WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Making The Right Changes? 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.920 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.239 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.440 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:25.759 wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.760 Derek Eagleton. It is Winsday, January seventeenth to twenty eighteen, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.680 Season thirteen, Episode one hundred. Welcome to another edition of 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.599 The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.880 the Star. I'm very happy to have a larger version 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.280 of David Hellman in studio with us. Thank you. Back 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.440 to the old days. We got Brian back with us today. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.720 Is it really the hundredth episode? It is our hundred 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.519 of this season, the season of the season. I just 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.160 watched my hundredth player already of the college just today, 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.320 thrown't you? I'm trying? Is that faster than normal? Yeah, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.440 when you get bounced from the playoffs earlier, I can 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.280 start a little earlier. Yeah, when'd you start? Like December 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.840 December fifth? December fifth, and then once you know, we 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.360 started doing stuff at night and then and then We've 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.080 had two of the draft shows on. Thank you for 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.479 doing that, by the way, and Brugler and I sit 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.520 there and blow through some guys too. I mean, I'm 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.240 down to guys now. I'm thinking like third fourth round guys. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.200 So this Delta State or somebody the other day there, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.200 I mean there's a Delta state. Yeah, watch the little 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.119 Delta State. It's a Mississippi. It makes sense, Delta yeah, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.840 and the Delta makes sense. Yeah. So you're doing on average, 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.720 you do what two and a half players a day? 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.800 No more than that. I mean I could with the 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.240 way the Cowboys have it set up with their skyting department, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.000 which is one of the great things, and thank you 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.600 Jones family for allowing me to do this. But the 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.319 the they have a player's cut up, so like they 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.400 all have twelve games. Like I'll watch a receiver and 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.000 they'll have the all twelve games, all the balls thrown 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.040 to a guy. So you just go bang bang bang 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.240 on this player. Yeah, you can watch twelve You can 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.560 watch a guy get a hundred balls thrown to him 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.840 and then write a scouting report on that. That's different 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.040 than it used to be back in the day. I'm 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.440 sure when you have to watch a full game just 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.320 to get But you know, when we're back in Green Bay, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.600 we we did that, I mean back in the day guy. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.280 But we used to Ron Wolfe, who's a Hall of 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.799 Fame journal manager. He would he would have us cut 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.799 up the tape. He was not going to sit there 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.480 and watch like a whole you know, he was. Everything 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.920 was cut up. So that's we used to it back 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.120 in the early nineties. That's what we used to about Rome. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:26.359 When I was born, Yeah, my wallet did. Okay, when 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.000 was everybody born? Nick? I know you're an old six Okay, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.720 you're old seventy two, seventy two, and you're okay, my 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.440 wallet is older than you, my wallet pocket, and I'll 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.320 do this for everybody's now here's a better game, all 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.640 right here? Nineteen eighty six. I've had this wallet nineteen 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.400 eighty six. Wow, I know it was when I was 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.919 at LSU. So, yeah, my wallet is older than you. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.440 So questions like this is a better deal, Nick, What 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.640 were you doing in nineteen ninety two? Uh, ninety two, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.120 I was a junior in high school watching the Cowboys? Brian, 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.600 what were you doing in nine to my twenty seventh birthday? 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.359 I started with the Packers December twelfth, nineteen ninety one. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.520 So I was working with the Green Bay Packers at 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:11.000 the time. Yeah. Nice, you're being born, Yeah, you're being 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:18.320 born the end of night. Yeah around. Yeah, that's that's 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.239 one of the things about working at this place. You 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.040 get the great disparity of ages. So didn't that the 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.239 fun part that it is the fun part, because yeah, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:26.880 I learned a lot of different things that I would 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.679 never know speaking on Snapchat, right, I don't need to 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.320 be on Snapchat. No Snapchat. Dave's out today, Dave's got 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.200 some he's having some personal time and getting to commune 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.080 with himself and learn more about himself with the Wolves. Yeah, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:42.600 he'll have some stories for us by the time he's 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.760 setting of the camp fire by himself, right. Yeah. So 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.520 so he will not be joining us today. And actually 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.480 next week you guys will all be I know, for Brian, Nick, Dave, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.760 you guys will all be in um at the Senior 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:58.280 Bowl Alabama and uh and so we'll have three shows 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.160 from there next week from the Draft show. We won't 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.280 have a Cowboys break, but we'll have the Draft show 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.960 there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Correct, Yeah, absolutely, and the rosters. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.160 The Senior Bowl come out tomorrow, so you've got Houston 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.560 and the Denver Broncos or coaching them up, and yeah, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.400 full coverage a lot of you know, Nick and Dave 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.080 will be hovering around the Jones clan and I will 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.320 be watching some players, and I'm sure there'll be a 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.920 lot of great content reports from practice every day on 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.400 their end of it, and then I'll be writing scouting 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.280 reports about players that played well kind of at twelve points, hey, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.920 North practice, South practice, who look good and kind of 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.839 get everybody ready for that awesome, So you gotta stay 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.360 tuned for that. There'll be a lot of really great 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.000 coverage next week from Senior Bowl, as we do every year. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.800 So let's talk a little bit about some of these 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.800 coaching changes that are going on with the Cowboys. It 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.960 seems and I'll start big picture and then we'll whittle down. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.120 But it seems to me, at least from what I 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.320 heard from conversations that have had that have happened where 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.119 you had interviews and Stephen and Jerry talking to different 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.839 media members, it seems like the idea was a one 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.200 to keep continuity. That was the reason why they wanted 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.640 to stick with their head coach. They want to stick 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.960 with the coordinators. But when you start looking at all 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.360 the position coaches that are presumed to be leaving, like 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.160 right now, there's a lot that hasn't been determined. There 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.160 hasn't been an official word on a lot of these guys, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.520 although we've heard reports that a lot of them are leaving. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.640 Based on the reports we've heard, here are the guys 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:27.120 you're going to possibly lose offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, quarterback, linebacker, secondary, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.760 special teams. That's pretty much most of your position coaches 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.120 that would presumably be gone, which to me doesn't necessarily 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.000 equate to keeping stability. Even if you keep the head coaching, 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.880 the coordinators, the guys that are in direct contact with 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.600 the players every single day, coaching them on every single 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.800 nuance of what they're doing, all those guys seem to 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.080 be leaving. Talk to me about the continuity. Is this 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.040 a situation where really cowboys weren't in control. These guys 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.880 have expiring contacts and go wherever they want to go, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.120 Or do you think there's a situation where cowboys just 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.760 kind of miscalculated a little bit on how what they 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.440 need to do to keep these well I disagree with 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.600 you a little bit there. I think that there they 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.760 are having continuity with their head coach and the coordinators, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.040 but it's a nine to seven team that missed the playoffs. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.520 You got to tweak some things. You're talking about positions 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.800 like offensive line. They haven't been as good in the 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.720 last couple of years as they were two or three 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.840 years ago. Same with receiver trending down, So change the 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.440 voice in the room a little bit without changing the 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.599 overall scope of things. I think it was a pretty 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.080 good idea. I don't think receivers were getting better at all. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.120 I think they're getting worse. I don't know if it's 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.680 all on Duly, but maybe they just need a different voice. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.040 So same with Pollocksacia. I think that was just he 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.240 just wanted to go to the Raiders and maybe with 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.000 more stability and a coach that he's been with. So 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.280 different reasons there. But I still I don't think that 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.000 they're changing. I still think they have continuity, but I 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:53.520 also think that they're they're changing some of the voices. Yeah, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.520 you guys just I don't know. Y'all just looked at 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.359 me at the same time. I know it was my turn. Sorry, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:12.120 she's not. No. I was actually thinking because one of 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.000 the things I always think about when it comes to 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.800 a boss, which I see, you know, Jason Garrett and 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.480 the coordinators as everybody else's boss. So one of the 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.960 things that I was thinking is, you know, usually if 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.880 an employer an employee is doing bad, it could be 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.880 the employee or maybe you just haven't made the right 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.240 changes or done the right thing to help your employee 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.000 out to be successful. So while Nick was talking about that, 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.880 you know, I've always thought, well, it just we need 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.040 changes from above, like higher than those kinds of courting, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.320 um that those kinds of coaches. But at the same time, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.560 it's like, Okay, now I'm trying to think of it 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.000 another way. Could it be that Okay, maybe it was 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.200 just not the right coaches, But then you look at 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.080 every position and it's like, okay, they have been successful 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:11.440 aside from the wide receivers that you know, duly, but 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.400 other than that, I mean, you talk about the old line, Yeah, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.680 they've done pretty well. Bisaca done a good job. So 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.720 are those really the kinds of changes that we should 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.400 be seeing or wanting to see? You know, I know 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.200 you have a different opinion. Brian on this whole thing. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.640 But I just, you know, I just keep thinking, and 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.200 I wrote this whole column really long. I got very 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.800 passionate yesterday. But it's all in Spanish, no, but it 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.480 was it was basically saying, you know, it doesn't matter, honestly, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.640 these kinds of changes to me, it doesn't It doesn't 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.360 matter what happens in free agency because they don't do much. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.880 So it's all gonna come down to the draft. Those 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.920 that's my only hope, the new players that they bring in, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.559 Because as long as the coaches don't change their mentality 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.240 of things and stop doing the same thing and kind 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.760 of you know, keep progressing with the rest of the 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.880 other teams, you know, being able to accept changes and 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.200 being able to have a open mentality and not stinking 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.880 to what there used to do year after year. I 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.600 don't think we're going to see much different here. That's 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.520 all said, you know. I you know, I think the 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.160 thing that you you look at with this staff and 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.439 they did they kept the continuity with the coach. I 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.520 think that's important to Jerry Jones. I don't think he 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.760 wanted there was a time there, even when I was here, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.599 that we were changing coaches. You know we were it 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.280 was it was the Chan Gailey I came in and 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.599 then oh, Chan Gailey goes back to back playoffs and 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.839 it's so Dave Campo and then we failed with the 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.840 Campo administration and then you bring in you know, Bill Parcels, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 and Parcels is wanting to you know, I don't want 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.880 to coach. I want to coach, and Jerry got tired 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.160 of that, got rid of him. I think that you 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.319 look at this team, and you're absolutely right. You look 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:59.839 at the draft and the way things are. I think 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.880 that the roster is a better roster because of the continuity, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.800 you know, and but I think there's some things that, yeah, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.360 you absolutely need some change. You're going to get some 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.839 change with Lenahan and and you know, if Marinelli as 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.480 being that, you know, the guys that the offensive defensive 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.040 coordinate probably not there. But what you've got to hope 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.719 for then is the outside. When we get to the 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.439 Senior Bowl. Hopefully they do interview guys. Paul Alexander is 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.199 a guy they've talked about as a possible offensive line coach. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.360 You know, when we haven't heard anything officially, but maybe 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.199 it's a different idea. Maybe it's a different philosophy. Whoever 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.040 they bring in receivers. Coach Nick's right, Maybe that guy 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.839 in the room, you know, gets to dez Bran or 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.960 gets to Terrence Williams, or gets to Cole Beasley and says, listen, guys, 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.520 when we were at wherever we were, this is the 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.319 way we used to escape our routes. This is the 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.079 way we used to do things. This is the way. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.760 I think that that is what your hope is right there. Yeah, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.600 draft some more players, more talent, more blood. Totally agree there, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.280 But I hope that they do continue to try and 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.320 bring in guys, even if veteran guys. I didn't want 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.040 them just to keep promoting guys within. I didn't want 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.160 Kyle Valeria and nothing against Kyle Valero or nothing against 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.240 Mark Colombo or nothing against Miles Austin. But I think 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.079 there's a time and place for one or two of 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.559 those guys. I don't think the whole staff needs to 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.040 be that way, because then, to me, that doesn't signify change. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.760 That signifies I'm gonna run this room, and I'm gonna 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.160 run it the way I want, and nobody's gonna question me. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.360 I want somebody to come in and question Rod Marinelli. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.600 I want somebody to come in and question Scott Linahan 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.800 because let's be honest, you know, and I made a 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.840 little bit of joke about this. You know, the yeties 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.120 and the hoodies and all that will say last chance. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.360 It's not going to say recommit or fight or win 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:50.160 or seventeen inches. It's gonna say last chance because if 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:55.000 they don't find ways to win, then the owner will 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.680 step in and say, Okay, I've I've been very patient 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.800 here this. Yeah, I've been very and you know fan 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.520 she used to be very critical. I'm sorry I'm going 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.440 on this rand here, but this, but the fans used 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.440 to be very critical of Jerry Jones not being very patient, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.360 you know, of not being you know, you know, why 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.040 are you jumping around? Why are you making all these 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.120 And now all of a sudden he is, and now 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.960 they're tired of him being patient. You know. But guess 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.160 because a lot of you see what's going on in Philadelphia, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.560 seventy nine team turns it around there and then NFC 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.880 Championship game that gets everybody's attention. You see what's going 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.400 on in Jacksonville right now, you know, bad team all 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.480 of a sudden flips it around. Why you know, why 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.080 are we not? I mean, we've had some good years, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.079 but why are we not in this? I think that 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.719 she's I think she's onto something though, I really really do. Well, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.000 you've seen changes in the players in that I mean 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.080 your change of quarterback, running back. You've seen changes there. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.439 Now what are the other changes that need to happen 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.959 in order to do that? Because you've seen Dez be successful, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.640 You've seen Cole Beasley, You've seen why these wide receivers 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.920 be successful. So you're hammering that wide receiver point. I'm 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.480 just saying, like we've seen them have success. Now how 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.400 much does the their coach has to do with it 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.400 versus the actual coordinator. That's where it comes down to. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.040 But you know the other part to that, and it 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.080 kind of rides along with that. But at a little 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.679 different point that you know, I think this year you 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.679 probably you can look at a lot of the secondary 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.440 is a good example, in my opinion. You look at 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.520 guys like car and Church and Clayborne, who I think 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.959 and I didn't watch all their games, but just looking 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.360 at the highlights and seeing some of the numbers, it 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.319 seems as though each of those guys was better this 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.880 year than they were with the Cowboys. And that's the 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.360 kind of thing that makes me start to wonder, is 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.880 it what they're being asked to do here that makes 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.800 us think they're not great players and we're not really 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.240 taking advantage of their talent in the way that maybe 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.280 they go somewhere else. And it makes me wonder. With 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.800 these receivers that we talk so much about and we 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.920 say they're not doing the right things, I wonder if 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.760 you put them in another scheme where And you do 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.959 have to kind of put a filter on it when 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:51.920 a player that's no longer going to be on the 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.120 team starts talking. But when Bryce Butler was talking about 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.600 kind of some of those things he was talking about 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.840 with the receivers and saying, hey, they kind of pigeonhole 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.800 you and put you into this is what you do, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.920 then it does make it harder when a defensive back 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.920 knows you're gonna run two or three routes versus the 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.200 whole route tree. That kind of change is how they 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.880 defend you. And I wonder, I wonder if to some 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.280 degree coaching is hampering some of the players well being 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.560 their best. If you take the flip side of that, though, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.760 what do we all think about? I know, on our 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.960 shows and on some of the periscope stuff that you 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.320 and I were doing, we always talked about how positive 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.960 we were about the young defensive backs. Well, what happened 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.160 to Joe Baker. Joe Baker's contract wasn't renewed, right, So 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.120 everything that we thought about, WHOA these young defensive backs. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.800 I'm sure that was a shock to Joe Baker because 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.840 all of a sudden, the decision is make. I'm getting 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.080 rid of Car, I'm getting rid of Buried Church. I'm 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.320 sure there were some guys when when Joe Baker filed 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.280 this into the season scouting reports after thirteen and three 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.920 that he was like, gotta have Church, Gotta have Car. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.400 Gotta no, Joe, we're not going to do that. We're 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.440 gonna give you. We're gonna give you some rookies and 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.400 you coach them up, and if you don't coach him 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.040 up well enough, we'll get rid of you. WHOA Joe Baker? 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.800 You coach him up well enough? Awesome progress. Maybe the 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.280 fact that the rookies didn't play the whole season the 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.720 injury might have cost Joe Baker's job because obviously they're 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.200 they're looking at his spot right now and saying, Okay, 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.000 who's the guy who's going to coach these young guys. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.200 And that's uh, that's something that's very very difficult because 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.000 all of a sudden you're asked to make changes. The 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:25.360 changes look positive, but then you lose your job. You know. Also, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.120 you're watching, like, are we Sarah, Barry Arrets had a 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.040 better year than than he did? No, No, and and 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.240 I think we just watched the games and we're like, oh, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.040 well they're still playing, so maybe, you know, I don't know, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.720 I don't know if Barry he probably had a better 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.960 He probably had a better season because of who he 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.000 was playing with. Two. Yeah, when you're playing with a 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.760 talent around there, you make one or two plays a game, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.640 you're doing great. The discussion we had one time was 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.480 about was was Barry Church? If you could have one 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.760 guy back, Barry Church would have been my guy because 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.080 when all that was happening with with Lee was out 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.680 of the lineup, hitcheons. Without the lineup, they're struggling with 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.720 playing the mic backer. Who was the one guy that 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.400 could have been the glue to hold everything together? Who 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.080 would have been the accountability guy you know that would 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.200 have been the guy. Barry Church was a guy that 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.160 would have likely stepped in there and said, hey, listen, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.160 let's get our heads out of our butts and start 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.960 playing some defense here and tactically a much more sure 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.440 a tackler than anybody else they got left. Absolutely, he 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.160 could have made up, I believe, for some of the 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.080 problems that you had in those three games when things 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.960 weren't as good as they were defensively. Do you think 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.840 that there's some challenges now that the Cowboys could have 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.080 in trying to replace a lot of these position coaches 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:38.440 because you mentioned that Brian with the Last Chance. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.800 I mean last year. If there is an understanding or 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.840 if there's a perception out there around the coaching fraternity, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.960 yeah that Hey, Garrett's in a situation where if they 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.440 don't if they don't play well this year, maybe he's out. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.400 Then Maybe some of your good coaches like I don't 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.680 know if I necessarily want to go to Dallas, because yeah, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.880 I could be right back into looking for a new 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.840 job next year if things don't go the way that 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.160 we want him to go. Right. He's talking to coaches 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.119 that obviously are out of jobs. They that's got to 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.440 work no matter the whole idea in the NFL to survive. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.800 And it's just on the scouting side too. Stay in 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.080 the show. Make sure you're in the show, because the 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.640 minute you're not, you're watching the show from the audience. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.040 They forget that you're part of the show. So coaches 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.960 will do anything, especially ones that are out of gigs. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:24.960 They will say, hey, if it even if it's for 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.000 one year. This is basically like a big game of 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.800 musical chicks. It is. You don't try to be the 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.720 guy standing up when the music start. You're trying to 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.359 get your lake house paid for it, Lake Travis, you know, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:34.840 it's what you're trying to do in Austin for you 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.840 guys exactly in Austin. Yeah, you're trying to get the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.680 lake house down to Horseshoe Bay, another Austin place. You're 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.119 trying to get your lakehouse paid for. Rich Besacci did that. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.280 Rich Besacci figured out, you know what he goes. You know, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.640 I've kind of kind of see where this thing's going 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.000 a little bit. Oh, last Chance Hoodie's not you know, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.960 I don't like that hoodie, you know, and so last 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.080 Chance Hoodie he doesn't want to wear last Chance hoodie. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.440 He could go somewhere where he gets two years in 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.800 California with a guy who knows him and his guy. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.400 It's a ten year conscient exactly as long as John 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.959 who get two years, and who'll get two years in Oakland, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.000 and who'll get two years in Vegas And then by 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.520 that time Rich Bassachia can go back down with Monti 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.920 Kiffin and all those guys pay and be a part 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.480 of the Florida community. Yeah. You know, that's the only 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.359 what coaches are trying to do. They're trying to get 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.800 their lakehouse paid for, you know, and then they get 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.240 to a point in time and they're like, Okay, got 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.640 the lake house paid for it, and hey, I'm gonna 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.960 do a little TV. You know. You're always trying to 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.719 stay ahead of getting fired. Yeah, and that's the thing, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.880 like you just can't be no one standing when the music, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.399 so you can't. You can't. And again, great example is 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.480 Joe Baker. Joe Baker, really he was the guy that 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.320 had they said, Joe, we're gonna give you a bunch 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.200 of young guys, go coach them, and they determined that, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.280 you know, hey, we'll move on from there. All right, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.200 let's let's take our first break. When we come back, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:44.800 I do want to talk a little bit more about 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.159 these coaches, particularly the linebacker coach, Matt Eberflus, and the 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.560 reports that we're hearing that he should he would be leaving. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.000 And I want to talk about it from the standpoint 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.240 of keeping Marinelli, because Eberflus is a guy that for 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.200 years has been rumored as a DC type coach, guy 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.600 that should get that opportunity, and the Cowboys making a 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.399 decision stick with their guy and Marinelli ultimately not creating 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.359 an opportunity for Ebraflus, and then he has to go 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.320 somewhere else for that opportunity. I want to talk about 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:13.920