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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and I am full of New year resolutions?

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Speaker 1: Or are those worms? I might be full of worms?

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Speaker 1: Today on the show Happy New Fear, let's discover fears

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Speaker 1: you didn't even know you had with some horrifying creatures,

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Speaker 1: take a one way trip to decapitation station, check out

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Speaker 1: some very creepy babies, and endure the existential crisis after

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Speaker 1: finding out when a butt is not a butt. Discover

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Speaker 1: this more as we answer the angel question. Is any worms?

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Speaker 1: Too many worms to have inside of you? It's a

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Speaker 1: new year, a fresh start, but New Year's Eve can

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Speaker 1: be anxiety inducing for some, even depressing. A study conducted

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Speaker 1: in Britain found that one in six people found New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve to be the sad this day of the year,

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Speaker 1: according to the Telegraph. Some psychologists think this is due

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Speaker 1: to the stress of the holidays, compounded by the stress

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Speaker 1: of self reflection that the new year brings. Personally, I

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Speaker 1: get overwhelmed by the idea that I have to make

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Speaker 1: a fresh start for the new year, and I worry

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Speaker 1: about things not improving in the world. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: instead of avoiding fears of the new year, we should

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Speaker 1: do a bit of radical acceptance. Instead of trying to

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Speaker 1: dodge your fears, you accept them. Bad things might happen,

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Speaker 1: worms might invade your body, but that's okay, and I

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Speaker 1: accept it. I accept those worms. So today on the show,

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Speaker 1: I want to trawl through the animal world for scary things,

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Speaker 1: fears I never even knew I had until now, to

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Speaker 1: confront them and find beauty in them. Maybe joining me

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Speaker 1: today at the Wonderful Women of the Night Call podcast Molly,

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Speaker 1: Tess and Emily. So, could you guys go around and

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Speaker 1: introduce yourself so people will get a feel for your voices. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm Molly Lambert and sitting next to me, Emily Orshida

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Speaker 1: and sitting next to me, Tess Witch, and I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: next to Katie. That's and that's me. I'm Katie. People

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Speaker 1: can't keep our voices clear you Sometimes I can't either. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it gets so so good luck to everybody out there

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Speaker 1: hiring us for the first time. Well, you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to recognize my voice by the terrible things that come

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Speaker 1: out of it. So in this section I did want

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Speaker 1: to say. I usually name my sections, but I don't

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Speaker 1: always say what they are. But this time I'm really

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Speaker 1: proud of it. I call this section what is this

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Speaker 1: a horror movie for ants? Because we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the most horrible things that can

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Speaker 1: happen to you if you're an aunt. So, do you

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Speaker 1: guys remember the Peter Jackson movie Brain Dead or Dead Alive?

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Speaker 1: Peter jeekson before he made Lord of the Springs. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to make some zombies. Uh he has. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a zombie movie. It's like someone gets bitten by

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Speaker 1: And there's this fame scene where this woman is pregnant

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Speaker 1: I mean that classic Peter Jackson. Yeah, that's how I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what giving birth is. Right. Well, a tiny fly,

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. It's called uri Plaidia nana keihaldy. It's

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Speaker 1: of a baby to lure people deep into the woods.

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Speaker 1: So that's been interesting. I've always thought of Bigfoot is

426
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: more of like a big old hippie. Yeah, totally off

427
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: the grid, off the grid, live in their life. And

428
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: then another spirit is the Windigo, and it is from

429
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: the folklore of Algonkian people's in the Nova, Scotia, Eastern

430
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: and Great Lakes areas of Canada, and it's associated with

431
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: sort of like winter starvation, and it's either a monster

432
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: or a spirit who can possess humans. And it's influenced

433
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: as is evil acts such as cannibalism, murder, greed, and

434
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: environmental destruction, or conversely, it is sort of summoned or

435
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: created by these evil acts, and in some stories it

436
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: can mimic the cry of a person or child in

437
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: need of help, which is really creepy. Did you guys

438
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: see that video game Until Dawn? It had the Window

439
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Goes in it and probably not accurately represented to be fair,

440
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: but they do have a scene where the window Goes

441
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: lures a character by pretending to be a girl crying

442
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: for help, and then if you go, you get the capitata.

443
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: The window goes pretty famous, right, because it's there's an

444
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: often Nash problem about the wind to go. And then

445
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I think it's also in Um Creatures of the lumber Wood. Well,

446
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: this does a lot of it has to do with

447
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: people becoming cannibals. They would say they had when to

448
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: go fever, when to go psychosis, Yeah, which I think

449
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: is also that's a pretty controversial topic because a lot

450
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: of that is basically like white people coming in and

451
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: sentially misunderstanding the culture and the folklore and sort of

452
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: just like giving this label to things like well, there's

453
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: a wonder goo secret. And I think one thing that's

454
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: interesting is in a lot of stories it is sort

455
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: of like a metaphor, so it's like a conceptual representation

456
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: of human greed and gluttony and evil acts. So it's

457
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: not always meant to be taken literally as a as

458
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: a physical creature. There are some stories in which it

459
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: is a physical creature which is like a gaunt, gray skinned,

460
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: skeletal like slender man creature, but in a lot of

461
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: cases it's almost like a manifestation of our evil and

462
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: sort of this um both spiritual or metaphorical sense, which

463
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: I think is interesting. And I think it is interesting

464
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: this idea that this it still has that myth of

465
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: like a fake cry for help, and I think that

466
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like um in all of these stories, this idea

467
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: that we could be taken advantage by one of our

468
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: greatest features, which are is our empathy for the helpless,

469
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: especially helpless baby, and that sort of chilling juxtaposition of

470
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: like a crying baby and a predator is really scary,

471
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: and I have to wonder if there's something Now, I

472
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have any strictly like solid evidence

473
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: for this, but I do wonder if, like deep in

474
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: our evolutionary history, if we had these fears of some predator,

475
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: like a big cat, because I know jaguars and some

476
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: of these big cats also use similar methods to lure

477
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Speaker 1: and pray. Like if we kind of have this this

478
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: fear of something imitating our young and then luring us

479
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: out and then preying on us, and I don't know,

480
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: that's fast. Maybe it's also kind of a warning against

481
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: making like having empathy become a vulnerability, or or the

482
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: fear that like by taking care of someone else that

483
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: you could put yourself, you can neglect your own needs

484
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: to put yourself in danger kind of thing. Yeah, because

485
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: that the evil, evil baby, the baby crying and you

486
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: walk towards it, and it's a trap. It's just it's

487
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: almost ubiquitous in every human culture, so so many stories. Yeah,

488
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: what if baby Yoda is really a parasite? Oh? I

489
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: like that. I like that theory. You don't know anything

490
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: we are. It is a cultural parasite because I cannot step.

491
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: You can't spit and not hit a baby Yoda. You know,

492
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: like you can't take two steps without tripping over baby

493
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Yoda on these social media is. The thing about baby

494
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: Yoda too, is there's just one of them. But if

495
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: there were like a million, there were a million baby

496
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: Yodas washed up on a beach, I'll be frightened. We

497
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: would be frightened. I mean, like they have telekinetic powers,

498
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: they have the force, which you know is presented as good.

499
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: But it's a baby. As soon as it gets mad,

500
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: she's gonna smash you around like a like a big

501
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: old rattle. The only reason we're not scared of baby

502
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Yodas that we're led to believe he's a wise baby

503
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: because he's Yoda. Yeah, I mean he's got those little wrinkles.

504
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of life. I mean, babies do

505
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: come out really wrinkly. They look like old people. Yeah,

506
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: my brother came out as a little little wrinkly looked.

507
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: He had that cute old man face when he came out.

508
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: But he either premature or late, do you know? He

509
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: was not I wouldn't say late, but he came out

510
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: a little later than his due date. I came out

511
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: a little earlier than my due date, but I was

512
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: a big old chunker. Yeah, because sometimes I think it's

513
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: mostly in babies who were born pastor I'm both of

514
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: mine were, But so I don't know if if this is,

515
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, a general thing. But their skin peels off

516
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: just like a fun surprise, nobody prepares you, and then

517
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks after bringing your baby home,

518
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: they molts like a snake. Who I didn't know about that?

519
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Neither did I molding from a larva to its exactly?

520
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Are you ever afraid they're going to molt again? Maybe

521
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: it would be afraid. I also wonder if this fear

522
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: of means so that this fear of cats imitating baby

523
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: cries or sorry, it's not of cats, but maybe we

524
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: should be afraid of cats mimicking baby cries because there

525
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: have been some studies that suggest that cats manipulate their

526
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: cries to sound more like babies. Have you guys heard

527
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: this Siamese cats, right? I think it's all cats, but

528
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: there they may be especially good at it, and their

529
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: cries share a similar frequency as babies, human babies, human

530
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: baby I choose to believe this because my one of

531
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: my cast has been keeping me up all night every

532
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: night making imaginary baby sounds. Yeah. And they also the

533
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: researchers found that when they compare normal cats sounds to

534
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: like the cat sounds that seem to be closer to

535
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: a baby cry. Uh, people give more urgency to the

536
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: ones that sound like a baby cry and show more anxieties.

537
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: So you may want to like feed your cat more

538
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: when it's crying like a baby. Cat does that exactly

539
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: as the funk out of me, which one drags all

540
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: are weasy? Maybe need a baby? She can do it right.

541
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: She goes up in frequency when she's trying to get

542
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: me to feed her at night. When I'm like, she's

543
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: trying to sound like a baby. Maybe it does sound

544
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: like a baby. And then I'm always like, oh my god,

545
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: imagine what a real baby is like. If a cat

546
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: this manipulated? And well, I wonder if they if it

547
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: is like an evolutionary thing where I mean, the logical

548
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: conclusion is that then cats learned to talk like the dogs. Stella,

549
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: who's pressing those buttons where I have a lot of doubt,

550
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: but I choose to believe that that dog but if

551
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: these so, if these margarie cats, which the observational studies

552
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: have seemed to indicate that they're learning it from their

553
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: maternal the maternal cats and the mother cat passes it

554
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: on to her children and then they learn this skill.

555
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: So I wonder if domesticated cats have learned this over time,

556
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: and it's sort of um, it could be evolutionary. It

557
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: could be that we selected for like the cats that

558
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: were able to cry like babies, we kept more because

559
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: we were more distressed and fed them more. I think

560
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: that's very possible. But maybe the originally like some cats

561
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: just kind of figured this out and then they passed

562
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: those those genes or that knowledge onto the other cats.

563
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: I always think it's interesting how like domesticated pets, it's

564
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: like the opposite of evolution because you're like selecting for

565
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: patheticism instead of like actually actually being able to survive.

566
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: If I mean it works, they have survived, they're highly successful.

567
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Dogs are more successful than wolves as of now. Yeah,

568
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: but I do wonder if, like, because we have this

569
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: folklore about creepy, creepy baby crying being a trap, like

570
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's it's our this like instinct telling

571
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: us that the cats are trying to take advantage of us,

572
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: like like warning bells. Like those cats, they're trying to

573
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: get us all listen. We just don't. We don't know

574
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: where the sources the cats were the what's it called

575
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: the the boo back the whole time. As humans, we

576
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: seem to have a particularly strong negative response to imitators.

577
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: The uncanny valley. Something we talk about frequently on the

578
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: show is that graph that depicts one's feelings towards a

579
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: fake image of a person. When the image is cartoonish,

580
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: like Charlie Brown, we're pretty comfortable. We get more and

581
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: more comfortable with the image the more human it gets,

582
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: until suddenly something changes. When the image becomes a little

583
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: too human like but not quite realistic enough, like an

584
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: animatronic face or c g I nightmare like that Dead

585
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: Eyed the Polar Express movie. Our comfort suddenly plummets into

586
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: the uncanny valley until the image becomes realistic enough to

587
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: pass is human. Instinctively, we reject things that look similar

588
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: but aren't quite right in terms of being human. Similarly,

589
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: we're very afraid of body snatchers, and this is exemplified

590
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: by Capgrass syndrome. Capgrass syndrome occurs when there's a disconnect

591
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: between the amygdala and the part of our brain that

592
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: processes faces. This can be a result of brain damage,

593
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: such as that which occurs after a stroke. This causes

594
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: you to think that a loved one or friend has

595
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: been replaced by an impostor. You see their face, you

596
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: recognize them, but there's a disconnect between their face and

597
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: the emotional feeling of familiarity you normally feel. Therefore, that

598
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: person feels wrong to you, and your reason that this

599
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: must be because they've been replaced. There's even a disorder

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00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: that can make you believe that an entire location has

601
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: been duplicated. Reduplicative paramnesia is a delusion resulting from frontal

602
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: lobe damage that causes you to think that a location

603
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: has either been duplicated or has been removed and relocated

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00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: to a new place. For example, if you're in your

605
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: house right now, you might think that this is a

606
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: duplicated house, exactly the same in every way, except it's

607
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: in a different city. Re leading theory on how this

608
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: has caused is that damage to the busy of spatial cortex,

609
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: the part of the brain that processes visual and spatial information,

610
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: causes a disconnect between this visual spatial information and memory.

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00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: When we return, we'll talk about a whole lot of fears,

612
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: about a whole lot of holes. Will be right back now.

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00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: In this section, I'm going to tell you not to

614
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: google something, so you will be spared a pretty gross image,

615
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: but inevitably a lot of you will google it. I

616
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: know I see you, but it's not your fault, and

617
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: to be honest, i'd do it too. This is morbid curiosity,

618
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: where we know we won't like to see an image,

619
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: but some strange force compels us to look. Researchers have

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00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: looked at morbid curiosity and have revealed some seemingly paradoxical findings. Often,

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00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: the stronger reaction you have to morbid topics, the more

622
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: likely you'll be curious about these morbid topics. Those that

623
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: have a stronger physiological reaction to morbid news were also

624
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: those who had reported to survey greater morbid curiosity, and

625
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: in general, research has shown that people prefer to view

626
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: morbid images more than neutral ones, especially morbid images that

627
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: depict socially negative content, such as a war scene. Another

628
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: study found that the stronger your fear of terrorism, the

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Speaker 1: more likely you are to view violent images associated with terrorism.

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00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: So sometimes our fear seems to drive us towards viewing

631
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: images as if we think that viewing them will give

632
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: us useful information to avoid our fears. Instead, these images

633
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: likely form a feedback loop where we may perceive our

634
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: fears as more likely, which is called confirmation bias. But

635
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: sometimes the reaction to fear is avoidance, such as is

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00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: often the case with phobias and the phobia were about

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: to discuss maybe one of the most difficult ones to

638
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Speaker 1: avoid completely. So do you guys know about triple phobia? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

639
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about it all night. Call a little bit.

640
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: It's the fear of holes. Yes, it's a fear or

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00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: aversion to clusters of small holes or lumps. Even the

642
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: word cluster just kind of gave me over. Was the

643
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: clusters or clusters so close to holes? Do any of

644
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you guys fall anywhere on that spectrum of tripophobia? Yeah, definitely, Yeah,

645
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm fine with them. I don't care. Yeah, I'm actually

646
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to me, although I've got a warny

647
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: as some of the content and this is it goes

648
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: beyond just tripophobia into total gross out. What if I

649
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: show you that picture of a lotus pod where they

650
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: photoshopped it onto a breast. Yeah, I've seen that one.

651
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: So they so a lotus pod is it's the dried

652
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: seed pot of a of a lotus plant, and it

653
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: has all these little holes that the seeds are in,

654
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Speaker 1: and that's a common trigger for people with triple phobia.

655
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: And some sadist photoshops that picture of the seed pot

656
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: onto a breast and so it looks like the breast

657
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: has a bunch of holes in it. What's crazy, though,

658
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: is if you actually look at the anatomy of the breast,

659
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the milk ducts do look like a bunch of little

660
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: clusters of little balls. So it's like inside the breast,

661
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: it is horrible. But but yeah, that is cool or

662
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: cool or really cool. That's that's right. This show is

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Speaker 1: about embracing our fears and loving them and all of

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Speaker 1: our holes and seed pods. So things like seed pods, sponges,

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00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: seeds and fruit and even soap bubbles can trigger chip

666
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: a phobia and it can cause panic attack like symptoms

667
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: and people who have it. So it ranges from just

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Speaker 1: a version well I don't want to say just a

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Speaker 1: version of version can be a real serious thing, but

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Speaker 1: it can range from mild aversion to strong aversion to

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Speaker 1: full on panic attack. A panic attack is an autonomic

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Speaker 1: nervous system response that can be really hard to control.

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Speaker 1: So this phobia, as there are a lot of phobias,

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00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: is associated with O c D. I have O c D.

675
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't actually have triple phobia at all, but I

676
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: can't see how it's connected. I remember when I was

677
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: a kid when something would gross me out, like I

678
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: had a phobia of mummies, and I would seem patterns

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00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: of mummies and everything like beef jerky, kind of like

680
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: crusty bread. I would imagine that's like a mummified thing,

681
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: and I couldn't eat um. They were dead beef jerky.

682
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: What's not to hate? I thought it was cool. I

683
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: was really into mummies. Yeah, so did some of my

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Speaker 1: some some of my peers in sixth grade, and they

685
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: like to torture me with pictures of mummies. Yeah yeah,

686
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Speaker 1: Well you know, was it like the wrapped up mummy

687
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: or just the body, the desiccated body, all of it,

688
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean all of it was bad. It was all bad.

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00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: It's like a terrible present. Okay, you get out of here.

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Cause of tripophobia isn't fully understood, but there are theories.

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Speaker 1: So one theory is that it's an evolution nary biological

692
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: reflex similar to seeing images of spiders and snakes, which

693
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: is sort of a are kind of an adaptation we

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00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: have where we are automatically scared of certain things that

695
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: are typically bad for us, and it is possibly an

696
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: oversensitive alarm to try to avoid disease or parasites. If

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Speaker 1: I have any audience members out there who have triple phobia,

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Speaker 1: this is the part where you might wanna skip ahead

699
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: of I'll probably either just skip the rest of it

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Speaker 1: because we're near the end of the episode, or if

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00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: you want to hear the last bit I'll give you

702
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: in the show notes, I'll say where you can come

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Speaker 1: back in. But yeah, this is gonna be a little gross.

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00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I'll give people a grace period to fiddle with their phones.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys doing today? Well, nobody full of holes. Well,

706
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: if you if you have to tap out, just just

707
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: pass out and we'll drag you out of the room.

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00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: So an example of a disease that both triggs triple

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Speaker 1: phobia and maybe sort of like um where these kinds

710
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: of fears may have come from sort of in our

711
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: evolutionary it's the mango worm and it is also known

712
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: as Corteleobia anthropophagia, which means in human eater um. It

713
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: is found mostly in East and Central Africa, and usually

714
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: you get infected by coming into contact with contaminated soil

715
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: or dirty bedding UH sometimes contaminated with like fecal matter,

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00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: and the mango worm fly larva can burrow into the

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Speaker 1: skin of animals and including humans, and if you get

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Speaker 1: an infection of more than one larva, it looks like

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00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: a cluster of bumps or small holes that have the

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Speaker 1: larva in them, and it can infect humans. It also

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Speaker 1: infects dogs, which is there's Yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: pictures again and I told you into in the intro

723
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Speaker 1: not to google it. I know a lot of not

724
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: looking this one up. Yeah, I know a lot of

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00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: you are going to google it. It's truly very gross.

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00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: Just her phone. It's something where I'm not even gonna

727
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: include a picture in the show notes, just so nobody

728
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: does an accidental click. But yeah, you can easily google it.

729
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: It's just really disturbing. And it's the ones where it's

730
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: like the infected puppies is pretty bad too. It's just

731
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: like puppies. But oh, I see, Yeah, it's the removal

732
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: that you really want to move avoid. It's all of it,

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, but yeah, the removal is especially bad.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I have a high tolerance for parasite photos

735
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: medical photos, but even this grosses me out. So I

736
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: really like, if you have any kind of sensitivity, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to show you. Guys a picture wasn't

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Speaker 1: what I thought you were going to say either. I

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Speaker 1: thought you're gonna talk about prions. Prions like in the brain. Yeah,

740
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: those little holes in the brain. Yeah, that is true.

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00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: That's another one. That's why you can't be accountable because

742
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: it makes you get brain prions. Yeah. Well, so you

743
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: can't eat like, if you eat other brains, not just

744
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: of humans, but other animals, like, you can still get

745
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that's why we can't eat brains and my zombies brains. Yeah. Um,

746
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: but I think that's interesting too because it says to

747
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: me that it's not like like sometimes when you're repulsed

748
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: by something like that, where you're like, oh, I shouldn't

749
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: eat a person's brain. It is because your body can

750
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: be good for you. Otherwise everybody just would Yeah, it's true.

751
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: We would all just do it, wouldn't we um. But

752
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: so the an infection by mango worms isn't typically fatal

753
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: for people, but it can cause like a serious infection,

754
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: and it can be fatal for small animals. One of

755
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: the more creative ways of treating it is by plugging

756
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: up the larva holes with petroleum jelly, which suffocates the

757
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: larva and then they come out as and surface so

758
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: they can breathe, which is yeah, terrible. Don't look it up.

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00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: We just kind of they look like little barley things. Yeah,

760
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: they look like regular maggots. Basically, they look like maggots

761
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: that live in your skin. I mean, if you want

762
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: me to paint a picture, it's like a bunch of

763
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: holes or but it's like a bunch of bumps. And

764
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: then like when they come out of the skin, it's

765
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: like a bunch of holes with maggots. And it's like

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00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the load seed pod. It's like the loadus seed pod,

767
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: but with magats. You know what, it also looks like

768
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm just going to say you know that, like,

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Speaker 1: have you guys ever been targeted by the ad of

770
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: that like sticker you put on pimples. The ad is

771
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: really horrible because it's one of those squeezy balls with

772
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: like gel and it's so it's just a bunch of

773
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: like like the stress ball, Like yeah, it's got it's

774
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: a stress ball. The net over it and you squeeze

775
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: it and like all the things. Yeah, so I was

776
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: so like put off that I was being targeted by

777
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: these things. It was like, well, how much do you

778
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: know about my complexion? But it looks it also kind

779
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: of looks like that where it's like a like raised

780
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: lump with like I see you guys on your phone.

781
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to resist, try not to lose. We painted

782
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: a picture. Yeah, it's very good. It's like you may

783
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: be curious what you're going to find if you look

784
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: up images of mango worms is exactly what I've described.

785
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: It's very gross. It's just very great. I'm not like

786
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: that put off by this one. I am because I

787
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: just feel so bad for those puppies. Yeah, it's really

788
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: How round are the holes? This is actually a big

789
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: part of my interesting I think I'd say they're fairly

790
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: round because they are like more afraid if they're round,

791
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: they're perfectly round. The more kind of uncanny it feels

792
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: because it's a perfect circle, because it's like it's it's

793
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: as if some kind of higher consciousness has decided to

794
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: afflict you with this disease. That's interesting. Yeah, maybe the

795
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: regularity is part of it because that indicates not just

796
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: sort of a randomized wound, but an infection of multiple organisms.

797
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: It's similar size and shape. They look like they're pretty round,

798
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: but that there's in most of the pictures there it's

799
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: like they're inflame. So the inflammation is yeah, I mean,

800
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: I I had one. I was terrified once when I

801
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: was like eight years old or something because for some

802
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: reason I was sitting waiting in the car for my

803
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: mom and the front window had started to fog, and

804
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there was something on the window where

805
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the fog like it would fog up but except for

806
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: these little perfect circles, And when my mom came back

807
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: to the car, it was like freaking out and crying

808
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: because I couldn't deal with the little circles on the

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00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: window very I mean, that's the common thing that's like

810
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: part of it is like seeing soap bubbles because of

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00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: the regular shape of the soap bubbles. It's like your brain.

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00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's an um, not as an insult,

813
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: but just that your your brain has an over sensitivity

814
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: where it's like picking up the signal of a bunch

815
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: of holes, and it's seeing that pattern outside of the

816
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: context in which it would be useful, like where a

817
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: useful context was would be like you look at your arm,

818
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of holes there. That's good. But you

819
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: know so bubbles are okay. But it's it's an over

820
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: generalization of a dangerous pattern that we know, we somehow know, like, yeah,

821
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: that's not good to have, like what looks like an

822
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: infection by these flies. But then you're you're just like

823
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: your your brain is trying to warn you when it

824
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: doesn't need to. But for polka dots, those don't do

825
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: anything for me. Word, I don't like them. What about

826
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: like a bee hive? With that is it? The behives

827
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: are okay? Although when I think about bee hives a

828
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: little too hard or start to get freaked out. I

829
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: think it's like if there's holes in something that's supposed

830
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: to have holes in it, that's not scary, Like the

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00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: top of a salt shaker isn't scary or well, So

832
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Speaker 1: I now want to talk about how this affects this

833
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: poor caterpillar that gets infected with Glipto Pantelis wasp larva.

834
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Speaker 1: And this is a case in which the caterpillar probably

835
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: should have shiptophobia because it's a horrible thing that happens

836
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: to these little guys. And the glipped to pantales wasp

837
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Speaker 1: lives in North America, Central America, and New Zealand, and

838
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: female glipped to Pantalies wasps inject their eggs up to

839
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Speaker 1: eighty eggs into the bodies of caterpillars. The eggs develop

840
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: and grow and they feed on the insides of the caterpillar,

841
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: but they don't kill the caterpillar, at least not yet,

842
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: because they're taking care not to eat its vital organs,

843
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: which is actually it's unusual, but it's not unheard of

844
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: amongst parasites to do that where they will You're you're okay,

845
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: did you just look up a photo? I told you,

846
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: I told you, it's not gross. It's just like it

847
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: triggers something. Yeah, I just don't like it at all.

848
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: She wouldn't. So the the eggs continue to grow, not

849
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: eating vital organs. So the caterpillars still alive, and the

850
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: caterpillar starts to bloat up like a horrible water balloon

851
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: filled with nightmares. And eventually what Emily is currently freaking

852
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: out about is that dozens and dozens and dozens of

853
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: these little things will burst from the caterpillar's body in

854
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: a horrible spectacle. So I'll show you gut. Do you

855
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: guys want to see it? I mean, Emily already did that,

856
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: so Emily, you don't have to see it here. It

857
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: is alright, alright, alright, okay, okay, okay, al right, everyone,

858
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: all right, and we need to take I mean, speaking

859
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: of scary stories in the dark like that, that was

860
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: the worst one for me about the woman with the spiders. Weirdly,

861
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: that image just not freaking out as much as the

862
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: spider babies when the mom spider has the babies all

863
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: over its back. That one is the scariest. But I

864
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: also thought that one is a sweet story of motherhood

865
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: and this one is a horrible story of parasites. It

866
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: is sweet, and I want to overcome whatever internal you know,

867
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: bias against having spiders I have. So Molly's talking about

868
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: is often spiders scorpions will do this to certain since

869
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: the scorpions one also, I think it's something about a

870
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: million tiny things on one. Well, the babies, the newly

871
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: hatched babies will just hang out on their mother's back

872
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: for protection for a while. So it's this big cluster

873
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: of little spider babies and little scorpion babies just kind

874
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: of hanging out on their backs, just like an adult

875
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: sized Yoda covered in baby. Yeah. Oddly enough, these parasitic

876
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: wasp larva bursting out the caterpillar do not kill it.

877
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: The caterpillar is still alive, and the the larva actually

878
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: they help keep the caterpillar alive, doing this really gruesome

879
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: surgical hap dash job where they leave behind they molt

880
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: as they come out of the caterpillar, and they leave

881
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: behind their exoskeleton which plugs up all the whole which

882
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: prevents the caterpillar from bleeding to the whoa, So they

883
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: like form a scat. They leave scabs basically. Yeah, so

884
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: as it's it's functionally it's just the function of like

885
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: as they're popping out of the caterpillar as they're molting,

886
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: so they leave behind that the multidexo skeleton that basically

887
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: plugs up the caterpillar's wounds and so, but they're still

888
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: not done with this. Poor freaking caterpillars. So, the the

889
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: wasp larva want to grow into wasps, and to do

890
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: that they have to weave a protective cocoon. And while

891
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: they're in this cocoon, they're very vulnerable to predation. The

892
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: caterpillar will help the wasp lava out by weaving its

893
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: own silk cocoon around them, and it will stand watch

894
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: over the larva and protect them until it's very last breath.

895
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: And you might be thinking, why would the caterpillar do this, Like,

896
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: what's in it for the caterpillar? The answer is nothing's

897
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: in it for the caterpillar. The caterpillar is being controlled

898
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: from the end side by a couple of these larva

899
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: who are taking one for the team for the rest

900
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: of the larva by staying inside the caterpillar head and um. Basically,

901
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: they are mind controlling the caterpillar, as a lot of

902
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: parasites do. And I don't know what the exact I'm

903
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: not even sure we know yet what the precise mechanism

904
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: is of how they control the caterpillar's brain, but often

905
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: which what is the cases, they have some kind of

906
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: chemical excretion that changes the balance of neurotransmitters in the

907
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: caterpillar's brain, and then that causes some behavior to to

908
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: go off or to become exaggerated. So, like cocoon weaving

909
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: is a regular behavior for the caterpillar, so it'll weave

910
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: this cocoon in a context that doesn't make sense. As

911
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: for attacking predators, that like staying watch over the larva

912
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: and attacking predators that come near. That is such a

913
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: bizarre caterpillar behavior. I don't know how they do that.

914
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But yeah, so the caterpillar becomes a zombie

915
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: bodyguard who attacks any predators who want to snack on

916
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: or attack the larva, and it greatly increases the chance

917
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: that the larva will develop into fully grown wasps, and

918
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: the caterpillar will eventually starve to death full of plugged

919
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: up larva holes. Totally thankless job. It's really sad it is,

920
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's your zombie bodyguard and nanny that just

921
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: eventually dies. Yeah, it feels like some kind of I

922
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: can't I can't fill in all the blanks, but it

923
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: feels like some kind of metaphor about like Um, like

924
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: all weeklies or something. Um, that's brutal, poor caterpillar. Well

925
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: do you guys want to do some palate cleansers. So

926
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: welcome back to everyone who has skipped ahead. Um, we

927
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: talked about horrible things. I hate this, um, so uh,

928
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: first first pout, Actually it's just a news item, and

929
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: then I got a couple of cool messages on Instagram

930
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. So the news item is. Uh.

931
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: The Audibon Society came out with an article asking the

932
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: tough question of what is a burb? And they try

933
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: to define what a burb is. And I'm very very

934
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: grateful to this article because they attribute the coining of

935
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: the term burb to my proverb rights account, which I

936
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: had thought I had coined it, and I remember, I

937
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: remember being the first one to do it, and I

938
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: am just thrilled to finally get media recognition to my

939
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: contribution to society. So this is a self promotion tour

940
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: where I go around bragging about how I invented the

941
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: word bourb and I think I mowed like I've million

942
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: dollars and right yeah, I'm crunching the numbers right now.

943
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: That sounds very cool. So I'm rich now apparently. Um, so, yeah,

944
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: that's thank you Audubon Society. That's pretty great. I think

945
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: the so I can help out a little bit with

946
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: the science of what a bourb is versus a bird.

947
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: They try to kind of define like, okay, what's a

948
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: burb what's just a regular bird? Correctly, they're saying like

949
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: if the bird is too big like an an Ostrich

950
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: and Ostrich isn't a bourb um. But there's another thing,

951
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: which is that the roundness quotation of the bird is

952
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: directly correlated with how much of a bourb it is,

953
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: so that that's a helpful tool as well. I also

954
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: got a couple of cool messages on Instagram. First of all,

955
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Instagram user Ali water Windows is a food scientist, and

956
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: she wanted to talk about the recent episode Leftovers where

957
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: we talked about the movie The Killer Shrews, where so

958
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: in this this b horror movie, scientists try to make

959
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: giant food to in a world hunger, but they accidentally

960
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: make giant shrews whoops us. So, so we were we

961
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: had briefly talked about, you know, why why you would

962
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: make giant food, you know, and we we talked about

963
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: that that there's that other movie that had Matt Damon

964
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: in it where they shrink people down to try to

965
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: what was it called the Shrinkable Matt Damon? What was

966
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: that movie called? Remember it's this is going to drive

967
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: Me crazy? Yeah, I mean I saw it wasn't as

968
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: bad as people said Alexander Payne movie downsizing. Yeah. So

969
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: this is from Instagram user all I want our windows,

970
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: She says, Hey, I listened to the Leftovers episode and

971
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: got so psycked because I love Creature feature and I

972
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: love Savers. I had Savers hosts on the show. So

973
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: she says, I had to weigh in on the shrinking

974
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: issue because it's a fun thought experiment. With our understanding

975
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: of electron fields and how we believe at this point

976
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: that much solid matter is actually full of empty space,

977
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: it stands to reason that if we developed shrink technology,

978
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: it would simply condense our electron orbits and not reduce

979
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: our mass. So by shrinking ourselves, we could do agriculture

980
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: on a much smaller scale and feed more people by

981
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: producing the same more food in a tiny space. But conversely,

982
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: the challenge of enlarging things seems like much more advanced

983
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: and complicated technology. Since matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

984
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: And an enlarging machine would theoretically expand the electron orbits

985
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: of the subject, and that seems problematic to their structure

986
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: and integrity. And an enlarged hypothetical strawberry wouldn't have any

987
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: more calories than it had when it was normal sized,

988
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: So all that effort of inventing that technology gives you

989
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: no increase in harvest and yield. And then she says,

990
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: thanks for humoring me, thanks for sending my mind down

991
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: a physics wormhole. Hope you see this. I did. I

992
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: don't have Twitter, and I don't wasn't sure how to

993
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: contact you. Well you sure did contact me. It worked. Um,

994
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so she that is I think a

995
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: really good point that she brings up. Question then, is

996
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: like a genetically modified apple or strawberries, you know, like

997
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: when like there's obviously like GMO strawberries that are gigantic,

998
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: is that the same amount of calories as like an

999
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: organic No, because I think that in that case, it

1000
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: is the cellular growth of the apple has been modified,

1001
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: so there is more calories. It's just a hypothetical growth rate,

1002
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: like you do a growth right right, right? Yeah, I

1003
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: mean like in any domesticated food and animals, we can

1004
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: futs with their genes such that they grow beyond their

1005
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: normal size, so like chickens, broiler chickens have Basically we've

1006
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: shut off some of the jeans that say, hey, stop growing,

1007
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: that's enough, So they grow these like huge muscles that

1008
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: we then eat and it's horrifying. But yeah, so that's likes.

1009
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: I got this message from Samantha regarding our recent episode

1010
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: it's called out Remember to Breathe through your Butt, where

1011
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: we talked about fluffy horses and how horses are measured

1012
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: using hands. And I'm not a horse person, so I

1013
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: was I didn't know much about how you measure horses.

1014
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: Apparently you measure in hands from the withers of the horse,

1015
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: which is like the ridge along the neck. And I

1016
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: asked on the show, why don't you use a measuring stick?

1017
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Our horses afraid of measuring sticks. So this is Samantha,

1018
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: she says, horse girl here, been listening for a while,

1019
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: finally had information to add the hand measurements is only

1020
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: in North America. Actually, the rest of the world still

1021
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: likes to use cinemeters. We do the top of the

1022
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: shoulders as it is the highest point stays consistent as

1023
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: the head and neck goes up and down. And lots

1024
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: of horses are not a fan of our measuring sticks,

1025
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: even the ones with the hand measurements. I love the

1026
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: foesy pony facts. I had no idea about their special blood.

1027
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: It is a fact I plan on sharing. Thank you

1028
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: for all your hard work. And then I asked her

1029
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: why aren't horses a fan of measuring sticks, and she said,

1030
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: horses are prey animals, so most of them are spooky

1031
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: by nature. That is what kept them alive. Plus they

1032
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: actually have nerve endings up in their weather area that

1033
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: keeps them from moving forward, so it is a kill spot.

1034
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: And mail horces stallions will grab there when they mount

1035
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: us for breeding, so that is super interesting. Samantha really

1036
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I had no idea that the withers was

1037
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: such a sort of sensitive subject for horses. And I

1038
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: guess like, if if I think about it, if some

1039
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: like creature that wanted to ride me came at me

1040
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: with a yard stick, I'd be kind of piste off

1041
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: to let me put it on and put it in

1042
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: my withers area. That's a that's a personal area. The Withers.

1043
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: So do you guys have anything to plug. We've got

1044
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: our podcast just Nightcall, Nightcall. I was just on that podcast.

1045
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: UM check it out. We did a little pod exchange

1046
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: she did when where's right here? On the How Stuff Network.

1047
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: I haven't moved from this chair and over two hours

1048
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: I think we've been here on No, don't give anybody

1049
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: a peek behind the curtain face. We are in the

1050
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: information void. And we're all on social media too, which

1051
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: is the same thing. But I met Emily Yoshida on Twitter.

1052
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm Mr tes Lynch, I'm Molly Lambert. They you guys

1053
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: so much for joining me. This has been excellent. So

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Speaker 1: if you want to send me message, it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be horses and giant strawberries. Whatever you want. On

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Speaker 1: Instagram or Twitter. It's Creature feature pod on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: Creature Feet pod on Twitter. That's f e A T,

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Speaker 1: not f e E T. That's something very different. In fact,

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Speaker 1: exciting news. There is now a creature feet pod. I

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Speaker 1: did not create this. This is someone else and apparently

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Speaker 1: it is full of creature feet. So check that one

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Speaker 1: out too. Uh, thank you guys so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: My New Year's resolutionists to keep making episodes for you

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Speaker 1: and to collect more worms to please the Queen worm

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Speaker 1: who's controlling my brain. One way you guys could really

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Speaker 1: help is by subscribing, downloading episodes, leaving me a nice

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Speaker 1: rating and review, or leaving me some worms. I Love Worms.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to the Space Classics for their super slimy scormy song.

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Speaker 1: X Alumina Creature features a production of I Heart Radios

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows. See your next Wormsday

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Speaker 1: I mean Wednesday. Thank you so good, Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much.