WEBVTT - Stop Trying to “Win” An Argument With Your Partner! (THIS Shift Will Turn Conflict into Communication)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, Welcome back to on Purpose. Today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about messy love, difficult conversations for deeper connection. We're living

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<v Speaker 1>in a time where people are more connected than ever before,

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<v Speaker 1>yet so many of us feel deeply disconnected in our relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>We have access to endless information, constant communication, and more

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<v Speaker 1>tools than ever to improve our lives. We set goals

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<v Speaker 1>for our careers, our health, our routines, and our personal growth,

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<v Speaker 1>but rarely do we pause to reflect on how we love,

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<v Speaker 1>how we listen, and how we show up for the

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<v Speaker 1>people closest to us. Many of us were never taught

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<v Speaker 1>what healthy love actually looks like. We weren't taught how

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate when emotions run high, how to repair after conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>or how to feel safe being honest without fear of loss. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>we carry patterns from our past into our presenting. Things

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<v Speaker 1>will somehow work themselves out, and when relationships feel messy, confusing,

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<v Speaker 1>or painful, we often blame ourselves or the other person,

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<v Speaker 1>without realizing that most of what we're experiencing is learned behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>not personal failure. Today, I want to share five powerful

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<v Speaker 1>relationship lessons from my new audible original Messy Love, Difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>conversations for deeper connection. My hope is that these are

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<v Speaker 1>not just ideas for you to think about, that active

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<v Speaker 1>practices you can bring in to your real life relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>In my Audible original Messy Love, I sit down with

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<v Speaker 1>three different couples over three sessions each. Together, we explore

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<v Speaker 1>how to build emotional safety, navigate conflict, and rebuild trust

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<v Speaker 1>in their relationships. I'll walk you through five core principles

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<v Speaker 1>from the series, and after each one, offer you a

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<v Speaker 1>simple exercise you can try for yourself, whether with a

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<v Speaker 1>romantic partner, a family relationship, or any bond that holds

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<v Speaker 1>value for you and to hear how these tools come

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<v Speaker 1>to life. Make sure to check out Messy Love, available

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<v Speaker 1>only on Audible. Audible's well Being collection has everything to

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<v Speaker 1>inspire and support you in every step of your well

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<v Speaker 1>being journey. So let's get started. Principal one is all

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<v Speaker 1>about influence, respect, and recognition. Early in the series, I

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<v Speaker 1>meet amanden Ryan, a couple who feel out of sync

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<v Speaker 1>in their schedules and emotional connection with one another. I

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<v Speaker 1>quickly identify that beneath their frustration is a shared desire

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<v Speaker 1>to feel influence, respect, and recognition from one another.

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<v Speaker 2>For what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>When we don't feel seen or valued, we start to

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<v Speaker 1>build resentment, not because we don't care, but because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel safe to keep giving. Let me share a

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<v Speaker 1>moment from my conversation with Amanda and Ryan that really

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<v Speaker 1>captures what this looks like in real life. As you listen,

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<v Speaker 1>notice how both of them aren't actually arguing about tasks

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<v Speaker 1>or schedules. They're wrestling with something deeper, the need to

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<v Speaker 1>feel valued and understood in the relationship. Hearing Ryan and

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda share, it's becoming clear to me that the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>core issue is respect, recognition, and influence. In any relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't really arguing just about the finances. They're arguing

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<v Speaker 1>about do I have an influence in the decisions we make.

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<v Speaker 1>People are not just arguing over what roles they do

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<v Speaker 1>or how many chores they have. They're arguing over how

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<v Speaker 1>much respect they feel. And ultimately, everyone wants to feel

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<v Speaker 1>recognized by their partner for the work they put in,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's at the core of this relationship. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you both for being so vulnerable, and I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the reality of what we're all dealing with,

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<v Speaker 1>which is we like each other we love each other,

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<v Speaker 1>things make sense, but there's the realities of life, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that be financial, emotional, mental, and as I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 1>you both, when we really get beneath the surface, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like less of a income conversation and more of

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<v Speaker 1>an influence, respect and recognition conversation. And I mean, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>you just said totally straight away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it took a lot of years to understand,

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<v Speaker 3>like when things happen, it's not personal, Like if I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like she took a low blow, understanding that like

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<v Speaker 3>it's not her legitimately wanting to hurt me, as just

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<v Speaker 3>her protecting herself in the same way that I do

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<v Speaker 3>it in my way when I get insecure, when I

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<v Speaker 3>feel less than, my natural reaction is to get angry

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<v Speaker 3>and like loud and big, because then I don't feel weak.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your exact roles right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I get the sense overall, but what are your exact

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<v Speaker 1>roles right now? And how have you learned to place value?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like in those heated moments there's an unequal

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<v Speaker 1>value on certain roles.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I generally go to Ploate's or work out before

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<v Speaker 4>I teach because I need to like set myself up

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<v Speaker 4>for the day. And because by nine o'clock my phone,

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<v Speaker 4>like I have a work phone and obviously personal phone,

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of people needing my attention is so intense

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<v Speaker 4>that I really like those hours. So usually before Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>and Piggy wake up, I've already worked out and like

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<v Speaker 4>taught two classes, and I'm already like well into my

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<v Speaker 4>day late morning or midday. That's where little chaos comes in,

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<v Speaker 4>as if Ryan and Piggy have gone for a walk

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<v Speaker 4>and I come home and I'm a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>a tornado, and then I go to the wellness center

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<v Speaker 4>and I see patients.

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<v Speaker 3>She's kind of always a tornado because everything's stacked. If

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<v Speaker 3>the smallest little glitch in the schedule happens, things start

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<v Speaker 3>to fall apart.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the support role. Back to what you're asking.

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<v Speaker 4>Traditionally, i'd be like in the fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the man that goes kind of joke about that

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm more of the homemaker, and I make everything

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<v Speaker 3>run around the house and all of the errands and

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<v Speaker 3>the store and things like that, you know, and she

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<v Speaker 3>works and in those moments where she's flustered and busy

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<v Speaker 3>and like, I gotta do this, I gotta do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm trying to like like make her some food

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<v Speaker 3>and make this and gather this. Another thing that happens

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<v Speaker 3>a lot when she's like that. She'll just be barking

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<v Speaker 3>orders and do this, do that, and like where is this?

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<v Speaker 5>Where is that?

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<v Speaker 3>So now I'm freaking out having an anxiety attack because

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<v Speaker 3>I can't find this piece of paper or we ran

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<v Speaker 3>out of this and she needs that. And so that's

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<v Speaker 3>where the resentment builds up, is like I do so much,

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<v Speaker 3>but in this moment, you'll make a comment like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not doing enough. And all this other stuff that I

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<v Speaker 3>did that you have no idea that you know helped

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<v Speaker 3>your day out and made it more efficient. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to harp on this one thing, and now I have

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<v Speaker 3>to feel bad about that.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're hearing there isn't really about who does more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about what happens when appreciation turns into accounting. When

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<v Speaker 1>recognition fades, resentment fills the gap. Here's an exercise I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to try. For the first set of the exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>I invite you to ask yourself, in what moments do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel seen and recognized in your relationship? And then

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<v Speaker 1>when do you feel invisible? Or overlooked, like you aren't

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<v Speaker 1>being seen and recognized in that connection. Notice what comes

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<v Speaker 1>up for you, then see if you can share this

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<v Speaker 1>information with the other person in your life. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start with something that sounds obvious but changes everything.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people think the foundation of a romance

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<v Speaker 1>relationship is chemistry, But chemistry is the spark. The foundation

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<v Speaker 1>is respect. And here's how you can tell the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between a relationship that feels exciting and a relationship that

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<v Speaker 1>actually feels safe. In a healthy relationship, you feel respected, recognized,

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<v Speaker 1>and influential, not in charge, not dominant, influential, like your

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<v Speaker 1>presence matters, like your feelings register, like your voice changes

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<v Speaker 1>the room. Because love without respect doesn't feel like love.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like anxiety with good memories. The respect part

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<v Speaker 1>is really important. Respect isn't just being polite. Respect is

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<v Speaker 1>how someone treats your reality. Do they take your feelings seriously?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they handle your boundaries like they matter? Do they

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<v Speaker 1>speak to you like you're someone they're proud to be with,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when they're an There's a reason respect is such

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal in research. Respect is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things you don't appreciate until it's missing. Because when respect

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<v Speaker 1>is missing, everything starts to feel personal. A joke feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a jab, A disagreement feels like dismissal. A boundary

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<v Speaker 1>feels like you're asking for too much. And here's a modern,

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<v Speaker 1>very twenty twenty six reality. A lot of women aren't

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up because they stopped loving someone. They're breaking up

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<v Speaker 1>because they got tired of being handled casually. The relationship

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end in one big betrayal. It ended in a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand tiny moments of disrespect. The eye roll, the sarcasm

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<v Speaker 1>that you're too sensitive, the I forgot that happens every

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<v Speaker 1>time it's important to you. Respect is the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with you and I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Take you seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>No, oh, it's the difference between those I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you as respectful, I don't take you seriously as personal. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk recognition, because this is where so many relationships

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<v Speaker 1>quietly fail. Recognition is the feeling of my partner gets me,

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<v Speaker 1>not just my highlight reel, not just my cute side,

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<v Speaker 1>not just my social self me. In psychology, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>concept called perceived partner responsiveness. It's basically the science version

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<v Speaker 1>of I feel seen. It means you feel your partner

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<v Speaker 1>understands you, cares about you, and appreciates you. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>why this matters. When you don't feel recognized, you start performing.

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<v Speaker 1>You start editing yourself, you start picking your words carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>you start managing your emotions so you don't ruin the vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can call it being chill, but it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>being alone while in a relationship. Recognition is what makes

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<v Speaker 1>love feel like a place you can and exhale. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people I speak to say some version of this.

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<v Speaker 1>They say they love me, but I don't feel known,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're there, but I feel invisible. And in real

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<v Speaker 1>life dating culture, recognition looks like simple things. They remember

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<v Speaker 1>what stresses you out without you having to remind them.

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<v Speaker 1>They notice when your energy changes. They don't make you

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<v Speaker 1>explain the same emotional pain twice. That's recognition, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>rare because it requires attention. Now here's the piece that

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<v Speaker 1>changes the whole game. Influence influences When your partner is

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<v Speaker 1>open to being affected by you, not controlled by you,

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<v Speaker 1>affected by you. This is where the Gotman research is powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>John Gotman's work on couples consistently points to the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of accepting influence, being able to say, in small, daily ways,

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion matters. I can be moved by you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not in a power struggle with you. And Gotman's team

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<v Speaker 1>has written about how in heterosexual relationships, a common predictor

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<v Speaker 1>of long term stability is whether the man can accept

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<v Speaker 1>influence from his partner, meaning he can soften, consider adjust,

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<v Speaker 1>and share power rather than turning everything into a standoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me make this very modern and practical. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people think influence means I get my way. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>influence means I don't feel like I have to fight

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<v Speaker 1>to be considered. It's the difference between being with someone

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<v Speaker 1>who listens and being with someone who only hears you.

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<v Speaker 1>When you've reached to a breaking point, influence shows up

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<v Speaker 1>in tiny moments. You say something bothered you and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't argue it out of it. You make a request

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't treat it like an attack. You bring

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<v Speaker 1>up a need and they don't punish you with withdrawal.

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<v Speaker 1>When influence is missing, people start doing what they're famous

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<v Speaker 1>for doing. They start adapting. They get quieter, they get easier,

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<v Speaker 1>they get more low maintenance, and everyone thinks the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is better now until they leave, not because they stopped

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<v Speaker 1>loving them, but because they stopped feeling like themselves. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural trap, being cool versus being respected. Here's a

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<v Speaker 1>trend I want to call out gently because it's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So many women have been taught to be the cool girl,

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<v Speaker 1>the unbothered one, the easy one that I'm not like

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<v Speaker 1>that one. But the truth is being low maintenance is

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<v Speaker 1>not the goal. Being highly respected is because love is

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<v Speaker 1>not earned by shrinking. Love is sustained by mutual care.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have to downplay your needs to make someone

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<v Speaker 1>love you, that isn't love, that's emotional rent. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening right now and thinking, okay, but how do I

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<v Speaker 1>know of this is my relationship? Here are three questions

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<v Speaker 1>that cut through the noise. One do I feel respected

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<v Speaker 1>when we disagree, not when we're in love mode, when

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<v Speaker 1>we're in conflict? Do I feel recognized on my hard days?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I only lovable when I'm convenient? And number three,

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<v Speaker 1>do I have influence or do I have to escalate

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<v Speaker 1>to be heard? Do I need to cry, threatening to

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<v Speaker 1>leave or shut down for my feelings to count? Because

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<v Speaker 1>if your relationship requires emotional extremes, to produce basic consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not intimacy, it's instability. So here's what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to share about Principle one. Respect is how love stays safe,

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<v Speaker 1>Recognition is how love stays seen, and influence is how

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<v Speaker 1>love stays equal. Now, Principle two is all about scorekeeping.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another key principle that plays out with Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>and Ryan and is at the root of so many couples.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, keeping happens when we track what the other

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<v Speaker 1>person did or didn't do and quietly use that information

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<v Speaker 1>to build a case against them. But over time this

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<v Speaker 1>internal scoreboard can turn into resentment and emotional distance. Scorekeeping

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<v Speaker 1>makes us adversaries. Shared understanding makes us partners, and when

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<v Speaker 1>couples begin naming what they value in each other instead

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<v Speaker 1>of what's missing, the emotional tone of the relationship changes

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately. In my work, I've noticed that contribution usually

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<v Speaker 1>shows up in five areas financial, mental, physical, emotional spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>Conflict often happens when two people are giving generously, just

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<v Speaker 1>in different currencies, and because those currencies aren't named, both

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<v Speaker 1>people feel depleted and misunderstood even use. Sometimes, conflict often

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<v Speaker 1>arises when someone feels they are overgiving in one area

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<v Speaker 1>and under receiving in another area without naming it. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's an exercise. Your next step is the same one

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Amanda and Ryan to do. Ask yourself, in

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<v Speaker 1>what areas of your relationship do you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>are overgiving and under receiving? And in what areas do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel your undergiving and over receiving. Share your findings

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<v Speaker 1>with your partner and see if you can make any

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<v Speaker 1>alterations to find a more balance in your relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>school keepings often very unlabeled and random. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>I planned the last three dates. I always text first.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there when they were struggling, but where were

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<v Speaker 1>they when I needed support? Pologized they didn't. Scorekeeping doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>usually start with resentment. It starts with imbalance, and imbalance

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel dangerous at first. It feels annoying, but over time,

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<v Speaker 1>small mental talies turn into emotional distance. And here's the

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<v Speaker 1>part that's uncomfortable. Scorekeeping feels justified because most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time it is the reason we keep score. From a

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<v Speaker 1>psychological perspective, is humans are wired for fairness. Research in

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<v Speaker 1>social psychology shows that people are deeply sensitive to perceived inequity.

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<v Speaker 1>When one partner feels they're investing more than their receiving,

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<v Speaker 1>relationship satisfaction drops significantly. Equity theory basically says we don't

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<v Speaker 1>just want love, we want fairness, and when something feels unfair,

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<v Speaker 1>your brain flags it. That's not pettiness, that's biology. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's where it gets complicated. Fairness in relationships is rarely mathema.

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<v Speaker 1>It's emotional. One person might be carrying more financially, carrying

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<v Speaker 1>more emotionally, carrying more mentally, and the imbalance might be

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<v Speaker 1>temporary or chronic. The problem isn't noticing imbalance. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is turning it into a silent ledger. Let's make this

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<v Speaker 1>reel for twenty twenty six. Scorekeeping today looks like tracking

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<v Speaker 1>who initiates plans, Noticing who says I love you first

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<v Speaker 1>and more often, watching who shares their story on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>counting how long it takes for someone to reply, mentally

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<v Speaker 1>logging who compromised last. It sounds small, but it changes

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional tone of the relationship because once you start

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<v Speaker 1>keeping score, you stop giving freely. You give to balance

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<v Speaker 1>the sheet, and that shifts love from generosity to transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>John Gotman's research on relationships found something fascinating. Couples don't

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<v Speaker 1>survive becase they split everything fifty to fifty. They survive

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<v Speaker 1>because they respond to each other's bids for connection. A

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<v Speaker 1>bid can be small, look at this? Can I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you something? Are you okay? Healthy couples turn toward those

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<v Speaker 1>bids about eighty six percent of the time. Unhappy couples

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<v Speaker 1>around thirty three percent. Not because they're evil, because they're tired,

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<v Speaker 1>because they feel unseen, because they're already keeping score. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you're keeping score, you start missing bids on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now you want my attention, Oh now your affectionate,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now you care. Scorekeeping turns connection into revenge. Scorekeeping

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<v Speaker 1>feels powerful, it gives you evidence. But here's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Scorekeeping is usually unspoken resentment, and unspoken resentment becomes emotional withdrawal.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't scream, you don't leave, You just start caring

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<v Speaker 1>a little less. You stop initiating, you stop softening, stop breaching.

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<v Speaker 1>Not because you don't love them, because you're protecting yourself

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<v Speaker 1>from feeling foolish. So what's the alternative? This is important.

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<v Speaker 1>The solution is not to ignore imbalance. The solution is

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<v Speaker 1>to address it directly instead of storing it. Scorekeeping thrives

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<v Speaker 1>in silence. Healthy love says I'm feeling stretched here. I

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<v Speaker 1>need more support. I notice what you're giving me here,

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like I'm carrying this alone. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not nagging. That's clarity, because once resentment builds, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating needs, You're negotiating wounds. The next thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you about is conflict styles in messy Love.

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<v Speaker 1>The second couple I meet is gladys In Justin, who

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<v Speaker 1>are having a difficult time with the way they communicate

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<v Speaker 1>and trust in one another. I shared with them three

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<v Speaker 1>core fight styles or conflict styles, venting, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>fix this right now, hiding, I need space and time

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<v Speaker 1>to reflect on my feelings, and exploding what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>the first two go unheard. Here is a moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I introduced this idea to gladys In Justin. As you listen,

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<v Speaker 1>notice how naming the conflict style immediately lowers the temperature. Often,

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<v Speaker 1>when we finally speak up, we speak louder, but not clearer.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say louder, I don't mean you're shouting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's more confident, but it doesn't mean confidence. Is

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<v Speaker 1>clarity in is that person really able to understand what

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying. That's why this exercise of that trigger and

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<v Speaker 1>reaction is so important, because what's happening is the trigger

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<v Speaker 1>is speaking louder, maybe not clearer, and the reaction is

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<v Speaker 1>minimizing and projecting value onto it. And that's where everything escalates.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens when it escalates, so you don't feel seen

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<v Speaker 1>and heard, Gladys Justin will say, can't believe we're here again,

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<v Speaker 1>It's too small. Why are we doing this? Where does

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<v Speaker 1>that go?

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<v Speaker 6>I just shut down, which is the next one, but

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<v Speaker 6>I just shut down. And then that's when he I

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<v Speaker 6>want to have a conversation. And at that point, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to have a conversation. It just becomes an argument.

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<v Speaker 6>And then the conversation becomes very defensive. And then at

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<v Speaker 6>some point that is probably the biggest thing, Like I

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<v Speaker 6>feel it in my chest when this happens. I get

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<v Speaker 6>so angry that I'll just scream and be like I

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<v Speaker 6>don't care anymore. Just get off my phone, like I

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<v Speaker 6>don't even care, I don't want to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 6>walk away, and I start becoming really rude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's when we've we've already gone too far

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like it's unsavable at that point that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>because tensions high, there's loads of emotion, and we've lost

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<v Speaker 1>that rational part of us that has the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>just in your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>And it happens on both behalfs.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>There's sometimes where we'll show shut down and then I

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<v Speaker 7>do the same, and then we just don't talk and

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<v Speaker 7>then there's like that awkward silence and then somebody breaks

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<v Speaker 7>the ice. Most of the time it's me, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>coming to try to figure it out, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so what we're really speaking about here is

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<v Speaker 1>that in terms of your communication challenges, the communication challenges

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<v Speaker 1>for Gladys is saying what you really want when you

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<v Speaker 1>want it, and being really clear about it and for

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<v Speaker 1>it not to be a trigger. I think the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>is when we only communicate when it's triggered, it's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer communication. It's now a trigger. That's why we call

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<v Speaker 1>it that. And I think communication is actually there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong right now, and there's nothing that I'm agitated right now,

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<v Speaker 1>And in this piece, I'm actually going to share what

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<v Speaker 1>I want. If I communicate when i'm not triggered, Chances

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<v Speaker 1>are I won't trigger the other person. But if I

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<v Speaker 1>only communicate when I'm triggered, chances a I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>lead to a reaction. And I think for yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>that justin if you're only reacting to a trigger, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a reaction. But for you to break

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<v Speaker 1>this cycle, we've got to make sure that you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to even if Gladys gets triggered, to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>approach it in a form of validation and making her

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<v Speaker 1>feel seen and heard. And so there's responsibility and accountability

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides because we don't want to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the escalation point, because that's the point of an over return,

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<v Speaker 1>where repairing from that is a lot harder. When we

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<v Speaker 1>understand how we fight, we stop assuming it's about whether

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<v Speaker 1>we care. Here's a moment where we go deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>triggers and how quickly reactions can spiral when clarity is missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Conflict styles aren't flaws, their patterns we learn to protect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>But when those patterns go unnamed, they collide. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>isn't to eliminate conflict, it's to understand it well enough

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<v Speaker 1>that repair becomes possible. Conflict styles aren't flaws, their patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>We learn to protect ourselves, but when those patterns go unnamed,

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<v Speaker 1>they collide. The goal isn't to eliminate conflict, it's to

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<v Speaker 1>understand it well enough that repair becomes possible. For this exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>I invite you to identify which fight style is most

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<v Speaker 1>common for you in you your relationship. Then consider why

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<v Speaker 1>you think this style developed and whether any adjustments could

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<v Speaker 1>be made. Are you a fixer, a venor, or an exploder.

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<v Speaker 1>Most relationships don't fall apart because of big betrayals. They

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<v Speaker 1>fall apart because of how two people fight or don't fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Your conflict style is the invisible script you run when

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<v Speaker 1>something feels off. It's how you react when you're hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're misunderstood, when you're disappointed. And most of us

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<v Speaker 1>didn't choose our style, we inherited it. Here's what's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Research shows that conflict is not predictive of divorce. Avoidance

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<v Speaker 1>of repair is Gotman's work shows it's not about whether

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<v Speaker 1>you argue, it's about whether you repair quickly. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>soften after, do you circle back? Do you say I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't mean it that way? Or do you stay in

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<v Speaker 1>ego Here's the hard question. Ask yourself, when we fight,

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<v Speaker 1>do I feel closer after or more alone? Because conflict

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<v Speaker 1>styles don't term incompatibility repair does. It's not about finding

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<v Speaker 1>someone who you never argue with, It's about finding someone

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<v Speaker 1>who stays with you even after you argue. Principle number four.

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<v Speaker 1>The final couple we meet in Messy Love, My audible

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<v Speaker 1>original is Jeremy and Richard, who are deeply in love

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<v Speaker 1>and committed to growing together, but working through very different

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<v Speaker 1>communication styles. This is something I see quite often in

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<v Speaker 1>my work with couples and can be incredibly frustrating Without

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<v Speaker 1>a solution for this, I offer the XYZ method, a

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<v Speaker 1>simple framework for expressing needs without blame or judgment. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes like this, when you X, I feel why how

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<v Speaker 1>can we work together to get to Z? Let me

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<v Speaker 1>share a moment where I introduce this framework to Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard.

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<v Speaker 2>The challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>As humans, we all internalize all statements. So most people

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<v Speaker 1>when they hear this statement you don't understand me. What

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<v Speaker 1>we hear is you're not an understanding person. Right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not an understanding person. And then what the person on

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<v Speaker 1>the receiving end does is think of all the ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which they are an understanding person. Hey By, But

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, I understood when you had that doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait a minute, I understood when we were with JA.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, the way you want to share it

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<v Speaker 1>is very specific. When you do X, I feel why

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<v Speaker 1>how can we get to Z? We can use this

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<v Speaker 1>framework that is evolved from many solution focused therapies to

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<v Speaker 1>be really specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how we want to try and have that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward, because the other challenge we all say to

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<v Speaker 1>our partners is we all say, you always do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you never do that, right. You always leave the

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<v Speaker 1>dishes unclean, you never organize vacations for us to go on,

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<v Speaker 1>And so we speak in finality and completeness as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to when you leave the dishes uncleaned, very specific when

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<v Speaker 1>not always not when you leave the dishes uncleaned. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel you don't value me, whereas you could have just

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<v Speaker 1>said that you don't make me feel valued, and that

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<v Speaker 1>lands completely differently. You just don't value me, And now

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<v Speaker 1>the person, what do you mean I don't value I

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<v Speaker 1>just made you coffee this morning, I took the dog

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<v Speaker 1>for a walk, I cooked as.

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<v Speaker 2>Dinner last night.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean like, no, you don't value me,

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<v Speaker 1>the dishes were unclean last night, and now you've already

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<v Speaker 1>lost the argument when you do X, I feel why

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is you're taking accountability for your feeling

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<v Speaker 1>and you're being specific to clear up when you feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way, and then the person gets an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>explain how those two things are not connected. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to do, Richard, is I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to express something to Jeremy. You may have done something before.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to take something you shared in anger

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<v Speaker 1>or flippantly, or something you shared without this process. Maybe

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you said you don't value me. Maybe you said you're

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<v Speaker 1>careless with money, and I want you to now say

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<v Speaker 1>it with this new rhythm, a new script.

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<v Speaker 8>I was just kind of thinking about, like when that

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<v Speaker 8>typically happens, it's usually around like cleaning the house.

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<v Speaker 5>On That's where my mind went to first. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a very clean person.

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<v Speaker 8>I just want to state for the record, but he's

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<v Speaker 8>freakishly obsessively clean. I don't think you're a dirty person

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<v Speaker 8>at all. I think you can be messy. And when

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<v Speaker 8>I spend a lot of time making our house nice

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<v Speaker 8>and clean and lovely, like a hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>I and when.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so now I want to use the script.

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<v Speaker 1>So how would Richard have said that before today? How

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>would Richard have said that? How would you say this

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<v Speaker 1>without the script?

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<v Speaker 5>God, why can't you just wipe that up? You're a

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<v Speaker 5>dirty slob?

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<v Speaker 8>Or like God, I just cleaned up, deep cleaned the

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<v Speaker 8>whole house, and like you're you know, making a sound

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<v Speaker 8>when you can't even wipe up the crumbs.

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<v Speaker 5>He will get bothered by me eating food after he's

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<v Speaker 5>going to deep clean.

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<v Speaker 8>But like, I don't mind, just like wipe down the counter,

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<v Speaker 8>there's like crumbs. How would you set when when you

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<v Speaker 8>do these kind of things? Do you when you leave

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<v Speaker 8>the crumbs on the counter after I cleaned?

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<v Speaker 5>I deep cleaned our home.

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<v Speaker 8>I feel like you don't value the love and work

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<v Speaker 8>that I put into our household to make it nice

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<v Speaker 8>for us.

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<v Speaker 5>So how do we get to the Z?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What can we do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you need at that point to get to Z?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, in order for me to get to ZEE, I

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<v Speaker 8>would want you to be more mindful when you've noticed

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<v Speaker 8>that I took a lot of time out of my

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<v Speaker 8>day to make our home the way it is. Sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>that so much better, though, That would make me feel valued.

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<v Speaker 8>Sure that you know you appreciate all the hard work

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<v Speaker 8>that I.

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<v Speaker 5>Do for our household.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where we take that XYZ method and apply it

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<v Speaker 1>in real time. So what makes the XYZ method so

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<v Speaker 1>powerful isn't just the words themselves. It's the space it

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<v Speaker 1>creates between reaction and understanding. So often in relationships, we

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<v Speaker 1>think we're arguing about the behavior, but what we're really

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>fighting is the meaning we've attached to it. The moment

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<v Speaker 1>we assume intention, the conversation becomes about who's right instead

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<v Speaker 1>of what's true. The XYZ method helps us untangle that.

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<v Speaker 1>When you X anchors us in observation, not interpretation, it

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<v Speaker 1>asks us to describe what happened, not what we think

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it says about our partner. When you say I feel why,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds us that emotions are not weapons, they're signals.

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And when we take responsibility for our feelings, we stop

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<v Speaker 1>asking our partner to defend themselves and instead invite them

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<v Speaker 1>to understand us. Finally, when you say how can we

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>get to Z? That shifts the energy completely. It transforms

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<v Speaker 1>conflict from a courtroom into a collaboration. For this exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>think of a point of frustration in your relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to communicate with the other person using the XYZ model.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure you feel heard, then create the space for

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<v Speaker 1>the other person to do the same. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>something that sounds simple but quietly determines whether a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>deepens or deteriorates. Communicating your feelings, not your opinions, not

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<v Speaker 1>your analysis, not your sarcasm, your feelings. But here's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people think they're communicating their feelings when they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>communicating their conclusions, and those are very different things. When

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>something hurts, most of us don't say I felt ignored.

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>We say you never listen. When we feel insecure, we

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>don't say I'm feeling anxious, we say you don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>That shift from feeling to accusation changes everything. Here's the

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>hard question. Ask yourself, when I'm hurt, do I communicate

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<v Speaker 1>to be understood or do I communicate to win? Because

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<v Speaker 1>these two intentions create completely different outcomes. And our final

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<v Speaker 1>principle today comes from my conversation with Justin and Gladys.

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<v Speaker 1>Lasting change feels overwhelming when we think in terms of forever,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we focus on just thirty days, trust becomes

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<v Speaker 1>achievable again through small, consistent actions. So what I suggest

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<v Speaker 1>to them is to create a thirty day agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharing a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Now where I introduce this idea to just in a

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>glad is as you listen, notice how the energy shifts

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<v Speaker 1>when the focus moves from forever to just the next

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty days. For the remainder of this session, I want

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to focus in on creating what I see as a

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.240
<v Speaker 1>thirty day agreement that you both make together that becomes

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>a rolling agreement, which is an agreement to everything that

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<v Speaker 1>you both just mentioned, the growth, the love, the connection.

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<v Speaker 2>But we want to do it with practical terminology.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I mean by that is, well, how often

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<v Speaker 1>do we want to talk, what do we want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? How often do we want to meet and connect?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's structure that. Let's create what our current boundaries are

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<v Speaker 1>and where we want to stop them, because what we

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want it to become is that right now you

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<v Speaker 1>both feel really clear that it's not time to get

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>back together. It would be too early, it would be

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>too rushed, it would be too forced. And we want

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to get to a point where we don't rush into

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>it or fall into those moments. But that you both

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>are able to progress, and so I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what a thirty day agreement would look like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, what are we both signing up for in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of time for connection, in terms of space, in

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>terms of how often we're getting together, and in terms

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>of whatever our boundaries. So we okay, we may spend

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>one or two three days together in a row, but

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 1>then gonna need two days off, like I'm gonna you know,

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, and then that can change. That agreement

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>becomes something that you come back to, but actually the

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<v Speaker 1>next thirty days, I'm willing to spend one more day together.

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<v Speaker 1>And it becomes like that guideline I gave you for

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<v Speaker 1>the three part communication. It's that whenever emotions take over

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>in either direction, you have something to turn to and

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you both keep each other accountable to that you're not

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>making a commitment for the next twelve months. It's a

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty day agreement that again, what I would encourage you

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<v Speaker 1>to do in thirty days is to sit down and

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<v Speaker 1>do this again together as if I was there, and say, Okay, well,

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>this is what went well, this is what didn't work.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we didn't spend enough time together, Maybe we just

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>spent too much time together, maybe there was this, and

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<v Speaker 1>so then you create a new agreement and it's thirty days,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you're not signing a contract for life or

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's sometimes what's so hard about relationships. As

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>we make these big decisions, we're like, oh, we're just

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>going to move back in together and figure it out,

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, well, okay, well what does that look

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like in thirty days and sixty days? And so this

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>patient approach is healthier for Laer, it's healthier for both

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of you, as you've both talked about. And so if

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 1>right now you're both signing up to no other romantic partners,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thirty day agreement. If that changes in ninety days,

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it's something you can update each other on and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least there's clarity and you both have a

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<v Speaker 1>transparent approach to it.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree, Yeah, I don't know why imagining it has

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<v Speaker 6>to be like a three page agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to be honest, the simpler and the less

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<v Speaker 1>the better. To me, it's not about how many points

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you have on it. It's more about having the key

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<v Speaker 1>things that move the needle for both of you and

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>checking in with how you feel. So yeah, I would

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>say I would like you both to like write this

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>out in your words together. It would be a great

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>activity to do together as your homework, print it out,

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>keep it somewhere really really clear. Or you both have

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the same print out the same words you've chosen those

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>words together, and ideas for each as well. You know,

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you may find that going out for brunch and dinner

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>is nice, but then you want to add other activities

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and things and trips or whatever else that includes. I

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think getting language downright so that you both feel really

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:27.919
<v Speaker 1>clear about it and you know what you're honoring would

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<v Speaker 1>be something I would recommend you both do after this together.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that feel good?

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<v Speaker 6>This feels really good.

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<v Speaker 1>The beauty of the thirty day contract isn't in grand promises.

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>It's in small, consistent actions that rebuild trust slowly and intentionally.

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Trust isn't restored through intensity, It's restored through repetition. Here's

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>an exercise. Create a thirty day contract with the other

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>person in your relationship. In the agreement, be short to

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<v Speaker 1>include these three things. One, identify your core pillars, what

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>are integral to the relationship, what they are, and what

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>they mean to you. Two set realistic commitments and boundaries

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>that you both feel good about. Number three, revisit and

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>renew your agreement regularly. This is a working document and

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not a one undone deal. These five principles are just

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a few of the powerful insights you'll hear in my

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<v Speaker 1>audible original Messy Love. For much more where that came from,

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0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you for listening. Remember I'm forever in your corner and

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<v Speaker 1>always rooting for you.