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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Can somebody do the Ouiji board by themselves?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can. Here's an interesting fact about me.

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Speaker 4: I always thought you need to use it with a

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Speaker 4: partner for thirty nine years, the first thirty nine years

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Speaker 4: of using this board, because on the back of my

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Speaker 4: box when I got my board in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 4: it said use it with a partner, preferably male female.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to.

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Speaker 4: Enlist my younger brother to do the board with me

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Speaker 4: all the time. And then I started working just with

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Speaker 4: my women friends, girlfriends and stuff, and then the guys

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Speaker 4: or whoever. But I thought that that's what was needed

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Speaker 4: because it works so well for me when I did

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Speaker 4: use it with another person. But on the thirty ninth year,

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Speaker 4: I thought, why am I not using this board by myself?

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Speaker 3: Let me try it.

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Speaker 4: And I had some friends who told me they could

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Speaker 4: do it without another person. So I started doing that,

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Speaker 4: and I can use the board by myself.

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Speaker 3: I have good experiences.

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Speaker 4: Still, I would say the messages don't tend to be

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Speaker 4: as verbose or or maybe I get paragraphs. I get

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Speaker 4: pages and pages Before the plan chet stops.

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Speaker 3: But when I do by myself, it.

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Speaker 4: Tends to be a little more direct and I might

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Speaker 4: get maybe just a paragraph. So I'm just a sentencer too,

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Speaker 4: and of course I'll have another question or comment and

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Speaker 4: more messages will come through. But it just works differently

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Speaker 4: for me. So yeah, you can learn to use it alone.

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Speaker 4: And I will say this. People write to me all

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Speaker 4: the time and tell me I can't get this device

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Speaker 4: to work. It doesn't always work so quickly, not saying

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Speaker 4: it can't. It worked well for me right out of

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Speaker 4: the box, but it doesn't do that for everybody. And

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Speaker 4: I find when people use it by themselves, it's more

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Speaker 4: of a learning curve because you have to learn to

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Speaker 4: since that real subtle sensation of the planchet wanting to move.

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Speaker 4: It's like a polling sensation, so subtle that you might

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Speaker 4: miss it if you're thinking too much about it. And

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Speaker 4: people who do the board by themselves tend to think, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm pushing it.

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Speaker 3: It's hard.

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Speaker 4: I always say, start with the partner, learn what that

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Speaker 4: feeling feels like, and then translate it to you trying

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Speaker 4: it by yourself.

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Speaker 3: So yes, it can be done.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing it by yourself. I heard you mentioned

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Speaker 2: automatic writing. There's pages and pages. Wouldn't it be a

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Speaker 2: quicker means to an end for somebody like you just

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Speaker 2: have a yellow pad and a pen and just go

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Speaker 2: just kind of I do that too.

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Speaker 4: I do that too, or I direct channel now, which

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Speaker 4: is my voice and hearing the words come through.

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Speaker 3: This helped me.

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Speaker 4: Using the tool really helped me understand that I was

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Speaker 4: The tool works because I work. Has nothing to do

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Speaker 4: with the tool itself. It's just a tool device and

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Speaker 4: inanimate object. It works because I work because I already

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Speaker 4: had the abilities to channel. I already was seen to

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Speaker 4: seize people and spirit beings and all kinds of interesting

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Speaker 4: lights and stuff that many people didn't see that were there.

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Speaker 3: I already have these abilities and just allowed me to

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Speaker 3: fine tune them and hone them in. Or then it

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Speaker 3: allowed me.

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Speaker 4: To go step further and be off the board and

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Speaker 4: still channel. So yeah, it's it allows you, it can

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Speaker 4: help you learn to channel. In fact, there's some famous

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Speaker 4: people out there who have used the board throughout since

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Speaker 4: since his inception back in the late eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 3: To you used it to write.

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Speaker 4: Incredible novels or plays or poetic stories and all kinds.

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Speaker 3: Of interesting information started.

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Speaker 4: They might have started movements, spiritual movements, or even the

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Speaker 4: AA movement. Bill Wilson who started the AA Tenants of movement,

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Speaker 4: he actually used the leision board to channel those tenants. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I can tell you all kinds of many famous people

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Speaker 4: who have used this tool over the years, and they

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Speaker 4: used it for like either.

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Speaker 3: Inspiration artistic artistic endeavors such as writing.

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Speaker 4: They use it to create award winning novels. Jack Harron

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Speaker 4: was a work of art written by Emily Grant Grant.

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Speaker 3: Hutchins Hutchings who she said she.

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Speaker 4: Channeled Mark Twain and channeled to write that book. And

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Speaker 4: people say, well, that's that's horrible work. If that's Mark Twain,

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Speaker 4: eas these do terrible in the laughter life.

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Speaker 3: But she was kind of made fun of.

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Speaker 4: And some people may know about Pearl Curran who channeled

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Speaker 4: Patience Worth, who was a seventeenth century woman who's spoken

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Speaker 4: an old dialect, an old English dialect that this woman

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Speaker 4: only had an eighth grade education. She never even would

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Speaker 4: have heard this dialect before. But she went on to channel

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Speaker 4: her for many many years, twenty five years. She worked

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Speaker 4: with her and brought forth all kinds of short stories, poems,

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Speaker 4: and books that won acclades. I mean, the list goes

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Speaker 4: on and on, But you can use this tool to

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Speaker 4: even inspire yourself, be creative, to get gain insight wisdom

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Speaker 4: into yourself, your life, or and or to communicate with

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Speaker 4: your loved ones. You can explore I call it exploring

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Speaker 4: the consciousness of the universe. You can explore with this tool,

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Speaker 4: and it just helps you get to a place where

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Speaker 4: you can springboard off of that, as many of these

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Speaker 4: people did, such as Jane Roberts, who channeled the whole

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Speaker 4: Seth material. She started on a waged board when she

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Speaker 4: met Seth and about three months later got off the

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Speaker 4: board and started channel in him directly.

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Speaker 2: This is some kind of crazy interviews to watch over

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Speaker 2: the years.

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Speaker 4: Right now, you've seen him right the old Black Line

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Speaker 4: wasn't great to watch, and you can see her speaker

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Speaker 4: language changes the way she talks and she's channeling stuff directly.

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Speaker 3: But she learned and met him on a wisul board.

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Speaker 3: So the list goes on and on how you can use.

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Speaker 4: This tool, and you can use it just like I said,

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Speaker 4: to do self improvement kinds of things like if you

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Speaker 4: talk to your higher self, you're inner self, you get

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Speaker 2: I wonder what's going on here in America in the

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Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds where that in seances and just magic

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Speaker 2: shows like Houdini and that that sort of culture seemed

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Speaker 2: to be really captivating for Americans. The ghost stories that

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Speaker 2: all that stuff sort of kind of just really popped

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Speaker 2: up in the eighteen eighties or so. What do you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, actually it's about eighteen forty eight, and we

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Speaker 4: have to talk about the Fox Sisters out of Hydesville,

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Speaker 4: dead peddler who was buried under their cabin and they

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Speaker 4: would wrapping in knocking sounds as they pointed to alphabets

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Speaker 4: became an overnight sensation. The Three Scissors went on to

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Speaker 4: basically start the modern spiritualist movement.

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Speaker 3: And so having different.

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Speaker 4: Happened about eighteen forty eight, eighteen fifty, mid eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 4: great mass carnage, losing their family members. They also want

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Speaker 4: the trickery, the trickery they were doing at these events.

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Speaker 4: And then there were some people that were not. There's

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Speaker 4: some really incredible psychic mediums that were developed or came

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Speaker 3: So it was a neat time to.

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Speaker 4: Really explore what happens when you die. It was more

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Speaker 4: based on the decease really, and then you've got to

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Speaker 4: look at their nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties and forties when

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Speaker 4: pretty much everybody had one of these tools and their

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Speaker 4: parlors because we just went through two great wars and

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Speaker 4: again mass carnage, losing your loved ones and wanting to

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Speaker 3: To maybe communicate with them one last time.

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Speaker 4: And there was even a group of people named the Finleys,

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Speaker 4: this is in nineteen sixteen. They began communicating with this

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Speaker 4: fascinating communication with the soldier. His name is Steven, and

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Speaker 4: published book in nineteen twenty called Our Unseen Guest, So

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Speaker 4: other people were doing this as well. But that's a

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Speaker 4: you could probably find that on line, Our Unseen Guest

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Speaker 2: What do you think in your travels, we would be

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Speaker 2: most surprised to hear about what you've learned or picked

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Speaker 3: Well, let me share a little story with you, if

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Speaker 4: That happened in the mid eighties, actually early eighties, it

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Speaker 3: So I was using the board a lot with a

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Speaker 4: Sisters college friends, and I brought it to college with

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Speaker 4: me and I said we're going to use the Ouija board,

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Speaker 4: and they're like, okay, whatever. But I had a few

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Speaker 4: And I got such incredible information, that private information that

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Speaker 3: What are you doing? How did you get this?

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, I'm getting it from your friend

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Speaker 4: they were kind of raunchy stories. They were telling they

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Speaker 4: were spilling the beans on like things they were doing

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Speaker 4: at the university, at the fraternity house or something. So

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Speaker 4: it was they couldn't deny those stories. So I said

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Speaker 4: really well together, I said, let's blindfold ourself. Let's take

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Speaker 4: out the element of being able to see, and let's

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Speaker 4: somebody else write whatever letters are coming through, and let's

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Speaker 4: just see what happens. I knew it was working so

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Speaker 3: So we did that.

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Speaker 4: We blindfolded ourselves, and we had an audience of about

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Speaker 4: eight different girls sitting around us, and they're like, what

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Speaker 3: So my friend and I blindfolded.

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Speaker 4: could not see. I had another gal sit there and

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Speaker 4: take dictation as it stopped on the letters. Well, that

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Speaker 4: plantchet started going. We're super fast moving around that board, fast, fast, fast, fast,

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Speaker 4: fast that it stops, and as it stops, I hear

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Speaker 4: somebody crying. I take my blindfold off and I said,

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Speaker 4: are you okay. She's like, yes, yes. I kind of

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Speaker 4: got some of the words that it was saying, and

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Speaker 4: I asked the gal who was right, and I said.

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Speaker 3: Would you please read what you just what you just wrote?

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Speaker 3: And so here it is. This is it. I capt

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Speaker 3: these these.

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Speaker 4: I keep copious notes on every session I had, and

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Speaker 4: I started doing that in the eighties, So this is

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Speaker 4: exactly what it said.

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Speaker 3: He said, Hello, Leyla, this is your sister. I am fine.

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Speaker 3: Tell mom and dad that I am fine. So is

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Speaker 3: my boyfriend. We love you all. We are still with you.

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Speaker 3: We felt no pain and died on impact.

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Speaker 4: The only pain we ever felt was the pain the

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Speaker 4: family felt and expressed at our funerals. We are at

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Speaker 4: peace and feel love. Please do not be concerned about

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Speaker 4: us anymore. Know that we love you and will always

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Speaker 4: be with you.

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Speaker 3: We will be with you again. I love you all.

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Speaker 4: At that moment of that message, I didn't know it,

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Speaker 4: but one of the gals in there who started crying

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Speaker 4: had a dead sister who just died a few years earlier.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea. In fact, only one of the

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Speaker 3: The rest of us did not know that.

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Speaker 4: And I learned that how close and how delicate that

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Speaker 4: that I'll call it, the veil between life people in

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Speaker 3: Is so so narrow. It's right there, and they're.

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Speaker 2: Wonderfully it's so hard for us, us muggles to see that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's it's a good it's a good

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Speaker 4: thing we can't because we're here to focus on our

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Speaker 4: or what could have been, should have been, in the

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Speaker 4: sadness which we do have grief, and that's that's really

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Speaker 4: a true testament.

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Speaker 3: To how much we loved and how much they loved us.

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Speaker 3: That level of that grief, that's.

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Speaker 4: A necessary thing to go through when you lose someone

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, if.

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Speaker 4: We're so caught up in all these lives we lived before,

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Speaker 4: or all the people the players in our life that

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Speaker 4: we loved, it's like we wouldn't be able to move.

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Speaker 3: Forward in our life.

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Speaker 4: We're really here as like an evolutionary school to learn

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Speaker 4: and to grow.

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Speaker 3: Same on the other side.

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Speaker 4: And I also when I talk to some of these

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Speaker 4: people who have moved on, they will they will say

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Speaker 4: that they're here for a time, and often they're saying

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Speaker 4: we're I'm ready or we're ready to move on because

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Speaker 4: we want to not interfere with the life of that person.

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Speaker 4: And so this girl's sister was trying to say, like

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Speaker 4: this dead sister when I first started this tool in

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Speaker 4: seventy three, was going to be around that family and

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