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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Top eight Bobby Cast

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Speaker 1: Interviews of one, Part two. I am like the producer

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Speaker 1: of the Bobby Cast and Bobby and I have hands

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Speaker 1: selected the best interviews we did this year. This is

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Speaker 1: part two. So if you missed part one, just go

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Speaker 1: back an episode and check that out, or if you

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Speaker 1: just want to hear the top four, you're in the

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Speaker 1: right place because these are the best interviews we did

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Speaker 1: on the Bobby Cast this year. And this is based

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Speaker 1: on episode downloads, reaction we had on social media. So

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Speaker 1: I'll count these down, give you some behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: that went into recording these episodes and what I kind

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Speaker 1: of have to do as a producer of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. At number four, we went

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Speaker 1: with Jimmy Allen. Now, we had Jimmy Allen back on

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Speaker 1: in before he ever had a number one. And Jimmy

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Speaker 1: is one of the nicest people in country music, and

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Speaker 1: he's a very busy guy. And this was before Dancing

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Speaker 1: with the Stars this year, before winning Best New Artists.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about Jimmy is that he always

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Speaker 1: comes in with the best stories right when he sits down.

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Speaker 1: Bobby asked him one question and it immediately leads to

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Speaker 1: a great conversation and we had so many tweets and

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Speaker 1: four is Jimmy Allen here with Jimmy Allen, which I

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Speaker 1: was looking at some of the track listing for for

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Speaker 1: Betty James. And I'm always curious at the process and

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Speaker 1: asking people much cooler than yourself, no no offense, much

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Speaker 1: don't have to ask people cooler, way cooler than me

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Speaker 1: weird about it. How do you ask, for example, let's

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Speaker 1: do the song. Now, you and Brad Paisley, you have

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Speaker 1: a song together, that's the song out of Radio Freedom

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Speaker 1: was a Highway? How does that ask go? Do you

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Speaker 1: do it? Or did your people do it? Man? So

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Speaker 1: I kind of did on myself. It kind of happened

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Speaker 1: because I was Brad It text me one night it

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Speaker 1: Come by the house. He said, Darius is coming and

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Speaker 1: he said Bill Shatners here. I was like, that was

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Speaker 1: Bill Shatnan. Well, she's like William shatn I was like,

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Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. I didn't know who. I've never heard him

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Speaker 1: called Bill Shatter before. So I went over there and uh,

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Speaker 1: I get there. Tim girls outside peeing out in front

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Speaker 1: How much money? These these are worth a lot? So

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Speaker 1: then we grab the guitars and start playing Ntim was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: we should do a song together. He said, Jimmy, here's

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Speaker 1: I'm the dude that if you give me your number

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Speaker 1: two days after that and I wrote made for These

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Speaker 1: um and I sent texted to Tim, was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: had Freedom written like a year and a half before that. UM,

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Speaker 1: and he was like I love it. I was like perfect.

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Speaker 1: And then the Darrison Charlie song. Man. I actually had

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Speaker 1: another song I wanted to do with Darrison Charlie Um,

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Speaker 1: we can't have the first song we do with Charlie

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Speaker 1: the day after Kobe died, Um, I was writing it

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Speaker 1: after Kobe died and just think about life, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: like life throw stuff at you, Like Kobe was probably

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Speaker 1: one of the most motivated people I ever knew. Like

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Speaker 1: So that's what kind of how that song came about.

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Speaker 1: So I called Charlie UM, gave it to Darius and

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Speaker 1: Nellie is in town. You find out why? He was like, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: and then he said, hey, Nelly, correct with you to

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Speaker 1: night at nine. But we wrote there like two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and we had a show the next day in Minnesota's

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Speaker 1: all right, It's a hard decision to stand right with

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Speaker 1: We play PlayStations, So don't play PlayStations right with Nelly.

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Speaker 1: so that I was gonna play some of Made for

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Speaker 1: These which is you and McGraw, like, play me a

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Speaker 1: clip of this those days. So if tim were two cent,

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Speaker 1: because I'm assuming you guys did not record them at

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Speaker 1: the same time, right, Like, he went and did his thing,

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Speaker 1: he didn't love would you have said, can we cut

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Speaker 1: like he killed that. So I remember Tim told me said, dude,

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Speaker 1: you can say is no or screw you. But he

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Speaker 1: you saying the times that you've spoken with Kobe, how

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Speaker 1: did you meet Kobe Bryant. Man, I met Kobe at

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Speaker 1: he plan his plan. Um. I think it was two

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Speaker 1: Two thousand six or twous that long ago. How did

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something about me. I used to

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Speaker 1: Because this is the thing. When you're a black guy

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Speaker 1: So I was sitting, Um, I was sitting like four

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Speaker 1: Just walking by though, Like I was like, col what up?

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, bro, Act like I knew he said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Man? He was like, he's like, what's your name?

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Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy. Then again, because he thinks he probably

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Speaker 1: Then I saw him in a few events before we bumped.

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Speaker 1: We bumped into each other, like I think i've We've

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Speaker 1: had about over fifty conversations. Did you ever get to

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Speaker 1: Was it after you had started to get heat or

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Speaker 1: to peer we're both then, Nah, it was more just

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Speaker 1: watching you playing one of the celebrity Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: the Celebrity All Star Game? Now, I was Kane. I

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Speaker 1: played in the Celebrity Game a few year. I watched

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Speaker 1: you a few years ago. All my years are done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything it was. It was a monster. It was just monster.

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Speaker 1: the celebrity games to me are the same, And I

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Speaker 1: play and I was like, dang, who was the best

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Speaker 1: celebrity basketball player on the court that night? Tar okay,

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Speaker 1: but he played what Tennessee State? Yeah, yeah he was good.

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Speaker 1: He was a college basketball Remove him. Remove anyone that

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Speaker 1: played basketball at a high level. I'll ask you this,

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Speaker 1: who is the best celebrity basketball player you've played with

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Speaker 1: or against that wasn't a ball player, that wasn't a

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Speaker 1: ball player. Probably Matt Stough. I beat him out here.

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Speaker 1: Matt still can turns it on. I tell you this, though,

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Speaker 1: I only beat him because we were shooting, and he's

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Speaker 1: six six and plays like a guard, which is incredibly difficult.

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Speaker 1: When Matt turns it on, he can hoop, Kane can hoop.

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Speaker 1: I still think I'm better than both of them, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh do you guys get competitive when you're with each

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Speaker 1: other to the point where it'll get a bit chippy

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Speaker 1: of turns it up a little bit. Even Gator turns

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, Gators competitive hustle. I called him, like

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Speaker 1: I say, he's an undersized white Dennis Rodman, an undersized

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Speaker 1: white Dennis Rotten. Dude rebounds like nobody ever seen before,

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Speaker 1: and his energy is crazy, crazy, scrappy. He's the type

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Speaker 1: a person you want on your team. He's oddly a

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Speaker 1: able to do a few things. Well, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like your labels like at times? Because I can tell

425
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 1: you at times my radio company has been like, hey,

426
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 1: why are you doing TV projects? Why are you touring?

427
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: Stand up? Like, how are you able to put all

428
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 1: of your effort into radio if you're doing these other things?

429
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 1: And what people don't understand, it's all about expanding the brand.

430
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 1: And to me, it's about filling my cup. So I'm

431
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: better at everything. If I feel good. Like one of

432
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: my buds, i'd call him a friend. Dion Sanders always says,

433
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good,

434
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: you play good. If you play good, they pay good exactly.

435
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: And if I'm doing things that I love, I'm better

436
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: at all the things that I'm doing because I feel

437
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: more fulfilled. I just wonder if you've got any pushback

438
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: from your people, and I have. You know, I've gotten

439
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: some pushback for me before, Like I remember when I

440
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: was writing this kid's book, comes out July thirte By

441
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: the way, come my voice is a trumpet. Um. They

442
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: were concerned about that, Well, how is it gonna have

443
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: time to write? I'm fine with with music, you know. Um,

444
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,959
Speaker 1: like the TV and film I want to do, like, uh,

445
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: you know there's a show I can't say it yet,

446
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: but I'm musical director now for this new Netflix show

447
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: that comes out this year. Um from doing that, you know,

448
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: doing radio, TV spots whatever. But for me, it's kind

449
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: of like I have to do everything I want to do.

450
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: If I don't, I will go insane Because I tell people,

451
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: being a touring country artist is just a piece what

452
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: I want to do, not everything. Now there's some people

453
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: like that's it for them. They just wanna you know,

454
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: write country songs, have songs on radio and tour. That's

455
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: great for them. But for me, it's not. It doesn't matter.

456
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: I could win every c M A every a CM

457
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: have number ones out of number one, selling out of

458
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: readers across the world. I still wouldn't be happy because

459
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: that's only a piece of what I want to do,

460
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and again, like I

461
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: tell people, you have to do what's best for you.

462
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: What's gonna feel you, you know, and half the people

463
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: tell them me that I shouldn't do it. Are also

464
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: people to grow up in two parent homes with money

465
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: as a kid. All right, listen, I'm gonna let you go.

466
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming. By way. We haven't done this

467
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: since the very beginning. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's

468
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: a very very beginning. You came to the other place

469
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: and we did it upstairs, and I got the calls

470
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna be on it. I was like, hey, yeah, let's

471
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: goes like it's been a while. I appreciate that. I

472
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you just in general. I think you're great for Nashville,

473
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Speaker 1: just what you stand for. And there's not even country

474
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Speaker 1: music artists, but to show people, listen, you don't have

475
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: to just do one thing. If you don't just want

476
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: to do one thing, you can specialize if you want.

477
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Speaker 1: You can specialize in a lot of things if you

478
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Speaker 1: want facts. So let's go, all right, Jimmy Allen at

479
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Alan. There you go. Moving on to number three,

480
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: and we're going with Scott's staff of Creed. I think

481
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Speaker 1: this is hands down one of the coolest interviews we've

482
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: ever done. And Bobby and I were both super excited

483
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: about it, and as a producer of this podcast, I

484
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: rarely get nervous about guests. I've had the chance to

485
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: meet everybody in country music to the point to where

486
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just somebody coming in for an interview.

487
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: You're I'm focused more on what's going to happen once

488
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: they sit down, that everything's perfect in line. The actual

489
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: them coming into the studio doesn't make me nervous at all. However,

490
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: when I was sitting across from Scott's staff, it made

491
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Speaker 1: me nervous. And this one was so good, Like I

492
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: was so just in it. When we were recording it,

493
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: I was worried something was gonna go wrong with the audio.

494
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna lose the file. I think I was

495
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: so relieved when it was over. I hit stop and

496
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: saved this episode because I was like, this is one

497
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Speaker 1: of the greatest things that ever happened in the history

498
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Speaker 1: of this podcast. It was also the one that probably

499
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: took the longest to book. Usually we booked all of

500
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Speaker 1: our guests at the beginning of the month. With this one,

501
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: I think it was like three months out where we

502
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: had to book Scott's staff. We're trying to get him

503
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: on the radio show. We're trying to get them to

504
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: come in and perform, and then we finally settled, which

505
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: I think was the best option of having given them

506
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast because we're able to sit down for

507
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: an hour and talk about literally everything. So this was awesome.

508
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Speaker 1: At number three is Scott's staff the lead singer of Creed. Alright, well,

509
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: it's Scott's staff of Creed. And most of the time

510
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: when friends come over, their friends and their buddies and

511
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, let's do this because they're promoting something

512
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: or or it's it's a fun conversation, But rarely do

513
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: I get to have someone in that I have been

514
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Speaker 1: a genuine fan of for twenty years, and so like,

515
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Speaker 1: I'm grateful that you took the time to come over

516
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: here and hang out and let me talk with you,

517
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Speaker 1: because again, I'm a fan and it's rare for me

518
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: to get to talk to someone in that capacity. Man,

519
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: thank you. That means a lot, bro, thank you, and

520
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Speaker 1: it's awesome to be here. Good times. I was kind

521
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: of looking back at some of the older um in

522
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: our younger days. Whenever you guys got together and there's

523
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: a big Florida State presence in the band because that's

524
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: where you you guys met to begin with. Right. And

525
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Speaker 1: so you go to Florida State, And what was your

526
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Speaker 1: idea when you go to college? Like, what did you

527
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Speaker 1: want to be when you have to Florida State Because

528
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't go to Florida State to

529
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: go I want to be in a band and be

530
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Speaker 1: a big star. Right. Well, I mean, I'll be honest

531
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Speaker 1: with you. The only reason that I left Orlando to

532
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Speaker 1: go to Tallahassee, uh and to end up going to

533
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Speaker 1: school at Florida State, it was because I was reading

534
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: a biography about The Doors and read that Jim Morrison,

535
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: whom I was a huge fan of and a huge

536
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Speaker 1: fan of The Doors, I went to Florida State, and

537
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Speaker 1: in my naive, uh nineteen eighteen or nineteen year old

538
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: mind at the time, I thought, well, hey, I mean

539
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: that that's just the way that that you meet music

540
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: and start a band and it yeah, And so I

541
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: went there with the specific goal of meeting musicians to

542
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Speaker 1: start a band. Uh. And that was that was the goal.

543
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Speaker 1: Did you have the major? Well? I did, um, it

544
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: was communications and minor in English and uh. And like

545
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: I think I had like three or four miners because

546
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Speaker 1: I kept changing my major, Like I think it started

547
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: out as like philosophy and and uh, you know, and

548
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: and you know, so I got a lot of miners

549
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: and and and you know. My backup plan, which I

550
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: didn't really focus on too much, was I was going

551
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: to go to law school. Uh and uh and do that.

552
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: And you've written massive songs of the crew basically everything.

553
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: How I have songwriter friends women do with their whole life.

554
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: I have written hit and they're really good. You hadn't

555
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: done it at all. And then you started writing songs

556
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: and you have so many, Like how easily or was

557
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: it not easy for you to start writing songs and

558
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: actually were good catchy songs hooks, you know. I think

559
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: I think we wrote probably seven or eight songs that,

560
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, in trying to find our sound. And then

561
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: we wrote a song called Grip My Soul, which never

562
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: made a record, should have, but it didn't make the record.

563
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: We didn't record it, or maybe we did record it,

564
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: but it didn't make the record. That might have been

565
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: our eighth or ninth song. And I remember when we

566
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: wrote that song, we all looked at each other and

567
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: Mark and I specifically and we're like, okay, we got it.

568
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: We figured this is it. We figured it out, and

569
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Speaker 1: from that moment on, uh, what you hear on my

570
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: prison was written. We I mean literally only probably once

571
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: we figured out what our sound was from Grip my

572
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: soul to what was recorded on my own prison. Um.

573
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean we probably only wrote fourteen songs and and

574
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Speaker 1: total since Mark and I were together, maybe twenty songs,

575
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: which is a very low number. For those were the

576
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Speaker 1: first twenty songs I had ever written in my life.

577
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: And that's my point exactly. Like I have friends that

578
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: have been doing it for twenty years. They wrote they

579
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: write sixty songs for a record. Now. The only thing

580
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: I can think of, man, is that that you know,

581
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: the the artist that I listened to, you know, being

582
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: YouTube also you know growing up listening uh, you know,

583
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: the only thing that was allowed in my home growing

584
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 1: up was was Christian rock or Christian artists. Um. And

585
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: so you know, I would listen to a lot of

586
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: Takes six and I think that's who taught me how

587
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: to sing, because I would sing along with those records

588
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: and sing every vocal part on that record. And then

589
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: d C Talk, which is became just between which became

590
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: which became Toby mac Um that was allowed in my house.

591
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: And and then you toube because the same thing that

592
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: people ended up doing with Creed, that we're in Christian

593
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: homes saying wait, wait there, Christian band, mom and dad,

594
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Speaker 1: even though Creed wasn't an official Christian band. Just you

595
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: Too is not a Christian band, but Bono is a

596
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Christian um And so I snuck Josh Retreat, got it

597
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: into my house and was able to listen to that

598
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: by telling my parents that they were a Christian band.

599
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: But I think those those bands that I listened to

600
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: growing up. Stryper was another one. Uh that was was

601
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: a jam uh in my house. But I think all

602
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: that was just imprinted in my brain. I think song

603
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: structure and how to write songs based on those records

604
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: was just imprinted in my brain. Mark the same way

605
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: Mark was, He was much more. He was much different

606
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: than me, and that Mark knew what he wanted to

607
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: do when he was probably ten or eleven years old.

608
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Mark knew he wanted to be in a rock band,

609
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: play guitar and write songs and be a singer and

610
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: a guitar player. He knew Um at least that that's

611
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: how I recall it. And so he he he, he

612
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: knew all these bands that I had never heard of.

613
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: He he learned all you know, he probably knew hundreds

614
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and hundreds of songs on guitar, you know, by learning

615
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: him on tab and and just listening and playing them.

616
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: So of course that taught him song structure and and

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: taught him. So I think me just just hearing that

618
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: in him, I think we just inherently new structure and

619
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: how to put a song together, um and and and

620
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: then it just came out once we got together. We

621
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't think too much about it. We never sat down

622
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: and thought, um, let's write a radio song, or or

623
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: we need to do this. We we were just like, hey,

624
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: that's the verse, that's the chorus, that's this. We never

625
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: we never put any pressure on ourselves. We just wrote

626
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: what made us feel good, because in the beginning we

627
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: were just playing for us. You know what I mean,

628
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: my own prison. I'm gonna play a few of these

629
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: hooks here here is actually my own prison. Whenever I

630
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: hear U saw from like when I mean like I

631
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: feel like I felt, then music does that, Like when

632
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: you hear a song that reminds you of a really

633
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: big part of your life. For a second, you feel

634
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: that part of your life again. And this record does

635
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: that to me? Is the record in general torn? Here's

636
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Speaker 1: a clip of Dorm What's This Life For? What's What?

637
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: Which was a rock number one for you guys? Was

638
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: this a big separator for you guys? Did this one

639
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: turn you guys from a national known band to like

640
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: a whoa, here they come? I think, you know, My

641
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Own Prison went all four of our first singles went

642
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: number one at rock and I think it was a

643
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: build um And then you know my Own Prison was

644
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: our first video that was on MTV and v H one. UM.

645
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: And then What's This Life For? I think was our

646
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: second video that was on MTV, n v H one,

647
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: and it was more of a It had more of

648
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: a appeal to a wider audience. What's this Life Ford did?

649
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: I think that's when I felt other people were knowing

650
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: about you get because the edge Dallas, I would have

651
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: a friend record, take a cassette tape because your kids

652
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: now don't know. You do record, play pause and you

653
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: undo pause, you record what's on the radio. And I

654
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: have a friend send it to me and he was like,

655
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you gotta hear Creed What's This Life For? And I

656
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: was like, I already been known about Creed, but I

657
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: felt like that song. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely think

658
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: that that just you know, expanded it even further. And

659
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: I think the video had had a lot to do

660
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: do with that too, And I think it was it

661
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: was really palatable, um, you know, to a wider audience. Um.

662
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: And I think we began to see our audience by

663
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: by the time What's This Life For? And then once one,

664
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the song one became a single and and had its time,

665
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: our audience really expanded from and was a mix of

666
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: men and women. And initially it was just you know dudes, um,

667
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: based on our first two singles, you know, into heavy

668
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, heavy aggressive rock. But those two songs showed

669
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: a different side of the band and began to really

670
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: open up our audience. Uh. And then you know the

671
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: next record, you know, with Higher and did you feel

672
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: the rocket ship for the first record you make it?

673
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: You don't spend a lot of money on it, but

674
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you're hustling, right, You've got fake representatives going to record stores.

675
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you are in the hustle, right, do you

676
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: feel the rocket ship, or do you just realize, oh boy,

677
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: we're on it now. We expected it. We we were

678
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: so at least I did. I had this blind confidence

679
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: and and I had these blinders on, and I just

680
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: thought that it was gonna happen. I just had such

681
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: belief in the music that we were creating. And then

682
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: once we made the CD, and then once the record

683
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: label started coming down, I just thought that, Hey, here

684
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: it is. We're gonna be playing arenas soon. That's what happens.

685
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you get a record deal and

686
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: you get on the radio, you play arenas. That that's idea.

687
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea that that was only the beginning,

688
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: and and the chances of you you know, even making

689
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: it past your first single were slim to none. You know,

690
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: I was so naive. Um, But I think that was

691
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a that was actually a benefit to me at the time,

692
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: because it took away any fear or doubt or or

693
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: or anything that could stand in the way of of me, uh,

694
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, achieving uh and and giving what I needed

695
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: to give from my standpoint to make it happen. And

696
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I think it was contagious, uh to the guys in

697
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: the band um, and and we all just had this belief,

698
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: um in what we were doing and and uh we

699
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: didn't We didn't think it would turn out any other way.

700
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: With you guys having your music already made and knowing

701
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: who you were as a band, did that make your

702
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: first deal easier to actually know what you wanted to

703
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: not get ripped off? Well, here here's another funny story

704
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: or not funny story. But we almost didn't have a

705
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: record deal. We had literally every major label interested, um,

706
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: and then one by one they started bowing out. I

707
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, they just they're interested, They're down, they're

708
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: talking with our managers, their meetings, they're talking with our

709
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: big New York lawyer that we had. Uh. They got

710
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: everybody signed, uh you know, and one by one they

711
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: would bail. And then it came down to Atlantic Records,

712
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: uh and the two knicks uh that we were talking to,

713
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: and we were in their offices uh meetings, New York

714
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: back and we were ad percent sure that that, you know,

715
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: it was going to be Atlantic Records, and uh, you know,

716
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: negotiations were going on the whole nine yards. I think

717
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: they ended up signing a band instead of us called

718
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Seven Mary three, right and uh, and so we were like,

719
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, what are we gonna do? How was

720
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: everybody dropping? Do you do? You know, I have no idea?

721
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: And uh then this little company never signed a band before. Ah.

722
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: A woman named Diana Meltzer and her husband Alan Meltzer.

723
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: They had just started a label called wind Up Records,

724
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: and somehow, I think through our lawyer are Blue Collar

725
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: Records c D got in Diana Meltzer's hands and she

726
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: heard it and she's was convinced that this She had

727
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: to sign this band. She had to sign this band. Uh.

728
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: So she told her husband Alan, I'm going to tell

729
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: hassee and I'm signing this band. Whether you come with

730
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: me or not. He came. He ended up listening to

731
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: the c D. He loved it. They came. Um, you

732
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: know it was so funny. I remember looking in the

733
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: crowd and you know, there wasn't that many people there

734
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: at that particular time. Um, and they looked like they

735
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: were in the mafia. You know. There was there was

736
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: this little guy in an all black suit, you know,

737
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: New York looking guy, and and his wife and all

738
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: black and and and we were like, whoa, who are

739
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: these two mafia people in the crowd and they were

740
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: standing in the center and they were just rocking out,

741
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: you know. And uh and then we our managers came

742
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: and said, uh, there's some record company folks that want

743
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: to meet with you guys afterwards. So we went to

744
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: this bar next door and it had like a rooftop bar,

745
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and we went up there and we talked and and

746
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: they said, we want to sign you. And this is

747
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: right after we had, you know, been basically passed on

748
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: by everybody else, and we had no other option. Uh.

749
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: And in looking back, it was the greatest thing that

750
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: could ever happen to us, because this man was a

751
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: very successful businessman and he was starting a new business

752
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and we got all the attention from his company, and

753
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: he did not want to fail. And he was a gambler.

754
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: We didn't learn that until later on in life that

755
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: he was a gambler. Uh. But he put all his

756
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: resources uh into into the band. Uh and uh. But

757
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: again we had no we had no other options, so

758
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: we we took it and uh, you know, again naive,

759
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: but he knew what he was doing. Uh. And so

760
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: we signed with little little wind up records, the engine

761
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: that could uh and uh. The rest is history. Did

762
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: you guys make any money off the first record after

763
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: signing with them, because it did so well. Uh yeah,

764
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: money started coming in. Yeah, I mean we we we

765
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good deal. It's a bad deal.

766
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: What about your publishing from writing the song? Did you

767
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: get paid from that differently? Uh? We we got paid. No,

768
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: we we got publishing, we got recording, we got royalties. Um,

769
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: we just got a tiny advance and and just probably

770
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, your basic crappy record deal that that was

771
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: probably pretty standard in in n um you know, I

772
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: mean our publishing deal. We still owned you know, the

773
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: vast majority of our publishing of course, um. And and

774
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: then had the typical probably standard record deal. Um. But

775
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the record you know, went six times platinum, I believe. Uh.

776
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: And so we definitely uh you know recouped because they

777
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: used our demo. Man, they didn't just use the record

778
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: spent six right, and so we had nothing to recoup

779
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: except you know, a couple of music videos, uh and

780
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe some tour support early on. Uh. And so yeah,

781
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, our lives changed really quick. You know what

782
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: is that like you talk about a rocketship. When your

783
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: lives changed so quickly, do you go crazy or a,

784
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: you scared it was. It was happening, Uh, so fast,

785
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: and it was so awesome and it was such a

786
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: high and so exciting. Uh, and our dreams were coming true.

787
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: We were just enjoying every minute of it, man, Um,

788
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: without the thought of of it could ever end. You know,

789
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: we were just caught up in it. Did you guys

790
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: get a plane eventually? Yeah? After after Human Clay we

791
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: had a plane. We had a G five. Come on, Um,

792
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, man, I mean, but

793
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: Human Clay was so big, like it was next level.

794
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: When when Higher comes out, I mean, just that drum

795
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: part and you singing like that to me personifies that

796
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: whole like to your two thousand like time period in music. Yeah,

797
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean Higher, what's and here's we'll play the club

798
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: of Higher in cause you have eleven under a rock

799
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: or your twelve? Was this another level for you guys

800
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: with a song? Yea, this took us this, this, it

801
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: took us to another level. Um, it took us higher,

802
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: pun intended. Uh and uh. And then you know there

803
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: was another song on this record. What if that was

804
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: tied in with the Scream three um movie? Uh? And

805
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: so we did a video uh with all the screen

806
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: three you know, actors, and and and and that also

807
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, to have that title track for a soundtrack

808
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: and the whole movie machine behind that gave us exposure

809
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: to you know, another great greater portion of the world,

810
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: and and uh and then higher and then you know,

811
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: and then the grand slam that just took it, you know,

812
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: to the stratosphere. Um was arms wide open, which which

813
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: came later. I remember vividly that heartbeat and I don't

814
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: know if it was a radio version or the album version,

815
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: but it would be like, yeah, yeah, then well I

816
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: just heard that. That heartbeat still sits with me, like

817
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: that song comes out because that was a number one

818
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: pop song too. Yeah, like that's you beating everybody right again.

819
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: It had to be just another notch of what is

820
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: happening with our life right now. It was we were

821
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: in it and enjoying, enjoying it and just living it.

822
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: And and like I, like I said earlier, we or

823
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: at least I let me just speak for me. I

824
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: thought that's what was supposed to happen to a band

825
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: when they got a record deal and got on the radio.

826
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until years later that that's not what

827
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: happens to every band that gets a record deal and

828
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: gets on the radio. But in that moment, I did

829
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: so I thought everything that was happening was just what

830
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to happen, you know what I mean? Um,

831
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: what would you go back and tell that kid? Though? Now,

832
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: oh man, I can tell that kid a lot. Um Man,

833
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: appreciate uh the people around you. Let them know, even

834
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: though you may appreciate them, let them know on a

835
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: regular basis. Uh. You know, I was so caught up

836
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: in and and you know, I had a lot of anxiety.

837
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Uh that's one issue that I dealt with, you know.

838
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: And so every day that we had a big show

839
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: in front of an arena crowd or or wherever, you know,

840
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: I was nervous all day long. And so I would

841
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: I would kind of isolate myself because I was just

842
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: nervous and didn't want to mess up and whatnot. Uh.

843
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: And so I would tell that guy, hey, chill man

844
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: and and and just appreciate the people around you more

845
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: and let them know, you know, And and I did periodically,

846
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: but I would do more. Um also also spend more

847
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: time uh nurturing all the relationships that you make uh

848
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: in this business. Um. You know, I was so caught

849
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: up in what I had to do and in the

850
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: in creed and in writing the songs. Uh. And you

851
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: know that I think this peripheral things I didn't pay

852
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: enough attention to, uh that you know, as a more

853
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: mature human being now I realized are so important. I mean,

854
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: it takes a team. You know. It wasn't just the

855
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: band that was doing everything. Uh, it's it's the team. Um.

856
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think I would definitely and

857
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: and also I would have I would have told myself, um,

858
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, two look at it. This is a job too,

859
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and it's not just

860
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: one big party, it's you know, uh. And so definitely

861
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to say to my younger

862
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: self about relationships, about taking care of my myself mentally

863
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: and physically. Um. And and just appreciating every moment and

864
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: the people around me, like I said, um, and and

865
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: preserving and nurturing um, those those relationships. Despite what I

866
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: was going through at the time, would you get nervous

867
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: when a record would come out because you know my

868
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: own prison, Probably not because you hustled, but then after

869
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: it's a success and human Clay is about to come out,

870
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: or whether it's about to come out, are you like, well,

871
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: we gotta beat the last and or you just go

872
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: and let's just go fire them off. We were in

873
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: such a rapid motion from making a record, promoting singles

874
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: tour right back in the studio. We we wrote Human

875
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: Clay on tour because we only had like ten or

876
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: eleven songs to play and and so we were like,

877
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: we gotta write some more songs. So we were playing um,

878
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: you know say I and Faceless Man and and some

879
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: other songs off of Human Clay eventually Arms Wide Open,

880
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Um and probably even higher uh live prior to recording

881
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: them on the album UM, and so you know, we

882
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of would see how the fans would react. You know,

883
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: they were getting positive reactions, and so we just we

884
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about failure. We we we never we never

885
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: thought about that. Uh, looking back, We just were so

886
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: focused on what we were doing in that moment and

887
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: U that the doubt didn't come in. We didn't we

888
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: didn't set any expectations on ourselves. With Arms Wide Open

889
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: written about your son, Yes, it was about it was

890
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: It was inspired when I found out I was going

891
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: to be a father for the first time. Yeah. Is

892
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: he an adult now? Yes? Why wild Like that's what

893
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, How old am I? That's one of those

894
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: moments where you're like, well, yeah, well it's it's funny

895
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: that that. You know, my other three children, um, they

896
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: all know the song and it's it's kind of you know,

897
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a family song. Now, it's for all of it's

898
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: for all of it's for all of you. You know

899
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just inspired by your big brother,

900
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: but it's for you too. He's at Scott's staff on

901
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok um creed Instagram. Is still you guys

902
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: are still to me? You still rolling? Yeah? Man, yeah,

903
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: it's still rolling. Yes they are. Let's go. Let's do it.

904
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: You heard it here, Let's go. I will be from

905
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: roh alright, Scott, great to see you, Thank you, great

906
00:45:51,600 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: to see you. Thanks for having me. Bobby at number two,

907
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: we're going with Reba McIntyre. Now, it's crazy to me

908
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: that Reba just came over to Bobby's house and we

909
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: recorded an interview with her and one of the most

910
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: genuine people I've ever met, and to be an icon

911
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: in country music, you never expect her to be as

912
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: nice as she is. But she pulled up, got out

913
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: of her car, walked in the door, and immediately looked

914
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: at me and introduced herself. She's like, Hey, I'm Reba,

915
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: and this is somebody who everybody can recognize. Reba a

916
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: person who does not have to introduce herself at any cost,

917
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: but she did. It just kind of shows you the

918
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: person she is. And when it comes to the really

919
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: successful people in music, they are always the nicest. It's

920
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: always the icons who are the nicest. People like Garth,

921
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, Reba have all had that same quality when

922
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I've had the chance to meet them. And this is

923
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: another one we've been wanting to do for a very

924
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: long time. All the stars finally a line and we

925
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: were able to sit down with Reba. So here it

926
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: is at number two, Reba McIntyre in studio with Reba.

927
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: At what point did it just turn into just Reba Gosh?

928
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: I think in um Nanny four, was that a conscious

929
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: decision by you and your team to go, I want

930
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: to be an icon, so let's just go with Reba

931
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: or it was a Marvel's idea. Yeah, And I liked

932
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: it because only when I signed my autograph. I only

933
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: had to put Reba because I'm lazy. Now it's kind

934
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: of weird to hear McIntyre. Yeah, I like it. When

935
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing liners and things, I say, have Reba McIntyre

936
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: because that has a cadence for me. But just to

937
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: do Reba's fund with me too, I go with it.

938
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: I guess you have to drag out Reba. I'm Reba Reba. Hey, Hey,

939
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: I'm Reba McIntyre. It just sounds better to me. It's

940
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: funny to see, whenever you look at your career, even today,

941
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: how relevant you are pop culture wise. Today I'm watching

942
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: ted Lasso and they're like, hey, we love the tickets

943
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: under Reba McIntyre, and so that that itself. And we

944
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: watched that episode I think two weeks ago, right did

945
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: they Did you know that was going to be in

946
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that show at all? No? I was sitting there with

947
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: riddenl Or, my dog. I was sitting there watching TV

948
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: and and Roy Kent, my favorite character of the whole show,

949
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: comes up and says, I think you're holding a ticket

950
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: for Rebo McIntyre, went Riddler, did you hear that? I

951
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: was through? Marty said the same thing. She's sitting there

952
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: with her dog Cooper. So it was it was fun

953
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing because I'm on TikTok a

954
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: lot when you know I'm a survivor, is I must

955
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: And it's everybody doing like their little household things. You know,

956
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: someone you know throws away the trash. You know that

957
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: became and it still is a huge you know TikTok trend.

958
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: That did that come out of nowhere for you too?

959
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: And did someone come up and go read all of

960
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: a sudden, this song is massive on TikTok. Yeah. I

961
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: think Justin was the one. He sent it over to me,

962
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: Justin McIntosh and uh he said, look at this, looks

963
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: what's look what's going on? And I said, well that's

964
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I said, these kids weren't even born probably

965
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: when it was out first time, and he said, we

966
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: need to do one. So we did and then it

967
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: just got bigger and bigger, very flattering. It's it's it's on.

968
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: For a few weeks that was the most the thing

969
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: that I had seen the most. Now what's odd is

970
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: that um uh neon moon is having its tow Ronnie.

971
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: It texts me and goes, hey, what's happening here? And

972
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, what's happening? And

973
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. The guy that runs TikTok

974
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: he was like, our our song is being played all

975
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: over the place. It's got some mix and then now

976
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: there's like a dance to it. But it is really

977
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: cool to see out and it's the easiest dance too,

978
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: And some of those dances I look at I can't do.

979
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: But it's like the Eat. But that song that Mike

980
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: that remix everywhere, isn't it everywhere? I'm a Survivor and

981
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: Neon Moon are probably other than Walker Hayes's fancy, like

982
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: like the two biggest songs on TikTok, but it's it's

983
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: just cool to see. I wouldn't even say every you

984
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: know generation, which I would say like ten years, but

985
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: it's like you just stay relevant and if someone comes

986
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: to you and says, you know, what's the keyest sting,

987
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: what how do you do it? How do I do

988
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: do it? I don't do nothing. I've got a great

989
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: team that come up there young. They can think of

990
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: great things for me to do, and I just go

991
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: do it. And thank god, fans like that thought it

992
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: was interesting enough to sit on the toilet seat and

993
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: change the role of toilet paper paper and then turn

994
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: into rebund good job. You know, I'm a survivor. It's

995
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: just cute things like that. I'm very flattered more than anything.

996
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: The songwriters, I mean I I text them and I

997
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: sent the TikTok over to them saying, look what's going

998
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: on for y'all song? So it's something we can all

999
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: can share and celebrate with. But it is so good

1000
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and it proves one thing, a great song will live forever.

1001
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: The you did a whole album with different remixes on it. Yeah,

1002
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: was the remix album inspired by it kind of blowing

1003
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: up again or were you already in the works with

1004
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: that before it blew up on TikTok? Cindy maybe came

1005
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: up with the idea of revisiting the catalog, and so

1006
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: their team, my team, they all got together and started

1007
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: coming up. I mean, I'm the first time we all

1008
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: said at a long conference table and they were telling

1009
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: me the ideas was that two years ago or a

1010
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: year ago at least two when we could without mask

1011
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh crap, they're they're serious. They've

1012
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of ideas here. And after the first

1013
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: fifty I was like, man, this is cool. And after

1014
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh crap, I'm gonna be way

1015
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: busier and I want to be probably, but they were

1016
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: coming up with all these ideas and then the three

1017
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: albums and three ways of doing fancy, and I thought

1018
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: it was just genius. And so here we are promotment.

1019
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: Now did you feel precious about Okay, I know you

1020
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: want to remix these songs, but to a lot of people,

1021
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: these songs you know, uh define you know, different parts

1022
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: of their life. Or were you like, hey have that.

1023
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what you guys do with three

1024
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: The latter I was saying, go for it. Then when

1025
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: they said I'm a survivor as a dance mix, I said, really,

1026
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: But it turned out great. It's fun to look at

1027
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: your top streaming songs. Fancies number one of all that

1028
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: when we went through all the different services, Gonda added

1029
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: them all up, Fancies number one, and I never and

1030
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm probably I'm sure that you've heard this many times.

1031
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: Whenever I was singing fancy as a kid, I never

1032
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: really knew what fancy was about until I got to

1033
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: be an adult. And then when when I found out

1034
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: what fancy was about. I was like, wow, I've been

1035
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: singing that song a little too passionately, like I was

1036
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: singing it. I was singing it hard. I mean, I

1037
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: was really into it. And then it's like one day

1038
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, how about that? How about that? Yeah,

1039
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: the little girl coming to school and won't just sing

1040
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: fancy for the talent not and she goes, do you

1041
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: know what this is about? She's yeah, she gets a

1042
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: brand new red dress from her mama. Okay, and then okay,

1043
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: if that's what you think it's about, that's great. So

1044
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: when you recorded that song, was there any talk with

1045
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: your with you your team, like oh, this is kind

1046
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: of an area that we're gonna be singing about that

1047
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: maybe is talked about a whole lot in contemporary country music. Well,

1048
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: when I was with Jimmy Bowen in the eighties, he said,

1049
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: is there a song you want to do do? A remix song?

1050
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, Fancy. He said, oh, woman, you

1051
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: don't need to be doing that. That's about a prostitute.

1052
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: I said, I'm totally aware of that. And so when

1053
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: I went with Tony Brown in ninety, he said, would

1054
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: you like to do a song again? And I said, fancy. He's, oh,

1055
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's my favorite song. So we did it.

1056
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: So it had been discussed years earlier and you decided

1057
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: not to cover it, but I was vetoed. Yeah, it

1058
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: was like, nope, you can't do that. Well this whenever

1059
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: h the night the lights went out in Georgia, which

1060
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: I know that song because of Mama's family and then

1061
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, doing research on her and then realizing she

1062
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: was a singer. You Vicky Lawrence, Um, when you do

1063
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: that song? Was it similar or did you go We're

1064
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: just gonna do it? And right away the same thing.

1065
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Tony said, is there another song you'd like to do

1066
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: a remix? To do it again? And I said, yeah,

1067
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: that's the night the last one out in Georgia. And

1068
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, Vicky, that was her one and only song

1069
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: she recorded went number one. That amazing. Do you have

1070
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: a conversation with a person if they're alive, Like, did

1071
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: you talk to Vicki ins? And what was her thoughts?

1072
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: Like have at it? Oh? She was thrilled to death. Yeah,

1073
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: but it was after I did it when I talked

1074
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: to her. Remember she had that talk show at TV

1075
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: talk Show and I went on envisited with her and

1076
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: we sang it together on on the show. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

1077
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: I would assume even for you, that would be pretty cool.

1078
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: And you get to do everything cool. Oh, everything I

1079
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: get to do cool. I am thrilled to death about it.

1080
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted. Still, after all this time,

1081
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: you're not jaded at oh no no. When I got

1082
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: to do the video with Dolly Parton, I was like,

1083
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: I was the biggest fan in the room. You know.

1084
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: It's it's wild to hear someone who I look at

1085
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: as being the greatest you to look at Dolly at

1086
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: the greatest she is, and to to know that you

1087
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: would walk into a room with her and be like,

1088
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: in awe, when you moved to Nashville. Where was it Doll?

1089
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: Was Dolly available when you moved to Nashville? Or was

1090
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: she in l a Was she in that face? I

1091
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: don't know. The first time I saw Dolly was September

1092
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: sevent ninety seven in person, the day the hour I

1093
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: was gonna go on and do my first performance at

1094
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: the Grand Old Opry, and they told came up and said,

1095
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna take one of your songs away from you.

1096
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: You only do one And I said why simple? Dolly

1097
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: Parton just pulled it into the parking lot and I said, well,

1098
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: she didn't take both of them. Can I meet her?

1099
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: And she walked buying this chaffaun black pants sued and

1100
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: had those butterfly rhynd stone butterflies on and this big

1101
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: cotton candy hair. Aw man, that must be what angels

1102
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: looked like. That was the most beautiful woman I ever

1103
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: saw my life. And did you say hello? No? I

1104
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: was backed up again like everybody else was. I mean,

1105
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: they said, art the waves, Dolly's coming in and I

1106
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: slammed back up against that wall and just watched. I

1107
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: don't think her feet touched the ground. She was an angel.

1108
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: And when did you guys have your first you know

1109
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: where we kind of do the same thing experience years later,

1110
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: and then she came on the reab A TV show

1111
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: and we got to spend the whole week together. That

1112
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: was precious. That's absolutely love, that priceless. I just look

1113
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: at you. Two is out of the same cut of

1114
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: the same cloth. We are as country as can be.

1115
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: You have ambitions that are bigger than just singing country music.

1116
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: Although that's your most that's your pillar. You have ambitions

1117
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: other than just that, and you both did it at

1118
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: a really high level. And I would think that that

1119
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: hopefully she would be someone the same thing with like

1120
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: Taylor to you, you know, with some of these other

1121
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: artists who are doing that, that that that you can

1122
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: reach out to it after a point and get advice

1123
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: from her to that ever happened when you reach out

1124
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: like Dolly, you know, can I can I pick your

1125
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: brain at all? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I have done that.

1126
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: I did that in the early nineties a phone call,

1127
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: and she took my call. A matter of fact, I

1128
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: called her. She was at I think Caesar's in Vegas,

1129
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: and I was in Baker's Field somewhere and I needed

1130
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: a piece of advice from her, and and um, she

1131
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: is on the tonight show the nup before and she

1132
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: said she's going to Vegas, won't be at Caesar's. So

1133
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: I call Caesar's, but you actually called the casino and

1134
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I said, um, I need to speak to Dolly Parton please.

1135
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: She said, one moment, please, who's calling? I said, Rebul

1136
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: McIntyre And presuming Dolly came on the last she said,

1137
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: is this really Reba McIntyre or some squirrel that wishes

1138
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: she was rebul McIntyre. It's me. That's funny to think about.

1139
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: We just have to call I mean, I haven't thought

1140
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: about having to do that. We just had to call

1141
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: a place to get someone. You have to call a

1142
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: restaurant and be like hey my uncle there. Yeah, that

1143
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: was like back in the day. I want to play

1144
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a little clip of does He Love You? This is

1145
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: you and Dolly here this here, love you, love you,

1146
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: lose me? He loves me? Does he think of you?

1147
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: Does he think of you? On? He was How cool

1148
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: is that to hear? Even though you've heard it ten

1149
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: thousand times? Yeah, you're right because when we first heard it, uh,

1150
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: Dave Cobb was the one that produced this one, And

1151
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: when we were going down the list of all the

1152
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: songs and listening to him, and does He Love You

1153
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: came up and I sat there and listen. I said

1154
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: play it again, and we listened to it again. It

1155
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: was just the best. Can I ask about the original

1156
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: version because from me moving to Nashville, I've gotten to

1157
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: know Linda Hillary's mom pretty well, like I love her. Yeah,

1158
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: but I remember watching that CMT you Guys video. It

1159
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: was one of the videos that and probably propped me

1160
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: up beside the jukebox when I die. Probably two that

1161
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: I really, you know, remember and think about from from

1162
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: kind of that part of my life. But originally I

1163
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: had read that you thought, maybe why knowing it would

1164
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: be the one, but Linda killed it singing it, and

1165
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: you're like, we have to go with that? Is that

1166
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: story true? Well, parsilely, Linda was on the road with me.

1167
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: She and Hilary's dad, Blank Scott. They were on the

1168
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: road with me, and I thought, Linda, we could do

1169
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: this every night on stage because she's backup singers. I

1170
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: was featuring her on some songs because she had a

1171
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: record deal, and so Tony said, well, let's well the

1172
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: record label of course, wanted either Tricia or one on

1173
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: A and I said, but it's right here. It's so handy.

1174
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: And they said, well, let's keep working on it. And

1175
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: I said, well, in the meantime while I'm recording it,

1176
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: would can Lenda just step in and do the other

1177
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: parts so I have somebody to sing against. They said okay,

1178
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: And when she got through, Tony said, she got the part.

1179
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Did you tell her? Then? Hey, you're just gonna sing

1180
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: this as kind of a demo version, do you think

1181
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: in her mind she was like, I'm gonna sing this

1182
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: so good that hopefully they can't refuse that. You know,

1183
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: Linda is so honest and so innocent. She was just

1184
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: probably glad to be there and just I don't know

1185
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: what was in her mind, but I knew she would

1186
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: kill the song love it. And you know, Olinda has

1187
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: to do a sing and she she sells herself. It's wonderful.

1188
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: Did you know that Dolly would say yes if you

1189
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: asked her to do that? Did you worry she wouldn't

1190
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: say yes? That's why I said, managers talk to managers.

1191
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to put Dolly on the spot. Besides,

1192
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't have her phone number, so I thought it

1193
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: would be a good idea just to go in that way.

1194
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: She had an out if she didn't want to do it.

1195
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: The new box that Revived, remixed, re revisited is out now. Uh,

1196
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: that is on the box set. You're also doing the

1197
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: Christmas and Tune, which is the Lifetime movie. Where does

1198
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: the acting rank on your passions? Now? I love to act.

1199
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't like to sit around her up and wait.

1200
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't like that part of it. But I'm doing

1201
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: several episodes of Young Sheldon on CBS. I love to

1202
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: do that. I love the acting. I love the preparation.

1203
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: I love to memorize my lines. I like almost all

1204
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: of it. I like the being an executive producer. I

1205
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: like being at the beginning. I like to rewrite and

1206
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: uh if they let me do that once in a while,

1207
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: and they've been they were really nice on Christmas and

1208
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: tune to let me do that. Rex helped me tremendously.

1209
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: My boyfriend, Rex Lynn, he was boy. He would make

1210
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: me rehearse every day. I knew not only my lines,

1211
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: but I knew everybody else's lines because he would be

1212
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 1: every other character and I'd be me. So it was fun.

1213
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: It was I was very prepared for that role. Whenever

1214
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: you started to do Rebuild Your your television series, did

1215
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: you guys get a straight deal or did you do

1216
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: a pilot and then the pilot got picked up? Do

1217
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: you remember I'm getting them all mixed up? Because then

1218
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: we did Malibu Country. Um, I was in the midst

1219
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: of doing any Get Your Gun. We went in in April.

1220
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: I took ten days off from and he Gets Your

1221
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: Gun to do go to California shoot the pilot. Then

1222
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: we went to Upfronts, which is in May, and I

1223
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: had done eight shows that week. I got Monday off,

1224
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning was up front, so I had to be

1225
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: but crack of dawn over there. And they changed the

1226
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: name three times. When we filmed the show for the pilot,

1227
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: it was the script was called Sally, and Marvin went

1228
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: to him and said, you know, if you did the

1229
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: afternoon filming as Sally and then in front of the

1230
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: audience tape it and Reba b Reba instead of Sally,

1231
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: then let's see how that tests out. And they said, okay,

1232
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: so the title went from Sally. By the time I

1233
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: got to Upfronts, it was deep in the heart because

1234
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: we were off from Houston, Texas and we were the

1235
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Heart family. So then there came out this thing on

1236
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: the USA today that they're publisist publicists had said, why

1237
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: the w B had ever hired Reba McIntire for this

1238
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: part is ridiculous. She's not of our what do you

1239
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: call it? Um people that watch, Yeah, she's not our demographics.

1240
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: And so the head of the cup need called by

1241
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: the time we got back to the hotel after up

1242
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Fronts and said, terribly sorry, terribly sorry. What can we

1243
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: do to make up for this. Well, I'd already gone

1244
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: back to bed. I had a performance that night. So

1245
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: Marvel was talking to Hernie. He heard me get up

1246
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom and out the other room

1247
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: and he said, um, hang onna, let me put reb

1248
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: on the line. Banged on the bathroom door. So pick

1249
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: up the phone and and I said, I said hello.

1250
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: I said, we're terribly sorry what happened and what was

1251
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: in the USA today? What can we do to make

1252
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: this up to you? And I was half asleep and

1253
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: I said, uh, oh, well, she said, well Marvell said

1254
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: if we call it Reba, you'll be happy with that.

1255
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: And I said that's a wonderful idea. Thank you, hung up,

1256
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: went back to bed. So that's how I got the

1257
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: name Reba. And so you go, did you move out

1258
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: to l A because it was that like you said, Hey,

1259
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: I got I just gotta go. If I'm gonna do this,

1260
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't need to visit it, I need to go

1261
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: live it. Oh we had. We were there three weeks.

1262
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: So what happened was I got through it and he

1263
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Speaker 1: gets your gun. On June we went to Ireland for

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: a vacation. I did five weeks all girl Tour and

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: then went to l A. Found the found an apartment,

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: a condo we lived in for the first season because

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: you never know, it could go thirteen weeks and you

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01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: don't get picked up. But then we got picked up

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01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: on the back nine, and then Marvel went house hunting

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: and we bought a house and we were there for

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: six and a half seasons. Did that ever feel like

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Speaker 1: home out there? I loved living in l A. I'd

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: love to go back and do another show. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: Have you guys, you know, explored different versions of that.

1275
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: Have you been close, real close? Have you shot a

1276
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: pilot to anything? Yeah, the Mark Cherry pilot. We did

1277
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: one called ox Blood and they passed on it. It's

1278
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: always a weird thing because I've shot a few pilots

1279
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: and had it passed on where you feel like everybody

1280
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: so pumped about it and everybody loves it. But then

1281
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: might have been talk shows and like, oh this is it.

1282
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Research has been great? Yeah, it's been, it's tested so wonderfully. Well,

1283
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: let's spend someone. Well it's just right now. So is

1284
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: that showed? That show is done. That show is done, unfortunately,

1285
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: which I thought it was gonna you know, last forever.

1286
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: I thought I'd retire off of that show. I mean

1287
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: the ox Blood that show. That's yeah. Mark Cherry, I

1288
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: love his show now Why Women Kill It's just he

1289
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: is a genius. I saw my wife watching that show

1290
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: one day and I was like, why are you watching Why?

1291
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about, just exactly what

1292
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: are your motives? Why are we learning from this show? Yes?

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01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: What my my favorite duet in country music, the cow

1294
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: Girls Don't Cry that thanks. That song to me, I

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: think is the sad It's We're in the land of

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01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: sad songs. I mean, we have the format of the

1297
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: greatest sad songs of all time, because I think we

1298
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: have the format of the realist songs of all time.

1299
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: Cow Girls don't Cry that song to me? And maybe

1300
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: it's because I just didn't have a dad growing up.

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it hits me like that and I'm not a

1302
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: cow girl, but you know there's that relationship like when

1303
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: when you heard that song, like, were you moved? Yes,

1304
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: because I am a cow girl and my daddy was

1305
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 1: a cowboy and a very strict uh cowboy. And so

1306
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: when we do that song on stage in Vegas, there

1307
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: is a huge screen behind the stage behind the setup,

1308
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: and I'm walking on stage for my part and running

1309
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: and kicks already out there, and I happened to look

1310
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: up and see that cowboy. I barely got my notes out.

1311
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: It choked me up so bad. I mean, that song

1312
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: still doesn't anytime we do, or anytime someone's interviewing me

1313
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: about country music and they're talking about emotion and song like,

1314
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: that's the one I still go to after all these years.

1315
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: And and you know, we could was fifty great sad songs,

1316
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: but that one to me, and maybe it's the time

1317
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: I when it cut and how it hits me personally.

1318
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even a cow girl, like I said, no

1319
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: cow girl with me when we when you're out on

1320
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: tour and we will end with this, She'll be out January.

1321
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've put an unhealthy expectation of

1322
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: you having to wear all the great clothes all the time. Yes,

1323
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: don't you ever just want to go and sweats and

1324
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna sing you eight songs and sweats.

1325
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: I'll never forget seeing Shannai Twain come out. Um. I

1326
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: wasn't there in person, but I saw it and she

1327
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: had those fluffy little workout pants on and tennis shoes

1328
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: and her hair in a ponytail, and I was like,

1329
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm way overthinking this. And she had all her dancers

1330
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: be Bob Brown. It was so cool, and I thought, man,

1331
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: why didn't I think of that? Okay, thank you, thank you, Bobby.

1332
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: Nice to see all of you. That was awesome And

1333
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: at number one, the best Bobby Cast of it's going

1334
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: to Brothers Osborne. I think this is the one we

1335
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: had the most messages about ever when it came out

1336
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: the day when live, the response was like enormous. I

1337
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: think it's because this episode in particular went back to

1338
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of the roots of this podcast, in the early episodes,

1339
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: in the the phases of the Bobby Cast. I think

1340
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: the really great episodes are ones that felt like a

1341
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: therapy session. A lot of times in the early interviews,

1342
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: people would cry that was kind of a thing that

1343
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: the conversation would get so in depth, to the point

1344
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: to where some people would forget they were talking into

1345
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: a microphone and it was just Bobby and the guests

1346
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: having this really kind of heartfelt conversation, and we got

1347
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: to know them so well that it felt like a

1348
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: therapy session. And there was one point in this episode

1349
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: that I think we kind of all forgot. There was

1350
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: microphones in front of everybody's faces and it was just

1351
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: Brothers Osborne and Bobby having this very genuine conversation. So

1352
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: the best episode of the year, and I think one

1353
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: of the best episodes that we've ever done on the podcast.

1354
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: So at number one, the top interview of one on

1355
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. Brothers Osborne in Studio Now with Brothers Osborne.

1356
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: The first time that I saw you, guys, I had

1357
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: been dragged to what they call a radio show boot camp.

1358
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't about country music. Heck, I wasn't even in

1359
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: country music. I was. I had built my own syndication

1360
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: company and I was doing pop and hip hop. But

1361
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: I was getting trouble because I would put Dirk's on

1362
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: ut William and be like, why are you playing coutchy

1363
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: music on pop radio? Kind of what it happens now.

1364
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: Just on the other side, I'll bring in for ll

1365
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: I'll bring in somebody and they're like, why are you

1366
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: bringing in for all lot of country. I just always

1367
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: knew what I liked. It didn't matter to me really

1368
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: what format at what Most people are that way, I

1369
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: think people are too right. But I was over there

1370
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: doing that and we're in this theater and I was

1371
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: ready for some other you know, jabrown need to get

1372
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: up and talking about something in radio that I was lame,

1373
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: and they were like, all right, before we go, we

1374
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: got these two guys on a showcase to you. I

1375
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: think it was Chicago. Yeah, And they were like, I'll

1376
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 1: never forget. This is one of the most awkward moments

1377
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: in our Brothers Osborne. And I was like, music, like

1378
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like and I also don't know if

1379
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: you recall this, but they said Brothers Osborne. And then

1380
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: the guy decides in that moment to change the batteries

1381
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: and the microphones. I'm like, why didn't you do this

1382
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: like ten minutes ago? Do you kidding me? So we

1383
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: had a dan. They're on stage where everyone had been

1384
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: they had clapped, finished clapping five minutes ago, and he's

1385
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: changing one by one of these batteries. I was like,

1386
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, I could kick you straight off the

1387
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: stage right now, and uh, let me started performing a

1388
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: new one. Really cared. Can I say another thing though

1389
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: about that? I found really bizarre about that since you

1390
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: worked in different like formats and radio why are the

1391
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: popery of people so insanely arrogant? Like I feel like

1392
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them artists, but but I find like

1393
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: these people, you know, like I feel like it's probably

1394
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: unusual in country, like you actually do know most of

1395
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: not all the country artists that come through here, but

1396
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: they always pretend like you listen to a pop station,

1397
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, yeah, I was saying with my

1398
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: boy Drake, and I'm like, I guarantee that you maybe

1399
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: just saw him in Meat and Great and it's so

1400
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: weird and they're like the most and that that thing.

1401
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: I found it almost like unbearable to watch these people

1402
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: co exist together because you had the country people who

1403
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: were like really cool and hanging out and some of

1404
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: them have their their egos, and then all the pop

1405
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: people were like, screw the country guys, even though I'm like,

1406
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: these guys have stations that are like five times the

1407
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: size of yours. I don't know why that why that happens,

1408
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: But it's culture. The answer is culture. You are in

1409
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: the pop world taught to look as cool as you

1410
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: absolutely can't even if you don't have it in the

1411
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: country world. And I find this with myself too, because

1412
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm in California a lot, working in the country world

1413
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: or the Nashville world, or the South or what however

1414
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: you want to use. You know, we are taught. Hey,

1415
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: even if you are cool, kind of scale it back

1416
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: a little bit because nobody gives a crap. Nobody does.

1417
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: So it's it's basically that that's the difference pop radio

1418
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: versus Los Angeles, versus Nashville versus country radio. It's when

1419
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: I go and I'm shooting American Idol, they think that

1420
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: I am, first of all, showing up with a haycy,

1421
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, overall. But they're also like, he's just the

1422
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: greatest guy. He's just a And it's like, I'm like

1423
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: everybody else here. You know, I don't get an award

1424
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: for being the greatest guy. I'm a good dude. But

1425
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: you gotta good dude around here. You don't survive prune

1426
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: the bad dudes here big time quick. And so yeah,

1427
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there

1428
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: if you don't show up with an entourage, even if

1429
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: you can't afford it, that's and that's anti that culture

1430
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 1: that they promote. So that's it was such a observation

1431
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: that you saw. That's how it is here. If you

1432
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: show up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you,

1433
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: Everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like, in

1434
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest singer

1435
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: and songwriter musician of all time of all genres, shows

1436
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: up by himself to like an event and where's his

1437
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: lanyard around his neck with his name on it, just

1438
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that everyone he can get backstage to

1439
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: a place he's playing. And then he's just cool and

1440
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: then he packs up his own guitar and walks off

1441
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: and drives his own ass home. I'm like, if he

1442
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: can do it, anyone can do it, right. I mean,

1443
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: I saw Stapleton drive up to a show once in

1444
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: his old truck in Nashville, get out be like, hey,

1445
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm Chris, and they were like, oh you are him,

1446
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: and they just lay the lit him. He just literally

1447
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: stables and drop his old truck, parked it behind and

1448
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: Rieman and walked in the back just to do his show.

1449
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, but yes, it's a culture. People

1450
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: in that pop culture have to act cooler than they are.

1451
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: People in this culture have to act less. And you

1452
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: really see it too. At the Grammy Awards, I feel

1453
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: like it's so funny. Once again. You'll see someone from

1454
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: country walk in and everyone's like, oh, this hokey you

1455
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: know s ob Meanwhile, I'm like, this dude sells like

1456
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, you're

1457
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: not that cool, like just chill, you know, do just

1458
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: have fun? Why is it such a you know, it's weird.

1459
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, wow, they're so nice. Shouldn't you just

1460
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: And I felt that way too early, but now I

1461
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: just take it. I'm like, I'm the night of this guy.

1462
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: I would go to meetings where and I didn't realize

1463
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: that it was so counted or that culture. But I

1464
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: would go to meetings and pitch TV shows, not for

1465
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: me because I produced a couple of shows, and I

1466
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: would go and I'll be like, I go meet I

1467
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 1: met with Less before I got in trouble. I wouldn't

1468
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: met with Less move as who was the president of

1469
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: CBS and all his people. And I showed up by

1470
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: myself at the gate and I just you know, took

1471
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: an uber got out and they were like, you're here

1472
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: by yourself, where's waiting for your team? I was like,

1473
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm the team and they were just so shocked by it,

1474
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: and they said, they verbally said, this never happens, nobody

1475
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: comes alone. This is still refreshing. And I went, oh,

1476
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: I will not do this forever. So when I go,

1477
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: and that's what I would have done anyway, I go

1478
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: by myself and I show I get a little backpack on,

1479
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hello, guys. But they're like, you're the

1480
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: nicest guy. I'm like, I'm not. But it is. It's

1481
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely a culture thing. But you guys grew up

1482
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: where you grew up in Maryland. I have to think

1483
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: felt like the South compared to its compared from New

1484
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: York and Boston in a place where I got Yes,

1485
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting, and I think it's probably

1486
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: a lot of why our music is the way that

1487
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: it is. Is we It's like to the Northerners, we

1488
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: are just like these red knecks down where we're from.

1489
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: And then people from the South treat us like word

1490
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: of these Yankees, and it's kind of like we're in

1491
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: kind of everything. No one really wants to claim us.

1492
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what's going on, but it is

1493
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: a very like homogeneous thing where I do. We do

1494
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: feel part Northeast and part Southern. It's really really strange.

1495
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: That's funny you say no one wants to claim you,

1496
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: because I felt for a while, because I'm not just

1497
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: saying this because you're here. I've been fans of you

1498
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: guys since the first time I heard you. I was

1499
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: just like, love you guys. And I think I think

1500
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: even I would tell you guys that i'd bring you

1501
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: on the show, and you play stuff and you've been

1502
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: very supportive. And this isn't me. I don't want to

1503
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: her mailbow patting myself in the back, but my point

1504
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: is is that I felt like even the format country

1505
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: music did that to you for a minute to not

1506
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: but they're like a little too rock. And then I'll

1507
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: be like, now there's a little two country where you

1508
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: kind of were in that same spot where no one

1509
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: wanted to claim you. Exactly did you feel that way? Still?

1510
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: I think you know. The thing is is that we've

1511
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: realized I think there's a lot of a lot of

1512
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: fans out there who are the same um for whatever reason,

1513
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: and it's actually been now that we are where we are,

1514
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: I think we've done really well touring because of that,

1515
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: and we've been able to make a lot happen off

1516
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 1: off of comparatively um, not a ton of radio success.

1517
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: And I think obviously to a new artist we've had,

1518
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: we have had a decent amount of radio success, but

1519
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: we've gotten a lot done with with with not much.

1520
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: And uh. And to to come full circle, though, you

1521
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: mentioned something and we were kind of heading there with

1522
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: your story talking about that that radio similar thing that

1523
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: was extremely bizarre. And I've told you this before, but um,

1524
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: we just got to meet you. I think you were

1525
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: new to country, so everyone was like, I don't know

1526
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: about this guy. You know, it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like,

1527
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,799
Speaker 1: and you're immediately coming into like one of the biggest

1528
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: like slots in radio. Um. But you sat there through

1529
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: the entirety of our performance. Most people could care less

1530
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: that we were playing. There was very few people in

1531
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: the room that paid attention. And and I will always

1532
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: remember remember that you um attendive to the entire thing.

1533
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: Whether it was because you felt incredibly sorry for us,

1534
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that probably has a lot to

1535
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: deal with it. But thanks about thank you you talking

1536
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: about it's you know when you say we haven't had

1537
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: as compared to a new artists a lot of radio success.

1538
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: It's funny because there are some songs that will hit

1539
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: number four but feel like a number one. But some

1540
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: artists right not even know you guys specifically, but urban

1541
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: will come in and I think, like Gonna Fly or

1542
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: something was never a number one, right, Well, He's like,

1543
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: you know, but it feels like the number one because

1544
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: people were I feel like, because I had to look

1545
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: at like the chart to see where you felt like

1546
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: you guys get more credit for having radio success because

1547
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of your songs were bigger

1548
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: than maybe numerically they were getting. And you are right

1549
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 1: the way. There's a really kind of a one of

1550
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people, as they always say,

1551
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: not every hit is the number one, and not everyone

1552
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: number one is a hit, and you know, it is

1553
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: weird and John and I have just racker brains all

1554
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: the time thinking about that. Some artists have a bunch

1555
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: of number ones and you can't remember them, and then

1556
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: some people have hardly any number ones, but you remember

1557
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: all of their material. And I don't know why it

1558
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: works that way, but I definitely feel that way for us,

1559
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: and that was why I really particularly missed playing in

1560
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: front of a crowd for a year and a half

1561
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: is for us, like a song like all Night, We

1562
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: felt like that would be a big hit. It was,

1563
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: it did okay, But now that we're out playing it,

1564
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: it's like you would have thought the song was was

1565
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: that number one for a month? I mean it's people

1566
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: go bananas for it now. It was really hard for

1567
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: us to I think it went to like twenty on

1568
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: the charts or something like that. That that was that

1569
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: felt like, it's like with this rejection. But usually John

1570
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: and I don't pay a whole lot of attention to

1571
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,

1572
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: it's working. But now that we are um back at it,

1573
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I get you know what what

1574
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: we do? Why we do what we do because it works. Uh.

1575
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 1: And it was extremely hard for us in the pandemic

1576
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: to just only be able to look at a chart

1577
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: position that was the one. Again, who knows what chart

1578
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah,

1579
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: so All Night was one of the ones that I

1580
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: specifically pulled and was like this thing was only in

1581
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: the twenties. Yeah, here's a clip of All Night. Another

1582
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: one was and I bet you that it just lights

1583
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: up a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I

1584
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: gotta imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every

1585
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: night it is little. Yeah, I gotta imagine people hit

1586
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: this song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,

1587
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our

1588
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: biggest song on UM the chart position wise or whatever

1589
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: was Stay a little longer, but people come. The majority

1590
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: of the crowd the song they're waiting to hear is

1591
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: this one? I mean, is it ain't my fault? Yeah,

1592
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: that's the one that they call for the most. You know,

1593
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: stay a little longer. It was being our only number

1594
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: one it UM people love that song, but they stay

1595
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: for all night. They want to hear it, but they

1596
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: stay for that. And right now we're onto our current single,

1597
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm Not for everyone, and we're it's charting, we're doing

1598
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: pretty good, but we're like, hello, can we like can

1599
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: we get moving here? Like this for still? Just like

1600
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: hey in the forties, like what's going on? But now

1601
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: that we're going out and we can play it and

1602
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: people are already responding like we're playing UM a hit song.

1603
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: It's like Okay, it's just that there's some there's other

1604
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: things that play here more than than just a chart position.

1605
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of what we do, but it's

1606
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: not the only thing, and it can be. It can

1607
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: drive I think it even artists that have lots of

1608
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: number ones. If you just look at a chart, it

1609
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: really will just eat you from the inside out. It's

1610
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: really frustrating, especially from like the forty two to thirty

1611
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: one spot that's like the swampy no man. So you're

1612
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: just trying to climb out and if you can get out,

1613
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: you got a shot. And then if you're looking at

1614
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: the chart, especially being in this business now for as

1615
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: long as we have, it's like we know nearly everyone

1616
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: that's on the charts. When your friend jump you, you're like, oh,

1617
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm canceling dinner with I think it all comes down

1618
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: to like what's your what Like, what's your own metric?

1619
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: You know? And there are people that live and die

1620
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: by the chart um, And that's fine. If that's your

1621
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: metric and that's what you base your success on, that's fine.

1622
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: That's that's how you want to do it, and it's great.

1623
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: I think for us we have to base our own

1624
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: success off of multiple metrics. Um. One of them is

1625
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: how well we're doing on radio, But most importantly, like

1626
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: t J touched on earlier, is how one how many

1627
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: butts are you put in seats into how much fun

1628
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: are they having? And how much are they have? Much

1629
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: fun are they having during that song? Can you feel

1630
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: the energy? And we have to go off of that metric.

1631
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, we've We're very grateful for how we've done

1632
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: on country radio, considering that we do sound different, um,

1633
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: and it has helped us immensely. But if we only

1634
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: hung our hat on just the chart, we would lose

1635
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: our minds, which is honestly why I don't even look

1636
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: at it. I mean I don't because what the hell

1637
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: can I do? I mean right, I'm not gonna call

1638
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: a radio promoter or some guy up and be like, hey,

1639
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: can you give me like five spins? That's what our

1640
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: promo teams for. It's just gonna drive me crazy. But

1641
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: every time they do play a song, it is a

1642
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: little advertisement for our band. And there's also this really

1643
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: strange disconnect with radio. And as John said them to me,

1644
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: I think the ultimate just stat is just tickets. You

1645
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: saw tickets? Yeah, I haven't learned the TikTok dance yet

1646
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: to your new song, So if you guys want to,

1647
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: it's not happening now, you know. I guess that's why

1648
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: I haven't learned it. We should know TikTok dance. You

1649
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: just stand still like everyone can do this? Yeah? What? Um,

1650
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: So the tour we're not We're not for everyone. Yes,

1651
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: we're not for everybody everyone. So did you name because

1652
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: it's always your name the song and the record, after

1653
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: the song, after the tour, and what order did that happen?

1654
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: And did you name the tour this because you really

1655
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: felt that or because it was a good song, or

1656
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: well a couple of different reasons. I mean, you know,

1657
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: you we know, I don't know. We titled the record

1658
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: of Skeletons because honestly, it's the song. The song Skeletons

1659
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: on that record defined I think the record. It's kind

1660
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: of the center piece. Was one of the keystones? Was

1661
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: it the first one? One of the first ones? And um,

1662
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: and then we recorded I'm Not for Everyone? Was one

1663
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: of the last songs, if not the last song that

1664
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: we recorded. We thought we got one more day, let's

1665
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: just do this song. And I'm like We're thinking, man,

1666
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: I'll sing a verse that might be kind of cool.

1667
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: It'll just be different. It'll never be a single, but

1668
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: the fans will like it. And then um, we put

1669
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: the record out and then people started freaking out about

1670
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: this song in particular. And I think it has a

1671
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: lot to do with the message. I mean, you look

1672
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: at the times that we're in now and everyone is

1673
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: claiming you know who they are, and this is what

1674
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: I do. And also like coming to terms with the

1675
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: fact that you just can't please everybody, especially in two

1676
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: thousand one. So we felt the traction of the song,

1677
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: so we decided, you know, we gotta put it out.

1678
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: And then us, um, it is a bit of our Montrail.

1679
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: We are accepting that we just are not for everybody.

1680
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: You look at our songs, getting the twenty at best

1681
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, and then um, getting to Kneel

1682
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: and Travis, who are both a very unique, very awesome

1683
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: Left of cener artists. It's just kind of work. The

1684
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: whole message seemed to come together at one time. I

1685
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: wish I could say that we were smart enough to

1686
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: see in the future like that, but we're not. And

1687
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: just but we saw how the thing was shaping up

1688
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: when we took advantage of it. And I think that

1689
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: it is one of those things that you that John

1690
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: and I wrote it from the perspective of of of

1691
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: this is how we feel and to our surprise, So

1692
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: I think nearly everyone feels that way. Yeah, you know.

1693
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: Whenever I wrote so, I was some very personal things

1694
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: in my first book, and I thought, I'm gonna share

1695
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of it

1696
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: had to do with either the drug addiction my mom

1697
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: had before she died or a lot of the really

1698
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and that

1699
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: I loved her, but it was a very tough relationship.

1700
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean, hex she got pretty much fifteen right, and

1701
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: my dad leafed, so she had to But I was

1702
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: going there was a lot of stuff, and even when

1703
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: she reached her breaking point, she did some things that

1704
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 1: I know she wouldn't be proud of, but because drugs

1705
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: had a taking control of her. And so I wrote

1706
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: and then that I was trying to tell the story

1707
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: of someone who had been through that, not through her

1708
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: side of it, through mine. And I've never had a

1709
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: drink of alcohol and never touched the drug because I've

1710
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: been so scared of it. I wish I could. I mean,

1711
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: and that to me, the one thing I want to

1712
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: do is relax and so um. But I wrote these

1713
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: stories and I thought, man, other people are gonna feel

1714
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: sorry for me. You're gonna tell me to shut up,

1715
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: but they're not going to understand. And I put it out.

1716
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: And what I learned is, and I say this because

1717
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you just expressed the same thing to me. What I

1718
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: learned was I never felt so welcomed or like I

1719
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: was included until I felt like I was so not included.

1720
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: I thought, this is my story. No one's gonna understand,

1721
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel like me. Um. But

1722
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: it turns out just because people aren't screaming about it

1723
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not feeling it. Yeah, exactly. And that

1724
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you say we're not for everyone, we do.

1725
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: That's how I felt about me. But I would be

1726
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: doing a mean greet somewhere, you know, we'd be I'd

1727
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: be doing something come up. It's like you know the

1728
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: story about you know that that touched me and I

1729
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: felt that severely when I came out. It was, you know,

1730
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know how it would be received.

1731
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: I know some people would be supportive and some people

1732
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: would probably hate. But I think the thing that was

1733
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: really um one of the most um like recharging things

1734
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: of it or whatever or inspiring things to me were

1735
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: the parents and stuff being like, hey, my kid, parents

1736
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: have other other kids. Yeah, are being like this is great.

1737
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: You know I've always I was getting a lot of

1738
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff of just people who themselves weren't gay,

1739
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: but we're really close to someone who was, and this

1740
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: felt like just like a relief for them, and UM

1741
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: and that yeah, so I know what you mean. It

1742
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: was I didn't expect that, and it was one of

1743
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: the coolest experiences I've ever felt. Did you feel more love?

1744
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: And you just said this, but I just want to

1745
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: hear this from you again because I did. Did you

1746
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: feel more love than you expected? I did? And you know,

1747
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm and I've talked about this um before, but is uh.

1748
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: I absolutely felt more loved than I expected. And I

1749
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: even feeling the love from people that I knew loved me. Um,

1750
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: it was. It just was so different. It was so overwhelming,

1751
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: and it's the thing I wish everyone got to experience,

1752
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: because everyone has loved more than they realized they are.

1753
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: And the kind of sad part is there's a lot

1754
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: of people don't talk about how much they love someone

1755
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: until they've died or something really tragic. Um. And you know,

1756
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: it was a difference of just like someone you know,

1757
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: it's like I compared to someone just leaves like all right,

1758
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: all right, love you man, see you later, as opposed

1759
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders and being

1760
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: like I love you. Like it just was like, wow,

1761
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: it's the same word, but it just hit in such

1762
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: a different way, UM that I just thought in that moment, Wow,

1763
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: like just for this alone to feel this is um

1764
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: it sais something I wish everyone could feel at some

1765
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 1: point in time. Why at that point in time, like

1766
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: do you have a conversation like let's just do it

1767
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: now where you finally like I just feel like telling people, well, yeah,

1768
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: I mean I always wanted to come out and this

1769
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: was a huge um hurdle for me because I was

1770
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: always really really afraid that I would look opportunistic, and

1771
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: so I never wanted it to never wanted to be

1772
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: anything that would just not here here, here, we need

1773
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: some publicity or whatever. Um. And so in order to

1774
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: do that. I always felt like I need to do

1775
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: this at the height of my career, and then through

1776
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I'm like, yeah, you know, I just really

1777
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: one was kind of the things that were important to

1778
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: me were very simple things, things that I've had my

1779
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: virtually my whole life was doing the same sitting around

1780
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: fire or having in some drinks, just you know, chewing

1781
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: the fat with people. That was I mean, the things

1782
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: that I was still having the same that were fun

1783
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm like, I can do this, you know.

1784
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: When I when I was broke, I was having doing

1785
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: these same exact things, you know. So I just felt

1786
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: like at that point, like and then also, who who

1787
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: knows when you're at the height of your career, And

1788
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: so then the other fear was what if I have

1789
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: to You never know that you have passed the height

1790
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: of your career until you're on the way down. And

1791
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: then if I came out, then it's still it just

1792
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: seems like I'd be jump on the shark to people.

1793
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: And so I just felt kind of stuck in this

1794
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: weird thing of like I'm unsure the perfect time. And

1795
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: then finally, just one day I just thought like I

1796
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: gotta do this, like, and I gotta do it now,

1797
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go back to work to

1798
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: where I just did have distractions again, like I need

1799
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: to do this now where I can focus on it.

1800
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: And and the other thing too was I want to

1801
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: be able to build Mike. Why would I not want

1802
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: to get to the height of my career being just

1803
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: completely open about who I am and what I am

1804
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: And John and I are really proude ourselves for just

1805
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: being who we are. I mean, hell, alert's where song

1806
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like their mission statement,

1807
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: so to speak. And so at that point, I was like,

1808
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: it needs I don't know that there ever is a

1809
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: perfect time, and there really isn't in your brain until

1810
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: you do it and then you realize that that was

1811
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 1: the perfect time. Just appreciate you, guys, and sound likewise,

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