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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Preschool Elliott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey's Spagnola and

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Speaker 1: a shake of the head from Rob Phillips. And hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Talking Cowboys. Along with Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us And I wonder if Brian would love to

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Speaker 1: be a baseball scout with the draft going on, and

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Speaker 1: what would it How different would it be if the

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Speaker 1: NFL could draft high school players? So I don't know

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Speaker 1: how different. I guarantee you there'll be a lot more

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Speaker 1: But this is the third week of OTA's Maybe Bo Jackson,

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker high school players that you would consider. Sure,

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Speaker 1: somebody else's Lebron James. He could have done it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have a guy who didn't he physically mature.

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Speaker 1: I mean he could have could have played tight ensny football.

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Speaker 1: I was seeing any NBA. Yeah, that's like, Yeah, he's already.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of eighteen year old guys that

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Speaker 1: are like they're men already. And that's why schel Walker,

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Speaker 1: that's why that rules in place. In college football, it

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Speaker 1: would be the biggest disaster, just like the NBA Draft

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Speaker 1: when you have children trying to play a man's game,

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Speaker 1: even more so in football though. And yes, and if

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Speaker 1: you look at the history of this baseball draft, it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty much a disaster in the first round because

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Speaker 1: you really don't know what how to project easy and

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Speaker 1: a shout out to Bobby Witt Junior, who is the

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Speaker 1: second pick of the draft from right here locally, Colleyville

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Speaker 1: Heritage High School. And there's a kid that has all

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Speaker 1: the intangibles you're looking for, but he needs to fill

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Speaker 1: out a little bit before he'll be ready. Even on

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Speaker 1: the baseball he've watched the Royals play. He'll be a

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Speaker 1: differ before you know it's right. And as we get started,

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Speaker 1: here a throwback to a Cowboys draft pick from twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years ago, as the Texas Rangers drafted a player

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Speaker 1: from Texas Tech. Do you remember and can you what

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Speaker 1: can you tell me Mickey about Donald Harris? He was

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Speaker 1: an outfielder he was an outfielder. He was a first

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Speaker 1: round draft pick of the Texas Rangers thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, he was the fifth overall pick.

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Speaker 1: He also played football at Texas Tech and in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two, I guess when he became football draft eligible.

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Speaker 1: Three years later, he was a twelfth round draft pick

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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. And he was actually playing Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball with the Rangers in the nineteen ninety two season

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Speaker 1: and elected to quit playing baseball and signed with the

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson cut him three weeks later, and he's back

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Speaker 1: playing baseball. It didn't work out so well, did it? Something? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have something to fall back on. He had baseball.

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Speaker 1: They tried turning him into a safe well and he

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Speaker 1: was a really good safety Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was like Tech playing defense. That's right. Yeah, that's right

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Speaker 1: that when Spike dis was coaching him there, Spike, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have such a cool draft history. On that note,

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Speaker 1: when you go back to when there were more rounds

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Speaker 1: and like texts and those guys would just take a

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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, you're looking for traits. Why not, this

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Speaker 1: can do. He wanted to draft Nancy Lieberman the one

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Speaker 1: year had the commissioner went and let him are serious? Yes,

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Speaker 1: whenever she was coming out of old dominion. So he

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Speaker 1: so he they spent the draft pick on Carl Lewis

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Speaker 1: us instead. Yeah, another olympian. Yeah, that's right. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: As we It is June fourth, and we are in

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Speaker 1: the third week of OTA's and so there are seven

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Speaker 1: OTA practices down, number eight going on this morning as

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Speaker 1: we speak, number nine tomorrow on Wednesday, and then they

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Speaker 1: got Cowboys Youth Thursday, and the three day minicamp next week.

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Speaker 1: It's it's flying by. It is flying by, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Some guys are getting involved. I've been asking about Triston Hill.

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Speaker 1: just kind of hopefully that maybe, yeah, maybe on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for that if they throw as many

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Speaker 1: let them, you know, get them up in weight class

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Speaker 1: There's another guy that people are really ago. Bill daughter

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Speaker 1: John by Johnson, interesting guy. You know, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: more of a buzz about him. Not that Jalen Guiton

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Speaker 1: tell you what long time ago. He catches the ball well.

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Speaker 1: how you doing. How's the French open going? Yeah it's great.

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Speaker 1: So just Brian, you with Dane, and they've taught me

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Speaker 1: continue here on talking Cowboys going down John Stevens Memory

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Speaker 1: Lane because Mickey got his French Open update and Sloane

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Speaker 1: Stevens lost in the French Open, right, yes, And then

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Speaker 1: there's a and well when they say Sloane Stevens is

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Speaker 1: the daughter former NFL running back John Stevens who had

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Speaker 1: a cup of coffee in Green Bay when Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us was with the Packers. There was another young US

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Speaker 1: player I think she was seventeen or eighteen in the

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Speaker 1: quarterfinals today. Okay, so there it is an Anistamova. I

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Speaker 1: think that's how you pronounce it, boys. She was born

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Okay, are you playing tennisse these days? Mickey?

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Speaker 1: Back to it. Hank Caney got in trouble for pronouncing

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Speaker 1: a virch of ladies names. I'm kind of avoiding all that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we continue now here on talking count up. That is

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Speaker 1: your French Open update. No tell her what Mickey's gonna

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Speaker 1: update us next segment on I'll google for later. I'll

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Speaker 1: look it up. Yeah, look up, look up Pancaney. Okay,

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Speaker 1: US Women's Open. Yeah, um, okay, moving on quickly. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: Tristan Hill is getting reps with the first team he

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Speaker 1: is from what I was told, Yes, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: take you back a couple of weeks and when Gerald

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Speaker 1: McCoy first came on the market and we went around

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Speaker 1: the table, would you be interested at a certain price

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Speaker 1: for Gerald McCoy on this Cowboys team? What did we

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Speaker 1: max out at? Said? Eight million? Right, what he signed

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Speaker 1: for and ten to get to and incentives get you

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Speaker 1: to ten and a half. So would you do five?

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Speaker 1: Would you do? Yeah? Mickey maxed out at five. Would

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Speaker 1: you do the contract that he got with Carolina, which

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Speaker 1: is eight guaranteed or reportedly eight guaranteed with incentives to

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Speaker 1: ten ten and a half on a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: On a one year deal. Yeah, probably I probably would

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Speaker 1: have done that. I think I would have too. I

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Speaker 1: know I would have. Well, it is not my money.

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Speaker 1: Did he did? Did he take less money to go

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Speaker 1: to Carolina? By the way, is that the story that

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Speaker 1: he took less money so he could play It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot less Cleveland, Baltimore and Carol. Yea.

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Speaker 1: I think Baltimore off the other places, Baltimore offered him

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chunk of money, and I think maybe

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Speaker 1: he said, okay, well I'm gonna play Tampa twice a year.

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Speaker 1: And there's some story you know. It was it Rick

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Speaker 1: Stroud Mickey, who's the writer for the Tampa Pete Saint

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Speaker 1: Pete paper. Rick evidently has a relationship with with McCoy,

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Speaker 1: and so he was he was kind of off the

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Speaker 1: record talking to him, and then on the record talking

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Speaker 1: to him. It sounded like that it really disappointed McCoy

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Speaker 1: that his number ninety three got gave a way to

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Speaker 1: uh Dominican sue, and so he was like, you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play him twice you know, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to see you know. So it sounded like the Fortunately

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Speaker 1: for him, he doesn't have to play against Sue twice. No, no,

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Speaker 1: but but but him his situation, he was he was

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Speaker 1: thinking in and Bruce Arian said some things that like

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Speaker 1: stuffing about him not fitting anymore in Tampa, and so

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Speaker 1: he took what three visits Baltimore, Cleveland, Carolina, Arolina. Right,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Cowboys know something we don't. We

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Speaker 1: just talked about Tristan Hill getting those reps and and

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Speaker 1: maybe this guy can develop quickly. What we were trying

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Speaker 1: to do is we were trying to think if they

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Speaker 1: weren't going to do anything with MALIEK. Collins, if if

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Speaker 1: the end of the rope for MALIEK. Collins. And if

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Speaker 1: you've noticed, if you watch MALIEK. Collins practice, he practices

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Speaker 1: with a little bit more zip. And it might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more zip because the second round pick

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Speaker 1: was a defensive tackle that plays as an under tackle

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. Yeah, he's going into the final year

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Speaker 1: of his contract and when he's when he is healthy

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Speaker 1: and he's played hurt a lot, that's one that's almost

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Speaker 1: like an asterisk by some of his stats. Because he's

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Speaker 1: played with foot stuff and I don't know what else

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Speaker 1: he's had a couple of he's always had a third phase.

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Speaker 1: Want to actually, I think it's been three Yeah, he has.

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Speaker 1: I was standing there. I was standing with the bags

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Speaker 1: when he went around him one time and got hurt.

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Speaker 1: Like an offseason workouts or something. He has potential to

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Speaker 1: be a disruptive guy in the middle. Yeah, it is it.

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Speaker 1: Mickey's right. It is a health thing for him. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with if McCoy

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Speaker 1: can play or not. It's ten million dollars, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, he took three million less than what he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to make him thirteen. By the way, Tama,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a good contract for him, though. If

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Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do, nothing right, If you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get three million dollars less, my guy and you and

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Speaker 1: you're on a better team. I feel like you're on

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Speaker 1: a better team roster wise. But you feel like the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Would you think it was strictly because of the money,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys wouldn't be interested in him, or do you

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Speaker 1: think what they've done in this offseason shoring up the

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Speaker 1: defensive line with the numbers they have with Tristan Hill

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Speaker 1: a second round pick, they just decided that was the

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Speaker 1: route they needed to go. Do they have they paid?

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Speaker 1: They paid a three technique in this this era with

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Speaker 1: the Rod Marinelli yet not that I can recall. If

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Speaker 1: you consider, okay, what did you consider Crawford. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be careful. That made Crawford was supposed to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to be a three technique. Actually, yes,

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Speaker 1: he still has his base this year seven million now

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Speaker 1: he and now he dabbles in both spots. So maybe

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Speaker 1: that was their way of saying, Okay, we're gonna pay

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Speaker 1: an undertackle here. Well, they didn't pay Jason Um, we've

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Speaker 1: seen that face before, Darren, Well, you go a way

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Speaker 1: back here led to Cotcher. Hatcher. Hatcher. Yeah, I blanked out.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking Jason Phillips for some reason. Yeah, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They let him walk. Yeah, and that was after that

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Speaker 1: was thirteen sack season. Yeah, sure did so. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: really haven't. And they paid Crawford because he could play

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Speaker 1: defensive end and defensive tackle, and that was a long

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Speaker 1: time ago. This was an old contract. Man. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think though. I thought that they were they the

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Speaker 1: justification for paying him was because he could play the undertackle. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: am I right about that? While I wasn't here at

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Speaker 1: the time when he got his new twenty sixteen was

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Speaker 1: it twenty sixteen that he got guess I was here.

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Speaker 1: He yeah, undertook it worse than us. But you're right

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Speaker 1: though they haven't. They haven't poured money into that position.

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Speaker 1: And all we hear is that it's so vital for

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Speaker 1: Rod's defense. So it's a little bit ye, a bit

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Speaker 1: of an interesting and contrast there. I probably think the

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Speaker 1: guy just they probably don't believe he can play at

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Speaker 1: at at a high enough level. And you know, there's

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Speaker 1: some concerns there. We talked about that. He you know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna every year you're gonna get the six sacks.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of what he does. You know, you went

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Speaker 1: through all the numbers, and again, don't go through all

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Speaker 1: the numbers. It gives people tired. Yea, yeah, just we

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Speaker 1: know that we're not gonna do it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know one of the things I deal in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: all right, I think that they made the Tyrone Crawford

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Speaker 1: at seven million dollars, okay, and he is a very

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Speaker 1: well respected member of this team. Locker room presence and everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they if they wanted to make room

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Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford right there, they they made the decision they

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Speaker 1: like Tyrone Crawford on this football team over Gerald McCoy

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Speaker 1: on this football team. In my mind, whether they whether

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Speaker 1: whether that entered there, that's a pretty hot take right there,

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Speaker 1: Whether whether they whether they actually had a conversation about

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Speaker 1: it or not. When you do the math on it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, it's seven million dollars base this year. He's

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Speaker 1: on this football team. He starts at right defensive end,

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Speaker 1: he can play, he can rush from inside too. They

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Speaker 1: feel like he's a more valuable member of this team

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Speaker 1: and what Gerald McCoy would be in my opinion, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I you're you're you're bringing facts there.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. But they've they've always they've always thought

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Speaker 1: more of Crawford than a lot of folks. So would

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Speaker 1: he have been eight million dollars better than Malie Collins

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Speaker 1: Jerald McCoy, Yes, Mickey, I I when we had that discussion,

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Speaker 1: I said yes, Okay, I said yes, Why can't you

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Speaker 1: Adam and have added him and just play all of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got that's a lot of money for

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Speaker 1: a guy. Know what you do. What you do is

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Speaker 1: you get one year deal and you're trying to win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl one year, done with it after one

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, Robin will agree with you

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Speaker 1: on that. Mickey break up a good point, though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking that question because to me, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, hey, if you're going for it,

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Speaker 1: go for it. But is Gerald McCoy a go for

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Speaker 1: it player? Should? And should if they don't they don't

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Speaker 1: feel that, Okay, it's fine. Is a go for it

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Speaker 1: player should? Okay, let's let's let's go back then who

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Speaker 1: should the Cowboys had a go for player? Should have

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Speaker 1: been Earl Thomas? Should that have been the go for

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Speaker 1: it player? Okay? Should Gerald McCoy been the go for

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Speaker 1: it player? Who? Okay? If those of the defensive help

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Speaker 1: of defensive help, who would have been your go for

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Speaker 1: it play? And again they went for neither. So but

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Speaker 1: we're just trying to well in the back when we

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Speaker 1: had this discussion, I think Mickey might have said it too.

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Speaker 1: I said, defensive tackle is probably more important to your defense.

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Speaker 1: This is before the draft, before the draft, and we

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Speaker 1: weren't really sure what they were going to do in

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Speaker 1: free agency all that stuff. I said, d tackle because

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Speaker 1: I just felt like they needed more numbers there. And

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Speaker 1: they have added more numbers there, and maybe they feel

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Speaker 1: like it's good enough. And they think Tristan Hill can help,

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Speaker 1: Tyrone can play two different spots, and and you roll

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Speaker 1: with that with Antoine. So then ask yourself this question,

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Speaker 1: why did Tampa Bay give up on him? The GM

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Speaker 1: is in trouble there, okay, but that and then Bruce

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Speaker 1: arians coming. It's the new coach thing, Mickey. That that

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Speaker 1: to me is always the defense you always look at.

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Speaker 1: You look at these teams that have these new coaches,

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Speaker 1: and you could always take it. Look with the Cowboys, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they gave up a one to get a Maray Cooper. Hell,

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Speaker 1: they should have probably given up more if you look

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Speaker 1: at the way of Mary Cooper. That's a new coach.

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Speaker 1: They gave up the twenty seventh best player in the

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Speaker 1: draft for Amari Cooper. You kidding me pretty good? That's

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Speaker 1: a good deal. But what how how do you get

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper? How did the Chicago Bears get that defensive

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Speaker 1: end that they got because a coach goes in there

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Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't really don't want to pay

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Speaker 1: this guy, And you know what, I think I could

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Speaker 1: get somebody better. He really couldn't. He couldn't. That's sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have to take advance, not sometimes. Hell, every team

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Speaker 1: that had a new coach was worth me following. Hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a new coach, new new general manager. So you'd

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Speaker 1: rather soothe in McCoy. Here's another one. Robert Quinn, Robert

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, because Brian Flores comes in and maybe he

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Speaker 1: doesn't think with what will they changed the defense? Right?

636
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: And he's tried to have three four Yeah, And and

637
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips he did the same thing to Quinn when

638
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: he came When when Wade Phillips came in. Quinn has

639
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: been a stand up linebacker for the last two years

640
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: and that's not really where he's most comfortable and that

641
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: and so they've accommodated. They accommodated him, and now he's

642
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: in a spot where they Cowboys think he has a

643
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: chance to flourish. So do you think he plays seventy percent?

644
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Son of the snaps? Who's that? Quinn or is he

645
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: a rotation guy? It depends on what I think that

646
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: what they're gonna try and do is if it's gonna

647
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: be Crawford's gonna start at the rite end and base.

648
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: When they do base, he's maybe one two downs. Maybe

649
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: maybe they go to Nickel immediately in second down, depending

650
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: on how well they play the first down, And then

651
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: you get a situation where now he's gonna play. I

652
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: would say Robert Quinn's gonna play seventy percent of a

653
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: time because they're gonna probably find a way to kick

654
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Crawford inside and let him rush something in there. Yeah,

655
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, because what happens if I could throw another

656
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: if in there, if Randy Gregory's I was just reinstated.

657
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that because you know, before

658
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: that happened, their thought at the end of the season

659
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: was Randy Gregory can be an every down right defensive end. Right,

660
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: But you're also operating under the premise that I mean,

661
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: at this point, you think he's going to campus. No, no, no,

662
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: When I understand, I'm just saying, what if. That's where

663
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: I what if is good? But the what do I know?

664
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Speaker 1: I know, and I'll tell you what I have a

665
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: respect for Randy Gregory. I was really really wrong about

666
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: I said he didn't want to play football. He does

667
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: want to play football. But that's why I was wrong

668
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory. The thing about it is, though I

669
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: don't know what the league is going to do to

670
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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Yeah, every every day I understand. No, No,

671
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: I know you do. I know you do. I'm not

672
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: saying no, no, I'm not Gregory was there. No, No,

673
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not pointing it to finger at you

674
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: making I'm just saying I wish I could trust I

675
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: trust Randy Gregory more and I trust the league. Does

676
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: that make sense? I mean, I mean I trust him

677
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: to at least try, but the league. If the league

678
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: is asking him to do things that he is not

679
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: capable of doing to stay eligible, then I don't know.

680
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad I have Robert Quinn. Yeah, without

681
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: getting two numbers heavy, I'm just looking this up. There

682
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: was one defensive lineman last year who played seventy percent

683
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: of the snaps, and that was d Law seventy one

684
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: and rightfully and rightfully so, I off the top of

685
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: my head, I don't think Quinn gets seventy percent but

686
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: that also means somebody threw that out there, like yeah, sure,

687
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: why not, Well, I mean only one guy, he might

688
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: only one guy. I think the next guy was Tyrone

689
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: sixty one, not tak him. But that Ki brings up

690
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: an interesting point. The question is laugh on the run

691
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: listening to that tonight, who steps up in that rotation

692
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: to help that rotation? And it's a one year deal,

693
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: right Quinn? Yeah, yes, sir, yes, I mean so it's

694
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: not like they sunk money into him as this was

695
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: our future. Yeah, but guys also have to emerge to

696
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: help that rotation otherwise, Yeah, I'm playing Robert Quinn a lot.

697
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: You know what, the guy we haven't seen too, and

698
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: then you guys haven't had the advantage. I saw the

699
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: guy play at Houston was Christian Covington playing as the

700
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: one technique, So I was thinking, like help for well,

701
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: he's still rehabbit, he's still I know. That's I'm saying,

702
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him practice yet. And another guy that's

703
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: kind of shown up playing as a defensive in has

704
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: been Carrie Hider. Carrie Hyder, Yes, but but Carrie Hyder again,

705
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: Carry Hyder is a pro and he's been a pro

706
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: in this league for a long time. Carrie Hider has

707
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: been taking advantage of some you know, Brandon Knight, ye

708
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: spread some Brandon Knight guys, you know, and you know,

709
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: it's good for Brandon Knight that he gets to go

710
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: get the guy that knows how to rush the passer.

711
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: But but, but, but Carrie Hider shows up, and maybe

712
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: in these games Carrie Hider will show up again. I

713
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of thought a carry Hider really is an afterthought, like, oh,

714
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: good depth, you know, oh hey, you gotta as we

715
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: get to the pres preseason games, you have a guy

716
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: that can make can get the quarterback that doesn't happen

717
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: what happened in San Francisco last year in the preseason

718
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: where that quarterback from Southern miss is that that that

719
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: the down the field and then they lose the game.

720
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: So when you ask where the rush, where's the log jam?

721
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: The log jams on the defensive line. They got sixteen

722
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: defensive linemen. I think they'll figure it out. I do

723
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: think they'll figure that. There's some guys like when you

724
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: bring him and Hider, you know, we didn't even talk

725
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: about him, Oh Quinn, oh Crawford, Yeah, well what about

726
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: Carrie Hider and and and Jalen Jelks is going to

727
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: make life difficult for somebody. Yeah, you know what, this

728
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: this is just okay. This is another just gut feeling.

729
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I like Jalen Jokes a lot. And I think that

730
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Jokes end up on the practice squad. That's just

731
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: me and that's pretty good if yeah, yeah, that happens.

732
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I think if we got sixteen guys, you're gonna see okay,

733
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: and and maybe maybe Joe Jackson ends up on the

734
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: practice squad too. About Dorence Armstrong where they drafted a

735
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: year ago. Now he's been the starting left defensive end

736
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: and so they're thinking to things for him. A matter

737
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: of fact, talking to some phocists, I asked about him

738
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: and like, how's he doing? He goes man yesterday yesterday

739
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: being Monday's practice, he was, he was coming off, he was,

740
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's going against there there. It's it's it's

741
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: a backup tackle situation over there. It's not you know,

742
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: it's not Lyle Collins. But he but he's doing some

743
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: good things over there. They said, So it's Mickey's guy,

744
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, Cam Fleming. I say, you're a guy, Mickey

745
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: and jest. I know you and Cam Fleming are not

746
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: best friends. Guys. I didn't say I didn't like them,

747
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: just you just thought they could do better at offensive tackle.

748
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: Who's signed? Who's signed? Chaz Green? Yesterday? Jazz Green? Yes, yes,

749
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: they somebody asked me on Twitter, they go, hey, it

750
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: told us about Chazz Green. I'm like, well, you said

751
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: Denver now and you know and I but see that

752
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: just shows you though with offensive linemen sometimes it's it

753
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: takes a while. You got to learn how to hold

754
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: trip and clip. You know, you know it would be

755
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: that guy and maybe if he clearly Chaz Green hasard

756
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: because he'd let go by. So what was pointing on

757
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming before I interrupted? No, Cam, The thing about

758
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: that he was beating it that that Armstrong is defeating

759
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming. You know, that's that's the battle there. That's

760
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: not defeating Lyle Collins. It's it's you know that way,

761
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: it's that Yeah, it's kind of Let's go back to

762
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Let's go to Dave and California. Next

763
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: up here on Talking Cowboy Now voices that Bill, Hi, Dave, Hi, Bill,

764
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: how are you doing very well? Thank you? My mom

765
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: would not be happy. And that is my name is

766
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Dave Lynn spilled from one word. It's one way. She

767
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: went through a lifetime of correcting my coaches on that.

768
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: What what is your given name? D A V L

769
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: Y N N. Yeah? Named after two very influential people

770
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: in their lives. So cool Lynn Scott and who else

771
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: Lynn Scott? I haven't thought about in fifteen years? Yeah, yeah,

772
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: Now I will say this. They were both Cowboy fans.

773
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: There you good? Hey, Brian, I don't I don't think

774
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: you're right about okay saying that you were wrong and

775
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: what you said about Randy Gregory. I think you were

776
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: spot on and what Yeah, I think Randy Gregory then

777
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: grew up and remade himself and now has a passion.

778
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: But when you said it at the time you said it,

779
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: I think you were right, and Randy deserves some kudos

780
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: for changing the player he is. He Does that make sense? Yeah,

781
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: it does. But you don't have to defend me on

782
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: that I was wrong about the guy. I was very

783
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: critical of him, and I you know, I didn't know

784
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: that his sickness was a mental thing. And this is

785
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: where I learned a lesson, I believe where I learned

786
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: that if somebody has a sickness, and you're saying it's

787
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: it's he likes smoking marijuana more than he does like

788
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: playing football. That's that's that's that's being an idiot. And

789
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: I and I and I will point the finger at

790
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: myself for that because he I did not know he

791
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: had a sickness. But you know, the more I learned

792
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: about his situation, the more I realized what an idiot

793
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: I was. So I appreciate you coming on and defending me,

794
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: but please, don't you need to you need to blaspheme

795
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: for not digging in deeper on he also had people

796
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: taking advantage of them. Yeah, at a very young age. Sure,

797
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: sure there's predators out there were absolutely that, yep. But

798
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: we also need to give him credit for changing himself,

799
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: no question, no question. All right, So I want to

800
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: throw out a hypothetical. Let's say that all of our

801
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: evaluations on the D line, uh, they just don't turn out.

802
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: By the end of the preseason, we see that all

803
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: the inside the three and the ones okay, the one

804
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: of the three okay, finding out by the end the

805
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: preseason that the Indianapolis and the Lost Dress could steal

806
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: gashes up the mill okay, and we're looking around and

807
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: go what what can we do? So I said, what

808
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: I'd like to have you guys do is what guy

809
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: do you want to go after to fix the bleeding?

810
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: And which one of your three all prooffensive linement would

811
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: you give up to give him to get him? Okay, Oh, Davelin,

812
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that question. It looks like

813
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: you got knocked off the air. I don't want to

814
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: give up. Sorry, sorry, sorry, find somebody else, do you have?

815
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: You have somebody in mind that you would like to

816
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: it'd have to be somebody young, probably you would want

817
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: to you would you trade? Would you be more willing

818
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: to trade a pick like you did for Cooper? I'm

819
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: just saying a pick. I didn't say a first round pick.

820
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: I said a pick, you know, like a first, second,

821
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: or third round pick. Would you be willing to do that?

822
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: I just don't have you somebody off the top of

823
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: my head either for you know, and I don't know

824
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: if you'd want to go get a you'd obviously want to.

825
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: The human log is really good at one. I think

826
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see Hill play the under tackle myself.

827
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: You know you need Malik to stay healthy. I'm trying

828
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: to think of who I would I'm trying to think

829
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: of who I would go after. I would like to

830
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: go after. I'd go after somebody young, is what I

831
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: would try and do if I'm going to do this,

832
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: so kind of as a well, the other part of

833
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: that is we're not going to know at the end

834
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: of training camp, at the end of the preseason. Yeah, yeah, yep,

835
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: where it's going to be if if there is a

836
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: problem with the interior or the defensive line. D it's

837
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: not going to be until the trade deadline basically before

838
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: we know that. Was there one person that led to

839
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: what happened in those two games? It was a bad

840
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: overall effort, I mean a bad playing this got their

841
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: ass kicked. Bad effort, Yeah, you know, and and Antoine

842
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Woods played that game with a torn a torn labor

843
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: right and it happened early in the game and he

844
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: played through it. Yeah, So, um, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just trying to think about guys that

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Speaker 1: you would Again, it'd have to be a young guy

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Speaker 1: that you want to do that you can like what

848
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Speaker 1: you did with him, because somebody that is not going

849
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Speaker 1: to give up a twenty four year old defensive tackle

850
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Speaker 1: who's a Pro Bowl caliber player. Think he does not

851
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Speaker 1: like this game? But no, Mickey, but but but what

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Speaker 1: Davelyn wanted to do with I know he wanted he

853
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Speaker 1: wanted to move one of your offensive lines. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: Would you move Vile Collins? He wasn't one of the

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Speaker 1: three Pro Bowlers. Well let's let's let's use him as

856
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Speaker 1: let's use him as an example. Then let's not let's

857
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Speaker 1: not move, let's not move one of the three Pro bowlers.

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Speaker 1: But let's move. Let's move Lyle Collins. What do you say,

859
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Speaker 1: who's taking his place? Well, that's where we're gonna go

860
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Speaker 1: with Fleming. We're gonna go with maybe we've seen Connor

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Speaker 1: Williams already play a little left tackle, left guard. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's just discussion we had two weeks ago. When I said,

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Speaker 1: do you want to win or do you want to

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I always I think that

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868
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869
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Speaker 1: I think that if it doesn't work out. What would

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871
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Speaker 1: You know, what's the best trading piece you have? Just

873
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Speaker 1: the best trading piece you have is law Collins? Your

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Speaker 1: best trading piece? Do you think? Guys? But what if

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Speaker 1: they want to keep them? I'm just saying, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know if you if you had, if you had to

877
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Speaker 1: trade a player. So you're saying you play Connor Williams

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Speaker 1: at Reich tackle who I would say, so, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Mickey doesn't like Cam Fleming And what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Then you not personally, not personally, No, what we're playing

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Speaker 1: Looney's played sixteen games for you. Its center did a

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885
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886
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887
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Speaker 1: that's that's the next test. But everything we've heard is,

894
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895
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Speaker 1: if you do all that, then who's your backup center? McGovern?

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Speaker 1: You can't just because you got a little bit of depth,

897
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Speaker 1: you can't keep marginalizing it. He could go somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: I drafted him in the third round. That didn't mean

899
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Speaker 1: they have first round picks. They were first round picks.

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Speaker 1: No that that that shouldn't bother you making. But he

902
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Speaker 1: was a blinking light. Remember he was well that's fine. Second. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one thing about Lyle Collins. If the Cowboys have determined

904
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905
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Speaker 1: have to question whether other teams are looking at him

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Speaker 1: I don't know that the Cowboys would trade him in

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Speaker 1: that's why you got kicked off the girls? Are they?

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Speaker 1: You got more info on Michael Brocker. No, I just

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Speaker 1: two questions. All right, So the order they're playing the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: don't pay attention to that making Okay, that was my question.

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Speaker 1: Don't pay attention because he's been getting the second ye.

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Speaker 1: Herky said, don't pay any attention to that, right, okay,

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Speaker 1: don't pay attention. And this past uh Ota that we

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Speaker 1: got to watch, did you see who made all the

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Speaker 1: field goals? Yes? What was his name? Where the Red

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Speaker 1: yard line for the attempt Where the Red Fern Grows, Casey,

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Speaker 1: Where the Red Fern Grows, Red Fern? All right? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's a double punter kicker guy. That's reating That's

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Speaker 1: where we were last year, right at this, Yeah, Mackey,

1031
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Speaker 1: we need to pay attention to special teams instead of

1032
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Speaker 1: talking to the crowd along the fence line. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as Mayer they kind of going, Okay, we got to

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Speaker 1: take a look at this or we hang on. I

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Speaker 1: a kicker first, yes? Last year? Is Red Fern a

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Speaker 1: How does it matter? I don't know. He got rid

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Speaker 1: We almost wasn't big enough for his punts. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Pay attention. We can't ignore it. I learned my lesson

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Speaker 1: there looking at him and Dan. We loved Dan, but

1053
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: like he had a couple bad days Early had two

1054
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: bad days in a row. Yeah, and that's what got

1055
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: everybody kind of going on because he missed one. But

1056
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: in your mind you're thinking, Okay, well, if they were

1057
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: to make a change, it wouldn't be this guy. So

1058
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: you bring in some veterans for tryouts like they've done

1059
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: in the past, because myher didn't have experience. But the

1060
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: guy just kept making kicks and nobody paid attention to

1061
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: it until he made that kick in Houston. And I

1062
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: remember saying this on the radio Brad Sham I said,

1063
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's good for him. Somebody if it's gonna

1064
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: need a kick or they're gonna bring this guy in

1065
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be able to have a little good

1066
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: feeling about, you know, kicking and next thing you know,

1067
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: it's lining up and kicking field goals for you opening day,

1068
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: that was you know, that might have been that might

1069
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: have been the biggest surprise of training camp for me.

1070
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: That maybe that's an understatement there, Well, that's one of

1071
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: the biggest I've seen them make it last time, and

1072
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: even after he made the fifty seven yard field goal

1073
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: in Houston and then two days I didn't give a chance.

1074
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: I didn't give him a chance to man. I thought

1075
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: they were just going to continue on with Dan Bailey.

1076
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of nerve that they

1077
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: gave up on Dez when they did this. Was double

1078
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of nerve to do that with the kicker

1079
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, so that money was a factor too.

1080
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I just thought I'd throw the question out there. Yeah,

1081
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: good question. We need to pay attention. Let's not ignore it.

1082
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: I need to pay you know, just Casey Redfern, just

1083
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: reading up on him, doing a little research on him.

1084
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: He has been a valued player in the NFL. He's

1085
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: been with Jacksonville, San Diego, Carolina, Cleveland, Detroit, and now Dallas.

1086
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: I say he's been a valued player because Cleveland, the

1087
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: Panthers actually traded Redfern and a fourth round pick to

1088
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: the Cleveland for Andy Lee, who hasn't been in this

1089
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: league and rounder. And then he made the team with

1090
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Detroit two years ago, he was announced as the starting punter,

1091
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: beating out the incumbent Sam Martin, and then in the

1092
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: first game of the year. He suffered a torn ACL

1093
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: MCL and partially torn patel attendon after he was hit

1094
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: by Arizona Cardinals tight end I Phoene MoMA near the

1095
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: sideline after Redfern took a bubbled snap in his own

1096
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: end zone and tried to run for a first down. Mom,

1097
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: what's that MoMA? I was thinking maybe they had a

1098
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: bounty on him and they sent him after the kicker

1099
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: like the old Cowboys days. Cowboy days. Yeah, Bounty Bowl.

1100
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: And he's twenty seven years old. Man, this show has

1101
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: been all day, last year to morrow. You know where

1102
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: he went to college, Yes, Wafford South. That's in South Carolina.

1103
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: I've been football game too, by the way, all right,

1104
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna make time for me. He's minute South Carolina.

1105
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: The training camp, that's where Carolin holds her training camp.

1106
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: That used there, you go, Yeah, they used to. They

1107
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: used to do it at Furman. Oh all right, I

1108
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: hear music that means boys, we'll talk at you again

1109
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Speaker 1: next week. This has been