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Speaker 1: for wrapping up the winter meetings in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I just thought of this.

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Speaker 1: The most talked about team is a team that actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, and they've done Devin Williams right before

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Speaker 3: it was here, by the way, but well, yeah I

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Speaker 3: saw last night, but before this, not during this stretch. No,

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Speaker 3: you're right, and certainly the Mets are going to be

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Speaker 3: the talking point of the sport right now. I just

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Speaker 3: got done writing about them and all this is well

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Speaker 3: and good. Do you want to lose these guys? Okay,

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Speaker 3: but you have to have answers, and I'm not necessarily

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Speaker 3: sure David Stearns has some kind of plan. They're not

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Speaker 3: talking much about what they're gonna do. That's fine, but

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Speaker 3: they need to outfielders, they need starting pitching, and they

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Speaker 3: don't want to play long term on the big time

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Speaker 3: starting pitchers were and free agency, which I understand. Those

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Speaker 3: so you're gonna need to be busy. I'm sure they

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Speaker 3: know that. They obviously know that. But the way I

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Speaker 3: wrote the column was, if you're a Mets fan right now,

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Speaker 3: the irrational side is winning.

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Speaker 4: Is has thing true about not calling him about Devin Williams,

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Speaker 4: and then therefore he got his feelings, which I totally

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a star.

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Speaker 4: He is a star of the new when they play

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Speaker 4: the trumpets, he's the man coming out of there and

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Speaker 4: he's done in the biggest stages. So is that a

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Speaker 4: true thing that led to him then going to the Dodgers.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that that alone, well, it adds up.

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Speaker 4: As a player, you want to be respectful. That's where

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Speaker 4: I'm going ages.

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Speaker 5: Especially a guy that has been there, done that.

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Speaker 3: That was one element their offers, I'm sure were another element.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Heffner leaving Edwin di has had a good relationship

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Speaker 3: with him. All of that adds up, as you said,

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Speaker 3: and players they want a certain respect shown to them,

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Speaker 3: it was overall from when I've heard that respect he

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Speaker 4: By the way, has anyone done a proof of life

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Speaker 4: Has anyone has anyone seen or heard from Mendy because

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Speaker 4: he's gonna have to put all this together. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 4: David Searns, but if they don't do what they need

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Speaker 3: And you know what, guys, it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: They acquired a thirty six year old second baseman who

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Speaker 3: was in offensive decline and I know what they're saying

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Speaker 3: This is a huge move for Baltimore and the Mets

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Speaker 3: just didn't see it that way. I understand no player

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Speaker 3: So fucked in them. They're gonna have a lot to

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Speaker 2: To put back together.

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Speaker 1: What about the puzzle that the Orioles are trying to

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Speaker 2: Line up looking nice now. They still have a lot

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Speaker 3: And they are impressively putting a team together.

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Speaker 5: I love. Yeah, we bang on them all the time.

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Speaker 5: Finally Gill get him, go here we go.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, too, there's always a question with

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Speaker 3: It always sounds great the first day and who knows

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna stop hitting anytime soon in my estimation.

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Speaker 3: So it's a huge day for the Orioles, huge day

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Speaker 2: Nothing has actually happened with the trademarket, and.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna I was gonna say who won the Winter

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Speaker 2: Three moves, I mean, there's a few others.

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Speaker 3: Will the Ools for sure set themselves up?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and aj not to cop out, but too early

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Speaker 3: But it's December tenth, it's not February tenth, and there's

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Speaker 5: Simeon not that guy anymore.

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Speaker 3: Have seven hundred ops the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we talked about this twenty minutes ago. I was

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Speaker 1: reading some parts from your notes column the Braves, Remember

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Speaker 3: Yes they're on relievers, and Robert Suarez is one, but

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Speaker 2: There you go, perfect.

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Speaker 3: I'm with the cool kids.

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Speaker 4: But one of our friends, one of our colleagues, a

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Speaker 4: People bash him He's one of the best dudes I

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Speaker 3: He is, I believe now in both the Baseball and

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Speaker 2: He's a legend, and he makes every event feel bigger.

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Speaker 3: Here and there. I would think he might do it,

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Speaker 4: In twenty years of the day, don't forget the ninety

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Speaker 5: He's like, oh, trust me, we've I've thought about it already.

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Speaker 5: And this is how good he was though at like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just a master.

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Speaker 5: Is a master. Yeah. I still can't talk about Yes.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it, Ken, we'll talk to you, or

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Speaker 5: From my wife, you know.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah. But he also is going.

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Speaker 3: In BBWAA winner. Longtime beat writer for the Cleveland Plain

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Speaker 2: That's very cool, taking a tour of all of the.

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Speaker 1: Past suites that Jim Jucatt has spent time in as

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Speaker 1: and there's a big crowd for you today. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: These are my two teams right here.

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Speaker 5: Can you believe this? But it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Like as happy we'll get to the Orioles, as happy

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Speaker 8: It's hard for me to imagine that the plan at

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Speaker 8: That doesn't That doesn't resonate with me. That doesn't make

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Speaker 8: Oh maybe you didn't want to go more than three

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Speaker 8: There's a believability factor or lack of credibility right now

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Speaker 6: These guys are homegrown, not any good players, but homegrown.

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Speaker 8: You know, PR issue that you'd have to have your

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Speaker 2: I got one for you in your ear, crats.

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Speaker 7: Do they I mean the move the moves? It wasn't

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Speaker 5: Sure, now let's go to the Orioles.

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Speaker 4: They just picked up a forty plus home run guy,

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Speaker 8: now I know what the Oriels are doing.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't sure. Now I know, you know, and I

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Speaker 6: think it just changes.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, because I've been saying this crowds AVNI for

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Speaker 4: days now. Teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates, Oh, we want

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Speaker 4: to turn our fortunes around. Show everybody you got to

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Speaker 4: sign somebody, and you might have to overpay a little bit, right,

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Speaker 4: but that shows that they're serious. Right, And here you go,

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Speaker 4: the Orioles are now officially serious.

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Speaker 6: About Jason Worth did it with the Nationals a couple

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Speaker 6: of years.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a long list of this afterning.

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Speaker 4: The Cubs did it with Lesser and Lackey, that's right,

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Speaker 4: Rizo and Bryan and all those guys coming, Oh hey,

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Speaker 4: we got and they might have done until the year early,

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Speaker 4: but then they ended up winning the World Series Erlander, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, so sorry, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for saying no.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's true, and we've seen it happen so

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Speaker 8: many different times. I don't know why organizations don't do

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Speaker 8: it more. I really don't.

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Speaker 7: Who got the better deal Phillies and Schwarber, Orioles and

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Speaker 7: Pete Alonzo because it's two years younger for Pete, he

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Speaker 7: can still play first. It doesn't hamstring you yet.

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Speaker 8: At d H Right, Well, that's that's a great question

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Speaker 8: because and they're so different, like one's righty, one's lefty.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: I think with with the Orioles, I think they got

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Speaker 8: the better deal because he can play a position and

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Speaker 8: they needed them so badly, you know, the Phillies, if

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Speaker 8: it wasn't Schwarber, they would have pivoted to Tucker or whatever.

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Speaker 8: This this opens up so many different things, and there's

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Speaker 8: so much skepticism there with the Orioles, like Dave Dombrowski

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Speaker 8: knows what he's doing. You have a high degree of

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Speaker 8: faith and confidence that, oh jeez, if you didn't get

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Speaker 8: sharburh okay, they would done something else.

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Speaker 6: But like I knew, Dave was not gonna.

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Speaker 5: Let Schweber get away.

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Speaker 8: There's no chance, you know, the Hall of Fame, you know,

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Speaker 8: general manager.

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Speaker 6: But with with Michael Llias, there was a lot of

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Speaker 6: uncertainty down there.

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Speaker 8: He needed he needed this one, you know, And and

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Speaker 8: I think you know it'll age.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I'm not gonna bet ever against Schwarbert.

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Speaker 8: If he ends up hitting forty more homers per year

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Speaker 8: over the next five years, we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 8: in the Hall of Fame like he's gonna have over

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Speaker 8: five hundred home runs if you start to look at legacy.

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Speaker 5: So I like, I love what he is.

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Speaker 8: The problem. The only problem is he's a DH, you know.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's when I say DH, it just

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Speaker 8: hurts your versatility from a front office side of you know,

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Speaker 8: your the way your roster plays out.

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Speaker 5: So I love Kyle Schwarmer.

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Speaker 8: I'd want him on my team any day, and i'd

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Speaker 8: I would make him a full time DH and screw

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Speaker 8: the rotation DH.

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Speaker 6: Like every team likes to do.

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Speaker 8: But you know, in the sense of which one might

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Speaker 8: work better, I think Alonso is just because he has

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Speaker 8: some position, some positional flexibility.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you mentioned this, and we've talked about the

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Speaker 4: oils forever. They have all these prospects, Cow's are Holiday,

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Speaker 4: Adley Gunner, and they never really where they were reverse

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Speaker 4: to trading them.

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Speaker 5: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?

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Speaker 4: Because we just had a whole Jackson Holiday was worth

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Speaker 4: forty to forty nine million dollars?

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Speaker 6: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?

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Speaker 4: And how do you know when to get rid of

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Speaker 4: them and make that move and hold on to them

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Speaker 4: and then they become too old and now they're not

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Speaker 4: worth anything.

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Speaker 8: So the worth the value when we look at it,

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Speaker 8: a lot of it's in the projection. So like, okay,

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Speaker 8: is Jackson Holiday going to be an impactful second base

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Speaker 8: slash shortstop in the foreseeable future?

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Speaker 6: And if that's the case, you know, is that a five.

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Speaker 8: Or six war player just just just use war as

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Speaker 8: the simple way of evaluating it. Is he going to

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Speaker 8: be a five or six war player over the next

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Speaker 8: four seasons, right or better?

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Speaker 6: And if that's the case, then you then you can

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Speaker 6: put a value on it.

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Speaker 8: You know, you throw eight nine million dollars per war,

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Speaker 8: you can come up with evaluation at least whether you

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Speaker 8: agree with it or not.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how the front officers are doing it, right.

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Speaker 8: So I think that's you know, in Mayo as another example,

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Speaker 8: like they have a high degree of faith that Kobe

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Speaker 8: Mayo is going to be an impact guy.

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Speaker 6: There's too much swing and missing there for me right now,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 8: And so you know, what's a potential thirty homer guy

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Speaker 8: that can't make contact, doesn't really do anything for you

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Speaker 8: in the marketplace, that's not as much value, right, so

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Speaker 8: he has to figure out a way to make better

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Speaker 8: contact or else. You know that the value that they

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Speaker 8: think he has is going to go down to two

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Speaker 8: is gonna happen like six months so to strike out?

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Speaker 8: Yeah no, right, So yeah, I think that's the stuff

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Speaker 8: like that, And I'm always fascinated about it because it changes.

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Speaker 8: Like there be times where our valuators would go, oh yeah,

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Speaker 8: this guy is impactful, and then a year later we're like,

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Speaker 8: oh man, we don't have.

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Speaker 6: Any value for this guy.

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Speaker 8: We we held on to him too long, you know,

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Speaker 8: So that that's you know, there's those those impactful guys

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Speaker 8: that usually are obvious, Like when you saw an impactful

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Speaker 8: guy come out, you go, oh yeah, that guy's gonna stick.

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Speaker 6: You could kind of see it with your own eyes.

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Speaker 8: It's the nuance of oh can Jordan Westberg, who really

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Speaker 8: wasn't on the scene that much, can he become an

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Speaker 8: All Star or not? Like those are the guys you're like,

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Speaker 8: okay that you can you make I think missus more

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Speaker 8: misses or hits on those type of guys because you're

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Speaker 8: not really sure when they first come up.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you're the man of the hour. Thanks for stopping

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Speaker 2: by and you got to hit at Thanks for having shift.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for bringing the crowd over here for me.

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Speaker 8: Oh this is the adrenaline, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 6: It's good.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, duke, Thank you, appreciate you. That's

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Speaker 1: Jim Yes, uh, good to see you. You can catch

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Speaker 1: him on s n Y Serious Exam all over the place. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about MGM futures al Cy Young Winner. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming that's a plus three fifty for Terrek Schooble and

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Speaker 1: a plus three fifty taking him Garrett Crochet, and then

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Speaker 1: a plus eight hundo for Jacob deGrom, Hey, it's awesome

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Speaker 1: to groam put together what thirty starts this year?

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Speaker 2: Chances he take.

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Speaker 4: School because I think you'll get traded, possibly get traded

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the year, So he's out. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Crochet would be the one on this list.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I just you know, hopefully he can duplicate what he did,

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Speaker 4: replicate what he did last year. And Jacob de Grim

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Speaker 4: is always a health cancer. But when he's right, he's right.

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Speaker 4: But you know, he had a really good year last

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Speaker 4: year and he didn't. You didn't finish that highly in

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Speaker 4: the cy Young So it's a tough list.

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Speaker 5: Give me a little more.

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Speaker 4: You make a few more people, please, Yeah, you want

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Speaker 4: to go. I mean, not as many people as now

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Speaker 4: are behind us. Again, but give me a few more

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Speaker 4: people on.

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Speaker 1: The crazy they're rabid animals behind us. But crats your

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Speaker 1: thrists on al Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Crochet at plus three point fifty because of the concern

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Speaker 7: anytime you're picking any of these futures, concern of injury

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Speaker 7: is always there. But to me, the concern of being

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Speaker 7: traded like Scoogle could be. He could be twelve and

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Speaker 7: one at the trade deadline, and if the Tigers aren't

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Speaker 7: in it, which is completely out of Scooble's control. He

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Speaker 7: will get traded, not could he will and it will

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Speaker 7: be a massive haul that the Tigers will still get

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Speaker 7: for him. And if he goes to the National League,

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Speaker 7: you're cooked.

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Speaker 5: You're not.

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Speaker 7: He's not winning the Cy Young Award winner. But to me,

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Speaker 7: I think Crochet is the Crochet is a playing it.

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Speaker 7: I love that number at plus three fifty.

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Speaker 1: Yes please, okay, he's the one. Let me do a

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