Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Top eight Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: Interviews of one, Part two. I am like the producer
Speaker 1: of the Bobby Cast and Bobby and I have hands
Speaker 1: selected the best interviews we did this year. This is
Speaker 1: part two. So if you missed part one, just go
Speaker 1: back an episode and check that out, or if you
Speaker 1: just want to hear the top four, you're in the
Speaker 1: right place because these are the best interviews we did
Speaker 1: on the Bobby Cast this year. And this is based
Speaker 1: on episode downloads, reaction we had on social media. So
Speaker 1: I'll count these down, give you some behind the scenes
Speaker 1: that went into recording these episodes and what I kind
Speaker 1: of have to do as a producer of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. At number four, we went
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Allen. Now, we had Jimmy Allen back on
Speaker 1: in before he ever had a number one. And Jimmy
Speaker 1: is one of the nicest people in country music, and
Speaker 1: he's a very busy guy. And this was before Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars this year, before winning Best New Artists.
Speaker 1: And what I love about Jimmy is that he always
Speaker 1: comes in with the best stories right when he sits down.
Speaker 1: Bobby asked him one question and it immediately leads to
Speaker 1: a great conversation and we had so many tweets and
Speaker 1: d M when this episode came out. So at number
Speaker 1: four is Jimmy Allen here with Jimmy Allen, which I
Speaker 1: was looking at some of the track listing for for
Speaker 1: Betty James. And I'm always curious at the process and
Speaker 1: asking people much cooler than yourself, no no offense, much
Speaker 1: cooler than yourself to do something with you, because I
Speaker 1: don't have to ask people cooler, way cooler than me
Speaker 1: to do stuff with me. And I'm always a little
Speaker 1: weird about it. How do you ask, for example, let's
Speaker 1: do the song. Now, you and Brad Paisley, you have
Speaker 1: a song together, that's the song out of Radio Freedom
Speaker 1: was a Highway? How does that ask go? Do you
Speaker 1: do it? Or did your people do it? Man? So
Speaker 1: I kind of did on myself. It kind of happened
Speaker 1: because I was Brad It text me one night it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I have to play the operating Night.
Speaker 1: Come by the house. He said, Darius is coming and
Speaker 1: he said Bill Shatners here. I was like, that was
Speaker 1: Bill Shatnan. Well, she's like William shatn I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, people in my age we know him from
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. I didn't know who. I've never heard him
Speaker 1: called Bill Shatter before. So I went over there and uh,
Speaker 1: I get there. Tim girls outside peeing out in front
Speaker 1: of the house. So we go in, UM and we're
Speaker 1: just talking to me, Tim, Brad and Darius and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here looking like how'd I get in this room?
Speaker 1: How much money? These these are worth a lot? So
Speaker 1: then we grab the guitars and start playing Ntim was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we should do a song together. He said, Jimmy, here's
Speaker 1: my number, text me to do a song. I was like, now, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm the dude that if you give me your number
Speaker 1: and you say text me to do something, I'm going
Speaker 1: to text you. So I went to l a like
Speaker 1: two days after that and I wrote made for These
Speaker 1: um and I sent texted to Tim, was like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the song? He's like, dude,
Speaker 1: I love it. Let's do it. Then Brad I text
Speaker 1: had Freedom written like a year and a half before that. UM,
Speaker 1: I really with Ash and I'm gonna Matt Matt Rogers
Speaker 1: and he was like I love it. I was like perfect.
Speaker 1: And then the Darrison Charlie song. Man. I actually had
Speaker 1: another song I wanted to do with Darrison Charlie Um,
Speaker 1: but it was like a drinking song. And there's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we can't have the first song we do with Charlie
Speaker 1: Bride a drinking song. I was like a point. So
Speaker 1: the day after Kobe died, Um, I was writing it
Speaker 1: was me my bass player, take how Um, who was
Speaker 1: my first signing to my publishing company. He's Dope Um,
Speaker 1: Karry barl on Brandon Day. We wrote it the day
Speaker 1: after Kobe died and just think about life, man, you know,
Speaker 1: like life throw stuff at you, Like Kobe was probably
Speaker 1: one of the most motivated people I ever knew. Like
Speaker 1: every conversation I had with Kobe, I just left feeling
Speaker 1: more motivated, Like you know what, can't I do what
Speaker 1: people say I can't do, I gotta go do it.
Speaker 1: So that's what kind of how that song came about.
Speaker 1: So I called Charlie UM, gave it to Darius and
Speaker 1: they were like yeah, um, so that's kind of how
Speaker 1: that comes. I just reached out to everybody, and after
Speaker 1: I got everybody's yes that, I called the labels like hey,
Speaker 1: I'm this COLLABYP already got the artist. They all said, yes,
Speaker 1: I kind of did the work before even when what
Speaker 1: about Nellie um Nellie? He was in town. I saw him.
Speaker 1: I was walking the same building I was walking to
Speaker 1: for me and he was walking out. I text my manager, Yo,
Speaker 1: Nellie is in town. You find out why? He was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so he finds out what knows in towns in town, right,
Speaker 1: and then he said, hey, Nelly, correct with you to
Speaker 1: night at nine. But we wrote there like two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: and we had a show the next day in Minnesota's
Speaker 1: all right, It's a hard decision to stand right with
Speaker 1: Nelly or do I get on the tour bus because
Speaker 1: me and my band, we hang out on the tour bus.
Speaker 1: We play PlayStations, So don't play PlayStations right with Nelly.
Speaker 1: So I wrote with and then I just flew the
Speaker 1: Minnesota the next day. That's how that one worked. Let's see,
Speaker 1: so that I was gonna play some of Made for
Speaker 1: These which is you and McGraw, like, play me a
Speaker 1: clip of this those days. So if tim were two cent,
Speaker 1: because I'm assuming you guys did not record them at
Speaker 1: the same time, right, Like, he went and did his thing,
Speaker 1: and he sent it back to you. If you would
Speaker 1: have said something back that wasn't your vision and heck
Speaker 1: he didn't love would you have said, can we cut
Speaker 1: this a little different? Or oh you what? Yeh? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're creating music and you wanted
Speaker 1: to be the best and um, and I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of times people work with legends and stuff
Speaker 1: like that and they just like like, Okay, we'll just
Speaker 1: take it because they're on it. But I still want
Speaker 1: to be good, you know, I mean, and knowing Tim's capability,
Speaker 1: like he killed that. So I remember Tim told me said, dude,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make me like sing for real on this song.
Speaker 1: He said, because you're singing for real, so I have
Speaker 1: to sing for real. He killed it like he did
Speaker 1: his thing. But yeah, if I didn't feel it was
Speaker 1: done right, you know what I mean, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you mind redoing this part or we're doing that? Thing
Speaker 1: you can say is no or screw you. But he
Speaker 1: killed it, and I think you would say no or
Speaker 1: screw you if he didn't. Feel like, I think people
Speaker 1: are gonna kill me if I don't follow up on
Speaker 1: you saying the times that you've spoken with Kobe, how
Speaker 1: did you meet Kobe Bryant. Man, I met Kobe at
Speaker 1: a Lakers game backstage. Uh well, and like round in
Speaker 1: the locker room area and just shucks. I think I
Speaker 1: was a game when he was playing, or after he retired,
Speaker 1: he plan his plan. Um. I think it was two
Speaker 1: thousand and Chucks Swimming Kobe two. That was on five No.
Speaker 1: Two thousand six or twous that long ago. How did
Speaker 1: you get in the locker room in two thousand and six? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something about me. I used to
Speaker 1: sneak in a lot of places, bro. Like I've snuck
Speaker 1: in the Grammy parties. I've snuck into Seasick Awards. I
Speaker 1: snuck into the Seamaze before if I got a record deal.
Speaker 1: Because this is the thing. When you're a black guy
Speaker 1: with cowboy boots on and a leather jacket and you
Speaker 1: act like you know where you're going, nobody stops you.
Speaker 1: So I was sitting, Um, I was sitting like four
Speaker 1: rows up behind the Lakers bench, and I saw people
Speaker 1: just going backstage and get drinks. So I had a
Speaker 1: cover in my hand and I just followed another group
Speaker 1: of black guys. I think they were like rappers or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but nobody stopped me. Then I was
Speaker 1: back there just hanging out, act like I'm on my
Speaker 1: phone talking. Kobe walked by said hey, what's up to him?
Speaker 1: And how do you say? Hey, what's up to him?
Speaker 1: Just walking by though, Like I was like, col what up?
Speaker 1: Good to see you, bro, Act like I knew he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? He was like, he's like, what's your name?
Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy. Then again, because he thinks he probably
Speaker 1: met you at some point exactly, so I saw him there.
Speaker 1: Then I saw him in a few events before we bumped.
Speaker 1: We bumped into each other, like I think i've We've
Speaker 1: had about over fifty conversations. Did you ever get to
Speaker 1: the point where you guys just saw each It was
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Kobe, Oh yeah, I got to that point.
Speaker 1: Was it after you had started to get heat or
Speaker 1: get success that it was a bit of a peer
Speaker 1: to peer we're both then, Nah, it was more just
Speaker 1: he saw me everywhere, like at different events he was
Speaker 1: at in l A. I was there a couple events
Speaker 1: in Miami he was there. I was there, Like I
Speaker 1: used to like purposely put myself in places to meet
Speaker 1: people because I feel like, if you want to be successful,
Speaker 1: you gotta surround yourself with successful people. That's why I
Speaker 1: was killing myself when I first moved to town and
Speaker 1: move to Brentwood, because I knew most people lived in Brentwood's.
Speaker 1: I ran into people at the gym, the grocery store,
Speaker 1: at restaurants and I'll just talk to him. I was
Speaker 1: watching you playing one of the celebrity Maybe it was
Speaker 1: because I don't think they had an All Star Game
Speaker 1: last year, but the year before, were you playing in
Speaker 1: the Celebrity All Star Game? Now, I was Kane. I
Speaker 1: played in the Celebrity Game a few year. I watched
Speaker 1: you a few years ago. All my years are done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything it was. It was a monster. It was just monster.
Speaker 1: Inc celebrity game I did with Floyd Mayweather and like
Speaker 1: t O and Gronk and all of them. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the celebrity games to me are the same, And I
Speaker 1: don't know the difference than I just remember seeing you
Speaker 1: play and I was like, dang, who was the best
Speaker 1: celebrity basketball player on the court that night? Tar okay,
Speaker 1: but he played what Tennessee State? Yeah, yeah he was good.
Speaker 1: He was a college basketball Remove him. Remove anyone that
Speaker 1: played basketball at a high level. I'll ask you this,
Speaker 1: who is the best celebrity basketball player you've played with
Speaker 1: or against that wasn't a ball player, that wasn't a
Speaker 1: ball player. Probably Matt Stough. I beat him out here.
Speaker 1: Matt still can turns it on. I tell you this, though,
Speaker 1: I only beat him because we were shooting, and he's
Speaker 1: six six and plays like a guard, which is incredibly difficult.
Speaker 1: When Matt turns it on, he can hoop, Kane can hoop.
Speaker 1: I still think I'm better than both of them, for sure.
Speaker 1: Uh do you guys get competitive when you're with each
Speaker 1: other to the point where it'll get a bit chippy
Speaker 1: at times? Not really chippy, because you know, we're like
Speaker 1: we're out here playing, but at some point in the
Speaker 1: game we both want to win. So it's like when
Speaker 1: the game kind of gets close, well, you'll see people
Speaker 1: like really turning up, guys that love ball and like
Speaker 1: playball and competitive whether it's good or not. It kind
Speaker 1: of turns it up a little bit. Even Gator turns
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, Gators competitive hustle. I called him, like
Speaker 1: I say, he's an undersized white Dennis Rodman, an undersized
Speaker 1: white Dennis Rotten. Dude rebounds like nobody ever seen before,
Speaker 1: and his energy is crazy, crazy, scrappy. He's the type
Speaker 1: a person you want on your team. He's oddly a
Speaker 1: really good athlete, and I think he's goes to fifty
Speaker 1: now something like that. There's least seventy two for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the Disney kick about? Because every time on Instagram,
Speaker 1: not not recently, you've been pandemic though I've seen about
Speaker 1: five times a couple of days ago. I'm going again,
Speaker 1: what's the deal? What's the what's that rooted in? So
Speaker 1: I fell in love with walk I told you, like
Speaker 1: everyone that's motivated that comes from nothing I look up to,
Speaker 1: that goes to you. Kevin Hart Walt Disney like, this
Speaker 1: guy had his first character Oswald, stolen, came back, had nothing,
Speaker 1: took loans out, bet on himself, created Mickey who he
Speaker 1: was going to name Morti murder Mouse. I'm glad they wouldn't,
Speaker 1: but he just showed that, man, you bet on yourself.
Speaker 1: You worked your butt off. Um you you continue to
Speaker 1: work even in the face of no and officially you'll
Speaker 1: get where you want to go. So for me, that
Speaker 1: was the first thing I was attracted to who walk
Speaker 1: was like his determination. And then um, my family started
Speaker 1: going as the last place me and my grandma went
Speaker 1: before she died. Um, they had my daughter's baby reveale there.
Speaker 1: I got engaged there. Um, so something that's been a
Speaker 1: part of my family for a long time. So I
Speaker 1: love it. What do you do when you go? Are
Speaker 1: you riding rides or are you there are certain experiences
Speaker 1: that you like to hit a certain times. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the first thing I always do is go to Magic Kingdom.
Speaker 1: You gotta set the mood right, you know. Then I
Speaker 1: ride a Cansul of Progress. I'm a classic Disney fan. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I'll take a day, we'll do the VPP tours.
Speaker 1: We could just jump to the front of lines, just
Speaker 1: ride rides. After that, man, we chilled. Go to Animal Kingdom,
Speaker 1: walk around, um, go to Epcot, eat, drink, hang out.
Speaker 1: They got different festivals that they have come to me,
Speaker 1: like right now is Flowering Garden to light July three?
Speaker 1: And after that they got he knows the whole calendar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then after that they got uh food and wine.
Speaker 1: So like they have they have all their countries, but
Speaker 1: then they bring in other countries to they have different
Speaker 1: food stuff so and I love food. But for me,
Speaker 1: I never got to go to Disney as a kid.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't even go on vacation, but went
Speaker 1: first time to DOT in twelve, but Win was an adult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I went for the first time an adult too.
Speaker 1: And so I remember, since I worked for ABC and
Speaker 1: Disney owns ABC. We were after a shoot one day
Speaker 1: and the guy comes up and goes, hey, you know
Speaker 1: you go to Disney whenever you want and v I
Speaker 1: P Like, they give you a guide and you can go,
Speaker 1: and like they'll hook you up. And I was like really,
Speaker 1: I said, why never? I never been. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: then he said it's gonna ruin you because if you
Speaker 1: go and we send you with the Disney v I P,
Speaker 1: You're gonna cut every line. But you should do it.
Speaker 1: And I was out and we were shooting Idol and
Speaker 1: had a day off, which is very rare out there,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: And so I go, and you know, the the woman
Speaker 1: shows up. She doesn't like the plaid scard and she
Speaker 1: knows the history and you're finding the little Mickey Mouse
Speaker 1: is all over and I'm like a wide eyed kid
Speaker 1: because I've never been before. And so I started to
Speaker 1: feel guilty because it's a Saturday and we were cutting
Speaker 1: two and a half hour lines. We're just walking around people.
Speaker 1: But I didn't feel so guilty. I stopped. I felt guilty,
Speaker 1: but I still would still go to the front of
Speaker 1: the line. It was hard, and you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to sweat. So we get there and she says
Speaker 1: to me, she goes, hey, we're gonna walk with another
Speaker 1: group of v I P people. We're gonna take a
Speaker 1: little side under trail. And she's like, um, just disney
Speaker 1: Land and l A, this is Disneyland, and she says,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take this whole trip. Um, it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. You're gonna run in some people. But
Speaker 1: they were listen, I'm not famous, but they're so true, No,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. But they're so worried about people bothering
Speaker 1: famous people. And she's like, don't worry about anybody you're
Speaker 1: near is going to be you know, someone who's not
Speaker 1: gonna bother you. And I'm like, all right, and worried
Speaker 1: about that anyway, but okay. So we go down and
Speaker 1: there's this small lady long hair, and she's up ahead
Speaker 1: of me and she's just kind of bee bopping around
Speaker 1: a lot of energy. And I walked up beside her
Speaker 1: and she's gonna get ripped clothes on, ripped jeans, and
Speaker 1: I'm just walking on a look over and that small
Speaker 1: older lady with Steven Tyler, who who I had met
Speaker 1: a couple of times when he was in town and
Speaker 1: was extremely nice and when I was an idol, was
Speaker 1: he you went during that that him Randy and j Lo.
Speaker 1: Well he was so nice to me here, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to bother him or expect Steven Tyler of
Speaker 1: Aerosmith to remember me. So so we're walking beside she goes, hey,
Speaker 1: what what's happening to man? You just see something? Guy?
Speaker 1: You have a guy walking? Next time? I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how are you? And he goes Bobby B And I
Speaker 1: was like, are you kidding me? Steven Tyler recognizes me
Speaker 1: at Disney World with no prompt whatsoever. So my Disney
Speaker 1: experience was pretty good too, And Steven Tyler was there.
Speaker 1: Have you going to Disney World in Florida? Yet I
Speaker 1: went and had dinner there because I had a friend
Speaker 1: who now works at Apple Michael Bryan, who had programmed
Speaker 1: there before, and he was like, hey, I'll get you
Speaker 1: into that the greatest food place. But I haven't done
Speaker 1: all the park stuff there. See we do it now.
Speaker 1: So I went to My problem was in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve, I like, work three jobs and saved up
Speaker 1: enough and I took my mom and two of my sisters.
Speaker 1: We went um. But then I went to Disneyland after that.
Speaker 1: But Disneyland is so small compared to disney World. And
Speaker 1: now I remember we were just there a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, a week ago, and we got to v
Speaker 1: Happy Tour again, and then they have two sets of
Speaker 1: Happy Toys. They have some rep toys where you getting
Speaker 1: the fast past lane and if you're a quote unquote celebrity,
Speaker 1: they take you around the back through the exit and
Speaker 1: you literally just hop straight on the ride. And I
Speaker 1: felt so bad. I'm looking at these lines that are
Speaker 1: like two and a half hours, little kids out there
Speaker 1: waiting and sweating. But I didn't feel bad, you know why,
Speaker 1: because I've waited in lines before. When I first was like,
Speaker 1: you got this, kid, you work hard, man, you'll be
Speaker 1: here too. You got this. You're giving the kids that
Speaker 1: Kobe talked there two hours back in line man, hanging there,
Speaker 1: you do anything? You got this, I've waited in my
Speaker 1: lines with three hours. You once turned down a record
Speaker 1: deal from a label in l A that I read
Speaker 1: was gonna give you over a million dollars advance? Is
Speaker 1: that true now? Because did they want you to be
Speaker 1: a different kind of artist and you wanted to be
Speaker 1: or was it terms of the deal and both terms
Speaker 1: of the deal and the artists They wanted me in
Speaker 1: my band to be kind of like a hip hop
Speaker 1: version of One Republic. Um. So I wear when I'm
Speaker 1: not performing and I'm wearing sweats and sneakers all day,
Speaker 1: but on stage, I love my boots. Um, I love
Speaker 1: my jeans. Uh. They told me they didn't want me
Speaker 1: to dip. I had had my dip. Can they want
Speaker 1: the songs to be more hip hop influenced to where
Speaker 1: I love? I do love hip hop. I include hip hop,
Speaker 1: R and b rock and all that stuff in my
Speaker 1: music now, but it's it's intentional where I placed, they
Speaker 1: wanted to just be heavy hip hop loop um, no
Speaker 1: no live bands, none of that. So I was just
Speaker 1: like h and then with that, with that advance, I
Speaker 1: still had to take my money for myself out of it,
Speaker 1: and then my band, and then I had to you know,
Speaker 1: uh pay for my first album with that, you know,
Speaker 1: then you got taxes, and then so when it really
Speaker 1: dwindles down, then you gotta pay it back. Right the
Speaker 1: word advances where it's at, it's a loan, you know.
Speaker 1: So for me it was just like nah, you know.
Speaker 1: But for me, it really just came down to music
Speaker 1: and creativity and kind of what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I have a what other people see
Speaker 1: it or not, I kind of a vision kind of
Speaker 1: for like my life, music, TV, film, radio, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Um So if something doesn't align with my vision, no
Speaker 1: matter how great the opportunity might seem to someone else,
Speaker 1: it's just not for me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it hard to and I could probably understand and
Speaker 1: have empathy for the situation for you, Is it hard
Speaker 1: now growing up with nothing to turn down really great
Speaker 1: paying opportunities because they're right on the fence of feeling
Speaker 1: right or just chasing the money. Man, it's hard to
Speaker 1: turn it down sometimes. Um But I feel like you
Speaker 1: can devalue yourself a lot of times and just saying
Speaker 1: yes to everything, um, no matter how big the money is,
Speaker 1: because no, every every time you sign on to do something,
Speaker 1: you're giving a piece of yourself away. So my thing is,
Speaker 1: if I give a piece of myself away, is it
Speaker 1: worth it? You know what I mean? Does it align
Speaker 1: with my vision? Um? Career? Does align with my vision
Speaker 1: as a as a person? Like morally? Does it align
Speaker 1: with with what I want to do? But so what
Speaker 1: do you want to do musically? Like? What right now?
Speaker 1: Where are you in your head and what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do musically? Not even close? Um? I want to
Speaker 1: want to continue to put music out, you know more.
Speaker 1: My plan is hopefully one day be able to headline
Speaker 1: arenas Um. But to me, that's a piece of it.
Speaker 1: What about the kind of music you're making? Oh? I
Speaker 1: love the kind of music I'm making? Um? At some point, um,
Speaker 1: knowing me, I would probably do uh like a straight
Speaker 1: just like Latin slash reggae album. At some points I
Speaker 1: love Latin music. Um, I'll um uh where does that
Speaker 1: come from? Where does this? Where does the love of
Speaker 1: Latin music come from? In your life? Growing up at
Speaker 1: kid in Delaware, man, I listened to everything like my
Speaker 1: dad only listen to country, and my mom won't listen
Speaker 1: to Christian, But I listen to everything growing up, Latin music,
Speaker 1: you know, blues, rock, hip hop, R and B, jazz, classical, Um, Broadway.
Speaker 1: I want to do a full on musical theater album,
Speaker 1: like twelve songs and songs that were being a play. Um,
Speaker 1: I just love it. So that's why I like two.
Speaker 1: My planning to take four months off, go to New
Speaker 1: York the Browers show, Uh do that we're working on
Speaker 1: some TV movies. Go to New York and do a
Speaker 1: Broadway show. What do you mean do? Like like Jennifer Nettles,
Speaker 1: like when they go up and they're just a part
Speaker 1: of a show and they live up there, part of
Speaker 1: the show. So I'll take four months. My plan is
Speaker 1: to be Aarin Burr in Hamilton's. Um did they know
Speaker 1: that yet? Uh, they're they're about to. Uh U t
Speaker 1: A is working on that right now. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take four months off, just gonna be a special
Speaker 1: guest Aaron Burr. Listen, I know you stay off. I
Speaker 1: got friends on Broadway. That's opposite off. Yeah, no it's not,
Speaker 1: it's I mean off from touring. Yeah, it's eight shows
Speaker 1: in six days. Yeah, it's right, it's a it is
Speaker 1: a run. That's cool. Listen. I think sometimes people get
Speaker 1: frustrated when they see people that want to do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things because they think people are only
Speaker 1: able to do a few things. Well, do you feel
Speaker 1: like your labels like at times? Because I can tell
Speaker 1: you at times my radio company has been like, hey,
Speaker 1: why are you doing TV projects? Why are you touring?
Speaker 1: Stand up? Like, how are you able to put all
Speaker 1: of your effort into radio if you're doing these other things?
Speaker 1: And what people don't understand, it's all about expanding the brand.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's about filling my cup. So I'm
Speaker 1: better at everything. If I feel good. Like one of
Speaker 1: my buds, i'd call him a friend. Dion Sanders always says,
Speaker 1: if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good,
Speaker 1: you play good. If you play good, they pay good exactly.
Speaker 1: And if I'm doing things that I love, I'm better
Speaker 1: at all the things that I'm doing because I feel
Speaker 1: more fulfilled. I just wonder if you've got any pushback
Speaker 1: from your people, and I have. You know, I've gotten
Speaker 1: some pushback for me before, Like I remember when I
Speaker 1: was writing this kid's book, comes out July thirte By
Speaker 1: the way, come my voice is a trumpet. Um. They
Speaker 1: were concerned about that, Well, how is it gonna have
Speaker 1: time to write? I'm fine with with music, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: like the TV and film I want to do, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know there's a show I can't say it yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm musical director now for this new Netflix show
Speaker 1: that comes out this year. Um from doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: doing radio, TV spots whatever. But for me, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I have to do everything I want to do.
Speaker 1: If I don't, I will go insane Because I tell people,
Speaker 1: being a touring country artist is just a piece what
Speaker 1: I want to do, not everything. Now there's some people
Speaker 1: like that's it for them. They just wanna you know,
Speaker 1: write country songs, have songs on radio and tour. That's
Speaker 1: great for them. But for me, it's not. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I could win every c M A every a CM
Speaker 1: have number ones out of number one, selling out of
Speaker 1: readers across the world. I still wouldn't be happy because
Speaker 1: that's only a piece of what I want to do,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and again, like I
Speaker 1: tell people, you have to do what's best for you.
Speaker 1: What's gonna feel you, you know, and half the people
Speaker 1: tell them me that I shouldn't do it. Are also
Speaker 1: people to grow up in two parent homes with money
Speaker 1: as a kid. All right, listen, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming. By way. We haven't done this
Speaker 1: since the very beginning. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's
Speaker 1: a very very beginning. You came to the other place
Speaker 1: and we did it upstairs, and I got the calls
Speaker 1: gonna be on it. I was like, hey, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: goes like it's been a while. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you just in general. I think you're great for Nashville,
Speaker 1: just what you stand for. And there's not even country
Speaker 1: music artists, but to show people, listen, you don't have
Speaker 1: to just do one thing. If you don't just want
Speaker 1: to do one thing, you can specialize if you want.
Speaker 1: You can specialize in a lot of things if you
Speaker 1: want facts. So let's go, all right, Jimmy Allen at
Speaker 1: Jimmy Alan. There you go. Moving on to number three,
Speaker 1: and we're going with Scott's staff of Creed. I think
Speaker 1: this is hands down one of the coolest interviews we've
Speaker 1: ever done. And Bobby and I were both super excited
Speaker 1: about it, and as a producer of this podcast, I
Speaker 1: rarely get nervous about guests. I've had the chance to
Speaker 1: meet everybody in country music to the point to where
Speaker 1: you know, it's just somebody coming in for an interview.
Speaker 1: You're I'm focused more on what's going to happen once
Speaker 1: they sit down, that everything's perfect in line. The actual
Speaker 1: them coming into the studio doesn't make me nervous at all. However,
Speaker 1: when I was sitting across from Scott's staff, it made
Speaker 1: me nervous. And this one was so good, Like I
Speaker 1: was so just in it. When we were recording it,
Speaker 1: I was worried something was gonna go wrong with the audio.
Speaker 1: I was gonna lose the file. I think I was
Speaker 1: so relieved when it was over. I hit stop and
Speaker 1: saved this episode because I was like, this is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest things that ever happened in the history
Speaker 1: of this podcast. It was also the one that probably
Speaker 1: took the longest to book. Usually we booked all of
Speaker 1: our guests at the beginning of the month. With this one,
Speaker 1: I think it was like three months out where we
Speaker 1: had to book Scott's staff. We're trying to get him
Speaker 1: on the radio show. We're trying to get them to
Speaker 1: come in and perform, and then we finally settled, which
Speaker 1: I think was the best option of having given them
Speaker 1: on the podcast because we're able to sit down for
Speaker 1: an hour and talk about literally everything. So this was awesome.
Speaker 1: At number three is Scott's staff the lead singer of Creed. Alright, well,
Speaker 1: it's Scott's staff of Creed. And most of the time
Speaker 1: when friends come over, their friends and their buddies and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, let's do this because they're promoting something
Speaker 1: or or it's it's a fun conversation, But rarely do
Speaker 1: I get to have someone in that I have been
Speaker 1: a genuine fan of for twenty years, and so like,
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that you took the time to come over
Speaker 1: here and hang out and let me talk with you,
Speaker 1: because again, I'm a fan and it's rare for me
Speaker 1: to get to talk to someone in that capacity. Man,
Speaker 1: thank you. That means a lot, bro, thank you, and
Speaker 1: it's awesome to be here. Good times. I was kind
Speaker 1: of looking back at some of the older um in
Speaker 1: our younger days. Whenever you guys got together and there's
Speaker 1: a big Florida State presence in the band because that's
Speaker 1: where you you guys met to begin with. Right. And
Speaker 1: so you go to Florida State, And what was your
Speaker 1: idea when you go to college? Like, what did you
Speaker 1: want to be when you have to Florida State Because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't go to Florida State to
Speaker 1: go I want to be in a band and be
Speaker 1: a big star. Right. Well, I mean, I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you. The only reason that I left Orlando to
Speaker 1: go to Tallahassee, uh and to end up going to
Speaker 1: school at Florida State, it was because I was reading
Speaker 1: a biography about The Doors and read that Jim Morrison,
Speaker 1: whom I was a huge fan of and a huge
Speaker 1: fan of The Doors, I went to Florida State, and
Speaker 1: in my naive, uh nineteen eighteen or nineteen year old
Speaker 1: mind at the time, I thought, well, hey, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's just the way that that you meet music
Speaker 1: and start a band and it yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: went there with the specific goal of meeting musicians to
Speaker 1: start a band. Uh. And that was that was the goal.
Speaker 1: Did you have the major? Well? I did, um, it
Speaker 1: was communications and minor in English and uh. And like
Speaker 1: I think I had like three or four miners because
Speaker 1: I kept changing my major, Like I think it started
Speaker 1: out as like philosophy and and uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: and you know, so I got a lot of miners
Speaker 1: and and and you know. My backup plan, which I
Speaker 1: didn't really focus on too much, was I was going
Speaker 1: to go to law school. Uh and uh and do that.
Speaker 1: And you've written massive songs of the crew basically everything.
Speaker 1: How I have songwriter friends women do with their whole life.
Speaker 1: I have written hit and they're really good. You hadn't
Speaker 1: done it at all. And then you started writing songs
Speaker 1: and you have so many, Like how easily or was
Speaker 1: it not easy for you to start writing songs and
Speaker 1: actually were good catchy songs hooks, you know. I think
Speaker 1: I think we wrote probably seven or eight songs that,
Speaker 1: you know, in trying to find our sound. And then
Speaker 1: we wrote a song called Grip My Soul, which never
Speaker 1: made a record, should have, but it didn't make the record.
Speaker 1: We didn't record it, or maybe we did record it,
Speaker 1: but it didn't make the record. That might have been
Speaker 1: our eighth or ninth song. And I remember when we
Speaker 1: wrote that song, we all looked at each other and
Speaker 1: Mark and I specifically and we're like, okay, we got it.
Speaker 1: We figured this is it. We figured it out, and
Speaker 1: from that moment on, uh, what you hear on my
Speaker 1: prison was written. We I mean literally only probably once
Speaker 1: we figured out what our sound was from Grip my
Speaker 1: soul to what was recorded on my own prison. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean we probably only wrote fourteen songs and and
Speaker 1: total since Mark and I were together, maybe twenty songs,
Speaker 1: which is a very low number. For those were the
Speaker 1: first twenty songs I had ever written in my life.
Speaker 1: And that's my point exactly. Like I have friends that
Speaker 1: have been doing it for twenty years. They wrote they
Speaker 1: write sixty songs for a record. Now. The only thing
Speaker 1: I can think of, man, is that that you know,
Speaker 1: the the artist that I listened to, you know, being
Speaker 1: YouTube also you know growing up listening uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the only thing that was allowed in my home growing
Speaker 1: up was was Christian rock or Christian artists. Um. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I would listen to a lot of
Speaker 1: Takes six and I think that's who taught me how
Speaker 1: to sing, because I would sing along with those records
Speaker 1: and sing every vocal part on that record. And then
Speaker 1: d C Talk, which is became just between which became
Speaker 1: which became Toby mac Um that was allowed in my house.
Speaker 1: And and then you toube because the same thing that
Speaker 1: people ended up doing with Creed, that we're in Christian
Speaker 1: homes saying wait, wait there, Christian band, mom and dad,
Speaker 1: even though Creed wasn't an official Christian band. Just you
Speaker 1: Too is not a Christian band, but Bono is a
Speaker 1: Christian um And so I snuck Josh Retreat, got it
Speaker 1: into my house and was able to listen to that
Speaker 1: by telling my parents that they were a Christian band.
Speaker 1: But I think those those bands that I listened to
Speaker 1: growing up. Stryper was another one. Uh that was was
Speaker 1: a jam uh in my house. But I think all
Speaker 1: that was just imprinted in my brain. I think song
Speaker 1: structure and how to write songs based on those records
Speaker 1: was just imprinted in my brain. Mark the same way
Speaker 1: Mark was, He was much more. He was much different
Speaker 1: than me, and that Mark knew what he wanted to
Speaker 1: do when he was probably ten or eleven years old.
Speaker 1: Mark knew he wanted to be in a rock band,
Speaker 1: play guitar and write songs and be a singer and
Speaker 1: a guitar player. He knew Um at least that that's
Speaker 1: how I recall it. And so he he he, he
Speaker 1: knew all these bands that I had never heard of.
Speaker 1: He he learned all you know, he probably knew hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of songs on guitar, you know, by learning
Speaker 1: him on tab and and just listening and playing them.
Speaker 1: So of course that taught him song structure and and
Speaker 1: taught him. So I think me just just hearing that
Speaker 1: in him, I think we just inherently new structure and
Speaker 1: how to put a song together, um and and and
Speaker 1: then it just came out once we got together. We
Speaker 1: didn't think too much about it. We never sat down
Speaker 1: and thought, um, let's write a radio song, or or
Speaker 1: we need to do this. We we were just like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's the verse, that's the chorus, that's this. We never
Speaker 1: we never put any pressure on ourselves. We just wrote
Speaker 1: what made us feel good, because in the beginning we
Speaker 1: were just playing for us. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: my own prison. I'm gonna play a few of these
Speaker 1: hooks here here is actually my own prison. Whenever I
Speaker 1: hear U saw from like when I mean like I
Speaker 1: feel like I felt, then music does that, Like when
Speaker 1: you hear a song that reminds you of a really
Speaker 1: big part of your life. For a second, you feel
Speaker 1: that part of your life again. And this record does
Speaker 1: that to me? Is the record in general torn? Here's
Speaker 1: a clip of Dorm What's This Life For? What's What?
Speaker 1: Which was a rock number one for you guys? Was
Speaker 1: this a big separator for you guys? Did this one
Speaker 1: turn you guys from a national known band to like
Speaker 1: a whoa, here they come? I think, you know, My
Speaker 1: Own Prison went all four of our first singles went
Speaker 1: number one at rock and I think it was a
Speaker 1: build um And then you know my Own Prison was
Speaker 1: our first video that was on MTV and v H one. UM.
Speaker 1: And then What's This Life For? I think was our
Speaker 1: second video that was on MTV, n v H one,
Speaker 1: and it was more of a It had more of
Speaker 1: a appeal to a wider audience. What's this Life Ford did?
Speaker 1: I think that's when I felt other people were knowing
Speaker 1: about you get because the edge Dallas, I would have
Speaker 1: a friend record, take a cassette tape because your kids
Speaker 1: now don't know. You do record, play pause and you
Speaker 1: undo pause, you record what's on the radio. And I
Speaker 1: have a friend send it to me and he was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta hear Creed What's This Life For? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I already been known about Creed, but I
Speaker 1: felt like that song. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely think
Speaker 1: that that just you know, expanded it even further. And
Speaker 1: I think the video had had a lot to do
Speaker 1: do with that too, And I think it was it
Speaker 1: was really palatable, um, you know, to a wider audience. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think we began to see our audience by
Speaker 1: by the time What's This Life For? And then once one,
Speaker 1: the song one became a single and and had its time,
Speaker 1: our audience really expanded from and was a mix of
Speaker 1: men and women. And initially it was just you know dudes, um,
Speaker 1: based on our first two singles, you know, into heavy
Speaker 1: you know, heavy aggressive rock. But those two songs showed
Speaker 1: a different side of the band and began to really
Speaker 1: open up our audience. Uh. And then you know the
Speaker 1: next record, you know, with Higher and did you feel
Speaker 1: the rocket ship for the first record you make it?
Speaker 1: You don't spend a lot of money on it, but
Speaker 1: you're hustling, right, You've got fake representatives going to record stores.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are in the hustle, right, do you
Speaker 1: feel the rocket ship, or do you just realize, oh boy,
Speaker 1: we're on it now. We expected it. We we were
Speaker 1: so at least I did. I had this blind confidence
Speaker 1: and and I had these blinders on, and I just
Speaker 1: thought that it was gonna happen. I just had such
Speaker 1: belief in the music that we were creating. And then
Speaker 1: once we made the CD, and then once the record
Speaker 1: label started coming down, I just thought that, Hey, here
Speaker 1: it is. We're gonna be playing arenas soon. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you get a record deal and
Speaker 1: you get on the radio, you play arenas. That that's idea.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that that was only the beginning,
Speaker 1: and and the chances of you you know, even making
Speaker 1: it past your first single were slim to none. You know,
Speaker 1: I was so naive. Um, But I think that was
Speaker 1: a that was actually a benefit to me at the time,
Speaker 1: because it took away any fear or doubt or or
Speaker 1: or anything that could stand in the way of of me, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, achieving uh and and giving what I needed
Speaker 1: to give from my standpoint to make it happen. And
Speaker 1: I think it was contagious, uh to the guys in
Speaker 1: the band um, and and we all just had this belief,
Speaker 1: um in what we were doing and and uh we
Speaker 1: didn't We didn't think it would turn out any other way.
Speaker 1: With you guys having your music already made and knowing
Speaker 1: who you were as a band, did that make your
Speaker 1: first deal easier to actually know what you wanted to
Speaker 1: not get ripped off? Well, here here's another funny story
Speaker 1: or not funny story. But we almost didn't have a
Speaker 1: record deal. We had literally every major label interested, um,
Speaker 1: and then one by one they started bowing out. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, they just they're interested, They're down, they're
Speaker 1: talking with our managers, their meetings, they're talking with our
Speaker 1: big New York lawyer that we had. Uh. They got
Speaker 1: everybody signed, uh you know, and one by one they
Speaker 1: would bail. And then it came down to Atlantic Records,
Speaker 1: uh and the two knicks uh that we were talking to,
Speaker 1: and we were in their offices uh meetings, New York
Speaker 1: back and we were ad percent sure that that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was going to be Atlantic Records, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: negotiations were going on the whole nine yards. I think
Speaker 1: they ended up signing a band instead of us called
Speaker 1: Seven Mary three, right and uh, and so we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what are we gonna do? How was
Speaker 1: everybody dropping? Do you do? You know, I have no idea?
Speaker 1: And uh then this little company never signed a band before. Ah.
Speaker 1: A woman named Diana Meltzer and her husband Alan Meltzer.
Speaker 1: They had just started a label called wind Up Records,
Speaker 1: and somehow, I think through our lawyer are Blue Collar
Speaker 1: Records c D got in Diana Meltzer's hands and she
Speaker 1: heard it and she's was convinced that this She had
Speaker 1: to sign this band. She had to sign this band. Uh.
Speaker 1: So she told her husband Alan, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: hassee and I'm signing this band. Whether you come with
Speaker 1: me or not. He came. He ended up listening to
Speaker 1: the c D. He loved it. They came. Um, you
Speaker 1: know it was so funny. I remember looking in the
Speaker 1: crowd and you know, there wasn't that many people there
Speaker 1: at that particular time. Um, and they looked like they
Speaker 1: were in the mafia. You know. There was there was
Speaker 1: this little guy in an all black suit, you know,
Speaker 1: New York looking guy, and and his wife and all
Speaker 1: black and and and we were like, whoa, who are
Speaker 1: these two mafia people in the crowd and they were
Speaker 1: standing in the center and they were just rocking out,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh and then we our managers came
Speaker 1: and said, uh, there's some record company folks that want
Speaker 1: to meet with you guys afterwards. So we went to
Speaker 1: this bar next door and it had like a rooftop bar,
Speaker 1: and we went up there and we talked and and
Speaker 1: they said, we want to sign you. And this is
Speaker 1: right after we had, you know, been basically passed on
Speaker 1: by everybody else, and we had no other option. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in looking back, it was the greatest thing that
Speaker 1: could ever happen to us, because this man was a
Speaker 1: very successful businessman and he was starting a new business
Speaker 1: and we got all the attention from his company, and
Speaker 1: he did not want to fail. And he was a gambler.
Speaker 1: We didn't learn that until later on in life that
Speaker 1: he was a gambler. Uh. But he put all his
Speaker 1: resources uh into into the band. Uh and uh. But
Speaker 1: again we had no we had no other options, so
Speaker 1: we we took it and uh, you know, again naive,
Speaker 1: but he knew what he was doing. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: we signed with little little wind up records, the engine
Speaker 1: that could uh and uh. The rest is history. Did
Speaker 1: you guys make any money off the first record after
Speaker 1: signing with them, because it did so well. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: money started coming in. Yeah, I mean we we we
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good deal. It's a bad deal.
Speaker 1: What about your publishing from writing the song? Did you
Speaker 1: get paid from that differently? Uh? We we got paid. No,
Speaker 1: we we got publishing, we got recording, we got royalties. Um,
Speaker 1: we just got a tiny advance and and just probably
Speaker 1: you know, your basic crappy record deal that that was
Speaker 1: probably pretty standard in in n um you know, I
Speaker 1: mean our publishing deal. We still owned you know, the
Speaker 1: vast majority of our publishing of course, um. And and
Speaker 1: then had the typical probably standard record deal. Um. But
Speaker 1: the record you know, went six times platinum, I believe. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so we definitely uh you know recouped because they
Speaker 1: used our demo. Man, they didn't just use the record
Speaker 1: spent six right, and so we had nothing to recoup
Speaker 1: except you know, a couple of music videos, uh and
Speaker 1: maybe some tour support early on. Uh. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, our lives changed really quick. You know what
Speaker 1: is that like you talk about a rocketship. When your
Speaker 1: lives changed so quickly, do you go crazy or a,
Speaker 1: you scared it was. It was happening, Uh, so fast,
Speaker 1: and it was so awesome and it was such a
Speaker 1: high and so exciting. Uh, and our dreams were coming true.
Speaker 1: We were just enjoying every minute of it, man, Um,
Speaker 1: without the thought of of it could ever end. You know,
Speaker 1: we were just caught up in it. Did you guys
Speaker 1: get a plane eventually? Yeah? After after Human Clay we
Speaker 1: had a plane. We had a G five. Come on, Um,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, man, I mean, but
Speaker 1: Human Clay was so big, like it was next level.
Speaker 1: When when Higher comes out, I mean, just that drum
Speaker 1: part and you singing like that to me personifies that
Speaker 1: whole like to your two thousand like time period in music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Higher, what's and here's we'll play the club
Speaker 1: of Higher in cause you have eleven under a rock
Speaker 1: or your twelve? Was this another level for you guys
Speaker 1: with a song? Yea, this took us this, this, it
Speaker 1: took us to another level. Um, it took us higher,
Speaker 1: pun intended. Uh and uh. And then you know there
Speaker 1: was another song on this record. What if that was
Speaker 1: tied in with the Scream three um movie? Uh? And
Speaker 1: so we did a video uh with all the screen
Speaker 1: three you know, actors, and and and and that also
Speaker 1: you know, to have that title track for a soundtrack
Speaker 1: and the whole movie machine behind that gave us exposure
Speaker 1: to you know, another great greater portion of the world,
Speaker 1: and and uh and then higher and then you know,
Speaker 1: and then the grand slam that just took it, you know,
Speaker 1: to the stratosphere. Um was arms wide open, which which
Speaker 1: came later. I remember vividly that heartbeat and I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a radio version or the album version,
Speaker 1: but it would be like, yeah, yeah, then well I
Speaker 1: just heard that. That heartbeat still sits with me, like
Speaker 1: that song comes out because that was a number one
Speaker 1: pop song too. Yeah, like that's you beating everybody right again.
Speaker 1: It had to be just another notch of what is
Speaker 1: happening with our life right now. It was we were
Speaker 1: in it and enjoying, enjoying it and just living it.
Speaker 1: And and like I, like I said earlier, we or
Speaker 1: at least I let me just speak for me. I
Speaker 1: thought that's what was supposed to happen to a band
Speaker 1: when they got a record deal and got on the radio.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until years later that that's not what
Speaker 1: happens to every band that gets a record deal and
Speaker 1: gets on the radio. But in that moment, I did
Speaker 1: so I thought everything that was happening was just what
Speaker 1: was supposed to happen, you know what I mean? Um,
Speaker 1: what would you go back and tell that kid? Though? Now,
Speaker 1: oh man, I can tell that kid a lot. Um Man,
Speaker 1: appreciate uh the people around you. Let them know, even
Speaker 1: though you may appreciate them, let them know on a
Speaker 1: regular basis. Uh. You know, I was so caught up
Speaker 1: in and and you know, I had a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 1: Uh that's one issue that I dealt with, you know.
Speaker 1: And so every day that we had a big show
Speaker 1: in front of an arena crowd or or wherever, you know,
Speaker 1: I was nervous all day long. And so I would
Speaker 1: I would kind of isolate myself because I was just
Speaker 1: nervous and didn't want to mess up and whatnot. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I would tell that guy, hey, chill man
Speaker 1: and and and just appreciate the people around you more
Speaker 1: and let them know, you know, And and I did periodically,
Speaker 1: but I would do more. Um also also spend more
Speaker 1: time uh nurturing all the relationships that you make uh
Speaker 1: in this business. Um. You know, I was so caught
Speaker 1: up in what I had to do and in the
Speaker 1: in creed and in writing the songs. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: know that I think this peripheral things I didn't pay
Speaker 1: enough attention to, uh that you know, as a more
Speaker 1: mature human being now I realized are so important. I mean,
Speaker 1: it takes a team. You know. It wasn't just the
Speaker 1: band that was doing everything. Uh, it's it's the team. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think I would definitely and
Speaker 1: and also I would have I would have told myself, um,
Speaker 1: you know, two look at it. This is a job too,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and it's not just
Speaker 1: one big party, it's you know, uh. And so definitely
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to say to my younger
Speaker 1: self about relationships, about taking care of my myself mentally
Speaker 1: and physically. Um. And and just appreciating every moment and
Speaker 1: the people around me, like I said, um, and and
Speaker 1: preserving and nurturing um, those those relationships. Despite what I
Speaker 1: was going through at the time, would you get nervous
Speaker 1: when a record would come out because you know my
Speaker 1: own prison, Probably not because you hustled, but then after
Speaker 1: it's a success and human Clay is about to come out,
Speaker 1: or whether it's about to come out, are you like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta beat the last and or you just go
Speaker 1: and let's just go fire them off. We were in
Speaker 1: such a rapid motion from making a record, promoting singles
Speaker 1: tour right back in the studio. We we wrote Human
Speaker 1: Clay on tour because we only had like ten or
Speaker 1: eleven songs to play and and so we were like,
Speaker 1: we gotta write some more songs. So we were playing um,
Speaker 1: you know say I and Faceless Man and and some
Speaker 1: other songs off of Human Clay eventually Arms Wide Open,
Speaker 1: Um and probably even higher uh live prior to recording
Speaker 1: them on the album UM, and so you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of would see how the fans would react. You know,
Speaker 1: they were getting positive reactions, and so we just we
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about failure. We we we never we never
Speaker 1: thought about that. Uh, looking back, We just were so
Speaker 1: focused on what we were doing in that moment and
Speaker 1: U that the doubt didn't come in. We didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't set any expectations on ourselves. With Arms Wide Open
Speaker 1: written about your son, Yes, it was about it was
Speaker 1: It was inspired when I found out I was going
Speaker 1: to be a father for the first time. Yeah. Is
Speaker 1: he an adult now? Yes? Why wild Like that's what
Speaker 1: I'm like, How old am I? That's one of those
Speaker 1: moments where you're like, well, yeah, well it's it's funny
Speaker 1: that that. You know, my other three children, um, they
Speaker 1: all know the song and it's it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it's a family song. Now, it's for all of it's
Speaker 1: for all of it's for all of you. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just inspired by your big brother,
Speaker 1: but it's for you too. He's at Scott's staff on
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok um creed Instagram. Is still you guys
Speaker 1: are still to me? You still rolling? Yeah? Man, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still rolling. Yes they are. Let's go. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You heard it here, Let's go. I will be from
Speaker 1: roh alright, Scott, great to see you, Thank you, great
Speaker 1: to see you. Thanks for having me. Bobby at number two,
Speaker 1: we're going with Reba McIntyre. Now, it's crazy to me
Speaker 1: that Reba just came over to Bobby's house and we
Speaker 1: recorded an interview with her and one of the most
Speaker 1: genuine people I've ever met, and to be an icon
Speaker 1: in country music, you never expect her to be as
Speaker 1: nice as she is. But she pulled up, got out
Speaker 1: of her car, walked in the door, and immediately looked
Speaker 1: at me and introduced herself. She's like, Hey, I'm Reba,
Speaker 1: and this is somebody who everybody can recognize. Reba a
Speaker 1: person who does not have to introduce herself at any cost,
Speaker 1: but she did. It just kind of shows you the
Speaker 1: person she is. And when it comes to the really
Speaker 1: successful people in music, they are always the nicest. It's
Speaker 1: always the icons who are the nicest. People like Garth,
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, Reba have all had that same quality when
Speaker 1: I've had the chance to meet them. And this is
Speaker 1: another one we've been wanting to do for a very
Speaker 1: long time. All the stars finally a line and we
Speaker 1: were able to sit down with Reba. So here it
Speaker 1: is at number two, Reba McIntyre in studio with Reba.
Speaker 1: At what point did it just turn into just Reba Gosh?
Speaker 1: I think in um Nanny four, was that a conscious
Speaker 1: decision by you and your team to go, I want
Speaker 1: to be an icon, so let's just go with Reba
Speaker 1: or it was a Marvel's idea. Yeah, And I liked
Speaker 1: it because only when I signed my autograph. I only
Speaker 1: had to put Reba because I'm lazy. Now it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird to hear McIntyre. Yeah, I like it. When
Speaker 1: I'm doing liners and things, I say, have Reba McIntyre
Speaker 1: because that has a cadence for me. But just to
Speaker 1: do Reba's fund with me too, I go with it.
Speaker 1: I guess you have to drag out Reba. I'm Reba Reba. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Reba McIntyre. It just sounds better to me. It's
Speaker 1: funny to see, whenever you look at your career, even today,
Speaker 1: how relevant you are pop culture wise. Today I'm watching
Speaker 1: ted Lasso and they're like, hey, we love the tickets
Speaker 1: under Reba McIntyre, and so that that itself. And we
Speaker 1: watched that episode I think two weeks ago, right did
Speaker 1: they Did you know that was going to be in
Speaker 1: that show at all? No? I was sitting there with
Speaker 1: riddenl Or, my dog. I was sitting there watching TV
Speaker 1: and and Roy Kent, my favorite character of the whole show,
Speaker 1: comes up and says, I think you're holding a ticket
Speaker 1: for Rebo McIntyre, went Riddler, did you hear that? I
Speaker 1: was through? Marty said the same thing. She's sitting there
Speaker 1: with her dog Cooper. So it was it was fun
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing because I'm on TikTok a
Speaker 1: lot when you know I'm a survivor, is I must
Speaker 1: And it's everybody doing like their little household things. You know,
Speaker 1: someone you know throws away the trash. You know that
Speaker 1: became and it still is a huge you know TikTok trend.
Speaker 1: That did that come out of nowhere for you too?
Speaker 1: And did someone come up and go read all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this song is massive on TikTok. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think Justin was the one. He sent it over to me,
Speaker 1: Justin McIntosh and uh he said, look at this, looks
Speaker 1: what's look what's going on? And I said, well that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I said, these kids weren't even born probably
Speaker 1: when it was out first time, and he said, we
Speaker 1: need to do one. So we did and then it
Speaker 1: just got bigger and bigger, very flattering. It's it's it's on.
Speaker 1: For a few weeks that was the most the thing
Speaker 1: that I had seen the most. Now what's odd is
Speaker 1: that um uh neon moon is having its tow Ronnie.
Speaker 1: It texts me and goes, hey, what's happening here? And
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, what's happening? And
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. The guy that runs TikTok
Speaker 1: he was like, our our song is being played all
Speaker 1: over the place. It's got some mix and then now
Speaker 1: there's like a dance to it. But it is really
Speaker 1: cool to see out and it's the easiest dance too,
Speaker 1: And some of those dances I look at I can't do.
Speaker 1: But it's like the Eat. But that song that Mike
Speaker 1: that remix everywhere, isn't it everywhere? I'm a Survivor and
Speaker 1: Neon Moon are probably other than Walker Hayes's fancy, like
Speaker 1: like the two biggest songs on TikTok, but it's it's
Speaker 1: just cool to see. I wouldn't even say every you
Speaker 1: know generation, which I would say like ten years, but
Speaker 1: it's like you just stay relevant and if someone comes
Speaker 1: to you and says, you know, what's the keyest sting,
Speaker 1: what how do you do it? How do I do
Speaker 1: do it? I don't do nothing. I've got a great
Speaker 1: team that come up there young. They can think of
Speaker 1: great things for me to do, and I just go
Speaker 1: do it. And thank god, fans like that thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting enough to sit on the toilet seat and
Speaker 1: change the role of toilet paper paper and then turn
Speaker 1: into rebund good job. You know, I'm a survivor. It's
Speaker 1: just cute things like that. I'm very flattered more than anything.
Speaker 1: The songwriters, I mean I I text them and I
Speaker 1: sent the TikTok over to them saying, look what's going
Speaker 1: on for y'all song? So it's something we can all
Speaker 1: can share and celebrate with. But it is so good
Speaker 1: and it proves one thing, a great song will live forever.
Speaker 1: The you did a whole album with different remixes on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was the remix album inspired by it kind of blowing
Speaker 1: up again or were you already in the works with
Speaker 1: that before it blew up on TikTok? Cindy maybe came
Speaker 1: up with the idea of revisiting the catalog, and so
Speaker 1: their team, my team, they all got together and started
Speaker 1: coming up. I mean, I'm the first time we all
Speaker 1: said at a long conference table and they were telling
Speaker 1: me the ideas was that two years ago or a
Speaker 1: year ago at least two when we could without mask
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh crap, they're they're serious. They've
Speaker 1: got a lot of ideas here. And after the first
Speaker 1: fifty I was like, man, this is cool. And after
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh crap, I'm gonna be way
Speaker 1: busier and I want to be probably, but they were
Speaker 1: coming up with all these ideas and then the three
Speaker 1: albums and three ways of doing fancy, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was just genius. And so here we are promotment.
Speaker 1: Now did you feel precious about Okay, I know you
Speaker 1: want to remix these songs, but to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: these songs you know, uh define you know, different parts
Speaker 1: of their life. Or were you like, hey have that.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what you guys do with three
Speaker 1: The latter I was saying, go for it. Then when
Speaker 1: they said I'm a survivor as a dance mix, I said, really,
Speaker 1: But it turned out great. It's fun to look at
Speaker 1: your top streaming songs. Fancies number one of all that
Speaker 1: when we went through all the different services, Gonda added
Speaker 1: them all up, Fancies number one, and I never and
Speaker 1: I'm probably I'm sure that you've heard this many times.
Speaker 1: Whenever I was singing fancy as a kid, I never
Speaker 1: really knew what fancy was about until I got to
Speaker 1: be an adult. And then when when I found out
Speaker 1: what fancy was about. I was like, wow, I've been
Speaker 1: singing that song a little too passionately, like I was
Speaker 1: singing it. I was singing it hard. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was really into it. And then it's like one day
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, how about that? How about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the little girl coming to school and won't just sing
Speaker 1: fancy for the talent not and she goes, do you
Speaker 1: know what this is about? She's yeah, she gets a
Speaker 1: brand new red dress from her mama. Okay, and then okay,
Speaker 1: if that's what you think it's about, that's great. So
Speaker 1: when you recorded that song, was there any talk with
Speaker 1: your with you your team, like oh, this is kind
Speaker 1: of an area that we're gonna be singing about that
Speaker 1: maybe is talked about a whole lot in contemporary country music. Well,
Speaker 1: when I was with Jimmy Bowen in the eighties, he said,
Speaker 1: is there a song you want to do do? A remix song?
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, Fancy. He said, oh, woman, you
Speaker 1: don't need to be doing that. That's about a prostitute.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm totally aware of that. And so when
Speaker 1: I went with Tony Brown in ninety, he said, would
Speaker 1: you like to do a song again? And I said, fancy. He's, oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's my favorite song. So we did it.
Speaker 1: So it had been discussed years earlier and you decided
Speaker 1: not to cover it, but I was vetoed. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like, nope, you can't do that. Well this whenever
Speaker 1: h the night the lights went out in Georgia, which
Speaker 1: I know that song because of Mama's family and then
Speaker 1: you know, doing research on her and then realizing she
Speaker 1: was a singer. You Vicky Lawrence, Um, when you do
Speaker 1: that song? Was it similar or did you go We're
Speaker 1: just gonna do it? And right away the same thing.
Speaker 1: Tony said, is there another song you'd like to do
Speaker 1: a remix? To do it again? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the night the last one out in Georgia. And
Speaker 1: you know, Vicky, that was her one and only song
Speaker 1: she recorded went number one. That amazing. Do you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with a person if they're alive, Like, did
Speaker 1: you talk to Vicki ins? And what was her thoughts?
Speaker 1: Like have at it? Oh? She was thrilled to death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was after I did it when I talked
Speaker 1: to her. Remember she had that talk show at TV
Speaker 1: talk Show and I went on envisited with her and
Speaker 1: we sang it together on on the show. That's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would assume even for you, that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And you get to do everything cool. Oh, everything I
Speaker 1: get to do cool. I am thrilled to death about it.
Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted. Still, after all this time,
Speaker 1: you're not jaded at oh no no. When I got
Speaker 1: to do the video with Dolly Parton, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was the biggest fan in the room. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's wild to hear someone who I look at
Speaker 1: as being the greatest you to look at Dolly at
Speaker 1: the greatest she is, and to to know that you
Speaker 1: would walk into a room with her and be like,
Speaker 1: in awe, when you moved to Nashville. Where was it Doll?
Speaker 1: Was Dolly available when you moved to Nashville? Or was
Speaker 1: she in l a Was she in that face? I
Speaker 1: don't know. The first time I saw Dolly was September
Speaker 1: sevent ninety seven in person, the day the hour I
Speaker 1: was gonna go on and do my first performance at
Speaker 1: the Grand Old Opry, and they told came up and said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take one of your songs away from you.
Speaker 1: You only do one And I said why simple? Dolly
Speaker 1: Parton just pulled it into the parking lot and I said, well,
Speaker 1: she didn't take both of them. Can I meet her?
Speaker 1: And she walked buying this chaffaun black pants sued and
Speaker 1: had those butterfly rhynd stone butterflies on and this big
Speaker 1: cotton candy hair. Aw man, that must be what angels
Speaker 1: looked like. That was the most beautiful woman I ever
Speaker 1: saw my life. And did you say hello? No? I
Speaker 1: was backed up again like everybody else was. I mean,
Speaker 1: they said, art the waves, Dolly's coming in and I
Speaker 1: slammed back up against that wall and just watched. I
Speaker 1: don't think her feet touched the ground. She was an angel.
Speaker 1: And when did you guys have your first you know
Speaker 1: where we kind of do the same thing experience years later,
Speaker 1: and then she came on the reab A TV show
Speaker 1: and we got to spend the whole week together. That
Speaker 1: was precious. That's absolutely love, that priceless. I just look
Speaker 1: at you. Two is out of the same cut of
Speaker 1: the same cloth. We are as country as can be.
Speaker 1: You have ambitions that are bigger than just singing country music.
Speaker 1: Although that's your most that's your pillar. You have ambitions
Speaker 1: other than just that, and you both did it at
Speaker 1: a really high level. And I would think that that
Speaker 1: hopefully she would be someone the same thing with like
Speaker 1: Taylor to you, you know, with some of these other
Speaker 1: artists who are doing that, that that that you can
Speaker 1: reach out to it after a point and get advice
Speaker 1: from her to that ever happened when you reach out
Speaker 1: like Dolly, you know, can I can I pick your
Speaker 1: brain at all? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I have done that.
Speaker 1: I did that in the early nineties a phone call,
Speaker 1: and she took my call. A matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: called her. She was at I think Caesar's in Vegas,
Speaker 1: and I was in Baker's Field somewhere and I needed
Speaker 1: a piece of advice from her, and and um, she
Speaker 1: is on the tonight show the nup before and she
Speaker 1: said she's going to Vegas, won't be at Caesar's. So
Speaker 1: I call Caesar's, but you actually called the casino and
Speaker 1: I said, um, I need to speak to Dolly Parton please.
Speaker 1: She said, one moment, please, who's calling? I said, Rebul
Speaker 1: McIntyre And presuming Dolly came on the last she said,
Speaker 1: is this really Reba McIntyre or some squirrel that wishes
Speaker 1: she was rebul McIntyre. It's me. That's funny to think about.
Speaker 1: We just have to call I mean, I haven't thought
Speaker 1: about having to do that. We just had to call
Speaker 1: a place to get someone. You have to call a
Speaker 1: restaurant and be like hey my uncle there. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was like back in the day. I want to play
Speaker 1: a little clip of does He Love You? This is
Speaker 1: you and Dolly here this here, love you, love you,
Speaker 1: lose me? He loves me? Does he think of you?
Speaker 1: Does he think of you? On? He was How cool
Speaker 1: is that to hear? Even though you've heard it ten
Speaker 1: thousand times? Yeah, you're right because when we first heard it, uh,
Speaker 1: Dave Cobb was the one that produced this one, And
Speaker 1: when we were going down the list of all the
Speaker 1: songs and listening to him, and does He Love You
Speaker 1: came up and I sat there and listen. I said
Speaker 1: play it again, and we listened to it again. It
Speaker 1: was just the best. Can I ask about the original
Speaker 1: version because from me moving to Nashville, I've gotten to
Speaker 1: know Linda Hillary's mom pretty well, like I love her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I remember watching that CMT you Guys video. It
Speaker 1: was one of the videos that and probably propped me
Speaker 1: up beside the jukebox when I die. Probably two that
Speaker 1: I really, you know, remember and think about from from
Speaker 1: kind of that part of my life. But originally I
Speaker 1: had read that you thought, maybe why knowing it would
Speaker 1: be the one, but Linda killed it singing it, and
Speaker 1: you're like, we have to go with that? Is that
Speaker 1: story true? Well, parsilely, Linda was on the road with me.
Speaker 1: She and Hilary's dad, Blank Scott. They were on the
Speaker 1: road with me, and I thought, Linda, we could do
Speaker 1: this every night on stage because she's backup singers. I
Speaker 1: was featuring her on some songs because she had a
Speaker 1: record deal, and so Tony said, well, let's well the
Speaker 1: record label of course, wanted either Tricia or one on
Speaker 1: A and I said, but it's right here. It's so handy.
Speaker 1: And they said, well, let's keep working on it. And
Speaker 1: I said, well, in the meantime while I'm recording it,
Speaker 1: would can Lenda just step in and do the other
Speaker 1: parts so I have somebody to sing against. They said okay,
Speaker 1: And when she got through, Tony said, she got the part.
Speaker 1: Did you tell her? Then? Hey, you're just gonna sing
Speaker 1: this as kind of a demo version, do you think
Speaker 1: in her mind she was like, I'm gonna sing this
Speaker 1: so good that hopefully they can't refuse that. You know,
Speaker 1: Linda is so honest and so innocent. She was just
Speaker 1: probably glad to be there and just I don't know
Speaker 1: what was in her mind, but I knew she would
Speaker 1: kill the song love it. And you know, Olinda has
Speaker 1: to do a sing and she she sells herself. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Dolly would say yes if you
Speaker 1: asked her to do that? Did you worry she wouldn't
Speaker 1: say yes? That's why I said, managers talk to managers.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to put Dolly on the spot. Besides,
Speaker 1: I don't have her phone number, so I thought it
Speaker 1: would be a good idea just to go in that way.
Speaker 1: She had an out if she didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: The new box that Revived, remixed, re revisited is out now. Uh,
Speaker 1: that is on the box set. You're also doing the
Speaker 1: Christmas and Tune, which is the Lifetime movie. Where does
Speaker 1: the acting rank on your passions? Now? I love to act.
Speaker 1: I don't like to sit around her up and wait.
Speaker 1: I don't like that part of it. But I'm doing
Speaker 1: several episodes of Young Sheldon on CBS. I love to
Speaker 1: do that. I love the acting. I love the preparation.
Speaker 1: I love to memorize my lines. I like almost all
Speaker 1: of it. I like the being an executive producer. I
Speaker 1: like being at the beginning. I like to rewrite and
Speaker 1: uh if they let me do that once in a while,
Speaker 1: and they've been they were really nice on Christmas and
Speaker 1: tune to let me do that. Rex helped me tremendously.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend, Rex Lynn, he was boy. He would make
Speaker 1: me rehearse every day. I knew not only my lines,
Speaker 1: but I knew everybody else's lines because he would be
Speaker 1: every other character and I'd be me. So it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was I was very prepared for that role. Whenever
Speaker 1: you started to do Rebuild Your your television series, did
Speaker 1: you guys get a straight deal or did you do
Speaker 1: a pilot and then the pilot got picked up? Do
Speaker 1: you remember I'm getting them all mixed up? Because then
Speaker 1: we did Malibu Country. Um, I was in the midst
Speaker 1: of doing any Get Your Gun. We went in in April.
Speaker 1: I took ten days off from and he Gets Your
Speaker 1: Gun to do go to California shoot the pilot. Then
Speaker 1: we went to Upfronts, which is in May, and I
Speaker 1: had done eight shows that week. I got Monday off,
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning was up front, so I had to be
Speaker 1: but crack of dawn over there. And they changed the
Speaker 1: name three times. When we filmed the show for the pilot,
Speaker 1: it was the script was called Sally, and Marvin went
Speaker 1: to him and said, you know, if you did the
Speaker 1: afternoon filming as Sally and then in front of the
Speaker 1: audience tape it and Reba b Reba instead of Sally,
Speaker 1: then let's see how that tests out. And they said, okay,
Speaker 1: so the title went from Sally. By the time I
Speaker 1: got to Upfronts, it was deep in the heart because
Speaker 1: we were off from Houston, Texas and we were the
Speaker 1: Heart family. So then there came out this thing on
Speaker 1: the USA today that they're publisist publicists had said, why
Speaker 1: the w B had ever hired Reba McIntire for this
Speaker 1: part is ridiculous. She's not of our what do you
Speaker 1: call it? Um people that watch, Yeah, she's not our demographics.
Speaker 1: And so the head of the cup need called by
Speaker 1: the time we got back to the hotel after up
Speaker 1: Fronts and said, terribly sorry, terribly sorry. What can we
Speaker 1: do to make up for this. Well, I'd already gone
Speaker 1: back to bed. I had a performance that night. So
Speaker 1: Marvel was talking to Hernie. He heard me get up
Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom and out the other room
Speaker 1: and he said, um, hang onna, let me put reb
Speaker 1: on the line. Banged on the bathroom door. So pick
Speaker 1: up the phone and and I said, I said hello.
Speaker 1: I said, we're terribly sorry what happened and what was
Speaker 1: in the USA today? What can we do to make
Speaker 1: this up to you? And I was half asleep and
Speaker 1: I said, uh, oh, well, she said, well Marvell said
Speaker 1: if we call it Reba, you'll be happy with that.
Speaker 1: And I said that's a wonderful idea. Thank you, hung up,
Speaker 1: went back to bed. So that's how I got the
Speaker 1: name Reba. And so you go, did you move out
Speaker 1: to l A because it was that like you said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got I just gotta go. If I'm gonna do this,
Speaker 1: I don't need to visit it, I need to go
Speaker 1: live it. Oh we had. We were there three weeks.
Speaker 1: So what happened was I got through it and he
Speaker 1: gets your gun. On June we went to Ireland for
Speaker 1: a vacation. I did five weeks all girl Tour and
Speaker 1: then went to l A. Found the found an apartment,
Speaker 1: a condo we lived in for the first season because
Speaker 1: you never know, it could go thirteen weeks and you
Speaker 1: don't get picked up. But then we got picked up
Speaker 1: on the back nine, and then Marvel went house hunting
Speaker 1: and we bought a house and we were there for
Speaker 1: six and a half seasons. Did that ever feel like
Speaker 1: home out there? I loved living in l A. I'd
Speaker 1: love to go back and do another show. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Have you guys, you know, explored different versions of that.
Speaker 1: Have you been close, real close? Have you shot a
Speaker 1: pilot to anything? Yeah, the Mark Cherry pilot. We did
Speaker 1: one called ox Blood and they passed on it. It's
Speaker 1: always a weird thing because I've shot a few pilots
Speaker 1: and had it passed on where you feel like everybody
Speaker 1: so pumped about it and everybody loves it. But then
Speaker 1: might have been talk shows and like, oh this is it.
Speaker 1: Research has been great? Yeah, it's been, it's tested so wonderfully. Well,
Speaker 1: let's spend someone. Well it's just right now. So is
Speaker 1: that showed? That show is done. That show is done, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: which I thought it was gonna you know, last forever.
Speaker 1: I thought I'd retire off of that show. I mean
Speaker 1: the ox Blood that show. That's yeah. Mark Cherry, I
Speaker 1: love his show now Why Women Kill It's just he
Speaker 1: is a genius. I saw my wife watching that show
Speaker 1: one day and I was like, why are you watching Why?
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about, just exactly what
Speaker 1: are your motives? Why are we learning from this show? Yes?
Speaker 1: What my my favorite duet in country music, the cow
Speaker 1: Girls Don't Cry that thanks. That song to me, I
Speaker 1: think is the sad It's We're in the land of
Speaker 1: sad songs. I mean, we have the format of the
Speaker 1: greatest sad songs of all time, because I think we
Speaker 1: have the format of the realist songs of all time.
Speaker 1: Cow Girls don't Cry that song to me? And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because I just didn't have a dad growing up.
Speaker 1: Maybe it hits me like that and I'm not a
Speaker 1: cow girl, but you know there's that relationship like when
Speaker 1: when you heard that song, like, were you moved? Yes,
Speaker 1: because I am a cow girl and my daddy was
Speaker 1: a cowboy and a very strict uh cowboy. And so
Speaker 1: when we do that song on stage in Vegas, there
Speaker 1: is a huge screen behind the stage behind the setup,
Speaker 1: and I'm walking on stage for my part and running
Speaker 1: and kicks already out there, and I happened to look
Speaker 1: up and see that cowboy. I barely got my notes out.
Speaker 1: It choked me up so bad. I mean, that song
Speaker 1: still doesn't anytime we do, or anytime someone's interviewing me
Speaker 1: about country music and they're talking about emotion and song like,
Speaker 1: that's the one I still go to after all these years.
Speaker 1: And and you know, we could was fifty great sad songs,
Speaker 1: but that one to me, and maybe it's the time
Speaker 1: I when it cut and how it hits me personally.
Speaker 1: I'm not even a cow girl, like I said, no
Speaker 1: cow girl with me when we when you're out on
Speaker 1: tour and we will end with this, She'll be out January.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've put an unhealthy expectation of
Speaker 1: you having to wear all the great clothes all the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: don't you ever just want to go and sweats and
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna sing you eight songs and sweats.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget seeing Shannai Twain come out. Um. I
Speaker 1: wasn't there in person, but I saw it and she
Speaker 1: had those fluffy little workout pants on and tennis shoes
Speaker 1: and her hair in a ponytail, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm way overthinking this. And she had all her dancers
Speaker 1: be Bob Brown. It was so cool, and I thought, man,
Speaker 1: why didn't I think of that? Okay, thank you, thank you, Bobby.
Speaker 1: Nice to see all of you. That was awesome And
Speaker 1: at number one, the best Bobby Cast of it's going
Speaker 1: to Brothers Osborne. I think this is the one we
Speaker 1: had the most messages about ever when it came out
Speaker 1: the day when live, the response was like enormous. I
Speaker 1: think it's because this episode in particular went back to
Speaker 1: kind of the roots of this podcast, in the early episodes,
Speaker 1: in the the phases of the Bobby Cast. I think
Speaker 1: the really great episodes are ones that felt like a
Speaker 1: therapy session. A lot of times in the early interviews,
Speaker 1: people would cry that was kind of a thing that
Speaker 1: the conversation would get so in depth, to the point
Speaker 1: to where some people would forget they were talking into
Speaker 1: a microphone and it was just Bobby and the guests
Speaker 1: having this really kind of heartfelt conversation, and we got
Speaker 1: to know them so well that it felt like a
Speaker 1: therapy session. And there was one point in this episode
Speaker 1: that I think we kind of all forgot. There was
Speaker 1: microphones in front of everybody's faces and it was just
Speaker 1: Brothers Osborne and Bobby having this very genuine conversation. So
Speaker 1: the best episode of the year, and I think one
Speaker 1: of the best episodes that we've ever done on the podcast.
Speaker 1: So at number one, the top interview of one on
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. Brothers Osborne in Studio Now with Brothers Osborne.
Speaker 1: The first time that I saw you, guys, I had
Speaker 1: been dragged to what they call a radio show boot camp.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about country music. Heck, I wasn't even in
Speaker 1: country music. I was. I had built my own syndication
Speaker 1: company and I was doing pop and hip hop. But
Speaker 1: I was getting trouble because I would put Dirk's on
Speaker 1: ut William and be like, why are you playing coutchy
Speaker 1: music on pop radio? Kind of what it happens now.
Speaker 1: Just on the other side, I'll bring in for ll
Speaker 1: I'll bring in somebody and they're like, why are you
Speaker 1: bringing in for all lot of country. I just always
Speaker 1: knew what I liked. It didn't matter to me really
Speaker 1: what format at what Most people are that way, I
Speaker 1: think people are too right. But I was over there
Speaker 1: doing that and we're in this theater and I was
Speaker 1: ready for some other you know, jabrown need to get
Speaker 1: up and talking about something in radio that I was lame,
Speaker 1: and they were like, all right, before we go, we
Speaker 1: got these two guys on a showcase to you. I
Speaker 1: think it was Chicago. Yeah, And they were like, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. This is one of the most awkward moments
Speaker 1: in our Brothers Osborne. And I was like, music, like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like and I also don't know if
Speaker 1: you recall this, but they said Brothers Osborne. And then
Speaker 1: the guy decides in that moment to change the batteries
Speaker 1: and the microphones. I'm like, why didn't you do this
Speaker 1: like ten minutes ago? Do you kidding me? So we
Speaker 1: had a dan. They're on stage where everyone had been
Speaker 1: they had clapped, finished clapping five minutes ago, and he's
Speaker 1: changing one by one of these batteries. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I could kick you straight off the
Speaker 1: stage right now, and uh, let me started performing a
Speaker 1: new one. Really cared. Can I say another thing though
Speaker 1: about that? I found really bizarre about that since you
Speaker 1: worked in different like formats and radio why are the
Speaker 1: popery of people so insanely arrogant? Like I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of them artists, but but I find like
Speaker 1: these people, you know, like I feel like it's probably
Speaker 1: unusual in country, like you actually do know most of
Speaker 1: not all the country artists that come through here, but
Speaker 1: they always pretend like you listen to a pop station,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, yeah, I was saying with my
Speaker 1: boy Drake, and I'm like, I guarantee that you maybe
Speaker 1: just saw him in Meat and Great and it's so
Speaker 1: weird and they're like the most and that that thing.
Speaker 1: I found it almost like unbearable to watch these people
Speaker 1: co exist together because you had the country people who
Speaker 1: were like really cool and hanging out and some of
Speaker 1: them have their their egos, and then all the pop
Speaker 1: people were like, screw the country guys, even though I'm like,
Speaker 1: these guys have stations that are like five times the
Speaker 1: size of yours. I don't know why that why that happens,
Speaker 1: But it's culture. The answer is culture. You are in
Speaker 1: the pop world taught to look as cool as you
Speaker 1: absolutely can't even if you don't have it in the
Speaker 1: country world. And I find this with myself too, because
Speaker 1: I'm in California a lot, working in the country world
Speaker 1: or the Nashville world, or the South or what however
Speaker 1: you want to use. You know, we are taught. Hey,
Speaker 1: even if you are cool, kind of scale it back
Speaker 1: a little bit because nobody gives a crap. Nobody does.
Speaker 1: So it's it's basically that that's the difference pop radio
Speaker 1: versus Los Angeles, versus Nashville versus country radio. It's when
Speaker 1: I go and I'm shooting American Idol, they think that
Speaker 1: I am, first of all, showing up with a haycy,
Speaker 1: you know, overall. But they're also like, he's just the
Speaker 1: greatest guy. He's just a And it's like, I'm like
Speaker 1: everybody else here. You know, I don't get an award
Speaker 1: for being the greatest guy. I'm a good dude. But
Speaker 1: you gotta good dude around here. You don't survive prune
Speaker 1: the bad dudes here big time quick. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there
Speaker 1: if you don't show up with an entourage, even if
Speaker 1: you can't afford it, that's and that's anti that culture
Speaker 1: that they promote. So that's it was such a observation
Speaker 1: that you saw. That's how it is here. If you
Speaker 1: show up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you,
Speaker 1: Everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like, in
Speaker 1: the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest singer
Speaker 1: and songwriter musician of all time of all genres, shows
Speaker 1: up by himself to like an event and where's his
Speaker 1: lanyard around his neck with his name on it, just
Speaker 1: to make sure that everyone he can get backstage to
Speaker 1: a place he's playing. And then he's just cool and
Speaker 1: then he packs up his own guitar and walks off
Speaker 1: and drives his own ass home. I'm like, if he
Speaker 1: can do it, anyone can do it, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I saw Stapleton drive up to a show once in
Speaker 1: his old truck in Nashville, get out be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Chris, and they were like, oh you are him,
Speaker 1: and they just lay the lit him. He just literally
Speaker 1: stables and drop his old truck, parked it behind and
Speaker 1: Rieman and walked in the back just to do his show.
Speaker 1: And I was like, but yes, it's a culture. People
Speaker 1: in that pop culture have to act cooler than they are.
Speaker 1: People in this culture have to act less. And you
Speaker 1: really see it too. At the Grammy Awards, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's so funny. Once again. You'll see someone from
Speaker 1: country walk in and everyone's like, oh, this hokey you
Speaker 1: know s ob Meanwhile, I'm like, this dude sells like
Speaker 1: ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, you're
Speaker 1: not that cool, like just chill, you know, do just
Speaker 1: have fun? Why is it such a you know, it's weird.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, wow, they're so nice. Shouldn't you just
Speaker 1: And I felt that way too early, but now I
Speaker 1: just take it. I'm like, I'm the night of this guy.
Speaker 1: I would go to meetings where and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that it was so counted or that culture. But I
Speaker 1: would go to meetings and pitch TV shows, not for
Speaker 1: me because I produced a couple of shows, and I
Speaker 1: would go and I'll be like, I go meet I
Speaker 1: met with Less before I got in trouble. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: met with Less move as who was the president of
Speaker 1: CBS and all his people. And I showed up by
Speaker 1: myself at the gate and I just you know, took
Speaker 1: an uber got out and they were like, you're here
Speaker 1: by yourself, where's waiting for your team? I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm the team and they were just so shocked by it,
Speaker 1: and they said, they verbally said, this never happens, nobody
Speaker 1: comes alone. This is still refreshing. And I went, oh,
Speaker 1: I will not do this forever. So when I go,
Speaker 1: and that's what I would have done anyway, I go
Speaker 1: by myself and I show I get a little backpack on,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hello, guys. But they're like, you're the
Speaker 1: nicest guy. I'm like, I'm not. But it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's definitely a culture thing. But you guys grew up
Speaker 1: where you grew up in Maryland. I have to think
Speaker 1: felt like the South compared to its compared from New
Speaker 1: York and Boston in a place where I got Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting, and I think it's probably
Speaker 1: a lot of why our music is the way that
Speaker 1: it is. Is we It's like to the Northerners, we
Speaker 1: are just like these red knecks down where we're from.
Speaker 1: And then people from the South treat us like word
Speaker 1: of these Yankees, and it's kind of like we're in
Speaker 1: kind of everything. No one really wants to claim us.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what's going on, but it is
Speaker 1: a very like homogeneous thing where I do. We do
Speaker 1: feel part Northeast and part Southern. It's really really strange.
Speaker 1: That's funny you say no one wants to claim you,
Speaker 1: because I felt for a while, because I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying this because you're here. I've been fans of you
Speaker 1: guys since the first time I heard you. I was
Speaker 1: just like, love you guys. And I think I think
Speaker 1: even I would tell you guys that i'd bring you
Speaker 1: on the show, and you play stuff and you've been
Speaker 1: very supportive. And this isn't me. I don't want to
Speaker 1: her mailbow patting myself in the back, but my point
Speaker 1: is is that I felt like even the format country
Speaker 1: music did that to you for a minute to not
Speaker 1: but they're like a little too rock. And then I'll
Speaker 1: be like, now there's a little two country where you
Speaker 1: kind of were in that same spot where no one
Speaker 1: wanted to claim you. Exactly did you feel that way? Still?
Speaker 1: I think you know. The thing is is that we've
Speaker 1: realized I think there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: fans out there who are the same um for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: and it's actually been now that we are where we are,
Speaker 1: I think we've done really well touring because of that,
Speaker 1: and we've been able to make a lot happen off
Speaker 1: off of comparatively um, not a ton of radio success.
Speaker 1: And I think obviously to a new artist we've had,
Speaker 1: we have had a decent amount of radio success, but
Speaker 1: we've gotten a lot done with with with not much.
Speaker 1: And uh. And to to come full circle, though, you
Speaker 1: mentioned something and we were kind of heading there with
Speaker 1: your story talking about that that radio similar thing that
Speaker 1: was extremely bizarre. And I've told you this before, but um,
Speaker 1: we just got to meet you. I think you were
Speaker 1: new to country, so everyone was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about this guy. You know, it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: and you're immediately coming into like one of the biggest
Speaker 1: like slots in radio. Um. But you sat there through
Speaker 1: the entirety of our performance. Most people could care less
Speaker 1: that we were playing. There was very few people in
Speaker 1: the room that paid attention. And and I will always
Speaker 1: remember remember that you um attendive to the entire thing.
Speaker 1: Whether it was because you felt incredibly sorry for us,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that probably has a lot to
Speaker 1: deal with it. But thanks about thank you you talking
Speaker 1: about it's you know when you say we haven't had
Speaker 1: as compared to a new artists a lot of radio success.
Speaker 1: It's funny because there are some songs that will hit
Speaker 1: number four but feel like a number one. But some
Speaker 1: artists right not even know you guys specifically, but urban
Speaker 1: will come in and I think, like Gonna Fly or
Speaker 1: something was never a number one, right, Well, He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, but it feels like the number one because
Speaker 1: people were I feel like, because I had to look
Speaker 1: at like the chart to see where you felt like
Speaker 1: you guys get more credit for having radio success because
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of your songs were bigger
Speaker 1: than maybe numerically they were getting. And you are right
Speaker 1: the way. There's a really kind of a one of
Speaker 1: my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people, as they always say,
Speaker 1: not every hit is the number one, and not everyone
Speaker 1: number one is a hit, and you know, it is
Speaker 1: weird and John and I have just racker brains all
Speaker 1: the time thinking about that. Some artists have a bunch
Speaker 1: of number ones and you can't remember them, and then
Speaker 1: some people have hardly any number ones, but you remember
Speaker 1: all of their material. And I don't know why it
Speaker 1: works that way, but I definitely feel that way for us,
Speaker 1: and that was why I really particularly missed playing in
Speaker 1: front of a crowd for a year and a half
Speaker 1: is for us, like a song like all Night, We
Speaker 1: felt like that would be a big hit. It was,
Speaker 1: it did okay, But now that we're out playing it,
Speaker 1: it's like you would have thought the song was was
Speaker 1: that number one for a month? I mean it's people
Speaker 1: go bananas for it now. It was really hard for
Speaker 1: us to I think it went to like twenty on
Speaker 1: the charts or something like that. That that was that
Speaker 1: felt like, it's like with this rejection. But usually John
Speaker 1: and I don't pay a whole lot of attention to
Speaker 1: that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's working. But now that we are um back at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I get you know what what
Speaker 1: we do? Why we do what we do because it works. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was extremely hard for us in the pandemic
Speaker 1: to just only be able to look at a chart
Speaker 1: position that was the one. Again, who knows what chart
Speaker 1: I'm looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so All Night was one of the ones that I
Speaker 1: specifically pulled and was like this thing was only in
Speaker 1: the twenties. Yeah, here's a clip of All Night. Another
Speaker 1: one was and I bet you that it just lights
Speaker 1: up a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every
Speaker 1: night it is little. Yeah, I gotta imagine people hit
Speaker 1: this song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our
Speaker 1: biggest song on UM the chart position wise or whatever
Speaker 1: was Stay a little longer, but people come. The majority
Speaker 1: of the crowd the song they're waiting to hear is
Speaker 1: this one? I mean, is it ain't my fault? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one that they call for the most. You know,
Speaker 1: stay a little longer. It was being our only number
Speaker 1: one it UM people love that song, but they stay
Speaker 1: for all night. They want to hear it, but they
Speaker 1: stay for that. And right now we're onto our current single,
Speaker 1: I'm Not for everyone, and we're it's charting, we're doing
Speaker 1: pretty good, but we're like, hello, can we like can
Speaker 1: we get moving here? Like this for still? Just like
Speaker 1: hey in the forties, like what's going on? But now
Speaker 1: that we're going out and we can play it and
Speaker 1: people are already responding like we're playing UM a hit song.
Speaker 1: It's like Okay, it's just that there's some there's other
Speaker 1: things that play here more than than just a chart position.
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of what we do, but it's
Speaker 1: not the only thing, and it can be. It can
Speaker 1: drive I think it even artists that have lots of
Speaker 1: number ones. If you just look at a chart, it
Speaker 1: really will just eat you from the inside out. It's
Speaker 1: really frustrating, especially from like the forty two to thirty
Speaker 1: one spot that's like the swampy no man. So you're
Speaker 1: just trying to climb out and if you can get out,
Speaker 1: you got a shot. And then if you're looking at
Speaker 1: the chart, especially being in this business now for as
Speaker 1: long as we have, it's like we know nearly everyone
Speaker 1: that's on the charts. When your friend jump you, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm canceling dinner with I think it all comes down
Speaker 1: to like what's your what Like, what's your own metric?
Speaker 1: You know? And there are people that live and die
Speaker 1: by the chart um, And that's fine. If that's your
Speaker 1: metric and that's what you base your success on, that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's that's how you want to do it, and it's great.
Speaker 1: I think for us we have to base our own
Speaker 1: success off of multiple metrics. Um. One of them is
Speaker 1: how well we're doing on radio, But most importantly, like
Speaker 1: t J touched on earlier, is how one how many
Speaker 1: butts are you put in seats into how much fun
Speaker 1: are they having? And how much are they have? Much
Speaker 1: fun are they having during that song? Can you feel
Speaker 1: the energy? And we have to go off of that metric.
Speaker 1: You know, we've We're very grateful for how we've done
Speaker 1: on country radio, considering that we do sound different, um,
Speaker 1: and it has helped us immensely. But if we only
Speaker 1: hung our hat on just the chart, we would lose
Speaker 1: our minds, which is honestly why I don't even look
Speaker 1: at it. I mean I don't because what the hell
Speaker 1: can I do? I mean right, I'm not gonna call
Speaker 1: a radio promoter or some guy up and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you give me like five spins? That's what our
Speaker 1: promo teams for. It's just gonna drive me crazy. But
Speaker 1: every time they do play a song, it is a
Speaker 1: little advertisement for our band. And there's also this really
Speaker 1: strange disconnect with radio. And as John said them to me,
Speaker 1: I think the ultimate just stat is just tickets. You
Speaker 1: saw tickets? Yeah, I haven't learned the TikTok dance yet
Speaker 1: to your new song, So if you guys want to,
Speaker 1: it's not happening now, you know. I guess that's why
Speaker 1: I haven't learned it. We should know TikTok dance. You
Speaker 1: just stand still like everyone can do this? Yeah? What? Um,
Speaker 1: So the tour we're not We're not for everyone. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're not for everybody everyone. So did you name because
Speaker 1: it's always your name the song and the record, after
Speaker 1: the song, after the tour, and what order did that happen?
Speaker 1: And did you name the tour this because you really
Speaker 1: felt that or because it was a good song, or
Speaker 1: well a couple of different reasons. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you we know, I don't know. We titled the record
Speaker 1: of Skeletons because honestly, it's the song. The song Skeletons
Speaker 1: on that record defined I think the record. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the center piece. Was one of the keystones? Was
Speaker 1: it the first one? One of the first ones? And um,
Speaker 1: and then we recorded I'm Not for Everyone? Was one
Speaker 1: of the last songs, if not the last song that
Speaker 1: we recorded. We thought we got one more day, let's
Speaker 1: just do this song. And I'm like We're thinking, man,
Speaker 1: I'll sing a verse that might be kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It'll just be different. It'll never be a single, but
Speaker 1: the fans will like it. And then um, we put
Speaker 1: the record out and then people started freaking out about
Speaker 1: this song in particular. And I think it has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with the message. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at the times that we're in now and everyone is
Speaker 1: claiming you know who they are, and this is what
Speaker 1: I do. And also like coming to terms with the
Speaker 1: fact that you just can't please everybody, especially in two
Speaker 1: thousand one. So we felt the traction of the song,
Speaker 1: so we decided, you know, we gotta put it out.
Speaker 1: And then us, um, it is a bit of our Montrail.
Speaker 1: We are accepting that we just are not for everybody.
Speaker 1: You look at our songs, getting the twenty at best
Speaker 1: for the most part, and then um, getting to Kneel
Speaker 1: and Travis, who are both a very unique, very awesome
Speaker 1: Left of cener artists. It's just kind of work. The
Speaker 1: whole message seemed to come together at one time. I
Speaker 1: wish I could say that we were smart enough to
Speaker 1: see in the future like that, but we're not. And
Speaker 1: just but we saw how the thing was shaping up
Speaker 1: when we took advantage of it. And I think that
Speaker 1: it is one of those things that you that John
Speaker 1: and I wrote it from the perspective of of of
Speaker 1: this is how we feel and to our surprise, So
Speaker 1: I think nearly everyone feels that way. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Whenever I wrote so, I was some very personal things
Speaker 1: in my first book, and I thought, I'm gonna share
Speaker 1: some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of it
Speaker 1: had to do with either the drug addiction my mom
Speaker 1: had before she died or a lot of the really
Speaker 1: bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and that
Speaker 1: I loved her, but it was a very tough relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, hex she got pretty much fifteen right, and
Speaker 1: my dad leafed, so she had to But I was
Speaker 1: going there was a lot of stuff, and even when
Speaker 1: she reached her breaking point, she did some things that
Speaker 1: I know she wouldn't be proud of, but because drugs
Speaker 1: had a taking control of her. And so I wrote
Speaker 1: and then that I was trying to tell the story
Speaker 1: of someone who had been through that, not through her
Speaker 1: side of it, through mine. And I've never had a
Speaker 1: drink of alcohol and never touched the drug because I've
Speaker 1: been so scared of it. I wish I could. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that to me, the one thing I want to
Speaker 1: do is relax and so um. But I wrote these
Speaker 1: stories and I thought, man, other people are gonna feel
Speaker 1: sorry for me. You're gonna tell me to shut up,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to understand. And I put it out.
Speaker 1: And what I learned is, and I say this because
Speaker 1: you just expressed the same thing to me. What I
Speaker 1: learned was I never felt so welcomed or like I
Speaker 1: was included until I felt like I was so not included.
Speaker 1: I thought, this is my story. No one's gonna understand,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel like me. Um. But
Speaker 1: it turns out just because people aren't screaming about it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not feeling it. Yeah, exactly. And that
Speaker 1: you know, when you say we're not for everyone, we do.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt about me. But I would be
Speaker 1: doing a mean greet somewhere, you know, we'd be I'd
Speaker 1: be doing something come up. It's like you know the
Speaker 1: story about you know that that touched me and I
Speaker 1: felt that severely when I came out. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know how it would be received.
Speaker 1: I know some people would be supportive and some people
Speaker 1: would probably hate. But I think the thing that was
Speaker 1: really um one of the most um like recharging things
Speaker 1: of it or whatever or inspiring things to me were
Speaker 1: the parents and stuff being like, hey, my kid, parents
Speaker 1: have other other kids. Yeah, are being like this is great.
Speaker 1: You know I've always I was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff of just people who themselves weren't gay,
Speaker 1: but we're really close to someone who was, and this
Speaker 1: felt like just like a relief for them, and UM
Speaker 1: and that yeah, so I know what you mean. It
Speaker 1: was I didn't expect that, and it was one of
Speaker 1: the coolest experiences I've ever felt. Did you feel more love?
Speaker 1: And you just said this, but I just want to
Speaker 1: hear this from you again because I did. Did you
Speaker 1: feel more love than you expected? I did? And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm and I've talked about this um before, but is uh.
Speaker 1: I absolutely felt more loved than I expected. And I
Speaker 1: even feeling the love from people that I knew loved me. Um,
Speaker 1: it was. It just was so different. It was so overwhelming,
Speaker 1: and it's the thing I wish everyone got to experience,
Speaker 1: because everyone has loved more than they realized they are.
Speaker 1: And the kind of sad part is there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't talk about how much they love someone
Speaker 1: until they've died or something really tragic. Um. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was a difference of just like someone you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I compared to someone just leaves like all right,
Speaker 1: all right, love you man, see you later, as opposed
Speaker 1: to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders and being
Speaker 1: like I love you. Like it just was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's the same word, but it just hit in such
Speaker 1: a different way, UM that I just thought in that moment, Wow,
Speaker 1: like just for this alone to feel this is um
Speaker 1: it sais something I wish everyone could feel at some
Speaker 1: point in time. Why at that point in time, like
Speaker 1: do you have a conversation like let's just do it
Speaker 1: now where you finally like I just feel like telling people, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I always wanted to come out and this
Speaker 1: was a huge um hurdle for me because I was
Speaker 1: always really really afraid that I would look opportunistic, and
Speaker 1: so I never wanted it to never wanted to be
Speaker 1: anything that would just not here here, here, we need
Speaker 1: some publicity or whatever. Um. And so in order to
Speaker 1: do that. I always felt like I need to do
Speaker 1: this at the height of my career, and then through
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I'm like, yeah, you know, I just really
Speaker 1: one was kind of the things that were important to
Speaker 1: me were very simple things, things that I've had my
Speaker 1: virtually my whole life was doing the same sitting around
Speaker 1: fire or having in some drinks, just you know, chewing
Speaker 1: the fat with people. That was I mean, the things
Speaker 1: that I was still having the same that were fun
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm like, I can do this, you know.
Speaker 1: When I when I was broke, I was having doing
Speaker 1: these same exact things, you know. So I just felt
Speaker 1: like at that point, like and then also, who who
Speaker 1: knows when you're at the height of your career, And
Speaker 1: so then the other fear was what if I have
Speaker 1: to You never know that you have passed the height
Speaker 1: of your career until you're on the way down. And
Speaker 1: then if I came out, then it's still it just
Speaker 1: seems like I'd be jump on the shark to people.
Speaker 1: And so I just felt kind of stuck in this
Speaker 1: weird thing of like I'm unsure the perfect time. And
Speaker 1: then finally, just one day I just thought like I
Speaker 1: gotta do this, like, and I gotta do it now,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go back to work to
Speaker 1: where I just did have distractions again, like I need
Speaker 1: to do this now where I can focus on it.
Speaker 1: And and the other thing too was I want to
Speaker 1: be able to build Mike. Why would I not want
Speaker 1: to get to the height of my career being just
Speaker 1: completely open about who I am and what I am
Speaker 1: And John and I are really proude ourselves for just
Speaker 1: being who we are. I mean, hell, alert's where song
Speaker 1: I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like their mission statement,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And so at that point, I was like,
Speaker 1: it needs I don't know that there ever is a
Speaker 1: perfect time, and there really isn't in your brain until
Speaker 1: you do it and then you realize that that was
Speaker 1: the perfect time. Just appreciate you, guys, and sound likewise,
Speaker 1: buddy take here. And that was the top eight Bobby
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