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Speaker 1: Wes F slip service. I'm Angela Yee, I'm Gg maguire,

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Speaker 1: I'm Laura.

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Speaker 2: Maura, and I'm Selena Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Hey she's that's Selena. Yeah, don't laugh for you. She's

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Speaker 1: a talk show host to Sister Circle, it is, and

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Speaker 1: that's correct. Did you love doing that?

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Speaker 2: I really love I really loved Sister Circle because it

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Speaker 2: was in studio when we went back to Crown. That

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Speaker 2: we were in the bubble and we were doing Fox.

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Speaker 2: So I love my co host, but I hated being

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Speaker 2: like in the computer because like you'd be talking and

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Speaker 2: somebody be talking and then you have to wait all

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Speaker 2: the way to the silent and then say something. So

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Speaker 2: that was kind of difficult trying to, you know, figure

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Speaker 2: out how to do that successfully. But I do like

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Speaker 2: being on talk platforms. It's a relief sometimes singing there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure and a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of preparation and stuff. So yeah, I really loved it.

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Speaker 2: Plus Sister Circle was was the most fun too because

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Speaker 2: we had guests. I enjoyed your Sister Circle, so that

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Speaker 2: was the time. It was a time, but we had guests,

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Speaker 2: so that was fun, you know, to be able to

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Speaker 2: converse with other people and learn about other people's life

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Speaker 2: and story, like the story, and be on the other

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Speaker 2: side because as an artist the whole time, I'd never

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Speaker 2: been on the other side, you know. So I learned

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Speaker 2: a lot of things on huh okay, now see why,

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Speaker 2: Well then that makes sense why they've been doing, you know, so.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, it is also Women's Month, and International Women's

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Speaker 1: Day is March eighth, Yes, and so I really want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that you see, we have

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Speaker 1: an all women cast on lip Service always and I

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Speaker 1: love them. We have our women guests, and so you,

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Speaker 1: like we just talked about, you've been in spaces where

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Speaker 1: it's been all women. So I just want to take

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Speaker 1: a moment to acknowledge all of the podcasts and shows

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Speaker 1: out there that represent for women, because we need those

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Speaker 1: safe spaces to be able to talk and to be

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Speaker 1: able to express ourselves.

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Speaker 2: You know, emphasis on safe space safe.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And so I heard it's doing this International Women's

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Speaker 1: Day initiative. It's called the Women Take the Mic, And

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Speaker 1: so I just want each of us and I love

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Speaker 1: this because you also have this journal here yes, music, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but as we are talking about women. Take the mic.

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Speaker 1: I want each of us to just have a reflection

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Speaker 1: on what it means for you like to be a woman,

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Speaker 1: and to embrace other women too, and just moments of

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Speaker 1: maybe people who have done something amazing for you. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you, Laura.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Well for me, I've been blessed to always have strong

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Speaker 4: women I who inspire me, who encourages me to be

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Speaker 4: you know, I've grown up single mom by myself. Mother

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Speaker 4: was there but couldn't be there as much as she

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Speaker 4: wanted to. You know, my sister was away in the army.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have like a family female sister. But I've

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Speaker 4: always been blessed and God has always blessed me to

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Speaker 4: put women in my life. Every single woman in my life,

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Speaker 4: whether they're here or not, has had a huge impression

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Speaker 4: in my life. Like I've always and able to look

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Speaker 4: and see and have leaders, and it's always been the women,

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Speaker 4: Like every single time. Sometimes I'm like, God, how is

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Speaker 4: it that I've been so blessed to be around so

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Speaker 4: letting them know I've been do that, don't do that.

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Speaker 4: But I've been blessed and I'm so thankful where I'm

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Speaker 2: It's because of all the women that's been around me.

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Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, Like it was hard for

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Speaker 1: Right, Sometimes you got to put yourself first. And that's

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Speaker 5: And yeah, and my.

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Speaker 4: Friends always always always reminded me or no, like you

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Speaker 4: have to put into yourself, like when you're on a plane,

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Speaker 3: Those in need.

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Speaker 4: And my friends always provided that in everywhere and ugly

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Speaker 4: and even when I didn't like it, like what are

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Speaker 1: Love mine, mana. What about you when you think about

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, my mother was, My mother is a

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Speaker 2: But the women in my life did a very good

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I didn't always move like that, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: But I think I had a solid foundation that was

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Speaker 2: built by women. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get something done right, ask a

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Speaker 2: It's the truth. Though, it's the truth. It's not even

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Speaker 2: men hire a bunch of women to push their companies, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, no shade, and they be black, But I'm

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Speaker 2: I've just if your friends are a reflection of who

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Speaker 1: What about you, Gig, what would you say? So?

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Speaker 5: I would definitely say that I always consider myself a

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Speaker 3: I come from a family full of women.

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Speaker 5: I have older sisters, aunts, and you know, family members

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Speaker 5: And that's hard to maintain, you know, as women, when

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Speaker 5: I have. And I also want to take this opportunity,

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Speaker 5: Angela to give you your flowers someone okay, because look at

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Speaker 5: this space that you've created for us and have brought

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Speaker 5: me into. And we'll be celebrating ten years in September doing.

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Speaker 1: G always knows how long it's been.

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Speaker 3: I don't because she just yeah, I'll be on it.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm just grateful for this opportunity that

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Speaker 3: So I just want to thank you like.

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Speaker 5: I always do for this, and I also appreciate the

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Speaker 5: friendship that we have and have been able to maintain

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Speaker 5: for so many years as well.

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Speaker 1: Well. I love to see when my friends win. So

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Speaker 1: when Gigi's like, oh, we got this documentary, and like

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Speaker 1: to see when she's happy about something, and she'd be like, okay, girl,

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Speaker 1: I'm calling and telling us. But I think that's what

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Speaker 1: it's really about for us. A lot of times they

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Speaker 2: So for me, it was about, you know, my father

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Speaker 2: So monsters in the closet came from, you know, thinking

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you say all that because people don't understand.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know what to do, you didn't know better,

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Speaker 1: Weren't support that either. No, I feel like now there's

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Speaker 2: if you would have said something in real life, probably

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Speaker 1: And because I always feel like people only get away

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Speaker 2: Something, And these people take the risk all the time.

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Speaker 2: but that's a narcissism too, Right, Narcissists don't have that

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Speaker 1: I mean like, I feel good that even though it

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Speaker 2: like that. So you get further just being kind, just

436
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 2: being kind of people because you don't know who's who,

437
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: and you don't know who God will elevate in any

438
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: given time. So you being mean to somebody right now,

439
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: Like let's say we mean to the sound man right now,

440
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: then here come another show that he's on and or

441
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: that he's in charge of, and then here come your

442
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: name is comes up as talented book and he's like,

443
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 2: oh no, she was a bitch. And this there it

444
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: goes opportunity out the window.

445
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: But the best thing is when he'd be like, oh

446
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: my god, I love to work at her. We should

447
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: get her because there's so many opportunities I can get

448
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: just from being on time, being pleasant, doing my job,

449
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: being prepared, showing up.

450
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: Doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

451
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: How about just because.

452
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Now I want to Now this is lip service. Still

453
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: what that means you know, we're gonna talk about some

454
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: things up here. Oh God, okay, but I do want

455
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: to dig into relationships somewhere. So the first time you

456
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: got married? How over were you twenty.

457
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: Two, twenty three?

458
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I had no business. I was gonna ask you,

459
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: so what makes you think like this is? You know

460
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: right now I'm ready, Like, how did that even happen?

461
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: Do you want the real truth? You may tell you

462
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 2: something that's like phone we went, the real truth. I

463
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: was bored. It's the truth, okay, And I had to

464
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: really admit it to myself because I when I when

465
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: I did get after it was all said and done,

466
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: you wanted you wanted to believe that, No, I really

467
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: was in love. I really was bored.

468
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

469
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: I signed to Jive Records in nineteen ninety eight, and

470
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the label, just sitting, you know,

471
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: I was working on material. But one year had gone by,

472
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: two years gone by. I started dating this guy. He's

473
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: a really nice guy, and we were like, I guess

474
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: we were in love because we was together all the time,

475
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: but I was, you know, it was bored. I was like,

476
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: let's do something, you know, And then when it was

477
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: like this how the proposal went, you think we should

478
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: get married. Let's just get married.

479
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: We ain't doing nothing.

480
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 3: Now that's.

481
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: Bored. So then go to the store. Ooh, we pick

482
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: out a ring. I think we went to CA's Jewelry

483
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: back then, so we went to the Case jewelry. You know,

484
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: we was in college. We went to the k jury

485
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 2: picked out a little ring and then he tried to

486
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: do the whole you know what. He was a gentleman

487
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: about it. He went and asked my mom and all that.

488
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: So that was like something to be doing, probably from

489
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: the impatience or the anxiety of I've been signed to

490
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: the slavel when nothing's happening kind of thing.

491
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: I gotta do something in my life. I'm doing something.

492
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a distraction and excitement and then when

493
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: it started it became proper mad and so then that's

494
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: why that didn't work, because I didn't take into consideration.

495
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: Things about any of them. Nothing, just this is fun

496
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: to do.

497
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: Let's go. I had thirtwo girls, so ghetto at thirteen

498
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: brass Maids. It was so ghetto. Girl. We came down

499
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: the aisle to Moments.

500
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Of Love, was so gathered, lot of friends listen, they

501
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: had candles and it was it was get help up.

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: And it was on the West side of Chicago.

503
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: Girl.

504
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: We was up at that church, like I went the

505
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: two steps.

506
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: Down the hound.

507
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: Listen that.

508
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: Day, Girl, I was. I was so taed at the

509
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: at the reunion. What do you call the receptnion, because

510
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: that's what it felt like, reginion. But I was so

511
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: tired at the reception that I didn't even really get

512
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: to eat or anything because it was so busy. There

513
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: was so much The Little Muppet people was in there.

514
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: And then Joe came in there and saying because we

515
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: was on the same label, so my label surprised me

516
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: and had Joe comeing there. Girl was a mess. And

517
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: then my cousin stole my car at night and went

518
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: to go be with some girls. We was at the

519
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: hotel and he brought my car back. It was numbers

520
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: all on the floor. It was just a ghetto ass

521
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: did But he was a nice guy. He just was

522
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: too young, and so was I.

523
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: How long did it last?

524
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: Girl? Five seconds? We got we were together for a year,

525
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: We got married, and we were and then I went

526
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: on tour with R Kelly, the TP two tour, and

527
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: that's when he was he was my He was my

528
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: role man, okay, And it had nothing to do with R.

529
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: Kelly and them because we were kind of separate, like

530
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: we was opening over here acting our food on that tour,

531
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: he was getting on my nerves.

532
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: By the time the tour was over, the marriage was over.

533
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: To absolutely but nothing just like that I'm talking about.

534
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: Right when it was over, it was like, I'm staying

535
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: at my mama house and I don't never want to

536
00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: see you again.

537
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was it?

538
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: Though?

539
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: During the time when he was still a nice guy,

540
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: he was still nice, He was a nice day.

541
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: He was baby. He wasn't but twenty he was younger

542
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: than me. He was like twenty one. Oh damn, yeah,

543
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: we was babies.

544
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: What do you think about working with somebody who you're

545
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: married to?

546
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so for some people that works, like my girl

547
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: Avery Sunshine, her and Dana. That works for them because

548
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Dana is a musician, so when she performs, he's performing,

549
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, right, So that that works

550
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: in that instance. But Dana's also management too. But Avery

551
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: and Dana are like best friends, so that works. But

552
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: then there are other relationships that I that I've you know,

553
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: seen or witnesses witnessed over the years that it didn't work.

554
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't work, and isn't working. You know

555
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: in my opinion, because things just be my opinion why

556
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: they might be thinking they be working. But to me

557
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: it's a conflict of interest in a way because they're

558
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: As an entertainer, sometimes you have to be in a

559
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: character form and that character has to be able to

560
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: attract men and women. But it has to be able.

561
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: It has to be able to attract especially women. Sexuality

562
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: is a big part of marketing for us in terms

563
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: of getting people to want and to buy into your music.

564
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: You know, to feel away, right, so you want to

565
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: create that, you know, that that aura. You want to

566
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: create this character, you know, so that they can buy into.

567
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, whether it's real or not, you still want

568
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 2: to create that for someone. So like if I'm if

569
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm a person that sings ballads, right and I sing

570
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: sexy songs, then people who listen to men who listen

571
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: to my music, they want to feel like a sexy

572
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: that sexy vibe, and they want to be able to

573
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: view me that way. Even if they can't have me,

574
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: they still want to be able to view you that way.

575
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: Just like with men. You can really tell a tank

576
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure women love.

577
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: But they know he's very much mad.

578
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: He is so merry and in love, right, but he

579
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: has to create that that you know, that ideology that

580
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: you can that he's terrible.

581
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: He does that well.

582
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: Actually we've all seen him on stage with no shirt

583
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: and yes, and he's very sexual and listens to be

584
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: right there like that.

585
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Remember one time he said the end of the Soul

586
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: Train Awards and they came together and I had to

587
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: do the carp sister circle and they had on green

588
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: she had on a green dress here on the white

589
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: seat with a green shirt. They looked like they was.

590
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: Going to prime.

591
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 2: And he performed and she was in the audience and

592
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: it was the cutest thing. Everything he did was like

593
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: to her, to her section that. But but that alone

594
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: made other women be like, wish I had a man

595
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: like that, had a go bather record just to keep

596
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: wishing and feeling and what.

597
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: They thought, man's special fight And she's special for like

598
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: wanting that and being able to be there in the audience.

599
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: And I love that he.

600
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: Did that to her because clearly he's a sex symbol.

601
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: But I loved how he openly was like, yo, when

602
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: I go home, it's up you know, and your man,

603
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: it's up for her. She didn't have a good old.

604
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: Time been ahead. It's a good time that all y'all

605
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: want to have and.

606
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: There's nothing we can do about it, you know.

607
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: All right, So now after this first marriage, what were

608
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts on married? Were you like, I'm not doing

609
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: this again, or were you just like.

610
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: I didn't I wanted to get married again because I

611
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: understood that first of all, my husband, my first husband,

612
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad person, so it didn't leave this taste

613
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: in my mouth like marriage is terrible. We were just

614
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: we just didn't know what we were doing. We were

615
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: just again, we were bored, you know. I just feel

616
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: like we were bored. It just felt like something to do.

617
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: But he made it difficult, obviously because you know, I

618
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: guess it was a hard It was a hard detachment

619
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: for him, so it was kind of difficult. It took

620
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: us three years to actually be divorced. That was crazy.

621
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: You know, I want to be able to get up

622
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: and go and just say yeah.

623
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: And we don't have any kids or anything. We have

624
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: any kids, So that was like crazy, Like we should

625
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: have been able to give divorce in two seconds. We

626
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't have nothing. We had no money, We have nothing.

627
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: So even though I came off to the TB two tour.

628
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: I still didn't have that much money because I was

629
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: open and opening. The real opener was Sunshine Avery. Okay,

630
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: it's right, Sunshine, Sunshine, and I get every sunshine Sunshine.

631
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: There's too many.

632
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: Averies and Sunshine, and I loved both of them. Time

633
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: hung it out before Sunshine and which I absolutely loved.

634
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: That was my girl, but she was the real opener,

635
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, and Job Records R. Kelly was like, yeah,

636
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: you can put her on the top. I only had

637
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes of like, you know, Hail Mary, you know,

638
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: at the beginning, you know. So it's not like I

639
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: came off the tour with all this money either.

640
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: So sometimes people pay to be on tour, like yes,

641
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: that's when they're opening. They'll be like, okay, who can.

642
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, technically job Records paid for me to be on

643
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: that tour because I wasn't making any money. The only

644
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: money that we were really making was pre deal, right,

645
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: and the label was paying that. You know. So the

646
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: label paid for the tour bus and let because it

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: was part of the marketing budget.

648
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: And then you owe it back and then you owe

649
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: it pay.

650
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: A whole different conversation.

651
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Which is the monsters in the closet. This is what

652
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying there. This is why we have monsters.

653
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: But people will tell you all the time in the

654
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: music and the music business that everybody goes through that right,

655
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: and they make it seem like it's a right path.

656
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: It's okay, right because you go through it. I mean,

657
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: it's slavery. We all went through slavery back in the day.

658
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: But that wasn't that don't mean it's okay because they

659
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: don't make it seem like, well, everybody signs a bad

660
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: contract at first, and then you go through that and

661
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: then you learn from that and then da dah da

662
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: da da. But that shouldn't be.

663
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: It's like Jesu said, why you just can't do right

664
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: because the right thing? Because it's the right thing.

665
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: All right.

666
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: So then after that, right, what was it like for

667
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: you being single after having been married because you went

668
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: on tour and you were in a relationship on your

669
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: first time. So them, wait, I was out, he was

670
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: outside outside because I can't being a beautiful young artist

671
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that Ku sang. First of all, I had a divorce

672
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: party and I announced it on the radio like it

673
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: was like come out to the divorce party, very regious

674
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: ch in Chicago.

675
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: I know that was and was kicking it. But I

676
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: ran the numbers for a good three years. My third album,

677
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Chapter three, The Flesh, the one one, I'm like, that's

678
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: your guys, that's the song slowly on there and the

679
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: phone and all.

680
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: The little there.

681
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

682
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: Now, just let's just say I enjoyed myself. I had

683
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: a good old time time that you I don't remember,

684
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, because I just was. I never had like

685
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: one person just at one time, okay, you know, to

686
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: start in five Okay, at all times, playing the whole

687
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: game too.

688
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: They played the whole game.

689
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: And you gotta date when you're not locked, you know, because.

690
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: All about yeah, data is date means collecting data. How

691
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: are you going to collect data? You have to do research?

692
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Dating is research.

693
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Now with some of these guys fans like, did you

694
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: ever feel like.

695
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: No, because I dated my pay grade at that time? Okay,

696
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: I dated up, I date and then you know what

697
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: was interesting And I ain't gonna have to put nobody

698
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: name out there because we all a thousand now. But

699
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: they would call my label, They would reach out to

700
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: my label and publicist and dates.

701
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: That used to be the thing. It was also trying

702
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: to have like a hook up that felt like it

703
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: would be publicity.

704
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Why they like the R and B gas, Yeah, especially

705
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: the athletes.

706
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's those athletes. Athletes and the

707
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: R and B girls like the athletes and the labor

708
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: and the label likes that too, because the labels like publicity.

709
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: They like that, they like they get you in a relationship.

710
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: It's a public relationship.

711
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: People talk and get.

712
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: Her and get the people talking.

713
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Now they're just going to dms, that's it.

714
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: But even still, like, I'm a very private human being,

715
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: so I never wanted to, like, I would never be

716
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: up top with people because you know, I wanted to

717
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: have multiple concepts, so I didn't be just like out,

718
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: you know, I'm with this guy on the arms.

719
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever have more than one guy that you

720
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: were dealing with at the same time at a show? Yeah,

721
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: in the audience, Yeah, that's absolutely thing. And then afterward

722
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: they're probably like, I'm coming backstick.

723
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: But nobody's your man. So you don't have egos.

724
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: They do not want to be in that type of

725
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: they don't, but they would never they would never know

726
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: because you know this, let's keep it real.

727
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: Women are much better at this. Yes, men panic women

728
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: are very calm.

729
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: We're solution oriented.

730
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: And men's egos are so big that they think she

731
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: would never do that to me.

732
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: Little do you know? You better tighten the baby. Okay

733
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: that part.

734
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: They'll talk themselves out of it. They could see something

735
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: and be like, nah, she ain't my home wife told me.

736
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: But I know, well, if you didn't see me do it,

737
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: and it's not in record, it did not happen.

738
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: And that's all the way up on to the grave.

739
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: So that's my best thing.

740
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: You said, that's my best sie. I mean, and listen,

741
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: I think it has been hard because and I tell

742
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I tell you this, Laura, like dating one person but

743
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: that's not your man. I always feel like that's not

744
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: the best idea of because you get so invested and

745
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: if they're not trying to commit to you and you're

746
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: not in.

747
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: That friend, he's so mad at me. They're like, you

748
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: got to be on the same page. You mean, you

749
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: can't go with somebody else somewhere like what are you doing?

750
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to let that be known.

751
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you can't like sneaking, you can't be lying.

752
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: You can't be lying. You gotta just you have to

753
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: let people know straight out of the gate, you know.

754
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: And then too with women, we have to also understand

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: you have to have the emotional intelligence to be able

756
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: to accept that they too can have And for me, like, well,

757
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: at that time, because I've been married for seventeen years,

758
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: but at that time, dating like that was better because

759
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: then there's no obligation and you've got something to lose.

760
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: I got something to lose. Like you don't want to bite, No,

761
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to buy.

762
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: No. We good, right, we're doing You're looking at me,

763
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. Why I feel like why?

764
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: That's fun? That's fun, keep it spicy, all right.

765
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: So then how did you end up getting back off

766
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: the market.

767
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: Well, I got real sick of men after a while

768
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: because they they Although I had a start in five

769
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: and all these, you know, it was out here having fun,

770
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: after a while it was getting stupid to the point

771
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: where they just were getting stupid and getting on my

772
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: nerve and then you would be finding other stuff out

773
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: about them. It's like why he didn't tell me that shit,

774
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. That was just cumbersome after

775
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: a while. So I just wanted to be by myself.

776
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: And I just was like, I just need a break

777
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: from men in general, and so I just stopped dating

778
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: everybody and just kind of tried to focus a little

779
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: bit on my career and just like get my thoughts

780
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: processed together. So for about four months, four or five months,

781
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: I was just like just by myself and just okay

782
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: with being by myself, working out real hard. It was

783
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: working on my album, getting ready for Chapter three to

784
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: be released and stuff like that. And then my husband,

785
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: my current husband, he played basketball the time overseas, and

786
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: apparently his cousins, this is very he's cousins of a

787
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: cousins and second cousins, his twin girl cousins worked with

788
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: a very close friend of mine, a very close friend

789
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: of mine's girlfriends. So it wasn't even that they worked

790
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: with him. They worked with his correct. So they had

791
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: a picture on their desk, the twin girlfriends, the twin cousins,

792
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: my cousins now Rashoota and Dahlila. They had a picture

793
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: of me with them taking on their desk because I

794
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: saw him at a party one time and we all

795
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: took a picture, and so he was in town and

796
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: saw the picture on you know, with them and was like, oh,

797
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: y'all know her. That's gonna be my baby, mama. I

798
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: love her, that's my you know, I love her. And

799
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, well, we know her best one

800
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: of her best friend's girlfriends. And then he was like, oh,

801
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: hook that up, not really thinking it was gonna be

802
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: but he called. They called the girlfriend tells my friend,

803
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: and then he tells me, and I'm just like, athlete,

804
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: let me go google him to see what I'm kneeling with.

805
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: He was, okay, he cute here, a red bone, you

806
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: know him, not my type, you know, but he all right.

807
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: You know he's six two and a half, look short,

808
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: but it's cool.

809
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: We taller than me.

810
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: I said, all right, well I go on a date

811
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: with him. I said, but look, I don't. I'm not

812
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: in the move, no bullshit, So tell him don't. I'm

813
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: just I'm not in the move. No athlete bullshit, that

814
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: ego athlete bush, that spoiled mimmy shit. I said, so

815
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: you need to know the people back beforehand. Of course,

816
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: he didn't tell him any of that stuff, you know.

817
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: He just told him all stuff like oh yeah, you know,

818
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: y'all will be good, you know, and then he ended

819
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: up calling me, and he was supposed to call me

820
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: at a certain time. So you know, after that little

821
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: in that four month period, what happened was this, I

822
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: started understanding, Okay, you guys said boundaries, you have to

823
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: do all these little things that I kind of learned

824
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: in the dating that wasn't working, that was causing some

825
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: shit that was like, oh no, you the fool. Oh no,

826
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: I learned. I had to learn that in the dating process.

827
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: So that's why dating is good too, because you have

828
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: to learn what you do like and don't like, and

829
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: what you will and will not talk correct. It's research.

830
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: So I'm ready to now go out and create, you know,

831
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: a dissertation. So he's supposed to call me at four thirty.

832
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: He did not come here five, so I did not

833
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: answer the phone. So I was starting from the gate,

834
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: very petty from the top.

835
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: And he might have been thinking, I'm not trying to

836
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: look thirsty.

837
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: Why, That's probably what he was. But I was like, well,

838
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: according to my clock, I had told you four thirty solid,

839
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: very adamant. Now I'm busy. So then he called back

840
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: like an hour later, and I picked up and act

841
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: like I was sleepy. But we we had a little

842
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: conversation and he I was like, well, he asked me

843
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: to go on a date with him whatever, and I

844
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: was like okay, and I gave him like this date

845
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: that was kind of like weeks and weeks ahead. So

846
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: it was like May May twenty six because I know

847
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: my little man and his stuff now. And then when

848
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: he we went on a little date. You know now

849
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: normally when you go on your first day and you're

850
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Selena Johnson, Okay, you got to turn up. You know,

851
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: you gotta hang you the hair and the nails, and

852
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: you know you gotta look like something buyer. Let me

853
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: tell you something. I had on a B B jogging suit,

854
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: a BB jogging suit with some Louis Vauton sladhs, and

855
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: my hair was in. My hair was cute, but it

856
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: was it was like it was a sow in. I

857
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: had like a little ponytail. And on the booty it

858
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: said dangerous. It didn't have the roundstone. It was like

859
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: a satin type of little red red on the booty

860
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: said dangerous. I still got closed and baby, that's the

861
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: crazy movie.

862
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

863
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: But he I told him he had to meet me

864
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: at my sister's house. He could I meet me in

865
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: my house.

866
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know you.

867
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: And so I drove to meet him and when he

868
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: when I got the car, he was so handsome. He

869
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: was clean cut, you know, had on this little linen outfit.

870
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: You know that was in style at that time with

871
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: this air force. But but I was like, if if

872
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: these if they don't like me, they gotta like me

873
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: from here.

874
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: And guys left to see when you look good like.

875
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: That, apparently because before you're you know, you're thinking, I

876
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: have to keep this, you know, facade up. I have

877
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: to keep this image up. You know, this is who

878
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: they want to be with, So I have to keep

879
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: this image. I was like, and that ship is too

880
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: tiring after a while, because you do want to just

881
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: be yourself, like you do want to say, take my

882
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: weave out here, on my regular hair and just be.

883
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: You want to be because you're always on and so

884
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: so you be able to have your hair ponytails.

885
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: And so he asked me, and I know there's a

886
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: big debate in the world, but he asked me where

887
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to go eat. And I told this man,

888
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: cheesecake factory.

889
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: Hello, see.

890
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: Factory.

891
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I listen, I do. I don't have a problem with that.

892
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: It's just too many options. So I wouldn't have picked

893
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: that because a lot of that man, you I never

894
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: know what you're right. You be on there for like,

895
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: hold on, maybe this.

896
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: Used to get the biscuit the cream.

897
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: Would I used to eat chicken bag and the biscuit,

898
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: the biscuit with the chicken, with the gravy, with the peas.

899
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Staff, see I And you're right about that because what

900
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: I ordered I didn't like, but he ordered something that

901
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: was sharp. So I spent the end the whole night

902
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: eating out of his plate and drinking his ship.

903
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Like y'all knew each other.

904
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: Zero Fox just was like, I don't like my food

905
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: and just start eating his food. And I didn't care.

906
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: I think I was being obnoxious on purpose too, to

907
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: try to see if he would, you know, it was

908
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: very that, you know, or just to see, you know,

909
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 2: what what's but he was surprised by everything. He would

910
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: just be like smiling, like wow, she's nuts and so

911
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: and I was just talking.

912
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: And he.

913
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: Was not expecting that, I'm certain. And so when we

914
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: were done and we were like, he took me home,

915
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: but in the car I fell asleep on him the

916
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: whole way home isn't that crazy? Got that man food

917
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: and went to sleep and calls and he I was like, well,

918
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: I was like, she's I love her. The next day

919
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: he called me at twelve, which was very promising because

920
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: you know, the people like to call at midnight, so

921
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: they didn't come up.

922
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: They think.

923
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: He called it noon and asked me to go on

924
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: to lunch date. So after that, for about two three

925
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: months he courted me, but I was very stringent about stuff,

926
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: and I used to go to Bible study on Wednesdays,

927
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: the church on Sundays. You know that I was in

928
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: that phase of self reflection, self improvement, so like I

929
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: couldn't go to the I had to say no to

930
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: the twelve because I had to go to a training session.

931
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: But then I was like, well, I'm going to Bible

932
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: study at seven. I was like you want to go?

933
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: He was like, no, I want to go. I'm I'm

934
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, well I'll talk to you.

935
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: And then he called me right back. I was like,

936
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: I go.

937
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: He was.

938
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: Bible went to a Bible study.

939
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: He won.

940
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: He went to the church. He was sitting there looking weird.

941
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: You know, I was in there. He was just sitting

942
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: there you know, his hands uncomfortable.

943
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big thing to take somebody to also,

944
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: because you have people in churches all looking like, Okay, that's.

945
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: What you trying to see it is he gonna blow

946
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: up your flames in here. I'm gonna take his answer

947
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: to the church and see if he said, and I know,

948
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: leave his hands right where the Lord deal with the ashes.

949
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my god, what story? And so and then

950
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: you guys were on marriage boot camp. Yes, and I

951
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: know you had said that you had went to therapy

952
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: before doing that. You guys were already in therapy.

953
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: We had to go to couple's therapy because we started

954
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: having We had a lot of turmoil in our relationship

955
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: because when Kiwan retired from basketball, he suffered a depression.

956
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: He went through a lot of different emotional traumas, you know,

957
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: because before he's been able to live his life, you know,

958
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: be on the run, you're you know, he had he

959
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: had a he has a son, you know. But they

960
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: were in America for two months out of the year.

961
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: He's in America all the rest of the other team

962
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: because I lived with him for four years overseas, so

963
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: the other ten months were overseas. Which means everything in

964
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 2: America is like, well, we lived in Italy. Oh, it's

965
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: fantastic because everything is slower and.

966
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Time. I know, I know the other way exactly, and

967
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: we lived in Venice at one point.

968
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: But it's so much was because you know, he was

969
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: to start playing a basketball team, and you know, the

970
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: way that they embraced the players over there, like it

971
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: was like it was the bomb. It was a little boring,

972
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: but when you have each other and that's all that

973
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: you need.

974
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because your family, there no distraction.

975
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: No distraction except when I had my first baby. My

976
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: first son was over there with me. I got pregnant

977
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: overseas and then I had to wait till his two

978
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: month shots. And then I was like, I know, you

979
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: don't think I'm finna raise this baby by myself. So

980
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: we're down to this plight. So I just stayed over there.

981
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: But you know, all the all the doctors and everything,

982
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: all the health care was free. You know, they would

983
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: just assign you a doctor that spoke English.

984
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: You know that's crazy because we certainly don't have that

985
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: here at all.

986
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Now. Everything places, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it worked, especially the team.

987
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't pay for any of that stuff.

988
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: They didn't pay for anything their apartments or anything. We

989
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 2: were to save a lot of money because we didn't

990
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: pay for anything over there. You just go over there.

991
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: You don't pay for anything. Like even after the games

992
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: or whatever, there would be like family restaurants, Like they

993
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: didn't have like fast food like they had it, but

994
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: it'd be closed, so but the family restaurants will cook

995
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: up a full five course meal. It was just wow.

996
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: Now you weren't watching nothing on TV. But unless you

997
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: got like.

998
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: A little these NBA players and you also have to

999
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: think about you're right because that was his career. Like

1000
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: imagine you just stopped singing Stoff going.

1001
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: And I did, though. That was and that was a

1002
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: very that was a pivotal moment in my life, like

1003
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: he won literally saved my life. In two thousand and six,

1004
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: I was dropped from Jive Records and they dropped me

1005
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know what happened, And so I

1006
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: went over to I'm not sure if it was Deaf Jam,

1007
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: but Kevin Lowles was in the meeting. And I remember

1008
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: going over to the meeting with my lawyer and being

1009
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: in the room with Kevin Lowles and he looked at

1010
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: me like he didn't know. They took the meeting, but

1011
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: they looked at me like they didn't know who are

1012
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: I was. They were like, and I had three albums

1013
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: out and he was like, you don't have any new material.

1014
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just released the album. What am I

1015
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: supposed to go do? And so it's just like, oh, well,

1016
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Collins when we have another album. And I was really

1017
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: devastated behind that, and so keiwan I say, I feel

1018
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: like he saved me. My husband's name is Kiwan. I

1019
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: feel like he saved me because I was able to

1020
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: go overseas after that, to Italy. We were living in Milan,

1021
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: of all places. He had just proposed to me in

1022
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: that July. That happened in April. He proposed to me

1023
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: in July, and then I just packed my ship and

1024
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: went to Milan and just stay.

1025
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, perfect time.

1026
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: And I could and I could be a I literally

1027
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: for the first time feel like I can actually act

1028
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: like a woman. I could act like and I, but

1029
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: I could act like I could be in the actual

1030
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: role of what we were designed to be. I'll say

1031
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: it like that the traditional, the traditional or just the

1032
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: the design of women. We were not made to take

1033
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: care of men. We were made to help men. We

1034
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: were made to take care of our children, but we

1035
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 2: were not made to take care of full blown households.

1036
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: So when you're an entertainer and you're by yourself and

1037
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: you're a woman, you're single, you are your household and

1038
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: whoever else around you that you need to help, you

1039
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But the pressures of having to

1040
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: fight and hustle and scrape and scrap and scratch to

1041
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: get to the so called success goals in your life,

1042
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: the release of that was just it was healing and

1043
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: I could just be a mom or a girlfriend.

1044
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: To even think about that because you have been working

1045
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: since you were so young.

1046
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1047
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1048
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 2: And then and being able to go just go over

1049
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: there and then he's the star, right, so I'm just

1050
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: and he's telling you know, they know, oh you're a

1051
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: singer in America, Okay, great, but they don't know your

1052
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: music really are like that in Italy that wasn't one

1053
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: of my big markets, so they don't really know. I

1054
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: was able to just person. I was just getting little girl.

1055
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: When I tell you, the team Milan, So the way

1056
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: that they have over like the way it was was

1057
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: overseas and me, certain leagues are bigger than the others,

1058
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: like your leagues are obviously bigger. Certain leagues are bigger.

1059
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: So the Italian League is a bigger league, right. The

1060
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: sponsor of the team was Georgie our money, Wow girl

1061
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: we got and he had nerd to play for a

1062
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: team that was sponsored by PRAD. I was over there

1063
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: living my life, road noodles and just having a time

1064
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: with five course meals. It was so free, It was

1065
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: so different life. It was free. But I got to

1066
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: be a mom like he He made me a mother

1067
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: and a wife. He saved me. And then because I

1068
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 2: was able to do that, I was able to reappreciate

1069
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: my music. Because I suffered a depression. I'm talking about

1070
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: bad depression. Job Records was like a bad marriage. I

1071
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: was like locked in for eight years, you know, constantly

1072
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: trying to prove myself for eight years. I guess like

1073
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: being with an abusive man like you constantly trying to

1074
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: let him know, trying to get him to see you

1075
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: as this way, and he constantly keeps shooting you down

1076
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: or telling you ain't shit all the time, and you

1077
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: but you, well, maybe if I do this, this will work,

1078
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: and then it still doesn't work. For eight years straight

1079
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: from being twenty one years old all the way to

1080
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: twenty nine, you know what I'm saying. So they were

1081
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: eight years of my youthful life.

1082
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

1083
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: And then to be able to go okay, you know.

1084
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that that was getting ready to

1085
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: happen to me, but God did. And I'll tell you.

1086
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: I remember I could. I couldn't even pay my rent.

1087
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: I could not my mortgage because I had a town

1088
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: home at the time, and I couldn't pay it because

1089
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: I was being sued by my lawyers from my divorce

1090
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: because I owed them so much money. They had charged

1091
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: me so much money because they figured, to you on

1092
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 2: drive records they could fit the bill. So they overcharged

1093
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: me except for a three year long divorce that was unnecessary,

1094
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 2: but they fell.

1095
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: I did up.

1096
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: I didn't have nothing, but they felt like that job

1097
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: was the cash cow. So I wasn't able to pay them.

1098
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: And I remember Kiwan coming too the house and I

1099
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: swear to God and this is this is very lifetime

1100
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: movie Hallmark station. But that man walked in the house

1101
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: with a woman's bible and inside the bike because I

1102
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: called him crying because I had to go to court,

1103
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe I had to go to court

1104
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: and I had to go to court by myself and

1105
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: fight my own lawyers, like stand against my own lawyers.

1106
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: And the judge was like, you're extorting her, like he

1107
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 2: cussed out the lawyers because I was in it by

1108
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: myself because I was paying, but I just didn't have

1109
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: enough to pay what they wanted, like they want to

1110
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: all the stock, right, but if you show intent to

1111
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: pay something, then the judge leniency. So he called me

1112
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: and he asked, men, we were dating. This is still

1113
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: in the dating phase. He called me and he asked me,

1114
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: you know what what happened at the court? You know

1115
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: what happened at the And I just I was in tears, crying,

1116
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: like I don't have this money. I think it's like

1117
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen thousand dollars. I don't have this money. They

1118
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: want this money right now whatever, And so I was like,

1119
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: I can't even pay my mortgage on fuck, am I

1120
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: gonna pay it? You know? So? And I didn't want

1121
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: to have to tell him that because as Selena Johnson,

1122
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: you're supposed to have money, you know, but that was

1123
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: not always the case. And so I'll never forget this.

1124
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: This is what I was like, Oh, you're my husband

1125
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: and min We're gonna be together forever. He walked in

1126
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: the house and he came over and he had a

1127
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: woman's bible, and in the bible was a check for

1128
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: the mortgage. Yes, and do you know I never paid

1129
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: my mortgage from then on ever? Wow? Ever again for

1130
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: that for that town home ever again. And the next

1131
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: house was a house we had built up from the

1132
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: ground that he paid for.

1133
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: That is a So it's not about you pay my

1134
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: bill or any of that.

1135
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: It was about him saying I can take care of you,

1136
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: and I needed it too, because I needed it. Yeah.

1137
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: This wasn't about and show yes. Yeah, this was like

1138
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm just having a bad day and you've never had

1139
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: anybody do that for you before?

1140
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: No, No, because I was doing I was taking care

1141
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: of me.

1142
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: And so then when did you guys get to the

1143
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: point where you hit a rough patch?

1144
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: And how after his retirement and we had to like

1145
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: walk away from everything because when he stopped working, I

1146
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: wasn't working, you know, I was just being a mom.

1147
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: I was pregnant with my second baby, and that he

1148
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: couldn't get a job anymore. He hurt his hand and

1149
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: he couldn't. They wouldn't take him back because he was

1150
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: like thirty five thirty six, because to them, that's old

1151
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so for the money that they were

1152
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: offering him, he didn't want to leave. His family is

1153
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: a small three year old boy. Then he has a

1154
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: seven year old and then he has a baby in

1155
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: the stomach, you know. But you didn't have no answer

1156
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: financially to combat that. You know, we had savings that

1157
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: we went through, but I had to get on the

1158
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: road thirty eight weeks pregnant and start being Selena Johnson

1159
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: all over again and build us all the way up.

1160
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: And Kewan was I just think he was just depressed.

1161
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: He just didn't know what to He didn't know who

1162
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: he was. He didn't have an identity outside of Kewan

1163
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: Garris the basketball player.

1164
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: I would imagine a lot of athletes because that's what

1165
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: they're trained to do, like the whole life.

1166
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even now my son is following in his

1167
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: exact footsteps. Just got Player of the Year. He's top

1168
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: ten in the state of Georgia. You know, he's very

1169
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: very good, probably gonna do all that good stuff, you know.

1170
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: But I'm also like constantly telling him stuff like like

1171
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: I have his Merrill Lynch account. He's sixteen, I got

1172
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: he got a MARYL. Lynric. I get tack for it

1173
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: and he.

1174
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: Has it now. That's why make him so much better financially.

1175
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: Yes, because when you retire. I want him to have

1176
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 2: millions of dollars when he retires. Whether it's overseas, whether

1177
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: it's in the Gila, I don't care where he plays.

1178
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: He's gonna have money sitting waiting when he's done. That's

1179
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: the goal. If I have to put it in there,

1180
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: he has to. But whatever. But he has a gym

1181
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: shoe company. It's called Sneaky Souls and he like so

1182
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: I'll let him be an entrepreneur, have something else, have

1183
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: some more you know interest. Because Kiwan came from you know,

1184
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: from the street to basketball.

1185
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: Basketball. That's it.

1186
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: Basketball got him saved him from the what could have

1187
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: been his.

1188
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Think about how the dynamics change where now you're working.

1189
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: But he's not doing what he was doing right, So

1190
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: it kind of like flip.

1191
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: Right, and I can't take care of her. That's taking

1192
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: him out. You see what I'm saying. I'm not in

1193
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: the predicament where I can do the things that I

1194
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: used to do. So he thinks that he feels like

1195
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him even if I'm telling him you

1196
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: took care of us for this many amount of years.

1197
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna do what I need to do regardless

1198
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: of that. No man, no real man wants to hear

1199
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: you say that. And it's gonna be okay with.

1200
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: That because when you did marriage boot Camp, people were like,

1201
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: what problems do that? You know, because everything from the

1202
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: outside lists.

1203
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't run We don't run around telling our business.

1204
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: Real real couples don't let everybody know what's going on

1205
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: in their relationships up top because that could ruin your

1206
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: marriage forever.

1207
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure that was a hard decision to

1208
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: even do that.

1209
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: It was a hard decision, but at that point, I

1210
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know what else to do. We

1211
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: have been through everything and I couldn't. I couldn't think

1212
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: of anything else. Neither or he couldn't either. That would

1213
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: help us get back on track. And actually, marriage boot

1214
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: Camp was the best thing we had ever done because

1215
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: we realized, oh wow, we're not as crazy. Yes, people

1216
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: in the house, but let me tell you the couples

1217
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: we were in that house with were so fun. We

1218
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: had the best time in history. And what's crazy is

1219
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: like Spencer and Heidi alone the funniest couple of all time.

1220
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: Like it was just and uh, Natalie nine and her husband,

1221
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: they and all these colos are still together, all these

1222
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: we had the best one because we have stuff, but

1223
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: we didn't have enough stuff that was like too bad

1224
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: to tear us up, which we realized when we were

1225
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: in the house. But the production was kind of like,

1226
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: all right, guys, this is boring. So Natalie was like, Okay,

1227
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: I'll go. And Natalie people believed that Natalie is so

1228
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: Banana's than wild, but Natalie is a smart business I

1229
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: like she is a joke double major in college soccer player, Like,

1230
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: no joke she was. She's yes, she she she's just brilliant.

1231
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: She's a very smart girl. But she understood that.

1232
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: To use yeah, to use people's clicks yes, in order

1233
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: to amplify herself.

1234
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: And I think my husband seeing other husbands being in

1235
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: different predicaments that were kind of similar to him too,

1236
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: like because we're all strong women, all of us were

1237
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: kind of like strong women out for women, you know,

1238
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: or taking you know, making money and stuff like that.

1239
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: It allowed him to be able to see all the

1240
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: different dynamics and give his self mercy, give himself great,

1241
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, like and then him just you know, he

1242
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: got with the NBA Retirement League and talking to other

1243
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: guys and he started playing again and like the other

1244
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: leagues because basketball is his that's like for me singing

1245
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: singing for me is like playing basketball. For him is

1246
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: like singing for his life. It's one of his DNA absolutely,

1247
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: so when that was taken from him, that was heartbreaking.

1248
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking.

1249
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: Did you think you weren't gonna sing again when she

1250
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: went overseas? Were you like, this is it?

1251
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Or did you always know you would be turn I

1252
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: knew that I would return because I still was recording

1253
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: while I was over there. It's just I was recording

1254
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 2: with a different energy. I was recording with I love

1255
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: the music. I'm doing this because I love the music.

1256
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: I can't if I don't, you know what I'm saying.

1257
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: Different vibes and and the new album is called Legacy, Yes,

1258
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: and this is so tell us about that because I

1259
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: know that deals with your father's legacy also.

1260
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: So you know, legacy pretty much not pretty much every

1261
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: song on the album will have a sample of my dad,

1262
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: so you'll hear his voice or his music because he

1263
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: was the most sampled artist. I'm talking Michael Jackson, jay Z,

1264
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: Kanye will Smith, I'm talking about over a thousand and

1265
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: like they can't even count. Where's Nima? Like his best

1266
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: was like his best? Oh god, he did hear that?

1267
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: A Rizza were like close. Rizza called me when when

1268
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: he died because they were like friends, because they like

1269
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: bought his house, you know, they gave him so much

1270
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: money from samples that my father was able to buy

1271
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: his own house, you know, buy his house. So I'm

1272
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: going to sample every every song would be a sample

1273
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: of his. The newest single, Black Balloons, is his voice

1274
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: in the top, and so it's like Selena featuring Cel

1275
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Johnson all of it. But it's not even gonna really

1276
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: be featuring Cel Johnson. You're just gonna hear remnants of that.

1277
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: So the album is gonna feel very soul for very old,

1278
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, old old.

1279
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: Let me tell you back in the day, we used

1280
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: to have these clubs called these parties called Soul Kitchen,

1281
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: and it would be parties where they would play all

1282
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: the samples that people use and music. It was never

1283
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: the actual song and you will be like, oh, I

1284
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it was only the original. Yeah, okay,

1285
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: let's get that out there. Hopefully they do.

1286
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: They should maybe.

1287
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Atlanta, you can do that with your dad's music, really right, Yeah,

1288
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: when it is the album coming out.

1289
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: So the album is going to come out probably the

1290
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: end of second quarter. We still haven't done the date

1291
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: yet because we're just really having fun with this new industry.

1292
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: The new industry says you can do whatever you want

1293
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: to do. You know, we want to put it out

1294
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: before the third quarter because obviously you want to make

1295
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: the Grammy cut off, you know, because the Grammy cut

1296
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: off is like August or something like that. But we

1297
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: just don't know, like we're going to release singles. That's

1298
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: how our world and our people are starting to our

1299
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: fans are starting to adjust music before they actually you know,

1300
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Speaker 2: pull the trigger. So once you get the singles, then

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01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: when it's out, it'll automatically download and you're you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, then you'll have the whole thing. But yeah,

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: it's it's going to be so good. I have some

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01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: of the songs are so good and I'm just talking

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: very grown on this record. It's real fun. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a good time.

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Speaker 3: I can feel yours about it. I can feel how much.

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Speaker 2: And it's free. It's nobody in my shoulder telling me

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: over my shoulder, telling me how to do something. Because

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Speaker 2: I also built a studio on my home when my dad,

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: when my father was very sick, and when he died,

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Speaker 2: I finished it, and so it's called Legacy Studios. It

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Speaker 2: looks like it looks like a studio studio, I guess,

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: like this and a booth and everything. It's it's huge.

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Speaker 2: It's like a real setup. So I'm recording the whole

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Speaker 2: album there. I have my father's ashes in there. I

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Speaker 2: have this guitar plaques, you know, so there he is.

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Speaker 2: He is there, and that's what he would have wanted.

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Speaker 2: My father was was always like, and we own the estate,

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Speaker 2: which is smart because now the money just keeps coming back.

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Speaker 2: People clean us up perfect, so it just comes right

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Speaker 2: back in and we will talk to you.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like this was my father

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: and I didn't have the best relationship, but I feel

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: like this is a way I can honor our legacy,

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: or honor our music or not succumb to what was

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Speaker 2: the generational trauma and kind of break that generational curse

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Speaker 2: for my sons. You know what I'm saying, because just

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01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: because they're not in music, even though my youngest does

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Speaker 2: play piano, but he got a studio to work out, right,

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: he can go down to the studio and they can

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Speaker 2: be free of that generational curse of lack, that generational

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: curse of underrated or not being seen. That my kids

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Speaker 2: don't have to feel that way. I'll absorb it. It's fine,

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Speaker 2: but my kids will not. So my son kJ will excel.

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Speaker 2: He will get everything that he's supposed to get. No

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01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: one would be able to stop him because I'm going

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: to pray those generational curses off of him. If my

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: father did not do them, now I got to pray

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01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: to the secondhand generational curses off of him. And through

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Speaker 2: our music, I feel like it is honoring our legacy

1343
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: as opposed to always looking at the cup half empty,

1344
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: but more so how full it was. So that's all

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01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, you deserve it, But I've been taking you so

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: much for stopping through the seas. I know you've been

1348
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: working a lot, and I know you know, this is

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Speaker 1: what you.

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Speaker 2: Do anding me. This is so full circle. Like you

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01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: and I was on Reapers Club, we were there too,

1352
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: So now I get to be just with you and

1353
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: with you lovely ladies. Women Like I told her, I

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01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: said that, she was like, it's gonna be great. I

1355
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you, nothing can go wrong with this women.

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01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: She said, oh, no, stuff can go.

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's not going wrong with afflimation. Well,

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: thank you for Women's Yes, Women's Happy Women's Month, for

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: all of you, and these journals.

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01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: So I have my own journals and I put my

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01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: album in there as an artifact. I know y'all probably

1363
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: even got no CD players, no more but in the cars.

1364
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: But these journals are just for you to be able

1365
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: to reflect. I know you said you're doing a vision board,

1366
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: and so it's good to like jop down some of

1367
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: the stuff that you may put on your vision board

1368
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: so that once you do it, you're like, Okay, it's

1369
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 2: like I got my notes, my pictures, and just every

1370
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: day reflection. I found that, especially during the pandemic, journaling

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: was a big deal for me. Now, journaling has been

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: a big deal since the beginning Chapter one, my first

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01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: album was created from journals I can put together. Yeah,

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01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: I had some wragly a man down.

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Speaker 3: To that album.

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Speaker 1: We need a part. I feel like there's so much.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing I've done is lived.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what life is.

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: Life.

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: I've been here.

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had. If there's one thing I lived, I

1382
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: could be remember that the little chop proper one life

1383
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: to live I didnet lived about fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm like a cat out here.

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: Well it's just more for the son, for the music. Yeah.

1386
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 2: So I hope you guys enjoy your journals get added

1387
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: into your daily informations or your daily routine in the morning,

1388
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 2: even if it's like two words. I think we get

1389
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: wrapped up in Well I didn't write en up, you know,

1390
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: because we're perfectionists. What's your sign Cacorn? Oh god, did

1391
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 2: you organize her? And what's your sign? Jim? And okay, Jim,

1392
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: Gigi is two people. Yes, we gotta when this is

1393
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: offics should be somebody else like, but she's constant right

1394
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 2: now is who she is? And what's your son? Pices? Okay,

1395
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 2: Pisces are very smart, but there's slick and you're a virgo.

1396
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm a virgo. If you are dumb around the pisces.

1397
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: You fell off. Like if you're not sharp, they'll be like,

1398
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: oh and do their thing which all sharp. They'll be like, oh, okay,

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01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: those are my levels. Good.

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Speaker 1: I love it. We got books, we got a reading.

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta reading. Not but in your journal. I know,

1402
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: as women in general perfectionists, so we'll feel like, oh

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01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: if I didn't write enough, man, I didn't do good today.

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Speaker 5: You know.

1405
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: So even if you have one thing to say, you

1406
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: might come in there and just say.

1407
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: I need to get back to it.

1408
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: Tired, Yeah, period, your business, and that might be all

1409
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: you have to say, you know, because you might be

1410
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: just that tired, or you might have a whole dissertation write.

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: But I really feel like it's good to be able

1412
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: to just do something every day, you know, even if

1413
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: I go in there and draw hard. You know, I

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: love myself today. Ship, I love my man, my man.

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 3: That's so crazy.

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 4: She was just talking to me about that. And this

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Speaker 4: whole episode is about writing and journaling.

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: So here we are full circle.

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01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. That is lip service. Yes, you.

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Speaker 2: Are awesome. It's so pretty. My goodness. You guys are gorgeous,

1421
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 2: all of you with you, so Fae's.

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: Girl.

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: I was hearing to post down.

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01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: That's right, I was not about to still just posing

1425
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 4: my next photo.

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: I love the hair today. Thank you.

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01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 2: This is the fastest braider. My tree braided lady. She's

1428
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: the bomb, she's ale. It took her two hours to

1429
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

1431
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: Two hours you need. And she don't break tight so

1432
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 2: soon as you be braided. Okay, great, where she's at Atlanta,

1433
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: But people fly in. They flying in and they make

1434
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: a trip.

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: It's fast to go there, right back and get your

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: hair braided, then see.

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: It for seven hours in the hair salon. Girl, you're

1438
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: gonna sit in the hair salon all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much