WEBVTT - Doppelgängers: Hey you, you're me! 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey, everybody, it's Josh and Chuck is here in spirit too, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.360 and we just wanted to drop a casual reminder that 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.680 we are going to have a swinging Pacific Northwest Swing 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.400 this coming February, and tickets are now on sale. February 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.520 one will be at the More Theater in Seattle, February 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.440 two will be at Revolution Hall in Portland, and on 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.600 February three, for s F Sketch Fest, will be at 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.600 the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Go check out all of our 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.479 social media's for more information and links to tickets, and 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.879 we'll see you in February. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:45.879 a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.040 the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.560 and this is Stuff you Should Know. The day after 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:58.200 Labor Day edition, which Chuck loves. Uh. Yeah, you know, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.000 Emily show me that article all that informed part of 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:07.880 this episode the other day. Yeah, and we'll get to it. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.160 But I started looking at this photographer's doppelganger photo series. Yeah, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:18.440 and boy, some of those are crazy similar. Yeah. What 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.040 about the two bears with their shirts off? Yeah, those 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.440 guys struck me as extremely close, the two women with 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.720 the bangs and the black tank tops looked like identical twins. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.160 To me. I could not tell them apart. Yeah, I 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.840 feel like we shouldn't tease anybody anymore. There's a guy 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.760 and like you said, we'll get to him, um in 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.039 a little bit, but or he'll figure in in a 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.360 little bit, I should say. But he's a Montreal I guess. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:49.200 The quebec Qua photographer Francois Brunel, And for twenty years 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:54.240 he's been assembling pictures of doppel gangers, people who already 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.080 knew they had a doppelganger and wrote in Doppelgangers. He's 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.520 looked for and found on the street and he brings 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 them together are into a studio and photographs them together. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.120 But he does some like really cool stuff with it. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.800 It's not just like here you stand here and you 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.000 stand next to him. The way that he poses them 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.000 and dresses him and everything like it creates like a 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.120 sense of intimacy between them. It makes you think you're 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.800 looking at identical twin photos. Yeah, I mean, you know 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.079 some of them people favor one another, and then when 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.480 you have them styled to look alike and postal like that, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.000 informs what you're seeing. But a handful of them, it 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.160 was they look so much like identical twins that it's 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.120 just it's weird to think that you could walk down 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.120 the street one day and someone who looks exactly like you. Yeah, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.560 and I mean like that is got to be pretty eerie. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.200 And luckily one of the great things about social media 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.560 is that people can post their random encounters. You've got 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.240 a phone with camera on it, You've got access to 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.560 social media through that phone. You can just snap a 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.920 picture of you and your doppelganger, post it to the 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.040 internet and let everyone go crazy. And that does happen, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.200 it seems like from time to time. But this dude's 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.799 whole jam it's called them. I'm not a look alike 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.079 the exclamation point. It sounds like a Disney movie from 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.519 the sixties or something. Um, but that's that's a Francois 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.400 Brunel's twenty Years series. Yeah, and not just hey, Chuck, 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.280 you look like every tubby guy with a beard and glasses. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.920 It's like, that's that's lazy. I think when you're in 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.799 the public eye, people tend to do things like that 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.280 to say, Okay, you look like all of these people Um, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.560 we're talking like real lookalikes. Um, which I you know, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.200 I think I've gotten a couple here and there over 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.919 the years that that I was like, Okay, I could 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:38.600 see that for sure, But um, doppel gangers are different. Yeah. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.240 So doppelganger, if you haven't just surmised already, it's a 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.280 German word at its origin, and um, it's not one 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.960 of those really clever German words. It really just means 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:53.480 double goer, or a different interpretation is double walker. And 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.840 it's not some super old like like medieval word. It 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.760 was actually coined at the end of the eighteenth entry 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.120 by um an author named Jean Paul, which is an 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.920 unlikely German name if you ask me. But he wrote 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:12.560 a book called The sieben Cuss. Yeah, sieben Cuss, I 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.680 nailed it, um. And that book was about a man 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.560 who had a doppel ganger. Right, yeah, I think John 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.920 Paul's hiding something with that name. I do think he's 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.840 actually a double I think there's a dousel Doworf at 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.760 the end or something that he left off, right. Uh. Yeah, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.799 so he wrote about it in that novel. But um, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.040 as Olivia is keen to point out, Livia helped us 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.680 with this one. The uh, he sort of mixes up 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.560 the words when he was actually talking about a look 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:46.120 alike human. He used the word with a T doupled ganga, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.520 but did use the word doppelganger in there as a 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.080 as a meal with two courses being served together. So 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.520 I don't know if things just got a little confused 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.040 or people thought it was just fine to drop the T, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.920 but double ganger became the eventual word that we use for, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.520 you know, a non related look alike, and that's I 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.440 don't know if we pointed that out. The obvious thing 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.760 here is that you're not not related to these people 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.440 at all. Yeah. And the other thing about a um 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.800 doppel gangers again, like you said, it's not like, oh, 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.400 you bear a passing resemblance or you favor one another, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.960 like you're as close to the person's double body double 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.479 as you can get in. The closer you are, the 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.960 more of a doppel ganger you are, basically. But um, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.279 but John Paul I can't say his name any other way. Um, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.680 he coined those terms, so it's funny that he kind 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.280 of got it wrong. Everybody else is like, no, we're 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.520 gonna drop the T, like you said. But the fact 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.640 that he coined the term doppel ganger doesn't mean he 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.960 invented the concept. It's actually a much older concept that 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.920 just didn't have the same name that we use now. Um. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:54.200 Apparently there's a longstanding um superstition in England in Germany 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.440 dating back I think to the medieval age, maybe before Chuck, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.479 where if you saw your doppel ganger three times it 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.240 meant you were about to die. And that's still I 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.840 think people still kind of believe that one. Yeah, And 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.280 that's I mean, there are all kinds of old pieces 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.440 of folklore and just about every country you can explore 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.920 that has some sort of and it's usually not if 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.680 you find your doppelganger then you know good luck will 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.400 come your way. It always seems like it's some kind 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.400 of uh, spooky negative thing will happen, whether you see 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.800 them three times or whether. I mean, there was one 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.200 I think in the North mythology where a spirit appears. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.479 This one's just a little weird. It appears just like you, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.719 but it it beat to you to wherever you're going. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.400 So if you're traveling on a journey, your doppelganger would 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.520 beat you there, and people think that you would have 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:51.200 arrived earlier. I don't know if that's the solves tardiness 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.840 for the North mythology, but that one's not super evil, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.200 but it's usually, especially when you get into literature, Uh, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.440 some sort of know evil force or evil twin that's 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.560 coming along to wreck things for you. Yeah, and that 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.719 Norse one that arrives, I just want to put a 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.000 button on that because I did a little research it. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.120 Um it's called the bard Dooger. And the reason I 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.040 know how to pronounce this because I looked up with 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.960 the oh with the slash is pronounced like and it's 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.520 the same thing as oh with the oom wount. I 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.240 didn't know that before, did you. Yeah, well you might 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.640 be a little more of a metal fan of me. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.920 It's cool looking, just like the Umlaut. Super cool. I 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.080 think it's cooler than the Umlaut. It's got like a 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.240 slash through it, you know, like take that oh, whereas 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.080 the Umlauts, Like, I'm adorning this. Oh it's a little 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.680 different all right. Uh. Edgar Allan Poe wrote a story 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.360 called William Wilson. Uh. It's sort of like I mentioned 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.760 before about you know, evil things happening. A narrator meets 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.400 a boy at school. Uh, and this one had the 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.240 same name. I'm presuming William Wilson, otherwise it be a 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.440 weird title. And this boy, though, only speaks in a whisper. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.280 So it seems like all through literature it's always some 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:08.040 sort of a creepy, shadowy figure. Yeah. There's also Dustoyevsky 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.840 um put kind of a spin on it where he 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.080 introduced a doppel ganger to the main character in a 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.720 novel called or novella I think called The Double, and 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.680 I love this. In it, the doppel ganger is like 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.080 a more likable version of the main character and ends 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.440 up breaking the main character character mentally, which I could 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.280 totally see that. You know, like if this this impostor 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.960 comes along or this other version of you comes along 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.360 and people are like a lot more. Yeah, it reminds me. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.240 Have you seen that Paul Rudd show Living with Yourself? 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.120 I don't know how it escaped, but they did a 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.640 season of it in two thousand nineteen. Didn't follow up 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.280 on it, but he plays himself and his doppel ganger 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.480 too great comedic effect, but it's also like really fascinating 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.200 and interesting. It's a really great show. It's on Netflix. Well, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.280 that's the other thing, and we'll talk about some more 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.559 in history. But of course with t V, oftentimes it's 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.400 flipped to a more fun thing and it's played for laughs, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.319 whether you know. I don't think Three's Company had a 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.319 doppelganger episode, but it wouldn't surprise me because it can 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.560 be played for a sort of mixed identity hijinks as well, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.880 totally like a one where Mr Furley was into Jack 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.880 but it was really his doppelganger. Yeah, and I mean 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.840 it would probably be like its twin brother who came 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.679 to visit in that case. But this still counts an 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.800 unknown twin still in the cannon counts as a doppel ganger, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.600 do you think, well, yeah, I think so. Al Right, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.880 well he just negated what I said that they're not related. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.400 But well, okay, that's true. Once you find out. Here's 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.440 the thing that this actually proves your point, Chuck. Once 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.640 the characters find out, oh it's a twin, mystery solved, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.560 no longer a doppelganger. It becomes a twin. But up 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.760 to that point, when they're like crossing paths with one 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.480 another and never in the same room at the same time, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.720 doppel ganger, Yes, exactly. But for really doesn't have a 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.000 brother or does why is he acting so weird? Uh? 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.320 There have been some true historical figures over the years 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:13.000 that bought into this stuff. Um Abraham Lincoln. Uh, he 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.880 and his wife, they had all kinds of kind of 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:22.920 interesting beliefs. It was the age of spiritualism, Yeah, for sure, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.079 So you have to take that consideration, I think. But um, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:32.880 Lincoln supposedly saw his image three times I think in 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.080 the mirror in eighteen sixty which, uh, what was his 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:41.080 wife's name, Mary Todd? Mary Todd. Mary Todd said, uh, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.079 you know you're gonna serve two terms as president and 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.400 that's what that means, but you're gonna die before the 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.839 end of the second term. And he said, well good 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.680 night here. But see, I take issue with some with 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.960 some of these listed historically because they're more ghostly specters 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:03.680 than real human doppelganger. So John Dunn's um story is 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.559 strictly by location. I would not call it a doppelganger 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.400 one where he saw his wife a few times while 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.079 he was in Paris and she was back in England 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.160 and she was actually ill and their child had died. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.240 By location doesn't count. But Percy by Shelley, he saw 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.960 his doppelganger and died a few weeks later in a 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.560 sailing accident. That I would say that one counts in 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.080 the lore. And then Catherine the Greates was pretty good too, right, Yeah, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.640 And I think Percy By Shelley's doppelganger had a T 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.120 shirt on and said I'd rather be sailing made it 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.880 even weirder. No, he had his T shirt said no 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.880 plates because that was his third third choice. Who was 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.360 the other one? Catherine the Great? Yeah, this was a 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.760 real one to actually um Supposedly there was a servant 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:49.439 right who discovered a double like that somehow got in there, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.840 fake their way in there and was sitting on the throne. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.880 So this was a case where someone was I don't 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.040 think trying to, like, you know, realistically take over as queen, 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.400 but at least got in there and it's like I'm 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.240 gonna sit on the throne and I got past the 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.000 guards because I look like you. Yeah. I also saw 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.640 it interpreted as like phantasma gork too, like it didn't happen, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.720 know that it was like a phantom or adopt like 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.880 a supernatural adopted doppelganger, rather than like a double or 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.360 something like that. Again, not a real doppelganger to me. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.319 And then my favorite one of all time. I've known 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.480 this one since I was a kid, back when I 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.640 was into the Time Life mysteries books, because I think 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.360 that's where I first read it. But the German poet 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.360 and philosopher good To. One of the reasons I like 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.760 this anecdote is because I love saying Gertz's name. He 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:40.559 um was writing one time from Alsace to I want 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.680 to say Dusseldorf, but I think that's wrong, but it works, right, 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.920 I mean, sure, it's the name of that author, and 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.959 he passed himself on the road and the other his 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.560 doppelganger was wearing some gray outfit or whatever. And then 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.400 like eight years later he was on his way from 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.600 Dusseldorf to Alsace going the other way, and he realized 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.120 he was wearing that same outfit that his doppelganger have 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.840 been wearing eight years before, and he was like, this 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.480 is pretty awesome. And that was a Time Life books thing. Yeah, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.079 I remember it very well. Yeah, that sounds about right. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.280 I didn't know how to say good It's his name 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.200 at the time, though, so I was like, this really 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:20.839 weird thing happened to goth all right, maybe we should 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.160 take a little break now that we've sort of given 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.240 some past examples of what may or may not be doppelgangers, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.240 and we'll talk about real doppelgangers, real life humans walking 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:51.600 around that looked like you right after this. All right, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.360 so we mentioned, uh, the photographer um France Wis Brunell, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.880 who's been doing this project. It's called I'm Not a 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.760 look Alike. Where they where he takes pictures of these people. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.320 I'm sorry, there's an exclamation point at the end of that. Yeah, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.480 I'm not a look alike. I encourage people to go 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.160 check this out when they're in a safe space and 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:12.880 you're like not driving or whatever, to look at some 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.720 of these photos because it's it's amazing. I mean some 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.920 of them, like I said, look to my eye, like 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.560 identical twins or the other two sort of um gentlemen 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.080 probably in their sixties with a little mustache. Did you 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.640 see those guys, the shirtless ones. No, the picture I saw, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.840 they had on like little uh, sort of like newsboy caps. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.400 I don't know if I saw those guys. They look 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.640 I mean, they look like identical twins and um those 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.480 are the ones that This is the article that Emily 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.080 sent me where it talked about that project, and then 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:52.240 it got into a really interesting study because if you think, well, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.840 you know, what is a doppelganger? I've always since I 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.560 was a kid, I've always sort of um realize that 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.080 there are only so many facial combinations you can have. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.600 And with the amount of we talked about this over 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.880 the years in the show too, like over the years 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.160 and through history especially, seems to happen. If you're looking 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.840 through like yearbooks from like the forties and fifties and sixties, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.480 you'll like see people that look like people you know, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.680 are like yourself. They're just only so many ways you 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.640 can rearrange a face until you're bound at some point 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.320 to get someone who maybe favor somebody a little bit 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.600 or even more, or to the point where they look 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.680 just alike. Uh. And so you might think, well, what 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.640 does that have to say about what's going on inside? 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.280 Is there any anything to d n A And they 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.960 looked into that, right, Yeah, I guess Brunel's work caught 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.080 the attention of UM A researcher named Manel Estellor from 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.200 Spain from the Careers Leukemia Research Institute who said, I 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.080 want to try to figure this out, and these people 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.160 are like a perfect population sample. So he took I 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.920 think thirty two pairs of doppelgangers, ran them through three 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.000 different facial recognition programs, and half of them I guess 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.720 sixteen of the pairs. As far as the a I 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.920 was concerned in the programs, they were identical twins. That's 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.600 what the AI took them for and all three programs, right. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.200 So they took those people and they analyzed their genomes 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.360 and they found actually, these people have a lot of 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.320 similar genes and even though they're not related. That was 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.320 another part of the study. They went through and made 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.080 sure that these people weren't like there was some unknown 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.000 relation that they had to one another. They didn't. They 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:33.160 were as genetically unrelated as two random strangers would be 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.640 on the street. But they shared some some very similar 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.440 genes and some key places, especially like facial construction. Yeah, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.880 and they were also uh. And again this doesn't like 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.160 less than the study any to me, but they were 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.920 generally from the same country or the same ethnic background. Um. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.720 Although I did see UH gender varied because there was 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.800 one where it was a man and a woman who 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.560 looked a lot alike uh in those photos that they 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.640 put together there, which is pretty interesting. But they looked 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.280 into how they matched up, uh, I think with their 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:12.359 microbiome epigenetically, which is basically how your behaviors in your 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.159 environment is going to affect your genes, and then just 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.600 your straight up genome. And what they found out was 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.119 they did share a lot of what are called SNPs 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:27.840 single nucleotide polymorphisms, which are the variations in our DNA 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.399 that create most of the genetic genetic variation that people 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.880 have with one another. So they shared, uh a lot 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.920 of them. And I wish we would have gotten like 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.000 the raw numbers, because all it says is like, you know, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.760 they shared many s and p s, whereas I'd like 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.639 to see sort of the actual data, which I couldn't 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.280 get to. Um. But what they did find was that 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:54.359 epigenetically and with their microbiomes, they were basically random, so 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.960 it was only genetically that they shared something. Well yeah, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.320 and they said, well, actually, I think this is probably 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.399 what accounts for a lot of the differences in identical twins. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.439 Like people look at identical twins and they're like, oh, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.959 you're identical, But if you really start to look at 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.879 them closely. You're like, actually, there's a lot more differences 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.159 than you'd think between them. And even though they share 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.800 the same genes, I think of the same d n A. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.679 What makes identical twins slightly different is in their epigenome. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.480 And this this study basically found the same thing with applegangers. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.800 They can share a lot of similar genes that that 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.840 give them the same facial traits or builds or um. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.880 I think even habits. They found a lot of them, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.359 Like if one smoke, the other was likely to smoke. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.119 You know, they carried their weight about the same way. Um. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.040 But they found that that, Like you said that the 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.800 differences were found in their epigenome, and I don't know 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.000 if I know they tested it, but I didn't see 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.280 that their microbio might have provided some differences to It's 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.600 basically nature versus nurture, or more to the point, it's 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.639 like nature and nurture working together to make us slightly different, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:02.560 even when we're basically bad owned to look the same genetically. Yeah, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.919 I think the microbiome was the same as the epigenetic finding, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.320 which was I think the quote was that generally wasn't 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.760 any closer than two randos. That's what they said in 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:18.439 the paper. Randos they did, they did. I'm trying to 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:24.160 find real quick the data the number of s MPs um. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:25.840 I can't find it that quick. There's a lot of 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.840 numbers and weird like like capital C, lower case P, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.680 capital G. I'm like, I don't know what that is, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.240 but I will tell you this. I looked up those 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.399 those older guys in the news caps. They are spitting image. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.439 And not only are they spinning image of one another, 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:49.320 they're spinning image of the Lennox air conditioning man look 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.960 exactly like that guy down to the hat. Well. I 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.240 guess if that guy ever, you know, leaves the earth 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.040 and they got two backups, I mean, what's it called 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.840 when you get three doppel gangers together? A tropic ganger? 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.000 I guess. So what I'd be curious to see is 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.080 if and maybe I'll look more just for my own 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:13.959 funzies into uh, the photographer's project, because what I'm curious 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.679 about is if these like, how these people get along, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.720 and if they like formed friendships, if they liked each other, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.080 if they had similar interests. You know, that's that's pretty 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.520 fascinating to me. I think so too, and again like 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.520 that's that's the kind of stuff They can take a 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.840 really a real turn. I guess depending on how you 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.320 were raised or even like you know, or you're raising 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.439 your power lines. Great, that means you're into baseball cards. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.720 That kind of thing, um that we just haven't put 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.359 our finger on yet, but it does seem like, you know, 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.160 it's becoming clear and clear. It's not just genetics, it's 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.840 not just epigenetics. It's it's all that stuff put together. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:54.920 And it seems like so wildly unattainable that information, um, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.240 because it's so complicated. There's so many variables and so 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.600 many factors. But if you step back and think about it, 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.000 there's a finite number of variables and factors, as many 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.360 as it seems to us, it's a finite number. It's 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.119 not infinite, which means someday we could conceivably get a 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:15.919 grasp on exactly what makes a person them, which I 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.879 find really exciting. You know, it would be funny as 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.120 if they really got along and they were like, oh 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.720 my god, we have so many similarities. We look just alike. 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.680 This is such a weird thing. And they were having 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.080 lunch and one of them was like boy, what a 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.400 shame that Hilary lost their right and the other one 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.560 by unveils and make America Great again t shirt or 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.360 some chops there. Fork. They just get up in part 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.960 ways silently. Yeah, that would be the best case scenario, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:45.400 I think. Yeah. Uh so this study, um, this next 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.680 one kind of irritates me a little bit. It was 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.040 from and I think was well intentioned. But there was 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.880 an Australian biologists name Tegan Lucas who looked at got 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.440 off to a great start, looked at four thousand faces 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:04.480 from the u US and throw uh Anthropometric Survey database, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.240 which is something the U. S Army puts together. And 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.480 Ta Tigan Lucas is listening now, She's like, oh, he 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.520 got off to a great start on the US Anthropometric Survey. Chuck. Well, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.040 I think Teagan Lucas overachieved because what they did was 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:22.960 looked across eight facial features and calculated the like, the 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.040 chances that you look just like someone else's one in 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.280 a trillion. I see these pictures of these doppelgangers. I'm like, 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.000 there's just no way because I'm looking at the evidence 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.520