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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Favor Production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Anne Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we

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Speaker 1: have an interview for you from Hawaii with with one

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Speaker 1: tailor Kellerman. Yes, and he is the director of Diversified

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Speaker 1: Agriculture and Lands Tourship at Kuilo a Ranch in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: In Yes, Yes, And my phone just did the terrible

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Speaker 1: courtesy of reminding me that we were in Hawaii a

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Speaker 1: year ago. Yeah, it's it's a it's a year ago

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Speaker 1: this month. Um. Yeah. The first the first reminders of

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Speaker 1: that that I got were just so strange because they came,

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Speaker 1: you know, on day like whatever of me not showering

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Speaker 1: in my house right during quarantine. Um and uh so right,

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Speaker 1: what a what a heck? Indifference a year mix? I know? Um.

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Speaker 1: And I've gotten some advice to to look at old

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Speaker 1: pictures if you if you can't leave, and you're getting

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Speaker 1: kind of like, I've got to do something right right

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Speaker 1: right um. And a lot of them are from Hawaii

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them are from Coolo a Ranch

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Speaker 1: because we did take a lot while we're there, because

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Speaker 1: as we said in um, the episode where we heavily

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Speaker 1: featured Taylor. It was one of the most beautiful scenic

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Speaker 1: interviews we've ever done. Yeah, that was just a so

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Speaker 1: so so COOLO. A ranch. Um is this large property

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Speaker 1: out on a wah who that that is is used

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Speaker 1: for I mean, and we go into this in the interview,

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Speaker 1: but um, but there's a bunch of agriculture there, and

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Speaker 1: they also have a bunch of tours because it's been

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Speaker 1: used in the film industry to film a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of different things, like, for example, one scene in Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh. And so in addition to the interview,

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Speaker 1: Annie and I went back um during our off time

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Speaker 1: because we took off time weird and uh took one

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Speaker 1: of those film tours and oh the location is just

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Speaker 1: ludicrously gorgeous, just these tall green mountains and all of

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Speaker 1: these flowers and trees and plants, and you know, during

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Speaker 1: the middle of this interview, like like I keep getting

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Speaker 1: distracted because a it's just beautiful, but be like some

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Speaker 1: some of their cows were wandering through and like rustling

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Speaker 1: around in the bushes like velociraptors. Yeah, and it's uh

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Speaker 1: and and I hope that some of the soundscape winds

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Speaker 1: up coming through for y'all because it was so gorgeous. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember after the interview was over, Taylor showed us

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Speaker 1: because he, if I'm remember correctly, he was near there

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Speaker 1: as well, and he showed us the picture of he

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Speaker 1: sees every morning when he wakes up, and it was

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Speaker 1: just like beautiful green mountains and water and valleys. And

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Speaker 1: I felt both so happy and just in all that

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Speaker 1: someone lives there and gets to see that every day,

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Speaker 1: and furious because it is so stunning. Yeum, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah we did. We did the film tour and I

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Speaker 1: another thing they filmed there is Godzilla, which a regular

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Speaker 1: listeners will know I bring up on every occasion that

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Speaker 1: I can. And I watched that a few nights ago

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Speaker 1: on Netflix because yes it is on Netflix. Um, and

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Speaker 1: they had the big Godzilla footprint is still there, right,

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Speaker 1: yeah they did. Oh I'll okay if I if I

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Speaker 1: remember too, I'll try to post some some of our

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Speaker 1: photographs from from that on social. Um. I've been I've

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Speaker 1: been remiss in posting to social because there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on in current events with with Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: and with coronavirus that I honestly haven't felt like adding

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Speaker 1: a bunch of messages from a couple of white girls

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Speaker 1: about a food show has really been part of the

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Speaker 1: necessary conversation that's happening. Um. But but gosh, they are

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Speaker 1: beautiful photos and um and Taylor and everyone who ran

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Speaker 1: into a cool Oa were really amazing people. UM. And

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Speaker 1: they're they're also um, they're they're starting to open back

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Speaker 1: up right now, aren't they. Yes, Yes, as of now,

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Speaker 1: which the date is as we record this June. Very

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Speaker 1: impressive myself. Um, yes, as of today, they are starting

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Speaker 1: to reopen. Um. Some things are opening earlier than others.

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Speaker 1: But you have to prove that you've been quarantined for

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Speaker 1: fourteen days, which is good. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you are there and are interested, check out their website.

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Speaker 1: All the details are there. But yeah, they're starting to

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Speaker 1: you reopened some things. It's it's if you have a

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Speaker 1: chance to get out to Waho and you furthermore have

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Speaker 1: a chance to get to Coolo a ranch, I absolutely

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Speaker 1: recommend visiting. Oh absolutely, they They are not a sponsor

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Speaker 1: in any way. That's just me saying that. Just yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, while you wait for that wonderful day,

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Speaker 1: we hope you enjoy this lovely interview. We like to

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Speaker 1: start these things off with just a nice, simple Hi.

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Speaker 1: Who are you? My name is Taylor Kellerman and I

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Speaker 1: am the director of Diversified Agriculture and Land Storage for

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Speaker 1: Coolo Ranch, Hawaii. Um, and that that's a neat little

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Speaker 1: package of a title. But but your job encompasses quite

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Speaker 1: a lot around here, doesn't it. Yes, So when you

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Speaker 1: look at basically what my responsibilities entail, we have quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of properties. We were talking about around four

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Speaker 1: thousand acres, so I am in charge of everything that's fun,

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Speaker 1: interesting and beautiful. So um, everything from all of our aquaculture,

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Speaker 1: livestock and agriculture operations, also our land stroodship and conservation,

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Speaker 1: and then landscaping and sustainability. So my umbrella kind of

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Speaker 1: covers everything that would involve resource management and anything to

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Speaker 1: do with how we do it, but heavily focused on agriculture.

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Speaker 1: Have you always You've been in a little bit of

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Speaker 1: research and development for a while. What was that also

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Speaker 1: having to do with agriculate Have you always been in agriculture? Yes, yep.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I graduated from the University of Hawaii on

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Speaker 1: the Big Island with a degree in tropical agriculture. So

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Speaker 1: I worked in the pineapple industry for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I worked in vegetables and greenhouse hydroponic production for a

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Speaker 1: long time, research and development with genetics for quite a while,

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Speaker 1: and then um, I started working here about four years ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: how did you know that you wanted to? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this field? You know? It was funny because honestly, I

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Speaker 1: always had a garden as a kid, but I grew

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Speaker 1: up as a surfer kid and a surfer town right

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Speaker 1: So it was really more of a I need to

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Speaker 1: find something I want to do. What am I interested in?

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Speaker 1: While I like growing plants, And then once I got

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Speaker 1: I had kids very young, five or six ten year

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Speaker 1: old old, you know, not agree with that it. How

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Speaker 1: have you been doing a lot of learning on the job,

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Speaker 1: teaching yourself on the job here. You know, the thing

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Speaker 1: about this place that's been really unique is that I've

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Speaker 1: always come from a situation where production value was key.

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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, let's take the resources we have and

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Speaker 1: see as much sustenance and food as we can produce.

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Speaker 1: Whereas here our economic model is as such that we're

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Speaker 1: duly supported by a diverse fight economy with events, um, tours, movies,

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Speaker 1: allows us to do is not only do the agriculture

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Speaker 1: seeing it not only for the value of what it

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Speaker 1: the most interesting experience in UM, it's i wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: more important, but just as And then also, UM, what's

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Speaker 1: able to figure out all of that that's probably been

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Speaker 1: the first time you've been working with amis it is? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So when I applied for um this job, it was

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Speaker 1: funny because you know, they sit down and you have

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Speaker 1: you have agriculture experience, yes, because I was worked in

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Speaker 1: How about cattle? No, it is I but I am

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Speaker 1: willing to learn. And what's interesting is that I have

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Speaker 1: always considered myself that, you know, oh that's cool, but

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Speaker 1: my son, who's ten, is now, I mean, that's what

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Speaker 1: you know, when you kind of see it through those unabashed,

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Speaker 1: I to suggest it at some point, Yeah, this this,

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Speaker 1: which is more like opinionated the plants are the animals

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Speaker 1: it's the quickest one you can screw up. Agriculture is

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Speaker 1: to a degree, will still defend that type of agriculture

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Speaker 1: simply because there's so few of us who produce food

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Speaker 1: other UM disciplines I've seen. But what's really opened my

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Speaker 1: I think when now I go through the grocery store

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Speaker 1: my wife, you really embrace and have perception of what

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Speaker 1: because the whole legalized rob milk movement. Yeah, we have

427
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: something called legalized pai, which is a type of food

428
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: that you make with your hands that same exactly. So

429
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: it's just an ironic bumper sticker. My whole life is

430
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: an ironic bumper stare. Um, are there are there any

431
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: specific weird I mean, we we've talked a little bit

432
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: about about some of them already. But but but are there

433
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: any specific food industry agriculture weirdnesses around around legal issues

434
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: in in Oahu or Hawaii? You know. I think the

435
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: main thing is the food safety. Um. You know, it

436
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: comes from a good place, and it's meant to be

437
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: a good thing to have a uniform system of food

438
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: safety regulation and processing and in packaging. However, being that

439
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: it does impact the smaller people, um, it's going to

440
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: be getting all of those small producers up to speed

441
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: in an already kind of hectic economic environment and now

442
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: it's like and you've got to put this in, you know.

443
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: So it's kind of one of those things. But luckily

444
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: there's been a en of people who have taken upon

445
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: themselves to create nonprofits around teaching and implementing systems for

446
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: the smaller farmers, even if it's kind of like more

447
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: of an aggregator function in the sense of, Okay, we'll

448
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: take your products and then we'll do the post harvest

449
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: because we have a facility that meets physmic standards and

450
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So that's that's I think

451
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: really the only thing that's based around that. Everything else

452
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: I think is just I think we're we're we have

453
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: a lot of support around local food movement, just as yes,

454
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys do as well. You know, there's

455
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: a there's a good system of people that will pay

456
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: a little bit more like I always think of America

457
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: is funny in the sense that as soon as there

458
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: is money to be made, it will rise to the surface.

459
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's enough people who care about

460
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: where the food comes from and care about what um

461
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: goes into it that now all of the big guys

462
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of jumped on that bandwagon, which sure it's for

463
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: commercial reasons, but who cares. It's it's really in the end,

464
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: what's gonna what's going to kind of help out the

465
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: little guys? So yeah, like we'll take it, yeah exactly.

466
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Um what what what? What is it like being part

467
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: of the community around here? You know, we're not very

468
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: big and so um like, I'm I'm fairly certain I

469
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: probably would know everybody you guys interviewed. Yeah, right, yeah,

470
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: And you know the neat part is is that you

471
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: guys did the show in North Carolina, right, Nashville show. Okay,

472
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: So I actually equate us with North Carolina a lot

473
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: because they have tobacco, we had sugar and pineapple. So

474
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: you have these huge, huge infrastructures and tracts of land

475
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: that or monocraft for a hundred and fifteen years and

476
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: then they just left. And so now we're left with

477
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people who maybe want to be food producers,

478
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: but number one, either they don't have the experience or

479
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: it's just getting that model functioning. And unfortunately in North Carolina,

480
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: the things that I've looked into is a lot of

481
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: the tobacco money, the litigation money was used to kind

482
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: of create infrastructure around that, and we didn't necessarily have

483
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: that injection of funds, but we have had a lot

484
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: of support through some of the younger you know, our

485
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: our our government slowly changing in the sense that the

486
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: age group is changing. And I feel like once you

487
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: start having representatives and council members who have that same

488
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of age group mindset as um as twenty year olds,

489
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: and then then then things start to change. So I

490
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I think that that's going to be key, and I

491
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: definitely feel like it's it's it's moving. We also are

492
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: all so small. I think we all realize unless we're collective,

493
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: So I'm really fortunate to sit on a a nonprofit

494
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: on the board, as the president called the Agriculture Leadership

495
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Foundation of Hawaii a l f H just and we

496
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: do a leadership program every sixteen months that's supposed to

497
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: create leaders within the industry. And then we also put

498
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: on an EGG conference every two years. And there used

499
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: to be a lot of siloing of the groups. Um

500
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: like if you guys run into another states like I'm

501
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: more organic than you are, like really weird, like you know,

502
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: like battles between and it's just this oddest thing in

503
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: my opinion. But anyways, we we had a little bit

504
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: of that, like you know, the Holy Farmers Universus, the

505
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: Farm Bureau and all that kind of stuff. That's definitely

506
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: been broken down incredibly in the last few years because

507
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: I think everybody's realized, holy craft, we need to we

508
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: need to work together or else this isn't gonna happen.

509
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: So that's been really cool. Yeah about that. That is

510
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: that is awesome. Um uh for human nature winning out

511
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: over that other thing. Um yeah. No, we were talking

512
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: to to Senator Cruz yesterday. Donovan's awesome. Yeah, yeah, And

513
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: he's a good example of somebody who's doing the aggregator

514
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: over in Whittemore, you know, and he's he's he's kind

515
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: of driving his crew of homies, you know. He's got

516
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: a good crew of younger guys, and and he's he's

517
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: clearly looking out for Central Law because that's his district,

518
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: you know. But he's the Whitmore project he's doing with

519
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: a d C is a very good example of helping

520
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: small producers get through the whole safety regulations. Right, yeah, yeah,

521
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: he was talking with him. It seems really cool. How

522
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: have you how have you seen the island changed since

523
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: since you grew up here? So funny question I could.

524
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna restrain restrain myself. Um first and foremost, I

525
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: want to preempt anything I say with the fact that

526
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: I am a supporter of everybody and anyone who wants

527
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: to be positive in this world, because I really have

528
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: seen how people how hating has gotten really popular. So

529
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I always trying to say I'm not a hater. This

530
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: is my observation. Tourism in the military of the biggest

531
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: economic charge of this island. Tourism is changing, and that

532
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: has changed the entire dynamic of this island because tourists

533
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: no longer want to sit at the pool. And I

534
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: think that's true with everywhere. V v R, O, UM

535
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and particularly Airbnb have changed in the sense that I

536
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: want the authentic experience, and when you want an authentic experience,

537
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: you are now going to be sharing or competing for

538
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: resources of residential communities, which is fine, but it's changed.

539
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: And um that has changed the Sybum the most by

540
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: far because you now have that coinciding with being able

541
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: to drop points. The landscape of the island is now

542
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: shared the way that it didn't used to be, which

543
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: is okay, but it's definitely just changed things. I mean,

544
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: that's how I leave it. I wouldn't say bad or good,

545
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: but all of our infrastructure, values and all of our

546
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: systems to support tourism haven't caught up yet. So it's

547
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: created a little bit of issue in that sense. So

548
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: but um that coupled with the fact that all of

549
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: our plantation agriculture has gone and UM, so you you

550
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: you really just have kind of a changing landscape altogether.

551
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: But I think it's true for everywhere. I don't think

552
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: it's really unique. Yeah, I think I think everywhere we've

553
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: been anyway, just the you know, cell phone like smartphone

554
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: era uh, and and all of those uh disruptor businesses

555
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: have just caused Like I think in the long term

556
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be okay, But right now it's like

557
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: that part of a traffic jam where everyone is just

558
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of like, what is happening? I think it's going

559
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: to work out. And it's funny, you know, because and

560
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: I made that preventing conversation because it drives me crazy

561
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: when I when I hear people, oh, you know, they're

562
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: they're in my town and all this sort of stuff,

563
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there, I'm going, you know, I'm pretty

564
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: sure your dad moved from California. Why can't they come here?

565
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: You know, used to say that you're we call it

566
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the last man in syndrome, you know where it's just

567
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: so ironic because why shouldn't everybody be able to come

568
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: into its place? Right? It's beautiful? Why Why are you?

569
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Why are you part of this lead group? I don't

570
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: get it. Um, So it's just doing it correctly, and

571
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: like you said, I think it's just it's a little

572
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: confusing right now. Social media has also created a way

573
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: to have those haters have a collective words, which has

574
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: been interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but again, I don't. I'm

575
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: not negative towards it, but I am looking forward to

576
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: when it settles out, which it will, I know it will.

577
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you happen do you happen to know

578
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: anything about the history of ranching in Hawaii a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, so, um,

579
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: it's actually incredibly ingrained in our history because you know,

580
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: the first cattle were brought to Hawaii by Captain George

581
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Vancouver and late seventeen hundreds as a gift to you know,

582
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: one of our first monarchs that you know, was able

583
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: to get everybody together, so comm the first and they

584
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: actually put a kapu or like a taboo I guess

585
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: is a like English word on it, and they were

586
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: let to roam free. And then, you know, fifty years later,

587
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the impact of the environment was

588
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: quite clear. So they brought in um Spanish backados, which

589
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: was mispronounced and what eventually became paniolo, which is the

590
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: term for Hawaiian cowboy, to teach Hawaiian's how to handle

591
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: cattle and horsemen, horsemanship and things like that. And by

592
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds, Hawaiians had become so adept at

593
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: it and so good at it that they were going

594
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: to Wyoming, and there's stories of Mr Purdy going to

595
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: the Wyoming Rodeo in nineteen o six and winning the

596
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know. So there's a huge history behind it,

597
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: and you know, ranching has become part of the landscape.

598
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: And so I am very fortunate to be a part

599
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: of something that's been going on for a couple hundred

600
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: years now. And it's something that I think that you

601
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about preserving open space, Honestly, ranching in

602
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: Hawaii is more prevalent in that sense of the word

603
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: than agriculture these days, you know, and I don't not

604
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: that ranching is not a regular land egg. It's still

605
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: very alive and well most of the ranches, you know,

606
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the ranches these days are getting back

607
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: into finishing animals here. It used to all be you know,

608
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: be for the state, and then economics made it as

609
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: such that most of the operations became kew caps and

610
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: we would send all our caps to the main lass.

611
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: That's still pretty prevalent a lot of areas big on

612
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: in but um it's definitely started to shift back into

613
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: a more local production. So can I ask, can I

614
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: ask what you you and your family eight when you

615
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: were growing up, what we wanted to eat, but what

616
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: we did eat. You know, it's funny. So as I'm

617
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: sure you've heard from a lot of people, you know,

618
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: our culture and our cuisine is very based on multi

619
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: ethnic um scenarios brought on by plantation labor. There's a

620
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: lot of nicer, more prolific ways to say it, but

621
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: it's just we had you know, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Portuguese, Caucasian, Hawaiian,

622
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, all of that kind of thing. So we

623
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: probably eat rice with every other meal. You know, that's

624
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: one thing. And like my kids blows their mind to

625
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: go to the mainland and not have um chili served

626
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: with rice when you get the crackers, they're like, what

627
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: the hell is it? But we, you know, we we

628
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: ate a lot of things that I think someone from

629
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: the mainland would find normal and a lot of things

630
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: that would seem more um Asian influence and a lot

631
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: of my dad was wearing raised here UM and my

632
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: grandfather moved here in so my dad's very heavy into

633
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: um harvesting things from the ocean. So we had a

634
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: lot of you know, things that we caught growing up,

635
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, foods expensive here. So having two brothers,

636
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: you you find those dishes that you proteins usually this much,

637
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: your rice is this much, and you have a little

638
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: bit of vegetable. But I definitely can say I'm raising

639
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: my kids a little differently when it goes back to

640
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: one of your questions earlier, So because I think a

641
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of what we ate was also

642
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: just I just feel like health is a little more

643
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: of a concern these days. You know, amount of preservatives

644
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: and things like that. Oh yeah, oh it seems like

645
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: you guys have I mean again it's expensive but wide

646
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: wide bounty. Yeah, yeah, lovely things. Um, what do you

647
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: have like an average day? What does your like schedule?

648
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: So I get to work at four or thirty in

649
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: the morning, Um, and that is because I can do

650
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: emails and silence. Um. How I do have an office

651
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: down here, we're right kind of by where we met,

652
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: and then I have a total of about forty seven

653
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: people that work for me. And then luckily I have

654
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: some strong managers you know in between that kind of

655
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: oversee each department. However, Um, we're really short people right now.

656
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: So if you know what everybody wants to work in

657
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: a cool place. So right now I'm managing to those departments.

658
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: So right around seven I will go and head out

659
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: and and in all honesty, a lot of it just

660
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: has to do with the two areas that I'm short managers.

661
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: I I go and I meet the crews there and

662
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: make sure they have their daily activities. One is our

663
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: livestock department and one is one of our agriculture departments.

664
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: A big part of what I do is drive around.

665
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: And I know that kind of seems stereotypical, but there's

666
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: a real reason for it, which is, anytime you work

667
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: in a place that's this large, and any time you

668
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: work in a thing that's this diverse, you're typically pretty focused.

669
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: And that's good. But I have to be the person

670
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: that not only sees the whole picture, but also has

671
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the context of everything, you know, because not that I

672
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: mean I am no difference in intelligence than anybody I

673
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: work with. How Ever, I'm just a little more informed

674
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: on the bigger pictures simply because of the executive meanings

675
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: I attend the fact that I report directly to the

676
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: owner that you know what I mean. It's that kind

677
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: of thing. So a lot of it is um inspecting

678
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: what I expect, resetting expectations, and then helping guide vision

679
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and then helping produce resources. A lot of the people

680
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: I work with are younger and um newer to the

681
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: farming and agriculture scene, and a lot of the problems

682
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: they're running into I ran into like seven twenty four

683
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: times before, just because you know what I mean. So

684
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: you just kind of identifying and working with them and

685
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: offering advice and stuff like that. But I I end

686
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: working around four formally, and then I pick up my

687
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: two sons and then we go back and we I

688
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: usually save fun stuff, like right now, um, one of

689
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: the sites I'm managing. In fact, we're doing this right

690
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: after this. We gotta go cut bananas, harvest bananas for

691
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: some of our deliveries tomorrow and for the as papaya

692
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: turn on some irrigation. So save the fun stuff for

693
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: the kids. Well, I'm very lucky, and my kids really

694
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: loved this lifestyle, so they're super into it. And then

695
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: ends around six and then starts all over again. But

696
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: it's fun. You do it because you enjoy it. So yeah,

697
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: sustainability of the State of Hawaii, it's a very relative term,

698
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: and I try to get that all right, I'm going

699
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: on in you you you hear it spoken about within

700
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: people outside of the industry as a very definitive, black

701
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: and white thing. We will never be able to sustain

702
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: the population of this island. We will always need importance.

703
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: The more we can move that needle, we're succeeding. There

704
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: will never be an endgame. There will never be a

705
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: point where we are sustaining ourselves. And our imports are

706
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: just the things that you know can't be produced. And

707
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I think the thought process behind that is um feudal.

708
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: And the thing that worries me once in a while

709
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: is is I think politically they they it makes such

710
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: a good story that the drive is on this way

711
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, and I just really wish it

712
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: was a little more of a realistic term because even

713
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: the governor put for something that you know, increasing Yeah,

714
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not it's not going to happen,

715
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: you know. But but the kind of thing that I

716
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: think comes down to is um is you've got to

717
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: have goals. If you don't have goals, you can you know,

718
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: move forward. I think that that's kind of where we

719
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: come into play, that we are essentially in what could

720
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: be considered a food desert. I know that's ironic, but

721
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: when you think of the closest grocery store, that way

722
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: is twenty minutes. Same for this way in Hay that's

723
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: a long drive, right long drive. So we do have

724
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: a small retail outlet here that we sell things out

725
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: of that you know, seems kind of rinky dink, but

726
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: the amount of stuff we run through there is huge,

727
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: and I think it's just people in the neighborhood. So

728
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: the more we can do that type of thing where

729
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: we're supplementing and we're giving people options, that's the real goal.

730
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I think. You know, um, when it comes to the mentoring,

731
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I was a big brother for a long time, so

732
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: this is a big brother shirt and I always look

733
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: at it as that's where a big part of the

734
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: BAG Leadership program comes into play, because we have a

735
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: lot of people who want to get into farming that

736
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: don't have farming backgrounds, and I love it and I

737
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: encourage it, and I think it's amazing. And one of

738
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: the first things that they struggle with is the realism

739
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: of it, because I think you really need to talk

740
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: to people and work with people and get them involved

741
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: in do you want to do you love farming or

742
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: do you love the idea of farming? Because it's two

743
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: very different things, and um, I think that you can,

744
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: through good mentorship, transition one into the other, Whereas if

745
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: you just throw somebody out and let them hang, they're

746
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: gonna probably give up pretty quickly, you know. But it's

747
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: hard because I'm also considered, I think, kind of a

748
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: hard ass a little bit simply because um, I've been

749
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: around long enough now to where it's my job to

750
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: set expectations and if we're not being met, then we

751
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: discuss them and then reset them and give every opportunity

752
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean. It's like, we're not

753
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: there to come down on people. You're there to make

754
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: sure people know what they're supposed to do, and if

755
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: they can't do it, then you coach them and that

756
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But I don't know, maybe I'm just

757
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: getting older. That guy I've been told I'm really good

758
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: to work for if you like to work, which I

759
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if that's a compliment or

760
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but yeah, yeah, but mentoring is

761
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: really really important. I had some incredible mentors when I

762
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: was younger, and they made all the difference in the world.

763
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: And like you know, you know, we all have those

764
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: moments that you can recall in early adulthood where you're

765
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: those concepts clicked for you, whatever it is, you know,

766
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: like those times you're like, oh, I totally am going

767
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: to process that and keep it going. UM. Most of

768
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: those came from my mentors, not my parents, you know.

769
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: So mhm, We've got a little bit more of this

770
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: interview for you, but first we've got one more quick

771
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back.

772
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, and back to the interview. What can

773
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: consumers um and you know, up to an including like

774
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: like restaurateurs UM, due to help people like you don't

775
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: come with a list. I think that's the best thing.

776
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's even true for restauranteurs is and

777
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: and you know, as a restaurant here, I can see

778
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: why this is a difficult ask. So I completely appreciate

779
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: how it's a difficult to ask. But a producer, even

780
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: when is diverses us is never going to have everything

781
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: you want if you've already made your menu before you

782
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: contact us. So the ideas worked the other way around. UM,

783
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it's the same with consumers. Don't come with

784
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: a list, see what you have. You know, I know

785
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: I've heard stories of c s A is being a

786
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: difficult for people because they just don't know what to

787
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: do with the stuff. So it's up to us as

788
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: producers to help with that. Also, you know, some people

789
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: put their Rescipe cards in and things like that. So, um,

790
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like the initiative and the desire is already

791
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: there to work with local producers. Um. I feel like

792
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: when it is more difficult and sometimes the challenges, people

793
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: just kind of go on. You know, I'll go because

794
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: it's so much easier to just go to wholesaler because

795
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: you just say, I want ten points of this five

796
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: points that boom comes to your door. Everything, But local

797
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: producers you gotta go to this guy, and then you

798
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: gotta go this guy. This guy doesn't have it, so

799
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: you gotta go this guy. Recipes gotta change. You know,

800
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: it's more difficult, but if you can find value in

801
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: it in your restaurant, economically will work out. But as

802
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: far as the home consumer goes, I think, just like

803
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: I said, be be open. Yeah, yeah, so right now

804
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm really I like chocolate and coffee. Can you tell

805
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it? They're pretty good things

806
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: to The chocolate thing is really cool because chocolate so

807
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: so when you think about value in in product, right,

808
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: you can either grow something no one else can grow.

809
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: You can grow it in a region or a geography

810
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: that you can claim to NAPA. You know, whatever um

811
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: or you can in um value adds something, right. So

812
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, we we you know, we don't really have

813
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: a lot that you could really say is specific to Hawaii.

814
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: You have Coola onions, Jula sweet Maia onions, and you

815
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: have Corner coffee. Those are two very good examples. Chocolate

816
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: is the next one because people really really like it

817
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: because there is some sort of um. The industry is

818
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: really taken to where it's a brand industry that's just

819
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: going craft direction. So it's kind of neat. There's no

820
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: intent to be a commodity chocolate. So it's been it's

821
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: been really interesting. You guys remove how to make chocolate. Okay,

822
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: so the fermentation processes, I'm I'm still learning, but I'm

823
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: the main fermentor for us and we're doing about five

824
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: to six thousand bars a year, so we're not tiny,

825
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: but we're definitely not big in the least sense, but

826
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: we really want to start looking at um seeing if

827
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: we can take it all the way to the end

828
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: as far as the being to bar portion, and then, uh,

829
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: I just I'm really excited about learning new things that

830
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd learned before, because we're now looking

831
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: into trying some agriforestry, which is something I never thought

832
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: i'd be into. But you know, kind of looking at

833
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: areas of land that may not be that are actually

834
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: kind of like this, and do we you know, figure

835
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: out ways where we can put a bunch up in

836
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: there and do the story in the canopy and that

837
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I think the most exciting thing

838
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: I have going right now is that I just hired

839
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: on two new people, which is super fun because there

840
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: are new managers and their new people that like are

841
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: are on the younger side, super hungry, and I have

842
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: like the coolest locations that they get to manage and

843
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: all these cool projects, and so I get super peeked

844
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: up on like starting off with somebody who's really just

845
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, and then within a year

846
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: or two they're cranking. To me, that's so cool, and

847
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: you know that with that being said, you also have

848
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: to be open to letting him go, you know, Dove.

849
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: So those are really kind of the main things I

850
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: think that I'm pretty excited about. And our piggery is

851
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: pretty new, so that's really fun. Yeah, we got to

852
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Speaker 1: talk with them. Dylan butter Ball, so he makes alive

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Speaker 1: us chocolate right now. Dylan is awesome. Jimmy Tamer to

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Speaker 1: his wife. Yeah, Timer's Timer is she is amazing. I

855
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Speaker 1: was so Dylan this because it gets weird. Dylan, Timer

856
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Speaker 1: and I all grew up in the same town. Um,

857
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Speaker 1: I know his dad. His dad also is the architect

858
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Speaker 1: for part of this thing that I worked. Anyways, long

859
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Speaker 1: story short, they're awesome. We own to the same high school.

860
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Speaker 1: I'll be many years apart, but they're killing it and

861
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Speaker 1: they're Talcolate's fantastic. So we take our giant beans to

862
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Speaker 1: them and they make In fact, we were just going

863
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Speaker 1: to see him next week. So and it's it's a

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Speaker 1: really I mean because Timer's sister works there and Dylan's

865
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Speaker 1: brother works there in I mean, it's it's it's such

866
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Speaker 1: a neat thing to see. That's the kind of thing

867
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Speaker 1: like when you when you take your beans in and

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Speaker 1: then you they you know, it's pay for service, so

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Speaker 1: I pay them per bar and then we get the

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Speaker 1: bars back and it's just such an that's the kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff I think. It's cool. We every time we

872
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Speaker 1: have to go external for something that we do, we

873
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Speaker 1: always try to stay on the east side of the

874
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Speaker 1: wall first, just because it's supporting your community. So yeah, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that fermentation process is really fun. It's super cool. That's yeah,

876
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: that's that's always my favorite part about anything. You get

877
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Speaker 1: to just talk about start talking about bacteria or east poop,

878
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, totally, I mean and and there's so

879
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Speaker 1: many little tricks to get the seat of bacteria to

880
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: kind of really I never fermented before. And I called

881
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: three of my really good friends, one of them being Dylan,

882
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: and asked him a bunch of questions and then I

883
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: spent like six hours on YouTube and I did a

884
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: really bad job on a few of them. And then

885
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Speaker 1: every time you just get a little bit better, you know,

886
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Speaker 1: So and I'm still a total infant, but it's so

887
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: much fun. Yeah, yeah, And that's one of the same.

888
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Speaker 1: It is, like, you know, it's always cool to pick

889
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: up pineapple and share with somebody. But when you're like,

890
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: I got chocolate, Um, what we usually like to wrap

891
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: up by asking you what questions we should have asked?

892
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: The shouldn't ask her if there's anything that you would

893
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: like to speak to you that you have an adopted.

894
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: The soap boxes you want to pull over, I got one,

895
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Speaker 1: And then this isn't something you should have shouldn't have asked?

896
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't said that. This is just something that I

897
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Speaker 1: would I would always like to say. Remember, we talked

898
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Speaker 1: about small batch craft production, which is what I consider myself.

899
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Speaker 1: And then you talk about commercial agriculture. You talk about

900
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: the outside of the aisle, inside of the aisle, you

901
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: talk about corporate egg versus small farmer um. We are

902
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: fed by a commercial corporate agg system that is now

903
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: basically a require meant in the United States because we're

904
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: a two percent or less of actual food producers versus

905
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: non food producers. That was driven by a consumerism mentality

906
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: that was nobody's fault. That was over seventy years, you

907
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's it's not like somebody

908
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: decided this is the way it should be. It was

909
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: something that was very you know, so it's a very

910
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: large ship it's a very big, big ship, and you

911
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: can't make a ship just go and turn all the

912
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: way around. And I really find sometimes it upsetting when

913
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: certain things are villainized. Yeah, they probably could be no

914
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: doubt they could be improved upon, no doubt there's things

915
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: that should be changed, no doubt that we should be

916
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: collectively voicing our opinions to help that change. But I

917
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Speaker 1: really really think that if you don't work in food production,

918
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: be a part of the positive change. Don't villainize and

919
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: tear people down because it doesn't help anything. I think

920
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: that's my soapbox because it's just really odd. I've never

921
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: figured that out. Because I'll be the first one to

922
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Speaker 1: say that we do need to change how we produce, allocate,

923
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: and distribute food in this country, no question about it.

924
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: But let's do it through positive change, collective movement, identifying

925
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: these things and then helping, whether it be with your dollar,

926
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: your business, if you're a banker, if your landowner, whatever.

927
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Speaker 1: But I really like to avoid the that's wrong and

928
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: this is right, particularly when it's very niche and very

929
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Speaker 1: um black and white. You know, I think that's kind

930
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: of kind of my thing we have to saying over

931
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: here because if you're if you're maybe it's a saying

932
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: other places too. But um, if you grew up here

933
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people you go at night on the

934
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Speaker 1: beach with flashlights and you catch sand crabs and it's

935
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Speaker 1: really fun. Right, we did it last night. Actually, we

936
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Speaker 1: call it crabs in the bucket because you you'll see

937
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Speaker 1: as you'll see a crowd that will kind of get

938
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Speaker 1: to the edge and you see how the other crowds

939
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: trying to drag him down. You guys have that saying too.

940
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Speaker 1: We call it crabs in the bucket because we just

941
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Speaker 1: you know, don't We don't want to be crabs in

942
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Speaker 1: the bucket. We want people to rise to the surface

943
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Speaker 1: that are doing the right thing. We want to let

944
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: people change happen in a positive way. But you don't

945
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: need to put yourself in a more positive light or

946
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: an improved situation at the expense of someone else. I

947
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: think that's kind of my thing. I never can figure

948
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Speaker 1: that out. Just doesn't seem cool. This is some seemed

949
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Speaker 1: like one thing to do, So yeah, that's my mom.

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Speaker 1: I am as delighted by the phrase crabs in a

951
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: bucket this time as I was the first time hearing it. Um,

952
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: that is so wonderful. Yeah, what a and and and

953
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: just what a great sentiment. Um. Yeah, I mean I

954
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Speaker 1: mean for humanity in general, but but especially during troubled times,

955
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to trying to help help people out.

956
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Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Yes, yes, absolutely, And if we

957
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Speaker 1: can be a part of that for you listeners, we'd

958
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Speaker 1: love to be. Um. You can email us. Our email

959
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: is Hello at savor pod dot com. We're also on

960
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Speaker 1: social media. You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and

961
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Speaker 1: Facebook at savor pod, and we do hope to hear

962
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Speaker 1: from you. Savor is production of I Heart Radio. For

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our superproducers Dylan

966
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Speaker 1: Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to Taylor for talking to us,

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Speaker 1: more good things are coming your way.