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Speaker 2: You're not going to free shot all these networks lying

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Speaker 5: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of people experiencing legitimate pain and

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Speaker 6: How did this happen? Well, as we try to begin

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Speaker 2: And that's the Vanity Fair story, which I recommend everybody reads.

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Speaker 2: will take out Trump. And once we take out Trump,

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Speaker 2: this movement will just fritter away.

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Speaker 1: What does not kill you makes you stronger.

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Speaker 2: The central part of our movement is resilience. You can

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Speaker 2: kick us to the curb, you can stop us, you

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Speaker 2: can beat us in a battle, but you can't win

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Speaker 2: the war.

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Speaker 1: And you will not win the war.

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Speaker 2: You people are revolting, revolting what you have done to

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Speaker 2: this country, what you have done to the citizens of

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Speaker 2: this country.

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Speaker 8: And yes, yes, yes, you will pay a price for that.

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Speaker 8: You will pay a price for that. It's called justice,

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Speaker 8: rough Roman justice.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Stephen k Back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I've got time, I'm gonna get more into this.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna spend a lot of time the resistance is

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Speaker 2: already picked up. And of course the brains of the operation,

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Speaker 2: part of the media brains, is Rachel Mattain. We'll break

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Speaker 2: down what she's got to say.

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Speaker 1: The two angles of attack.

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Speaker 2: One are in the economic and financial side, the others

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Speaker 2: and deportations. Write this down, mass deportations, mass deportations. Write

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Speaker 2: that down, because that's the other angle of attack. They're

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Speaker 2: coming at us. And that's what I'm saying today. You

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Speaker 2: know you had your day off, right, I was with you. Well,

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Speaker 2: everybody's a little sleepy yesterday. But today it's another You know,

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Speaker 2: you're back to the ramparts because you're going to reorganize

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Speaker 2: and we're going on offense.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go on offense.

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Speaker 2: Let me play a CNBC piece and then I'm bringing

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Speaker 2: Scott Bessett.

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Speaker 1: Real quick to display it. We don't have it now, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Scott, why don't you talk about it was on CNBC

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Speaker 2: you did a hit.

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Speaker 1: You did a hit yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me and this is you went on there

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Speaker 2: and afterwards some things happen in the bond market. I

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Speaker 2: want you, I want you to okay, let's be quiet

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Speaker 2: over there, producer, I got it. You missed the mark,

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Speaker 2: but I got my guests here, Scott describe what happened.

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Speaker 2: You see, why'd you go on CNBC?

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Speaker 9: Well, Steve, I've been very concerned that I, as you know,

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Speaker 9: predicted the red wave, the trifecta, and I've been very

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Speaker 9: concerned that the bond market would explode on the upside,

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Speaker 9: which it has been doing, by the way, since Jerome

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Speaker 9: Pwell's inappropriate fifty basis point rape cut at the FED

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Speaker 9: meeting in September, so we'd already moved seventy basis points,

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Speaker 9: and yesterday the bond market had the biggest move the upward,

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Speaker 9: interest rates going up that it had since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: So unfortunately, my prediction was correct, and a lot of

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Speaker 9: people mistakenly think that Donald Trump, led by this narrative

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Speaker 9: in the mainstream media, a lot of people mistakenly think

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Speaker 9: that Donald Trump's policies are going to be inflationary. Mike Bloomberg,

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Speaker 9: you know that the head globalist in chief has an

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Speaker 9: editorial in publication he owns today saying, Oh, Donald Trump's

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Speaker 9: back for more. I completely disagree with that, and I

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Speaker 9: think that interest rates are going to go up for

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Speaker 9: the right reason, because growth is very high, and then

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Speaker 9: I think that everyone will discover that President trump policies

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Speaker 9: of the energy dominance deregulation.

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Speaker 3: Will be disinflationary.

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Speaker 9: So I went on yesterday to try to calm the

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Speaker 9: markets and get the real talking points across instead of

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Speaker 9: this hysteria that's been going on.

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Speaker 1: Ok On, Scott, hang on for one second.

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Speaker 2: Let me play the CNBC clip which I have, Thank

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Speaker 2: you Denver palm Beach and my correct production team.

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Speaker 1: Let's play. I don't want to bring you back in.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. Okay, Finn, hang on, Let's just go back

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Speaker 1: to it. Bention.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing that Scott, I want to make sure

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Speaker 2: we we set this in perspective because we still don't

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Speaker 2: technically have it. The what they're trying to make an argument,

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Speaker 2: either bond vigilantes or whatever is that Trump's when you

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Speaker 2: look at Trump's.

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Speaker 1: Let me step back for a second for the audience.

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Speaker 2: What Scott Besson has come on this show and said

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Speaker 2: for the last couple of years is the following that

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Speaker 2: we have given what the established order on Wall Street

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Speaker 2: in the local class, with this thing of called modern

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Speaker 2: monetary theory, we just have these massive deficits and keep

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Speaker 2: printing money forever, but eventually, you know, deficits.

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Speaker 1: Who has never had a big political.

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Speaker 2: Traction gets into this, gets into the deficits, get to

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Speaker 2: debt and the way you finance it, particularly a short

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Speaker 2: term that's where this inflation gets embedded. And that's where

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Speaker 2: the American people get crushed and never turn around. And

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Speaker 2: what Scott Besson has been warning Scott Bestman saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: if Trump does not get back in, this is your

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Speaker 2: last chance to actually have a supply side or a

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Speaker 2: Reagan type or you know, a growth policy that we

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Speaker 2: can grow our way out of here eventually, okay, And

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Speaker 2: that's based upon it is based upon energy, you know

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Speaker 2: of full spectrum energy dominance, the Trump theory. It's based

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Speaker 2: upon you know, decreasing the spending with Elon Musk, but

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Speaker 2: get to like three percent of the deficit, not seven.

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Speaker 1: Or eight percent.

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Speaker 2: But it's all these things, these and these are going

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Speaker 2: to be and hang and deregulation, as the deconstruction ministry state.

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Speaker 2: The deregulation part of it to unlock the animal spirits

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Speaker 2: in the entrepreneurial spirits because remember the mag of movement.

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Speaker 2: We're both populous nationalists. But it's the where the entrepreneurs. Also,

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Speaker 2: it's entrepreneurial populism. Now against that, you have this narrative

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Speaker 2: from Wall Street in the central banks. Every says no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no Trump. But Trump's saying what he's got this theory

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Speaker 2: is actually more inflationary.

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Speaker 1: And so pick it up.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened yesterday, That's what was in the bond

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Speaker 2: market yesterday. And tell them about what you said on

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Speaker 2: CNBC that quite frankly stopped this.

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Speaker 3: Sir, Well, look, I just gave the facts.

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Speaker 9: And the facts are easy because, to use a favorite

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Speaker 9: term of the progressive left, we have a lived experience.

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Speaker 9: We have the lived experience of Donald Trump one point

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Speaker 9: zero from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. And you know what,

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Speaker 9: to be fair, I'll take out the COVID years, because

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Speaker 9: they take it on the deficits. I'll take it out

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Speaker 9: on the inflation side, that the growth was high and

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Speaker 9: inflation was low and everybody won. And you just it's

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Speaker 9: absurd that they are concocting this boogeyman that what didn't

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Speaker 9: happen before is somehow going to happen now.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I am worried Steve, that.

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Speaker 9: The the elites the other side.

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Speaker 3: They tried lawfare that didn't work. They tried impeachment that

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Speaker 3: didn't work. And now I am worried that they have.

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Speaker 9: Taken the economy to such a bad place and getting

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Speaker 9: ready for the election, they may try to spike the

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Speaker 9: cannon on the way out the door. Because one of

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Speaker 9: the things that would surely the cripple or the cut

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Speaker 9: back the very ambitious programs that President Trump has for

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Speaker 9: the first one hundred days, for the first year, for

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Speaker 9: the four years, would be an economic problem. So I

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Speaker 9: actually think that they are going to use the economy

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Speaker 9: this time to slow down hang on the America.

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Speaker 2: First move Trump Trump is We're gonna get more into

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Speaker 2: the next place. Trump is stepping into a firestorm created

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Speaker 2: by them. Remember, the theory of modern monetary theory is

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Speaker 2: deficits don't matter, and hey, if they ever become a problem,

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Speaker 2: we just raised taxes a couple of hundred percent and

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Speaker 2: you paid.

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Speaker 1: It's all nonsense, it's all fantasy.

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Speaker 2: It was a dangerous, stupid theory that no, and we

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Speaker 2: used America as the as the experiment, and now we're in.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is walking into a situation, the ticking time

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Speaker 2: bomb on our national security is not Ukraine, and not

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, and not even my beloved let's take

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Speaker 2: them down Chinese Communist Party around Taiwan. The ticking time

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Speaker 2: bomb in the national security of the United States is debt.

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Speaker 2: That's adding a tree in dollars of debt every hundred days.

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Speaker 2: And now the interest rates are over, We're paying over

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Speaker 2: a trillion dollars every year in interest. That's the ticking

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Speaker 2: time bomb is ticking loud and fast. So everything bestn't

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Speaker 2: and uh and in warsh and Larry Kudlow and everybody's

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Speaker 2: trying to work together in Navarre and the whole team

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Speaker 2: with President Trump, a businessman and a financier, is to

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Speaker 2: work in this. I know you get a bounce, but

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Speaker 2: your your term spiked the cannon before they leave.

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Speaker 1: Be specific about that.

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Speaker 2: What does god Bessett mean when you use that that quite.

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Speaker 1: Explosive phrase, sir.

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Speaker 9: Well, So Steve Jenny Yellen, who I think is going

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Speaker 9: to go down as the worst Treasury secretary in modern history.

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Speaker 9: The has run and emerging style, emerging market style election economy.

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Speaker 9: So what what what has she done? She has the

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Speaker 9: we run a seven percent budget deficit to GDP, the

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Speaker 9: largest deficit when there wasn't a re set and not

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Speaker 9: a war. We have never done that before, and it

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Speaker 9: is just pure spending. They tried to spend their way

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Speaker 9: to a victory like they do in Argentina, like they

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Speaker 9: do in Turkey, and by creating they have inflated an

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Speaker 9: asset bubble in housing and in the stock market, but

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Speaker 9: only the top twenty percent benefit from that. So you've

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Speaker 9: got an asset bubble and housing and stocks twenty percent,

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Speaker 9: a seven percent deficit to GDP. And then, just like

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Speaker 9: they do before an election in Turkey, she moved all

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Speaker 9: the borrowing to the front end of the curve to

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Speaker 9: keep interest rates down.

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Speaker 3: And now that debt's going to have to be turned out,

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Speaker 3: and that I.

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Speaker 2: Full stop, full stop, full stop, full stop, full stop,

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Speaker 2: full stop.

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Speaker 1: I need to hit I know you got to go

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Speaker 1: and need a mine on this.

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Speaker 2: It's like paying a mortgage on a credit card. Bessing

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Speaker 2: came of that phrase about six months ago. It's like

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Speaker 2: you're paying your mortgage on your credit card at twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent APR. Okay, they were just like, we're no

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Speaker 2: different than Argentina. One third of the debt, one third

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Speaker 2: of the debt's got to be refinanced every year. They're

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Speaker 2: just doing a short term and bills and notes and nineties, right,

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Speaker 2: because they don't have the guts to actually go out

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Speaker 2: and determine out long term, which you should do as

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Speaker 2: like a major country, you know, the most powerful economy world,

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Speaker 2: the largest, most powerful nation in post industrial world.

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Speaker 1: Scott Bessant. She did the opposite.

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Speaker 2: And now Trump has got to come in and put

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Speaker 2: you know, he's supposed to be the sower of chaos.

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Speaker 1: He's supposed to be the sower of disorder. He's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the disruptor.

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Speaker 2: No, the established order is chaos because they put more

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Speaker 2: money in their pocket and they keep more control and power.

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Speaker 1: That's what this has always been about. Scott Bessant.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's why Tuesday night was a great night

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Speaker 9: because ordinary American people, the entrepreneurs and patriots pushed back

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Speaker 9: against it and said it's our country and we're going

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Speaker 9: to fix this. And I am confident the President Trump

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Speaker 9: is going to have a great four years. He gave

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Speaker 9: a wonderful acceptance speech. It was inclusive as conciliatory, and

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Speaker 9: I think once we can get over this hump and

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Speaker 9: not let them they spike the Cannon. Then we could

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Speaker 9: be in the Trump Golden Age for the next four years.

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Speaker 2: Scott social media? How do people get to your email?

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Speaker 1: All of it?

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Speaker 2: A big article in Financial Times will deal with that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: About you? How do people find it?

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Speaker 9: More?

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Speaker 1: About you?

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Speaker 9: I r at k e ysq dot com.

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Speaker 2: Sir, Honored to have you on here, and I know

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Speaker 2: that I think the country respects that you're part of

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Speaker 2: the financial economic team with the other guys that people

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Speaker 2: know maybe a little bit more of to help President

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Speaker 2: Trump think through these issues.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Thanks Steve, see you later in the week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks brother. Okay Man, what have I said from the beginning?

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Speaker 2: If you go back Clayton Mitchell and my sister had

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Speaker 2: had I gave a talk in Pinehurst a year ago,

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Speaker 2: I think it was a year ago, and I said

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Speaker 2: in Pinehurst's the speech, I said, let's go to January

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Speaker 2: February twenty twenty five, or let's go to the afternoon

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Speaker 2: or twenty January twenty twenty five. President Trump's has been inaugurate.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's going to happen. There's a financial crisis building

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Speaker 2: up because we have the McCarthy debt ceiling deal becomes

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Speaker 2: you got the debt ceiling. You've got the budget because

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Speaker 2: you know they're just going to do CRS. How did

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Speaker 2: I guess that, Well, I guess I just looked at history.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have a budget, these deficits of a training

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Speaker 2: and a half to two train. Donald Trump's gonna have

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Speaker 2: to deal with it, and you have the recision or

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Speaker 2: the reversal of all the tax cuts that were the

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Speaker 2: basis of his economic policy. The blacks, Hispanic men that

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Speaker 2: voted for Trump, it was twofold.

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Speaker 1: One was a cultural set of cultural issues.

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Speaker 2: That he's trying to address, but the other was economic.

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Speaker 2: They said, hey, you know what, besides all this trash

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Speaker 2: they talk about this guy, eighteen and nineteen, our communities

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Speaker 2: were better.

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Speaker 1: My family made more money, I made more money.

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Speaker 2: So the basis of that is Trump's tax cuts and deregulation.

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Speaker 1: So that's all in the second I said.

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Speaker 2: The second part of it's the deportations, the mass deportations.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly the angle of attack they're coming now

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Speaker 2: to thwart Trump's second term. They want to spike the

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Speaker 2: cannon on the financial side, who has very little room

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Speaker 2: to maneuver, and they've already started the infrastructure of the

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's kids in cages.

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Speaker 1: All. Next in the war.

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Speaker 4: Room, here's your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 2: Bath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So first off, David Pacman for picking on my sister.

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Speaker 2: You motivated her. She was a warrior. One of the

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Speaker 2: reasons we won in North Carolina was Marybeth.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I won't give her last name because they may go

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Speaker 2: blow her house up, but all the Merrybeth's out there.

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Speaker 2: And pac Man, Yo, bro, how's your long face today?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get a lot longer. It's as sad that

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Speaker 2: you're sad. I know you're sad. By the way, saw

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Speaker 2: Alex Wagner was sad. She quote quote her like Evelyn Woe.

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Speaker 2: Well she she did the thing on the bruise. She's

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Speaker 2: she's sad. Why are you sad?

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Speaker 1: Wagner?

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Speaker 2: Why are you sad? You've been a court jester for

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Speaker 2: this crowd for a decade. Why are you sad today?

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Speaker 2: And why you said we became the defenders? You know,

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Speaker 2: one of the first things I ever want to do,

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Speaker 2: I keep telling the people around President Trump that are

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Speaker 2: doing the day to day I want to go to

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Speaker 2: Hollywood and take get all these FBI shows off, all

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Speaker 2: these shows because this is how they got all the

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Speaker 2: progressors out there in Hollywood that hate us, and did

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Speaker 2: those celebrity endors. Hey, George Clooney, how'd your deal go

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Speaker 2: with Biden? That work out for you? The Harris You

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Speaker 2: know you're detested now by people in the left because

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Speaker 2: they figured Biden couldn't have done as as.

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Speaker 1: Badly as she has.

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Speaker 2: You did that, bro, Oh Steve Banners, just hey, yo, bro,

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Speaker 2: we're back and we're ascend it. And you helped Katie Perry.

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Speaker 2: You wonder how dumb is a brick she's is? How

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Speaker 2: unself aware? Yo, girl? You were with Hillary in sixteen

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Speaker 2: I think at the exact same place and we smoked

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Speaker 2: her and guess what it was in Philadelphia we wanted

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Speaker 2: because of the lack of folks coming out to vote

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Speaker 2: for Hello, you did it again, same thing happened. But

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Speaker 2: that's great. Your endorsements helped us. One, it motivates people

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Speaker 2: because how much they cannot stand and detest you. And

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Speaker 2: number two, it's just you, just you come across and

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't motivate people, even on your side. I

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Speaker 2: think they're finding out now, Matt Boyle, they got the

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Speaker 2: stories out, Okay, Harris raised a billion dollars cash money.

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Speaker 2: They had one hundred million I think with the week

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Speaker 2: left in the end, with twenty million in a debt,

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Speaker 2: and now there's all this stuff. Did the money get stolen?

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Speaker 2: And in fact, you know, Jonathan Martin was out there,

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Speaker 2: who's a smart guy, was on MSBC.

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Speaker 1: I think they did the Sunday show.

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Speaker 2: I think they were doing specials like we were there

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, or maybe it was Monday. He said, I've

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Speaker 2: never seen a grand ground game. They put so much

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Speaker 2: money into it. It's so much better than the war

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Speaker 2: Room Posse and all these others that were kind of

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Speaker 2: self organized, the Sam Fattis's and the Chase and all

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Speaker 2: the states what company guys had down in Georgie. You

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Speaker 2: have some professional but you've got all these volunteers that

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Speaker 2: would be you. And guess what the militias won. The

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Speaker 2: volunteers won. And now they're saying George's guys is a

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Speaker 2: link to a story of a drudge that their money

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Speaker 2: was stolen. You know, there's a bunch of articles about

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Speaker 2: poor Elon. He got picked off, but he got picked

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Speaker 2: off by the political class.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: This money, I guess, but stolen and nothing happened at

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Speaker 2: least Elon and them had volunteers under their professionals and

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Speaker 2: got it done. Because you see by the massive turnout.

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Speaker 2: I say massive turnout, I think President Trump's going to

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Speaker 2: come out to the exact same seventy four million, maybe

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Speaker 2: higher higher. My crack analytical department tells me higher. Send

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Speaker 2: me for what a number. You're telling me a guy,

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Speaker 2: Let's think about this for a second. You can't get

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Speaker 2: off this because it gets back to you got to

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Speaker 2: go back to the railhead. It's like a doctor or

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Speaker 2: surgeon get into the disease. You can't just deal the symptoms.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get to the root cause of the disease.

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Speaker 1: Leftis art. I said, let's get to root causes. We need,

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Speaker 1: root causes we need.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to root causes of Alex Wagner. Take

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Speaker 2: your number two persil out and write this down. Get

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Speaker 2: your little notebook, your perky It's like your first day

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Speaker 2: at school. Got your you know your mom packed some

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Speaker 2: sandwiches for you in your lunchbox. No, Alex, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be the patriarchy, right. I didn't

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Speaker 2: play the Tucker thing. We talked about spanking the daughter.

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Speaker 2: We're not trying to be the you know, we're not

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Speaker 2: trying to be the patriarchy.

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Speaker 1: We're not. I'm not trying to man explain to you.

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Speaker 1: I am not. We'll have Natalie Winners. She's twenty three.

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Speaker 1: She'll come on, she'll explain it to you. This afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk.

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Speaker 2: We'll deconstruct the patriarchy part of it. It's the institutions

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Speaker 2: that have become detached from the lived experience of American

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Speaker 2: citizens in globalization. This is where we had to cut

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Speaker 2: the Parford brevity. But Harris dumbant, America is an idea.

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Speaker 2: America is an idea. She's channeling Paul Ryan. America is

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Speaker 2: an idea. That's all the crap you're heard from the

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Speaker 2: National Review crowd. America is an idea. It ain't an idea.

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Speaker 2: It's a country with borders and land and people in

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Speaker 2: a civic society that underpins this. The little, the little,

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Speaker 2: the little and the little generals of the of the

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Speaker 2: civic society, as Edmund Burke said it, the Kawana's club

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Speaker 2: and the bowling league in the in the church softball league,

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Speaker 2: and little league, and and and you know, the Irish

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Speaker 2: dancing everything that makes up community. Your institutions, by the way,

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Speaker 2: which had middle class workings, as people got into it,

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Speaker 2: not just the least, but they became part of the

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Speaker 2: credential class. The enforcement mechanism for the oligarchs. Haven't you

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Speaker 2: seen that girl, Look in the mirror and understand what

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Speaker 2: you've dedicated your life to.

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Speaker 1: The enslavement of your fellow citizens. One of the four

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Speaker 1: beasts say come and see.

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Speaker 2: And the little guy you didn't listen to him in

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Speaker 2: sixteen and Trump was a fascist and a dictator.

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Speaker 1: All this an anti democratic art democratic.

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Speaker 2: You can't know the popular vote because the electoral college

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Speaker 2: is racists and fascists and xenophoba.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye ba bye bah.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna blow you out on the popular vote. The

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Speaker 2: working class black men, Hispanic families, Hispanic men, the Arab

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Speaker 2: American men in Michigan, the Somalians in Minneapolis, white working

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Speaker 2: class Scotch Irish Italians, his Spanish for the Rio Grande Valley, Alex.

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Speaker 2: What they did on Tuesday is give you the middle

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Speaker 2: finger and say, suck on this.

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Speaker 1: We're tired of it.

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Speaker 2: And this guy named Trump, who for the last four

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Speaker 2: years you've tried to destroy comes across to us as

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Speaker 2: a warrior, comes across to us as a gladiator, comes

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Speaker 2: across us as a leader, because why is the man

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Speaker 2: trying to destroy him?

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Speaker 1: Like you've destroyed our communities.

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Speaker 2: And you've destroyed our families, and you've destroyed our jobs,

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Speaker 2: and you destroyed our ability to stand on our own

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Speaker 2: two feet without the government and say, yes, this is mine.

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Speaker 1: I've worked for this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pass this down to my children, and

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Speaker 2: they're going to pass it down to their children. So

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Speaker 2: people are not here for five and six generations and

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Speaker 2: have nothing and own nothing, and what they have you sprinkle.

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Speaker 1: Out like the French aristocracy. I detest you people.

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Speaker 3: He's in the Petre