1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? Everybody? John middlecop Three 2 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: and Out podcast, That's me. That's the show. Welcome subscribe. 3 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: You guys know the drill A lot going on. One 4 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: of the biggest NFL stories, I would say in recent memory, 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: John Gruden resigned his tenure with the Raiders comes to 6 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: an end before halftime of the Monday Night football game. 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: Full disclosure, I wasn't that locked in on the Monday 8 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Night football game. I was on so many phone calls, 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: so many text threads. Every time I look up, crazy 10 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: things were happening. Lamar Jackson is incredible, but the story 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: of the night is John Gruden. So we'll start with that. 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: Some thoughts on the Chargers, some thoughts on Dan Campbell, 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: some thoughts on the how Boys, uh Spencer Rattler in 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma situation. You guys know the drill at John 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Middlecoff is my Instagram. If you want to get in 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: the Middlecoff mail bag, would you do at the end 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: of the show, slide up into those d M s uh, 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: leave a review Apple iTunes, subscribe to the podcast if 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: you listen on Collins feed. I do an exclusive podcast 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: on the three Outfeed, So I need to subscribe to 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: that and UH leave a review if you could Apple 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: or iTunes. Well, we gotta start with Jon Gruden and 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: uh I go back to playmakers. The show that came 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: out on it UH at ESPN in two thousand three 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: would have been the Maybe it might have been OH four, 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: but it was my freshman year of college. I love 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: the show. I thought it was I thought it was awesome. 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: And the NFL hated it and they, basically because they 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: were partners with the ESPN, said it was two over 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: the top and they made a take it down. And 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: one thing we've learned from OH four till today October eleventh, 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm recording this is you can't write Hollywood scripts. You 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: can't write a potential thing to happen in the NFL 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: that would ever shock anyone. Always be ready for the unexpected. 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: It is the greatest reality television show in American history. 36 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: There is not a close second. Nothing holds a candle 37 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: to the craziness of the National Football League, not in 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: a million years. What I have thought a week ago 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: that John Gruden wouldn't be the head coach. Hell, even 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: when the emails came out against Maria Smith, he said 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: he regretted it. He was sorry. I thought it was 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: just over. It clearly wasn't, and Florio at Pro Football 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Top kept tweeting out that someone in the NFL was 44 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: coming for him. I texted someone with the Raiders they 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: thought someone was gonna in for him too, And if 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: you look at it, these were not My theory is this, 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: and in that article today and I had, you know, 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: I was watching the Monday night football game and I 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: get several texts, probably four or five from all sorts 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: of different people. Someone I worked with, a couple of friends, 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: another acquaintances, and they all forwarded me the article and 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: every single one of them. And some of these people 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: are Democrats, some of them are Republicans. They all think differently, 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: so it's not like they all think the same. Every 55 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: single one of them commented He's done, every single one 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: of them. And then of course I read it and 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: I go wow. But one of the first things in 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: there was he calls Roger Goodell a pussy. So my 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: theory is that Roger Goodell hated him. This could be wrong, 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: and Roger Goodell was coming after Gruden and had access 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: to all these emails because they're doing the uh, the 62 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: irony of John Grudy getting fired for an investigation in 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder and the football team is kind of comical, 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: but that's a reality. And Jon Gruden is done because 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: of this email scandal, but he didn't get fired in 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: my like calling Roger goodella pussy. He also they threw 67 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: in Obama and Biden. Don't think they didn't put that 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: in there on purpose, Like they know how to get 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: the media riled up. They know how to create the storm. 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: To me, it's the Michael Sam comment. Like the Michael 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Sam comment was like, yeah, that's I thought immediately once 72 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: I read that, like he's done. He's in major, major trouble. 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: And then he actor and he is, you know, the 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: first openly gay player on his team. Uh. And but 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Gruden had a huge kind of cloud 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: of question mark around him besides the before these emails. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: If he was on a normal contract, a five year contract, 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: we would have been talking about John Gruden being on 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: the hot seat right now. His team hasn't sniffed the 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: playoffs in several years, he traded away all of his 81 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: good players, and even now, like he starts three and 82 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: oh and then he loses two straight games, so it's like, 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: are they gonna make the playoffs again? Probably not. But 84 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: now Mark Davis like was somewhat just given a lifeline. 85 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: He has the ability to now get away from John Gruden, 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: which I don't know. I mean Mark Davis loved John Gruden, 87 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: or at least did. I'm not even talking before the emails. 88 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: I'm talking when he made the higher. He had begged 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: him to come back to the Raiders for years and 90 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: like eleven, and then again in fourteen and then again 91 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: in seventeen when he finally got him. But it's not 92 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: like John came back for the love of the game. 93 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: It cost him a hundred million dollars. So he was 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: stuck with this contract if it didn't go well, and 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: it didn't, I would have bet against the Raiders making 96 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, especially how they looked recently in 97 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Wasn't that good that Mark Davis was 98 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: stuck And now he kind of gets a reprieve. He's 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: in Vegas, he has a sweet news stadium, he has 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: some decent players on his team. It's an interesting town 101 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: for people that are gonna want to come. There's cheap 102 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: to live, it's got no state income tax, I think 103 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: his job when he hired John Gruden placed was toxic. 104 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: Then John Gruden, you know, kind of screwed it up 105 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: and wasn't doing that well. Now he kind of gets 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: a start over from scratch. They have all their picks, 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: they have a quarterback up, and they're gonna have you know, 108 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: from October eleven now until early January to kind of 109 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: separate themselves from from Gruden. But the reality is, like 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: this does like a lot of weird ship happens with 111 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders. Right before training camp started, they fired their president. 112 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Right that happened. That was like, WHOA, what's going on there? 113 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Reggie Mackenzie just fired out 114 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: of nowhere. They hired Mike Mayock. They consistently just do 115 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: some weird things. Now. I always thought highly a Mike Mayock. 116 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: I thought watched them on NFL Network like everyone else, 117 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: and like this guy would be a really good general manager. 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: And then he goes work for Gruden and their picks 119 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: are terrible. All their high draft picks, Cleveland Ferrell, Royal Bust, 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: can't even play, Damon Arnette, terrible, Alex Leatherwood. You know, 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: it's only five games, but they already had to move 122 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: his position, and it's constantly something football wise. So then 123 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: when this drama came, But it wasn't just drama. It 124 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: was being led by the NFL. This was leaked to 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal in the New York Times. This 126 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: did not go through Glazer, This did not go through Schefter, 127 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: This did not go through rap sheet. To me, this 128 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: was someone in the NFL. This is just my theory 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: wanted to get John Gruden, and they got him. Now 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: we can discuss cancel culture and is it right is 131 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: it wrong? The reality is, this is the way the 132 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: world works now in two thousand twenty one. When you 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: have emails, especially in a league that is trying to 134 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: really prove their image with the guy who what's his 135 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: equity with the leak. It's not like he's one of 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: their best coaches. It's not like he's some guy that's 137 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: beloved by everyone. Like if I was going to use 138 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: an example of another coach that's really like but that's 139 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: not even fair because they wouldn't do that. But John Gruden, 140 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: like to me, I even had this thought, and I'm 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: sure listen, I say all the time, I don't get 142 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: on my moral high horse. Because I would be I 143 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: would be lying if I said in my lifetime, I 144 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: haven't used these words, right. I grew up in the nineties. 145 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Vernacular has changed dramatically, and I'm sure I've been part 146 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: of email chains fifteen twenty years ago, you know, in 147 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: the mid two thousand's that would look really bad now, 148 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: But I would imagine in the last ten years. I'm 149 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: actually pretty confident that I wouldn't type those things in 150 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: an email to another colleague. Now, he was working at ESPN, 151 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: Bruce Allen was working at Washington, but he was pretty 152 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: He acted like an email was a text message. Now 153 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: you could argue, is it fair that they can go 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: back ten plus years different job. It doesn't matter. He's gone, 155 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: it's over, it's done. And I do think the birds 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: were already circling before this even happened. We were asking 157 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: questions constantly for those of us that like obviously I 158 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: live in the East Bay where the Raiders used to play. 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I know a lot of seasons they didn't like John Gruden. 160 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: They did now did the owner? I don't know. Has 161 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: Mark Davis has changed? Maybe he has because John hasn't 162 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: been getting it done and he's paying him a lot 163 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: of money, but he was really important to have a 164 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: rock star head coach to go to Vegas. But it 165 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: wasn't like it looked a little weird from a football standpoint. 166 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: And now you just wonder, like is the job good 167 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: because forever they could never get a decent coach and 168 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: they finally got John Gruden, but it cost him a 169 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Can they just get a Joe Brady, 170 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: a Brian day Ball for forty million dollars because in 171 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the past they never could. They could never get a 172 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: guy with options, and I think maybe this time around 173 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: they can get a guy with options. But like you know, 174 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: this is just I'm almost at a loss and am 175 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: someone that has takes and I always have opinions. It 176 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: was just one of those things. I was shell shocked. 177 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: And it's been a couple of hours since the story 178 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: broke that I'm recording this. I still don't really know 179 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: what to say. It is one of the craziest fucking 180 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: things I've ever seen. It really is, and I think 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna go down as just one of those moments 182 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: that you never forget. Like if you're a sports fan, 183 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: you do what we do. If you're listening to this, 184 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: It's just it was an all time wow moment. It 185 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: was so crazy that I honestly couldn't focus on the 186 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Monday ight football game. And every time I look up 187 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: and then I look at the Carson Wentz had his 188 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: best game. It looks like he's had in years. Lamar 189 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: Jackson is absolutely incredible. He threw for over four hundred 190 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: forty yards, game winning touchdowns run around. I saw John 191 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: Harbaugh just called it one of the best games he's 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: ever seen. Uh, just a remarkable performance. And I don't 193 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: even feel like I get to take it in because 194 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: I was just consumed with texting people and read about 195 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: John Gruden. John Gruden, and this speaks to the Raiders. 196 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: John Gruden was so much more famous like Urban Meyer, 197 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: than he was good at coaching. He wasn't good at coaching. 198 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: He was probably average, but his fame levels were like 199 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: he was like a rock star or a movie star. 200 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: He was just bigger than life. But as a coach, 201 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: he wasn't bigger than life. So they were in this 202 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: position where they had this guy who actually didn't deliver, 203 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: Like when you said his name, like John Gruden, everyone 204 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: knew who I was talking about. Everyone knew exactly who 205 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: John Gruden is. Yeah, when you watch him coach or 206 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: like there's something to be desired. It's not like he's 207 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Andy Reid or Sean McVeigh or Belichick or you know, 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: it's just like he's just average. And I think that's 209 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: the lesson that it's an all time hype train. No 210 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: one in my lifetime has ever had a better decade 211 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: long hype train. And they got to control it themselves 212 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: because he was the lead voice on Monday Night Football 213 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and he became this all time coach. You know what, 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: it turns out he was kind of shitty. He wasn't 215 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: that good, and he got a ton of money and 216 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: he profited off it. He made so much money since 217 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: leaving Tampa Bay, and he made a lot of Tampa Bay. 218 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: But the amount of ESPN paid him, and then even 219 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: the little amount, you know, thirty five or whatever million 220 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: dollars he made for his three years in five games 221 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: and he coached the Raiders. They're gonna be a million 222 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and I love a conspiracy theory all here, 223 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: every single one of them. And I'll believe him there 224 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: There is nothing about this story that I won't believe 225 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: or won't think it's possible, and maybe with time will 226 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: get the truth. Who has really had the VanDette against Scruton. 227 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to learn that, like we got it. We 228 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: need a detective on the scene here. But uh, but yeah, 229 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Jon Gruden's no longer the coach of the Raiders. Okay, 230 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: let me start with the Cowboys. And I've been pleasantly surprised, 231 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, I actually blown away by how good they 232 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: they've been. They've been fantastic and one thing, multiple things 233 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: jumped out to me. But I'll start here Trayvon Diggs, 234 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: who was kind of taken the league by storm as 235 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: a dB. It feels like he has twenty five interceptions. 236 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: They're calling him Dion Sanders Jr. And a little inside 237 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: scouting and I've talked about this before when you're in 238 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: draft meetings, and this actually happened high school recruiting as well. 239 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 1: If a guy's parent has played, If you're recruiting a 240 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: kid in high school and his parent was a Division 241 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: one player, and if you're in draft meetings and a 242 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: guy's dad was in the NFL, that was looked as 243 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: a positive. Now that doesn't mean the guy is gonna 244 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: be a great player. But it's just as simple as this. 245 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: If I worked at Wells Fargo and I wanted to 246 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: hire someone, and I said, hey, hey, Bill, I got 247 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: a guy. He's a twenty three year old from U C. 248 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: L A. His brother works at Goldman Sacks. You got 249 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a positive? Now, that doesn't actually tell 250 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: you if the guy is gonna be great at his 251 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: job or not good at his job, but it's a 252 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: pretty easy conversation starter. And Trevon Diggs, whose brother is 253 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, who is one of the better wide receivers 254 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: in the league. When that was being talked about in 255 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: the draft room, that was a positive. And obviously he's 256 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,359 Speaker 1: coming from Alabama, but I think he kind of represents 257 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys separating a little bit from the pack. I 258 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: threw on that game on Monday morning, and I'm watching 259 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: them against the Giants, and it's really stood out the 260 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: last several weeks. Their guys who were dominating are all 261 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: Blue Chippers offensively. Probably the worst school of all their 262 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: star players on offense would be Mississippi State. But when 263 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: you really break it down, Dan Mullen, who is now 264 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: at Florida had that program at one point in time. 265 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: Remember they were like a top five program first of 266 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: all a period of time, but they were consistently in 267 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: the top twenty five in the SEC in the tougher 268 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: part of the SEC on the west right, you play Alabama, 269 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: you play l s U than A and M came in. 270 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: You play Old Miss is a good team, so their quarterback, 271 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: but then you factor in their offensive skill guys. Zeke 272 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State Blue Chipper, Ceedee Lamb Oklahoma Blue Chipper, A 273 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Marie Cooper who was drafted for overall, who they traded 274 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: a first round pick four and then paid. It feels 275 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: like every game I watched Amari Cooper scores a touchdown 276 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: and and the crazy part about Amory you're like, god, 277 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I wish he was a little better, but he's still 278 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: damn good. So they got a Mark Cooper, Ceedee Lamb, 279 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, Ohio State. Those are like their core three 280 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: skill guys. Think how incredible that is With Dak Prescott 281 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: who listened. I was critical when they gave a ton 282 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: of money to not because I didn't think he was 283 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: worthy of being paid. I just thought at that price point, 284 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: like I would like to give a little bit less, 285 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: but he is playing at an extremely high level. You 286 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: cannot take away that Dak Prescott is probably, I don't know, 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: a top seven quarterback in the NFL right now. Does 288 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: he benefit from having sweet weapons? Of course he does. 289 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: But if you watched The Hard Knocks I only did 290 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: the first episode, you went well clearly, and they've always 291 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: preached this. His character, his leadership, he's clearly a high 292 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: level guy and he's just a big time player. And 293 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: their offense is elite right now, especially with Zeke who 294 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: is running the ball much better than he did last year. 295 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, who comes from I remember talking to a 296 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: scout probably within the last month, and we were talking 297 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: about the dude on the Eagles. I think his name's 298 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Glen Gainwell. Might be screwing up his name, but they 299 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: drafted him this year, I think in the fourth or 300 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: fifth round, and he opted out last season. He's from Memphis, 301 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: and Memphis has been producing these NFL running backs also. 302 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Pollard comes from there when Norvell was there. Who's now 303 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: at Florida State like Paula's legit. And then you look 304 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: at defense, well, Penn State under James Franklin recruits like Alabama, 305 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: l s U, Clemson, Ohio State right there, consistently a 306 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: top five recruiting class. Michael Parsons was so damn good 307 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: he opted out, did not play a snap in two 308 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: thousand twenty and still won eleven. Think of some of 309 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the guys that did that, Jim R. Chase, who was 310 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: freaking sweet by the way, Pine Swell who went seven. 311 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: So you had the fifth pick, the seventh pick, in 312 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: the eleventh pick, so like or maybe it was maybe uh, 313 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: Parsons was the twelfth pick. But you get my drift here. 314 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about the elite of the elite from the 315 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: big time programs, and then Diggs coming from Alabama, who 316 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: gave a pretty you know, I don't know if he 317 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: was emotional. I just saw the headlines, but he said 318 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: in his press conference that he went to Alabama as 319 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. You know, his brother, like I said, 320 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: is digs with the bills and he was crushed when 321 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: Nick Saban went to him. And this happens a lot 322 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: in college. Uh. You know, I think sometimes being in 323 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: the recruiting meetings, I remember you have these conversations, but 324 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: you truly don't know to you get a guy on 325 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: campus and maybe it happened way more twenty thirty years ago. 326 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: You're automatically gonna move guys. I think you have some ideas, 327 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: but when guy's eighteen years old, you just mess around 328 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: with them during the season because they're red shirting different positions, 329 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: different scrimmages, and see what they got. And ultimately Sabing 330 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: goes to Digs and go a We're gonna move you 331 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: to corner, and Digs was like, I'm crushed. And you 332 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: think about it, It's like Jerry Judy Rugs, I'm sure 333 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: Ridley was there at the time. Who else am I missing? 334 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Waddle Davante Smith. So just because you couldn't be a 335 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver at Alabama at the time is no reflection 336 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: that you were not a good player. And watching him 337 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: catch the ball, he had a couple of plays in 338 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: that Giants game that might as well have been interceptions. 339 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: He just dragged the foot or was out of bounds. 340 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: He's high pointing the balls. His ball skills look like 341 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: one of the Bamber guys at wide receiver. He is fantastic. 342 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: So their impact guys are all blue chippers from elite programs, 343 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: and they're all playing at a really high level and 344 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: they're kicking everyone's ass. I don't see how they don't 345 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: compete two for the one seed. I mean, they're probably 346 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: top to bottom. Obviously Aaron Rodgers a better player than Dak, 347 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: but their teams more talented. The Packers. Uh, we saw 348 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: them against Tampa straight up, but that's when Tampa was 349 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot more healthy. Now Tampa's gonna have the trump 350 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: card because they beat them straight up. 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And I think sometimes and listen, Brandon 410 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Staley went viral last week and he said something that 411 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't have agreed with more because I do think 412 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty one the analytical movement, everyone wants 413 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: to pass and pass and pass, and listen, I am 414 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: pro passing, but he he basically mentioned that the run 415 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: game and run the football establishes a physical culture as 416 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: a team. It does in practice. I always thought this 417 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: with the hard bought Niners, their go to play was power? 418 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: Will you run that? In practice? You just improve your 419 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: defense because you set a physical tone. That's what you 420 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: practice against. I think a lot of spread offenses just 421 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: the narrative is always they're really soft, And I think 422 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: a huge reason they're soft is because when you practice 423 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: against that every day, it's harder to get more physical. 424 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Look at Alabama's defenses since they have become more pass happy. 425 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: When they were run run, run, run pass a little 426 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: bit for the majority of Sabans tenure, they were a 427 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: dominant defense. And obviously the game changes you progress, but 428 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: there is a huge element of a carry over to 429 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: being a physical team and having a physical run game. 430 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: But to win in the NFL, especially in January or 431 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you have to pass the ball and 432 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: you have to make passes on third and five plus 433 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: right in big games. You in third and seven, third 434 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: and eight, third and eleven, and that's how you win. 435 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Patrick Mahomes won the Super 436 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: Bowl because he could make big passes. You watch all 437 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: these guys becoming stars, Herbert now, Josh Allen Lamar has 438 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: improved a lot of this. You have to be able 439 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: to pass in mustdowns. You also got to be able 440 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: to run. Well. You don't technically if you have Patrick Mahomes. 441 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: But most of these other teams you gotta run a 442 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: little bit, and I do think it helps the other 443 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: side of the ball because that's what they practice against 444 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and then they're ready for it when they see it 445 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: in the game. So you're watching the Chargers and Browns. 446 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about this. Quarterbacks do not play 447 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: each other, right, there never on the field. At the 448 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: same time, this isn't basketball. You can't guard like Justin 449 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Herbert can't guard Beggar Mayfield right Justin Herbert is not baseball. 450 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: You don't get to pitch against him. You guys you 451 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: never see each other. But as a consumer, as a viewer, 452 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: you were able to really feel the two guys on 453 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the field at the same time. It's why I think 454 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: we gave Josh Allen so much credit on Sunday Now 455 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: because you're watching him on the field, go back and 456 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 1: forth with Patrick Mahomes. You go, this guy's out playing him, 457 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: and listen, Baker Mayfield is better than I ever thought 458 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: he would be once he struggled in the NFL. I 459 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: really liked him coming out of college because I thought 460 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: he was b Drew Brees and it was clear as 461 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: personality is a little bit different of a mindset than 462 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, but then he got to fancy last year 463 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, he could be the best 464 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: version of the of himself in this offense. The problem 465 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: is is that when you play a guy like Herbert, 466 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: a guy like Josh Allen, a guy like Patrick Mahomes, 467 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: you get in positions where Nick Chubb is a star. 468 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: That guy is an elite player. It is. It is 469 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: so insane. And listen, it's easy to play Monday morning 470 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks with drafts four or five, six, seven, eight years later. 471 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: We've been doing it, you know, talking about sports for 472 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: the history of time, and we'll never stop doing it. 473 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: But in the history of our lives, they've never had 474 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: a redraft. Because if there was a redraft, Belichick took 475 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: his teammate Sony Michelle, who was now on the ramps. 476 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: I think he'd like to read you on that. And 477 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Seattle Seahawks took Rashad Penny over 478 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: him as well. That's a problem because Chub might be 479 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: the best running back in the league, or at least 480 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: right there, and their backup Kareem Hunt is fantastic. They 481 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: have the best one two running back combination in the 482 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: league and in this offense, that's really important because you 483 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: can hammer those guys. And Chubb had a hundred sixty 484 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: plus hunts, a touchdown maker. But yesterday Herbert, who threw 485 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: for four hund yards and four touchdowns, is he made 486 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: to me one of the plays like easily the play 487 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: of the day and just a remarkable play if you're 488 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: a lover of football. He rolled to his right late 489 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: in the game, I think it was under four minutes left, 490 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: hits Keenan Allen way up the sideline. Keenan Allen has 491 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: to leap for Herbert on the run, throws an absolute strike, 492 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: keeps his feet in bounds. The level of talent between 493 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: the two guys, because now that we're paying these guys, 494 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: like ultimately you have to give these guys big money 495 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: when they become free agents or they're gonna be their 496 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: contract is coming to an end, or you have to 497 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: move on. There's no like, you know, can we get 498 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: this guy for a discount. That's not possible. You saw 499 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: it with Dak Prescott, who is not Herbert, who is 500 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: not Josh Allen. He's in that next year. In terms 501 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: of talent, you know, ideally what I want to give 502 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: him forty three. I'd rather give him thirty one. But 503 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: that's not the way it works. I understand that. I'm 504 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: not naive or ignorant to the fact that that's just 505 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: the going, right, that's what you Pam. Well, Justin Herbert 506 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: is going to be one of those guys, right which, 507 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: whatever the number is, the salary cap will rise. I 508 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I'd have to text around to find out 509 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: in three years what that number would be. I think 510 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that number is gonna be astronomical. 511 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be fucking massive. That's not arguable. Like 512 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: the man on the moon can see that. My mom 513 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: can see that. You know, Bill Belichick can see that. Well, 514 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfields in contract like his conversations. What are you 515 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: going to do with him? And he's fine. You can 516 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: be very very competitive with him. You could win this 517 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: DIVI Asian with Baker Mayfield playing like he's playing. But 518 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: this is a business and you do eventually have to 519 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: pay him because you have to build around your team. 520 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know what you do with him because 521 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: I could not. You're not just gonna be able to 522 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: get him. Well, John just give him like a four 523 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: years eighty million dollars, you know, you know, yeah, I 524 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: would give him four years eighty million dollars, and I 525 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: guarantee every penny twenty million dollars a year. That's not 526 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna be possible, you know. And you saw in that game, 527 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: like one guy is in a completely different universe than 528 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: the other guy. You know, if you gave Justin Herbert 529 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb as well, the Charges would never lose a game. 530 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Baker's just handed off, hitting it off. He's 531 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: making three guys miss his busting tackles and he dumps 532 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: it off to Kareem Hunt. But when he has to, 533 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: he can't make passes. Now, it's all not all his fault. 534 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Odell Beckham. That's 535 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: a disaster. That's that trade has just been a train 536 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: wreck from the jump. Jervis Landry is hurt and he's 537 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: a huge safety blanket for Baker. Mayfield, the Joku, the 538 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: tight end who's really really to out it. Had a 539 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: really good game yesterday. Again, Baker is solid, Like you 540 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: could doing what you're doing with the Browns. You can hang, 541 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: but I don't know what you do financially, I could 542 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: not pay him one of these quote unquote Max Steels 543 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: could not do it, would not do it. So the 544 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: Browns are already in this little bit of a predicament 545 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: and never forget. You know. I saw a bunch of 546 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: people on social media as as the game was going 547 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: on Sunday calling it like the Analytical Bowl, and Brandon 548 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: Staley is very progressive with that, and I think part 549 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: of like, I actually think the numbers people are taking 550 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: a little too much credit for guys going on fourth down. 551 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: Like since I was seven years old, I was screaming 552 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: at the TV to go for it. You could go 553 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: to every single human that watches football, whether they have 554 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: a master's degree, a doctorate degree, or whether they are 555 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: high school dropout, they have been screaming at the television 556 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: on fourth and probably under five past the fifty yard 557 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: line for their coach to go for it. This is 558 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: not some new concept. Every human, including player. Think how 559 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: many times if you played high school football it would 560 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: be like fourth and one, like, coach, let's go for it. 561 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: That was a coaching issue, not like the only the 562 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: numbers and only the academic elites in these buildings not 563 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: to go for it. No, every human being that watch 564 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: football wanted their coach to go for and now both 565 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: these two teams are going forward. And I think everyone's 566 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: saying that the Chargers are just following the flow chart. No. 567 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: I think they realize they have one of the greatest 568 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks we've ever seen through like eighteen games or how 569 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: many games. I guess he played fifteen last year and 570 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: he's played five this year, so that's twenty games. I 571 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: don't know through twenty games. I didn't see Marino young, 572 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: I didn't see Elway. Young Brady was not this good. 573 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: Young Manning wasn't this good. Young Mahomes got a got 574 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: a year to red shirt, so I wouldn't even count him. 575 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: This could be the great if you started as a rookie. 576 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: The greatest first twenty games we've ever seen from a 577 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: quarterback in Justin Herbert. I don't think that's hyperbole. I 578 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: think the numbers speak for themselves, and the eye test 579 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: is mind blowing. His eye test to me, is better 580 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: than his box scores, and his box scores are freaking awesome. 581 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: It's it's really I said it on Monday's podcast. I 582 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: think Mahomes, Alan and uh and Herbert are three of 583 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: just the easiest guys to root for. They they're everything 584 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: the NFL wants from a character standpoint, from a likability standpoint. 585 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: They're always smiling, they're always having fun. Like you build 586 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: around guys like this. The NFL is in a good 587 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: spot with these two guys, these three guys, and the 588 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: problem for the Browns is their guy. While they did 589 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: draft him number one overall, it's just not on their level. 590 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: Another story that kind of went viral on Sunday Night 591 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: was Dan Campbell and listen Dan. When he was hired 592 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: and he gave his original press conference, it went you know, 593 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: it just blew up right because he said some crazy 594 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: things about biding kneecaps, and he's just this. He's him 595 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: and verybel biggest guys. He looks big, he looks kind 596 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: of crazy. He's got this goatee. He almost looks like 597 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: a w W E wrestler or something. He played in 598 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: the NFL. But I had said that, like, I remember 599 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: when the Niners were getting ready to play them week one. 600 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: I had been watching his press conferences for a couple 601 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: of weeks leading up to it, and I'm like, you know, 602 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I actually think this guy gets this rap of like 603 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: this huge meathead. And I've watched his press conferences and 604 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: I was blown away. I'm like, this guy is intelligent. 605 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: And then he looked like Sean Payton would have just 606 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: made him his assistant head coach just for ships and giggles, 607 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: like he made him his assistant head coach for a reason. 608 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the last whatever 609 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: three or four years that Patricia and Bob Quinn, the 610 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: two Patriot guys that took over that organization, the biggest 611 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: reason they failed is they felt like they were just 612 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: trying to copy Belichick. It was like a throwback. It 613 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: was like a Josh McDaniels Eric Mangini from like the 614 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: late two thousands. And I say it all the time, 615 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: and I think everyone who's had any success in anything, 616 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: but definitely in football, is you gotta be true to yourself. 617 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Whether you're hosting a podcast, whether you're a sales guy. 618 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: Don't try to act like someone else because eventually you're 619 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: gonna get exposed. Be be comfortable in your own skin. 620 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: And Dan Campbell yesterday is in tears after the game, 621 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: and the game wasn't on live for me, but I 622 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: was able to I was following because I bet on 623 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: it and I was following it up. It came on 624 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: the red zone channel and there was a fumble and 625 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: the Lions take the lead late and you're like, oh 626 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: my god, the Lions are gonna win the game. And 627 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: then the game disappeared for me, and then I think, 628 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: like the Niners came, game came on. I didn't see 629 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: what happened. And then I checked my phone probably five 630 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: minutes later, and it says the Vikings won the game. 631 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, how is that even humanly possible? And then 632 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: you see the at like halftime of those games. You 633 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: see the highlights. They have multiple time outs, they drove 634 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: thirty seven seconds and kick a long fifty five. They've 635 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: basically been lost two of the last three weeks, same 636 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: exact score, I think, nineteen to seventeen by two field 637 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: goals that add up to like a hundred and fifteen yards. 638 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: It's unheard of. And this guy, who I think gets 639 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: this kind of knock of being this meat head and 640 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: super tough guy just losts to get into backyard brawls, 641 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: is in tears, and I'm like, you know what, I 642 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are probably gonna make fun 643 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: of them, and that's what social media does, because that's, 644 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: let's face it, where a lot of losers go to 645 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: congregate and you know, rip on people and make fun 646 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: of people. Because I don't know why, there's probably some 647 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: psychology to that. It'll come out over the years as 648 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: all these social media companies battle through, uh, whatever the 649 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: hell they're going through. But I was blown away. I'm like, 650 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: that's I like this guy, and I've liked them for 651 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: a while, but I've watched this team pretty closely. They 652 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: are in every single game, and let's face it, usually 653 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: when you're gonna do a complete tear down, a complete rebuild, 654 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: the move is to trade whatever asset you have, right. 655 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson did it once upon a time with the 656 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: herschel Walker. A lot of coaches do that when they 657 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: come to a terrible team, any asset they have they traded. Ideally, 658 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: you have a couple. The Lions were so terrible. They 659 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: had one and it was their quarterback and they immediately 660 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: trade traded them. They do not have anyone else that 661 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: you like, could you trade this guy and get? Like 662 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: I said, they don't have any of those type guys. 663 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Their team is atrociously bad. In terms of talent, right, 664 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: we all agree they are. They have to be right 665 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: up there. They've already had a bunch of injuries too, 666 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: as the least talented team in the league. Yet every 667 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: single week this team comes out just throw and blows 668 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: and right in every game, even the game they got 669 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: blown out by by the Packers, weren't they up at halftime? 670 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: I mean they just they are really really impressive. And 671 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: I think Dan Campbell unlike Patricia and unlike Quinn. Remember 672 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: Patricia was telling reporters to like not sit up, to 673 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: sit up straight in press conferences, like, Bro, you look 674 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: like a slob. Who are you to tell anyone to 675 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: sit up straight? But that's it's kind of BELICHICKI And 676 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: even though I've never seen Belichick do that in a 677 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: press conference, it just felt like they were complete frauds 678 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: would be the wrong word, because to work for Belichick 679 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: for that long, you know what you're doing. But we're 680 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: not comfortable in their own skin, and we're just completely 681 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: over their heads. It does not feel like Dan Campbell's 682 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: over his head. Now. Ultimately, can they make good draft picks? 683 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: Can they build this thing and get a good enough 684 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: players that is yet to be determined. But I don't 685 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: see how you could watch Dan Campbell through these first 686 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: whatever five weeks of the season and what he's doing 687 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: there and not be impressed because they have no talent, 688 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: they have no controversy or anything. I mean, look at 689 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. I got a headline on my phone, I 690 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: think from the Athletic just updates when news breaks, and 691 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: when the Jags lost, this thing fires up on my phone. 692 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: They've lost twenty straight games the Jacks. I think it's 693 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot longest losing streak in the NFL since nineteen 694 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: seventy seven. And we just laugh at that franchise. It's 695 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: a complete joke. Now, the Lions, in fairness have also 696 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: been a laughing stock right now, though I don't view 697 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: them as a laughing stock. I view them with a 698 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: guy as a as a head coach that has a plan, 699 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 1: and it's also kind of being a human that that 700 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: was a very human reaction to. It's one to lose 701 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: to a sixty six yard field goal several weeks ago, 702 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: justin Tucker, I mean, that's gonna go down is one 703 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: of the greatest kicks of all time. It's one of 704 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: those that you almost as tip your hat is Justin Tucker. 705 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: He's probably a Hall of Fame kicker. What are you 706 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: gonna do? But then to be in that situation again 707 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: two weeks later, not quite as long on the road, 708 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: a divisional rival and their kicker always miss kicks. I 709 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: mean I watched the Vikings game against the Cardinals whatever, 710 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: that would have been weak too. The only reason the 711 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: Vikings lost that game because they missed the field goal, 712 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: they missed an extra point, they missed chip shots. Like 713 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: when I think of the Vikings, I think of kickers 714 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: that don't always make kicks. Yet against the Lions, who 715 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: just feels like the franchises cursed. And I thought Dan 716 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: Campbell gave a pretty powerful like that was just I 717 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: thought that was I felt like it came natural to 718 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: a guy that I think we view as this tough 719 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: guy fighter. And then on the flip side, I think 720 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: some times fans uh can get a little bit of 721 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: a bad rap. I understand players, you know, not quite 722 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: understanding where the money comes from, right you just you 723 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: start making huge money, it kind of all gets lost 724 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: in translation. You know, I've never been a professional athlete, 725 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: but if you're making seven, eight, twelve, twenty, some of 726 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: these NBA players, I don't think you quite realize where 727 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: all the money comes from. You just realize you're making 728 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: a ton and you're worthy of every penny. Because you 729 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: you base your worth on other players, you go want 730 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: better than that guy. I'm worth this. All the money 731 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: comes from literally every penny in pro sports from the fans. 732 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: The reason these media deals get paid for is because 733 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: people watch. If nobody watched, these would be glorified Y 734 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: m c A games, all these pro sports, they would 735 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: not exist, all the money, and it really makes me uncomfortable. 736 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: NBA players, uh, some of them, not not all of them, 737 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: can be you know, kind of content just toward the fans. 738 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: They've they've had a rough fan player kind of environment 739 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: for several years. For the most part. The NFL players, 740 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: I think are just much more relatable. And part of 741 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: it is because the overwhelming majority of them get cut 742 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: every year. Their money is not guaranteed. But I don't 743 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: think they still quite realize, like every penny comes from 744 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: the fans, and the most valuable fans now are the 745 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: ones sitting on the couch. But if you go and 746 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: pay for a ticket, you're also valuable. And sometimes like 747 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: when fans boo or get really loud. I think often 748 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: the media likes talking down upon them, right, like, what 749 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: are the fans know? And listen? I I've been guilty 750 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: probably of this before too, but I also acknowledge if 751 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: people didn't listen to this podcast, I would not make 752 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: a penny if I am dependent on the consumer, and 753 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: that's you listening. And the reason you listen is because 754 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: you watch these games and you're probably a sports fan, 755 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: right and without you, you wouldn't you add value when 756 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: you see these television ratings. Why they're such a big 757 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: deal is because that's what everyone bases the price of 758 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: the purchases of the media deals. Now obviously it's a 759 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: little more complicated than that, but all the money comes 760 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: because of you, every sponsorship deal, every media rights deal, 761 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: all of it. And a couple of weeks ago at Oklahoma, 762 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: when Spencer Rattler was planned terribly and he's been bad, 763 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: he's been he's one of the more hyper quarterbacks in 764 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: the country. He goes to Oklahoma, a program that had 765 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: had multiple number one overall picks and rehabilitated Jalen Hurts 766 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: to make him a second round pick and now a starter. 767 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: He just got a nice win against Carolina on the road, 768 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: a big win for the Eagles, and they were chanting, 769 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: we want Caleb. And I saw a lot of the 770 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: media elites shipping on these people, like how can you 771 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: do that? And I understand the players some of them 772 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: were like, you know, a little unfair. You cheer us 773 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: when we're good, you booist when we're bad. They were 774 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: strictly saying we want Caleb. There is probably not a 775 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: more educated fan base, especially if you're like Maya. If 776 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: you're forty right, you've been an adult for multiple decades, 777 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: from Bob Stoops now to Lincoln Riley, you know exactly exactly. 778 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: But hell, if you've just been watching this team the 779 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: last five or six years, you know what an NFL 780 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: quarterback looks like. You know what a quarterback who has 781 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: the ability to take you to the playoffs looks like. 782 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: You got a front row seat, You've seen every snap 783 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: from Baker to Kyler to Jalen. You know exactly what 784 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: it looks like. So when you see Spencer Rattler, regardless 785 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: of the Netflix special and what he act like in 786 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: high school, I think that's irrelevant. Truly, fans don't necessarily care. 787 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: It's been proven. People always like shut down the NFL 788 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: domestic violence, Well you don't turn off the TV, like 789 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe you hired this guy. He's been arrested 790 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: on four duise, Will you watch? If you didn't watch, 791 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: they would get rid of all these people. But it's 792 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: been proven over and over. The NFL knows, and even 793 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: college football knows that. Like they don't get on your 794 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: moral high horse, because ultimately fans do not care. It 795 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: sounds loud on social media. I can't believe. And obviously 796 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: I not even comparing Spencer Rattler to that. He just 797 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: on the Netflix special was you know, kind of doo 798 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: she But as a player, if he was awesome and 799 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: been another Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray, no one would 800 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: have cared. They would have cheered the living you know 801 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: what out of him. But he's terrible. I mean, he's 802 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: not very good at football, and Oklahoma fans cheering for 803 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: we want Caleb three or four weeks ago. Everyone in 804 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: the media is like, these guys, these fans are idiots. No, actually, 805 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: they're probably more educated about it than you because they 806 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: were right. And just because a coach does something doesn't 807 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: automatically make it right. Coaches, you can be an elite 808 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: coach Belichick, Lincoln Riley, I'm seeing it right now with 809 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and do dumb things and have a rough stretch. 810 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: You're not perfect. Jeff Bezos has probably made several deals 811 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: they lost. He's also made some great deals that made 812 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: him a lot of money. But for every Whole Foods 813 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: deal or NFL Thursday Night Football deal, he's probably made 814 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: some bad ones. We just talked about the good ones. Well, 815 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley stuck by Spencer Rattler for too long. He's 816 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: not very good. The fans knew it, and now we 817 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: know it because Caleb comes in in one of the greatest, 818 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: most entertaining Red River shootouts we've ever seen and saves 819 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: their season and was absolutely incredible. Now does that mean 820 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the next Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray. No, 821 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to sustain it. How you react with praise 822 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: no different and how you react through adversity. But in 823 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: that game and his talent, he's on a completely different level. 824 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: And I think this happens sometimes in college football. No 825 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: different than the draft. You're a five star, you're a 826 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: top two or three quarterback in the class. No different 827 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: being a top five pick or a first round pick 828 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,720 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. That does not guarantee that you're actually 829 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: going to be good. And sometimes you're just not good enough. 830 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: And I'm watched enough Spencer Rattler because the guy that 831 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: hired me at Frizzo State is now Lincoln Riley's like 832 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: right hand guy as a recruiter. So I watched basically 833 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: all their games. He's not any good, you know, relative 834 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: to NFL people. And I know he was projected to 835 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: be the number one pick. I don't I view an 836 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent. You know, he's talent enough to be 837 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: a sixer. I would not draft him. Viad a draft board. 838 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler would not be on it. I mean, he 839 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: can't even start his own program, and Lincoln Riley probably 840 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 1: should have benched him weeks ago. And I've heard other things, 841 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: but you know, until he goes pro or whatever, I'm 842 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: not gonna come out and say nothing too bad. But 843 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: you just I think sometimes and I think it's a 844 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: tough spot. And this is where I give save In 845 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: a lot of credit. When he had to h in 846 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: jalen Is, he was able to pivot because you can't 847 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: get so consumed, Well, is this guy gonna transfer? Who cares? 848 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: You have to go with the better player. And it's 849 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: tough because that wide receiver running back, a defensive line. 850 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: You can play a bunch of guys at quarterback, only 851 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: one guy gets to play, and once you get a 852 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,439 Speaker 1: really good one, that guy never comes out of the game. 853 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: So I understand, like you probably don't want him to transfer, 854 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: But like, I think it's safe to say that Spencer Rattlers, 855 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: like the Oklahoma fans nailed it. If the Oklahoma fans, 856 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 1: every single person at that game several weeks ago, the 857 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: chain of that and it felt like the whole building 858 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: was was a scout. They nailed it. They were dead on. 859 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: I mean that they were. They were ahead of the curve. 860 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: They knew what Lincoln Riley couldn't see. And let's face it, 861 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: sometimes you're too close to the fire, you're too emotional 862 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: to the situation where if you can take a couple 863 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: of steps back, which the fans kind of can, right, 864 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: they don't know anyone personally, Listen, I understand as a coach, 865 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: you get very emotionally connected to people. It's a people business, 866 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: so you are tied to individuals, you make promises, you 867 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: know their family, you have them over to your house. 868 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: I I get it, but it's also a bottom line 869 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: business about winning, and you have to be able to 870 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: balance the emotion of really liking the guy or being 871 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: tied to the guy or making these promises to doing 872 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: what's best for your football team and whether it was 873 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's never the wrong time to do the 874 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: right thing. And ultimately Lincoln Riley did the right thing 875 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: by bringing in this young five star who just who 876 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: saved their season. Okay, let's dive into the middle Cough 877 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: mail bag at John middlecoff is the Instagram handle, Type 878 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: it in, leave a d M and get your question 879 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,959 Speaker 1: answered here on the podcast. Okay from Ben, just listen 880 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: to your Seattle segment. Gotta ask, should USC called Pete 881 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: Carroll and see if he wants to bounce? Can you 882 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: imagine the fan base if he actually came back? Well, 883 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: this is an interesting question. I think it's kind of 884 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: twofold one. It would excite everybody, for sure. It would 885 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: be an enormous moment on social media in Los Angeles, 886 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: in the college in football, right if Pete were to 887 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: leave Seattle. On the other side. I'd say this. They 888 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: tried this several times. Now granted it wasn't Pete, but 889 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: they tried it with Lane. They tried it with Sark 890 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: and Pete. Carroll's seventy years old or going to be 891 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: seven years old. Like, it was an incredible run. It 892 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: was freaking awesome. As someone who was going to college 893 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: at cal Poly, my cousin who was playing at Friends 894 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: and State played him in one of the most epic 895 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: games ever Friendso State versus us See. I remember going 896 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: to a practice once I went to work at Fresno 897 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: State with Tim Skipper, of whose good buddies with Lane 898 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: and USC was so cool. I mean, they were they 899 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: were an NFL team. It's over. It's I think they 900 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: need to find their own coach, They need to find 901 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: their own identity. They have to find a way to 902 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: do that. Like eventually Alabama found Nick Saban after going 903 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: through some coaches, right, Clemson found Dabbo Ohio State Ryan Day, Like, 904 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: can you just find your own guy? It's USC you 905 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: should be able to win there. I also think sometimes 906 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: you you know, when you break up with somebody. I've 907 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: never had this happen, you know, I've seen some people 908 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: on Wikipedia. Like famous people who get a divorce and 909 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: then they remarry someone that feels like it probably is 910 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: not gonna work great. You'll never have that what you 911 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: to replicate what you had the first time. You know, 912 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: once you break up with someone, even if you stay friends, 913 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: even if you stay hooking up with them, it's not 914 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: quite the same as when you were in the relationship 915 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: with them and things were good, right, But for whatever 916 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: reason you brought Pete left you and Pete you know, listen, 917 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: we can argue it was stupid, the Reggie Bush stuff. 918 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 1: It was an overreaction, the n C double a bunch 919 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: of clowns, but it happened. He took off and the 920 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: program wasn't shambles kind of when he left. So I 921 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I would recommend just James Franklin, 922 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: Chris Peterson. You know, I'm just throwing out some names. 923 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, find find your Matt rule right, find your 924 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,800 Speaker 1: win Oregon found Chip Kelly, Like, do that your USC 925 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: Once upon a time you found Pete Carroll. Can you 926 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,399 Speaker 1: find an NFL coach who's available? I think you can 927 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: question for the pod. After watching the forty Niners play, 928 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: it's clear Shanahan does not trust Lance to make the 929 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: correct decisions. It feels like Lance ran the ball every 930 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,919 Speaker 1: other down and Kyle did not trust them in big 931 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: spots fourth down play calls. We're head scratchers, I would agree. 932 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: Do you think this could be Kyle showing the front 933 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: office impossible outside noises that Lance was not his first 934 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: choice at quarterback and sort of proving his bias towards 935 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: Mac Jones as a more start ready quarterback even though 936 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: he is struggling to ps. Put some respect on the 937 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: Nevada Wolfpack. They are rolling. I think they got an 938 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. They are good. They beat Boise. Uh, don't 939 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: sleep on Nevada. Trust me as someone who uh my 940 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: second year kaepern had killed us both years as at 941 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: Fressen State. My second year we went up there, they 942 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of us. They had three guys 943 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: that year, They had three guys run for a thousand 944 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: yards and they also beat Boise. So yeah, I mean, 945 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: I I respect the Nevada football program. Well, the latest 946 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: before I'm recording this, or as I'm recording this, Trey 947 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 1: Lance is injured sprained his knee. So just a disastrous, 948 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: disastrous situation. Him for the forty Niners. Uh, listen, he 949 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: needs a lot of work his loopie release. They need 950 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: to shorten that up. That's not gonna happen until the 951 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: off season, right. You know what, Once you're on the 952 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: golf course, you can't fix your swing. You're just playing. 953 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: So they gotta they got that's an offseason project. Hopefully 954 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna be okay and maybe he can make the 955 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: start in a couple of weeks. But his accuracy is 956 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: a little hit or miss. He needs to work on 957 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: some touch. But they need to not just run him. 958 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: They treated him like Cam Newton, and I I was 959 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: a little like, you know, listen, you gotta running quarterback. 960 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: You gotta run him a little bit. But they're running 961 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: him up the gut. He's getting guys falling on him 962 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: and now he's got a spraying knee. Kyle Shanahan is 963 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,919 Speaker 1: a really good coach. I've seen it firsthand. I've seen 964 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: every single play. Kyle Shanahan is called as the head 965 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: coach for the forty Niners. I know people in that organization. 966 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: He's an impressive guy. He's a big time football coach. 967 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: He is having a very, very rough two thousand and 968 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: eleven season. I don't know what it is. I can't 969 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: quantify it. I you know, I haven't asked anyone there, 970 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: not that they'd even tell me. But it's just weird. 971 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: It's just been a bizarre year for Kyle. Now. Could 972 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: there be some lingering he didn't want Tray Maybe I 973 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: don't know that, but I I never had inside scoop 974 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: on who he actually wanted. Do I think he liked 975 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: Mac Jones? Yes? Do I think he also liked Trey Lance? Yes? 976 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: I think Trey Lance is a very likable guy, high character, 977 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: well spoken, smart, beloved football like a lot of people 978 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: liked him. Remember one of the stories that came out 979 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: about draft time is the is uh what was it called? 980 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: Oh the Colts they had a draft show and if 981 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: you are a special like character guy, that you're magnet 982 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,359 Speaker 1: is a different color. And I think there were two 983 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: guys in the draft that had the different color. In 984 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,919 Speaker 1: the first round, it was Trey Lance, and I think 985 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: it was Davante Smith was the other guy. Like Trey Lance, 986 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: off the field is like everything you want and Kyle 987 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,840 Speaker 1: really values that. But he's a big work in progress 988 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: as a quarterback, a big work in progress and listen, 989 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: Kyle is a great schemer. Is he a great quarterback developer? Uh? 990 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: Who is really good quarterback developer? Well, I've seen Andy 991 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: do it. He did it with Donald mcnabby's done it 992 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: again with Patrick Mahomes. Bryan Dayball has done it with 993 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, right, Greg Greg Roman's done it with Kaepernick 994 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: and now Lamar Jackson. It's difficult, like not most guys 995 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: aren't quote unquote quarterback developers. Russell's ran through a bunch 996 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: of offensive coordinators. McCarthy. You know what would Aaron give 997 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: Hi McCarthy credit for himself? I don't know. I I 998 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: doubt it. Uh, Tom, you know John Charlie Weiss Belichick 999 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: obviously developed Tom to an all time great. You know, 1000 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,320 Speaker 1: Peyton was a self developed who developed Peyton Manning Peyton Manning. 1001 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just difficult. I I you know, as 1002 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: someone who is financially tied to the Niners, who wants 1003 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 1: to see them do well. The better they do better 1004 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: my business does, and my friends like, listen, I'm not 1005 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: the fan that I once was, but I I root 1006 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 1: for them to do well. It's off, it's really really off. 1007 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: I think them in Seattle like just some weird juju 1008 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: both places where the rams a lot of good juju, 1009 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: the cards a lot of good juju with the cards. 1010 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm Arizona hater Steve Kim. He's drafted. Listen. 1011 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: I have always defended Steve Kim, and I'm not gonna 1012 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: get my moral high horse about the d y, but 1013 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,919 Speaker 1: I do think in Arizona they have really really tight 1014 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,439 Speaker 1: d ideals that it's just you gotta be smarter there. 1015 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: So that was probably the one time I was the 1016 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: most critical of him. But he's been a good GM. 1017 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: He's drafted a ton of good players, He's signed a 1018 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: ton of good free agents. Like I think Steve Kim 1019 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing now, I question the Cliff Kings 1020 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,879 Speaker 1: very higher and who knows, like it could have also 1021 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: been the owner had a big influence and I don't 1022 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 1: know what his other options were. But it's playing out 1023 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean they're five and oh now Kyler 1024 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: in that game, and this is the concern, this is 1025 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: my number one concern with the little guy is when 1026 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: you are that small and you are a fantastic runner, 1027 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,919 Speaker 1: and Kyler, I would say, of all the runners I've 1028 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: ever seen in my in my adult life of watching football, 1029 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't quite I wasn't watching the same way I 1030 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 1: watched now like with Steve Young, but Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson, 1031 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, these guys were reckless runners in terms of 1032 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: their body right. They dive head first, they take a 1033 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: ton of collisions. Trey Lance was doing that too, Lamar 1034 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,839 Speaker 1: jack Or I'm not Lamar Jackson. Kyler Murray is like 1035 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,720 Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson. He just slides and it's a smooth slice 1036 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: up and he's down. He is very, very cautious. He 1037 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: does not really endanger when he runs. But in the 1038 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: pocket Boss has slammed him down. He looked like he 1039 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: messed up his arm. He's just getting slammed by these 1040 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: enormous human beings and it's hard when you have that 1041 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: body type that That would be my number one concerned 1042 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: with Kyler because in terms of arm strength, playmaking ability. 1043 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,760 Speaker 1: Dudes of stud Mike from Cincinnati, what up, Mike? Uh? 1044 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: After the past five games, how do you think Jalen 1045 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 1: hurt situation will play out? In Philadelphia? Eagles have potentially 1046 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,319 Speaker 1: three first round picks and and the rumors are the 1047 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is not interested in going to Philly, which 1048 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: is weird. I mean, if he was cleared, they got 1049 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: Davonte Smith, they got Jalen Reagor, they got multiple tight ends, 1050 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: they got a multiple running backs. Do you think the 1051 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: Eagles should just continue sticking with Hurts for the long 1052 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: term and build around him. I have not watched that game. 1053 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: I was reading Albert Brier's article this morning. At one 1054 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,839 Speaker 1: point in time in the game, Hurts was like ten 1055 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: for twelve for thirty five yards. I don't know what 1056 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: his final line ended up at. I know he ran 1057 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 1: for the touchdown. He did the Cam Newton thing because 1058 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald threw a bad pick. I didn 1059 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 1: see that part on the red zone. Yeah, I mean 1060 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna trade for Deshaun Watson until he's cleared, 1061 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like he's gonna be cleared anytime soon. 1062 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: So I I think they are prepared to play this 1063 00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: season out now big picture, like how he plays. You know, 1064 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: if they get to seven or eight wins, yeah, I 1065 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,439 Speaker 1: think they'll run it back and give him another season 1066 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 1: because he's cheap. You could use that money you're not 1067 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: paying a quarterback to invest other places. You can use 1068 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: those three first round picks to get better players and 1069 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,560 Speaker 1: be equipped maybe to get a guy if they ever 1070 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: become available, or I don't know. It's it's not easy 1071 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: to land a quarterback. You would say, most of the 1072 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: top quarterbacks who are under thirty, right, Derek Card, Deshaun Watson, Mahomes, Herbert, 1073 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: Alan Lamar. I guess you'd throw Baker in there. I mean, 1074 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: all these guys were drafted by their their teams, and 1075 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,760 Speaker 1: most of them were drafted really high. Now, Trey Lance, 1076 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson. So really, when you 1077 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 1: go around the NFL, who's the best quarterback who wasn't drafted? 1078 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: Probably Kirk Cousins and he you know, and he was. 1079 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: He was a unique situation, right franchised a couple of times. 1080 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: Russell was drafted, Rogers was drafted. I know Brady left, 1081 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: but he was forty three years old. Like most quarterbacks 1082 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: do not become of the lable in free agency. So 1083 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: the problem is, how do you acquire a quarterback. You 1084 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: either draft him or you don't get one. So that's 1085 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a great quarterback draft. I 1086 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799 Speaker 1: think they're kind of a weird spot. I don't know. 1087 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 1: I know, I'm not answering your question. I would just 1088 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: I think what they're doing is exactly what we're all seeing. 1089 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: They're taking a week by week be competitive, and they've 1090 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 1: been competitive. They have a lot of good players. Is 1091 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt, you know, gonna be on the team as 1092 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback for four or five years. I would 1093 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: doubt it. I would doubt it, but he's clearly way 1094 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,359 Speaker 1: better than I think that I ever imagine he'd be. 1095 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: He's been impressive that way. You always have strong opinions, 1096 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: but you have to admit you were wrong on the Cardinals. 1097 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,840 Speaker 1: You have been ripping them ever since I started listening 1098 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,240 Speaker 1: to you. You were dead wrong about Kingsbury. You didn't 1099 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 1: think he was an NFL had coach. You predict that 1100 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 1: the Cardinals would get off to a bad start and 1101 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: then fire Cliff. You also need to eat crow on 1102 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: your Steve kind takes. I've been but see I'm pro 1103 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 1: Steve come. You thought it was a bad operation, predicted 1104 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 1: a last place finished. I've never disputed they had talent, 1105 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: never have did I think Cliff was bad? I did? 1106 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: Am I wrong on that? Right now? I am? I 1107 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: am a long way to go, a lot of season 1108 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: left right, now wrong, Steve come good, GM drafted a 1109 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,959 Speaker 1: ton of good players. Never disputed that he did hire 1110 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes and Kingsbury. We'll see because I watched the 1111 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: Niners physically kind of punk them physicality. How do you 1112 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: how do you handle the air raid? You hit him 1113 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: right in the teeth, you take away their space. I 1114 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: heard Brandon Staley say this about Mahomes in the Chiefs 1115 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: because he called Steve Kerr and he asked, Steve Curry said, 1116 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: you play with Michael Jordan's you coach, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, 1117 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, what threw you guys off as a player 1118 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: and now as a coach? He said, when people weren't intimidated, 1119 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: and people were willing to punch the bully, and you 1120 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: know the air raid offense, they could throw up a 1121 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: tons of points, but when you get physical with him, 1122 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: it throws them off. Now, Kyler easily could have hit 1123 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 1: a couple other passes in the game, could have been 1124 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: a different score. But you know, I'm prepared to be wrong, 1125 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,920 Speaker 1: Like I I have no problem meeting Crow. I'm not 1126 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,560 Speaker 1: like I'm not in the right. You know, Coward said 1127 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: this forever and he's dead. I've learned this being in 1128 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: this space full time. I'm not in the right or 1129 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: wrong business. I'm in the entertaining business. I have to 1130 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: entertain you guys. If I don't, you guys won't listen, 1131 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: and I'll go out of business. Like whether I'm right 1132 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: or whether I'm wrong ultimately doesn't matter. Now, do you 1133 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 1: want to be right more often? So build your credibility? 1134 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: I guess, But I I never say anything. I hang 1135 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: my hat on anything I say. I truly believe I. 1136 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm not Skip Bayless, I'm not stephen A. Smith. I 1137 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't just like Lebron sucks or this like I 1138 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: you know that I said I didn't believe Cliff Kingsbury 1139 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: was a good NFL coach because I truly believe that. 1140 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: And I fundamentally do not like the offense. I fundamentally 1141 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: don't full candid, honest opinion. I hate the offense. I 1142 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: love a lot of their talent, Ron Dale, Moore, Stud Hopkins, 1143 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: Bowler J. J. Watts still playing well, Chandler Jones, Star 1144 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, one of my favorite dbs in the league. 1145 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: Like their their team looks awesome. They are five and 1146 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: oh now it's like, are they get they better not 1147 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 1: miss the playoffs? Uh? Some of the cross your show 1148 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: and love it and love to see a Fresno State 1149 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: guy doing well. You keep jumping on Urban Meyers being 1150 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 1: a really bad NFL coach but still in elite college 1151 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: coach because he doesn't look like he knows what he's 1152 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,400 Speaker 1: doing this year. But Jimmy was pretty stinking bad his 1153 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: first year in the NFL. What separates Jimmy from Meyer 1154 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,919 Speaker 1: in the first year Cowboys fan, not a Jags fan, 1155 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: but just curious. Well, I was born in so when 1156 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy got the job in like nine, I was six 1157 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: years old. So to be completely honest, I don't I 1158 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,960 Speaker 1: can't really break it down what Jimmy what made him 1159 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 1: so special? Now I've watched the thirty for thirties, I've 1160 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: obviously watched different documentaries about Jimmy. I think Jimmy was 1161 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of a unique person. He was just an all time, 1162 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, outlier coach, right, I mean, he he could 1163 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: do it everywhere. He did at Oklahoma State, he did 1164 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: in Miami, he did the Cowboys. He even had some 1165 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: success with the Dolphins. You know his first move though, right, 1166 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't he make a huge trade and get a bunch 1167 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,440 Speaker 1: of picks back and then drafted really well, drafted really 1168 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 1: really well. So you know, I don't know if the 1169 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: person the money was a lot different. Uh, the egos 1170 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 1: probably similar. I mean, you had to have a big 1171 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,440 Speaker 1: ego back in the nineties, you do in two thousand 1172 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: twenty one. But you know, maybe it was a little 1173 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 1: bit easier to make the transition in it would be 1174 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand one. Uh, but ultimate Lee, Jimmy hit 1175 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: on a lot of really good players, right, he got 1176 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: drafted Troy Aikman, drafted him at Smith, then he drafted 1177 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Michael Irvin, and then they traded for Charles Haley, Ken Norton, 1178 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Judy Like their team was really good. They signed I 1179 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: guess when they signed Dion he was gone. But he 1180 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: was a really good coach. The other thing about Jimmy Johnson, 1181 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: think about this, Okay, here's a major difference. Jimmy Johnson's 1182 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: coaching staff in the NFL had Norv Turner was his 1183 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, one of the truly great offensive coordinators in 1184 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: NFL history. Now is a good head coach. No, but 1185 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: as Norv Turner a fantastic offensive coordinator. We all agree. Yes, 1186 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,439 Speaker 1: Dave Wants said, I think was his Special team's coach 1187 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 1: and assistant head coach. Dave Wants aid, I mean was 1188 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 1: an NFL head coach, was a college aid coach over 1189 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:51,560 Speaker 1: his assistants. Look at some I mean Bevil, Charlie Strong, 1190 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 1: the duty went naked through the tacle bells his defensive coordinator. 1191 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: So you could just one thing I can speak on 1192 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: is the coaching staff for Jimmy Johnson was in a 1193 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,960 Speaker 1: different world then Urban Meyer. If Urban Meyer had a 1194 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: good coaching staff, I think he'd be okay. If you 1195 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: told the Urban Meyer had you know, like a Lafleur, 1196 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, a good defensive court, Vic Fangio as a 1197 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, John Fossil's kid as his you know, special 1198 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 1: team's coach, I'd be like, yeah, you know, he'll figure 1199 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 1: it out. But I think you just look at his 1200 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff, it's pretty questionable. Can you explain that the 1201 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Paths just have injured or shitty of an old line 1202 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: or if it's Mac Jones being either too scared or confused. 1203 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:39,920 Speaker 1: If not, anyways, love the content. Uh, I think it's 1204 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,680 Speaker 1: pretty simple and I didn't watch just on the red 1205 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: zone bits and pieces of that game against the Texans, 1206 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: and it was listen, you're down two nine on the road. 1207 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,680 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a Texan's come back and win. 1208 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: That's a good win. Road wins. You don't get credit, 1209 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 1: no style points. You just want to win. I think 1210 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,920 Speaker 1: I tweeted this out on Sunday when it looked like 1211 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,439 Speaker 1: they were gonna lose that if mac Jones had played 1212 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,240 Speaker 1: at Iowa State, or mac Jones had played at Oklahoma State, 1213 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: or mac Jones had played at Michigan State, he would 1214 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: have gone where guys of his talent have always gone, 1215 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,040 Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round. And people will be like, 1216 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: middle cough, you're such a hater. Now most of you 1217 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: will probably agree, but that is not being a hater. 1218 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Getting drafted in the third or fourth round as an 1219 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback is an incredible accomplishment. That is something to 1220 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,439 Speaker 1: be proud of. There should. There are only thirty two 1221 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: guys every year draft in the first round, and most 1222 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: of them have elite attributes. Hell even the second round. 1223 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Look recently, the DK Metcalfs, the A. J. Browns, Deebo Samuels, 1224 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Nick Chubbs Ton of start. Bobby Wagner's I mean all 1225 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,240 Speaker 1: these got good players go in the second round. There 1226 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: is nothing Shady McCoy and Sean Jackson star players go 1227 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,440 Speaker 1: in the second round. Like if you go in the 1228 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,120 Speaker 1: third or fourth round, I think we go. Oh, guy 1229 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,160 Speaker 1: went in the fourth round. That's you got draft in 1230 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: the fourth round of the end to the NFL. That's 1231 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,919 Speaker 1: really really impressive. He's not very big. He has an 1232 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: average arm at best, Like his skill set is not conducive. 1233 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: Guys with that skill set don't get drafted in the 1234 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,480 Speaker 1: first round, let alone fifteenth overall. So he played out 1235 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,960 Speaker 1: of school. Think about this his college teammates. He had 1236 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: four wide receivers, and I love this. He played with 1237 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: four first round picks. I actually think that does a 1238 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: disservice to how good his teammates were. They weren't four 1239 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,400 Speaker 1: first round picks. They were the tenth overall picked Davante Smith, 1240 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: they were the sixth overall pick Jalen Waddle, they were 1241 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 1: the overall picked Jerry Judy, and they were the twelfth 1242 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: overall pick in Henry Ruggs. So up the wide receivers, 1243 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: he played with not one guy in two separate drafts 1244 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,360 Speaker 1: lasted past the pick. Two guys went tenth in the 1245 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: top ten, ten and six. Just what do I say 1246 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: top ten? Does that include ten? But that's think about that. 1247 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Four wide receivers. The lowest one guy was drafted was fifteen. 1248 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 1: His running back in a passing league where running backs 1249 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,720 Speaker 1: don't really go in the first round anymore, went He 1250 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: had an offensive center, Landon Dickerson, who tore his a 1251 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:20,320 Speaker 1: c L and got drafted thirty seven. And he's good. 1252 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if he didn't tear his a c L, 1253 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: he would have gone the top twenty. Alex Leatherwood, who 1254 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 1: has already been moved to guard but I mean starter, 1255 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: a guard and tackle at Alabama, was the seventeenth overall pick, 1256 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,880 Speaker 1: so he played with multiple first round Dickerson's the first 1257 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,160 Speaker 1: round offensive lineman toward a c L. WI goes thirty seven, 1258 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: multiple first round offensive lineman, a first round running back, 1259 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: four top fifteen wide receivers. It's the greatest accumulation of 1260 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: offensive talent on one team we've ever seen. And Metchi. 1261 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 1: The dude who's still on the team is uh, I'm 1262 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: sure a first round pick. The running back that got 1263 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: baller so what's you know, he benefited unlike anything we've 1264 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,439 Speaker 1: ever seen. You know, back in the day, the Ken 1265 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Dorsey's of the world, they got dinged because of the 1266 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,280 Speaker 1: team they were playing on. Now he got inflated. And 1267 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's bad, He's fine. He's Kirk Cousins. 1268 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins went in the fourth round. So you know 1269 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,920 Speaker 1: their wide receivers aren't great. Uh, you know it's not. 1270 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm not blaming it all on him, but he's a 1271 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: limited player. His physical capabilities are you know, there's a 1272 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,240 Speaker 1: ceiling on it. He can only become so good because 1273 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: he lacks physical attributes, which most humans do. But when 1274 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 1: we talk about you in terms of the draft, that's 1275 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: how we define where you go. I say it all 1276 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 1: the time. The draft is a marketplace, and your your character, 1277 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,040 Speaker 1: your physical attributes, your your times, your production, it all 1278 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,960 Speaker 1: gets factored into the price of what I have to 1279 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: pay to acquire you. And I think you know, he 1280 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 1: was a million dollar home that somehow got a four 1281 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: million dollar valuation. I never understood it. Why I'd go, well, 1282 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,520 Speaker 1: I'd pay a million dollars for that home. Be well, 1283 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: it's four million dollars and my take was simply, well, 1284 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't want the house for four million dollars. I 1285 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: would not take it. If I could pay a million 1286 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: dollars for it, I will take the house. But if 1287 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna pay four million dollars, godspeed. And if Kyle 1288 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: would have taken him, it would have been like buying 1289 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: a nine million to pay a nine million dollars for 1290 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: a million dollar house. People think I'm a mac Jones hater, 1291 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,120 Speaker 1: and I'm honestly not. I I root for the kid. 1292 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, middlecoff mail back ad Jile, Middle Coffee. 1293 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: You guys know the Drill podcast. Next one will be 1294 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: out on Friday. Uh, tell your friends have a great week. 1295 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Enjoy However, the weather is kind of chilly where I'm 1296 01:07:48,800 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: at today, and talk to everybody soon. Peace and the 1297 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:14,400 Speaker 1: volume