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Speaker 1: Star in Preschool Elliott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey's Spagnola and
Speaker 1: a shake of the head from Rob Phillips. And hello everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Talking Cowboys. Along with Brian
Speaker 1: brought us And I wonder if Brian would love to
Speaker 1: be a baseball scout with the draft going on, and
Speaker 1: what would it How different would it be if the
Speaker 1: NFL could draft high school players? So I don't know
Speaker 1: how different. I guarantee you there'll be a lot more
Speaker 1: missus in the first round than they are right now.
Speaker 1: But this is the third week of OTA's Maybe Bo Jackson,
Speaker 1: herschel Walker high school players that you would consider. Sure,
Speaker 1: somebody else's Lebron James. He could have done it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a guy who didn't he physically mature.
Speaker 1: I mean he could have could have played tight ensny football.
Speaker 1: I was seeing any NBA. Yeah, that's like, Yeah, he's already.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of eighteen year old guys that
Speaker 1: are like they're men already. And that's why schel Walker,
Speaker 1: that's why that rules in place. In college football, it
Speaker 1: would be the biggest disaster, just like the NBA Draft
Speaker 1: when you have children trying to play a man's game,
Speaker 1: even more so in football though. And yes, and if
Speaker 1: you look at the history of this baseball draft, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty much a disaster in the first round because
Speaker 1: you really don't know what how to project easy and
Speaker 1: a shout out to Bobby Witt Junior, who is the
Speaker 1: second pick of the draft from right here locally, Colleyville
Speaker 1: Heritage High School. And there's a kid that has all
Speaker 1: the intangibles you're looking for, but he needs to fill
Speaker 1: out a little bit before he'll be ready. Even on
Speaker 1: the baseball he've watched the Royals play. He'll be a
Speaker 1: differ before you know it's right. And as we get started,
Speaker 1: here a throwback to a Cowboys draft pick from twenty
Speaker 1: seven years ago, as the Texas Rangers drafted a player
Speaker 1: from Texas Tech. Do you remember and can you what
Speaker 1: can you tell me Mickey about Donald Harris? He was
Speaker 1: an outfielder he was an outfielder. He was a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick of the Texas Rangers thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, he was the fifth overall pick.
Speaker 1: He also played football at Texas Tech and in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two, I guess when he became football draft eligible.
Speaker 1: Three years later, he was a twelfth round draft pick
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. And he was actually playing Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball with the Rangers in the nineteen ninety two season
Speaker 1: and elected to quit playing baseball and signed with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and came to training camp in Austin, Texas, and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson cut him three weeks later, and he's back
Speaker 1: playing baseball. It didn't work out so well, did it? Something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have something to fall back on. He had baseball.
Speaker 1: They tried turning him into a safe well and he
Speaker 1: was a really good safety Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like Tech playing defense. That's right. Yeah, that's right
Speaker 1: that when Spike dis was coaching him there, Spike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Cowboys have such a cool draft history. On that note,
Speaker 1: when you go back to when there were more rounds
Speaker 1: and like texts and those guys would just take a
Speaker 1: chance on guys, you know, Pat Riley. Yep, Carl Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, you're looking for traits. Why not, this
Speaker 1: guy's an athlete. Let's see what we can what we
Speaker 1: can do. He wanted to draft Nancy Lieberman the one
Speaker 1: year had the commissioner went and let him are serious? Yes,
Speaker 1: whenever she was coming out of old dominion. So he
Speaker 1: so he they spent the draft pick on Carl Lewis
Speaker 1: us instead. Yeah, another olympian. Yeah, that's right. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we are now let's see, let's do the math on it.
Speaker 1: As we It is June fourth, and we are in
Speaker 1: the third week of OTA's and so there are seven
Speaker 1: OTA practices down, number eight going on this morning as
Speaker 1: we speak, number nine tomorrow on Wednesday, and then they
Speaker 1: got Cowboys Youth Thursday, and the three day minicamp next week.
Speaker 1: It's it's flying by. It is flying by, and you know,
Speaker 1: but the good thing about it is that that the
Speaker 1: young kids who were drafted, the undrafted guys, the guys
Speaker 1: that they brought in that you know, that they signed
Speaker 1: during the springtime, these practices and talking to some folks,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've seen a few of the practices ourselves,
Speaker 1: but talking to some folks about that. Guys are really
Speaker 1: becoming acclimated to what's going on. They're learning how to practice.
Speaker 1: Some guys are getting involved. I've been asking about Triston Hill.
Speaker 1: Triston Hill yesterday is talking some folks. Actually got some
Speaker 1: reps with the first team defense playing as the no tackle,
Speaker 1: so him and Malie Collins were able to do a
Speaker 1: little work together. So it's good to see that they're
Speaker 1: starting to get more of these guys, or they're going
Speaker 1: to get these young guys involved and give him a
Speaker 1: little look here during these OTAs and say, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's see him go up in weight class a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was kind of talking about whys the defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and you know, when you watch him play at the
Speaker 1: level that he's playing at, he's pretty good against the
Speaker 1: guys that these young offensive line in the guards, the centers,
Speaker 1: you know, McGovern and those kind of guys. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of hopefully that maybe, yeah, maybe on Wednesday
Speaker 1: they elevate him up, let him you know, like we
Speaker 1: saw the human Law. He got some opportunity last year
Speaker 1: during training camp practice to get some work with the ones,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he's playing. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for that if they throw as many
Speaker 1: of those guys out there at this time period and
Speaker 1: let them, you know, get them up in weight class
Speaker 1: a little bit, let him to see him move around,
Speaker 1: get a feel for what it's like to go against
Speaker 1: Zack Martin a couple of times, get their nose bloodied,
Speaker 1: and they'll have a better feel for how to compete
Speaker 1: when they get the pads on the summer. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know what, they know what Daniel Ross is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's been here, so you might as well put
Speaker 1: Hill in there instead of waisting snaps on on Ross's
Speaker 1: while Woods is out. Yeah, Um, might as well. You know,
Speaker 1: see if he is that versatile to play both absolutely
Speaker 1: and absolutely you know when you when they go to Nickel,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a one technique in there, you know.
Speaker 1: Put a guy in there that can rush the quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Third week is the time to do it, though, instead of,
Speaker 1: you know, that first couple of weeks, because as Brian said,
Speaker 1: they are so far behind when you think about it,
Speaker 1: I mean they literally get a crash course of a
Speaker 1: couple walkthroughs in the mini camp rookie mini camp, and
Speaker 1: then oh, here are the vets. Yeah, here's here's practice.
Speaker 1: Here's how we practice, and you've got to figure it
Speaker 1: out really on the fly. And I'm sure those first
Speaker 1: two weeks, you know, talking to those guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: they talk a good game, but you know their head
Speaker 1: is spinning. You know, it's spinning. Another guy, it's getting
Speaker 1: an opportunity to just talk to some folks. Is to
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson the corner from the University of Miami. They're
Speaker 1: they're playing him on the outside. They're also playing him
Speaker 1: on the slot. You know, with with uh with Byron
Speaker 1: Jones being out, you know, they've had a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that they've exactly so they're throwing these guys in
Speaker 1: there and letting them participate. And it's good if you know,
Speaker 1: if Michael Jackson can match up and and cover Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb and carry him all over the field a little bit,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. He's gonna
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some times where he's gonna look terrible,
Speaker 1: but there's other times that maybe he'll make a play
Speaker 1: or two and then it's like, oh wow, I just
Speaker 1: covered a Super Bowl champ wide receiver out here, and
Speaker 1: I didn't it wasn't embarrassed, So you know, I'm all
Speaker 1: for that if they can, if they can just allow
Speaker 1: these guys the opportunity to learn to grow to physically,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're gonna make mistakes. I tell you
Speaker 1: where I've really been impressed on the Wednesday practices. It
Speaker 1: seems like every Wednesday practice one of the young guys
Speaker 1: steps up at the running back spot and makes a
Speaker 1: blitz pick up, you know, and you're thinking, like, as
Speaker 1: we are putting in these this uh, this scheme, uh
Speaker 1: these plays, you know that you gotta know who you're
Speaker 1: gonna block. And if you don't block the wrong guy,
Speaker 1: if you block the wrong guy, then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: somebody killed, and you're gonna then you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: on the field anymore. So if they keep picking up
Speaker 1: the right guys, that's you know. I think that Gary
Speaker 1: Brown can can teach them to be willing to stick
Speaker 1: their nose in their place square and and kind of
Speaker 1: fight a guy off. But they have to know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And I've seen that on Wednesdays and those
Speaker 1: are types of things that are encouraging to me. Well,
Speaker 1: last week it was Webber that stepped up yeah, because
Speaker 1: they threw they they gotta they gotta. Cooper rushed through
Speaker 1: a touchdown down the right sidelines to John Vay Johnson.
Speaker 1: There's another guy that people are really ago. Bill daughter
Speaker 1: will be proud of that dad joke there. But the
Speaker 1: and thanks for listening. Man. The the uh my daughter
Speaker 1: is called may the uh. But the the I think
Speaker 1: the thing with you know this is, you know, with
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, we've talked about Cobb and then you know,
Speaker 1: and then Gallop and what those guys have been able
Speaker 1: to do. And but John by Johnson, when you're getting
Speaker 1: your tray of food at lunch, people are like, you know,
Speaker 1: John by Johnson, interesting guy. You know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: more of a buzz about him. Not that Jalen Guiton
Speaker 1: is not doing, but as far as just guys that
Speaker 1: they just as wide receivers, Cob, john by Johnson, You're like,
Speaker 1: what you know, yeah, kind about John by Johnson when
Speaker 1: you look at his numbers at Toledo and there were
Speaker 1: three guys that were well, two guys that were drafted
Speaker 1: and then John by Johnson undrafted out of Toledo wide
Speaker 1: receivers this year. And but this guy, he had one
Speaker 1: hundred twenty five catches in his career at Toledo. Twenty
Speaker 1: five touchdowns. Right, he was going touchdowns every fifth time
Speaker 1: he touched the football at Toledo. You know why. He
Speaker 1: ran a four three eight four running four three eighth.
Speaker 1: That's right, very good, Vicky, you did your homework. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what long time ago. He catches the ball well.
Speaker 1: I mean you could see, you know when you talk
Speaker 1: about young receivers and stuff and how they adapt to
Speaker 1: the pro of football, and I'll tell you what, there's
Speaker 1: some there's some balls that have been thrown high. He's
Speaker 1: made nice adjustments too. I think there's some stuff low
Speaker 1: across the middle. He's had to like put his hands
Speaker 1: underneath to catch it in run. But Mickey's right, once
Speaker 1: you get the ball in his hands, you see him
Speaker 1: get up the field and that and that part of
Speaker 1: it has been impressive. And the other guy that's run
Speaker 1: that well has been guiting. And Sanjay Law really likes him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he yeah, he likes John Vay Johnson too a lot.
Speaker 1: And he's very explosive and he carries himself almost like
Speaker 1: a vet. You know, he's like Brian mentioned train table.
Speaker 1: We see him kind of walk around. He seems like
Speaker 1: a mature guy, and I don't know if it's his pedigree.
Speaker 1: His dad was in the NFL. Dad played in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He just he just carries himself. And I know it's early,
Speaker 1: but like it's not too big for him. He's a
Speaker 1: guy really to watch as this thing unfolds, because, as
Speaker 1: Brian's has said, there's a lot of veteran receivers on
Speaker 1: this team, but there's a lot of young talent at
Speaker 1: receiver too, and it's to be really interesting to see
Speaker 1: how this thing shakes out. I talked to U Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson as well recently, and that's another guy that you
Speaker 1: can almost look at him as a rookie. Uh absolute
Speaker 1: nobody forgets about him. This is a guy that can
Speaker 1: play inside outside for you. But it's a lot of
Speaker 1: competition and not everybody's gonna make, you know, one of
Speaker 1: those five or six spots. Yeah, what do you think
Speaker 1: the hardest position going into camp is going to be
Speaker 1: for somebody a young guy to make this team? The
Speaker 1: hardest position, the hardest position for a young guy to
Speaker 1: make the for make the roster, well, offensive line, defensive line,
Speaker 1: Thinking about those undrafted guys I'm thinking about player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about I'm thinking I'm thinking about guys like
Speaker 1: you know, Jackson, the defensive end from Miami. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about guys that they picked, you know, fifth sixth round guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which also leads me to think those are our hard
Speaker 1: positions for veterans to make, veterans that make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, no, no, that's rob it. You guys
Speaker 1: are right, because this is I look at wide receivers
Speaker 1: might be the one position where even if you're a
Speaker 1: veteran guy, you might not make this team. I've kind
Speaker 1: of got Alan Hearns Pennsylvana in my mind, just in
Speaker 1: case something happens to, you know, with Gallup or a Cooper.
Speaker 1: But I think you could probably play Cobb. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to play Cobb on one
Speaker 1: of those those other those starting positions, if you got
Speaker 1: him playing in the slow especially if you're playing a
Speaker 1: lot of eleven personnel stuff. So I'm kind of thinking
Speaker 1: though that maybe Hearns, But then okay, they carry five,
Speaker 1: they carry six. I mean it might be really difficult
Speaker 1: for one of those, you know, I don't think like
Speaker 1: guys like Noah Brown, Lance Lenore a lot of competition,
Speaker 1: Devin Smith, I mean Tavon Austin. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that are in that mode right now where
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be. If they depending on where
Speaker 1: the numbers fall, I don't see how they carry seven
Speaker 1: or something like that, ridiculous. I think they if they
Speaker 1: have to carry five, if they carry six, I understand.
Speaker 1: If they carry five, it's because they had other positions
Speaker 1: that they felt even better about. And herns at a
Speaker 1: five million dollars cellary. That's true. But also but he,
Speaker 1: like I said, he they they they feel comfortable that
Speaker 1: he could be a starter. See that's something about is
Speaker 1: you don't want to sit there and go completely young
Speaker 1: on the back end and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: have to start. There's a young guy that wants down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least at least hearns, you know, he can go
Speaker 1: out there. He can make two or three catches a game,
Speaker 1: get you twenty five thirty yards maybe, and he can
Speaker 1: first down yeah, and play anywhere too, exactly. If anybody
Speaker 1: gets hurt, he can step in. He can help you
Speaker 1: in the slot too. That's a comfort level for a
Speaker 1: coaching stat That's why you don't have to. You can
Speaker 1: wait all the way to the end of training camp
Speaker 1: and see where you are health wise on right and
Speaker 1: a lot of these decisions. And the good thing about
Speaker 1: hearns now he's running pretty well. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: haven't put him out there in the in the practices,
Speaker 1: but uh, doing his rehab work, you wouldn't know that
Speaker 1: he went through the injury he went through in that
Speaker 1: playoff game. Yeah, you know, I just that's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a position it's definitely worth keep keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on because that I just feel like that maybe that's
Speaker 1: a veteran group that's gonna lose some guys because the
Speaker 1: talent behind it. His team. We talk about Johnson, we
Speaker 1: talked about Gayton. If I had to bet my money
Speaker 1: right now on a guy that would make the team,
Speaker 1: I think it would be John Bay Johnson out of that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just just what I'm kind of You've
Speaker 1: talked about the way the guys carried himself, some of
Speaker 1: the plays he's made. He looks comfortable catching the ball,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's not to say that Gaydon you
Speaker 1: can't step up and train. It's just so hell, you
Speaker 1: got to wait. Yeah, those rookie those wide receivers, they
Speaker 1: they hit a wall during camp. You could see it
Speaker 1: because they're running so much. I mean, remember how much
Speaker 1: Lance Lenora and pressed it. Oh, no question when the
Speaker 1: lights came on, no questions, Trunk, Absolutely, But you're right
Speaker 1: about Gaydon. He wears eighty three and I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: him to Terry Glenn, but I had a glimpse of
Speaker 1: him at number eighty three because of his speed and
Speaker 1: how quick he gets off the line of scrimmage, and
Speaker 1: he's an impressive town. Here's the other thing to consider
Speaker 1: when you're comparing like a John Vay Johnson to a
Speaker 1: Jalen guyden Is John v Johnson is two years older
Speaker 1: than Jalen Gaiden. I mean, when you're talking about how
Speaker 1: a guy it seems a lot more maturer and carries
Speaker 1: himself and that sort of thing. Not to say Gaydon doesn't,
Speaker 1: but I think when you look at it, you I mean,
Speaker 1: their birth dates are two weeks apart, and Gayton's two
Speaker 1: years younger than Johnson is. I didn't know that that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And Johnson has you know you mentioned his dad, Well,
Speaker 1: his cousin got drafted in the second round. He was
Speaker 1: a cornerback out of Kentucky. So there's some NFL jeans
Speaker 1: they're running through that family. But because of those guys'
Speaker 1: ability to run and because Sanjay Law loves speed, that
Speaker 1: they're going to get an opportunity and the rest of
Speaker 1: those guys better beware. Have you guys paid attention to
Speaker 1: the offensive line very much on how the backups have
Speaker 1: been playing? Have you? Have you? I have you try
Speaker 1: to pick up on what they're doing with McGovern right
Speaker 1: guard that right he's been playing, but really both guards.
Speaker 1: Then he did some centers. He had his hand on
Speaker 1: the ball like with the third team. May see, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They haven't thrown McGovern in there. It's
Speaker 1: still it's still Sue Philo, it's still redmand. You know,
Speaker 1: they haven't thrown mcgoverned. Now. I guess they threw Connor
Speaker 1: Williams in there last year because they had to throw
Speaker 1: Connor Williams in there last year. But this offensive line
Speaker 1: has kind of had a tradition or history since I've
Speaker 1: been back over here of just taking that first round
Speaker 1: guy or the secondround and throwing them in there and
Speaker 1: letting them kind of learn and be that guy I
Speaker 1: haven't noticed him doing that with McGovern yet. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen McGovern being the guy that Okay, he's running with it.
Speaker 1: He's he's the he's the first left guard or you know,
Speaker 1: or he's or they're given they're given Martin a break,
Speaker 1: they're take you know, he's the second right guard. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen them take him. Like Mickey said, it's been
Speaker 1: kind of like those third team reps. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: at the deference to the veteran thing. I like this
Speaker 1: point because Redman they liked him. Oh no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that they had him at center behind Looney. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I it's been Looney's been the backup center. I mean,
Speaker 1: well he's been the starter at center. But I mean
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think about I've seen so many
Speaker 1: times so they've just taken that. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take that offensive lineman. Just throw him in there and
Speaker 1: let him and let him go. I haven't watched every rep,
Speaker 1: but I don't I think I've seen him in the
Speaker 1: first team. I've seen the second team guard. Um. But
Speaker 1: to Mickey's point, Govern, yeah, but to Mickey's point, you know,
Speaker 1: you got Darius Jackson running second team running back ahead
Speaker 1: of Tony Pollard and and that'll probably change as we
Speaker 1: go along. But Jackson doesn't look bad. He doesn't look
Speaker 1: especially if he would have held out into the ball
Speaker 1: on that one that he jetted up the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's quick. He looks a lot quicker than he did.
Speaker 1: Oh he does. But I'm just saying, at some point,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna give the kind of chances. Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: it's early, it's early. Hey, let's be here before you
Speaker 1: need to go. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's
Speaker 1: like some calls this week eight eight, eight, five, two
Speaker 1: two nine seven. We've got Philip and France, who's been
Speaker 1: a holding Philip has talking cowboys. Yeah it's Philip. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: how you doing. How's the French open going? Yeah it's great.
Speaker 1: So just Brian, you with Dane, and they've taught me
Speaker 1: how to love the draft season. Well, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for that. Too bad, too bad we
Speaker 1: lost Dave on the draft. But I guess it's good
Speaker 1: for him absolutely. I just hope he'll continue to sell
Speaker 1: his monster every day. Okay, we will thet the Beast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My question is more for Mickey the law and money
Speaker 1: man on the crew, how the new CBA coming up
Speaker 1: in a couple of years do affect the long term
Speaker 1: contort such as four dag Zeke and Murray Byron and
Speaker 1: jal and men. So one, enjoy your days off before
Speaker 1: going to oxnerd and thanks for taking Michael, Thank you
Speaker 1: for listening. Man. So you have to be careful because
Speaker 1: the thirty percent rules going to take effect with the
Speaker 1: contracts going from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two because of the expiring CBA. So from
Speaker 1: a base salary standpoint, you can't try loading a whole
Speaker 1: bunch in a base salary in twenty twenty because if
Speaker 1: you get to twenty twenty one, there has to be
Speaker 1: a thirty percent increase. So they're making sure no one's
Speaker 1: stuffing money into the final year the CBA and then
Speaker 1: the next base salary and I'm talking about paragraph five
Speaker 1: goes down, that's gonna have to go up thirty percent.
Speaker 1: So that's one way that's going to affect how those
Speaker 1: how those salaries are structured, especially from a base salary standpoint.
Speaker 1: Did the Cowboys figure out something with Miles Austin and
Speaker 1: when they did that yeah, they did because they and
Speaker 1: the league got caught with egg on their face. Well
Speaker 1: because it was an uncapped year, right, but this time
Speaker 1: it's going to be capped. Okay, so going into twenty
Speaker 1: something out. But they did because it was an uncapped year,
Speaker 1: and they stuffed a whole bunch of money into that
Speaker 1: first year, and the league says, oh, no, you can't
Speaker 1: do that, and it's like, well why not. So I
Speaker 1: guess it was a gentleman's agreement between the owners that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't try to exploit the uncapped year, and they
Speaker 1: slapped the hands of the Cowboys and the Redskins. That's right.
Speaker 1: Was the Redskins was even more. I think the Redskins
Speaker 1: was like twenty Yeah, there was ten million dollars off
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Speaker 1: player I think she was seventeen or eighteen in the
Speaker 1: quarterfinals today. Okay, so there it is an Anistamova. I
Speaker 1: think that's how you pronounce it, boys. She was born
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Okay, are you playing tennisse these days? Mickey?
Speaker 1: Back to it. Hank Caney got in trouble for pronouncing
Speaker 1: a virch of ladies names. I'm kind of avoiding all that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we continue now here on talking count up. That is
Speaker 1: your French Open update. No tell her what Mickey's gonna
Speaker 1: update us next segment on I'll google for later. I'll
Speaker 1: look it up. Yeah, look up, look up Pancaney. Okay,
Speaker 1: US Women's Open. Yeah, um, okay, moving on quickly. Interesting,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill is getting reps with the first team he
Speaker 1: is from what I was told, Yes, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take you back a couple of weeks and when Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy first came on the market and we went around
Speaker 1: the table, would you be interested at a certain price
Speaker 1: for Gerald McCoy on this Cowboys team? What did we
Speaker 1: max out at? Said? Eight million? Right, what he signed
Speaker 1: for and ten to get to and incentives get you
Speaker 1: to ten and a half. So would you do five?
Speaker 1: Would you do? Yeah? Mickey maxed out at five. Would
Speaker 1: you do the contract that he got with Carolina, which
Speaker 1: is eight guaranteed or reportedly eight guaranteed with incentives to
Speaker 1: ten ten and a half on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: On a one year deal. Yeah, probably I probably would
Speaker 1: have done that. I think I would have too. I
Speaker 1: know I would have. Well, it is not my money.
Speaker 1: Did he did? Did he take less money to go
Speaker 1: to Carolina? By the way, is that the story that
Speaker 1: he took less money so he could play It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot less Cleveland, Baltimore and Carol. Yea.
Speaker 1: I think Baltimore off the other places, Baltimore offered him
Speaker 1: a pretty good chunk of money, and I think maybe
Speaker 1: he said, okay, well I'm gonna play Tampa twice a year.
Speaker 1: And there's some story you know. It was it Rick
Speaker 1: Stroud Mickey, who's the writer for the Tampa Pete Saint
Speaker 1: Pete paper. Rick evidently has a relationship with with McCoy,
Speaker 1: and so he was he was kind of off the
Speaker 1: record talking to him, and then on the record talking
Speaker 1: to him. It sounded like that it really disappointed McCoy
Speaker 1: that his number ninety three got gave a way to
Speaker 1: uh Dominican sue, and so he was like, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play him twice you know, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to see you know. So it sounded like the Fortunately
Speaker 1: for him, he doesn't have to play against Sue twice. No, no,
Speaker 1: but but but him his situation, he was he was
Speaker 1: thinking in and Bruce Arian said some things that like
Speaker 1: stuffing about him not fitting anymore in Tampa, and so
Speaker 1: he took what three visits Baltimore, Cleveland, Carolina, Arolina. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Cowboys know something we don't. We
Speaker 1: just talked about Tristan Hill getting those reps and and
Speaker 1: maybe this guy can develop quickly. What we were trying
Speaker 1: to do is we were trying to think if they
Speaker 1: weren't going to do anything with MALIEK. Collins, if if
Speaker 1: the end of the rope for MALIEK. Collins. And if
Speaker 1: you've noticed, if you watch MALIEK. Collins practice, he practices
Speaker 1: with a little bit more zip. And it might be
Speaker 1: a little bit more zip because the second round pick
Speaker 1: was a defensive tackle that plays as an under tackle
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. Yeah, he's going into the final year
Speaker 1: of his contract and when he's when he is healthy
Speaker 1: and he's played hurt a lot, that's one that's almost
Speaker 1: like an asterisk by some of his stats. Because he's
Speaker 1: played with foot stuff and I don't know what else
Speaker 1: he's had a couple of he's always had a third phase.
Speaker 1: Want to actually, I think it's been three Yeah, he has.
Speaker 1: I was standing there. I was standing with the bags
Speaker 1: when he went around him one time and got hurt.
Speaker 1: Like an offseason workouts or something. He has potential to
Speaker 1: be a disruptive guy in the middle. Yeah, it is it.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right. It is a health thing for him. I
Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with if McCoy
Speaker 1: can play or not. It's ten million dollars, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, he took three million less than what he
Speaker 1: was supposed to make him thirteen. By the way, Tama,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good contract for him, though. If
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do, nothing right, If you're gonna
Speaker 1: get three million dollars less, my guy and you and
Speaker 1: you're on a better team. I feel like you're on
Speaker 1: a better team roster wise. But you feel like the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Would you think it was strictly because of the money,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wouldn't be interested in him, or do you
Speaker 1: think what they've done in this offseason shoring up the
Speaker 1: defensive line with the numbers they have with Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: a second round pick, they just decided that was the
Speaker 1: route they needed to go. Do they have they paid?
Speaker 1: They paid a three technique in this this era with
Speaker 1: the Rod Marinelli yet not that I can recall. If
Speaker 1: you consider, okay, what did you consider Crawford. That's going
Speaker 1: to be careful. That made Crawford was supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be a three technique. Actually, yes,
Speaker 1: he still has his base this year seven million now
Speaker 1: he and now he dabbles in both spots. So maybe
Speaker 1: that was their way of saying, Okay, we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: an undertackle here. Well, they didn't pay Jason Um, we've
Speaker 1: seen that face before, Darren, Well, you go a way
Speaker 1: back here led to Cotcher. Hatcher. Hatcher. Yeah, I blanked out.
Speaker 1: I was thinking Jason Phillips for some reason. Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They let him walk. Yeah, and that was after that
Speaker 1: was thirteen sack season. Yeah, sure did so. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: really haven't. And they paid Crawford because he could play
Speaker 1: defensive end and defensive tackle, and that was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. This was an old contract. Man. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think though. I thought that they were they the
Speaker 1: justification for paying him was because he could play the undertackle. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: am I right about that? While I wasn't here at
Speaker 1: the time when he got his new twenty sixteen was
Speaker 1: it twenty sixteen that he got guess I was here.
Speaker 1: He yeah, undertook it worse than us. But you're right
Speaker 1: though they haven't. They haven't poured money into that position.
Speaker 1: And all we hear is that it's so vital for
Speaker 1: Rod's defense. So it's a little bit ye, a bit
Speaker 1: of an interesting and contrast there. I probably think the
Speaker 1: guy just they probably don't believe he can play at
Speaker 1: at at a high enough level. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: some concerns there. We talked about that. He you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna every year you're gonna get the six sacks.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what he does. You know, you went
Speaker 1: through all the numbers, and again, don't go through all
Speaker 1: the numbers. It gives people tired. Yea, yeah, just we
Speaker 1: know that we're not gonna do it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know one of the things I deal in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: all right, I think that they made the Tyrone Crawford
Speaker 1: at seven million dollars, okay, and he is a very
Speaker 1: well respected member of this team. Locker room presence and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they if they wanted to make room
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford right there, they they made the decision they
Speaker 1: like Tyrone Crawford on this football team over Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: on this football team. In my mind, whether they whether
Speaker 1: whether that entered there, that's a pretty hot take right there,
Speaker 1: Whether whether they whether they actually had a conversation about
Speaker 1: it or not. When you do the math on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, it's seven million dollars base this year. He's
Speaker 1: on this football team. He starts at right defensive end,
Speaker 1: he can play, he can rush from inside too. They
Speaker 1: feel like he's a more valuable member of this team
Speaker 1: and what Gerald McCoy would be in my opinion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I you're you're you're bringing facts there.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. But they've they've always they've always thought
Speaker 1: more of Crawford than a lot of folks. So would
Speaker 1: he have been eight million dollars better than Malie Collins
Speaker 1: Jerald McCoy, Yes, Mickey, I I when we had that discussion,
Speaker 1: I said yes, Okay, I said yes, Why can't you
Speaker 1: Adam and have added him and just play all of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got that's a lot of money for
Speaker 1: a guy. Know what you do. What you do is
Speaker 1: you get one year deal and you're trying to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl one year, done with it after one
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, Robin will agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Mickey break up a good point, though. I mean,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking that question because to me, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, hey, if you're going for it,
Speaker 1: go for it. But is Gerald McCoy a go for
Speaker 1: it player? Should? And should if they don't they don't
Speaker 1: feel that, Okay, it's fine. Is a go for it
Speaker 1: player should? Okay, let's let's let's go back then who
Speaker 1: should the Cowboys had a go for player? Should have
Speaker 1: been Earl Thomas? Should that have been the go for
Speaker 1: it player? Okay? Should Gerald McCoy been the go for
Speaker 1: it player? Who? Okay? If those of the defensive help
Speaker 1: of defensive help, who would have been your go for
Speaker 1: it play? And again they went for neither. So but
Speaker 1: we're just trying to well in the back when we
Speaker 1: had this discussion, I think Mickey might have said it too.
Speaker 1: I said, defensive tackle is probably more important to your defense.
Speaker 1: This is before the draft, before the draft, and we
Speaker 1: weren't really sure what they were going to do in
Speaker 1: free agency all that stuff. I said, d tackle because
Speaker 1: I just felt like they needed more numbers there. And
Speaker 1: they have added more numbers there, and maybe they feel
Speaker 1: like it's good enough. And they think Tristan Hill can help,
Speaker 1: Tyrone can play two different spots, and and you roll
Speaker 1: with that with Antoine. So then ask yourself this question,
Speaker 1: why did Tampa Bay give up on him? The GM
Speaker 1: is in trouble there, okay, but that and then Bruce
Speaker 1: arians coming. It's the new coach thing, Mickey. That that
Speaker 1: to me is always the defense you always look at.
Speaker 1: You look at these teams that have these new coaches,
Speaker 1: and you could always take it. Look with the Cowboys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave up a one to get a Maray Cooper. Hell,
Speaker 1: they should have probably given up more if you look
Speaker 1: at the way of Mary Cooper. That's a new coach.
Speaker 1: They gave up the twenty seventh best player in the
Speaker 1: draft for Amari Cooper. You kidding me pretty good? That's
Speaker 1: a good deal. But what how how do you get
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper? How did the Chicago Bears get that defensive
Speaker 1: end that they got because a coach goes in there
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't really don't want to pay
Speaker 1: this guy, And you know what, I think I could
Speaker 1: get somebody better. He really couldn't. He couldn't. That's sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to take advance, not sometimes. Hell, every team
Speaker 1: that had a new coach was worth me following. Hey,
Speaker 1: here's a new coach, new new general manager. So you'd
Speaker 1: rather soothe in McCoy. Here's another one. Robert Quinn, Robert
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, because Brian Flores comes in and maybe he
Speaker 1: doesn't think with what will they changed the defense? Right?
Speaker 1: And he's tried to have three four Yeah, And and
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips he did the same thing to Quinn when
Speaker 1: he came When when Wade Phillips came in. Quinn has
Speaker 1: been a stand up linebacker for the last two years
Speaker 1: and that's not really where he's most comfortable and that
Speaker 1: and so they've accommodated. They accommodated him, and now he's
Speaker 1: in a spot where they Cowboys think he has a
Speaker 1: chance to flourish. So do you think he plays seventy percent?
Speaker 1: Son of the snaps? Who's that? Quinn or is he
Speaker 1: a rotation guy? It depends on what I think that
Speaker 1: what they're gonna try and do is if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Crawford's gonna start at the rite end and base.
Speaker 1: When they do base, he's maybe one two downs. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they go to Nickel immediately in second down, depending
Speaker 1: on how well they play the first down, And then
Speaker 1: you get a situation where now he's gonna play. I
Speaker 1: would say Robert Quinn's gonna play seventy percent of a
Speaker 1: time because they're gonna probably find a way to kick
Speaker 1: Crawford inside and let him rush something in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because what happens if I could throw another
Speaker 1: if in there, if Randy Gregory's I was just reinstated.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that because you know, before
Speaker 1: that happened, their thought at the end of the season
Speaker 1: was Randy Gregory can be an every down right defensive end. Right,
Speaker 1: But you're also operating under the premise that I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, you think he's going to campus. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: When I understand, I'm just saying, what if. That's where
Speaker 1: I what if is good? But the what do I know?
Speaker 1: I know, and I'll tell you what I have a
Speaker 1: respect for Randy Gregory. I was really really wrong about
Speaker 1: I said he didn't want to play football. He does
Speaker 1: want to play football. But that's why I was wrong
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory. The thing about it is, though I
Speaker 1: don't know what the league is going to do to
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Yeah, every every day I understand. No, No,
Speaker 1: I know you do. I know you do. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying no, no, I'm not Gregory was there. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not pointing it to finger at you
Speaker 1: making I'm just saying I wish I could trust I
Speaker 1: trust Randy Gregory more and I trust the league. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? I mean, I mean I trust him
Speaker 1: to at least try, but the league. If the league
Speaker 1: is asking him to do things that he is not
Speaker 1: capable of doing to stay eligible, then I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad I have Robert Quinn. Yeah, without
Speaker 1: getting two numbers heavy, I'm just looking this up. There
Speaker 1: was one defensive lineman last year who played seventy percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps, and that was d Law seventy one
Speaker 1: and rightfully and rightfully so, I off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, I don't think Quinn gets seventy percent but
Speaker 1: that also means somebody threw that out there, like yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: why not, Well, I mean only one guy, he might
Speaker 1: only one guy. I think the next guy was Tyrone
Speaker 1: sixty one, not tak him. But that Ki brings up
Speaker 1: an interesting point. The question is laugh on the run
Speaker 1: listening to that tonight, who steps up in that rotation
Speaker 1: to help that rotation? And it's a one year deal,
Speaker 1: right Quinn? Yeah, yes, sir, yes, I mean so it's
Speaker 1: not like they sunk money into him as this was
Speaker 1: our future. Yeah, but guys also have to emerge to
Speaker 1: help that rotation otherwise, Yeah, I'm playing Robert Quinn a lot.
Speaker 1: You know what, the guy we haven't seen too, and
Speaker 1: then you guys haven't had the advantage. I saw the
Speaker 1: guy play at Houston was Christian Covington playing as the
Speaker 1: one technique, So I was thinking, like help for well,
Speaker 1: he's still rehabbit, he's still I know. That's I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him practice yet. And another guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of shown up playing as a defensive in has
Speaker 1: been Carrie Hider. Carrie Hyder, Yes, but but Carrie Hyder again,
Speaker 1: Carry Hyder is a pro and he's been a pro
Speaker 1: in this league for a long time. Carrie Hider has
Speaker 1: been taking advantage of some you know, Brandon Knight, ye
Speaker 1: spread some Brandon Knight guys, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's good for Brandon Knight that he gets to go
Speaker 1: get the guy that knows how to rush the passer.
Speaker 1: But but, but, but Carrie Hider shows up, and maybe
Speaker 1: in these games Carrie Hider will show up again. I
Speaker 1: kind of thought a carry Hider really is an afterthought, like, oh,
Speaker 1: good depth, you know, oh hey, you gotta as we
Speaker 1: get to the pres preseason games, you have a guy
Speaker 1: that can make can get the quarterback that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: what happened in San Francisco last year in the preseason
Speaker 1: where that quarterback from Southern miss is that that that
Speaker 1: the down the field and then they lose the game.
Speaker 1: So when you ask where the rush, where's the log jam?
Speaker 1: The log jams on the defensive line. They got sixteen
Speaker 1: defensive linemen. I think they'll figure it out. I do
Speaker 1: think they'll figure that. There's some guys like when you
Speaker 1: bring him and Hider, you know, we didn't even talk
Speaker 1: about him, Oh Quinn, oh Crawford, Yeah, well what about
Speaker 1: Carrie Hider and and and Jalen Jelks is going to
Speaker 1: make life difficult for somebody. Yeah, you know what, this
Speaker 1: this is just okay. This is another just gut feeling.
Speaker 1: I like Jalen Jokes a lot. And I think that
Speaker 1: Jalen Jokes end up on the practice squad. That's just
Speaker 1: me and that's pretty good if yeah, yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1: I think if we got sixteen guys, you're gonna see okay,
Speaker 1: and and maybe maybe Joe Jackson ends up on the
Speaker 1: practice squad too. About Dorence Armstrong where they drafted a
Speaker 1: year ago. Now he's been the starting left defensive end
Speaker 1: and so they're thinking to things for him. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, talking to some phocists, I asked about him
Speaker 1: and like, how's he doing? He goes man yesterday yesterday
Speaker 1: being Monday's practice, he was, he was coming off, he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he's going against there there. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a backup tackle situation over there. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not Lyle Collins. But he but he's doing some
Speaker 1: good things over there. They said, So it's Mickey's guy,
Speaker 1: you know, Cam Fleming. I say, you're a guy, Mickey
Speaker 1: and jest. I know you and Cam Fleming are not
Speaker 1: best friends. Guys. I didn't say I didn't like them,
Speaker 1: just you just thought they could do better at offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Who's signed? Who's signed? Chaz Green? Yesterday? Jazz Green? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they somebody asked me on Twitter, they go, hey, it
Speaker 1: told us about Chazz Green. I'm like, well, you said
Speaker 1: Denver now and you know and I but see that
Speaker 1: just shows you though with offensive linemen sometimes it's it
Speaker 1: takes a while. You got to learn how to hold
Speaker 1: trip and clip. You know, you know it would be
Speaker 1: that guy and maybe if he clearly Chaz Green hasard
Speaker 1: because he'd let go by. So what was pointing on
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming before I interrupted? No, Cam, The thing about
Speaker 1: that he was beating it that that Armstrong is defeating
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming. You know, that's that's the battle there. That's
Speaker 1: not defeating Lyle Collins. It's it's you know that way,
Speaker 1: it's that Yeah, it's kind of Let's go back to
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Let's go to Dave and California. Next
Speaker 1: up here on Talking Cowboy Now voices that Bill, Hi, Dave, Hi, Bill,
Speaker 1: how are you doing very well? Thank you? My mom
Speaker 1: would not be happy. And that is my name is
Speaker 1: Dave Lynn spilled from one word. It's one way. She
Speaker 1: went through a lifetime of correcting my coaches on that.
Speaker 1: What what is your given name? D A V L
Speaker 1: Y N N. Yeah? Named after two very influential people
Speaker 1: in their lives. So cool Lynn Scott and who else
Speaker 1: Lynn Scott? I haven't thought about in fifteen years? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Now I will say this. They were both Cowboy fans.
Speaker 1: There you good? Hey, Brian, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: you're right about okay saying that you were wrong and
Speaker 1: what you said about Randy Gregory. I think you were
Speaker 1: spot on and what Yeah, I think Randy Gregory then
Speaker 1: grew up and remade himself and now has a passion.
Speaker 1: But when you said it at the time you said it,
Speaker 1: I think you were right, and Randy deserves some kudos
Speaker 1: for changing the player he is. He Does that make sense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. But you don't have to defend me on
Speaker 1: that I was wrong about the guy. I was very
Speaker 1: critical of him, and I you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that his sickness was a mental thing. And this is
Speaker 1: where I learned a lesson, I believe where I learned
Speaker 1: that if somebody has a sickness, and you're saying it's
Speaker 1: it's he likes smoking marijuana more than he does like
Speaker 1: playing football. That's that's that's that's being an idiot. And
Speaker 1: I and I and I will point the finger at
Speaker 1: myself for that because he I did not know he
Speaker 1: had a sickness. But you know, the more I learned
Speaker 1: about his situation, the more I realized what an idiot
Speaker 1: I was. So I appreciate you coming on and defending me,
Speaker 1: but please, don't you need to you need to blaspheme
Speaker 1: for not digging in deeper on he also had people
Speaker 1: taking advantage of them. Yeah, at a very young age. Sure,
Speaker 1: sure there's predators out there were absolutely that, yep. But
Speaker 1: we also need to give him credit for changing himself,
Speaker 1: no question, no question. All right, So I want to
Speaker 1: throw out a hypothetical. Let's say that all of our
Speaker 1: evaluations on the D line, uh, they just don't turn out.
Speaker 1: By the end of the preseason, we see that all
Speaker 1: the inside the three and the ones okay, the one
Speaker 1: of the three okay, finding out by the end the
Speaker 1: preseason that the Indianapolis and the Lost Dress could steal
Speaker 1: gashes up the mill okay, and we're looking around and
Speaker 1: go what what can we do? So I said, what
Speaker 1: I'd like to have you guys do is what guy
Speaker 1: do you want to go after to fix the bleeding?
Speaker 1: And which one of your three all prooffensive linement would
Speaker 1: you give up to give him to get him? Okay, Oh, Davelin,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that question. It looks like
Speaker 1: you got knocked off the air. I don't want to
Speaker 1: give up. Sorry, sorry, sorry, find somebody else, do you have?
Speaker 1: You have somebody in mind that you would like to
Speaker 1: it'd have to be somebody young, probably you would want
Speaker 1: to you would you trade? Would you be more willing
Speaker 1: to trade a pick like you did for Cooper? I'm
Speaker 1: just saying a pick. I didn't say a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I said a pick, you know, like a first, second,
Speaker 1: or third round pick. Would you be willing to do that?
Speaker 1: I just don't have you somebody off the top of
Speaker 1: my head either for you know, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you'd want to go get a you'd obviously want to.
Speaker 1: The human log is really good at one. I think
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see Hill play the under tackle myself.
Speaker 1: You know you need Malik to stay healthy. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of who I would I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of who I would go after. I would like to
Speaker 1: go after. I'd go after somebody young, is what I
Speaker 1: would try and do if I'm going to do this,
Speaker 1: so kind of as a well, the other part of
Speaker 1: that is we're not going to know at the end
Speaker 1: of training camp, at the end of the preseason. Yeah, yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: where it's going to be if if there is a
Speaker 1: problem with the interior or the defensive line. D it's
Speaker 1: not going to be until the trade deadline basically before
Speaker 1: we know that. Was there one person that led to
Speaker 1: what happened in those two games? It was a bad
Speaker 1: overall effort, I mean a bad playing this got their
Speaker 1: ass kicked. Bad effort, Yeah, you know, and and Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods played that game with a torn a torn labor
Speaker 1: right and it happened early in the game and he
Speaker 1: played through it. Yeah, So, um, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just trying to think about guys that
Speaker 1: you would Again, it'd have to be a young guy
Speaker 1: that you want to do that you can like what
Speaker 1: you did with him, because somebody that is not going
Speaker 1: to give up a twenty four year old defensive tackle
Speaker 1: who's a Pro Bowl caliber player. Think he does not
Speaker 1: like this game? But no, Mickey, but but but what
Speaker 1: Davelyn wanted to do with I know he wanted he
Speaker 1: wanted to move one of your offensive lines. I understand that.
Speaker 1: Would you move Vile Collins? He wasn't one of the
Speaker 1: three Pro Bowlers. Well let's let's let's use him as
Speaker 1: let's use him as an example. Then let's not let's
Speaker 1: not move, let's not move one of the three Pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: But let's move. Let's move Lyle Collins. What do you say,
Speaker 1: who's taking his place? Well, that's where we're gonna go
Speaker 1: with Fleming. We're gonna go with maybe we've seen Connor
Speaker 1: Williams already play a little left tackle, left guard. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's just discussion we had two weeks ago. When I said,
Speaker 1: do you want to win or do you want to
Speaker 1: look for the future. That's right when he screamed at me,
Speaker 1: that's right, we're trying to look at going to scream.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I always I think that
Speaker 1: you have to play the game. I think you do
Speaker 1: have to play. It's he's trying to do something that
Speaker 1: I think that if it doesn't work out. What would
Speaker 1: be a scenario, What would be a kind of a
Speaker 1: scenario that you would look at that you would replace.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the best trading piece you have? Just
Speaker 1: the best trading piece you have is law Collins? Your
Speaker 1: best trading piece? Do you think? Guys? But what if
Speaker 1: they want to keep them? I'm just saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know if you if you had, if you had to
Speaker 1: trade a player. So you're saying you play Connor Williams
Speaker 1: at Reich tackle who I would say, so, yeah, because
Speaker 1: Mickey doesn't like Cam Fleming And what do you do?
Speaker 1: Then you not personally, not personally, No, what we're playing
Speaker 1: football here? He would plug McGovern in it at guard,
Speaker 1: right or Joe Looney or Joe Looney Yeah, yeah, Joe
Speaker 1: Looney's played sixteen games for you. Its center did a
Speaker 1: capable job. I'm a little nervous about all this, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to not play the game. But we're
Speaker 1: at a point where I think we're starting to get
Speaker 1: that offensive line restocked to the point it needs to
Speaker 1: be a t which I have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in Travis Frederick. I do too. He even will tell
Speaker 1: us I don't think he lies to us. He doesn't,
Speaker 1: but he is saying I need to get into pads
Speaker 1: in camp and see where I'm at and and so
Speaker 1: that's that's the next test. But everything we've heard is,
Speaker 1: and from him too, is that it's going well. So
Speaker 1: if you do all that, then who's your backup center? McGovern?
Speaker 1: You can't just because you got a little bit of depth,
Speaker 1: you can't keep marginalizing it. He could go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I drafted him in the third round. That didn't mean
Speaker 1: a start. They've started a lot of young guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have first round picks. They were first round picks.
Speaker 1: No that that that shouldn't bother you making. But he
Speaker 1: was a blinking light. Remember he was well that's fine. Second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one thing about Lyle Collins. If the Cowboys have determined
Speaker 1: that somewhere and they would be willing to trade, you
Speaker 1: have to question whether other teams are looking at him
Speaker 1: and saying they are he is someone they are willing
Speaker 1: to give up much for going into last year of
Speaker 1: his contract. So I don't know how much. Number one,
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Speaker 1: did I see some day talent? I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you, Yes, that was the final final tryouts for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys trainers. Yeah. Absolutely, They had uh twenty
Speaker 1: seven of their veterans selected back into training camp, and
Speaker 1: then I think that ended up being eighteen more that
Speaker 1: they chose to go to training camp, so I think
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Speaker 1: All right, Cowboys, are you going to make an appearance
Speaker 1: on the TV show? I'm trying to think if I
Speaker 1: said something stupid enough, Not exactly no, but some people
Speaker 1: do say stupid stuff. Just say something that you think
Speaker 1: you're real funny, and then they get you on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh you should do did that for Hard Knocks for
Speaker 1: two years. Just give him a copy of Mike. Just
Speaker 1: give him a copy of Talking Cowboys, and maybe you'll
Speaker 1: get by By the way, by the way, if you
Speaker 1: need a story for Mickey's thirty seconds. The director of
Speaker 1: the University of Missouri Golden Girls was at the tryouts
Speaker 1: and she told me that I three years ago, I've
Speaker 1: made their end of the year video, Peril the video
Speaker 1: What Not to Do in Journalism? What were you doing
Speaker 1: in there? When the young lady that was from the
Speaker 1: University of Missouri tried out and we were analyzing her,
Speaker 1: I said, well, she went to the University of Missouri,
Speaker 1: she was a Golden Girl. She's got to make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you got kicked off the girls? Are they?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Oh? The timeout the show? Okay,
Speaker 1: in the last three minutes here, all right, if you
Speaker 1: want to just throw Asseline on a good story, all right,
Speaker 1: where would you like, Michael five minutes of Talking Cowboys?
Speaker 1: You got more info on Michael Brocker. No, I just
Speaker 1: was saying Michael Brocker's names. If you're going to go
Speaker 1: LSU guy, we're talking about that in the break. Okay,
Speaker 1: Brockers was a guy that Brian brought up in the break.
Speaker 1: Is related to the last question from caller. I got
Speaker 1: two questions. All right, So the order they're playing the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: is Mike White that much ahead of Cooper Rush? Now,
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to that making Okay, that was my question.
Speaker 1: Don't pay attention because he's been getting the second ye.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're doing the slide of hand trick to
Speaker 1: Herky said, don't pay any attention to that, right, okay,
Speaker 1: don't pay attention. And this past uh Ota that we
Speaker 1: got to watch, did you see who made all the
Speaker 1: field goals? Yes? What was his name? Where the Red
Speaker 1: Fern Grows one of my favorite books, Casey. We need
Speaker 1: to write about him on the site, just so I
Speaker 1: can work that title in there. So are they I
Speaker 1: guarantee you I end lining up at the forty five
Speaker 1: yard line for the attempt Where the Red Fern Grows, Casey,
Speaker 1: Where the Red Fern Grows, Red Fern? All right? So yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's a double punter kicker guy. That's reating That's
Speaker 1: where we were last year, right at this, Yeah, Mackey,
Speaker 1: we need to pay attention to special teams instead of
Speaker 1: talking to the crowd along the fence line. I mean,
Speaker 1: as Mayer they kind of going, Okay, we got to
Speaker 1: take a look at this or we hang on. I
Speaker 1: probably need to do my homework here. But Mayer is
Speaker 1: a kicker first, yes? Last year? Is Red Fern a
Speaker 1: kicker first? Or is a punter first? Who can you know? What?
Speaker 1: How does it matter? I don't know. He got rid
Speaker 1: of his first two punts. He was sky in the building.
Speaker 1: We almost wasn't big enough for his punts. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he hit from fifty and he hit us two when
Speaker 1: they were doing the play it out at the end
Speaker 1: of the practice. Yeah yeah, and one was from fifty.
Speaker 1: Pay attention. We can't ignore it. I learned my lesson
Speaker 1: last year. I'm not gonna I'm sorry fans, if you
Speaker 1: see me along the fence line, I have to go
Speaker 1: watch special teams. Brian and I are gonna be under
Speaker 1: the goal post sing. We did one day. Mickey and
Speaker 1: I did one day. We were like standing where we
Speaker 1: met from the opposite Mickey walked. It was like, like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Same thing you are standing
Speaker 1: there looking at him and Dan. We loved Dan, but
Speaker 1: like he had a couple bad days Early had two
Speaker 1: bad days in a row. Yeah, and that's what got
Speaker 1: everybody kind of going on because he missed one. But
Speaker 1: in your mind you're thinking, Okay, well, if they were
Speaker 1: to make a change, it wouldn't be this guy. So
Speaker 1: you bring in some veterans for tryouts like they've done
Speaker 1: in the past, because myher didn't have experience. But the
Speaker 1: guy just kept making kicks and nobody paid attention to
Speaker 1: it until he made that kick in Houston. And I
Speaker 1: remember saying this on the radio Brad Sham I said,
Speaker 1: you know, that's good for him. Somebody if it's gonna
Speaker 1: need a kick or they're gonna bring this guy in
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be able to have a little good
Speaker 1: feeling about, you know, kicking and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: it's lining up and kicking field goals for you opening day,
Speaker 1: that was you know, that might have been that might
Speaker 1: have been the biggest surprise of training camp for me.
Speaker 1: That maybe that's an understatement there, Well, that's one of
Speaker 1: the biggest I've seen them make it last time, and
Speaker 1: even after he made the fifty seven yard field goal
Speaker 1: in Houston and then two days I didn't give a chance.
Speaker 1: I didn't give him a chance to man. I thought
Speaker 1: they were just going to continue on with Dan Bailey.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of nerve that they
Speaker 1: gave up on Dez when they did this. Was double
Speaker 1: a lot of nerve to do that with the kicker
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, so that money was a factor too.
Speaker 1: I just thought I'd throw the question out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good question. We need to pay attention. Let's not ignore it.
Speaker 1: I need to pay you know, just Casey Redfern, just
Speaker 1: reading up on him, doing a little research on him.
Speaker 1: He has been a valued player in the NFL. He's
Speaker 1: been with Jacksonville, San Diego, Carolina, Cleveland, Detroit, and now Dallas.
Speaker 1: I say he's been a valued player because Cleveland, the
Speaker 1: Panthers actually traded Redfern and a fourth round pick to
Speaker 1: the Cleveland for Andy Lee, who hasn't been in this
Speaker 1: league and rounder. And then he made the team with
Speaker 1: Detroit two years ago, he was announced as the starting punter,
Speaker 1: beating out the incumbent Sam Martin, and then in the
Speaker 1: first game of the year. He suffered a torn ACL
Speaker 1: MCL and partially torn patel attendon after he was hit
Speaker 1: by Arizona Cardinals tight end I Phoene MoMA near the
Speaker 1: sideline after Redfern took a bubbled snap in his own
Speaker 1: end zone and tried to run for a first down. Mom,
Speaker 1: what's that MoMA? I was thinking maybe they had a
Speaker 1: bounty on him and they sent him after the kicker
Speaker 1: like the old Cowboys days. Cowboy days. Yeah, Bounty Bowl.
Speaker 1: And he's twenty seven years old. Man, this show has
Speaker 1: been all day, last year to morrow. You know where
Speaker 1: he went to college, Yes, Wafford South. That's in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: I've been football game too, by the way, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make time for me. He's minute South Carolina.
Speaker 1: The training camp, that's where Carolin holds her training camp.
Speaker 1: That used there, you go, Yeah, they used to. They
Speaker 1: used to do it at Furman. Oh all right, I
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Speaker 1: next week. This has been