WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Most Competitive Spots? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:16.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.360 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:31.720 Star in Preschool Elliott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:38.760 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey's Spagnola and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.720 a shake of the head from Rob Phillips. And hello everybody, 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:48.040 welcome to another edition of Talking Cowboys. Along with Brian 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.559 brought us And I wonder if Brian would love to 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.599 be a baseball scout with the draft going on, and 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.120 what would it How different would it be if the 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.880 NFL could draft high school players? So I don't know 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.560 how different. I guarantee you there'll be a lot more 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.000 missus in the first round than they are right now. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.319 But this is the third week of OTA's Maybe Bo Jackson, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:13.280 herschel Walker high school players that you would consider. Sure, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.679 somebody else's Lebron James. He could have done it. Yeah, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.959 you gotta have a guy who didn't he physically mature. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.600 I mean he could have could have played tight ensny football. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.280 I was seeing any NBA. Yeah, that's like, Yeah, he's already. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.080 I'm trying to think of eighteen year old guys that 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.679 are like they're men already. And that's why schel Walker, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.080 that's why that rules in place. In college football, it 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.760 would be the biggest disaster, just like the NBA Draft 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.840 when you have children trying to play a man's game, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.119 even more so in football though. And yes, and if 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.440 you look at the history of this baseball draft, it's 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.639 a pretty much a disaster in the first round because 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.559 you really don't know what how to project easy and 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.880 a shout out to Bobby Witt Junior, who is the 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.560 second pick of the draft from right here locally, Colleyville 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.440 Heritage High School. And there's a kid that has all 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.800 the intangibles you're looking for, but he needs to fill 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.040 out a little bit before he'll be ready. Even on 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.560 the baseball he've watched the Royals play. He'll be a 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.720 differ before you know it's right. And as we get started, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:20.680 here a throwback to a Cowboys draft pick from twenty 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.640 seven years ago, as the Texas Rangers drafted a player 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.200 from Texas Tech. Do you remember and can you what 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.079 can you tell me Mickey about Donald Harris? He was 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.520 an outfielder he was an outfielder. He was a first 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.560 round draft pick of the Texas Rangers thirty years ago, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.560 in nineteen eighty nine, he was the fifth overall pick. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.400 He also played football at Texas Tech and in nineteen 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.760 ninety two, I guess when he became football draft eligible. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.640 Three years later, he was a twelfth round draft pick 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:56.560 of the Cowboys. And he was actually playing Major League 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.200 Baseball with the Rangers in the nineteen ninety two season 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.520 and elected to quit playing baseball and signed with the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.240 Cowboys and came to training camp in Austin, Texas, and 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.919 Jimmy Johnson cut him three weeks later, and he's back 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.880 playing baseball. It didn't work out so well, did it? Something? Yeah, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.800 I have something to fall back on. He had baseball. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.080 They tried turning him into a safe well and he 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.160 was a really good safety Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, he 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.160 was like Tech playing defense. That's right. Yeah, that's right 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.880 that when Spike dis was coaching him there, Spike, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.600 Cowboys have such a cool draft history. On that note, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.440 when you go back to when there were more rounds 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.440 and like texts and those guys would just take a 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.080 chance on guys, you know, Pat Riley. Yep, Carl Lewis. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.600 You know, Okay, you're looking for traits. Why not, this 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.320 guy's an athlete. Let's see what we can what we 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.880 can do. He wanted to draft Nancy Lieberman the one 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:54.480 year had the commissioner went and let him are serious? Yes, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.720 whenever she was coming out of old dominion. So he 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.000 so he they spent the draft pick on Carl Lewis 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.320 us instead. Yeah, another olympian. Yeah, that's right. But anyway, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.160 we are now let's see, let's do the math on it. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.120 As we It is June fourth, and we are in 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.720 the third week of OTA's and so there are seven 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:20.040 OTA practices down, number eight going on this morning as 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.320 we speak, number nine tomorrow on Wednesday, and then they 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.279 got Cowboys Youth Thursday, and the three day minicamp next week. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.680 It's it's flying by. It is flying by, and you know, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.240 but the good thing about it is that that the 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.359 young kids who were drafted, the undrafted guys, the guys 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.839 that they brought in that you know, that they signed 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.200 during the springtime, these practices and talking to some folks, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.920 you know, we've we've seen a few of the practices ourselves, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.160 but talking to some folks about that. Guys are really 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.360 becoming acclimated to what's going on. They're learning how to practice. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.560 Some guys are getting involved. I've been asking about Triston Hill. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.200 Triston Hill yesterday is talking some folks. Actually got some 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.560 reps with the first team defense playing as the no tackle, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.080 so him and Malie Collins were able to do a 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.080 little work together. So it's good to see that they're 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.200 starting to get more of these guys, or they're going 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.040 to get these young guys involved and give him a 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.920 little look here during these OTAs and say, you know, hey, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.640 let's see him go up in weight class a little bit. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.880 I was kind of talking about whys the defensive tackle, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.120 and you know, when you watch him play at the 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.760 level that he's playing at, he's pretty good against the 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.120 guys that these young offensive line in the guards, the centers, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.040 you know, McGovern and those kind of guys. So I 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.159 just kind of hopefully that maybe, yeah, maybe on Wednesday 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:31.880 they elevate him up, let him you know, like we 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.800 saw the human Law. He got some opportunity last year 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.160 during training camp practice to get some work with the ones, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.440 and next thing you know, he's playing. So you know, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.120 I'm I'm all for that if they throw as many 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.840 of those guys out there at this time period and 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.880 let them, you know, get them up in weight class 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.440 a little bit, let him to see him move around, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.960 get a feel for what it's like to go against 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.719 Zack Martin a couple of times, get their nose bloodied, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.600 and they'll have a better feel for how to compete 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.080 when they get the pads on the summer. Yeah, because 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.920 you know what, they know what Daniel Ross is. Yeah, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.800 and he's been here, so you might as well put 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.320 Hill in there instead of waisting snaps on on Ross's 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.479 while Woods is out. Yeah, Um, might as well. You know, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.919 see if he is that versatile to play both absolutely 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.640 and absolutely you know when you when they go to Nickel, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.800 you're not gonna have a one technique in there, you know. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.640 Put a guy in there that can rush the quarterback. Yeah. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.159 Third week is the time to do it, though, instead of, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.479 you know, that first couple of weeks, because as Brian said, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.200 they are so far behind when you think about it, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.520 I mean they literally get a crash course of a 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.719 couple walkthroughs in the mini camp rookie mini camp, and 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.719 then oh, here are the vets. Yeah, here's here's practice. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.839 Here's how we practice, and you've got to figure it 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.240 out really on the fly. And I'm sure those first 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.720 two weeks, you know, talking to those guys, I mean, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:51.840 they talk a good game, but you know their head 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.239 is spinning. You know, it's spinning. Another guy, it's getting 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.120 an opportunity to just talk to some folks. Is to 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.280 Michael Jackson the corner from the University of Miami. They're 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.600 they're playing him on the outside. They're also playing him 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.039 on the slot. You know, with with uh with Byron 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.159 Jones being out, you know, they've had a couple of 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:13.200 guys that they've exactly so they're throwing these guys in 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.040 there and letting them participate. And it's good if you know, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.360 if Michael Jackson can match up and and cover Randall 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.560 Cobb and carry him all over the field a little bit, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.600 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. He's gonna 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.920 there's gonna be some times where he's gonna look terrible, 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.760 but there's other times that maybe he'll make a play 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.480 or two and then it's like, oh wow, I just 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.840 covered a Super Bowl champ wide receiver out here, and 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.880 I didn't it wasn't embarrassed, So you know, I'm all 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.600 for that if they can, if they can just allow 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.280 these guys the opportunity to learn to grow to physically, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.440 you know, and they're gonna make mistakes. I tell you 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.000 where I've really been impressed on the Wednesday practices. It 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.040 seems like every Wednesday practice one of the young guys 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.200 steps up at the running back spot and makes a 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.040 blitz pick up, you know, and you're thinking, like, as 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.520 we are putting in these this uh, this scheme, uh 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.280 these plays, you know that you gotta know who you're 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.320 gonna block. And if you don't block the wrong guy, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.880 if you block the wrong guy, then you're gonna get 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:07.880 somebody killed, and you're gonna then you're not gonna be 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.400 on the field anymore. So if they keep picking up 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.480 the right guys, that's you know. I think that Gary 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.640 Brown can can teach them to be willing to stick 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.960 their nose in their place square and and kind of 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.560 fight a guy off. But they have to know what 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.400 they're doing. And I've seen that on Wednesdays and those 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.920 are types of things that are encouraging to me. Well, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.640 last week it was Webber that stepped up yeah, because 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.559 they threw they they gotta they gotta. Cooper rushed through 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.800 a touchdown down the right sidelines to John Vay Johnson. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:42.240 There's another guy that people are really ago. Bill daughter 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.960 will be proud of that dad joke there. But the 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.760 and thanks for listening. Man. The the uh my daughter 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.400 is called may the uh. But the the I think 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.000 the thing with you know this is, you know, with 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.160 the wide receivers, we've talked about Cobb and then you know, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 and then Gallop and what those guys have been able 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.439 to do. And but John by Johnson, when you're getting 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.040 your tray of food at lunch, people are like, you know, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.800 John by Johnson, interesting guy. You know, it's a lot 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.240 more of a buzz about him. Not that Jalen Guiton 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.200 is not doing, but as far as just guys that 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:20.120 they just as wide receivers, Cob, john by Johnson, You're like, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.200 what you know, yeah, kind about John by Johnson when 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.880 you look at his numbers at Toledo and there were 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.000 three guys that were well, two guys that were drafted 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.440 and then John by Johnson undrafted out of Toledo wide 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.480 receivers this year. And but this guy, he had one 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.240 hundred twenty five catches in his career at Toledo. Twenty 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.480 five touchdowns. Right, he was going touchdowns every fifth time 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.079 he touched the football at Toledo. You know why. He 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.520 ran a four three eight four running four three eighth. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.959 That's right, very good, Vicky, you did your homework. I'll 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.440 tell you what long time ago. He catches the ball well. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.439 I mean you could see, you know when you talk 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.840 about young receivers and stuff and how they adapt to 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.559 the pro of football, and I'll tell you what, there's 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.200 some there's some balls that have been thrown high. He's 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.000 made nice adjustments too. I think there's some stuff low 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.520 across the middle. He's had to like put his hands 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.280 underneath to catch it in run. But Mickey's right, once 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.920 you get the ball in his hands, you see him 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:17.880 get up the field and that and that part of 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.960 it has been impressive. And the other guy that's run 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.120 that well has been guiting. And Sanjay Law really likes him. Yeah, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:31.040 he yeah, he likes John Vay Johnson too a lot. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.720 And he's very explosive and he carries himself almost like 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.080 a vet. You know, he's like Brian mentioned train table. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.719 We see him kind of walk around. He seems like 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.040 a mature guy, and I don't know if it's his pedigree. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.480 His dad was in the NFL. Dad played in the NFL. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.320 He just he just carries himself. And I know it's early, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.720 but like it's not too big for him. He's a 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.200 guy really to watch as this thing unfolds, because, as 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.640 Brian's has said, there's a lot of veteran receivers on 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.840 this team, but there's a lot of young talent at 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.240 receiver too, and it's to be really interesting to see 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.800 how this thing shakes out. I talked to U Cedric 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.400 Wilson as well recently, and that's another guy that you 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.120 can almost look at him as a rookie. Uh absolute 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.320 nobody forgets about him. This is a guy that can 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.880 play inside outside for you. But it's a lot of 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.839 competition and not everybody's gonna make, you know, one of 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.679 those five or six spots. Yeah, what do you think 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.200 the hardest position going into camp is going to be 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.600 for somebody a young guy to make this team? The 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.720 hardest position, the hardest position for a young guy to 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.400 make the for make the roster, well, offensive line, defensive line, 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.000 Thinking about those undrafted guys I'm thinking about player, Yeah, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.080 I'm thinking about I'm thinking I'm thinking about guys like 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.240 you know, Jackson, the defensive end from Miami. I'm thinking 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:50.199 about guys that they picked, you know, fifth sixth round guy. Yeah, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.240 which also leads me to think those are our hard 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.960 positions for veterans to make, veterans that make a lot 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.560 of money. Yeah, no, no, that's rob it. You guys 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.240 are right, because this is I look at wide receivers 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.839 might be the one position where even if you're a 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.559 veteran guy, you might not make this team. I've kind 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.560 of got Alan Hearns Pennsylvana in my mind, just in 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.000 case something happens to, you know, with Gallup or a Cooper. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:15.839 But I think you could probably play Cobb. But I 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.400 don't know if you want to play Cobb on one 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.360 of those those other those starting positions, if you got 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.120 him playing in the slow especially if you're playing a 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.120 lot of eleven personnel stuff. So I'm kind of thinking 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.360 though that maybe Hearns, But then okay, they carry five, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.160 they carry six. I mean it might be really difficult 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.600 for one of those, you know, I don't think like 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.480 guys like Noah Brown, Lance Lenore a lot of competition, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.280 Devin Smith, I mean Tavon Austin. Yeah, there's a lot 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.319 of guys that are in that mode right now where 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.960 it's it's going to be. If they depending on where 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.920 the numbers fall, I don't see how they carry seven 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.960 or something like that, ridiculous. I think they if they 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.720 have to carry five, if they carry six, I understand. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.199 If they carry five, it's because they had other positions 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.079 that they felt even better about. And herns at a 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.920 five million dollars cellary. That's true. But also but he, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.760 like I said, he they they they feel comfortable that 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.200 he could be a starter. See that's something about is 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.199 you don't want to sit there and go completely young 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:14.760 on the back end and then all of a sudden 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.480 have to start. There's a young guy that wants down. Yeah, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.600 at least at least hearns, you know, he can go 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.640 out there. He can make two or three catches a game, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 get you twenty five thirty yards maybe, and he can 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.480 first down yeah, and play anywhere too, exactly. If anybody 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.040 gets hurt, he can step in. He can help you 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.200 in the slot too. That's a comfort level for a 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.439 coaching stat That's why you don't have to. You can 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.280 wait all the way to the end of training camp 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.280 and see where you are health wise on right and 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.320 a lot of these decisions. And the good thing about 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.360 hearns now he's running pretty well. Yeah, I mean they 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.160 haven't put him out there in the in the practices, 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.960 but uh, doing his rehab work, you wouldn't know that 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.280 he went through the injury he went through in that 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.760 playoff game. Yeah, you know, I just that's that's a 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.480 that's a position it's definitely worth keep keeping an eye 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.600 on because that I just feel like that maybe that's 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.839 a veteran group that's gonna lose some guys because the 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.920 talent behind it. His team. We talk about Johnson, we 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.520 talked about Gayton. If I had to bet my money 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.079 right now on a guy that would make the team, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.760 I think it would be John Bay Johnson out of that, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.320 I mean, it's just just what I'm kind of You've 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.480 talked about the way the guys carried himself, some of 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.440 the plays he's made. He looks comfortable catching the ball, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.560 you know. But that's not to say that Gaydon you 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.200 can't step up and train. It's just so hell, you 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.360 got to wait. Yeah, those rookie those wide receivers, they 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.360 they hit a wall during camp. You could see it 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.840 because they're running so much. I mean, remember how much 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.120 Lance Lenora and pressed it. Oh, no question when the 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.320 lights came on, no questions, Trunk, Absolutely, But you're right 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.520 about Gaydon. He wears eighty three and I'm not comparing 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.680 him to Terry Glenn, but I had a glimpse of 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.080 him at number eighty three because of his speed and 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.040 how quick he gets off the line of scrimmage, and 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.800 he's an impressive town. Here's the other thing to consider 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.880 when you're comparing like a John Vay Johnson to a 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.920 Jalen guyden Is John v Johnson is two years older 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.840 than Jalen Gaiden. I mean, when you're talking about how 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.560 a guy it seems a lot more maturer and carries 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.800 himself and that sort of thing. Not to say Gaydon doesn't, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.160 but I think when you look at it, you I mean, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.280 their birth dates are two weeks apart, and Gayton's two 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.520 years younger than Johnson is. I didn't know that that's interesting. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.320 And Johnson has you know you mentioned his dad, Well, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.520 his cousin got drafted in the second round. He was 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.080 a cornerback out of Kentucky. So there's some NFL jeans 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.440 they're running through that family. But because of those guys' 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:45.920 ability to run and because Sanjay Law loves speed, that 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.960 they're going to get an opportunity and the rest of 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.440 those guys better beware. Have you guys paid attention to 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.720 the offensive line very much on how the backups have 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.640 been playing? Have you? Have you? I have you try 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.080 to pick up on what they're doing with McGovern right 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.680 guard that right he's been playing, but really both guards. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.680 Then he did some centers. He had his hand on 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.640 the ball like with the third team. May see, that's 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.800 what I'm saying. They haven't thrown McGovern in there. It's 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.320 still it's still Sue Philo, it's still redmand. You know, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.280 they haven't thrown mcgoverned. Now. I guess they threw Connor 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.320 Williams in there last year because they had to throw 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.800 Connor Williams in there last year. But this offensive line 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.600 has kind of had a tradition or history since I've 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.040 been back over here of just taking that first round 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.640 guy or the secondround and throwing them in there and 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.960 letting them kind of learn and be that guy I 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.800 haven't noticed him doing that with McGovern yet. I haven't 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.160 seen McGovern being the guy that Okay, he's running with it. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.520 He's he's the he's the first left guard or you know, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.480 or he's or they're given they're given Martin a break, 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.400 they're take you know, he's the second right guard. I 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.160 haven't seen them take him. Like Mickey said, it's been 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.560 kind of like those third team reps. Yeah, you know, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.360 at the deference to the veteran thing. I like this 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.800 point because Redman they liked him. Oh no, no, I'm 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.680 just saying that they had him at center behind Looney. Yeah. No, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.439 I it's been Looney's been the backup center. I mean, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.320 well he's been the starter at center. But I mean 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.960 I'm just trying to think about I've seen so many 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.160 times so they've just taken that. You know, we're gonna 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.200 take that offensive lineman. Just throw him in there and 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.960 let him and let him go. I haven't watched every rep, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.760 but I don't I think I've seen him in the 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.280 first team. I've seen the second team guard. Um. But 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.879 to Mickey's point, Govern, yeah, but to Mickey's point, you know, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.720 you got Darius Jackson running second team running back ahead 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.240 of Tony Pollard and and that'll probably change as we 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.680 go along. But Jackson doesn't look bad. He doesn't look 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.680 especially if he would have held out into the ball 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.199 on that one that he jetted up the middle. Yeah, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.800 he's quick. He looks a lot quicker than he did. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.720 Oh he does. But I'm just saying, at some point, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.560 you know you're gonna give the kind of chances. Yeah, so, um, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.720 it's early, it's early. Hey, let's be here before you 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.160 need to go. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.760 like some calls this week eight eight, eight, five, two 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.040 two nine seven. We've got Philip and France, who's been 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:12.080 a holding Philip has talking cowboys. Yeah it's Philip. Hello, guys, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.560 how you doing. How's the French open going? Yeah it's great. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:23.879 So just Brian, you with Dane, and they've taught me 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.040 how to love the draft season. Well, thank you, thank 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.960 you very much for that. Too bad, too bad we 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:35.880 lost Dave on the draft. But I guess it's good 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:41.120 for him absolutely. I just hope he'll continue to sell 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:46.400 his monster every day. Okay, we will thet the Beast. Yeah. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.760 My question is more for Mickey the law and money 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.640 man on the crew, how the new CBA coming up 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.640 in a couple of years do affect the long term 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.800 contort such as four dag Zeke and Murray Byron and 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.000 jal and men. So one, enjoy your days off before 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.399 going to oxnerd and thanks for taking Michael, Thank you 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.240 for listening. Man. So you have to be careful because 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.800 the thirty percent rules going to take effect with the 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.840 contracts going from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one to 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:29.680 twenty twenty two because of the expiring CBA. So from 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:35.680 a base salary standpoint, you can't try loading a whole 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.840 bunch in a base salary in twenty twenty because if 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.879 you get to twenty twenty one, there has to be 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.639 a thirty percent increase. So they're making sure no one's 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.400 stuffing money into the final year the CBA and then 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.919 the next base salary and I'm talking about paragraph five 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.160 goes down, that's gonna have to go up thirty percent. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.160 So that's one way that's going to affect how those 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.240 how those salaries are structured, especially from a base salary standpoint. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.439 Did the Cowboys figure out something with Miles Austin and 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.320 when they did that yeah, they did because they and 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.040 the league got caught with egg on their face. Well 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.680 because it was an uncapped year, right, but this time 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.040 it's going to be capped. Okay, so going into twenty 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.080 something out. But they did because it was an uncapped year, 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.800 and they stuffed a whole bunch of money into that 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.280 first year, and the league says, oh, no, you can't 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.119 do that, and it's like, well why not. So I 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.720 guess it was a gentleman's agreement between the owners that 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.160 they wouldn't try to exploit the uncapped year, and they 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.080 slapped the hands of the Cowboys and the Redskins. That's right. 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.160 Was the Redskins was even more. I think the Redskins 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.800 was like twenty Yeah, there was ten million dollars off 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.639 the cape. All right, we continue with more of talking 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.200 cowboys and take your phone calls, and we come back 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.280 in a moment. Your new apartment's big, such a great deal, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:07.440 it's okay, just okay. What's not right about the subway? Well, 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:11.520