

1263
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 6: A big Rivers fan too, Like I think Rivers is

1264
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 6: more deserving than Eli.

1265
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: It was a better player. He was the better player.

1266
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: Eli's got two super Bowls, but a lot of Eli's

1267
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: years that were bad. I mean, he was like that

1268
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: if they didn't win the super Bowl, they didn't win

1269
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: a playoff game. He was the fifteenth best quarterback of

1270
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: most of his years twenty twenty seven, The new Hall

1271
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: of Famers, Ben Roethlisberger, Marshawn Lynch finally gets it. You

1272
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: should have gotten in over Frank Gore, in my opinion,

1273
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson. He goes over. Here's the here's the problem is.

1274
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 3: I know, having sat in that room a lot of times,

1275
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: they won't elect a player two players at the same position.

1276
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1277
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: Uh, Rob Gronkowski.

1278
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 6: Gore, Lynch and Peterson clogging things up for each other though, Yeah,

1279
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 6: and Luke Keikley.

1280
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 4: Peterson's not clogging anything up for anybody.

1281
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: He's going. This was he of the draft classes that

1282
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 3: have been mentioned thus far, This Roethlisberger draft class, Roethlisberger, Lynch, Peterson, Gronkowski, Keiley,

1283
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: Gronk carries a ton of weight I think might end ever,

1284
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: that's a heck of a class.

1285
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all. Yes, all five and.

1286
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: Is as good as all. Yeah. The guys who didn't

1287
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: who don't make it, Ali but not elected, Cam Newton,

1288
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 3: Man Antonio Brown, he'll go, Andrew Whitworth, Alex mackeral, Gerald McCoy,

1289
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Ryan Carrigan, Eric Weddle, Malcolm Jenkins.

1290
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't think there's any massive snuffing, no, especially

1291
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 6: in that good a class.

1292
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me ask you a question.

1293
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 5: And this is what I again, I think is so

1294
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 5: difficult about the NFL Hall of Fame. Like Mac was

1295
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 5: a he was a good player, because you're a really

1296
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 5: good player. Uh, you know, you always have the how

1297
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: long did the guy need to be great for? That's

1298
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: gonna be the ab question.

1299
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: Right, Like six years were as good as any any

1300
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: six years anybody's ever put up.

1301
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: Right right, six And the NFL is tough, But.

1302
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: He played more than six years those six years. However,

1303
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 3: if you if you stack those six years up against

1304
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 3: any player who's ever played that position, right there, there

1305
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: is good, if not better than any six And it

1306
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 3: just so happens him and Julio did at the same time.

1307
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were almost so then you talk like I'd

1308
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 5: say that all the time in baseball, like Sandy Kofax,

1309
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: he was allowed to have He was allowed to be

1310
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 5: the best guy ever for five years and get in

1311
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame. Tony and Leva was not allowed

1312
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: to be the best player in the American League for

1313
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 5: ten years and get in the Hall of Fame.

1314
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: Why why is that? Dale Murphy, Dale Murphy Yeah, it's

1315
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: Dave Barker.

1316
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean these guys were Yeah.

1317
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: Please, he belongs to I know you said that before,

1318
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 6: so absolutely this applies to Antonio Brown too. But supposedly

1319
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 6: character off the field doesn't matter for the and for

1320
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 6: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's not the NFL

1321
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, but supposedly doesn't matter. However, TiO didn't

1322
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 6: go his first year. He had to wait to a second.

1323
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: There's still there's there's still media voting on this, and

1324
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: it's not all media. There are also former players on that,

1325
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: former coaches. Tony Dungee's in there the twenty twenty eight

1326
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: Hall of Famers. Tom Brady, I think he gets it.

1327
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 4: I like it.

1328
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: JJ Watt easy, Marquise Pouncey Wow, Okay, I'm shocked that

1329
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: he Bill put him in at all. Marshall yonda good Okay,

1330
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: Carol Thomas, all right, that would be a heck of our.

1331
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: Guys are in. Our guys are in.

1332
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: That will be ahead in that last too, And that's

1333
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: is how it works.

1334
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, sometimes you can complain for year or two of

1335
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 6: your guys, you know, Gates should win last year.

1336
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: Pouncy's going to get into the Hall of fame think

1337
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: so if he had enough all pros, all pros matter,

1338
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: I think he goes over Mac. Yeah. I don't think

1339
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: he goes over Kelsey for centers of this general. But

1340
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: Kelsey's not eligible yet. I know, I know, I know,

1341
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: all right, but it'll behoove him to get in before

1342
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: Kelsey is eligible, eligible but not elected. Matt Ryan, Matt,

1343
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: DeShawn Jackson, No, aj Green right right, Jarvis Landry No.

1344
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: And Dominican sue No, I don't see it now. Chandler Jones, No, No,

1345
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: Devin mccordy, No, I don't see the amazing I don't

1346
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: see it. Class of twenty twenty nine. Philip River, I

1347
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: can see him. Don't think he's getting right away, but

1348
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: I think he could eventually. Julio Jones easy, Jason Peters, Yeah.

1349
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 6: I mean these last couple of years are weird for him,

1350
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 6: but he went twelve years where it was him and

1351
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 6: Joe Thomas as the best tackles in the league.

1352
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: Jason Kelsey, yes, last, but not least. Aaron Donald, I like, yeah.

1353
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 5: You know, uh, this has only happened with a couple

1354
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 5: of players, but he's the number one guy. I called

1355
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 5: his games in high school a bunch of his games

1356
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 5: when he was in Penhills and he was just unblockable

1357
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 5: and nobody was recruiting him, by the way, you remember that,

1358
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 5: like because he was undersized.

1359
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but nobody was recruiting, but he was. He was

1360
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: like wow.

1361
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 5: And then I saw him at Pitt and I'm like,

1362
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, it looks like he's still playing for Penhills.

1363
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: And I saw him for their Rams.

1364
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 5: And I'm like, it still looks like he's played for

1365
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 5: They still can't block him.

1366
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 6: His man, what a player as a draft prospect when

1367
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: he went to Mobile. Oh, he can play with the

1368
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 6: big dogs and it's the best player there by far.

1369
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: Right.

1370
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1371
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: Uh. Bill Belichick also goes in.

1372
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: According to Barmeall that like his chances as well.

1373
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, eligible but not elected. Dalvin Cook, Michael Thomas, Jimmy Graham,

1374
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox. I don't think any of those guys go.

1375
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown is still sitting there. Yeah he should, but

1376
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't think it was just mist class of twenty

1377
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 3: to thirty. Aaron Rodgers yep, of course. Travis Kelcey, Yes,

1378
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown pretty strong.

1379
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: We got a class going.

1380
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 3: Von Miller, Yeah, last couple of years I've been great.

1381
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, Bobby Wagner.

1382
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, that'd is a great class.

1383
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 6: Keekley did gokeys inay. I wouldn't put Wagner in ahead.

1384
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: Of keith Ley. But who are the guys that eligible

1385
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: but not elected. That's a strong class. Russell Wilson, Okay, yep.

1386
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco, no chance, Ezekiel Elliott, Yeah, probably not, Odell Beckham,

1387
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: I think that said. Yeah, yeah, zach Ertz, Cam Hayward's

1388
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 3: he's got a more interesting case than some might realize.

1389
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: Cameron Jordan, Kalais, Campbell Leavonte, David Stefan, Gilmour, Xavian Howard.

1390
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: I don't see that. No, Patrick Peterson, I think he'll

1391
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: get it. Uh and Cordero Patterson. We're talking about like

1392
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: a lot of Steelers.

1393
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 6: They've been a lot of brought up so far, right, Ben,

1394
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 6: I mean, Pouncy, et cetera.

1395
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: A lot of the Steelers coming up.

1396
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: It's it is, and we're getting so far down the line.

1397
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean.

1398
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, you know, when are we

1399
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 5: going to get to like, you know, Roderick Jones, And

1400
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 5: I mean I.

1401
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 4: Mean, like you know, seriously twenty thirty one.

1402
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: Okay, we're still going twenty thirty one. It's like the

1403
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: Holy Grail, like not that yet the new Hall of

1404
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: Famers in twenty thirty one, bring out your adult Russell Wilson. Okay, like,

1405
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 3: hey 'ps so out here practicing, dude, yep, Russell Wilson.

1406
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 4: So they've russell ed and his second year of Eligibilityeah,

1407
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 4: that's great.

1408
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins borderline, Zach Martin, easy, Patrick Peterson, he'll go

1409
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: go eligible but not elected.

1410
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: Do you think Hopkins is borderline? Yeah? Okay, I mean

1411
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: so if.

1412
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 6: Aj Green didn't, I think he's in that neighborhood. But

1413
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 6: like Reggie Wayne, I think is in.

1414
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 3: I mean there's some receivers he's not in yet, No

1415
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 3: eligible but not elected. Derrick Henry, I think he'll go Stephan.

1416
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 4: Diggs Wait, wait wait wait Derrick Henry. Yeah he's not.

1417
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: He's Wow. Why wouldn't he go in right away?

1418
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 6: Lifetime yardage is nowhere close to the leaders, Like he

1419
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 6: has half as many rushing yards.

1420
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: He's not the ten thousand yards in his career, yod.

1421
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 6: But no one's ever to come close to that again.

1422
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 6: I mean that's like Walter Johnson or cy young stuff.

1423
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 5: You know, I think that and one of the things,

1424
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 5: one of the reasons that I would take you know,

1425
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 5: you mentioned Dave Parker, Dave Parker over Saint Harold Baines, right, is.

1426
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: That if you if I'm I always envisioned like he's

1427
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 4: the more feared hitter.

1428
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm taking my son through my grandson. Now, I'm

1429
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 5: taking my grandson through the Hall of Fame. And I'm like, hey,

1430
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 5: Harrol Bains, who's it? And I'm gonna say, Harro Bains

1431
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 5: isn't blowng in there. But you know, Frank Gordy, Hey,

1432
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 5: this guy put up some he put up some nice

1433
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 5: numbers and he was a good player.

1434
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: I get to Dave Parker by, but you should.

1435
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 5: Have seen this guy, this guy when he could do it,

1436
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 5: watch play, right, Derrick Henry, I'm like, you should have

1437
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 5: seen that guy right like that?

1438
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: That to me is of some value.

1439
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: Like Art Monk is in the Hall of Fame, and

1440
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: he's a fine player, really good a long time, but

1441
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: he's not Calvin Johnson right right.

1442
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying there's not room for both of them.

1443
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: I think both of them, Uh, Derrick Henry, Stefan Diggs

1444
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen didn't go right. Tyron Smith, I think he'll

1445
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: go Lane Johnson. I think he'll go to Mario Davis,

1446
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: Khalil Mack, Darius Slay. Yeah, Harrison Smith, Tyram Mathel. There's

1447
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: a lot of Halo very good that Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

1448
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: I agree, Class of two, thy thirty two, Matthew Stafford,

1449
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: DeVante hop around the.

1450
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 4: Seaton devote football.

1451
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 3: Here we go, DeVante Adams.

1452
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: All right.

1453
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 6: They both need to do a little more, but they

1454
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 6: can since this is twenty thirty two.

1455
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 3: R Tyrone Smith.

1456
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, Trent Williams, that's probably I guess that's his first

1457
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 6: year according to this.

1458
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Justin Tucker.

1459
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 6: I like Tucker way more than Vinitary in the Kicker world,

1460
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 6: and I'm Tucker in over Hester who just got in.

1461
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 6: I know Cordial Patterson's name came up, but I don't

1462
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 6: see him as a Hall of Famer.

1463
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 3: I mean I had a hard time with Hester eligible

1464
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: but not elected. Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Alvin Kamara, Cooper Cupp,

1465
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: these are all knows for me.

1466
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 4: George Kittle cool, I have to see cup Kittle.

1467
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: Kittle gets a ring, could go along way. Joel Botonio

1468
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence or I'm sorry to Marcus Lawrence. To Marcus Lawrence,

1469
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: there's a lot of not close to me. The class

1470
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: of two thousand and.

1471
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 4: Thirty three, How far do we go on this? Thirty four?

1472
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: I believe ten years?

1473
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: So you know, so the first year of.

1474
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: The NFL, right, the new NFL was nineteen thirty three, right,

1475
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 5: they nineteen twenty they celebrated for nineteen thirty three. It's

1476
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: when they kind of you know, the Steelers first year

1477
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 5: and they sort of that elage team.

1478
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 4: Right.

1479
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, would one hundred anniversary be thirty two or thirty three?

1480
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 5: When you're celebrating one hundred years of football? Isn't thirty

1481
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 5: two one hundred?

1482
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 4: Tier?

1483
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: No, that's the ninety nine, isn't it. Maybe you're right, No,

1484
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: you're right, but maybe they'll put like ten in that

1485
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: year or something like the No.

1486
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 5: I just wonder if sorry, I just wanted to randomly

1487
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 5: don't make us do Matthew off topic whether that was

1488
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 5: it because I said one hundred yeer football. But now

1489
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, which would it be?

1490
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: Which would it be?

1491
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1492
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: Class of twenty thirty three, get back on the tracks. Yes,

1493
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: twenty thirty three tyreek Hill.

1494
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: He's in yep.

1495
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: Mike Evans, I think so. I mean on thousand yards

1496
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: every year. Khalil Mack he was close when he brought

1497
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: him up before. To man Chris Jones. They make a

1498
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: pretty strong case, especially gets the other ring or defensive

1499
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: MVP or you know, Jalen Ramsey, Eh Cordero Patterson. Ramsey

1500
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 3: needs to do more. Yeah, I could.

1501
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeh.

1502
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 3: He's kind of plateaued not not to go in as

1503
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: a first year guy. Come, I don't see that eligible

1504
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 3: but not elected. Nick Chubb, you better get back at it. Yeah,

1505
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper, Matthew Judon, No, DeForest Buckner, No, he's terrible.

1506
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 4: And CJ.

1507
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: Mosley. Buckner might have a slight case, but I think

1508
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 3: he's like Fletcher Cox, Cameron Jordan. Yeah, you know, good

1509
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: class of twenty thirty four. This is the last one here.

1510
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: New Hall of Famers. Christian mccaffe I think him and

1511
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: Henry are the backs of this year that.

1512
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 4: Go Derrick Henry. Okay, I don't get two backs in

1513
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 4: at once. We couldn't do that. If we couldn't do

1514
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: that in twenty twenty.

1515
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 3: Six, George Kittle, perhaps T J.

1516
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 6: Watty, Why is I think walk could retire right now

1517
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 6: and howl's Kittle.

1518
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 4: He's thirty, makes sense?

1519
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he probably three or four.

1520
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 4: More years for blocking and receiving good teams. Is he

1521
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 4: the best guy in the I think he's the.

1522
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: Best sight end right now.

1523
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 4: Still, that's what I'm saying.

1524
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, just all around.

1525
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 6: Not my fantasy team, but I mean, like you could

1526
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 6: add one to your football team, right Like, I think

1527
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 6: he's the best over the last five years, including Kelsey.

1528
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 5: That seems to me to be a pretty good because

1529
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 5: you're kind of, like I thought, it felt like you

1530
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 5: were up in the air at him a little bit.

1531
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 4: Does he live to do more? Maybe a couple more

1532
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 4: good years.

1533
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 6: Like I think Gronk's a slam dunk, Kelsey's a slam dunk.

1534
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 6: But I think Kittle's right there with like Gates and

1535
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 6: Witten and you know, not.

1536
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 3: The very very best. But I also just said I

1537
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 3: think Kittle is a better player than Kelsey, but that

1538
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,799
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's a better resume.

1539
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1540
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Kelsey.

1541
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 6: Has all the records and the rings and Taylor Swift

1542
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 6: and you know.

1543
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: The thing he says here about what is would anybody

1544
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: be surprised if he added another fifty sacks over the

1545
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 3: next five years before he retires. I guess not at all,

1546
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: not at all. I mean it's expected if he plays

1547
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 3: five years. Yeah, in fact, it probably should be more

1548
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 3: than that.

1549
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 6: So Dale and I, especially in the off season, will

1550
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 6: have these conversations. And I guess it's Pro Football Reference that.

1551
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: Has the Hall of Fame. I love that.

1552
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 6: And Watt's like already in like Honestly, he's almost parallel

1553
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 6: to Mahomes in terms of case for their position compared

1554
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 6: to what's in.

1555
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

1556
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: The guys in that year who are eligible but not elected,

1557
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley, he's gotta do a lot more. Mark Andrews

1558
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 3: could keep it. I mean, tight ends play a long time.

1559
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 3: Kenny Clark and I can't see that. Buddha Baker, No,

1560
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 3: I don't see it. H The interesting thing here, guys,

1561
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 3: as I read through this list is we see some

1562
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: some quarterbacks go in over the next few years. There

1563
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: was that whole Ben Yeah, and then they retired together.

1564
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 3: From after Stafford goes in in twenty thirty two, those

1565
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: next couple there's nothing, there's nothing.

1566
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 6: It's funny if you go to like drafthistory dot com

1567
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 6: and you pull up just the first round quarterbacks.

1568
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 3: There's like an eight year stretch where it's Wentz and

1569
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: Winston and Mariota. Like the league got deprived.

1570
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 6: You know, there wasn't a class behind Ben's era between

1571
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 6: Mahomes and Ben, you know what I mean, Like, there's

1572
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 6: not much in there, like should have been Luck kind

1573
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 6: of was Russell Wilson. They're the same class, but you know,

1574
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 6: neither ones a dominant player as we speak. You know,

1575
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 6: they should be in their prime or just past their prime.

1576
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 6: Stafford's kind of there, but none of them are superstars.

1577
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 6: There's a lot of busts that are early.

1578
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 3: Picks there, or just guys like Derek Carr who are

1579
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: good but not or have been good but not great.

1580
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold and Baker and guys have been the league

1581
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 6: now six seven years that were high picks that should

1582
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 6: be stars.

1583
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 4: Well.

1584
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 5: There's also I think two things we talk about, how

1585
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 5: you know, how to COVID affect things, how's the NIL

1586
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 5: affecting the draft now? And what kind of lag effect

1587
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 5: would there be on that? I mean, some of these

1588
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 5: guys are just playing so long now. Yeah, I mean

1589
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 5: you know, the quarterbacks in the past weren't playing into

1590
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 5: their mid forties, you know, or forty at all. The

1591
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 5: other thing, I think it would be fun, and I

1592
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 5: love Pro Football Reference and baseball Pro Baseball Reference for

1593
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 5: that matter. They're great websites. You know, they used to

1594
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 5: have the old thing. Hey, if you can only take

1595
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: five books on a desert island with you, well, if

1596
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 5: I can only take five websites, those two would I

1597
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 5: would have Pro Football Reference and Pro Baseball Reference. But

1598
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 5: you know, when you talk about the Hall of Fame monitor,

1599
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 5: which is great and it's fun to see, I wonder

1600
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 5: if that ever diminishes if a player's career goes on longer. So,

1601
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 5: you know, like Russell Wilson, right, that's exactly the guy

1602
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 5: I was thinking.

1603
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking at this right now, I'm looking at

1604
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 3: the monitor here. So right now, as we sit here,

1605
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson sits behind Kurt Warner, he is the score

1606
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 3: of eighty eight point three seven in. Kurt is in.

1607
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: He's right ahead of Eli Manning, Ken Anderson, Ken Stabler,

1608
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Sonny Jurgensen, Bob Greasey, Warren Moon, Cam Newton,

1609
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: Joe Namath, Lenn Dawson. I've said this many times, ahead

1610
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: of Troy Aikman and Jim Kelly.

1611
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 6: The day he got traded in to Denver, I was asked,

1612
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 6: is he a Hall of Famer if he doesn't ever

1613
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 6: play again? And I said yes, but he hasn't helped

1614
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 6: himself over two years.

1615
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know.

1616
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 5: One of the other things too, is I was looking

1617
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 5: over your shoulder to see where Terry Bradshaw was.

1618
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,959
Speaker 3: Where's he compared to Uh, He's right ahead of Roger Staubach,

1619
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 3: which nobody question is Bradshaw below? He's group Patrick Mahomes

1620
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: is right ahead of Terry Bradshaw at this point.

1621
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 6: So that doesn't bother me, No, it does, But it's

1622
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 6: it's six seasons.

1623
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 3: That's that just shows you how how dominant he's been.

1624
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 6: Six seasons, but his worst year is losing six seasons

1625
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 6: as a starter.

1626
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 3: He's been in the league seven years, six seasons as

1627
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: a starter.

1628
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 4: You know what it feels like. It's it's just been

1629
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 4: so dominant. It feels like it's not even hit his

1630
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 4: prime yet.

1631
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 5: But here's the thing too, when you talk about and

1632
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 5: I wonder sometimes how they do these things. So we've

1633
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 5: been talking about Dave Parker, So not a great on

1634
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 5: base percentage. So now are you taking today's metrics and

1635
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 5: applying them to the past.

1636
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 3: So, Terry Bradshaw, it wasn't important that, right, Yeah.

1637
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 5: You know if you threw an interception back in the day,

1638
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 5: you threw an interception back today, you.

1639
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 4: Were trying to wing it down the field and make

1640
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 4: something happen.

1641
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 3: Well, today, his TV interception ratio is horrendous.

1642
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 4: Right, you need what do you need? Five to one?

1643
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? His is like one to one all right in

1644
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 3: some years?

1645
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 4: So is that is that are you using today's metrics

1646
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 4: to well?

1647
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: I think that's why they That's why they factor in

1648
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 3: ap All pros, they factor in Pro Bowls, how many

1649
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 3: years started, championships won, things like that. That that that

1650
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,959
Speaker 3: factor into it as well as the stats.

1651
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 4: Right.

1652
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 6: One thing that worries me for future Hall of Fame voting,

1653
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 6: especially with offensive linemen. I hope people don't start citing

1654
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 6: Pro Football Focus.

1655
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 4: No, I hope.

1656
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 3: I hope not as well. I think it's a very

1657
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: good site. I go there every day.

1658
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 6: I got a lot of information from it, but I

1659
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 6: don't want to hear well.

1660
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: His Pro Football Focus grade was the tenth best guard

1661
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 3: in the league, like see. And this is the thing.

1662
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 3: So when I was when I I had to, I

1663
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 3: had to put I had to. You know, Alan Fanica

1664
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: was up, so I had to. I had to make

1665
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: the case for Allen Fanic as well as Troy Polamalu

1666
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 3: that year. And I cited the you know these pro

1667
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 3: the the the Pro Football Reference grades here if you

1668
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: look at it, Fanica fourth best all time amongst guards,

1669
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 3: amongst guards, ahead of Larry Allen. I had Larry Little,

1670
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 3: Steve Hutchins. He had a better grade than Steve Hutchinson.

1671
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: Hutchinson went in before him for whatever reason. But he

1672
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 3: you know, he was well ahead of those guys. You know,

1673
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it's it's difficult.

1674
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 5: You know.

1675
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 3: You look at we talked about Keikley on here, where

1676
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: Keikley is fifth best all time? Yeah, to me, whenever

1677
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,480
Speaker 3: he was like Behnray Lewis, Mike Singletary, Jack Lambert, Dick Buckus,

1678
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: that's where he Yeah, I mean that that's accurate, right.

1679
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 6: I mean, if linebackers I've seen off the ball, there's

1680
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 6: not many I'd take ahead of.

1681
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 4: I think that you're right. I think the Pro Bowl

1682
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 4: or All Pro should carry a weight.

1683
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: There's only one first first team All Pro, there's one

1684
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 3: for the whole league.

1685
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 5: If your first or second team All Pro, that carries

1686
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: a lot of weight. And how many times do you

1687
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 5: have to be that to get in over the course

1688
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 5: of a career. I mean, if your first or second

1689
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 5: team All Pro four or five times, man, you're a.

1690
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: Really really good player, you know, really good.

1691
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 6: So I was listening to podcasts the other day and

1692
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 6: I never thought of that angle, But they suggested that

1693
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 6: the awards in the NFL have become kind of a joke.

1694
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 6: The MVP is always a quarterback. Yeah, Offensive Player of

1695
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 6: the Year doesn't hold a lot of water. But what

1696
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 6: if they did it like they did in college Linebacker

1697
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 6: of the Year Nagirski a winner, the Mackie Award winner,

1698
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 6: and then you can be like, well, Kelsey won the

1699
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 6: Mackie six out of eight years, you know, but.

1700
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 4: You still like it.

1701
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: Who's voting on it? Somebody smart me and you, Because

1702
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 3: that's that's my biggest that's my biggest issue now with

1703
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: those things. You know, the eight Defensive Player of the

1704
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: Year last year, we think it should have been, well,

1705
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 3: it should have been anybody with a brain knows that

1706
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: what had a better year than Miles Garrett, especially the

1707
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 3: second half of the season. Garrett went seven games without

1708
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: a sack to end the season. Like, how do you

1709
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 3: give that guy defensive player of the Year over a

1710
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: guy who led the league for the third time in

1711
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 3: four years in sacks.

1712
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 6: I'm not fighting you at all, but I assume when

1713
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 6: Watt comes up, it'll also be like, well, he came

1714
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 6: in second in twenty twenty two, and I mean, at

1715
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 6: least he has something to put on his resume from

1716
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 6: that year. But it would be nice if he won

1717
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 6: Edge Defender of the Year, the Lawrence Taylor Award.

1718
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 3: But there there again the edge Defender of the well,

1719
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: Miles Gertzen Edge.

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Speaker 4: So there's just so much.

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Speaker 3: But I like the idea alignment of the year, the

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Speaker 3: winner of the year, you know.

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Speaker 4: The Yeah, I think it's a great idea, like award

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Speaker 4: if you had some.

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Speaker 5: Kind of voting, Like I think that when you look

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Speaker 5: at and baseball doesn't have end the season awards.

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Speaker 4: There is no All pro in baseball, so you're an

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Speaker 4: All Star.

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Speaker 5: Well, what if you're just a good first half player,

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Speaker 5: you know, or or what if you're not allowed the

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Speaker 5: best player and allows the team every year, you're going

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Speaker 5: to get in four straight years and you might not

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Speaker 5: be as good as the second best player on another.

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Speaker 6: Team, Tony Panian whose lean to win like every year

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Speaker 6: because they were in the worst team in the league

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Speaker 6: and they had to represent somebody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I think that.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that is good in baseball, and

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Speaker 5: one of the things that helps you evaluate pitchers is

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Speaker 5: they have the Cy Young Award and then they tell

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Speaker 5: you where the guy finished, so voting pretty yeah, if

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Speaker 5: you're if you're you know, five times in the top

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Speaker 5: five and one Cy Young went.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good. Pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Good. The show is pretty good, I think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we get to conductor over here.

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Speaker 3: It's almost three o'clock. We're up against it here. We

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Speaker 3: got to end the show. I know we could do

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Speaker 3: this all night, and maybe we will maybe today we

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Speaker 3: will continue to talk about this, but we have to

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Speaker 3: stop now. We'll talk again tomorrow. But that was Bill

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Speaker 3: Barmwell's list. That that's a that's quite the undertaking. Is

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Speaker 3: the look ten years into the Crystal Wall from the editor.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not but fun. It was fun talk. There is

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Speaker 3: a lot of steelers, Yeah, a lot of steelers. And

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Speaker 3: guys who played in recent years for the Steelers, and uh,

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Speaker 3: well that should make everybody happy. But we get to

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Speaker 3: end the show. I hope hopefully that makes people unhappy.

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Speaker 3: Not that we want you unhappy, but we do want

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Speaker 3: you to want to listen to the show. But for

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Speaker 3: my partner Rob King, for Matt Williamson here as well,

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to

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Speaker 3: this edition of The Drive Live from Steelers training camp

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Speaker 3: here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.