WEBVTT - Top 8 BobbyCast Interviews of 2021 (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to the Top eight Bobby Cast

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<v Speaker 1>Interviews of one, Part two. I am like the producer

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bobby Cast and Bobby and I have hands

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<v Speaker 1>selected the best interviews we did this year. This is

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<v Speaker 1>part two. So if you missed part one, just go

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<v Speaker 1>back an episode and check that out, or if you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to hear the top four, you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place because these are the best interviews we did

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bobby Cast this year. And this is based

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<v Speaker 1>on episode downloads, reaction we had on social media. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'll count these down, give you some behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>that went into recording these episodes and what I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to do as a producer of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get right into it. At number four, we went

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<v Speaker 1>with Jimmy Allen. Now, we had Jimmy Allen back on

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<v Speaker 1>in before he ever had a number one. And Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the nicest people in country music, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a very busy guy. And this was before Dancing

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<v Speaker 1>with the Stars this year, before winning Best New Artists.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I love about Jimmy is that he always

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<v Speaker 1>comes in with the best stories right when he sits down.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby asked him one question and it immediately leads to

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<v Speaker 1>a great conversation and we had so many tweets and

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<v Speaker 1>d M when this episode came out. So at number

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<v Speaker 1>four is Jimmy Allen here with Jimmy Allen, which I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at some of the track listing for for

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<v Speaker 1>Betty James. And I'm always curious at the process and

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<v Speaker 1>asking people much cooler than yourself, no no offense, much

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<v Speaker 1>cooler than yourself to do something with you, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to ask people cooler, way cooler than me

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<v Speaker 1>to do stuff with me. And I'm always a little

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<v Speaker 1>weird about it. How do you ask, for example, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do the song. Now, you and Brad Paisley, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a song together, that's the song out of Radio Freedom

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<v Speaker 1>was a Highway? How does that ask go? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Or did your people do it? Man? So

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of did on myself. It kind of happened

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<v Speaker 1>because I was Brad It text me one night it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, I have to play the operating Night.

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<v Speaker 1>Come by the house. He said, Darius is coming and

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<v Speaker 1>he said Bill Shatners here. I was like, that was

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Shatnan. Well, she's like William shatn I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people in my age we know him from

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<v Speaker 1>Unsolved Mysteries. I didn't know who. I've never heard him

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<v Speaker 1>called Bill Shatter before. So I went over there and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I get there. Tim girls outside peeing out in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. So we go in, UM and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking to me, Tim, Brad and Darius and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here looking like how'd I get in this room?

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<v Speaker 1>How much money? These these are worth a lot? So

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<v Speaker 1>then we grab the guitars and start playing Ntim was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>we should do a song together. He said, Jimmy, here's

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<v Speaker 1>my number, text me to do a song. I was like, now, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the dude that if you give me your number

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<v Speaker 1>and you say text me to do something, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to text you. So I went to l a like

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<v Speaker 1>two days after that and I wrote made for These

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<v Speaker 1>um and I sent texted to Tim, was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about the song? He's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Let's do it. Then Brad I text

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<v Speaker 1>had Freedom written like a year and a half before that. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I really with Ash and I'm gonna Matt Matt Rogers

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like I love it. I was like perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Darrison Charlie song. Man. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>another song I wanted to do with Darrison Charlie Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like a drinking song. And there's like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't have the first song we do with Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Bride a drinking song. I was like a point. So

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<v Speaker 1>the day after Kobe died, Um, I was writing it

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<v Speaker 1>was me my bass player, take how Um, who was

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<v Speaker 1>my first signing to my publishing company. He's Dope Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Karry barl on Brandon Day. We wrote it the day

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<v Speaker 1>after Kobe died and just think about life, man, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like life throw stuff at you, Like Kobe was probably

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most motivated people I ever knew. Like

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<v Speaker 1>every conversation I had with Kobe, I just left feeling

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<v Speaker 1>more motivated, Like you know what, can't I do what

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<v Speaker 1>people say I can't do, I gotta go do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what kind of how that song came about.

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<v Speaker 1>So I called Charlie UM, gave it to Darius and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like yeah, um, so that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>that comes. I just reached out to everybody, and after

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<v Speaker 1>I got everybody's yes that, I called the labels like hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm this COLLABYP already got the artist. They all said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of did the work before even when what

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<v Speaker 1>about Nellie um Nellie? He was in town. I saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking the same building I was walking to

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<v Speaker 1>for me and he was walking out. I text my manager, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>Nellie is in town. You find out why? He was like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so he finds out what knows in towns in town, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he said, hey, Nelly, correct with you to

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<v Speaker 1>night at nine. But we wrote there like two thousand nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had a show the next day in Minnesota's

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<v Speaker 1>all right, It's a hard decision to stand right with

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<v Speaker 1>Nelly or do I get on the tour bus because

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<v Speaker 1>me and my band, we hang out on the tour bus.

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<v Speaker 1>We play PlayStations, So don't play PlayStations right with Nelly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote with and then I just flew the

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota the next day. That's how that one worked. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>so that I was gonna play some of Made for

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<v Speaker 1>These which is you and McGraw, like, play me a

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<v Speaker 1>clip of this those days. So if tim were two cent,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm assuming you guys did not record them at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, right, Like, he went and did his thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sent it back to you. If you would

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<v Speaker 1>have said something back that wasn't your vision and heck

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't love would you have said, can we cut

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<v Speaker 1>this a little different? Or oh you what? Yeh? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like when you're creating music and you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be the best and um, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times people work with legends and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that and they just like like, Okay, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>take it because they're on it. But I still want

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<v Speaker 1>to be good, you know, I mean, and knowing Tim's capability,

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<v Speaker 1>like he killed that. So I remember Tim told me said, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna make me like sing for real on this song.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, because you're singing for real, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>to sing for real. He killed it like he did

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. But yeah, if I didn't feel it was

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<v Speaker 1>done right, you know what I mean, like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 1>you mind redoing this part or we're doing that? Thing

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<v Speaker 1>you can say is no or screw you. But he

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<v Speaker 1>killed it, and I think you would say no or

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<v Speaker 1>screw you if he didn't. Feel like, I think people

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna kill me if I don't follow up on

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<v Speaker 1>you saying the times that you've spoken with Kobe, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you meet Kobe Bryant. Man, I met Kobe at

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<v Speaker 1>a Lakers game backstage. Uh well, and like round in

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room area and just shucks. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>was a game when he was playing, or after he retired,

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<v Speaker 1>he plan his plan. Um. I think it was two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and Chucks Swimming Kobe two. That was on five No.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand six or twous that long ago. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you get in the locker room in two thousand and six? Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you something about me. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>sneak in a lot of places, bro. Like I've snuck

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<v Speaker 1>in the Grammy parties. I've snuck into Seasick Awards. I

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<v Speaker 1>snuck into the Seamaze before if I got a record deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is the thing. When you're a black guy

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<v Speaker 1>with cowboy boots on and a leather jacket and you

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<v Speaker 1>act like you know where you're going, nobody stops you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was sitting, Um, I was sitting like four

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<v Speaker 1>rows up behind the Lakers bench, and I saw people

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<v Speaker 1>just going backstage and get drinks. So I had a

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<v Speaker 1>cover in my hand and I just followed another group

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<v Speaker 1>of black guys. I think they were like rappers or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but nobody stopped me. Then I was

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<v Speaker 1>back there just hanging out, act like I'm on my

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<v Speaker 1>phone talking. Kobe walked by said hey, what's up to him?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you say? Hey, what's up to him?

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<v Speaker 1>Just walking by though, Like I was like, col what up?

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you, bro, Act like I knew he said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up? Man? He was like, he's like, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Jimmy. Then again, because he thinks he probably

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<v Speaker 1>met you at some point exactly, so I saw him there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I saw him in a few events before we bumped.

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<v Speaker 1>We bumped into each other, like I think i've We've

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<v Speaker 1>had about over fifty conversations. Did you ever get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where you guys just saw each It was

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<v Speaker 1>like Jimmy Kobe, Oh yeah, I got to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it after you had started to get heat or

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<v Speaker 1>get success that it was a bit of a peer

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<v Speaker 1>to peer we're both then, Nah, it was more just

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<v Speaker 1>he saw me everywhere, like at different events he was

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<v Speaker 1>at in l A. I was there a couple events

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<v Speaker 1>in Miami he was there. I was there, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>used to like purposely put myself in places to meet

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<v Speaker 1>people because I feel like, if you want to be successful,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta surround yourself with successful people. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>was killing myself when I first moved to town and

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<v Speaker 1>move to Brentwood, because I knew most people lived in Brentwood's.

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<v Speaker 1>I ran into people at the gym, the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 1>at restaurants and I'll just talk to him. I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching you playing one of the celebrity Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think they had an All Star Game

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<v Speaker 1>last year, but the year before, were you playing in

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<v Speaker 1>the Celebrity All Star Game? Now, I was Kane. I

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<v Speaker 1>played in the Celebrity Game a few year. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>you a few years ago. All my years are done. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everything it was. It was a monster. It was just monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Inc celebrity game I did with Floyd Mayweather and like

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<v Speaker 1>t O and Gronk and all of them. Yeah, all

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<v Speaker 1>the celebrity games to me are the same, And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the difference than I just remember seeing you

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<v Speaker 1>play and I was like, dang, who was the best

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity basketball player on the court that night? Tar okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but he played what Tennessee State? Yeah, yeah he was good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a college basketball Remove him. Remove anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>played basketball at a high level. I'll ask you this,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the best celebrity basketball player you've played with

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<v Speaker 1>or against that wasn't a ball player, that wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>ball player. Probably Matt Stough. I beat him out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt still can turns it on. I tell you this, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I only beat him because we were shooting, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>six six and plays like a guard, which is incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>When Matt turns it on, he can hoop, Kane can hoop.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think I'm better than both of them, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh do you guys get competitive when you're with each

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<v Speaker 1>other to the point where it'll get a bit chippy

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<v Speaker 1>at times? Not really chippy, because you know, we're like

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<v Speaker 1>we're out here playing, but at some point in the

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<v Speaker 1>game we both want to win. So it's like when

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<v Speaker 1>the game kind of gets close, well, you'll see people

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<v Speaker 1>like really turning up, guys that love ball and like

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<v Speaker 1>playball and competitive whether it's good or not. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of turns it up a little bit. Even Gator turns

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Yeah, Gators competitive hustle. I called him, like

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<v Speaker 1>I say, he's an undersized white Dennis Rodman, an undersized

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<v Speaker 1>white Dennis Rotten. Dude rebounds like nobody ever seen before,

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<v Speaker 1>and his energy is crazy, crazy, scrappy. He's the type

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<v Speaker 1>a person you want on your team. He's oddly a

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<v Speaker 1>really good athlete, and I think he's goes to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>now something like that. There's least seventy two for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the Disney kick about? Because every time on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>not not recently, you've been pandemic though I've seen about

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<v Speaker 1>five times a couple of days ago. I'm going again,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the deal? What's the what's that rooted in? So

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<v Speaker 1>I fell in love with walk I told you, like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that's motivated that comes from nothing I look up to,

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<v Speaker 1>that goes to you. Kevin Hart Walt Disney like, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy had his first character Oswald, stolen, came back, had nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>took loans out, bet on himself, created Mickey who he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to name Morti murder Mouse. I'm glad they wouldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just showed that, man, you bet on yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>You worked your butt off. Um you you continue to

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<v Speaker 1>work even in the face of no and officially you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get where you want to go. So for me, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the first thing I was attracted to who walk

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<v Speaker 1>was like his determination. And then um, my family started

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<v Speaker 1>going as the last place me and my grandma went

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<v Speaker 1>before she died. Um, they had my daughter's baby reveale there.

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<v Speaker 1>I got engaged there. Um, so something that's been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of my family for a long time. So I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. What do you do when you go? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you riding rides or are you there are certain experiences

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<v Speaker 1>that you like to hit a certain times. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I always do is go to Magic Kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta set the mood right, you know. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>ride a Cansul of Progress. I'm a classic Disney fan. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'll take a day, we'll do the VPP tours.

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<v Speaker 1>We could just jump to the front of lines, just

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<v Speaker 1>ride rides. After that, man, we chilled. Go to Animal Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 1>walk around, um, go to Epcot, eat, drink, hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>They got different festivals that they have come to me,

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<v Speaker 1>like right now is Flowering Garden to light July three?

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<v Speaker 1>And after that they got he knows the whole calendar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then after that they got uh food and wine.

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<v Speaker 1>So like they have they have all their countries, but

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<v Speaker 1>then they bring in other countries to they have different

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<v Speaker 1>food stuff so and I love food. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I never got to go to Disney as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we didn't even go on vacation, but went

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<v Speaker 1>first time to DOT in twelve, but Win was an adult. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I went for the first time an adult too.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I remember, since I worked for ABC and

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<v Speaker 1>Disney owns ABC. We were after a shoot one day

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy comes up and goes, hey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Disney whenever you want and v I

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<v Speaker 1>P Like, they give you a guide and you can go,

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<v Speaker 1>and like they'll hook you up. And I was like really,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, why never? I never been. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then he said it's gonna ruin you because if you

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<v Speaker 1>go and we send you with the Disney v I P,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna cut every line. But you should do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was out and we were shooting Idol and

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<v Speaker 1>had a day off, which is very rare out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I go, and you know, the the woman

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<v Speaker 1>shows up. She doesn't like the plaid scard and she

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<v Speaker 1>knows the history and you're finding the little Mickey Mouse

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<v Speaker 1>is all over and I'm like a wide eyed kid

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<v Speaker 1>because I've never been before. And so I started to

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<v Speaker 1>feel guilty because it's a Saturday and we were cutting

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half hour lines. We're just walking around people.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't feel so guilty. I stopped. I felt guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still would still go to the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the line. It was hard, and you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to sweat. So we get there and she says

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<v Speaker 1>to me, she goes, hey, we're gonna walk with another

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<v Speaker 1>group of v I P people. We're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>little side under trail. And she's like, um, just disney

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<v Speaker 1>Land and l A, this is Disneyland, and she says,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna take this whole trip. Um, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. You're gonna run in some people. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were listen, I'm not famous, but they're so true, No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not. But they're so worried about people bothering

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<v Speaker 1>famous people. And she's like, don't worry about anybody you're

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<v Speaker 1>near is going to be you know, someone who's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna bother you. And I'm like, all right, and worried

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<v Speaker 1>about that anyway, but okay. So we go down and

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<v Speaker 1>there's this small lady long hair, and she's up ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of me and she's just kind of bee bopping around

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy. And I walked up beside her

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<v Speaker 1>and she's gonna get ripped clothes on, ripped jeans, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just walking on a look over and that small

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<v Speaker 1>older lady with Steven Tyler, who who I had met

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times when he was in town and

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely nice and when I was an idol, was

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<v Speaker 1>he you went during that that him Randy and j Lo.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he was so nice to me here, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to bother him or expect Steven Tyler of

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<v Speaker 1>Aerosmith to remember me. So so we're walking beside she goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what what's happening to man? You just see something? Guy?

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<v Speaker 1>You have a guy walking? Next time? I'm like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? And he goes Bobby B And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, are you kidding me? Steven Tyler recognizes me

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<v Speaker 1>at Disney World with no prompt whatsoever. So my Disney

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<v Speaker 1>experience was pretty good too, And Steven Tyler was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you going to Disney World in Florida? Yet I

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<v Speaker 1>went and had dinner there because I had a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who now works at Apple Michael Bryan, who had programmed

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<v Speaker 1>there before, and he was like, hey, I'll get you

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<v Speaker 1>into that the greatest food place. But I haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>all the park stuff there. See we do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to My problem was in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve, I like, work three jobs and saved up

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<v Speaker 1>enough and I took my mom and two of my sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>We went um. But then I went to Disneyland after that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Disneyland is so small compared to disney World. And

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<v Speaker 1>now I remember we were just there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, a week ago, and we got to v

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Tour again, and then they have two sets of

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Toys. They have some rep toys where you getting

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<v Speaker 1>the fast past lane and if you're a quote unquote celebrity,

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<v Speaker 1>they take you around the back through the exit and

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<v Speaker 1>you literally just hop straight on the ride. And I

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<v Speaker 1>felt so bad. I'm looking at these lines that are

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<v Speaker 1>like two and a half hours, little kids out there

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<v Speaker 1>waiting and sweating. But I didn't feel bad, you know why,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've waited in lines before. When I first was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you got this, kid, you work hard, man, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>here too. You got this. You're giving the kids that

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe talked there two hours back in line man, hanging there,

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<v Speaker 1>you do anything? You got this, I've waited in my

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<v Speaker 1>lines with three hours. You once turned down a record

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<v Speaker 1>deal from a label in l A that I read

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna give you over a million dollars advance? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that true now? Because did they want you to be

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<v Speaker 1>a different kind of artist and you wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>or was it terms of the deal and both terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the deal and the artists They wanted me in

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<v Speaker 1>my band to be kind of like a hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>version of One Republic. Um. So I wear when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not performing and I'm wearing sweats and sneakers all day,

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<v Speaker 1>but on stage, I love my boots. Um, I love

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<v Speaker 1>my jeans. Uh. They told me they didn't want me

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<v Speaker 1>to dip. I had had my dip. Can they want

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<v Speaker 1>the songs to be more hip hop influenced to where

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<v Speaker 1>I love? I do love hip hop. I include hip hop,

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<v Speaker 1>R and b rock and all that stuff in my

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<v Speaker 1>music now, but it's it's intentional where I placed, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to just be heavy hip hop loop um, no

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<v Speaker 1>no live bands, none of that. So I was just

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<v Speaker 1>like h and then with that, with that advance, I

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<v Speaker 1>still had to take my money for myself out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then my band, and then I had to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh pay for my first album with that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>then you got taxes, and then so when it really

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<v Speaker 1>dwindles down, then you gotta pay it back. Right the

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<v Speaker 1>word advances where it's at, it's a loan, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me it was just like nah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, it really just came down to music

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<v Speaker 1>and creativity and kind of what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Um, I have a what other people see

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, I kind of a vision kind of

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<v Speaker 1>for like my life, music, TV, film, radio, all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So if something doesn't align with my vision, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how great the opportunity might seem to someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not for me, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it hard to and I could probably understand and

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<v Speaker 1>have empathy for the situation for you, Is it hard

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<v Speaker 1>now growing up with nothing to turn down really great

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<v Speaker 1>paying opportunities because they're right on the fence of feeling

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<v Speaker 1>right or just chasing the money. Man, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>turn it down sometimes. Um But I feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>can devalue yourself a lot of times and just saying

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<v Speaker 1>yes to everything, um, no matter how big the money is,

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<v Speaker 1>because no, every every time you sign on to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>you're giving a piece of yourself away. So my thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>if I give a piece of myself away, is it

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<v Speaker 1>worth it? You know what I mean? Does it align

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<v Speaker 1>with my vision? Um? Career? Does align with my vision

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<v Speaker 1>as a as a person? Like morally? Does it align

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<v Speaker 1>with with what I want to do? But so what

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do musically? Like? What right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you in your head and what you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do musically? Not even close? Um? I want to

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<v Speaker 1>want to continue to put music out, you know more.

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<v Speaker 1>My plan is hopefully one day be able to headline

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<v Speaker 1>arenas Um. But to me, that's a piece of it.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the kind of music you're making? Oh? I

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<v Speaker 1>love the kind of music I'm making? Um? At some point, um,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing me, I would probably do uh like a straight

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<v Speaker 1>just like Latin slash reggae album. At some points I

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<v Speaker 1>love Latin music. Um, I'll um uh where does that

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<v Speaker 1>come from? Where does this? Where does the love of

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<v Speaker 1>Latin music come from? In your life? Growing up at

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<v Speaker 1>kid in Delaware, man, I listened to everything like my

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<v Speaker 1>dad only listen to country, and my mom won't listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Christian, But I listen to everything growing up, Latin music,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, blues, rock, hip hop, R and B, jazz, classical, Um, Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do a full on musical theater album,

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve songs and songs that were being a play. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love it. So that's why I like two.

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<v Speaker 1>My planning to take four months off, go to New

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<v Speaker 1>York the Browers show, Uh do that we're working on

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<v Speaker 1>some TV movies. Go to New York and do a

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway show. What do you mean do? Like like Jennifer Nettles,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they go up and they're just a part

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<v Speaker 1>of a show and they live up there, part of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. So I'll take four months. My plan is

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<v Speaker 1>to be Aarin Burr in Hamilton's. Um did they know

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<v Speaker 1>that yet? Uh, they're they're about to. Uh U t

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<v Speaker 1>A is working on that right now. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take four months off, just gonna be a special

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<v Speaker 1>guest Aaron Burr. Listen, I know you stay off. I

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<v Speaker 1>got friends on Broadway. That's opposite off. Yeah, no it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I mean off from touring. Yeah, it's eight shows

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<v Speaker 1>in six days. Yeah, it's right, it's a it is

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<v Speaker 1>a run. That's cool. Listen. I think sometimes people get

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated when they see people that want to do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different things because they think people are only

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<v Speaker 1>able to do a few things. Well, do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like your labels like at times? Because I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you at times my radio company has been like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you doing TV projects? Why are you touring?

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<v Speaker 1>Stand up? Like, how are you able to put all

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<v Speaker 1>of your effort into radio if you're doing these other things?

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<v Speaker 1>And what people don't understand, it's all about expanding the brand.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, it's about filling my cup. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>better at everything. If I feel good. Like one of

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 1>my buds, i'd call him a friend. Dion Sanders always says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good,

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<v Speaker 1>you play good. If you play good, they pay good exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I'm doing things that I love, I'm better

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<v Speaker 1>at all the things that I'm doing because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>more fulfilled. I just wonder if you've got any pushback

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<v Speaker 1>from your people, and I have. You know, I've gotten

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 1>some pushback for me before, Like I remember when I

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<v Speaker 1>was writing this kid's book, comes out July thirte By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, come my voice is a trumpet. Um. They

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<v Speaker 1>were concerned about that, Well, how is it gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>time to write? I'm fine with with music, you know. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>like the TV and film I want to do, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's a show I can't say it yet,

0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.360
<v Speaker 1>but I'm musical director now for this new Netflix show

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that comes out this year. Um from doing that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing radio, TV spots whatever. But for me, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like I have to do everything I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't, I will go insane Because I tell people,

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<v Speaker 1>being a touring country artist is just a piece what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do, not everything. Now there's some people

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<v Speaker 1>like that's it for them. They just wanna you know,

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<v Speaker 1>write country songs, have songs on radio and tour. That's

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<v Speaker 1>great for them. But for me, it's not. It doesn't matter.

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I could win every c M A every a CM

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<v Speaker 1>have number ones out of number one, selling out of

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<v Speaker 1>readers across the world. I still wouldn't be happy because

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<v Speaker 1>that's only a piece of what I want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And and again, like I

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<v Speaker 1>tell people, you have to do what's best for you.

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.480
<v Speaker 1>What's gonna feel you, you know, and half the people

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 1>tell them me that I shouldn't do it. Are also

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<v Speaker 1>people to grow up in two parent homes with money

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid. All right, listen, I'm gonna let you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you coming. By way. We haven't done this

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<v Speaker 1>since the very beginning. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a very very beginning. You came to the other place

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<v Speaker 1>and we did it upstairs, and I got the calls

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be on it. I was like, hey, yeah, let's

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>goes like it's been a while. I appreciate that. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you just in general. I think you're great for Nashville,

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<v Speaker 1>just what you stand for. And there's not even country

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.879
<v Speaker 1>music artists, but to show people, listen, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to just do one thing. If you don't just want

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to do one thing, you can specialize if you want.

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>You can specialize in a lot of things if you

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<v Speaker 1>want facts. So let's go, all right, Jimmy Allen at

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Alan. There you go. Moving on to number three,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going with Scott's staff of Creed. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is hands down one of the coolest interviews we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever done. And Bobby and I were both super excited

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>about it, and as a producer of this podcast, I

0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 1>rarely get nervous about guests. I've had the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>meet everybody in country music to the point to where

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just somebody coming in for an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>You're I'm focused more on what's going to happen once

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they sit down, that everything's perfect in line. The actual

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 1>them coming into the studio doesn't make me nervous at all. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was sitting across from Scott's staff, it made

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<v Speaker 1>me nervous. And this one was so good, Like I

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>was so just in it. When we were recording it,

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>I was worried something was gonna go wrong with the audio.

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna lose the file. I think I was

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<v Speaker 1>so relieved when it was over. I hit stop and

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 1>saved this episode because I was like, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest things that ever happened in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. It was also the one that probably

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<v Speaker 1>took the longest to book. Usually we booked all of

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.120
<v Speaker 1>our guests at the beginning of the month. With this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like three months out where we

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<v Speaker 1>had to book Scott's staff. We're trying to get him

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio show. We're trying to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and perform, and then we finally settled, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think was the best option of having given them

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast because we're able to sit down for

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and talk about literally everything. So this was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>At number three is Scott's staff the lead singer of Creed. Alright, well,

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it's Scott's staff of Creed. And most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>when friends come over, their friends and their buddies and

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, let's do this because they're promoting something

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.159
<v Speaker 1>or or it's it's a fun conversation, But rarely do

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I get to have someone in that I have been

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 1>a genuine fan of for twenty years, and so like,

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful that you took the time to come over

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<v Speaker 1>here and hang out and let me talk with you,

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>because again, I'm a fan and it's rare for me

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to get to talk to someone in that capacity. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. That means a lot, bro, thank you, and

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it's awesome to be here. Good times. I was kind

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of looking back at some of the older um in

0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 1>our younger days. Whenever you guys got together and there's

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a big Florida State presence in the band because that's

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>where you you guys met to begin with. Right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you go to Florida State, And what was your

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<v Speaker 1>idea when you go to college? Like, what did you

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.120
<v Speaker 1>want to be when you have to Florida State Because

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't go to Florida State to

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<v Speaker 1>go I want to be in a band and be

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<v Speaker 1>a big star. Right. Well, I mean, I'll be honest

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 1>with you. The only reason that I left Orlando to

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>go to Tallahassee, uh and to end up going to

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.159
<v Speaker 1>school at Florida State, it was because I was reading

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a biography about The Doors and read that Jim Morrison,

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>whom I was a huge fan of and a huge

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.400
<v Speaker 1>fan of The Doors, I went to Florida State, and

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<v Speaker 1>in my naive, uh nineteen eighteen or nineteen year old

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>mind at the time, I thought, well, hey, I mean

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>that that's just the way that that you meet music

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<v Speaker 1>and start a band and it yeah, And so I

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>went there with the specific goal of meeting musicians to

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>start a band. Uh. And that was that was the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have the major? Well? I did, um, it

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>was communications and minor in English and uh. And like

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I had like three or four miners because

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I kept changing my major, Like I think it started

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>out as like philosophy and and uh, you know, and

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and you know, so I got a lot of miners

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.639
<v Speaker 1>and and and you know. My backup plan, which I

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't really focus on too much, was I was going

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>to go to law school. Uh and uh and do that.

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>And you've written massive songs of the crew basically everything.

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.959
<v Speaker 1>How I have songwriter friends women do with their whole life.

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>I have written hit and they're really good. You hadn't

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>done it at all. And then you started writing songs

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and you have so many, Like how easily or was

0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>it not easy for you to start writing songs and

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<v Speaker 1>actually were good catchy songs hooks, you know. I think

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I think we wrote probably seven or eight songs that,

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, in trying to find our sound. And then

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>we wrote a song called Grip My Soul, which never

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>made a record, should have, but it didn't make the record.

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>We didn't record it, or maybe we did record it,

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>but it didn't make the record. That might have been

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>our eighth or ninth song. And I remember when we

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>wrote that song, we all looked at each other and

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Mark and I specifically and we're like, okay, we got it.

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>We figured this is it. We figured it out, and

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>from that moment on, uh, what you hear on my

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 1>prison was written. We I mean literally only probably once

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>we figured out what our sound was from Grip my

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>soul to what was recorded on my own prison. Um.

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean we probably only wrote fourteen songs and and

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<v Speaker 1>total since Mark and I were together, maybe twenty songs,

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>which is a very low number. For those were the

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<v Speaker 1>first twenty songs I had ever written in my life.

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's my point exactly. Like I have friends that

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>have been doing it for twenty years. They wrote they

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>write sixty songs for a record. Now. The only thing

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I can think of, man, is that that you know,

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the the artist that I listened to, you know, being

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>YouTube also you know growing up listening uh, you know,

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that was allowed in my home growing

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:29.479
<v Speaker 1>up was was Christian rock or Christian artists. Um. And

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>so you know, I would listen to a lot of

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>Takes six and I think that's who taught me how

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>to sing, because I would sing along with those records

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and sing every vocal part on that record. And then

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.439
<v Speaker 1>d C Talk, which is became just between which became

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>which became Toby mac Um that was allowed in my house.

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 1>And and then you toube because the same thing that

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>people ended up doing with Creed, that we're in Christian

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>homes saying wait, wait there, Christian band, mom and dad,

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>even though Creed wasn't an official Christian band. Just you

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Too is not a Christian band, but Bono is a

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Christian um And so I snuck Josh Retreat, got it

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>into my house and was able to listen to that

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>by telling my parents that they were a Christian band.

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 1>But I think those those bands that I listened to

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>growing up. Stryper was another one. Uh that was was

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a jam uh in my house. But I think all

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that was just imprinted in my brain. I think song

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>structure and how to write songs based on those records

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 1>was just imprinted in my brain. Mark the same way

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Mark was, He was much more. He was much different

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>than me, and that Mark knew what he wanted to

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>do when he was probably ten or eleven years old.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Mark knew he wanted to be in a rock band,

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.719
<v Speaker 1>play guitar and write songs and be a singer and

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>a guitar player. He knew Um at least that that's

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>how I recall it. And so he he he, he

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>knew all these bands that I had never heard of.

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>He he learned all you know, he probably knew hundreds

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and hundreds of songs on guitar, you know, by learning

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>him on tab and and just listening and playing them.

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So of course that taught him song structure and and

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>taught him. So I think me just just hearing that

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>in him, I think we just inherently new structure and

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>how to put a song together, um and and and

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>then it just came out once we got together. We

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't think too much about it. We never sat down

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and thought, um, let's write a radio song, or or

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>we need to do this. We we were just like, hey,

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that's the verse, that's the chorus, that's this. We never

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>we never put any pressure on ourselves. We just wrote

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>what made us feel good, because in the beginning we

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>were just playing for us. You know what I mean,

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>my own prison. I'm gonna play a few of these

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>hooks here here is actually my own prison. Whenever I

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>hear U saw from like when I mean like I

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like I felt, then music does that, Like when

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you hear a song that reminds you of a really

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>big part of your life. For a second, you feel

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>that part of your life again. And this record does

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>that to me? Is the record in general torn? Here's

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>a clip of Dorm What's This Life For? What's What?

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Which was a rock number one for you guys? Was

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>this a big separator for you guys? Did this one

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>turn you guys from a national known band to like

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>a whoa, here they come? I think, you know, My

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Own Prison went all four of our first singles went

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>number one at rock and I think it was a

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>build um And then you know my Own Prison was

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>our first video that was on MTV and v H one. UM.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>And then What's This Life For? I think was our

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>second video that was on MTV, n v H one,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and it was more of a It had more of

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a appeal to a wider audience. What's this Life Ford did?

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's when I felt other people were knowing

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>about you get because the edge Dallas, I would have

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a friend record, take a cassette tape because your kids

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>now don't know. You do record, play pause and you

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>undo pause, you record what's on the radio. And I

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>have a friend send it to me and he was like,

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>you gotta hear Creed What's This Life For? And I

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, I already been known about Creed, but I

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>felt like that song. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely think

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>that that just you know, expanded it even further. And

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the video had had a lot to do

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>do with that too, And I think it was it

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>was really palatable, um, you know, to a wider audience. Um.

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think we began to see our audience by

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>by the time What's This Life For? And then once one,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the song one became a single and and had its time,

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>our audience really expanded from and was a mix of

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>men and women. And initially it was just you know dudes, um,

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>based on our first two singles, you know, into heavy

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, heavy aggressive rock. But those two songs showed

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a different side of the band and began to really

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>open up our audience. Uh. And then you know the

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>next record, you know, with Higher and did you feel

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the rocket ship for the first record you make it?

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't spend a lot of money on it, but

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>you're hustling, right, You've got fake representatives going to record stores.

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you are in the hustle, right, do you

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>feel the rocket ship, or do you just realize, oh boy,

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>we're on it now. We expected it. We we were

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>so at least I did. I had this blind confidence

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and and I had these blinders on, and I just

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>thought that it was gonna happen. I just had such

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>belief in the music that we were creating. And then

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.959
<v Speaker 1>once we made the CD, and then once the record

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>label started coming down, I just thought that, Hey, here

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>it is. We're gonna be playing arenas soon. That's what happens.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what happens when you get a record deal and

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you get on the radio, you play arenas. That that's idea.

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that that was only the beginning,

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and and the chances of you you know, even making

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.239
<v Speaker 1>it past your first single were slim to none. You know,

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I was so naive. Um, But I think that was

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a that was actually a benefit to me at the time,

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>because it took away any fear or doubt or or

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>or anything that could stand in the way of of me, uh,

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, achieving uh and and giving what I needed

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>to give from my standpoint to make it happen. And

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was contagious, uh to the guys in

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the band um, and and we all just had this belief,

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>um in what we were doing and and uh we

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't We didn't think it would turn out any other way.

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>With you guys having your music already made and knowing

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>who you were as a band, did that make your

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>first deal easier to actually know what you wanted to

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>not get ripped off? Well, here here's another funny story

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>or not funny story. But we almost didn't have a

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>record deal. We had literally every major label interested, um,

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and then one by one they started bowing out. I

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Uh, they just they're interested, They're down, they're

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>talking with our managers, their meetings, they're talking with our

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>big New York lawyer that we had. Uh. They got

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody signed, uh you know, and one by one they

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>would bail. And then it came down to Atlantic Records,

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>uh and the two knicks uh that we were talking to,

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>and we were in their offices uh meetings, New York

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>back and we were ad percent sure that that, you know,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be Atlantic Records, and uh, you know,

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>negotiations were going on the whole nine yards. I think

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 1>they ended up signing a band instead of us called

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 1>Seven Mary three, right and uh, and so we were like,

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what are we gonna do? How was

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>everybody dropping? Do you do? You know, I have no idea?

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And uh then this little company never signed a band before. Ah.

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>A woman named Diana Meltzer and her husband Alan Meltzer.

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>They had just started a label called wind Up Records,

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and somehow, I think through our lawyer are Blue Collar

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Records c D got in Diana Meltzer's hands and she

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>heard it and she's was convinced that this She had

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to sign this band. She had to sign this band. Uh.

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So she told her husband Alan, I'm going to tell

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>hassee and I'm signing this band. Whether you come with

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>me or not. He came. He ended up listening to

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the c D. He loved it. They came. Um, you

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>know it was so funny. I remember looking in the

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>crowd and you know, there wasn't that many people there

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>at that particular time. Um, and they looked like they

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>were in the mafia. You know. There was there was

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>this little guy in an all black suit, you know,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>New York looking guy, and and his wife and all

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>black and and and we were like, whoa, who are

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>these two mafia people in the crowd and they were

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>standing in the center and they were just rocking out,

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh and then we our managers came

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>and said, uh, there's some record company folks that want

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to meet with you guys afterwards. So we went to

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 1>this bar next door and it had like a rooftop bar,

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>and we went up there and we talked and and

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>they said, we want to sign you. And this is

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>right after we had, you know, been basically passed on

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>by everybody else, and we had no other option. Uh.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>And in looking back, it was the greatest thing that

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>could ever happen to us, because this man was a

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>very successful businessman and he was starting a new business

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and we got all the attention from his company, and

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>he did not want to fail. And he was a gambler.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>We didn't learn that until later on in life that

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he was a gambler. Uh. But he put all his

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>resources uh into into the band. Uh and uh. But

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>again we had no we had no other options, so

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>we we took it and uh, you know, again naive,

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but he knew what he was doing. Uh. And so

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>we signed with little little wind up records, the engine

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.839
<v Speaker 1>that could uh and uh. The rest is history. Did

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>you guys make any money off the first record after

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>signing with them, because it did so well. Uh yeah,

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>money started coming in. Yeah, I mean we we we

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a very good deal. It's a bad deal.

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>What about your publishing from writing the song? Did you

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>get paid from that differently? Uh? We we got paid. No,

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>we we got publishing, we got recording, we got royalties. Um,

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>we just got a tiny advance and and just probably

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, your basic crappy record deal that that was

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 1>probably pretty standard in in n um you know, I

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>mean our publishing deal. We still owned you know, the

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>vast majority of our publishing of course, um. And and

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>then had the typical probably standard record deal. Um. But

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the record you know, went six times platinum, I believe. Uh.

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>And so we definitely uh you know recouped because they

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.919
<v Speaker 1>used our demo. Man, they didn't just use the record

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>spent six right, and so we had nothing to recoup

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>except you know, a couple of music videos, uh and

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe some tour support early on. Uh. And so yeah,

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, our lives changed really quick. You know what

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>is that like you talk about a rocketship. When your

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>lives changed so quickly, do you go crazy or a,

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you scared it was. It was happening, Uh, so fast,

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was so awesome and it was such a

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>high and so exciting. Uh, and our dreams were coming true.

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.320
<v Speaker 1>We were just enjoying every minute of it, man, Um,

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>without the thought of of it could ever end. You know,

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>we were just caught up in it. Did you guys

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>get a plane eventually? Yeah? After after Human Clay we

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>had a plane. We had a G five. Come on, Um,

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Yeah, man, I mean, but

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Human Clay was so big, like it was next level.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 1>When when Higher comes out, I mean, just that drum

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>part and you singing like that to me personifies that

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>whole like to your two thousand like time period in music. Yeah,

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean Higher, what's and here's we'll play the club

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of Higher in cause you have eleven under a rock

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>or your twelve? Was this another level for you guys

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>with a song? Yea, this took us this, this, it

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>took us to another level. Um, it took us higher,

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 1>pun intended. Uh and uh. And then you know there

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was another song on this record. What if that was

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>tied in with the Scream three um movie? Uh? And

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>so we did a video uh with all the screen

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>three you know, actors, and and and and that also

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, to have that title track for a soundtrack

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and the whole movie machine behind that gave us exposure

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to you know, another great greater portion of the world,

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and then higher and then you know,

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and then the grand slam that just took it, you know,

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to the stratosphere. Um was arms wide open, which which

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 1>came later. I remember vividly that heartbeat and I don't

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>know if it was a radio version or the album version,

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 1>but it would be like, yeah, yeah, then well I

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>just heard that. That heartbeat still sits with me, like

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that song comes out because that was a number one

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:53.240
<v Speaker 1>pop song too. Yeah, like that's you beating everybody right again.

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>It had to be just another notch of what is

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.919
<v Speaker 1>happening with our life right now. It was we were

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>in it and enjoying, enjoying it and just living it.

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And and like I, like I said earlier, we or

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>at least I let me just speak for me. I

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 1>thought that's what was supposed to happen to a band

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 1>when they got a record deal and got on the radio.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize until years later that that's not what

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>happens to every band that gets a record deal and

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>gets on the radio. But in that moment, I did

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>so I thought everything that was happening was just what

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to happen, you know what I mean? Um,

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 1>what would you go back and tell that kid? Though? Now,

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I can tell that kid a lot. Um Man,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>appreciate uh the people around you. Let them know, even

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>though you may appreciate them, let them know on a

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>regular basis. Uh. You know, I was so caught up

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in and and you know, I had a lot of anxiety.

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh that's one issue that I dealt with, you know.

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.479
<v Speaker 1>And so every day that we had a big show

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in front of an arena crowd or or wherever, you know,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I was nervous all day long. And so I would

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I would kind of isolate myself because I was just

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>nervous and didn't want to mess up and whatnot. Uh.

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And so I would tell that guy, hey, chill man

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 1>and and and just appreciate the people around you more

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.919
<v Speaker 1>and let them know, you know, And and I did periodically,

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>but I would do more. Um also also spend more

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:35.479
<v Speaker 1>time uh nurturing all the relationships that you make uh

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>in this business. Um. You know, I was so caught

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>up in what I had to do and in the

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>in creed and in writing the songs. Uh. And you

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 1>know that I think this peripheral things I didn't pay

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>enough attention to, uh that you know, as a more

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 1>mature human being now I realized are so important. I mean,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it takes a team. You know. It wasn't just the

0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 1>band that was doing everything. Uh, it's it's the team. Um.

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I think I would definitely and

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and also I would have I would have told myself, um,

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, two look at it. This is a job too,

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And and it's not just

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>one big party, it's you know, uh. And so definitely

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.720
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of things to say to my younger

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>self about relationships, about taking care of my myself mentally

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>and physically. Um. And and just appreciating every moment and

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the people around me, like I said, um, and and

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>preserving and nurturing um, those those relationships. Despite what I

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was going through at the time, would you get nervous

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>when a record would come out because you know my

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 1>own prison, Probably not because you hustled, but then after

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a success and human Clay is about to come out,

0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>or whether it's about to come out, are you like, well,

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 1>we gotta beat the last and or you just go

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and let's just go fire them off. We were in

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:08.800
<v Speaker 1>such a rapid motion from making a record, promoting singles

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 1>tour right back in the studio. We we wrote Human

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Clay on tour because we only had like ten or

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>eleven songs to play and and so we were like,

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 1>we gotta write some more songs. So we were playing um,

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you know say I and Faceless Man and and some

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>other songs off of Human Clay eventually Arms Wide Open,

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Um and probably even higher uh live prior to recording

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>them on the album UM, and so you know, we

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of would see how the fans would react. You know,

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>they were getting positive reactions, and so we just we

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>weren't thinking about failure. We we we never we never

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>thought about that. Uh, looking back, We just were so

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 1>focused on what we were doing in that moment and

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>U that the doubt didn't come in. We didn't we

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't set any expectations on ourselves. With Arms Wide Open

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>written about your son, Yes, it was about it was

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 1>It was inspired when I found out I was going

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to be a father for the first time. Yeah. Is

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>he an adult now? Yes? Why wild Like that's what

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, How old am I? That's one of those

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>moments where you're like, well, yeah, well it's it's funny

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that that. You know, my other three children, um, they

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>all know the song and it's it's kind of you know,

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a family song. Now, it's for all of it's

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>for all of it's for all of you. You know

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's just inspired by your big brother,

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.439
<v Speaker 1>but it's for you too. He's at Scott's staff on

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and TikTok um creed Instagram. Is still you guys

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>are still to me? You still rolling? Yeah? Man, yeah,

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>it's still rolling. Yes they are. Let's go. Let's do it.

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 1>You heard it here, Let's go. I will be from

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>roh alright, Scott, great to see you, Thank you, great

0:45:51.600 --> 0:46:01.479
<v Speaker 1>to see you. Thanks for having me. Bobby at number two,

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 1>we're going with Reba McIntyre. Now, it's crazy to me

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>that Reba just came over to Bobby's house and we

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>recorded an interview with her and one of the most

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>genuine people I've ever met, and to be an icon

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in country music, you never expect her to be as

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>nice as she is. But she pulled up, got out

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>of her car, walked in the door, and immediately looked

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:27.280
<v Speaker 1>at me and introduced herself. She's like, Hey, I'm Reba,

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and this is somebody who everybody can recognize. Reba a

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>person who does not have to introduce herself at any cost,

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but she did. It just kind of shows you the

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>person she is. And when it comes to the really

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 1>successful people in music, they are always the nicest. It's

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>always the icons who are the nicest. People like Garth,

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton, Reba have all had that same quality when

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I've had the chance to meet them. And this is

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 1>another one we've been wanting to do for a very

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 1>long time. All the stars finally a line and we

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 1>were able to sit down with Reba. So here it

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 1>is at number two, Reba McIntyre in studio with Reba.

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 1>At what point did it just turn into just Reba Gosh?

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I think in um Nanny four, was that a conscious

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>decision by you and your team to go, I want

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to be an icon, so let's just go with Reba

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.839
<v Speaker 1>or it was a Marvel's idea. Yeah, And I liked

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>it because only when I signed my autograph. I only

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 1>had to put Reba because I'm lazy. Now it's kind

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of weird to hear McIntyre. Yeah, I like it. When

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing liners and things, I say, have Reba McIntyre

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 1>because that has a cadence for me. But just to

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>do Reba's fund with me too, I go with it.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess you have to drag out Reba. I'm Reba Reba. Hey, Hey,

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:45.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm Reba McIntyre. It just sounds better to me. It's

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>funny to see, whenever you look at your career, even today,

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 1>how relevant you are pop culture wise. Today I'm watching

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>ted Lasso and they're like, hey, we love the tickets

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 1>under Reba McIntyre, and so that that itself. And we

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 1>watched that episode I think two weeks ago, right did

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>they Did you know that was going to be in

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that show at all? No? I was sitting there with

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>riddenl Or, my dog. I was sitting there watching TV

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and and Roy Kent, my favorite character of the whole show,

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>comes up and says, I think you're holding a ticket

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>for Rebo McIntyre, went Riddler, did you hear that? I

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>was through? Marty said the same thing. She's sitting there

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>with her dog Cooper. So it was it was fun

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of thing because I'm on TikTok a

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>lot when you know I'm a survivor, is I must

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's everybody doing like their little household things. You know,

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>someone you know throws away the trash. You know that

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 1>became and it still is a huge you know TikTok trend.

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.120
<v Speaker 1>That did that come out of nowhere for you too?

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 1>And did someone come up and go read all of

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, this song is massive on TikTok. Yeah. I

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>think Justin was the one. He sent it over to me,

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Justin McIntosh and uh he said, look at this, looks

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.719
<v Speaker 1>what's look what's going on? And I said, well that's

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:01.240
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. I said, these kids weren't even born probably

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 1>when it was out first time, and he said, we

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>need to do one. So we did and then it

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>just got bigger and bigger, very flattering. It's it's it's on.

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 1>For a few weeks that was the most the thing

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 1>that I had seen the most. Now what's odd is

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that um uh neon moon is having its tow Ronnie.

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 1>It texts me and goes, hey, what's happening here? And

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what do you mean, what's happening? And

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know. The guy that runs TikTok

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he was like, our our song is being played all

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>over the place. It's got some mix and then now

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:34.879
<v Speaker 1>there's like a dance to it. But it is really

0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:38.399
<v Speaker 1>cool to see out and it's the easiest dance too,

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 1>And some of those dances I look at I can't do.

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>But it's like the Eat. But that song that Mike

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>that remix everywhere, isn't it everywhere? I'm a Survivor and

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Neon Moon are probably other than Walker Hayes's fancy, like

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:50.359
<v Speaker 1>like the two biggest songs on TikTok, but it's it's

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 1>just cool to see. I wouldn't even say every you

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>know generation, which I would say like ten years, but

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 1>it's like you just stay relevant and if someone comes

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to you and says, you know, what's the keyest sting,

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 1>what how do you do it? How do I do

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 1>do it? I don't do nothing. I've got a great

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 1>team that come up there young. They can think of

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 1>great things for me to do, and I just go

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 1>do it. And thank god, fans like that thought it

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>was interesting enough to sit on the toilet seat and

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>change the role of toilet paper paper and then turn

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>into rebund good job. You know, I'm a survivor. It's

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>just cute things like that. I'm very flattered more than anything.

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>The songwriters, I mean I I text them and I

0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 1>sent the TikTok over to them saying, look what's going

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>on for y'all song? So it's something we can all

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>can share and celebrate with. But it is so good

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and it proves one thing, a great song will live forever.

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.840
<v Speaker 1>The you did a whole album with different remixes on it. Yeah,

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 1>was the remix album inspired by it kind of blowing

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:54.799
<v Speaker 1>up again or were you already in the works with

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>that before it blew up on TikTok? Cindy maybe came

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.399
<v Speaker 1>up with the idea of revisiting the catalog, and so

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>their team, my team, they all got together and started

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 1>coming up. I mean, I'm the first time we all

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>said at a long conference table and they were telling

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>me the ideas was that two years ago or a

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 1>year ago at least two when we could without mask

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:22.959
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh crap, they're they're serious. They've

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of ideas here. And after the first

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:27.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty I was like, man, this is cool. And after

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that I was like, oh crap, I'm gonna be way

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 1>busier and I want to be probably, but they were

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.839
<v Speaker 1>coming up with all these ideas and then the three

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.399
<v Speaker 1>albums and three ways of doing fancy, and I thought

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it was just genius. And so here we are promotment.

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Now did you feel precious about Okay, I know you

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.800
<v Speaker 1>want to remix these songs, but to a lot of people,

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>these songs you know, uh define you know, different parts

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of their life. Or were you like, hey have that.

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to see what you guys do with three

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 1>The latter I was saying, go for it. Then when

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>they said I'm a survivor as a dance mix, I said, really,

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 1>But it turned out great. It's fun to look at

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>your top streaming songs. Fancies number one of all that

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 1>when we went through all the different services, Gonda added

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>them all up, Fancies number one, and I never and

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably I'm sure that you've heard this many times.

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Whenever I was singing fancy as a kid, I never

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>really knew what fancy was about until I got to

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 1>be an adult. And then when when I found out

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 1>what fancy was about. I was like, wow, I've been

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 1>singing that song a little too passionately, like I was

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>singing it. I was singing it hard. I mean, I

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>was really into it. And then it's like one day

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:36.799
<v Speaker 1>you just go, oh, how about that? How about that? Yeah,

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the little girl coming to school and won't just sing

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>fancy for the talent not and she goes, do you

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>know what this is about? She's yeah, she gets a

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>brand new red dress from her mama. Okay, and then okay,

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 1>if that's what you think it's about, that's great. So

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 1>when you recorded that song, was there any talk with

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 1>your with you your team, like oh, this is kind

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of an area that we're gonna be singing about that

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe is talked about a whole lot in contemporary country music. Well,

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 1>when I was with Jimmy Bowen in the eighties, he said,

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is there a song you want to do do? A remix song?

0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And I said, yeah, Fancy. He said, oh, woman, you

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 1>don't need to be doing that. That's about a prostitute.

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm totally aware of that. And so when

0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I went with Tony Brown in ninety, he said, would

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:22.839
<v Speaker 1>you like to do a song again? And I said, fancy. He's, oh,

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.439
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, that's my favorite song. So we did it.

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So it had been discussed years earlier and you decided

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 1>not to cover it, but I was vetoed. Yeah, it

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, nope, you can't do that. Well this whenever

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.320
<v Speaker 1>h the night the lights went out in Georgia, which

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I know that song because of Mama's family and then

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing research on her and then realizing she

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 1>was a singer. You Vicky Lawrence, Um, when you do

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that song? Was it similar or did you go We're

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>just gonna do it? And right away the same thing.

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Tony said, is there another song you'd like to do

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a remix? To do it again? And I said, yeah,

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that's the night the last one out in Georgia. And

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, Vicky, that was her one and only song

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>she recorded went number one. That amazing. Do you have

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with a person if they're alive, Like, did

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you talk to Vicki ins? And what was her thoughts?

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Like have at it? Oh? She was thrilled to death. Yeah,

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:15.439
<v Speaker 1>but it was after I did it when I talked

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 1>to her. Remember she had that talk show at TV

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>talk Show and I went on envisited with her and

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.879
<v Speaker 1>we sang it together on on the show. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I would assume even for you, that would be pretty cool.

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And you get to do everything cool. Oh, everything I

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 1>get to do cool. I am thrilled to death about it.

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't take it for granted. Still, after all this time,

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.359
<v Speaker 1>you're not jaded at oh no no. When I got

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 1>to do the video with Dolly Parton, I was like,

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I was the biggest fan in the room. You know.

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild to hear someone who I look at

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 1>as being the greatest you to look at Dolly at

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the greatest she is, and to to know that you

0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 1>would walk into a room with her and be like,

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:57.359
<v Speaker 1>in awe, when you moved to Nashville. Where was it Doll?

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Was Dolly available when you moved to Nashville? Or was

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 1>she in l a Was she in that face? I

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. The first time I saw Dolly was September

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 1>sevent ninety seven in person, the day the hour I

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 1>was gonna go on and do my first performance at

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Old Opry, and they told came up and said,

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.719
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take one of your songs away from you.

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 1>You only do one And I said why simple? Dolly

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Parton just pulled it into the parking lot and I said, well,

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 1>she didn't take both of them. Can I meet her?

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And she walked buying this chaffaun black pants sued and

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>had those butterfly rhynd stone butterflies on and this big

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 1>cotton candy hair. Aw man, that must be what angels

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:41.920
<v Speaker 1>looked like. That was the most beautiful woman I ever

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>saw my life. And did you say hello? No? I

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>was backed up again like everybody else was. I mean,

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 1>they said, art the waves, Dolly's coming in and I

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 1>slammed back up against that wall and just watched. I

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think her feet touched the ground. She was an angel.

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 1>And when did you guys have your first you know

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>where we kind of do the same thing experience years later,

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and then she came on the reab A TV show

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and we got to spend the whole week together. That

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:15.399
<v Speaker 1>was precious. That's absolutely love, that priceless. I just look

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.400
<v Speaker 1>at you. Two is out of the same cut of

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the same cloth. We are as country as can be.

0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>You have ambitions that are bigger than just singing country music.

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Although that's your most that's your pillar. You have ambitions

0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:32.719
<v Speaker 1>other than just that, and you both did it at

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 1>a really high level. And I would think that that

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 1>hopefully she would be someone the same thing with like

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Taylor to you, you know, with some of these other

0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.319
<v Speaker 1>artists who are doing that, that that that you can

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>reach out to it after a point and get advice

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 1>from her to that ever happened when you reach out

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 1>like Dolly, you know, can I can I pick your

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>brain at all? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I have done that.

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:54.439
<v Speaker 1>I did that in the early nineties a phone call,

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>and she took my call. A matter of fact, I

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>called her. She was at I think Caesar's in Vegas,

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was in Baker's Field somewhere and I needed

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a piece of advice from her, and and um, she

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 1>is on the tonight show the nup before and she

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 1>said she's going to Vegas, won't be at Caesar's. So

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I call Caesar's, but you actually called the casino and

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I said, um, I need to speak to Dolly Parton please.

0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 1>She said, one moment, please, who's calling? I said, Rebul

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 1>McIntyre And presuming Dolly came on the last she said,

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is this really Reba McIntyre or some squirrel that wishes

0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:33.439
<v Speaker 1>she was rebul McIntyre. It's me. That's funny to think about.

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:34.760
<v Speaker 1>We just have to call I mean, I haven't thought

0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 1>about having to do that. We just had to call

0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a place to get someone. You have to call a

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 1>restaurant and be like hey my uncle there. Yeah, that

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 1>was like back in the day. I want to play

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a little clip of does He Love You? This is

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>you and Dolly here this here, love you, love you,

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 1>lose me? He loves me? Does he think of you?

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Does he think of you? On? He was How cool

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is that to hear? Even though you've heard it ten

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:10.919
<v Speaker 1>thousand times? Yeah, you're right because when we first heard it, uh,

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Dave Cobb was the one that produced this one, And

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 1>when we were going down the list of all the

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 1>songs and listening to him, and does He Love You

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>came up and I sat there and listen. I said

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 1>play it again, and we listened to it again. It

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was just the best. Can I ask about the original

0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>version because from me moving to Nashville, I've gotten to

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 1>know Linda Hillary's mom pretty well, like I love her. Yeah,

0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:42.800
<v Speaker 1>but I remember watching that CMT you Guys video. It

0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 1>was one of the videos that and probably propped me

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>up beside the jukebox when I die. Probably two that

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I really, you know, remember and think about from from

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of that part of my life. But originally I

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 1>had read that you thought, maybe why knowing it would

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 1>be the one, but Linda killed it singing it, and

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you're like, we have to go with that? Is that

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 1>story true? Well, parsilely, Linda was on the road with me.

0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>She and Hilary's dad, Blank Scott. They were on the

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>road with me, and I thought, Linda, we could do

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 1>this every night on stage because she's backup singers. I

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 1>was featuring her on some songs because she had a

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>record deal, and so Tony said, well, let's well the

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>record label of course, wanted either Tricia or one on

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.320
<v Speaker 1>A and I said, but it's right here. It's so handy.

0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 1>And they said, well, let's keep working on it. And

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, in the meantime while I'm recording it,

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.280
<v Speaker 1>would can Lenda just step in and do the other

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 1>parts so I have somebody to sing against. They said okay,

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And when she got through, Tony said, she got the part.

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Did you tell her? Then? Hey, you're just gonna sing

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.840
<v Speaker 1>this as kind of a demo version, do you think

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in her mind she was like, I'm gonna sing this

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 1>so good that hopefully they can't refuse that. You know,

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Linda is so honest and so innocent. She was just

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 1>probably glad to be there and just I don't know

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.400
<v Speaker 1>what was in her mind, but I knew she would

0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 1>kill the song love it. And you know, Olinda has

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 1>to do a sing and she she sells herself. It's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that Dolly would say yes if you

1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 1>asked her to do that? Did you worry she wouldn't

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:11.680
<v Speaker 1>say yes? That's why I said, managers talk to managers.

1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to put Dolly on the spot. Besides,

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't have her phone number, so I thought it

1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>would be a good idea just to go in that way.

1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>She had an out if she didn't want to do it.

1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>The new box that Revived, remixed, re revisited is out now. Uh,

1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.360
<v Speaker 1>that is on the box set. You're also doing the

1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Christmas and Tune, which is the Lifetime movie. Where does

1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the acting rank on your passions? Now? I love to act.

1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't like to sit around her up and wait.

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't like that part of it. But I'm doing

1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:43.320
<v Speaker 1>several episodes of Young Sheldon on CBS. I love to

1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:46.560
<v Speaker 1>do that. I love the acting. I love the preparation.

1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I love to memorize my lines. I like almost all

1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of it. I like the being an executive producer. I

1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:57.040
<v Speaker 1>like being at the beginning. I like to rewrite and

1:00:57.240 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 1>uh if they let me do that once in a while,

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and they've been they were really nice on Christmas and

1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:04.680
<v Speaker 1>tune to let me do that. Rex helped me tremendously.

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.520
<v Speaker 1>My boyfriend, Rex Lynn, he was boy. He would make

1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:10.439
<v Speaker 1>me rehearse every day. I knew not only my lines,

1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:13.520
<v Speaker 1>but I knew everybody else's lines because he would be

1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:16.479
<v Speaker 1>every other character and I'd be me. So it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was I was very prepared for that role. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you started to do Rebuild Your your television series, did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys get a straight deal or did you do

1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a pilot and then the pilot got picked up? Do

1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you remember I'm getting them all mixed up? Because then

1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:34.920
<v Speaker 1>we did Malibu Country. Um, I was in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of doing any Get Your Gun. We went in in April.

1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I took ten days off from and he Gets Your

1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Gun to do go to California shoot the pilot. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Upfronts, which is in May, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had done eight shows that week. I got Monday off,

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday morning was up front, so I had to be

1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:58.640
<v Speaker 1>but crack of dawn over there. And they changed the

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<v Speaker 1>name three times. When we filmed the show for the pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the script was called Sally, and Marvin went

1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 1>to him and said, you know, if you did the

1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:15.280
<v Speaker 1>afternoon filming as Sally and then in front of the

1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:19.520
<v Speaker 1>audience tape it and Reba b Reba instead of Sally,

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<v Speaker 1>then let's see how that tests out. And they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the title went from Sally. By the time I

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<v Speaker 1>got to Upfronts, it was deep in the heart because

1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:33.200
<v Speaker 1>we were off from Houston, Texas and we were the

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<v Speaker 1>Heart family. So then there came out this thing on

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<v Speaker 1>the USA today that they're publisist publicists had said, why

1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the w B had ever hired Reba McIntire for this

1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:50.800
<v Speaker 1>part is ridiculous. She's not of our what do you

1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:56.520
<v Speaker 1>call it? Um people that watch, Yeah, she's not our demographics.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the head of the cup need called by

1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the time we got back to the hotel after up

1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Fronts and said, terribly sorry, terribly sorry. What can we

1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.080
<v Speaker 1>do to make up for this. Well, I'd already gone

1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.280
<v Speaker 1>back to bed. I had a performance that night. So

1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Marvel was talking to Hernie. He heard me get up

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<v Speaker 1>and go to the bathroom and out the other room

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, um, hang onna, let me put reb

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<v Speaker 1>on the line. Banged on the bathroom door. So pick

1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:22.120
<v Speaker 1>up the phone and and I said, I said hello.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we're terribly sorry what happened and what was

1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in the USA today? What can we do to make

1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:29.560
<v Speaker 1>this up to you? And I was half asleep and

1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I said, uh, oh, well, she said, well Marvell said

1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.760
<v Speaker 1>if we call it Reba, you'll be happy with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said that's a wonderful idea. Thank you, hung up,

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<v Speaker 1>went back to bed. So that's how I got the

1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:42.760
<v Speaker 1>name Reba. And so you go, did you move out

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<v Speaker 1>to l A because it was that like you said, Hey,

1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I got I just gotta go. If I'm gonna do this,

1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to visit it, I need to go

1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:52.120
<v Speaker 1>live it. Oh we had. We were there three weeks.

1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:53.960
<v Speaker 1>So what happened was I got through it and he

1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:56.880
<v Speaker 1>gets your gun. On June we went to Ireland for

1:03:56.880 --> 1:04:00.160
<v Speaker 1>a vacation. I did five weeks all girl Tour and

1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:03.480
<v Speaker 1>then went to l A. Found the found an apartment,

1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a condo we lived in for the first season because

1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you never know, it could go thirteen weeks and you

1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:12.400
<v Speaker 1>don't get picked up. But then we got picked up

1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on the back nine, and then Marvel went house hunting

1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and we bought a house and we were there for

1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:19.240
<v Speaker 1>six and a half seasons. Did that ever feel like

1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:23.960
<v Speaker 1>home out there? I loved living in l A. I'd

1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:27.640
<v Speaker 1>love to go back and do another show. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you guys, you know, explored different versions of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been close, real close? Have you shot a

1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:37.800
<v Speaker 1>pilot to anything? Yeah, the Mark Cherry pilot. We did

1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:42.360
<v Speaker 1>one called ox Blood and they passed on it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a weird thing because I've shot a few pilots

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<v Speaker 1>and had it passed on where you feel like everybody

1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:51.880
<v Speaker 1>so pumped about it and everybody loves it. But then

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<v Speaker 1>might have been talk shows and like, oh this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Research has been great? Yeah, it's been, it's tested so wonderfully. Well,

1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.880
<v Speaker 1>let's spend someone. Well it's just right now. So is

1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that showed? That show is done. That show is done, unfortunately,

1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:09.960
<v Speaker 1>which I thought it was gonna you know, last forever.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I'd retire off of that show. I mean

1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the ox Blood that show. That's yeah. Mark Cherry, I

1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:18.600
<v Speaker 1>love his show now Why Women Kill It's just he

1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:21.560
<v Speaker 1>is a genius. I saw my wife watching that show

1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:23.240
<v Speaker 1>one day and I was like, why are you watching Why?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it was about, just exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>are your motives? Why are we learning from this show? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What my my favorite duet in country music, the cow

1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Girls Don't Cry that thanks. That song to me, I

1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:43.680
<v Speaker 1>think is the sad It's We're in the land of

1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:46.960
<v Speaker 1>sad songs. I mean, we have the format of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest sad songs of all time, because I think we

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<v Speaker 1>have the format of the realist songs of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Cow Girls don't Cry that song to me? And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's because I just didn't have a dad growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it hits me like that and I'm not a

1:05:57.200 --> 1:06:00.720
<v Speaker 1>cow girl, but you know there's that relationship like when

1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:06.200
<v Speaker 1>when you heard that song, like, were you moved? Yes,

1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.720
<v Speaker 1>because I am a cow girl and my daddy was

1:06:08.760 --> 1:06:13.959
<v Speaker 1>a cowboy and a very strict uh cowboy. And so

1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:18.080
<v Speaker 1>when we do that song on stage in Vegas, there

1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:22.880
<v Speaker 1>is a huge screen behind the stage behind the setup,

1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm walking on stage for my part and running

1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and kicks already out there, and I happened to look

1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:31.960
<v Speaker 1>up and see that cowboy. I barely got my notes out.

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<v Speaker 1>It choked me up so bad. I mean, that song

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<v Speaker 1>still doesn't anytime we do, or anytime someone's interviewing me

1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.000
<v Speaker 1>about country music and they're talking about emotion and song like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one I still go to after all these years.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, we could was fifty great sad songs,

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<v Speaker 1>but that one to me, and maybe it's the time

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<v Speaker 1>I when it cut and how it hits me personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even a cow girl, like I said, no

1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.000
<v Speaker 1>cow girl with me when we when you're out on

1:06:57.040 --> 1:06:59.640
<v Speaker 1>tour and we will end with this, She'll be out January.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you've put an unhealthy expectation of

1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you having to wear all the great clothes all the time. Yes,

1:07:04.200 --> 1:07:05.480
<v Speaker 1>don't you ever just want to go and sweats and

1:07:05.520 --> 1:07:07.200
<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm gonna sing you eight songs and sweats.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget seeing Shannai Twain come out. Um. I

1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:14.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there in person, but I saw it and she

1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:18.480
<v Speaker 1>had those fluffy little workout pants on and tennis shoes

1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and her hair in a ponytail, and I was like,

1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm way overthinking this. And she had all her dancers

1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.360
<v Speaker 1>be Bob Brown. It was so cool, and I thought, man,

1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:30.600
<v Speaker 1>why didn't I think of that? Okay, thank you, thank you, Bobby.

1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Nice to see all of you. That was awesome And

1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:43.040
<v Speaker 1>at number one, the best Bobby Cast of it's going

1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to Brothers Osborne. I think this is the one we

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<v Speaker 1>had the most messages about ever when it came out

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<v Speaker 1>the day when live, the response was like enormous. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's because this episode in particular went back to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the roots of this podcast, in the early episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>in the the phases of the Bobby Cast. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the really great episodes are ones that felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>therapy session. A lot of times in the early interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>people would cry that was kind of a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation would get so in depth, to the point

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<v Speaker 1>to where some people would forget they were talking into

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<v Speaker 1>a microphone and it was just Bobby and the guests

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<v Speaker 1>having this really kind of heartfelt conversation, and we got

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<v Speaker 1>to know them so well that it felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>therapy session. And there was one point in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>that I think we kind of all forgot. There was

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<v Speaker 1>microphones in front of everybody's faces and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers Osborne and Bobby having this very genuine conversation. So

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<v Speaker 1>the best episode of the year, and I think one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best episodes that we've ever done on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So at number one, the top interview of one on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bobby Cast. Brothers Osborne in Studio Now with Brothers Osborne.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time that I saw you, guys, I had

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<v Speaker 1>been dragged to what they call a radio show boot camp.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't about country music. Heck, I wasn't even in

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<v Speaker 1>country music. I was. I had built my own syndication

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<v Speaker 1>company and I was doing pop and hip hop. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting trouble because I would put Dirk's on

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<v Speaker 1>ut William and be like, why are you playing coutchy

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<v Speaker 1>music on pop radio? Kind of what it happens now.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on the other side, I'll bring in for ll

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring in somebody and they're like, why are you

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in for all lot of country. I just always

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<v Speaker 1>knew what I liked. It didn't matter to me really

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<v Speaker 1>what format at what Most people are that way, I

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<v Speaker 1>think people are too right. But I was over there

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<v Speaker 1>doing that and we're in this theater and I was

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<v Speaker 1>ready for some other you know, jabrown need to get

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<v Speaker 1>up and talking about something in radio that I was lame,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, all right, before we go, we

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<v Speaker 1>got these two guys on a showcase to you. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was Chicago. Yeah, And they were like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget. This is one of the most awkward moments

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<v Speaker 1>in our Brothers Osborne. And I was like, music, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to like and I also don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you recall this, but they said Brothers Osborne. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the guy decides in that moment to change the batteries

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<v Speaker 1>and the microphones. I'm like, why didn't you do this

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<v Speaker 1>like ten minutes ago? Do you kidding me? So we

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<v Speaker 1>had a dan. They're on stage where everyone had been

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<v Speaker 1>they had clapped, finished clapping five minutes ago, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>changing one by one of these batteries. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I could kick you straight off the

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<v Speaker 1>stage right now, and uh, let me started performing a

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<v Speaker 1>new one. Really cared. Can I say another thing though

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<v Speaker 1>about that? I found really bizarre about that since you

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<v Speaker 1>worked in different like formats and radio why are the

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<v Speaker 1>popery of people so insanely arrogant? Like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them artists, but but I find like

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<v Speaker 1>these people, you know, like I feel like it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>unusual in country, like you actually do know most of

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<v Speaker 1>not all the country artists that come through here, but

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<v Speaker 1>they always pretend like you listen to a pop station,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, oh, yeah, I was saying with my

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<v Speaker 1>boy Drake, and I'm like, I guarantee that you maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just saw him in Meat and Great and it's so

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<v Speaker 1>weird and they're like the most and that that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I found it almost like unbearable to watch these people

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<v Speaker 1>co exist together because you had the country people who

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<v Speaker 1>were like really cool and hanging out and some of

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<v Speaker 1>them have their their egos, and then all the pop

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, screw the country guys, even though I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys have stations that are like five times the

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<v Speaker 1>size of yours. I don't know why that why that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's culture. The answer is culture. You are in

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<v Speaker 1>the pop world taught to look as cool as you

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely can't even if you don't have it in the

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<v Speaker 1>country world. And I find this with myself too, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in California a lot, working in the country world

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<v Speaker 1>or the Nashville world, or the South or what however

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<v Speaker 1>you want to use. You know, we are taught. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you are cool, kind of scale it back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because nobody gives a crap. Nobody does.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's basically that that's the difference pop radio

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<v Speaker 1>versus Los Angeles, versus Nashville versus country radio. It's when

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<v Speaker 1>I go and I'm shooting American Idol, they think that

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<v Speaker 1>I am, first of all, showing up with a haycy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, overall. But they're also like, he's just the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest guy. He's just a And it's like, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else here. You know, I don't get an award

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<v Speaker 1>for being the greatest guy. I'm a good dude. But

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta good dude around here. You don't survive prune

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<v Speaker 1>the bad dudes here big time quick. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't show up with an entourage, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't afford it, that's and that's anti that culture

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<v Speaker 1>that they promote. So that's it was such a observation

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<v Speaker 1>that you saw. That's how it is here. If you

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<v Speaker 1>show up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you,

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like, in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest singer

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<v Speaker 1>and songwriter musician of all time of all genres, shows

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<v Speaker 1>up by himself to like an event and where's his

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<v Speaker 1>lanyard around his neck with his name on it, just

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that everyone he can get backstage to

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<v Speaker 1>a place he's playing. And then he's just cool and

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<v Speaker 1>then he packs up his own guitar and walks off

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<v Speaker 1>and drives his own ass home. I'm like, if he

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<v Speaker 1>can do it, anyone can do it, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Stapleton drive up to a show once in

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<v Speaker 1>his old truck in Nashville, get out be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Chris, and they were like, oh you are him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just lay the lit him. He just literally

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<v Speaker 1>stables and drop his old truck, parked it behind and

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<v Speaker 1>Rieman and walked in the back just to do his show.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, but yes, it's a culture. People

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<v Speaker 1>in that pop culture have to act cooler than they are.

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<v Speaker 1>People in this culture have to act less. And you

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<v Speaker 1>really see it too. At the Grammy Awards, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's so funny. Once again. You'll see someone from

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<v Speaker 1>country walk in and everyone's like, oh, this hokey you

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<v Speaker 1>know s ob Meanwhile, I'm like, this dude sells like

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<v Speaker 1>ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not that cool, like just chill, you know, do just

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<v Speaker 1>have fun? Why is it such a you know, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, wow, they're so nice. Shouldn't you just

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<v Speaker 1>And I felt that way too early, but now I

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<v Speaker 1>just take it. I'm like, I'm the night of this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I would go to meetings where and I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that it was so counted or that culture. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would go to meetings and pitch TV shows, not for

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<v Speaker 1>me because I produced a couple of shows, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would go and I'll be like, I go meet I

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<v Speaker 1>met with Less before I got in trouble. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>met with Less move as who was the president of

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<v Speaker 1>CBS and all his people. And I showed up by

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<v Speaker 1>myself at the gate and I just you know, took

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<v Speaker 1>an uber got out and they were like, you're here

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself, where's waiting for your team? I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the team and they were just so shocked by it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, they verbally said, this never happens, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>comes alone. This is still refreshing. And I went, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I will not do this forever. So when I go,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I would have done anyway, I go

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<v Speaker 1>by myself and I show I get a little backpack on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, hello, guys. But they're like, you're the

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<v Speaker 1>nicest guy. I'm like, I'm not. But it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely a culture thing. But you guys grew up

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<v Speaker 1>where you grew up in Maryland. I have to think

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<v Speaker 1>felt like the South compared to its compared from New

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<v Speaker 1>York and Boston in a place where I got Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's interesting, and I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of why our music is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Is we It's like to the Northerners, we

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<v Speaker 1>are just like these red knecks down where we're from.

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<v Speaker 1>And then people from the South treat us like word

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<v Speaker 1>of these Yankees, and it's kind of like we're in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of everything. No one really wants to claim us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure what's going on, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>a very like homogeneous thing where I do. We do

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<v Speaker 1>feel part Northeast and part Southern. It's really really strange.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny you say no one wants to claim you,

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<v Speaker 1>because I felt for a while, because I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>saying this because you're here. I've been fans of you

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<v Speaker 1>guys since the first time I heard you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, love you guys. And I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>even I would tell you guys that i'd bring you

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, and you play stuff and you've been

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<v Speaker 1>very supportive. And this isn't me. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>her mailbow patting myself in the back, but my point

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<v Speaker 1>is is that I felt like even the format country

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<v Speaker 1>music did that to you for a minute to not

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<v Speaker 1>but they're like a little too rock. And then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, now there's a little two country where you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of were in that same spot where no one

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to claim you. Exactly did you feel that way? Still?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know. The thing is is that we've

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<v Speaker 1>realized I think there's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fans out there who are the same um for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually been now that we are where we are,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've done really well touring because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been able to make a lot happen off

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<v Speaker 1>off of comparatively um, not a ton of radio success.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think obviously to a new artist we've had,

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<v Speaker 1>we have had a decent amount of radio success, but

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten a lot done with with with not much.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. And to to come full circle, though, you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned something and we were kind of heading there with

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<v Speaker 1>your story talking about that that radio similar thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely bizarre. And I've told you this before, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>we just got to meet you. I think you were

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<v Speaker 1>new to country, so everyone was like, I don't know

1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:36.320
<v Speaker 1>about this guy. You know, it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're immediately coming into like one of the biggest

1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like slots in radio. Um. But you sat there through

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<v Speaker 1>the entirety of our performance. Most people could care less

1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that we were playing. There was very few people in

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<v Speaker 1>the room that paid attention. And and I will always

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<v Speaker 1>remember remember that you um attendive to the entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it was because you felt incredibly sorry for us,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure that probably has a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it. But thanks about thank you you talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it's you know when you say we haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>as compared to a new artists a lot of radio success.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because there are some songs that will hit

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<v Speaker 1>number four but feel like a number one. But some

1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:17.120
<v Speaker 1>artists right not even know you guys specifically, but urban

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<v Speaker 1>will come in and I think, like Gonna Fly or

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<v Speaker 1>something was never a number one, right, Well, He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but it feels like the number one because

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<v Speaker 1>people were I feel like, because I had to look

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<v Speaker 1>at like the chart to see where you felt like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys get more credit for having radio success because

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like a lot of your songs were bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than maybe numerically they were getting. And you are right

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<v Speaker 1>the way. There's a really kind of a one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people, as they always say,

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<v Speaker 1>not every hit is the number one, and not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>number one is a hit, and you know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>weird and John and I have just racker brains all

1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:57.439
<v Speaker 1>the time thinking about that. Some artists have a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of number ones and you can't remember them, and then

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<v Speaker 1>some people have hardly any number ones, but you remember

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<v Speaker 1>all of their material. And I don't know why it

1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:07.439
<v Speaker 1>works that way, but I definitely feel that way for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was why I really particularly missed playing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a crowd for a year and a half

1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:15.479
<v Speaker 1>is for us, like a song like all Night, We

1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:17.840
<v Speaker 1>felt like that would be a big hit. It was,

1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it did okay, But now that we're out playing it,

1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like you would have thought the song was was

1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that number one for a month? I mean it's people

1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:29.040
<v Speaker 1>go bananas for it now. It was really hard for

1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:31.760
<v Speaker 1>us to I think it went to like twenty on

1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:34.519
<v Speaker 1>the charts or something like that. That that was that

1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:38.040
<v Speaker 1>felt like, it's like with this rejection. But usually John

1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:39.439
<v Speaker 1>and I don't pay a whole lot of attention to

1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:41.760
<v Speaker 1>that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,

1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:45.240
<v Speaker 1>it's working. But now that we are um back at it,

1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, now I get you know what what

1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:50.080
<v Speaker 1>we do? Why we do what we do because it works. Uh.

1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.679
<v Speaker 1>And it was extremely hard for us in the pandemic

1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to just only be able to look at a chart

1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:56.720
<v Speaker 1>position that was the one. Again, who knows what chart

1:18:56.760 --> 1:18:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah,

1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:01.800
<v Speaker 1>so All Night was one of the ones that I

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<v Speaker 1>specifically pulled and was like this thing was only in

1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the twenties. Yeah, here's a clip of All Night. Another

1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>one was and I bet you that it just lights

1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:17.040
<v Speaker 1>up a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I

1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>gotta imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every

1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:22.760
<v Speaker 1>night it is little. Yeah, I gotta imagine people hit

1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:25.679
<v Speaker 1>this song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,

1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our

1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:31.639
<v Speaker 1>biggest song on UM the chart position wise or whatever

1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:35.280
<v Speaker 1>was Stay a little longer, but people come. The majority

1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of the crowd the song they're waiting to hear is

1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:38.880
<v Speaker 1>this one? I mean, is it ain't my fault? Yeah,

1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that's the one that they call for the most. You know,

1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.559
<v Speaker 1>stay a little longer. It was being our only number

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:47.000
<v Speaker 1>one it UM people love that song, but they stay

1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:49.040
<v Speaker 1>for all night. They want to hear it, but they

1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:51.120
<v Speaker 1>stay for that. And right now we're onto our current single,

1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm Not for everyone, and we're it's charting, we're doing

1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, but we're like, hello, can we like can

1:19:57.439 --> 1:19:59.559
<v Speaker 1>we get moving here? Like this for still? Just like

1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.200
<v Speaker 1>hey in the forties, like what's going on? But now

1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that we're going out and we can play it and

1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:07.439
<v Speaker 1>people are already responding like we're playing UM a hit song.

1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like Okay, it's just that there's some there's other

1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:13.400
<v Speaker 1>things that play here more than than just a chart position.

1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:15.439
<v Speaker 1>It's a huge part of what we do, but it's

1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>not the only thing, and it can be. It can

1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:20.600
<v Speaker 1>drive I think it even artists that have lots of

1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:22.760
<v Speaker 1>number ones. If you just look at a chart, it

1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:25.400
<v Speaker 1>really will just eat you from the inside out. It's

1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:28.280
<v Speaker 1>really frustrating, especially from like the forty two to thirty

1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:31.920
<v Speaker 1>one spot that's like the swampy no man. So you're

1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.720
<v Speaker 1>just trying to climb out and if you can get out,

1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:36.519
<v Speaker 1>you got a shot. And then if you're looking at

1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the chart, especially being in this business now for as

1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:41.880
<v Speaker 1>long as we have, it's like we know nearly everyone

1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:45.599
<v Speaker 1>that's on the charts. When your friend jump you, you're like, oh,

1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:48.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm canceling dinner with I think it all comes down

1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 1>to like what's your what Like, what's your own metric?

1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:54.400
<v Speaker 1>You know? And there are people that live and die

1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:57.240
<v Speaker 1>by the chart um, And that's fine. If that's your

1:20:57.320 --> 1:21:00.719
<v Speaker 1>metric and that's what you base your success on, that's fine.

1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:02.519
<v Speaker 1>That's that's how you want to do it, and it's great.

1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I think for us we have to base our own

1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:08.559
<v Speaker 1>success off of multiple metrics. Um. One of them is

1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:10.840
<v Speaker 1>how well we're doing on radio, But most importantly, like

1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>t J touched on earlier, is how one how many

1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:18.679
<v Speaker 1>butts are you put in seats into how much fun

1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:20.720
<v Speaker 1>are they having? And how much are they have? Much

1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:23.320
<v Speaker 1>fun are they having during that song? Can you feel

1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the energy? And we have to go off of that metric.

1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:30.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've We're very grateful for how we've done

1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:33.160
<v Speaker 1>on country radio, considering that we do sound different, um,

1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and it has helped us immensely. But if we only

1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:37.920
<v Speaker 1>hung our hat on just the chart, we would lose

1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.400
<v Speaker 1>our minds, which is honestly why I don't even look

1:21:40.400 --> 1:21:42.599
<v Speaker 1>at it. I mean I don't because what the hell

1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:44.519
<v Speaker 1>can I do? I mean right, I'm not gonna call

1:21:45.040 --> 1:21:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a radio promoter or some guy up and be like, hey,

1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:50.240
<v Speaker 1>can you give me like five spins? That's what our

1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>promo teams for. It's just gonna drive me crazy. But

1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:54.840
<v Speaker 1>every time they do play a song, it is a

1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>little advertisement for our band. And there's also this really

1:21:57.800 --> 1:22:01.240
<v Speaker 1>strange disconnect with radio. And as John said them to me,

1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:04.519
<v Speaker 1>I think the ultimate just stat is just tickets. You

1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:07.160
<v Speaker 1>saw tickets? Yeah, I haven't learned the TikTok dance yet

1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:08.559
<v Speaker 1>to your new song, So if you guys want to,

1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not happening now, you know. I guess that's why

1:22:13.120 --> 1:22:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I haven't learned it. We should know TikTok dance. You

1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>just stand still like everyone can do this? Yeah? What? Um,

1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So the tour we're not We're not for everyone. Yes,

1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not for everybody everyone. So did you name because

1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it's always your name the song and the record, after

1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the song, after the tour, and what order did that happen?

1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>And did you name the tour this because you really

1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:39.040
<v Speaker 1>felt that or because it was a good song, or

1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:42.000
<v Speaker 1>well a couple of different reasons. I mean, you know,

1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you we know, I don't know. We titled the record

1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of Skeletons because honestly, it's the song. The song Skeletons

1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:52.479
<v Speaker 1>on that record defined I think the record. It's kind

1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of the center piece. Was one of the keystones? Was

1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it the first one? One of the first ones? And um,

1:22:58.400 --> 1:23:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and then we recorded I'm Not for Everyone? Was one

1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:03.040
<v Speaker 1>of the last songs, if not the last song that

1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>we recorded. We thought we got one more day, let's

1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:07.360
<v Speaker 1>just do this song. And I'm like We're thinking, man,

1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll sing a verse that might be kind of cool.

1:23:08.920 --> 1:23:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It'll just be different. It'll never be a single, but

1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the fans will like it. And then um, we put

1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the record out and then people started freaking out about

1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:18.479
<v Speaker 1>this song in particular. And I think it has a

1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>lot to do with the message. I mean, you look

1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>at the times that we're in now and everyone is

1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>claiming you know who they are, and this is what

1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I do. And also like coming to terms with the

1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.559
<v Speaker 1>fact that you just can't please everybody, especially in two

1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:33.599
<v Speaker 1>thousand one. So we felt the traction of the song,

1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:35.559
<v Speaker 1>so we decided, you know, we gotta put it out.

1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:38.599
<v Speaker 1>And then us, um, it is a bit of our Montrail.

1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:40.719
<v Speaker 1>We are accepting that we just are not for everybody.

1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:43.240
<v Speaker 1>You look at our songs, getting the twenty at best

1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, and then um, getting to Kneel

1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and Travis, who are both a very unique, very awesome

1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Left of cener artists. It's just kind of work. The

1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>whole message seemed to come together at one time. I

1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>wish I could say that we were smart enough to

1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>see in the future like that, but we're not. And

1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:02.240
<v Speaker 1>just but we saw how the thing was shaping up

1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:04.000
<v Speaker 1>when we took advantage of it. And I think that

1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it is one of those things that you that John

1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote it from the perspective of of of

1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>this is how we feel and to our surprise, So

1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I think nearly everyone feels that way. Yeah, you know.

1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Whenever I wrote so, I was some very personal things

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.880
<v Speaker 1>in my first book, and I thought, I'm gonna share

1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of it

1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:30.120
<v Speaker 1>had to do with either the drug addiction my mom

1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>had before she died or a lot of the really

1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and that

1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I loved her, but it was a very tough relationship.

1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, hex she got pretty much fifteen right, and

1:24:40.920 --> 1:24:43.320
<v Speaker 1>my dad leafed, so she had to But I was

1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:45.479
<v Speaker 1>going there was a lot of stuff, and even when

1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:48.320
<v Speaker 1>she reached her breaking point, she did some things that

1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I know she wouldn't be proud of, but because drugs

1:24:50.840 --> 1:24:55.040
<v Speaker 1>had a taking control of her. And so I wrote

1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and then that I was trying to tell the story

1:24:56.920 --> 1:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of someone who had been through that, not through her

1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>side of it, through mine. And I've never had a

1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:03.120
<v Speaker 1>drink of alcohol and never touched the drug because I've

1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>been so scared of it. I wish I could. I mean,

1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and that to me, the one thing I want to

1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>do is relax and so um. But I wrote these

1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>stories and I thought, man, other people are gonna feel

1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>sorry for me. You're gonna tell me to shut up,

1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:17.880
<v Speaker 1>but they're not going to understand. And I put it out.

1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:20.240
<v Speaker 1>And what I learned is, and I say this because

1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>you just expressed the same thing to me. What I

1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:27.479
<v Speaker 1>learned was I never felt so welcomed or like I

1:25:27.520 --> 1:25:31.320
<v Speaker 1>was included until I felt like I was so not included.

1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is my story. No one's gonna understand,

1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel like me. Um. But

1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it turns out just because people aren't screaming about it

1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean they're not feeling it. Yeah, exactly. And that

1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you say we're not for everyone, we do.

1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:48.320
<v Speaker 1>That's how I felt about me. But I would be

1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:50.599
<v Speaker 1>doing a mean greet somewhere, you know, we'd be I'd

1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>be doing something come up. It's like you know the

1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.519
<v Speaker 1>story about you know that that touched me and I

1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>felt that severely when I came out. It was, you know,

1:25:59.120 --> 1:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought I didn't know how it would be received.

1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I know some people would be supportive and some people

1:26:02.840 --> 1:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>would probably hate. But I think the thing that was

1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>really um one of the most um like recharging things

1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of it or whatever or inspiring things to me were

1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the parents and stuff being like, hey, my kid, parents

1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have other other kids. Yeah, are being like this is great.

1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>You know I've always I was getting a lot of

1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff of just people who themselves weren't gay,

1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>but we're really close to someone who was, and this

1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>felt like just like a relief for them, and UM

1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>and that yeah, so I know what you mean. It

1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:33.360
<v Speaker 1>was I didn't expect that, and it was one of

1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the coolest experiences I've ever felt. Did you feel more love?

1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>And you just said this, but I just want to

1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>hear this from you again because I did. Did you

1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:43.559
<v Speaker 1>feel more love than you expected? I did? And you know,

1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:47.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm and I've talked about this um before, but is uh.

1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.519
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely felt more loved than I expected. And I

1:26:50.640 --> 1:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>even feeling the love from people that I knew loved me. Um,

1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>it was. It just was so different. It was so overwhelming,

1:26:57.840 --> 1:26:59.679
<v Speaker 1>and it's the thing I wish everyone got to experience,

1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:02.599
<v Speaker 1>because everyone has loved more than they realized they are.

1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:04.519
<v Speaker 1>And the kind of sad part is there's a lot

1:27:04.560 --> 1:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of people don't talk about how much they love someone

1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:10.519
<v Speaker 1>until they've died or something really tragic. Um. And you know,

1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>it was a difference of just like someone you know,

1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it's like I compared to someone just leaves like all right,

1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>all right, love you man, see you later, as opposed

1:27:18.680 --> 1:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders and being

1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>like I love you. Like it just was like, wow,

1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>it's the same word, but it just hit in such

1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>a different way, UM that I just thought in that moment, Wow,

1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>like just for this alone to feel this is um

1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it sais something I wish everyone could feel at some

1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>point in time. Why at that point in time, like

1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>do you have a conversation like let's just do it

1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>now where you finally like I just feel like telling people, well, yeah,

1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:45.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean I always wanted to come out and this

1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>was a huge um hurdle for me because I was

1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>always really really afraid that I would look opportunistic, and

1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:56.479
<v Speaker 1>so I never wanted it to never wanted to be

1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>anything that would just not here here, here, we need

1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>some publicity or whatever. Um. And so in order to

1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>do that. I always felt like I need to do

1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>this at the height of my career, and then through

1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, I'm like, yeah, you know, I just really

1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>one was kind of the things that were important to

1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>me were very simple things, things that I've had my

1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>virtually my whole life was doing the same sitting around

1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:19.519
<v Speaker 1>fire or having in some drinks, just you know, chewing

1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the fat with people. That was I mean, the things

1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that I was still having the same that were fun

1:28:24.320 --> 1:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>for me, and I'm like, I can do this, you know.

1:28:26.080 --> 1:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>When I when I was broke, I was having doing

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<v Speaker 1>these same exact things, you know. So I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like at that point, like and then also, who who

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<v Speaker 1>knows when you're at the height of your career, And

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<v Speaker 1>so then the other fear was what if I have

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<v Speaker 1>to You never know that you have passed the height

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<v Speaker 1>of your career until you're on the way down. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if I came out, then it's still it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like I'd be jump on the shark to people.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just felt kind of stuck in this

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing of like I'm unsure the perfect time. And

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<v Speaker 1>then finally, just one day I just thought like I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do this, like, and I gotta do it now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to go back to work to

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<v Speaker 1>where I just did have distractions again, like I need

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<v Speaker 1>to do this now where I can focus on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and the other thing too was I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to build Mike. Why would I not want

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the height of my career being just

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<v Speaker 1>completely open about who I am and what I am

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<v Speaker 1>And John and I are really proude ourselves for just

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<v Speaker 1>being who we are. I mean, hell, alert's where song

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like their mission statement,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. And so at that point, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs I don't know that there ever is a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect time, and there really isn't in your brain until

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<v Speaker 1>you do it and then you realize that that was

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect time. Just appreciate you, guys, and sound likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>buddy take here. And that was the top eight Bobby

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