1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Before we begin today show, we have a very special announcement. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Who is that guy? Get him out of here, baby bye. Oh. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: He's a very important person and you should listen to 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: what he's gonna say. I guess if no one else 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: is gonna be serious here, I might as well make 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: the announcement myself. What's the halfs surprise? Wait, not yet, 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: but coming soon. Stuff they don't want you to know. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: Not only have we not gotten canceled, We're gonna up 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: the Annie and get a two a week. That is correct. 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Next week you're gonna get two episodes in your feed. 11 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: One's gonna be on Friday, the way you always get 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: a stuff they don't want you to know episode. There's 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna be another one earlier on in the week. That's right, folks. 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: The primary complaint we have received about this show ever 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: since we started it is that we need more episodes 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: coming out, and we're finally doing it. We're doubling down, 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: we're doubling up. We're doubling something. That's right. Our show, 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: learn this stuff. They don't want you to know. Hello, 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: name is Night. They called me Ben. We're joined with 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Decans as always, but most importantly 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: you are you, and that makes this stuff they don't 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. The U. S. Military has cooked 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: up some pretty bizarre ideas over the past few decades, 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: and longtime listeners you know that. Matt Nolan I have 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: covered some of the more nefarious ones in past episodes. Yeah, 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: when you're on the edge and you're the leader of 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: all the military technology, you really just got to test 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: it all, man. You just throw stup at the wall 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: and see if it blows it up. Literally like the 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: jet copter, Yes, the jet copter where someone finally came 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: together with their friends and said, what if we had 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: a jet that wait for it, guys, has three wings. 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Wait for it, guys, and each of those wings has 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: a jet engine, and wait for it, and we spin 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: it really really fast and make it go somewhere to 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: what end? Is a vehicle or just an agent of chaos? 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: It's both meant to be. A vehicle. Didn't work out though. 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: There's also the idea of a blinding phaser. Yeah, they 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: went Star Trek with that one. It looks really cool. Actually, 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: it looks like one of those heavy duty Star Trek 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: phasers that they only use when they're facing a serious 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: threat like the board. Yeah, set your phasers to blind 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: cass you bog. I wonder how that would affect, you know, 47 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: because they've got the one human eye usually and then 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: the other eye. Well, they adapt their hive mind on 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: the land of the borg. The one eyed man is 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: a borg assimilated, right. They'll also they also tried, of course, 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: the one of the more infamous ones was they worked 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: on a plan for a bomb that would turn people 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: into homosexuals. Is that the one that Alex Jones is 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: always talking about turns to all the frogs gay? He's 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: also he's thinking about environmental contaminant too, I think right. Uh, 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: hands down my favorite one was a pigeon guided missile. 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: This one just really quick to get into it. I 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: don't think we've ever talked about it before in the show. Maybe, Okay, No, 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: So this guy B F. Skinner during around the World 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: War two times, I was trying to figure out a 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: way to basically having missile hone in on somebody and 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: he thought, oh, you know what I've got honing pigeons 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: honing missile. Let's put these two together, and he literally 64 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: made a warhead that was three pigeons sitting inside of warhead, 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: live pigeons that had these rudimentary screens of and it 66 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: would show what the ground looked like as this missile 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: is flying through the air, and the pigeons, if they 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: see the target that they've been trained to attack, they 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: would all, in theory, pick at the screen, and if 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: all three pecked at the screen, then detonation would occur. 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Of course, this makes quite a few assumptions, the idea 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: that the pigeons would behave normally when they're strapped into 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: this contraption, right, uh, the idea that that redundancy would work. 74 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Members of the National Research Defense Committee did give him 75 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: twenty five grand to do this. So again, throw it 76 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: at the wall, see if it blows up. They're also 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: bat bombs, seeking to utilize the echolocative abilities of bats. 78 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: There's actually a really great episode of the lovely podcast 79 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: The Memory Palace called Itty Bitty Bombs that talks about 80 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that very thing. Nice and check it out if you 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: get a chance. Of course, this isn't gonna be an 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: episode where we just heap ridicule on Uncle Sam, because 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam is not the only government thinking outside of 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: the box when it comes to military hardware and techniques. 85 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: In the cryptocurrency series that we earlier recorded, we spoke 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: with our old friend Jonathan Strickland about a larger trend 87 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: toward what's called asymmetrical warfare. And that's the idea that 88 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: if you and like, if the three of us are 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: the top military minds of China or Russia or something, 90 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: we know that we cannot compete one on one in 91 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: a conventional battle with the United States. But maybe it 92 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: turns out that Noel has a great lead on information warfare. 93 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it turns out that Matt is super good at 94 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: delivering poison and unexpected ways. It's all about innovation, and 95 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: you're right, unexpectedness, right, the element of surprise, And this 96 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: is where we see things like Soviet attack dolphins, or 97 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: like the United Kingdom's ill fated attempt to build an 98 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier that was also an iceberg because no one 99 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: would ever see it coming because it moves so slowly 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: it's almost imperceptible that it's coming at you. Yeah, and 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: sure it's that I could be doing much damage around 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: the equator, but man, but they wanted to try it. 103 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: And there are there numerous other silly examples. We've looked 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: at the assassination attempts for Fidel Castro. In a different show, 105 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Nolan and I looked at uh an attempt to kill 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill via an evil chocolate bars bloating chocolate wear 107 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: and when you broke that delightful little line of demarcation 108 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: to get that perfect chocolate square, it would blow your 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: fingers and face off. Jeez. And there was also a 110 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: halitosis bomb, which is super interesting because halitosis was primarily 111 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: condition made up by advertisers. So it's a bad breath bomb, right, 112 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: and halitosis has a condition is not real? That sounds 113 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: like more of a prank. Yeah, I think you just 114 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: get that by eating regular and then not brushing your 115 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: teeth because you Americans full ruining. How a great even 116 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: then bio without terrible breath, so minty freshness. Aside, a 117 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: lot of these techniques and these weapons and this hardware 118 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: the various governments dream up never make it past the brainstorming. 119 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be cool if phase or the research and 120 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: development phase, somebody somewhere along the line thankfully says, guys, 121 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I think jet copter is kind of a dumb idea, 122 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: or someone says, would ever say that it sounds amazing? 123 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: Sounds of it, I guess depends on what you want 124 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: it for. As an agent of chaos, it would be 125 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: one of the coolest fireworks ever. That's true. But the 126 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: problem is this, it can be very difficult for us, 127 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the general public, even members of other militaries, even at 128 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: the top levels of intelligence, it can be very difficult 129 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: to tell what has actually been deployed, what was kicked 130 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: around and then scrapped, what's active working is under wraps, 131 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: or as we saw often the Cold War, what's been 132 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: just sort of marketed as something to be scared of, 133 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: as an attempt to drain the other side's resources. Right, 134 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of propaganda around, you know, a lot 135 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: of these things do come into the public eye, but 136 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: only after something goes really really wrong, as we saw 137 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: in the case with that stealth helicopter. Yeah, in the 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: US raid on the bin laden compound in Islamabad, most 139 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: of the taxpayer public learned that stealth helicopters were a 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: thing when one of them crashed. And you guys remember that, right, Well, 141 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: you would hope that you wouldn't know about a stealth 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: helicopter unless it's stealth abilities failed drastically, yeah, Or or 143 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know about it until you heard the sound 144 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: of whatever you know, weaponry it's got on it. Yeah. 145 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: So this is interesting because ethically, there's a little bit 146 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: of a pickle. You know, most people pay taxes on 147 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: some level, right, whether it's sales or property or income, 148 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: it's just something. Most people pay taxes and often don't 149 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: know where that money is going. So these weapons, this 150 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: suppressed technology, of this classified technology definitely does exist. It's 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theory to say that, it's conspiracy realism. 152 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: And there are a number of compelling arguments for why 153 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: that should be kept secret, why we should be paying 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: for things that we don't know about, and even when 155 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: they might adversely affect US national security. And let's move 156 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: on the Great Boogeyman, right, And now we're at a 157 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: point where it turns out that just last year we 158 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: may have learned of another type of weapons, something we 159 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: knew could exist in theory but hadn't seen an action 160 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: This way here's where it gets crazy already already. Yeah, 161 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: So over the course of two years, two thousand sixteen 162 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: and two thousands seventeen, there was some weird stuff going 163 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: on in Cuba. Specifically, there were U. S Citizens who 164 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: were serving at the embassy there. They were complaining of 165 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: these various strange ailments. A lot of it had to 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: do with things affecting their ears and their ability to hear, 167 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: like they were they were experiencing hearing loss, they were 168 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: experiencing vertigo, feeling like they were going to fall or 169 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: we're falling, they were having headaches. They were even complaining 170 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: about cognitive cognitive deficiencies like having problems remembering something. Uh, 171 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, more than just when you walk through a 172 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: door and you forget something, which is something we all experienced. 173 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: They're talking about much more severe versions of this um 174 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: and just just so everybody knows, severe hearing loss was 175 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: the most common complaint, like I cannot hear right now, 176 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: and I've never had a problem with this before in 177 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: my life. And the injuries were thankfully not found to 178 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: be life threatening. But all of the victims had a 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: primary complaint that preceded their experience of this vertigo. This 180 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: hearing loss, this difficulty with recollection, and it's this They 181 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: heard a distinct, loud, pitched, incredibly annoying and painful sound 182 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: and unusual places, including their homes. Shall we punish our 183 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: listeners with a clip, yes, and ourselves. So the caveat 184 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: that there are a few limiting factors here. Um, this 185 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: is multiple frequencies stacked together, but they're not just the 186 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: ones that the human ear can perceive or that can 187 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: be recreated with phones or speakers or any other method 188 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: of reproducing sound. That's a really good point exactly that 189 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: that sound comes from the Associated Press. They actually went 190 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: in they got this sound while they were in Cuba, 191 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and they were just mentioning that there's a lot of 192 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: lower much lower frequency and much higher frequency stuff going on. Sure. Yeah, 193 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: And eventually the State Department did go public with this. 194 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: Keep in mind first reports or from sixteen so seen. 195 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: The State Department goes public, they pull all the non 196 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: essential staff from the embassy there in Havana and the 197 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: capital of Cuba, and they allow others to return to 198 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: the US for treatment. On May twenty three, the State 199 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: Department also began expelling Cuban diplomats. They started with two. 200 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: Eventually they would expel fifteen in total from the United States. 201 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: And it should be noted here that the Cuban the 202 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Cuban government vehemently denies that anything is going on here 203 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: like there they had any involvement in these health incidents. Uh, 204 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: And there's a quote right here. Cuba has never, nor 205 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: would it ever allow that the Cuban territory be used 206 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: for any action against accredited diplomatic agents or their families 207 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: without exception, full stop, pretty categorical there, you know. And 208 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: although the US officially states they're still investigating the cause 209 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: of these conditions, government officials from the U s side, 210 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: from Uncle Sam, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have 211 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: said that they believe someone in Cuba was operating a 212 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: quote sonic weapon. So what could the sonic weapon be, 213 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: we'll tell you after a word from our sponsors. So 214 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: sonic weapons. You might also hear these called ultrasonic weapons 215 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: or us ws do what it says on the tin. 216 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: They use sound to incapacitate, injure or potentially in theory 217 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: kill their victims, believe it or not, through the use 218 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: of sound alone. And perhaps you've heard of these web 219 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: and being deployed by police and for the purposes of 220 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: crowd disposal or cralling. One of the most well known 221 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: examples of this, at least in the world of policing, 222 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: is something called the long range acoustic device or l RAD. Yeah, 223 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: this thing produces noises fifty times above the human threshold 224 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: for pain, So that moment when you're listening to music 225 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: at a concert and you start to go, oh wait, 226 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: this actually hurts a little bit. It's it's fifty times 227 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: above that. It's about around one twenty one and forty 228 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: decibels at high power. This sort of stuff can cause nausea, vomiting, 229 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: and so on. However, it is considered a non lethal weapon. 230 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: It's literally just so loud that it hurts to be there. 231 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: So crowds that you know, occupy Wall Street or um 232 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: the ferguson Um protests. Sure, yeah, for any protests or something. 233 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: The ideas that they go, ah, my ears, I'm leaving. 234 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm more of a fan of non lethal weapon two. 235 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Which one is that the one with I wonder why 236 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: they never do a non lethal weapon. That's actually a 237 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: good idea, And I think I think it'd be kind 238 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: of dull, right, nothing would happen, What was the what 239 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: was the parody of the lethal weapon series was naked gun, 240 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Naked gun, well weapon, police squad Leslie Nielsen. Wasn't there 241 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: one called legal weapon or something like that. It doesn't matter, 242 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: I think one of those Hollywood knockoffs. So we'll get 243 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: back to it that we've got top men on the 244 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: research here. In the meantime, you'll hear a lot of 245 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: variations on this basic idea of sound as a weapon, 246 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: loaded weapon, loaded weapon there go, and it was called 247 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: loaded weapon one, and there wasn't a sequel that. I'm sorry, 248 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: it's important that we have that solved. So the variations 249 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: you'll hear, much like the variations of lethal versus loaded weapon, 250 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: we're all gonna be new takes on the same concept. 251 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: You'll hear about grenade, something you could throw that emits 252 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: a powerful, dangerous sound, sonic cannons, sonic guns, and so on, 253 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: and this hardware can produce different effects. The majority that 254 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: we know about right now are designed to be non lethal, painful, 255 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: slap on the wrist, don't do it. We're not minimizing 256 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: the effects of these because non lethal weapons that terms 257 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: sometimes gets a better rep than it deserves. Technically, people 258 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: who shoot rock salt at you out of a shotgun 259 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: are exercising a non lethal weapon. But I can tell 260 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: you that is a very painful experience. And I mean 261 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: it could you know, injure you such that you could 262 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: die from your wound if there'sn't you get an infection 263 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: or something like that. Totally you would bleed from getting 264 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: shot with rock salt, I think right, Yes, depend on distance. Yeah, Well, 265 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: in things like tasers too that are considered less than lethal, 266 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: do have you can be killed by that because you're 267 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: dealing with your heart and everybody has a different leaf 268 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: functioning heart and circulatory system and everything, so much in 269 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: the same way you can imagine, there are there are dangers, yeah, 270 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: especially you might have a pre existing heart condition or 271 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: something and then it's boom, game over. So some are designed. 272 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: Some of these weapons are designed to shoot what's called 273 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: a focus point or focused area sound like a bullet 274 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: from a gun or maybe a laser is a better 275 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: a better description, while others create a sustained field of effect. 276 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: Despite their names, not all these weapons are gigantic, big booming, 277 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: oversized nighties Golden era of hip hop boom boxes. They're 278 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: operating some of them are operating outside of the range 279 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: of human hearing, like Nolan, Matt we're talking about with 280 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: the clip that they played and what what's happening there. 281 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: It's similar to that so called brown note. Do you 282 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: guys remember the story of the brown note? I think 283 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: South part made it famous. Yeah, yeah, it's the one 284 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: you can't hear but makes you poop, which we we've 285 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: examined in the past. At this point, there is no 286 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: universally accepted proof of the brown note, and who knows. 287 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's not real. Maybe it's because everybody 288 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: who proved it was too embarrassed, you know, nobody wanted 289 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: to soil themselves for the sake of scientific research. But 290 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: we're pretty sure it's not at this point. Yeah, there's 291 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: no there's no real solid proof. So what this means 292 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: if something is outside the range of conscious human hearing, 293 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: is that victims can feel the effects of one of 294 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: these pieces of technology without necessarily associating those effects with 295 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: an actual sound. And through part of this, I have 296 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: to defer to my colleagues Matt and Null here because 297 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: you all are audio experts and you have I think 298 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: you can give a good explanation at times with what 299 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: sound is, how it works, how the perception of sound works, 300 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: what we mean when we say a frequency, and all that. 301 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: So I just want to set that up that I 302 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: may ask some questions that relatively elementary to you. All, okay, 303 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: no problem, and I will probably defer to Knowel. So 304 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna set him up with a question right now, 305 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: and I will defer and turn back to Matt, and 306 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: then I will then defer to Paul and and then 307 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: he will defer to you, ben Um, and then we'll 308 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: defer to you specifically. You listen, So here we go. 309 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Here's the round robin. So when you're dealing with sounds, 310 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about waves. You're talking about energy being moved 311 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: through the air with these waves, so you've got amplitudes, 312 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: you've got frequencies, so like how close together, uh, the 313 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: sound wave is happening, how large that wave actually is, 314 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: which translates to volume. So there are all kinds of 315 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: things that we're gonna be discussed as we get into this, 316 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: and we're talking about hurts, killer hurts and mega hurts. 317 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Do you want to walk us through any of that? 318 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean only that it's a spectrum in the same 319 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: way that color is a spectrum. And you know, sound 320 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: is measured from the lowest uh to the highest in 321 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: terms of and then you know as something goes from 322 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: a low frequency to high frequency, they get closer together, 323 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: so you can see it like on a wave form, 324 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: a lower sound is gonna be is going to have 325 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: more space in between them than the higher sound is 326 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: going to have less space between And just to jump in, 327 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: when I say low, I mean low and pitch and 328 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: high end pitch when I'm talking about volumes. So a 329 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: lower sound could have a wavelength up to seventeen meters, 330 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: which would be twenty hurts, and then a high frequency 331 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: could have something that you would measure in centimeters, which 332 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: would be twenty thousand hurts. Wow. And it's also important 333 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: to remember that when you're hearing sounds, it's not just 334 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: your ears. Your entire body is being embarded by these 335 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: waves that are coming from a source. So you know, 336 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: when you imagine as a weapon, it's it's not like 337 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: they're attacking your ears, they're attacking your entire corporeal form. 338 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: And in the case of the brown note, your bowels. 339 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: That would be a very low sound that would move 340 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: you and your bowels and make you And that's it. 341 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: That's an incredibly important point. You know, the brown note 342 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: may sound humorous, but not You're absolutely correct in that 343 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: this does. It's a body wide affect. Your drums and 344 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: the auditory system are going to be the most sensitive 345 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: and the thing we notice the most, but that doesn't 346 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: mean the rest of the body is immune to it. 347 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: And if you hear a low sound, like a real 348 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: bassi sound and a concert, you can feel it in 349 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: your guts and your sternum and stuff, you know, And 350 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: that's what sound is, right, vibration. So this idea of 351 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: taking taking a phenomenon is responsible for some of the 352 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: most beautiful moments of human existence. Listening to music, communicating, 353 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: saying I love you to a relative, or you know, 354 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: someone you're hitting on a romantic partner, hearing your son's 355 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: voice for the first time. There we go, There we go. 356 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: The idea of turning that into a weapon sounds like 357 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: some old school sci fi comic book stuff from the 358 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: golden age of comics, But the truth is this technology 359 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: is not theoretical. It's already being deployed in the field 360 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: on an experimental, marginal basis, and research on it continues 361 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: and this is not just a thing that is the 362 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: domain of DARPA. Multiple government agencies across the world have 363 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: conducted research with this, along with quite a few private entities. 364 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: And they're doing that because science backs up the claim 365 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: that sound can be used as a weapon. Earlier, we 366 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: had explored the use of sound as a psychological or 367 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: even a supernatural weapon shout out to us, See you 368 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: next time, But the weapons were exploring now are meant 369 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: to physically injure people. We know that high powered sound 370 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: waves can easily disrupt or even destroy ear drums, and 371 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: this creates intense disorientation because our inner ear is a 372 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: primary method of determining balance for an individual body. It's 373 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: making me think back to those side effects you talked 374 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: about at the top of the show, that it could 375 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: cause you to get a little caddy wamp us and 376 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: start to kind of get that vertigo. Makes me think 377 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: of the character on Arrested Development played by Liza Manelli 378 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: who's always got that she's got a case of the disease, 379 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: and she'll be walking around normal and then all of 380 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: a sudden kind of like what stubble and then kind 381 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: of have to pick herself back up. You know, it's 382 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: a it's a legitimate thing that people suffer from, just 383 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: you know, without being afflicted by weird secret government sound cannons. Yes, yeah, 384 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: and high intensity ultrasound of frequencies from seven kill it 385 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: hurts to three point six mega hurts can cause lung 386 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: and intestinal damage in mice. So it's beyond the year. 387 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: We luckily don't have hard data about that in the 388 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: realm of human experimentation, at least not that is publicly available. Right, 389 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: heart rate patterns following vibroacoustic simulation can create serious negative 390 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: consequences uh, such as brady cardia atrial flutter. Sonic weapons 391 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: are used in non military applications too. Yes, there is 392 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: a ship called the s Born Spirit that at one 393 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: point used a long range acoustic device and l RAD 394 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: to deter some pirates they were attempting to board the 395 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: ship and and take things from it, and perhaps even 396 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: take the ship. And they successfully used it. Yeah, they did. 397 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: There's there's another example that I find pretty funny, and 398 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I hope that no one was seriously injured with this. 399 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: But in the United Kingdom, some stores began using sonic 400 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: devices to prevent teenagers from loitering because as as you age. 401 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: As the human body ages, you're hearing begins to decay, 402 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: and there are certain sounds that you will not be 403 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: able to hear later in life. It's generally the higher 404 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: frequencies right right, spot on. And so these store owners 405 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: were taking mobile devices and setting them up to admit 406 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: a sound at a pitch. Only younger ears were capable 407 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: of hearings, Like, only teenagers could hear this kind of thing. 408 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: It's like the millennial yelp, yeah, I think so. In 409 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: every song and every song it's that like I think 410 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: it's well, yeah, only millennials can hear that. Oh man, 411 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: it does remind me of the sonic anti pest devices 412 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: that exists. You can find them in any hardware store 413 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: for you know, rodents and insects that admit a high 414 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: pitch sound. But if you turn those things on, I 415 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: swear to you you can. You can. You can hear it, 416 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: there's air moving and you can tell. Do you think 417 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: those actually work? Have you seen evidence that they that 418 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: they work? I've not. I've never wanted to have one 419 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: in my home. Wait, but you can actually go real 420 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: clean home, yeah, and you can actually hear them. You said, so, 421 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: maybe they work on you not it's not so much 422 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: hearing as sensing. There's a disturbance. Does that compute at all? Yeah, totally, 423 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: and there's probably an obvious one. But like things like sonar, 424 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: where you know, you use sonic waves to detect objects 425 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: and map distances underwater, but it can really mess with 426 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: underwater creatures who encounter it. It can jack with their equilibrium, 427 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: like things we're talking about whales exactly. Yeah, whales will 428 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: have migration roots disrupted, and there's a dearth of very 429 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: significant or substantial research on that. Because I'm gonna argue 430 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: maybe this is this a topic for a different show, 431 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: but because various governments operating submarines don't want to admit 432 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: that they're destroying this wildlife. And of course I'm sure 433 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who say, oh, you're 434 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: gonna put the price of wales life over national security, yeah, 435 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: j to which I say, oh, national security. But overall, 436 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: this is fascinating but pretty spooky stuff, right, Yeah, actual 437 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: humans being affected somehow by some sound. So what happened next? Well, 438 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: we'll tell you after a quick word from our sponsor, 439 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: as the US Cuba Joint Investigation into this incident continued 440 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: with the US staff leaving or leaving specifically for treatment, 441 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: and Cuban staff being expelled from the US and so on. 442 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: More theories cropped up. For example, what if this was 443 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: a weapon operating in the infrasound ranges. Anyone who's stuck 444 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: with us for a while will pyric their ears when 445 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: they hear infrasound. It's because we've covered this before. We 446 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: we talked about it. With regards to Vic Tandy. It's 447 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: the man that thought he'd encountered some kind of actual ghost, 448 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: like for real, before discovering that there was a fan, 449 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: literally a fan, an oscillating fan nearby that was emitting 450 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: a sound below the range that he could hear, and 451 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: it was triggering all kinds of things in his body, hallucinations, headaches, 452 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: just weird feelings. And eventually what Victandy learned was that 453 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: there actually was something like a ghost. It was this frequency. 454 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: So the effects he was encountering were not just his 455 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: mind playing tricks on him. They were his body responding 456 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: to an external stimulus. And what's fascinating about this, at 457 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: least to me, is that if it's true, if somebody 458 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: weaponized this infrasound idea then and if it works the 459 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: way that this worked in vict Handy's experience, then someone 460 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: literally invented a ghost gun. Yeah, and can you imagine 461 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: if you had a large enough whatever you would need 462 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: set of speakers. I don't know exactly how large you 463 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: have to be to omit that kind of low frequency 464 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: sound that far or that loud, but what you could 465 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: do to a population in a building or in maybe 466 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: an entire city. I'm just picturing like a giant, massive subwaffer, 467 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: just a single one. You carry it around like on 468 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: a ham trunk. No, no, you'd you would put it 469 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: on a jet copter and you just go around the city. 470 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: So you're always thinking one step ahead. However, there are 471 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: some issues with the idea of infrasound. If infrasound is 472 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: the culprit here or the means of transmission, then why 473 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: did Handy not experienced severe hearing loss? Is that is that, 474 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: you know? The two Matts point is that because the 475 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: source of Tandy's experience was just not as large or 476 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: perhaps not as optimized for damage, and maybe the frequencies 477 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: were a little different, or maybe we're what we're dealing 478 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: with in the in the Cuban embassy case, is this 479 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: infrasound mixed with the high pitched shone we heard? Oh yeah, 480 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: that's right. Because multiple frequencies, we have an audio potpourri. 481 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: That's a very important point. Additionally, according to New York Times, 482 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: are reported by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences 483 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: that came out in two thousand two noted that the U. 484 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: S Military tried to weaponize in for sound, but had 485 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: not succeeded because it was so hard to focus the wavelengths. 486 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: The primary effective infrasound they found appears to be annoyance. 487 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: That's a quote. H It just it's just like silly. 488 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: It goes to what Noel was saying about pranks. You know, 489 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: is this just a is Is this just the equivalent 490 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: of incessantly Facebook poking people? You know, you use it 491 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: on the enemy and it keeps them from getting any 492 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: work done. See. I like, but I gotta say, I 493 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: don't know if I really believe this. I mean, I 494 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: hate to say I don't believe a report by the 495 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, but I think it's fine. Well, 496 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: you it feels like you could definitely weaponize this thing. 497 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: I can understand the biggest problem being not being able 498 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: to focus the wavelengths because maybe you're affecting the people 499 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: who are also supposed to be operating whatever you're deploying, 500 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: or something like like those giant guns like the Babylon 501 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: gun and rockets where they had to the where the 502 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: gun was so large that the operators had to go 503 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: three hundred yards away, cover their eyes, nose, ears, and 504 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I think basically all their other orifices with cotton and 505 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: then would still be bleeding when they launched it. She 506 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: So maybe it's maybe it's a situation where they said 507 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't effectively weaponize it because they couldn't weaponize it 508 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: in a way they conformed to the operational constraints like 509 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: if it needs to affect somebody with an x amount 510 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: of yards and making everyone's anus bleed without making everyone's 511 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: anus bleed, and and if you know, like those are considerations, 512 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and right now we don't know what those exact constraints 513 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: would be. But this leads us to another possible culprit. 514 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: So if infrasound, if we are taking the word of 515 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and their second 516 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: hand report, when it is second hands, not primary source. 517 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: If we're taking their word for an infrasound for some 518 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: reason doesn't work out, then what about ultrasound? Okay, So 519 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: with infrasound, we're talking about the lowest end of the 520 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: spectrum as far as wavelengths go. What about that high 521 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: end stuff? So at those really high frequencies they were 522 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: talking about, with the really small wavelengths that are measured 523 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: in centimeters rather than you know, meters um higher than 524 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: twenty thou hurts, which is beyond the range of human hearing, 525 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: ultrasound can totally do serious tissue damage if produced with 526 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: enough juice. That's key, right, that's why. Okay, So for 527 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: anybody in the audience who had kidney stones or knows 528 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: somebody in your family who had kidney stones, that's why 529 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: one of the treatments that doctors used for kidney stones 530 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: is ultrasound. They'll use focus blast of this very high 531 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: frequency sound to break kidney stones apart and do small 532 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: enough pieces that they can pass through your body. But 533 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: luckily it does not affect your boys. You're right, yeah, luckily, Yeah, 534 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: we're sure about that, because I still haven't had one. Well, 535 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's my question. I mean it. I 536 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: guess it's the focused nature of it. Like if they 537 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: shot you directly in the testes with that, maybe it 538 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: could have impact. I imagine, Well, yeah, that's that's good. 539 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: It just turns it from kidney stones into kidney shards. 540 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: Balls aren't built for ultrasound. But yeah, without without being 541 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: frightening about it or alarmist, it is, it is absolutely 542 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: true that this stuff can do physical damage in this 543 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: focus form of damaging kidney stones is only one application. 544 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: You know. You also hear about lower versions of this 545 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: when someone has an ultrasound during a pregnancy. Right, So, 546 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: why again can't they focus it more and and and 547 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: raise the power If we're talking about doing you know, 548 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: tissue damage, if it's produced with enough energy, why can't 549 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: they just use a really really in my day, I mean, 550 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: the the ultimate evil that's out to destroy us all, 551 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: whoever that may be. Why can't they just use a 552 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: giant power source and do the same technology and have 553 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: it be focused enough to shoot over long distances and 554 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, use it to like assassinate somebody for example, 555 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: and it would be undetectable, like like like an invisible bullet. This, 556 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, this reminds me of Illumination Global Unlimited and 557 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: their fantastic products would like to thank them sponsored the show. 558 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Uh and we assure you that we are required to 559 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: say they are in no way related to the Shadowy 560 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: Cabal NOL just mentioned it is. It is a question, though, 561 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: it's a great question, why can't we Why can't they 562 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: use it as a bullet, and their advantages to this 563 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: invisible bullet. First off, there wouldn't be a physical artifact 564 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: in the dead body of the victim, right, it would 565 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: look as though their body were shattered. But the issue 566 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: is even though they found researchers found that they could 567 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: create beams that were powerful enough in a laboratory so 568 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: maybe not mobile to kill a mouse at close range 569 00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: a fatal sonic weapon. But despite the fact that you 570 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: could take the same technology that's used in medical scans 571 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: and so on and up up its power level to 572 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: the point of causing death, the problem is that it's 573 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: almost like DC power. So direct current power had one 574 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: primary one big disadvantage was that it dissipated quickly over distances. 575 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: So in Edison's original plan for an energy infrastructure, there 576 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: would have to be these stations and a relatively small 577 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: distance apart from one another repeater pretty much. Yeah, yeah, 578 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: And what's happening with this idea with ultrasound is that 579 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: it's also losing power pretty quickly over long distances. And 580 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: you know the reality is that if you have a 581 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: gun that you could go and point at someone, say 582 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: Paul finally gets tired of us and decides to kill 583 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: us with a sonic weapon, because it's like, I don't know, 584 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: you got time on your hands or something, and right then, 585 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: how close does he have to be? The other problem 586 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: with it, specifically in the case of Havana, is that 587 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: humidity really really messes with the effect. Well that's a 588 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: dampener no pun intended, but I mean it is. It's 589 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: like another material that it has to pass through that 590 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: dissipates the sound in the same way we have crap 591 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: up on the walls here in this here room that 592 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: soaks up sound waves and and keeps the room from 593 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: sounding echo e. That's because it's dissipating those sound waves 594 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: in a way. And you could use the same stuff 595 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: to break up a sound wave or damping it like 596 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: and keep it from transmitting from one room to another, 597 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: because it's literally stopping it or at least slowing it 598 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: down or breaking it up to the point where it's 599 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: not going to be as powerful. So for a second, 600 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: let's imagine that something like this weapon exists out there 601 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: and it's in the hands of somebody in Cuba and 602 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: it was being deployed in Who would be doing it 603 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: the Cuban government. That's a really interesting question because naturally 604 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: the Cuban government is going to deny this stuff, but 605 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: some people from the U. S side would be tempted 606 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: to agree with them. Former officials from the Obama administration 607 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: believe that if there were a weapon in play, Cuba 608 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: would definitely not be the person or the organization pulling 609 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: the trigger. Really, yeah, you're setting me up, and I 610 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Well, no, I'm I'm. I think it's just 611 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: because it's the U. S. Embassy inside Cuba. There have 612 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: been tensions there for a long time between the United 613 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: States and Cuba, and it seems like if you're attacking them, 614 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: as if that's your target, then it would be motivated 615 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: for some reason because of those tensions. At least that's 616 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: me coming from a complete novice of international affairs side. 617 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's completely reasonable too, that doesn't 618 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: seem a far leap to make. According to a foreign 619 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: policy advisor for the Obama administration, a guy named Ben Rhodes, 620 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: go Ben's this is it's sort of counterintuitive to blame 621 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: Cuba for this. Rhodes says, I don't think the Cuban 622 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: government is behind it. He was also involved in negotiating 623 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: the opening or the approachment between Havana and d C. Well, 624 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: that is true, and around this time, we're like human 625 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: the United States are going through kind of a reconnecting, 626 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: right Yeah, huh first, says Rhodes. These things apparently started 627 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: in December. At the same time attacks were starting, the 628 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 1: Cuban government was frantically concluding agreements with US, US being 629 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: the Obama administration, signing business deals, in other words, trying 630 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: to preserve the relationships. So the notion that at the 631 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: same time is doing that, they would initiate something that's 632 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: so obviously designed to blow up the relationship doesn't make sense. Ah, 633 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: but you know it does make sense. What's that a 634 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: splinter group within the government or within the some intelligence 635 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: agency that's functioning in the Cuban government or the United 636 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: States government, or yeah, an agent of chaos who doesn't 637 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: want the relationship to go a jet copter of sorts. 638 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: I could totally see that happening somebody, even from the 639 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: U S side. This is complete speculation. Um, someone from 640 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: the U S side that didn't want the relationship, relationship 641 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: to be rekindled, and so they do an attack on 642 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: the U. S. Embassy to make it look as though 643 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: relations are souring. So this takes us to another question then, 644 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: which would be um, Who then would be the hand 645 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: that moves the sonic weapon. It could be, as you proposed, Matt, 646 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: a splinter group on the U. S side or on 647 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: the Cuban side who doesn't want to see the relationship 648 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: open or wants to at least maintain his status quo 649 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: of isolation on on Cuba's end. Other people will point 650 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: the finger at some of the US is long time 651 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: recurring boogeman. A similar case was reported in Uzbekistan. A 652 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: U S. A I D officer and his wife had 653 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: symptoms that closely matched what was happening, what the what 654 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: the employees in Cuba said was happening to them, and 655 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: this led some media sources to blame Russia and say 656 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: that Russia was deploying this. They did it in Uzbekistan, 657 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: they're doing it in Cuba, interesting because they're bad. It's like, 658 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: that's like the assumption. Well yeah, but there is another 659 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: angle though, I guess because Quba and Russia again have 660 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: a long standing relationship, and I wonder if there was 661 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: anything there. Oh man, I love I love pondering these 662 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: things without knowing all the information because it leaves so 663 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: many different avenues open to think about. So the other 664 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: twist there's Cuba went a step further. They said there's 665 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: absolutely no proof that any weapon exists or was deployed, 666 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 1: not just by them, but by anyone. They're saying, look 667 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,959 Speaker 1: at what happens, look at what people are reporting. There's 668 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: no gun, Yeah, you know what I mean, at least 669 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: no large gun. Right into Noel's earlier point, how large 670 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: would have to be. Now we have to ask ourselves, 671 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: what if there's no weapon, What if there's no spoon 672 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 1: to quote the matrix? What if what if no actual 673 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: weapon exists? What what does that even mean? I mean, 674 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, skeptics will say that allegations of this kind 675 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: of sonic weaponry just don't add up and kind of 676 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: defy the laws of nature of science. Yeah, right, Like 677 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: just the everything we know about how sound works, how 678 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: it travels, like the points you brought up earlier in 679 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: no like humidity, which I now feel like a fool. 680 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: We were, well, I don't know about the long distance. 681 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: I I don't think was why can't we have a 682 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: sonic sniper gun that just uses the technology that used 683 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: to break up your kidney stones to assassinate someone from 684 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: far far away? And um, I realized now that that 685 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: is a pipe dream. Maybe not. It just really were 686 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: arguing the size of the gun. I guess it's true. 687 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: And like you know, and when I say a long distance, 688 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying miles, that just mean far enough away 689 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: that it could be focused and used unseen. But maybe 690 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: there is a way. I don't know. Yeah, I keep backpedaling, 691 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going out there on the limb. What 692 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's but it's possible. Well, so far we've 693 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of been imagining that it's one large weapon that 694 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: a military someone would deploy. What if we're talking more 695 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: about very tiny maybe not maybe not so tiny, but 696 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: small versions that are maybe littered throughout an embassy where 697 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: they're able to produce that kind of sound and have 698 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: that frequency response. But they're just in the walls somewhere, 699 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: or in the ducting system or somewhere where they can 700 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: where it's audible, and you can still get hit with 701 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: the sound waves, but you wouldn't see it. Similar preps 702 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: to the way that the hotel room would be bugged 703 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: with cameras, or to get really dark and disturbing about it, 704 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: the way in that show ODZ. A lot of times 705 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: folks were killed by slowly being fed ground up glass 706 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: and their food. Right, So if you have these sonic 707 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: devices that are in your office and you go in 708 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: there every day and you're constantly getting doses of this stuff, 709 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't hit you all at once, but it 710 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: would slowly weaken you over time. Maybe there's an aggregate effect, 711 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: especially in your sleep. Yeah, but if the noise was 712 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: audible to them, how could they sleep? You know what? 713 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: There are questions they wouldn't it not be audible though, 714 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: because I mean, surely when you get that treatment done, 715 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, for kidney stones, you're not hearing a horrible, shrill, 716 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: high pitched sound. That's true, you're not. But in this 717 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: case we have an example of what it did sound 718 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: like that, and they were they did report an audible 719 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: shrill sound, so oh yeah, I don't know, but that's 720 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,479 Speaker 1: what they heard. Also, so they may have had other 721 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: times where they only you know, maybe an iceberg of sorts, 722 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: like the audible stuff is what they can see. That's 723 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: the iceberg above the water. Audible dot Com is the 724 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,439 Speaker 1: leading provider of audiobooks and yeah, if you enter our 725 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: promotion code um sonic Death Ray, yep, you can get 726 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: ten percent off a cookie at my house. Really yep. 727 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: How's your cookie business going so far? We're just hemorrhaging money. 728 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: They're just giving them away. Oh man, well, I am 729 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: a little bit offended. Or maybe no cookies exist, just 730 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: like maybe no sonic weapons exist in this situation. In fact, 731 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: some neurologists have argued that the real source of the 732 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: problem is not a weapon and not a sound at all. Instead, 733 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,479 Speaker 1: they think it's a sort of mass hysteria. Yeah. This 734 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: is according to Mark Hollett, the head of the Human 735 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: Motor Control section of the u S National Institute of 736 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Would you love to see that 737 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: in your email every time you have to send something 738 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: out the head of Human Motor Control. That's very that's Yeah, 739 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 1: it's important. It does, and he says, from an objective 740 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 1: point of view, it's more like mass hysteria than anything else. 741 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: Mass hysteria is something we've mentioned before. What maybe we'll 742 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: talk about Salem witch trials, which was the source of 743 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: my ou By the way, I'm not dismissing mass hysteria, 744 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: and of course can absolutely be a thing. I was 745 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: just trying to play the game. Yeah, and I think 746 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: it works. So we know mass hysteria is real. We 747 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: know it's dangerous. It's resulted in deaths throughout history, right 748 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: oftentimes the deaths of completely innocent people. It describes an 749 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: outbreak among groups of people that are partially or holy 750 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 1: psycho somatic, and the that means, without deriving these victims 751 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: were placing any blame upon them. That means that their 752 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: perceptions or their beliefs of what are happening, their internal 753 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: narratives are determining these symptoms that they are encountering, and 754 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: they're attributing that to an external source. YEA, And I 755 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: wonder throughout the investigation that's being conducted, if they're focusing 756 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: on everything like the water supply for that building, because 757 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about a lot of people who are drinking 758 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: the same water, who are using the same facilities, who 759 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: are breathing the same air. You know, that's all in 760 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: a closed system. So I wonder if you know there 761 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: are other extenuating circumstances there. That's a good that's a 762 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: good question. We don't know how far the investigation has 763 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: gone because they're not completely public about much else other 764 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: than the investigation is ongoing, phrase we hear often. Well, 765 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,240 Speaker 1: Alex says this is more commonly a thing that affects 766 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: smaller groups of people, often in families, But he does 767 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: say it's feasible for a large group to be affected 768 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: if they're working together closely, especially in a tense and 769 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: hostile environment. There you go, and it's probably true they 770 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: are seeing the same people every day. They're probably living 771 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 1: in somewhat of a bubble. So that's that's a neurologist 772 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: take on it, and it leads us to some conclusions 773 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: where we at now. Well, the Cuban Ministry of Foreign 774 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: Affairs claimed that it learned of these health issues on 775 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: February seventeenth and opened a quote comprehensive priority and urgent 776 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: investigation and quote and they formed a committee to carry 777 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: out set investigation. And so that's uh, February seventeen, seventeen, 778 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: and we know what's been happening since before that. In 779 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: sen that's just when they heard about it. And they 780 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: also said the ministry had increased security around the American 781 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: embassy and all of the diplomatic residences where people working 782 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 1: at the embassy reside. And they additionally said, as as 783 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: we have mentioned earlier, there's not a weapon. If there was, 784 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,359 Speaker 1: Cuba had nothing to do with it. Why on earth 785 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: will we do that? Stop accusing stuff. And according to 786 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: a spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, 787 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 1: since September, the Department of State has been contacted by 788 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: nineteen US citizens who are reported experiencing symptoms similar to 789 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 1: those listed in the travel warning after visiting Cuba. So 790 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: these are extra other people right who are reporting these symptoms. 791 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: At this point, we do not have a conclusive cause. 792 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,760 Speaker 1: It's up in the air as to whether we will 793 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,959 Speaker 1: ever find a conclusive cause. Two of the big front 794 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: runners for this event are going to be mass hysteria 795 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: if you listen to some neurologists, sonic weapon if you 796 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: listen to some again enough anonymous government officials. You have 797 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,760 Speaker 1: to wonder about the timing of this, as Matt said, 798 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,359 Speaker 1: you have to wonder about the specifics and how much 799 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: happened behind the curtain. But as we know now, something happened. 800 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: Something happened. Is there is there a cover up? Is 801 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: it just a case of people being misinformed? Do you 802 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: have some insider info that you would like to share 803 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: with us? If so, we'd love to We'd love to 804 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. You can find Matt Noel's super producer 805 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 1: Paul and I on Instagram. You can find us on Facebook, 806 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter, and we're conspiracy stuff 807 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: at most of those but conspiracy stuff show on Instagram. 808 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: And uh oh, one last thing before we before we leave, 809 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: there is there's a declassified department of the Army. I 810 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: guess it's just a report or part of a report 811 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,439 Speaker 1: that you can read search bio effects of selected non 812 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: lethal weapons and you should find a pdf. 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