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Speaker 1: Ladies, you want experience during your football season, well, buckle.

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Speaker 2: Up, sweet cheeks.

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Speaker 1: We've got all the experience in the world. This is

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Speaker 1: I want your flex with Dan Byer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set

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Speaker 1: your lineups, from position rankings to starts and sins. The

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Speaker 1: guys help you make those hard decisions. And now let's

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Speaker 1: get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 3: Week thirteen is in the books. Welcome in. He's Mike Carmon.

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Speaker 3: Hit him up at Swollendome. You can find me at

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Speaker 3: Dan Byer on Fox. Get Mike on Blues Guy as

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Speaker 3: well at Mike carmeron. You can find me at Dan

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Speaker 3: Byer on Blue Guy, who shows executive producer as Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 3: And before we even hear from Mike Harmon, you know

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Speaker 3: Ian's on AX at Ian Roddy Underscore.

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Speaker 2: It's been a week. It's been through the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 2: Are you on Blue Skuy yet? Ian?

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Speaker 4: I'm not on Blue Sky yet, but but I have

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Speaker 4: heard about Blue Sky a lot more now, so I'm

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Speaker 4: thinking it might actually be starting to catch on a

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Speaker 4: little more. The first time i'd ever heard it mentioned

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Speaker 4: was on this show. So now I've heard in a

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Speaker 4: few other.

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Speaker 2: Places, well you can find Mike and I on it.

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Speaker 3: And I think Mike, we are making an impression on

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Speaker 3: Ian that at some point, by the time the season ends,

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Speaker 3: I think he will be on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 2: A safe bet.

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Speaker 5: That's it. I mean, it's it's basically as my friends

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Speaker 5: am finally here on a wedding day. So they dated

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Speaker 5: forever and he finally acquiesced. They've now been married like

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Speaker 5: sixteen years, but they dated for a good decade before that,

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Speaker 5: and that was part of his part of his vows, We're.

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Speaker 2: Going to wear you down, and it's going to happen

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Speaker 5: It might be ten years, but we'll get Jim.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: The fantasy season has worn me down, and I think

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Speaker 3: that there may be others in the fantasy world that

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Speaker 3: feel my pain. Whether you have three teams that's what

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Speaker 3: I had this year to regular guillotine, whether you have

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Speaker 3: Mike who's been doing drafts since mid July, actually even

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Speaker 3: earlier than that, and I don't even know how many

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Speaker 3: teams Mike has. I think Ian has six overall, including

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Speaker 3: is Guillotine squad. But guys, I'm crapped out, guillotine chopped,

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Speaker 3: longtime league, no chance of the playoffs, and I'm close

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so, but I'm still here for the party,

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Speaker 3: still here to hang, still here to do all the information.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes it happens in a fantasy football season and

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Speaker 3: you just got to find other ways to enjoy the

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Speaker 3: rest of the NFL. Luckily, my Seahawks are still in

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Speaker 3: the thick of things, leaders in the NFC West, so

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Speaker 3: that will occupy my attention.

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Speaker 2: But we don't want anybody who is in my.

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Speaker 3: Spot of fantasy football to abandon the podcast because we

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Speaker 3: don't just talk fantasy football. We talk all NFL, and

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Speaker 3: we talk all different phases. I just wanted to put

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Speaker 3: that's season's done for me. I've only got next week

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Speaker 5: There's a couple of things to it. Number One, there's

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Speaker 5: always potentially the opportunity to play spoiler, right not all

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Speaker 5: league playoffs will start week fifteen. Maybe you got one

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Speaker 5: more week in you but either way, you know, change

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Speaker 5: it to week long tournaments. And like there's other variations. Also,

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Speaker 5: hate watching the teams that have defeated you in your league.

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Speaker 5: we take a lot of shots at the NFL world

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Speaker 5: and the good, the bad, the ugly. Add the pop

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Speaker 5: culture humor and just random chaos, and we'll give you

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Speaker 5: something to listen to. If nothing else, you're gonna shake

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Speaker 5: your fist and call me a jerk.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's calling me a jerky.

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Speaker 5: I think I got a couple on Twitter, let me

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Speaker 3: We've talked last week about the drive, the fumble, the catch,

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Speaker 3: the test for a few more people around Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: Mike and I almost think we have to.

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Speaker 3: Do a better job of teaching our youth about the

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Speaker 4: An easy one.

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Speaker 3: It is is an easy one, but I even mentioned that.

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Speaker 3: Jameis Winston being Jameis Winston and Bo Nix I guess

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Speaker 5: Great moments in gambling history as well. So you get

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Speaker 5: So Denver just on the doorstep again by themselves. But

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Speaker 3: It was great to see Jameis Winston do what he

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Speaker 3: This isn't just a guy that the NFL has been

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Speaker 3: the I mean, he is a gun slinger, I will

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Speaker 5: into the good night. Fifty eight pass attempts in this

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Speaker 5: So that was one thing that he raised an eyebrow.

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Speaker 5: Here right, even without Tillman, they're able to move the ball,

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Speaker 5: big chunk plays. The fact that Certan wasn't just glued

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Speaker 5: quiet night for him. So I'll take one victory in

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Speaker 5: there in terms of what the cold cold soares were

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Speaker 5: was did. But Courtland Sutton gets over the one hundred

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Speaker 5: The one thing he did didn't get from Bonnicks. Here

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Speaker 5: He had a couple of great rollouts. Oh there, he's

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Speaker 5: No, he didn't, and then he would end up finding

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Speaker 3: Here's here's the good thing with bon Nicks. In my opinion,

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Speaker 3: bad news is if you are fighting for a playoff spot,

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Speaker 3: they're at LA against the Chargers. But your championship game,

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Speaker 3: we've seen, everybody is feasting on Cincinnati. So b Nicks

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Speaker 3: favorable matchups. If you have been riding Bonicks as of

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Speaker 3: late for your fantasy starter.

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Speaker 5: Think about that. The potential of Bonnicks giving you your

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Speaker 5: but you trusted the all right coordinators there, they'll figure

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Speaker 5: it out. Yeah, and they've just been an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 5: I mean think Russell Wilson went over four hundred yards

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this because we are late in the season.

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Speaker 3: The trickiest part about drafting in a season long affair,

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Speaker 4: Look how every quarterback other than Deshaun Watson just puts

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Speaker 5: that's ready to play for Deshaun Watson. It never seemed

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Speaker 3: So well, you know the the and I think Ian

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Speaker 3: And maybe we knew that because Joe Flacco, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's all you need to know.

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Speaker 5: for Week sixteen. Thanks, So you know, look, you gotta

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Speaker 4: For sure, Jamis can get you to your Fantasy championship,

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Speaker 5: Hopefully if you're able to parlay that together somehow, that

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what something happened in week thirteen

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Speaker 3: And it's not Jameis Winston almost setting in an NFL record.

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Speaker 3: I know it was the fourth time in history that

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, hey, I'll take this next thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm winning my game like it was. It

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Speaker 5: For the week. He finishes as the third highest scoring

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Speaker 5: That's not a bad week at the office. Uh yeah, again,

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's not as fun.

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Speaker 5: No, no, Look, and you know me, how many fights

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Speaker 5: Like I was the guy holding the flag and waving

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Speaker 3: The conditions made it such and I think it's a lesson,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you try to out smart yourself.

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Speaker 3: If you have Josh Allen, just start Josh Allen, doesn't

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Speaker 3: Against the Patriots, and that would have made sense. But

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Speaker 5: I would. You know what's funny is you brought up

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Speaker 3: that tells you that two is not getting the football

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00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: to the guys that he needs to get the football too.

435
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: Like if defenses you'd have to think Green Bay is like, well,

436
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: just let him dump it off to John o Smith

437
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: all game.

438
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: So that's all that they did, you.

439
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 6: Know, Like there's you're right about the overall number and

440
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 6: two in the snow is what I'm talking about, because

441
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 6: the fantasy numbers that he had on Thursday night were fine,

442
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 6: but they really weren't battling the elements there.

443
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 3: It was just cold. But yeah, I think that's another

444
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: part of it too. And I played against John Osmith

445
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 3: in the league, and I'm like, you know, gosh darn it,

446
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: you know that works out.

447
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: But that plays in the hands of what your defense wants.

448
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: No, it's it take the under and then just make

449
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 5: sure you actually can tackle. Yeah, if you trust that

450
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 5: your team can bring guys down, you'll do just fine.

451
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 5: So just don't let them find the seam like we

452
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 5: saw so many times in that crazy ass Monday night game. See,

453
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 5: it all comes back to watching Jamis slinging around and

454
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 5: now praying well that relieves him of his pick sick

455
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: uh problem.

456
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Speaker 3: And a week and a half ago, we had the

457
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Speaker 3: Snow game in Cleveland between the Browns and Steelers, and

458
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: I said other day after I said it, you know,

459
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 3: I said it on the network, and we brought it

460
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 3: up on Monday again. On the heels of this, I

461
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: don't want to see this every week. This is I

462
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 3: call it muted football. And because these teams aren't able

463
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: to play at their highest levels, the Bills in forty

464
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: nine Ers are tiptoeing around the field because you don't

465
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 3: want to slip. And as I'm explaining my point, which

466
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: I ended up apparently being on the side of Skip Bayless,

467
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: which doesn't happen too often, but he had the same

468
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: point on Sunday night, I'm just like, I kind of

469
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Speaker 3: want to see the Bills take on the forty nine ers.

470
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Speaker 2: I want to see the real deal here.

471
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Speaker 3: And someone pointed out, yeah, they had more points in

472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: that game than most other NFL games, but that's not

473
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: the point. The point isn't the point scored, it's how

474
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: they're scored. To your point about the Cooper lateral, it

475
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: looked like is maybe forward progress was stopped, but you

476
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: also have three defenders who again are tiptoing and trying

477
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: not to fall on their ass, you know, because.

478
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: Or get called for the late hit because they're waiting

479
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 5: on a whistle or whatever else. Yeah, there's and and

480
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 5: defenses are actually more at risk of making a bad

481
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 5: play because they don't necessarily know where they're going in

482
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 5: certain situations.

483
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: Sure there's something to holding on to the football, but.

484
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: If you're a runner or a wide receiver, you at

485
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: least have an idea of where you're going where the

486
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: defender needs to react and can't necessarily be as safe

487
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 3: and cautious in their footwork. So you are going to

488
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: get points at times, Like it's not a six to

489
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: three ball game. Teams are moving the football up and

490
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: down the field, but I just don't think that's the

491
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 3: way the way that they are playing is really true

492
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: to their identity and who they are as teams and

493
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: who they are as offenses.

494
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough because I mean, I like natural element

495
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: weather games to a point, Like I it's the worst

496
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 5: argument you make in sports talk radio and TV. You

497
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 5: gotta have a hot take on it. Like I'm down

498
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: the middle on this one because like part of me

499
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 5: is like, all right, let's see what you do. You know,

500
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 5: when everything's not in a dome and nice and cozy,

501
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: the other part is this isn't real football, Like if

502
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 5: I've got to worry about my footing, not only because

503
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: one false step gives you the run to the end zone,

504
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: but also the oh, I don't know, I may rit

505
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 5: my acl if I actually plant a little better on

506
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 5: a step or whatever.

507
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean.

508
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 5: Because we watch Christian McCaffrey go down right, and as

509
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 5: soon as he he went down to the the ground,

510
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's it, Like that wasn't a Hey, I'm

511
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: not feeling like I lost my footing. I'm going down

512
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 5: and it was no. Something popped. And then of course

513
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 5: we get the subruterer. Frame by frame, watch his calf,

514
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 5: you know, watch his knee, all of this stuff as

515
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 5: we go through, and now to the ir for him,

516
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, six weeks Mason Joy as well. We'll get

517
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 5: to the waiver wire stuff in a minute. But to

518
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 5: your point, Dan, yeah, it's it's you. You've got to

519
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 5: change your entire playing style. It's all right. We got

520
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 5: a game plan on on Tuesday, Wednesday, We're ready start

521
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 5: the week in practice. Ah crap, there's five feet of snow.

522
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: Sure, and I think that there's there's there's something to

523
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: the five feet of snow that Buffalo embraces it.

524
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: But let's be real, the Bills aren't practicing in that.

525
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: No, But I saw some people trying to make that arguments,

526
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 5: like they get the advantagers they don't practice in that.

527
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: You think the players unions let them practice in that.

528
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 5: Hell no, that's why they all have these bubbles. Now,

529
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 5: why they cry that they don't have great facilities for

530
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 5: guys to practice in.

531
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Speaker 2: You you're a Chicago guy.

532
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: I'm a Wisconsin guy, and we know what winter is

533
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: all about. And and my point to everybody who is

534
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: loving these games is, you know, we're based in southern California,

535
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: and I'm surrounded by all these Southern California natives who

536
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's awesome for you as well to

537
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: watch this.

538
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: Be like this is great.

539
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: I go because then you can go outside to the

540
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: park and do outside yoga. Ye you know, like you

541
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: don't know the real struggle of what that actually is

542
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: in the life of it, Like it's so unique because

543
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: it's so foreign to you and your everyday life.

544
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: But there is a there is a different flip side.

545
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, do you understand the work that it goes

546
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: in to try to go to a football game like that,

547
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: not even only before the game, but even after the

548
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: game and everything that comes with it.

549
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: It's quite the chore. It is not easy.

550
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 5: I wonder how much you know, I mean, twenty bucks

551
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: an hour, plus the hot chocolate whatever else. I'm always

552
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 5: curious how many people come diving in. I'd be one

553
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: up and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna need an

554
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: Allen jersey, yeah, or a raffle towards a helmet game experience.

555
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: I'm happy to come shovel.

556
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: Give them one hundred bucks in the pro shop.

557
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, give me something a little extra juice

558
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 5: beyond my twenty bucks an hour.

559
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, hot chocolate should not

560
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: be advertised, like you should just assume that it's there.

561
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 5: I'm assuming I'm getting coffee and dotcha yes, yes, and

562
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 5: probably something off somebody's grill.

563
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: If I'm showing up to shovel snow for your ass.

564
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be a part of it. That should be

565
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: the given aspect of it. But forty nine ers are

566
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: in a heap of trouble.

567
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: They play the Bears this week though, Oh Misery Bowl,

568
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: how do you like that new coach? We're all fired

569
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 5: up Jalen Johnson doing all his media rounds and then

570
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 5: on the road at San Francisco.

571
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Well, it's and I would love to know what's going

572
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: to happen, you know, in that scenario. Hopefully the weather

573
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: conditions will be fine in the Bay Area and we

574
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: can get a real true test of these two teams.

575
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: But I'm curious to see how your bears respond in

576
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: the post eberflus era as well, which is a topic

577
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: a conversation heading into week fourteen.

578
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely like. Look, I pulled

579
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 5: the press conference that they did on Monday with Poles

580
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: and Kevin Warren. It might be one of the great

581
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: comedies I've seen this year. So if you wanted to,

582
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: if that can win an Emmy or some kind of

583
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: Webby Award or something, put a laugh track to it.

584
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: It's hilarious, you get. Poles asked a question about the

585
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: hiring of Shane Waldron, which we've talked about a lot

586
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: on the podcast and certainly on the network. There was

587
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: eleven seconds of silence before he answered, they have not

588
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: been in front of anybody since Thursday, Since before Thursday,

589
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: right Friday, they said Eberflu's out there because they quote

590
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 5: hadn't decided to fire him at that point. Maybe that

591
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: was a little short sighted, is what they said. Ryot

592
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: Poles looked like he'd rather be in anywhere else in

593
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 5: the world. We joke about, you know, hey, what's the

594
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: worst scenario you can find yourself in that someone turns

595
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 5: a camera on you. That was it, because they asked

596
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 5: him about Waldron. I was like, pause, pause, like I'm

597
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: hearing crickets chirping. I'm here hearing you know, trucks in

598
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: the back like whatever you want to add in as

599
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 5: the sound effects, like just one after another. And then

600
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: Kevin Warren doing all sorts of tap dancing ultimately to say, well,

601
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: you know, Ryan Pole's gonna make the decision, Like no, no,

602
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 5: you just talked about committees and everything else, and now

603
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: you're basically setting this guy up as a fall guy,

604
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 5: as the next guy to go. You want to talk

605
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 5: about an empty suit situation, Dan, They might play for

606
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: this coach, but I wouldn't think, to a man they've

607
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 5: got any confidence that there's any real direction here.

608
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: I know that you've lived this life, so I completely

609
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: understand it. But so maybe I'll ask Ian, But Ian

610
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: have you seen the TikTok of the guy explaining the

611
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: Bears history of quarterback and head coach relationships. Have you

612
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: seen this, I don't think so where they haven't had

613
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: like a head coach in quarterback lineup in like twenty

614
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: five years.

615
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: You mean, like they draft one and then they you know,

616
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: hire a new head coach.

617
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they draft so then the new.

618
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: Head coach comes in and it's not his quarterback. And

619
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: then so then they get a new quarterback, but then

620
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: they fire the head coach. So they bringing a new

621
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: head coach and that's not his quarterback.

622
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: Half measures don't work. It's not a winning strategy.

623
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: It's it's an endless cycle. It truly is, Mike, that

624
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: is what your life is. And it could have ended

625
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: last year. But they're like, nah, let's let's roll this bait.

626
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: Let's keep this bad boy going.

627
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 5: I told you the man had a year left on

628
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: his contract.

629
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was what.

630
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: The scary part was with all of this train wreck stuff,

631
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: you know, because it was the perfect bookend, Dan, because

632
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: the end of game scenario for Caleb Williams was a

633
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: hail Mary that was short of the end zone. So

634
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: we didn't get the tip like a month ago.

635
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: But you would have tackled at the two.

636
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: No. Right. But all of that to say is that

637
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 5: there were some rumblings that he'd actually gotten an extension

638
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 5: this offseason from now. Now. If that's true, then that

639
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: makes the in season firing even that much more shocking. So,

640
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: you know, the the joke I made about McCaskey giving

641
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 5: out his phone number to people at the tailgates or

642
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: something and then getting a bunch of calls about it

643
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: might might be true, Hey, this guy's gotta go. But

644
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: lack of accountability, all of that stuff, the Jalen Johnson

645
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: report that we had from from Jay Glazer on Fox

646
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 5: NFL Sunday, But all of it to say, you're a

647
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: mess right now. Your defense has played terribly. I mean,

648
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 5: I guess it was a good second half after getting

649
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: run all over. You could say, well, we only gave

650
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: up sixteen to the Lions and then only seven in

651
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Speaker 5: the second half, Like, well what happened in that first half?

652
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to forget how horribly both sides of the

653
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: ball played there. So yeah, the answer is I have

654
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 5: no idea what this Sunday looks like. But I certainly

655
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: have no confidence these guys will get it right when

656
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: it's all said in the long term.

657
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the the in the long term. I

658
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: just don't know who. I don't know if they're gonna

659
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: want to pay whoever the top candidate would be. I

660
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: just I don't I don't see them opening up the wallets.

661
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: Is going to be your guy unless it's an abject failure.

662
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: But do you think about the Cliff Kingsbury stuff because

663
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: his relationship to Caleb, you know.

664
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Speaker 3: I think that looks pretty on the surface. Ye, And

665
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: then I think when you go there and you talk

666
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: to them and they feel that you should take a

667
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: discount because you have a relationship with Caleb Williams, that

668
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: that would that that would then preclude you from not

669
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: taking the job.

670
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: I'd stay away from him if I was them. But

671
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: it's at least, you know, entertaining to think about, because

672
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, he did coach at USC when Caleb was there.

673
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

674
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Speaker 5: Mean, it's it's the kick the can to your point, Dan,

675
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: in this marketplace, I mean, how many openings are we

676
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 5: going to see? Right, You've already got New Orleans, you

677
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 5: might have New England, you might have Las.

678
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: Vegas, New York Jets, the Jets, the Giants.

679
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, you Jet, I think you'll love Jacksonville.

680
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 5: Jacksonville. I mean that that's that to me is a

681
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 5: if they fire Zach Taylor, you go hire Zach Taylor

682
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: as long as he promises to coach the first two

683
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: weeks of the season.

684
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor, like for some reason, Begos fans don't like

685
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: him as a head coach. And I mean, I just like,

686
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: you've got what you've got with Joe Burrow right now.

687
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: I just I don't know why you'd want to want

688
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: to split him up.

689
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: But I mean, defensively, they disappeared this year and it's

690
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 5: not his fault. Everybody got embroiled in contract crap.

691
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

692
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 5: And t Higgins we've talked about at a bunch. He's

693
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: missed giant swathes of the last couple of seasons. Contract

694
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: slash injury and if you can tell me all you

695
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: want injury, Like I generally I'm one to just say,

696
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: all right, if a guy's telling me he's hurt, I'm

697
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 5: gonna take give him the benefit of the doubt, except

698
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 5: when it gets that acrimonious. And you know, we could

699
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: do all the Hey, this injury normally takes this and

700
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 5: I get it. Guys have setbacks. What do you miss

701
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 5: five games? Yeah, five six games or five plus parts

702
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: of like some of it. Some you get to a

703
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: point of you know, teams and guys you know looking

704
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 5: out for number one and look, get your bag. I

705
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: get that, But it totally disrupts opportunities and it always

706
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: goes back to that same old equation of you never

707
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 5: know how how long that window really truly is. So

708
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 5: anybody that feels good when your team makes that one

709
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: run and fall short, no, you should be pissed off

710
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: because you may never see that again. Because things change

711
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: very rapidly in this league.

712
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes they do.

713
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: I will put a bow this by saying, yeah, you're

714
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: at three openings right now.

715
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: I thought yesterday it'd be three more.

716
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: And Jacksonville Giants and Dable and I think Mike McCarthy's

717
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: done in Dallas. Those are the three that I think

718
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: that will happen. So I think there will be six total. Now,

719
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: there could be more that we don't see. I just

720
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: don't I don't see. I don't see a change in

721
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: Indianapolis considering what we've seen with Anthony Richardson. As of late,

722
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: I think it would be a pretty quick move on

723
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: from Shane Steiken hasn't completely gone off the board, but

724
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: everywhere else I think is pretty set, you know, for

725
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody who's that awful that they're

726
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: moving off of anybody from one year. Maybe it would

727
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: be the Raiders, if you're like, hey, let's put you know,

728
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: our quarterback that we want to draft with a new

729
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: head coach. Maybe that, But I don't, I don't. I

730
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to see that. I think Antonio

731
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: Pierce is going to stick around for another year, but

732
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: we shall see.

733
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 5: As they continue to spiral. How much did Dionne Sanders

734
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: and Shoulder Sanders like that situation? Well, the Pierce is there,

735
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: I guess, is the question.

736
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not too sure, but it sure seems like

737
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: they're a match made, that's for sure.

738
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Speaker 5: Well she dour, you know, thanking the good Lord every

739
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: time the Raiders lose.

740
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Speaker 2: So yeah, there you go.

741
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Speaker 3: He's Mike Carman, I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy's the executive producer.

742
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 3: We got some waiver wire pickups and our report cards

743
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: next here, and I want your flex all right, report card,

744
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: tom it is, I want your flex. I'm Dan Byer,

745
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: He's Mike carmen Ian, Roddy's our executive producer.

746
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: I'm just going to start with myself. Guys, to look

747
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: back at.

748
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: Week thirteen, Survivor one, I felt was pretty easy, and

749
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: for me it was the Kansas City Chiefs.

750
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: That was an easy cake walk all the way through.

751
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: No I saved by the mishaps by the Raiders.

752
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: I just felt along the slate of games.

753
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: Probably didn't use the Chiefs and I didn't think they

754
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: would lose to the Raiders for the second straight year.

755
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 2: At Home.

756
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: Almost happened, but it didn't, so you were safe on

757
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: the survivor portion of this.

758
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 2: Completely wrong.

759
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: On the points of Palooza, I thought we'd get more

760
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: from the Chargers and Falcons if it was an interception palooza,

761
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: I would have been very good with Kirk Cousins four its,

762
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: but that wasn't the case. So I struck out on

763
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: that and cast no shadow on Ceedee Lamb and anything

764
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 3: but just three catches in that Thanksgiving Day win.

765
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Speaker 2: So struck out on that one. So one for three

766
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: on my report card, Mike, how'd you do this?

767
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 5: We we had some hits along the way. We talked

768
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: a little bit about the Josh Allen world, so you know,

769
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 5: top five on the quarterback board. He and Lamar Jackson

770
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 5: getting us to the Promised land there. Obviously, Jerry Judy

771
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: are big hit off the ninja list with his monster

772
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 5: game of his two thirty five. You know, you looked

773
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: over the last two weeks, he'd been at one hundred

774
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 5: and thirteen yards per games, Like, all right, let's roll

775
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 5: up the dice. Even against heretofore Denver Deep, I did

776
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: not expect what the hell we got there? That was insane,

777
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 5: but we'll take the victory and we'll move on. We

778
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: saw a little bit of success also when you're looking

779
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: at some of the cold soares. You know Stafford was

780
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 5: twenty first, Kyler Murray sixteenth, along the way, some hits

781
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 5: on the running back position, mixing and Saquon right there

782
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 5: creeping around the top five. Sometimes you got to take

783
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: your your chalk where you can. The missus Jalen Hurts

784
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 5: was fifteenth, Saquon Barkley doing his thing. Mahomes was eighteenth.

785
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 5: Going back to your your your game there, Dan that

786
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: you mentioned Baker getting hurt, we get a mulligin on

787
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 5: that one. But overall, I mean a pretty solid week.

788
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: You know, the quarterback position was a bit topsy turvy.

789
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 5: We had Jamis atop the board, Caleb in that second half.

790
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know what to expect, but you know, something

791
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 5: to watch and you know we've discussed it a little

792
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 5: bit on Sunday morning. You got some attrition on that

793
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 5: Detroit defense, be some opportunities to come down the stretch

794
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: as we look at what was a pretty fierce, you

795
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: know run up front that you'll find some love and

796
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 5: a guy we didn't really talk about much in terms of,

797
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 5: you know, running through the the the games.

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Speaker 2: Right.

799
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Speaker 5: We got our Jamar Chase. He does what Jamar Chase

800
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 5: does all of those things. But the Russell Wilson experiment

801
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh this week yielded some fantasy dividends that I

802
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 5: did not forecast at all, because well, I have no

803
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 5: faith in what they're doing in terms of balance, but

804
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 5: for fourteen, just crazy, even even in a plus spot,

805
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 5: it was still the are we going to see it?

806
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: And sure enough we did.

807
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: Sure enough, the hot plays cooking up, for one, if

808
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: you had Denver's defense or the Chargers defense, we don't

809
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: do team defenses, but they cashed in for sure.

810
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 2: Ian.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of defenses, how'd your stimming defense is due for

812
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: this week?

813
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: So came to you guys with two last week. It

814
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: was the Dallas Cowboys and the Los Angeles Rams. They

815
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: had two very very different performances, so we'll start with

816
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: the bad. So the Rams had one point, zero sacks,

817
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: zero fumble recovery, zero interception, zero touchdowns, only allowed fourteen points.

818
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: But so yeah, they ended up getting you one point.

819
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Probably didn't do much to help you there in your matchup,

820
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: but didn't hurt you either. Didn't lose your points. But

821
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 4: the Cowboys that was the big hit of the week.

822
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: They finished with eighteen fantasy points. They had six sacks,

823
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 4: of fumble recovery, an interception, a touchdown. They allowed twenty points,

824
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: but all that other stuff still managed to get you

825
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 4: eighteen points. So big day for the Dallas defense on Thanksgiving.

826
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: And the Rams did have a defensive touchdown, just got

827
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: called back because of penalty. So yeah, I think your

828
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: handicap wasn't that off.

829
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: I was happy for a sec but yeah, I called

830
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Speaker 4: it back.

831
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 5: Yeah every time, Every once in a while, the referees

832
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: will taketh away one of those big moments. One last

833
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: guy I wanted to circle back to because we've we've

834
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: had so many issues with the Houston offense and a

835
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: lot of hand ringing, is that Nico Collins still finds

836
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 5: a way as long as he is in the line up.

837
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: Another twenty point performance back to back in the two

838
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 5: full games where he's really restored. Obviously a sub ten

839
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 5: in the first game back, but overall just a fantastic

840
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: run for him. So even with the struggles we've seen

841
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 5: from Stroud in the offense, we had, I had him

842
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 5: as my top guy. Obviously didn't get there, but still

843
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: finished as a wr one. So I wanted to give

844
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 5: him a little love and then Mike Evans, even without

845
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: you know, Baker for a full game and we'll see

846
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: what happens. Right, he got cleted, but they have you

847
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 5: know what we're looking at for this coming week. You

848
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: know they're saying he's going to try to give it

849
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: a go. It is a game against Las Vegas. Can

850
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: he outrun Max Crosby? See how it's full circle. I

851
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: just wanted to get Max Crosby back in.

852
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you with Mike Evans, I for once,

853
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: I should give myself a little bit more credit. I

854
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: don't want to be that self deprecating. But when Carolina

855
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: scored on Tampa late in the game, they had used

856
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: a time out previously with thirty seconds thirty six seconds left,

857
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: they got to about the twenty five yard line, and

858
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: at that point I was telling Carry Rhodes as we

859
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 3: were hosting Red Zone Radio, that I would have taken

860
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: the timeout, and they had plenty of time in that

861
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: scenario to do what they needed to do. They called

862
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: the timeout, scored out of the timeout, so maybe the

863
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: timeout helped from that aspect, But he gave thirty seconds

864
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: to Baker Mayfield, who hit Mike Evans, you know, on

865
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: a play right out of you know, after the kickoff,

866
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: and yeah, added some bonus points. And then obviously they

867
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: ended in overtime with the with the with the field

868
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: goal by McLaughlin a short field goal, but yeah, Mike

869
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: Evans adding a few extra points. But I just for

870
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: as great as it was for Carolina, I just was like, no,

871
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: you left too much time. You got to you gotta

872
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: milk it a little bit more if you're if you're

873
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: a Carolina But hey, something we'll learn and we learned

874
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: that Bryce Young has four comeback victories in his career,

875
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: and we were pretty sure that that's the only victories

876
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: that he's had in his career because I'm like, there's

877
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: no way he's won more than five games. So there

878
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: was that could have been the fifth, but it ended

879
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: up being a loss for the Carolina Panthers, So so

880
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: be it. Well, we know you didn't win against the Raiders.

881
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: They won against the Saints, and then they won against

882
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: the Giants, So those are two wins. And gosh, they

883
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: didn't win much last year. Now what were they won

884
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: in fifteen or one in sixteen or two and fifteen

885
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: or something like that. So yeah, so all of the

886
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: wins were come from behind victories already.

887
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: Might give you some wins in the fantasy world down Yeah.

888
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he's maybe he's a waiver wire pickup for

889
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: this week. I about find out, Mike Carmon's got your

890
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: waiver wire pickups. They are in Philadelphia, so maybe not,

891
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: but let's find out who do you got to pick up?

892
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 5: Well, certainly not for this week, but overall, I mean

893
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 5: you're looking at down the stretch, You've got a decent

894
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 5: schedule to get you through. You got the Eagles, and

895
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 5: then you've got the Cardinals, which we've seen some hit

896
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 5: or miss performances from them, both offensively and defensively. You

897
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 5: can pass against that Tampa Bay secondary, we've seen that

898
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: a number of times. Yes, they're a plus team. And

899
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: then if you can evade Micah Parsons, we've seen teams

900
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: have some success against the Cowboys. So yeah, we can

901
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: look at Bryce Young as a potential option down the stretch,

902
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 5: a guy that I want to give you a dark horse.

903
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 5: We talked about it a little on the show Find

904
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 5: the podcast Smith and I Monday Night, but talking about

905
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 5: Captain Kirk with his recent struggles, that Michael Pennix Junior

906
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: might be, you know, warming up over on the sidelines

907
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: here soon enough, and they've got a pretty advantageous schedule

908
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: down the stretch. It's again depending on the depth of

909
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 5: your league in terms of bench lot all of those

910
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: kind of things. More the wing and a prayer and

911
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: and maybe a shot in the dark, especially as we

912
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 5: have the advent of more two QB leagues that suddenly

913
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 5: you know, he can come off the scrap heap. Atlanta

914
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 5: with the seventh easiest schedule remaining according to our good

915
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 5: friends at Tankathon. Uh so maybe an opportunity there. There's

916
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 5: your price shot at the position. Russell Wilson still unowned

917
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: in a ton of leagues. He's got Cleveland. Look you

918
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: can you can make some hay against them. Jamis we talked.

919
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 5: You know, he's on the other side of that matchup,

920
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 5: so not a great matchup, but again, you can watch

921
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 5: things open up. I am I declaring that he's gonna

922
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 5: put up a Joe Burrow like performance. No, but the

923
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: man has no conscience. Okay, he's gonna keep his sling

924
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 5: in the football. And they we talked about the run

925
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: game and the issues they're having.

926
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: Dan, So as long as interceptions aren't negative five in

927
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: your you know that's.

928
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: A good point.

929
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, check the waiting of things. Certainly opportunity and then

930
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: Will Levis has Jacksonville. If we're looking for a one

931
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 5: week by cop By apocalypse, can I spit that out

932
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 5: by apocalypse kind of option? Perhaps we get to that.

933
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: Uh the obvious guy at the running back position is Guorndo.

934
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 5: Next man up scored on Sunday night against the Bills.

935
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: Mason to the IR it's too bad. I really I

936
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 5: felt he got of got screwed by the return of

937
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey. It's like, just put McCaffrey out in the slot.

938
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: Let Mason be your running back. Sure, I know you

939
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 5: paid him, but whatever, or at.

940
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: Least ease Christian McCaffrey into to play. But no, they

941
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: went full board, full board.

942
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: So now both on the IR. Guarendo gets the opportunity.

943
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 5: How about Vidal? How are we pronouncing is Chargers guy? Yeah,

944
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 5: so we we've got injuries there, right, Dobbins obviously to

945
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 5: the i R.

946
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: I thought you're talking about Sasoon Vidal Sassoon.

947
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: That's the old ads from back in the day.

948
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think lustrous hair that we're also, uh, we're

949
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: all aspiring for. So there's a couple of options at

950
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 5: the running back position. Uh, Westbrook A. Keene is still

951
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 5: available in a ton of leagues. I'm not sure why.

952
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: I know.

953
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: Look, Will Levis has some of the worst highlights from

954
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: early in the year. The kid can sling it.

955
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: He's actually been good the last week or two.

956
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 5: Right, and this guy's been a touchdown machine.

957
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 3: I'm in a three wide receiver plus flex league and

958
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: I've got dk Metcalf, Cooper Cup Drake London and t

959
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: Higgins is my receivers, and I got Westbrook at Keene

960
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: on the bench, and I'm like, I think I got

961
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: to find a spot for this guy.

962
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: He's been magnificent.

963
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, the last six seven weeks, he's just been absurd.

964
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: Levis is cleaned up and that's the beauty of this

965
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 5: this NFL season, you know, to take the macro approach,

966
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 5: you know, going back to just put our NFL full

967
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 5: hats on. We just talked about Bryce Young, we just

968
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 5: talked about Will Levis. You referenced Anthony Richardson before three

969
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: guys everybody was ready to throw into the fire, and

970
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 5: all three of them showing some signs of growth, maybe

971
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 5: some tough love behind the scenes, whatever it is. Right,

972
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 5: Young obviously went to the bench, Levis had his issues

973
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 5: and missed a little time or whatever. But all of

974
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 5: it to say, these three guys, they got drafted where

975
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 5: they did for a reason.

976
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: It's almost like you shouldn't make definitive statements about guys.

977
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: You know, half a season shows today.

978
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: Damnity and how dare you look? Damn pragmatism.

979
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: Do you have any more waiver wire pickups? Do you

980
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: have anywhere waiver wire pick ups.

981
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: But I don't want to cut you off, Mike, but

982
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: I was going to insert some information there.

983
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 5: Let's keep throwing the ball with Elijah Moore and that

984
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 5: Cleveland offense. Again, I don't know how long Tilman's gonna

985
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 5: be out missed week thirteen, so we'll keep an eye

986
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 5: on that. But certainly, again, Jamis is gonna keep throwing

987
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: the football. Adam Feelin making some big plays in Carolina,

988
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: we like to Xavier Lagetti's still on the on the

989
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 5: list for you as well. How about Brandon Cooks with

990
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush as a little bit of a depth play

991
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 5: because we've seen that before and the tight end position.

992
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 5: Will Disley still the guy. I know you had a

993
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 5: muted outing from the Chargers this week, but potential for him,

994
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 5: and you're also looking now to the wire because Taysom

995
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 5: Hill's done for the year, right, so you lose him.

996
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough blow.

997
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were relying on him

998
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: at tight end and.

999
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: Getting the points that he could be getting.

1000
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: But that's a that's a tough one, and I think

1001
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: everybody was shocked that he's thirty five years old.

1002
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 5: It really came out of the woodwork for folks.

1003
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was drafted at like like twenty eight or something.

1004
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to say that as fact,

1005
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure he drafted.

1006
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 5: Draft did the show. So we had a stretch where

1007
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 5: we had a stringer. Do we have to explain what

1008
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: stringers are to you in Yeah, I'm okay. We had

1009
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 5: Taysom Hill on multiple times after Thursday night games and

1010
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: Monday night games, just randomly like, hey, we're at the game,

1011
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 5: do you want somebody? And they would always find Taysom

1012
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 5: Hill would always be apt, and we only had him

1013
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 5: on when he actually did something right of substance and

1014
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 5: it just seemed like it we hit the.

1015
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: Jack bottom of Hey, Mike, how's the family?

1016
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 5: That kind of thing.

1017
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you guys this as we wrap

1018
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: this up Late window and we'll have this on the

1019
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: Red Zone radio show. Because of the six teams on

1020
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: by and if you missed the teams that are on

1021
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: by Denver, Indianapolis, New England, the Commander's Ravens, and Texans.

1022
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: Three game window. What's the best game in the late window?

1023
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: Seattle at Arizona, Buffalo at the Rams of the Bears

1024
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 3: at Niners.

1025
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: I like, Seton, I have no idea what I'm getting

1026
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 5: from either of.

1027
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: You, and I was I was thinking that the same thing,

1028
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: and it's the Actually, the Fox is the marquee window.

1029
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: The two Fox games are the Bills.

1030
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: And Rams, and Bears and Niners are the one to

1031
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: twenty five Eastern or the four to twenty five Eastern

1032
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: time kicks Seattle and Arizona kicking at four or five

1033
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: Eastern time on CBS. And then I'm looking at the

1034
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: CBS schedule and I'm like, it may be a weekend

1035
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: where they just give Nansen Romo off because it's not

1036
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: their marquee weekend, and you're gonna be heading into a

1037
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: stretch run where you're doing a lot of games.

1038
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: But my gosh, I look.

1039
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: At CBS's schedule, and outside of Cleveland at Pittsburgh, which

1040
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: is basically only rivalry based, I'm like, man, I think

1041
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: you could have the number one team go to Arizona

1042
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: for that matchup for NFC West, you know, seniority if

1043
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: you will.

1044
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 5: How about that get in for Bill's Rams one hundred

1045
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 5: and twenty five bucks. I unfortunately will be well, fortunately

1046
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 5: I get to go watch my kid play some soccer.

1047
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: But would love to see Bill's Mafia in full effect

1048
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: around so far. Yeah, I think that would be an

1049
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 5: interesting little, uh social show job experiment.

1050
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: That season opener a couple of years ago. So yeah,

1051
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: they definitely did. All right, Well, that's it for this

1052
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 3: episode of I Want Your Flex. The Stretch run again.

1053
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: Hit Mike up at Swollen Dome or on Blue Sky

1054
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: at Mike Carmen. You can find me on Blue Sky

1055
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 3: at Dan Byer, and on X at Dan Byer, on

1056
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: Fox and Ian Roddy. Slowly but surely, at some point,

1057
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: I think by twenty twenty five.

1058
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 4: I will make my way to Blue Sky at some point.

1059
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Finding at on this score. All right, guys, there's a

1060
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: lot of fun. We'll do it again soon and then

1061
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: we always thank you for listening too. I Want Your

1062
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: Flex