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Speaker 1: Ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird Strange

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Speaker 1: Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua Warren, and each

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Speaker 1: week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new

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Speaker 1: mind blowing content, news, exercises, and weird experiments you can

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Speaker 1: do at home, and a lot more. On this edition

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Speaker 1: of the show. Is DNA actually AI Code? Right now,

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Speaker 1: I am holding in my hands a plastic model of

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Speaker 1: a year and it's kind of mesmerizing to hold it

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Speaker 1: understanding everything about being a human. Deoxy ribo nucleic acid

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Speaker 1: a molecule that contains the genetic code that is unique

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Speaker 1: manual for making all the proteins that form our bodies

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Speaker 1: meaning that it passes from parent to child. You hear

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Speaker 1: what it is. Well, recently MOBI has sent me an

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Speaker 1: article that I decided to bring up here. It's from

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Speaker 1: the Pulse. Let's see what is this called here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Pulse, I guess it's the Pulse Dot one. It's

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Speaker 1: he says, what if DNA code code is artificial intelligence?

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Speaker 1: my own words, and then I'm going to read you

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Speaker 1: the official report that I wrote twenty two years ago. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So basically, we turned out the lights, okay, because you

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Speaker 1: had to do this in the dark. So here we

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Speaker 1: had a photographic plate, and then we had a leaf

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Speaker 1: from this little plant that Lauren had. And I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a picture of it right now. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what kind of plant this is. It's a small leaf.

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Speaker 1: It's got like four one, two, three, five little points

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Speaker 1: on it. And so I said, okay, Robert, we need

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Speaker 1: to plan out what we're going to do right now

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Speaker 1: because this is going to be in the dark and

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Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to see what the

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Speaker 1: heck we're doing. So I said, I'm going to put

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Speaker 1: this leaf down here on this plate and expose it

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Speaker 1: for a split second and get the coronal image around it,

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Speaker 1: and then I want you to reach down, pick it

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Speaker 1: up and tear a little section off. While you're doing that,

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00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to put down a second plate, and then

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Speaker 1: you put the leaf back down on the second plate

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Speaker 1: and we're going to expose it again and see what

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Speaker 1: we get. He says, okay, fine, So sure enough, we

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Speaker 1: turn out the lights. We're doing all this in the dark.

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Speaker 1: Turn out the light. We put the leaf down, I

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Speaker 1: hit the electricity. We get our exposure. He picks it up,

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Speaker 1: he tears the section off, he puts it back down.

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Speaker 1: We exposed it the second time. Here's the thing that

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Speaker 1: surprised us. We did not get the phantom leaf phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: But what did happen was that when we exposed the

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Speaker 1: leaf the first time, the section of the leaf that

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Speaker 1: we had decided to tear off did not develop. I

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00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: know this may not make a lot of sense through

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Speaker 1: a podcast, but let me read you the report. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a small leaf had been removed from a house plant

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Speaker 1: less than fifteen minutes prior to the experiment. Warren operated

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Speaker 1: the camera while Robert McGhee managed the specimen. McGhee looked

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Speaker 1: at the specimen and approximated how it should be torn.

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Speaker 1: For the second exposure, the lights were turned out and

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Speaker 1: in complete darkness, the entire leaf was exposed one pulse

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Speaker 1: less than a second to the Kulean plate. Quickly, and

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: still in complete darkness, the leaf was removed from the

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Speaker 1: plate and torn by McGhee As Warren prepared the second film,

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Speaker 1: McGee placed the torn specimen on the plate and it

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Speaker 1: was exposed again one pulse for the second and last time.

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Speaker 1: Upon development, the second photo with the specimen torn yielded

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Speaker 1: no phantom image, however, and the first photo the leaf

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Speaker 1: was complete except for the portion that, oddly enough did

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Speaker 1: not develop. Warren and McGee were surprised to find the

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Speaker 1: missing portion of the leaf's image corresponded exactly to the

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Speaker 1: portion that they decided would be torn away. Both photos

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Speaker 1: were taken in one dark session and developed the same time.

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Speaker 1: The entire leaf was pressed flat against the plate, and

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Speaker 1: there is no explanation for why the portion of the

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Speaker 1: leaf was missing in the first photo. It was almost

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Speaker 1: as if the leaf's structure had responded to the impending

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Speaker 1: amputation before it had even occurred. Could plants be conscious?

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Speaker 1: Better yet, could plants be psychic? I sure hope that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, because once we decided to tear that section

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Speaker 1: of the leaf off, that section did not develop in

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Speaker 1: the photo. Okay, So this is just one of those

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: things that it's hard to talk about some of this

490
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: stuff on a podcast because you don't know how it's

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00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: going to come across. So what's my conclusion? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what when we come back from our break,

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the conclusion. And then also,

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Speaker 1: I have a story that I want to share with you.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's weird. I have been working in

496
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: media for thirty years now, books, TV, movies, radio, and

497
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I have this story that I don't think I've ever

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: actually told before. And so when we come back, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell you my wrap up on this whole

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Speaker 1: thing about like the relationship between human intelligence and AI

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: and what it all means. And then I'm going to

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Speaker 1: tell you the story that I've never told before. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and

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Speaker 1: I will be right back. Welcome back to the final

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Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, Joshua P. Warren. And if you go back

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Speaker 1: and listen to episode one forty two of this Strange

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Speaker 1: Things podcast, it's called the Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll,

511
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Speaker 1: and I talk about this concept that as above so below,

512
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: in fact, if you just look up that at Wikipedia

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00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: as above so below is a popular modern paraphrase of

514
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: the second verse of the Emerald Tablet, a short Hermetic

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00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: text which first appeared in an Arabic source from the

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Speaker 1: late eighth or early ninth century. So basically the phrase

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Speaker 1: is that which is above is like to that which

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00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: is below, and that which is below is like that

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00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: to which is above. So to me, it reminds me

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00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: of how you can look at, say the spiral of

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Speaker 1: a galaxy, and you can compare it to the spiral

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Speaker 1: of a seashell, or the images we have of a

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00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: black hole, and then you compare that to an image

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Speaker 1: of the pupil of your eye. I really do believe

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00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: that everything resonates, and everything is a part of a

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Speaker 1: a reflective pattern. I guess that the big picture is

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Speaker 1: the same as the little, and the little is the

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Speaker 1: same as the big, and that you know, humans we

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Speaker 1: try to shove meaning onto nature, sometimes from an egotistical

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Speaker 1: point of view. For example, this year twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: is a leap year, and of course if you don't

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Speaker 1: have leap years once in a while, well the calendar

533
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. I was watching TV the other day

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Speaker 1: and the weather man said, if we didn't have a

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Speaker 1: leap year every one hundred years, the calendar would be

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Speaker 1: off by twenty four days. We are trying to apply

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Speaker 1: meaning from this egocentric human point of view onto nature.

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Speaker 1: You just can't do that. You can try, you can

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00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: pretend all you want that basically, we are all connected

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Speaker 1: as part of the same cohesive system. And so if

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Speaker 1: we humans are able to to create what we call

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Speaker 1: AI on our scale, then that means that on a

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Speaker 1: larger scale, AI has also been created. And therefore it

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Speaker 1: makes perfect sense that we may be a part of

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Speaker 1: that AI. That's something bigger than us created. And that's

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Speaker 1: why this little plastic model of a DNA strand I'm

547
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: holding in my hand looks like something that came out

548
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: of a machine. It doesn't look like some sloppy random thing.

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00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: It looks very, very organized. And sometimes when I start

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Speaker 1: thinking about the idea that we might be living in

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00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: like a matrix or something, there are things that I

552
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: don't understand. Like I've talked on this show before about

553
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: this phenomenon, I hate to just bring it up again

554
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: because it's probably gonna only make it worse. Like every

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Speaker 1: single time Lauren and I go out somewhere, we pull

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00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: into a parking space and somebody is getting in or

557
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: out of their car next to us. And we'll go

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Speaker 1: into a store and spend thirty minutes at a store,

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Speaker 1: and when we come out there's a whole parking lot

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Speaker 1: with one hundred cars in it. But when we come out,

561
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: there's somebody getting into his or her car right next

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Speaker 1: to us. It happens so much it's just a joke now,

563
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: and we're like, what is the point of this, What

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Speaker 1: does it mean? I don't know. It's just some kind

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Speaker 1: of like Truman Show indicator that there's some kind of

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Speaker 1: a design. I'm starting to see another pattern in my life,

567
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Speaker 1: which this is more disgusting. I was telling Lauren and

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Speaker 1: go you know how every time we go somewhere like

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Speaker 1: it seems like somebody's getting enter out of their car

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Speaker 1: next to us. I said, well, now I get this

571
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: new phenomenon. Every time I go into a bathroom, when

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00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm out in public, there's a man in a stall grunting,

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00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: like really grunting so much that it almost makes me

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Speaker 1: want to record it and put it on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. This is is that a

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Speaker 1: phenomenon or is that just just a shift, you know,

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Speaker 1: in cultural habits and diet. I don't know. You gotta

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00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: be careful what you manifest. But I've said before and

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again, there really is no artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: just intelligence. We are not separate from our technology from

581
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Speaker 1: a scientific point of view, and sometimes things happen to

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Speaker 1: you that you know, you can't explain that may just

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Speaker 1: be a glimpse. About twenty years ago, I was living

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Speaker 1: in rural North Carolina and speaking of the Limber team,

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Speaker 1: which I mentioned earlier, Brian Irish was over at my house.

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Speaker 1: And Brian Irish and I and I mean, like, we

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Speaker 1: did so many investigations, it's unbelievable. He had just bought

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Speaker 1: a new digital camera and he came over to my

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Speaker 1: house and we were playing around with it, and we

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, we would sit up

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Speaker 1: all night long and talk about spooky things and do experiments.

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Speaker 1: And so he brought this new digital camera over to

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Speaker 1: my house and about one o'clock in the morning, we

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Speaker 1: decided to just take a walk through the countryside and

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Speaker 1: take pictures and see if we could get anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: capture anything weird. So I lived at the top of

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Speaker 1: this hill, and so Brian Irish and I we walked

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Speaker 1: dow to the bottom of the hill and then we

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00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: walked down this road and I mean it was desolate.

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Speaker 1: There was nobody around, and he's taken pictures the whole

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Speaker 1: time with this camera and nothing was showing up. But

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Speaker 1: then we got to a bridge that had a little

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Speaker 1: creek flowing under it. And people always talk about how

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00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: there's more paranormal stuff around bridges. It probably just has

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Speaker 1: to do with the running water and how that changes

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Speaker 1: the energy environment. So we get on this bridge and

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Speaker 1: he starts taking pictures. At what they're showing, just like

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00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: insane looking, big bright balls of light, not like orbs

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Speaker 1: that you would think of as being from moisture or insects,

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Speaker 1: just a ton of really bright balls of light all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Some of them I think were even multicolored.

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Speaker 1: And we were only getting this around the bridge, so

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Speaker 1: we were thinking, like, huh, is there something about like

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Speaker 1: the water under the bridge it's making this happen. But

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Speaker 1: it was just a strange. It was a dark, eerie

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Speaker 1: I think it was a summer night. It was a dark, eerie,

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Speaker 1: summer night. We got all these bizarre images on that bridge.

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Speaker 1: We went back up to my house and we looked

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Speaker 1: at the images and we said, yeah, this is an

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Speaker 1: impressive camera. This is good for us to keep in

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Speaker 1: our database. Uh, these images, we can compare other stuff

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Speaker 1: against them. Well, I think it was about two or

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Speaker 1: three days later a dead girl was found under that bridge.

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Speaker 1: And it just sends a shiver down my spine thinking

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00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: about that right now. And I never got the whole

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00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: scoop on, like who was this girl? I think she

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Speaker 1: was murdered and for all I know, it may still

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Speaker 1: be unsolved. Went exactly to this happen? How did this happen?

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Speaker 1: You would be amazed how many unsolved cases there are

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00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: out there. But there is a possibility that that night,

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Speaker 1: when Brian Irish and I were down there walking around

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Speaker 1: on that bridge getting all these weird images, that there

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Speaker 1: was a dead girl underneath that bridge. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've just never looked into it again because it just

635
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it's so disturbing to me. But I would. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back now and see if

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Speaker 1: I can figure out, like what's the story. Why was

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00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: there this dead girl under this bridge? And stuff like that.

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00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: It makes me believe that there is some truth to

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00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: ghostly phenomena. And there are a lot of skeptics and debunkers,

641
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: as I say, out there and they go, oh, you know,

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00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: let me tell you all the reasons why this stuff

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But you know what, it does exist. It

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Speaker 1: does exist. And as our second President, John Adams said,

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Speaker 1: facts are stubborn things. You may not like the fact

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Speaker 1: that there are ghosts that people have these experiences, but

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Speaker 1: they do. Ghosts are real. Facts are stubborn things, pesky things,

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Speaker 1: and you can't just blow it off and say it

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And that tells you something I guess about

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Speaker 1: our connection to the universe and what is intelligence? You know,

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Speaker 1: what do we mean when we say we're intelligent beings?

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Speaker 1: All right, my friends, if you can close your eyes,

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Speaker 1: take a deep breath, relax, let's all meditate together as

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Speaker 1: we listen to the one, the only, the original good

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Speaker 1: Fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show.

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