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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by the one and only Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field, Wes. It's

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Speaker 1: almost here. Packers Bears Week one at Soldier Field in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Kickoff will be three twenty five pm on Sunday afternoon

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Speaker 1: Central Time. And normally when we get to this part

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Speaker 1: of the week and it's week one heading into the

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Speaker 1: season opener, you like to talk about how healthy the

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Speaker 1: team is and how you know everybody got through training

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Speaker 1: camp in great shape. And well that's not the case

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Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers at one position in particular.

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Speaker 1: And of course I'm talking about wide receiver because at

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Speaker 1: the time that we are taping this, which is Thursday morning,

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Speaker 1: at Wednesday's practice, both Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs were

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Speaker 1: out with hamstring injuries. Dontavian Wicks, the rookie fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick who had missed the back half of training camp

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Speaker 1: with a hamstring injury. He's still on the injury report

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Speaker 1: with that injury, but he was back practicing on a

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Speaker 1: limited basis. But regardless, what the Packers' receiving corps is

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Speaker 1: going to look like on Sunday afternoon in Chicago is

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Speaker 1: a bit of a question mark.

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Speaker 2: It is, Michael, and obviously that was a surprise for

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks. When we go out to practice,

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Speaker 2: you know that Romeo Dobbs have been missing some time

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Speaker 2: with the hamstring, and then you you group Watson into

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Speaker 2: that conversation as well. The thing, I selfishly for them,

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Speaker 2: even let's say they'd be able to play on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: I just hate that both of those guys, who had

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Speaker 2: such good off seasons had put their best foots forward.

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Speaker 2: I think Romeo has been such a consistent presence. You

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Speaker 2: certainly seen the dynamic deep threat that Christian Watson provides.

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Speaker 2: You just wanted to be able to see them get

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Speaker 2: out on the field full go one hundred. Let's see

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Speaker 2: how this all plays out. And unfortunately, even if they're

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Speaker 2: able to play, they're probably gonna be somewhat compromised. But

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Speaker 2: it's a difficult, tricky thing for the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 2: right now because you have to navigate what your plan

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Speaker 2: handling it. The one thing. Again, this is a very

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Speaker 2: small silver lining, but this was Wednesday's practice. So it

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Speaker 2: tells you that the Green Bay Packers went into Wednesday knowing, okay,

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Speaker 2: Christian Watson's and they're probably not going to go today

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Speaker 2: for whenever it happened, probably not going to be out there.

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Speaker 2: So the coaching staff at least has been able to

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Speaker 2: adapt to that, make their adjustments and put together a

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Speaker 2: plan that can win here for Jordan Love and this

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Speaker 2: young offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and as much as the Packers want to start

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Speaker 1: fast this season, obviously, you want to do everything you

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Speaker 1: can to win the game on Sunday in Chicago, this

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Speaker 1: issue with Watson that they have to be really careful

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Speaker 1: because we saw what happened last year. He was dealing

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Speaker 1: with a hamstring injury early in the year. Then he

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Speaker 1: got back into action, but then the hamstring cropped up

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Speaker 1: again midway through the game in London, and then he

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Speaker 1: was out again for a while, and then in the

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Speaker 1: second half of his rookie season. We obviously saw what

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Speaker 1: Christian Watson brings to this offense, but because of the

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Speaker 1: the on again, off again, you know, dealing with with

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Speaker 1: the hamstring issue last year, we didn't really see what

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Speaker 1: everybody was hoping from Christian Watson until the calendar got

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Speaker 1: much later in the season. So the Packers now have

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Speaker 1: that history, they understand what happened last year. That will

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Speaker 1: all be taken into account in terms of moving forward here.

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Speaker 1: But what this does on Sunday in Chicago is creates

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Speaker 1: an even brighter spotlight than was already going to be

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Speaker 1: on two rookies that we knew were going to be

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Speaker 1: significant parts of this Packers offense. With Jordan Love at

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Speaker 1: quarterback and I'm talking about the two second round picks

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Speaker 1: Jaden Reid at wide receiver more so slot receiver most likely,

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Speaker 1: but then also Luke Musgrave at tight end. If each

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Speaker 1: heading into Sunday, We'll just have to see.

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Speaker 2: And the creativity that the Packers coaching staff is gonna

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Speaker 2: have to come up with. It isn't when you say target,

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Speaker 2: it's it's not just pass targets, right, it's right end

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Speaker 2: to rounds, it's push passes, it's other things that they

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Speaker 2: are we going to see with Aaron Jones and aj

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Speaker 2: the most part, they've been running with the one since

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Speaker 2: day one of the offseason program. They understood what was

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Speaker 2: excited to watch this season, looking specifically at Luke Musgrave,

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Speaker 2: is the tight end in this offense in the Jordan

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Speaker 2: so far, but he has a knack for finding his

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Speaker 2: tight ends. He had a little bit of a rapport

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Speaker 2: you know, Musgrave gets five receptions during the preseason during

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Speaker 2: and I think having two guys with Reed and Musgrave

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Speaker 2: you get Dobbs and Watson out there. It can be

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Speaker 2: a real catalyst for this unit because you saw the

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Speaker 2: stretch plays, you saw the nineteen yard touchdown in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: you know, coming on the crosser like Jaden Reid did.

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Speaker 2: They're going to challenge the eyes and the integrity of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the five reception Musgrave had in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: He was also targeted on some other passes as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw Jordan Love certainly looking to him

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Speaker 1: Watson and or Dobbs cannot go in this game, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a bigger opportunity for Samai Toure, who suddenly

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Speaker 1: you know, he could be the most experienced wide receiver

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookie from Mississippi. You know, throw him in there

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Speaker 1: Tavian Wix. He is at least practicing on a limited basis,

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Speaker 1: and he was running with the ones in training camp

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Speaker 1: at times before the hamstring injury cropped up with him.

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Speaker 1: But I was what was interesting to me in going

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Speaker 1: the poise, the you know, calm, cool, collected, Jordan love

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Speaker 1: Samai Toure did not look bothered in one bit by

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Speaker 1: he looks like a young man who has a lot

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Speaker 1: He looks like he's ready for whatever comes his way up.

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Speaker 2: I think people forget that this guy was right along

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Speaker 2: with Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs in the journey of

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Speaker 2: development last year. Now, he didn't get as many in

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Speaker 2: he's seen some stuff over his time, and he was

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Speaker 2: a season college athlete. I mean you look at his

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Speaker 2: then he ends up at Nebraska. A lot of people wondering, Okay,

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Speaker 2: can this FCS kid do anything here? He ends up

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Speaker 2: being their leading receiver. I wrote in the off season,

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Speaker 2: I know you and I have talked about it too.

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Speaker 2: He has succeeded at every level of football he's played,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what people have thought about it. But what

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Speaker 2: you were over in the Milie Heath huddle too. What

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Speaker 2: stands out to me the most, and it goes back

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Speaker 2: there isn't that expectation and theo they look at. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's because they all were pretty much star college focal

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Speaker 2: points for their respective teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been the guy. They've been the guy, just

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Speaker 2: You think Malik Heath is getting nervous about having to

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Speaker 2: play on Sunday, I mean, listen to Malik Heath talk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy that has done it

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Speaker 2: at every level. Four star recruit you know, was that

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Speaker 2: Mississippi old miss Mississippi State. He's ready for it. He's

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Speaker 2: had you remember talking to him during the final week

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Speaker 2: of camp saying he's talked to Elton Jenkins and Preston

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Speaker 2: it takes to succeed. All these guys are ready for it.

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Speaker 2: The biggest challenge is going to be what they're seeing

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Speaker 2: over the back end. Yeah, that's going to be the

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Speaker 2: challenge winning those opportunities. But in terms of that atmosphere

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Speaker 1: When I think back to SAMAI two Ray's rookie season,

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Speaker 1: I think of two plays I think of that. I

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Speaker 1: think of that touchdown catch in Buffalo which actually occurred

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Speaker 1: Well one we get to see, yeah, where the press

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Speaker 1: And then the fourth down catch in Detroit that that

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Speaker 1: you know, didn't have many, but he had some big

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Speaker 1: want to get to our keys to victory, as we

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna break down the fourth wall really quickly here.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to welcome people into our world. On Fridays,

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Speaker 2: occasionally we get free lunches. It's a real big boom,

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Speaker 2: you know. For me. Yeah, I used to when I

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Speaker 2: worked in the newspaper, used to get pizza on election night.

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Speaker 2: But it's neat on Fridays, we get free lunches every

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Speaker 2: once in a while. Mike, you've worked here now for

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Speaker 2: fifteen years. Has there been a greater advindition?

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Speaker 1: Actually? But who's who's counting?

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Speaker 2: Who's counting? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think in pension terms, it's like, well, as long

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Speaker 2: as you hit the pension.

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Speaker 1: You're get to fifteen years. We're good, right, But.

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Speaker 2: In all your time working here, has there been a

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Speaker 2: better addition to the Friday lunch schedule than cousin subs?

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll take it any I'll take it any time

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Speaker 1: they can come. They don't just have to come on Fridays.

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Speaker 1: All right, Keys to victory? Young man? Where does I'll

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Speaker 2: we can make him a viable threat against this defense? Certainly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you think of the preseason, Mike, obviously

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Speaker 2: gonna be opportunities to get sacks, There's gonna be opportunities

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other key defensively in this game for

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Speaker 2: When you said all those words there, when you talked

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Speaker 2: I think that's why DJ Moore so excited about this opportunity.

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Speaker 2: You know, he probably got more preseason reps this year

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Speaker 2: than he's gotten maybe ever, thinking that twenty twenty there

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Speaker 2: was no preseason right rookie season when he might have

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Speaker 2: been more in line for something like that. So he

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Speaker 2: feels like that was actually good to kind of get

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Speaker 2: that wear and tear on him a little bit and

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Speaker 2: feeling good right now, but being able to at least

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Speaker 2: get some of those bumps in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he ran the ball hard, but let's be honest, Mike.

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Speaker 2: We can talk misdirection, we can talk concepts, we can

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Speaker 2: talk scheme, whatever you want to do. There's two things

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Speaker 2: that this boils down to for the Packers offense, protecting

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Speaker 2: the football and penalties. Matt Lafleur's teams excel in both areas.

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Speaker 2: When they win football games, they win the turnover margin,

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Speaker 2: they play clean football, staying out of unfavorable situations. That's

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Speaker 2: going to be allow you to keep running the ball right,

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Speaker 2: making sure that you don't give up the ball, and

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Speaker 2: in favorable situations for your defense. Those are all gonna

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Speaker 2: be the keys to this thing. And I feel like

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Speaker 2: if Jordan Love in this scheme they can go in there.

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Speaker 2: This is going to sound really bad, but punting is

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Speaker 2: not always the worst thing. And I just feel like

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Speaker 2: if Green Bay can control the field, position, control the

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Speaker 2: pace of this game, they are the more talented team.

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Speaker 2: It's just making sure you eliminate as many mistakes as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you mentioned the twenty nineteen opener, Matt Lafleur's

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Speaker 1: first game as head coach. That was at Soldier Field

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Speaker 1: and was that defensive slugfest. Ten to three was the

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Speaker 1: final score. The Packers did just find protecting the football

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Speaker 1: in that game, but that entire game they were behind

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Speaker 1: the sticks offensively. It was whether it was you know,

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Speaker 1: you have to stay away from because they only scored

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Speaker 1: ten points in that game because of a lot of

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Speaker 1: self inflicted stuff that just they put themselves in positions

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Speaker 1: that were really really hard to convert, but the defense

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Speaker 1: So you know, Matt Lafleur knows all about that experience

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Speaker 1: in in a week one game at Soldier Field, and

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Speaker 1: that's what they'll be looking to avoid. For me, the

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious to see just you know, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: it earlier, what's known as the Pony package, which is

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Speaker 1: when both aj Dillon and Aaron Jones are on the

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Speaker 1: field together with the situation now at wide receiver, what

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Speaker 1: might we see in the in the creative realm from

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Speaker 1: Matt lafleur from offensive coordinator Adam Stenovich with regard to

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Speaker 1: the running backs and how they're used in this game.

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Speaker 1: You know, I guess color me curious as to as

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Speaker 1: to maybe what, you know, what might be you know,

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Speaker 1: pulled out of that grab bag as they get ready

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Speaker 1: to play on Sunday, just in case they need something

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Speaker 1: for a little change up or something for a little

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Speaker 1: that they're going to go to, I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: involve one of the running backs.

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Speaker 2: Do you see what Atlanta's doing down right, what they're

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Speaker 2: doing this year? No, so they're calling Corterell Patterson a

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Speaker 2: joker now in b Jhon Robinson's the starting running back. Okay, so,

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Speaker 2: but they're given it's almost kind of a takeoff Pony

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but using it more as like the

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Speaker 2: base personnel on a depth chart, so to speak. I

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Speaker 2: feel like, that's one of the things that Green Bay

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Speaker 2: really can to do. You know I want to see

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Speaker 2: more of this year is let's get as creative as

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Speaker 2: possible with Aaron Jones. Let's get him catching passes, Let's

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Speaker 2: get him out of the backfield, let's get him on

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Speaker 2: bubble screens, Let's do all that stuff. And have you

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Speaker 2: know AJ Dillon as your prototypical starting running back. Sure,

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see what those two guys can

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Speaker 2: do off each other. There's gonna be some pre pre

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Speaker 2: snap action motion, you know, with Red or with Jones,

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Speaker 2: and being able just to challenge the eyes of a

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Speaker 2: defense I think is going to be really important because ultimately,

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Speaker 2: that's what it comes down to. Yes, you want to

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Speaker 2: get your best eleven players on the field, but it's

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Speaker 2: how can we use two hundred and eight pound five

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Speaker 2: foot nine Aaron Jones in six foot whatever, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty seven pound AJ Dillon. How can we use

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Speaker 2: this to kind of confuse a defense and give them

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Speaker 2: multiple looks and not sure what they're going to see

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Speaker 2: on any given play. That's what I think ultimately can

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Speaker 2: be the biggest thing because whether or not Dobbs and

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Speaker 2: Watson played in this game. It still comes back to

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Speaker 2: your veteran leadership and the big thing I've been hitting

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Speaker 2: on Mike day after day. You're probably getting sick of

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Speaker 2: me saying it is the Packers have veteran experience where

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Speaker 2: they need it most in the backfield and on the

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Speaker 2: offensive line, and I'm really excited to see what they

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Speaker 2: can do with it. Like this could really be a

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Speaker 2: Krem Da La Crem type season for Aaron Jones, just

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Speaker 2: if he stays healthy. Just open the box of tricks. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I did a little bit of research in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: and if I'm remembering my own statistics right, I believe

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Speaker 1: it's only been five or six times in the Packers'

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Speaker 1: last thirty some games that Boktiari and Jenkins have lined

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Speaker 1: up side by side, like just a half dozen times

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Speaker 1: out basically out of the last two seasons. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four games, whatever it's been. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that week one, that's what we're going to see

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Speaker 1: and you hope that you're going to see that on

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Speaker 1: a weekly basis, that's gonna be big for.

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Speaker 2: This off Tip of the cap to Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 2: Christian Watson all the guys at the end of last season.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a coincidence that that's how

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Speaker 2: Green Bay got on the run late in the season,

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Speaker 2: that Boktiari and Jenkins were mostly solidified in those two spots.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, with that, we will call it a

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Speaker 1: rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team and all

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Speaker 1: of our coverage of Sunday's Week one season opener from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: We will have it all for you on Packers dot

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Speaker 1: com for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning

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