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Speaker 1: wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Winsday, January seventeenth to twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Season thirteen, Episode one hundred. Welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. I'm very happy to have a larger version
Speaker 1: of David Hellman in studio with us. Thank you. Back
Speaker 1: to the old days. We got Brian back with us today.
Speaker 1: Is it really the hundredth episode? It is our hundred
Speaker 1: of this season, the season of the season. I just
Speaker 1: watched my hundredth player already of the college just today,
Speaker 1: thrown't you? I'm trying? Is that faster than normal? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you get bounced from the playoffs earlier, I can
Speaker 1: start a little earlier. Yeah, when'd you start? Like December
Speaker 1: December fifth? December fifth, and then once you know, we
Speaker 1: started doing stuff at night and then and then We've
Speaker 1: had two of the draft shows on. Thank you for
Speaker 1: doing that, by the way, and Brugler and I sit
Speaker 1: there and blow through some guys too. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: down to guys now. I'm thinking like third fourth round guys.
Speaker 1: So this Delta State or somebody the other day there,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a Delta state. Yeah, watch the little
Speaker 1: Delta State. It's a Mississippi. It makes sense, Delta yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Delta makes sense. Yeah. So you're doing on average,
Speaker 1: you do what two and a half players a day?
Speaker 1: No more than that. I mean I could with the
Speaker 1: way the Cowboys have it set up with their skyting department,
Speaker 1: which is one of the great things, and thank you
Speaker 1: Jones family for allowing me to do this. But the
Speaker 1: the they have a player's cut up, so like they
Speaker 1: all have twelve games. Like I'll watch a receiver and
Speaker 1: they'll have the all twelve games, all the balls thrown
Speaker 1: to a guy. So you just go bang bang bang
Speaker 1: on this player. Yeah, you can watch twelve You can
Speaker 1: watch a guy get a hundred balls thrown to him
Speaker 1: and then write a scouting report on that. That's different
Speaker 1: than it used to be back in the day. I'm
Speaker 1: sure when you have to watch a full game just
Speaker 1: to get But you know, when we're back in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: we we did that, I mean back in the day guy.
Speaker 1: But we used to Ron Wolfe, who's a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame journal manager. He would he would have us cut
Speaker 1: up the tape. He was not going to sit there
Speaker 1: and watch like a whole you know, he was. Everything
Speaker 1: was cut up. So that's we used to it back
Speaker 1: in the early nineties. That's what we used to about Rome.
Speaker 1: When I was born, Yeah, my wallet did. Okay, when
Speaker 1: was everybody born? Nick? I know you're an old six Okay,
Speaker 1: you're old seventy two, seventy two, and you're okay, my
Speaker 1: wallet is older than you, my wallet pocket, and I'll
Speaker 1: do this for everybody's now here's a better game, all
Speaker 1: right here? Nineteen eighty six. I've had this wallet nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six. Wow, I know it was when I was
Speaker 1: at LSU. So, yeah, my wallet is older than you.
Speaker 1: So questions like this is a better deal, Nick, What
Speaker 1: were you doing in nineteen ninety two? Uh, ninety two,
Speaker 1: I was a junior in high school watching the Cowboys? Brian,
Speaker 1: what were you doing in nine to my twenty seventh birthday?
Speaker 1: I started with the Packers December twelfth, nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: So I was working with the Green Bay Packers at
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. Nice, you're being born, Yeah, you're being
Speaker 1: born the end of night. Yeah around. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: one of the things about working at this place. You
Speaker 1: get the great disparity of ages. So didn't that the
Speaker 1: fun part that it is the fun part, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of different things that I would
Speaker 1: never know speaking on Snapchat, right, I don't need to
Speaker 1: be on Snapchat. No Snapchat. Dave's out today, Dave's got
Speaker 1: some he's having some personal time and getting to commune
Speaker 1: with himself and learn more about himself with the Wolves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll have some stories for us by the time he's
Speaker 1: setting of the camp fire by himself, right. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: so he will not be joining us today. And actually
Speaker 1: next week you guys will all be I know, for Brian, Nick, Dave,
Speaker 1: you guys will all be in um at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl Alabama and uh and so we'll have three shows
Speaker 1: from there next week from the Draft show. We won't
Speaker 1: have a Cowboys break, but we'll have the Draft show
Speaker 1: there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Correct, Yeah, absolutely, and the rosters.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl come out tomorrow, so you've got Houston
Speaker 1: and the Denver Broncos or coaching them up, and yeah,
Speaker 1: full coverage a lot of you know, Nick and Dave
Speaker 1: will be hovering around the Jones clan and I will
Speaker 1: be watching some players, and I'm sure there'll be a
Speaker 1: lot of great content reports from practice every day on
Speaker 1: their end of it, and then I'll be writing scouting
Speaker 1: reports about players that played well kind of at twelve points, hey,
Speaker 1: North practice, South practice, who look good and kind of
Speaker 1: get everybody ready for that awesome, So you gotta stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. There'll be a lot of really great
Speaker 1: coverage next week from Senior Bowl, as we do every year.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about some of these
Speaker 1: coaching changes that are going on with the Cowboys. It
Speaker 1: seems and I'll start big picture and then we'll whittle down.
Speaker 1: But it seems to me, at least from what I
Speaker 1: heard from conversations that have had that have happened where
Speaker 1: you had interviews and Stephen and Jerry talking to different
Speaker 1: media members, it seems like the idea was a one
Speaker 1: to keep continuity. That was the reason why they wanted
Speaker 1: to stick with their head coach. They want to stick
Speaker 1: with the coordinators. But when you start looking at all
Speaker 1: the position coaches that are presumed to be leaving, like
Speaker 1: right now, there's a lot that hasn't been determined. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been an official word on a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: although we've heard reports that a lot of them are leaving.
Speaker 1: Based on the reports we've heard, here are the guys
Speaker 1: you're going to possibly lose offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, quarterback, linebacker, secondary,
Speaker 1: special teams. That's pretty much most of your position coaches
Speaker 1: that would presumably be gone, which to me doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: equate to keeping stability. Even if you keep the head coaching,
Speaker 1: the coordinators, the guys that are in direct contact with
Speaker 1: the players every single day, coaching them on every single
Speaker 1: nuance of what they're doing, all those guys seem to
Speaker 1: be leaving. Talk to me about the continuity. Is this
Speaker 1: a situation where really cowboys weren't in control. These guys
Speaker 1: have expiring contacts and go wherever they want to go,
Speaker 1: Or do you think there's a situation where cowboys just
Speaker 1: kind of miscalculated a little bit on how what they
Speaker 1: need to do to keep these well I disagree with
Speaker 1: you a little bit there. I think that there they
Speaker 1: are having continuity with their head coach and the coordinators,
Speaker 1: but it's a nine to seven team that missed the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You got to tweak some things. You're talking about positions
Speaker 1: like offensive line. They haven't been as good in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years as they were two or three
Speaker 1: years ago. Same with receiver trending down, So change the
Speaker 1: voice in the room a little bit without changing the
Speaker 1: overall scope of things. I think it was a pretty
Speaker 1: good idea. I don't think receivers were getting better at all.
Speaker 1: I think they're getting worse. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: all on Duly, but maybe they just need a different voice.
Speaker 1: So same with Pollocksacia. I think that was just he
Speaker 1: just wanted to go to the Raiders and maybe with
Speaker 1: more stability and a coach that he's been with. So
Speaker 1: different reasons there. But I still I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're changing. I still think they have continuity, but I
Speaker 1: also think that they're they're changing some of the voices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys just I don't know. Y'all just looked at
Speaker 1: me at the same time. I know it was my turn. Sorry,
Speaker 1: she's not. No. I was actually thinking because one of
Speaker 1: the things I always think about when it comes to
Speaker 1: a boss, which I see, you know, Jason Garrett and
Speaker 1: the coordinators as everybody else's boss. So one of the
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking is, you know, usually if
Speaker 1: an employer an employee is doing bad, it could be
Speaker 1: the employee or maybe you just haven't made the right
Speaker 1: changes or done the right thing to help your employee
Speaker 1: out to be successful. So while Nick was talking about that,
Speaker 1: you know, I've always thought, well, it just we need
Speaker 1: changes from above, like higher than those kinds of courting,
Speaker 1: um that those kinds of coaches. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, now I'm trying to think of it
Speaker 1: another way. Could it be that Okay, maybe it was
Speaker 1: just not the right coaches, But then you look at
Speaker 1: every position and it's like, okay, they have been successful
Speaker 1: aside from the wide receivers that you know, duly, but
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, you talk about the old line, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've done pretty well. Bisaca done a good job. So
Speaker 1: are those really the kinds of changes that we should
Speaker 1: be seeing or wanting to see? You know, I know
Speaker 1: you have a different opinion. Brian on this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I just, you know, I just keep thinking, and
Speaker 1: I wrote this whole column really long. I got very
Speaker 1: passionate yesterday. But it's all in Spanish, no, but it
Speaker 1: was it was basically saying, you know, it doesn't matter, honestly,
Speaker 1: these kinds of changes to me, it doesn't It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what happens in free agency because they don't do much.
Speaker 1: So it's all gonna come down to the draft. Those
Speaker 1: that's my only hope, the new players that they bring in,
Speaker 1: Because as long as the coaches don't change their mentality
Speaker 1: of things and stop doing the same thing and kind
Speaker 1: of you know, keep progressing with the rest of the
Speaker 1: other teams, you know, being able to accept changes and
Speaker 1: being able to have a open mentality and not stinking
Speaker 1: to what there used to do year after year. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see much different here. That's
Speaker 1: all said, you know. I you know, I think the
Speaker 1: thing that you you look at with this staff and
Speaker 1: they did they kept the continuity with the coach. I
Speaker 1: think that's important to Jerry Jones. I don't think he
Speaker 1: wanted there was a time there, even when I was here,
Speaker 1: that we were changing coaches. You know we were it
Speaker 1: was it was the Chan Gailey I came in and
Speaker 1: then oh, Chan Gailey goes back to back playoffs and
Speaker 1: it's so Dave Campo and then we failed with the
Speaker 1: Campo administration and then you bring in you know, Bill Parcels,
Speaker 1: and Parcels is wanting to you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to coach. I want to coach, and Jerry got tired
Speaker 1: of that, got rid of him. I think that you
Speaker 1: look at this team, and you're absolutely right. You look
Speaker 1: at the draft and the way things are. I think
Speaker 1: that the roster is a better roster because of the continuity,
Speaker 1: you know, and but I think there's some things that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you absolutely need some change. You're going to get some
Speaker 1: change with Lenahan and and you know, if Marinelli as
Speaker 1: being that, you know, the guys that the offensive defensive
Speaker 1: coordinate probably not there. But what you've got to hope
Speaker 1: for then is the outside. When we get to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Hopefully they do interview guys. Paul Alexander is
Speaker 1: a guy they've talked about as a possible offensive line coach.
Speaker 1: You know, when we haven't heard anything officially, but maybe
Speaker 1: it's a different idea. Maybe it's a different philosophy. Whoever
Speaker 1: they bring in receivers. Coach Nick's right, Maybe that guy
Speaker 1: in the room, you know, gets to dez Bran or
Speaker 1: gets to Terrence Williams, or gets to Cole Beasley and says, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: when we were at wherever we were, this is the
Speaker 1: way we used to escape our routes. This is the
Speaker 1: way we used to do things. This is the way.
Speaker 1: I think that that is what your hope is right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: draft some more players, more talent, more blood. Totally agree there,
Speaker 1: But I hope that they do continue to try and
Speaker 1: bring in guys, even if veteran guys. I didn't want
Speaker 1: them just to keep promoting guys within. I didn't want
Speaker 1: Kyle Valeria and nothing against Kyle Valero or nothing against
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo or nothing against Miles Austin. But I think
Speaker 1: there's a time and place for one or two of
Speaker 1: those guys. I don't think the whole staff needs to
Speaker 1: be that way, because then, to me, that doesn't signify change.
Speaker 1: That signifies I'm gonna run this room, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: run it the way I want, and nobody's gonna question me.
Speaker 1: I want somebody to come in and question Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 1: I want somebody to come in and question Scott Linahan
Speaker 1: because let's be honest, you know, and I made a
Speaker 1: little bit of joke about this. You know, the yeties
Speaker 1: and the hoodies and all that will say last chance.
Speaker 1: It's not going to say recommit or fight or win
Speaker 1: or seventeen inches. It's gonna say last chance because if
Speaker 1: they don't find ways to win, then the owner will
Speaker 1: step in and say, Okay, I've I've been very patient
Speaker 1: here this. Yeah, I've been very and you know fan
Speaker 1: she used to be very critical. I'm sorry I'm going
Speaker 1: on this rand here, but this, but the fans used
Speaker 1: to be very critical of Jerry Jones not being very patient,
Speaker 1: you know, of not being you know, you know, why
Speaker 1: are you jumping around? Why are you making all these
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden he is, and now
Speaker 1: they're tired of him being patient. You know. But guess
Speaker 1: because a lot of you see what's going on in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: seventy nine team turns it around there and then NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game that gets everybody's attention. You see what's going
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville right now, you know, bad team all
Speaker 1: of a sudden flips it around. Why you know, why
Speaker 1: are we not? I mean, we've had some good years,
Speaker 1: but why are we not in this? I think that
Speaker 1: she's I think she's onto something though, I really really do. Well,
Speaker 1: you've seen changes in the players in that I mean
Speaker 1: your change of quarterback, running back. You've seen changes there.
Speaker 1: Now what are the other changes that need to happen
Speaker 1: in order to do that? Because you've seen Dez be successful,
Speaker 1: You've seen Cole Beasley, You've seen why these wide receivers
Speaker 1: be successful. So you're hammering that wide receiver point. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like we've seen them have success. Now how
Speaker 1: much does the their coach has to do with it
Speaker 1: versus the actual coordinator. That's where it comes down to.
Speaker 1: But you know the other part to that, and it
Speaker 1: kind of rides along with that. But at a little
Speaker 1: different point that you know, I think this year you
Speaker 1: probably you can look at a lot of the secondary
Speaker 1: is a good example, in my opinion. You look at
Speaker 1: guys like car and Church and Clayborne, who I think
Speaker 1: and I didn't watch all their games, but just looking
Speaker 1: at the highlights and seeing some of the numbers, it
Speaker 1: seems as though each of those guys was better this
Speaker 1: year than they were with the Cowboys. And that's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that makes me start to wonder, is
Speaker 1: it what they're being asked to do here that makes
Speaker 1: us think they're not great players and we're not really
Speaker 1: taking advantage of their talent in the way that maybe
Speaker 1: they go somewhere else. And it makes me wonder. With
Speaker 1: these receivers that we talk so much about and we
Speaker 1: say they're not doing the right things, I wonder if
Speaker 1: you put them in another scheme where And you do
Speaker 1: have to kind of put a filter on it when
Speaker 1: a player that's no longer going to be on the
Speaker 1: team starts talking. But when Bryce Butler was talking about
Speaker 1: kind of some of those things he was talking about
Speaker 1: with the receivers and saying, hey, they kind of pigeonhole
Speaker 1: you and put you into this is what you do,
Speaker 1: then it does make it harder when a defensive back
Speaker 1: knows you're gonna run two or three routes versus the
Speaker 1: whole route tree. That kind of change is how they
Speaker 1: defend you. And I wonder, I wonder if to some
Speaker 1: degree coaching is hampering some of the players well being
Speaker 1: their best. If you take the flip side of that, though,
Speaker 1: what do we all think about? I know, on our
Speaker 1: shows and on some of the periscope stuff that you
Speaker 1: and I were doing, we always talked about how positive
Speaker 1: we were about the young defensive backs. Well, what happened
Speaker 1: to Joe Baker. Joe Baker's contract wasn't renewed, right, So
Speaker 1: everything that we thought about, WHOA these young defensive backs.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was a shock to Joe Baker because
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the decision is make. I'm getting
Speaker 1: rid of Car, I'm getting rid of Buried Church. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there were some guys when when Joe Baker filed
Speaker 1: this into the season scouting reports after thirteen and three
Speaker 1: that he was like, gotta have Church, Gotta have Car.
Speaker 1: Gotta no, Joe, we're not going to do that. We're
Speaker 1: gonna give you. We're gonna give you some rookies and
Speaker 1: you coach them up, and if you don't coach him
Speaker 1: up well enough, we'll get rid of you. WHOA Joe Baker?
Speaker 1: You coach him up well enough? Awesome progress. Maybe the
Speaker 1: fact that the rookies didn't play the whole season the
Speaker 1: injury might have cost Joe Baker's job because obviously they're
Speaker 1: they're looking at his spot right now and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's the guy who's going to coach these young guys.
Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's something that's very very difficult because
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're asked to make changes. The
Speaker 1: changes look positive, but then you lose your job. You know. Also,
Speaker 1: you're watching, like, are we Sarah, Barry Arrets had a
Speaker 1: better year than than he did? No, No, and and
Speaker 1: I think we just watched the games and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well they're still playing, so maybe, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Barry he probably had a better
Speaker 1: He probably had a better season because of who he
Speaker 1: was playing with. Two. Yeah, when you're playing with a
Speaker 1: talent around there, you make one or two plays a game,
Speaker 1: you're doing great. The discussion we had one time was
Speaker 1: about was was Barry Church? If you could have one
Speaker 1: guy back, Barry Church would have been my guy because
Speaker 1: when all that was happening with with Lee was out
Speaker 1: of the lineup, hitcheons. Without the lineup, they're struggling with
Speaker 1: playing the mic backer. Who was the one guy that
Speaker 1: could have been the glue to hold everything together? Who
Speaker 1: would have been the accountability guy you know that would
Speaker 1: have been the guy. Barry Church was a guy that
Speaker 1: would have likely stepped in there and said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: let's get our heads out of our butts and start
Speaker 1: playing some defense here and tactically a much more sure
Speaker 1: a tackler than anybody else they got left. Absolutely, he
Speaker 1: could have made up, I believe, for some of the
Speaker 1: problems that you had in those three games when things
Speaker 1: weren't as good as they were defensively. Do you think
Speaker 1: that there's some challenges now that the Cowboys could have
Speaker 1: in trying to replace a lot of these position coaches
Speaker 1: because you mentioned that Brian with the Last Chance. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean last year. If there is an understanding or
Speaker 1: if there's a perception out there around the coaching fraternity,
Speaker 1: yeah that Hey, Garrett's in a situation where if they
Speaker 1: don't if they don't play well this year, maybe he's out.
Speaker 1: Then Maybe some of your good coaches like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I necessarily want to go to Dallas, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I could be right back into looking for a new
Speaker 1: job next year if things don't go the way that
Speaker 1: we want him to go. Right. He's talking to coaches
Speaker 1: that obviously are out of jobs. They that's got to
Speaker 1: work no matter the whole idea in the NFL to survive.
Speaker 1: And it's just on the scouting side too. Stay in
Speaker 1: the show. Make sure you're in the show, because the
Speaker 1: minute you're not, you're watching the show from the audience.
Speaker 1: They forget that you're part of the show. So coaches
Speaker 1: will do anything, especially ones that are out of gigs.
Speaker 1: They will say, hey, if it even if it's for
Speaker 1: one year. This is basically like a big game of
Speaker 1: musical chicks. It is. You don't try to be the
Speaker 1: guy standing up when the music start. You're trying to
Speaker 1: get your lake house paid for it, Lake Travis, you know,
Speaker 1: it's what you're trying to do in Austin for you
Speaker 1: guys exactly in Austin. Yeah, you're trying to get the
Speaker 1: lake house down to Horseshoe Bay, another Austin place. You're
Speaker 1: trying to get your lakehouse paid for. Rich Besacci did that.
Speaker 1: Rich Besacci figured out, you know what he goes. You know,
Speaker 1: I've kind of kind of see where this thing's going
Speaker 1: a little bit. Oh, last Chance Hoodie's not you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like that hoodie, you know, and so last
Speaker 1: Chance Hoodie he doesn't want to wear last Chance hoodie.
Speaker 1: He could go somewhere where he gets two years in
Speaker 1: California with a guy who knows him and his guy.
Speaker 1: It's a ten year conscient exactly as long as John
Speaker 1: who get two years, and who'll get two years in Oakland,
Speaker 1: and who'll get two years in Vegas And then by
Speaker 1: that time Rich Bassachia can go back down with Monti
Speaker 1: Kiffin and all those guys pay and be a part
Speaker 1: of the Florida community. Yeah. You know, that's the only
Speaker 1: what coaches are trying to do. They're trying to get
Speaker 1: their lakehouse paid for, you know, and then they get
Speaker 1: to a point in time and they're like, Okay, got
Speaker 1: the lake house paid for it, and hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a little TV. You know. You're always trying to
Speaker 1: stay ahead of getting fired. Yeah, and that's the thing,
Speaker 1: like you just can't be no one standing when the music,
Speaker 1: so you can't. You can't. And again, great example is
Speaker 1: Joe Baker. Joe Baker, really he was the guy that
Speaker 1: had they said, Joe, we're gonna give you a bunch
Speaker 1: of young guys, go coach them, and they determined that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we'll move on from there. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: these coaches, particularly the linebacker coach, Matt Eberflus, and the
Speaker 1: reports that we're hearing that he should he would be leaving.
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about it from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of keeping Marinelli, because Eberflus is a guy that for
Speaker 1: years has been rumored as a DC type coach, guy
Speaker 1: that should get that opportunity, and the Cowboys making a
Speaker 1: decision stick with their guy and Marinelli ultimately not creating
Speaker 1: an opportunity for Ebraflus, and then he has to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else for that opportunity. I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: studios at the Star, got Nick, even Amber Garcia. Of course,
Speaker 1: Brian's joining us today. Brian brought us is in for
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, who's out vacationing. I hope you're safe and well. Dave.
Speaker 1: We'll see if you're listening. He's not listening, but he
Speaker 1: may listen later sometime. Jim. Yeah, I hope he has
Speaker 1: his phone on to find him. Yeah, so we can
Speaker 1: so we can find him. Yeah, he's wandering around in
Speaker 1: the desert somewhere. I hope he's got water. I told him,
Speaker 1: I say, that's a bad idea, man, No, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a great idea. Just city kid, he's a
Speaker 1: great idea. Can get away from everything and just kind
Speaker 1: of have right go to a spa to listen to
Speaker 1: your own thoughts for a second and just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, get away from everything. So he talks to
Speaker 1: himself a lot. Anyway, he does so he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to go across the Probably probably a good thing, all right.
Speaker 1: So let's let's talk a little bit more about these
Speaker 1: position coaches. I particularly wanted to talk about the linebacker coach,
Speaker 1: Matt Ebraflus. There are reports that began with a post
Speaker 1: by his wife on I guess Facebook that essentially kind
Speaker 1: of made it clear that that the Colts were where
Speaker 1: they were going. Yeah, that's been since taken down from
Speaker 1: earlier this morning. I'm sure husband probably is like, man,
Speaker 1: let's let's not do honey. That's not officially yet, let's
Speaker 1: not But anyway, it's been taken down. But but that's
Speaker 1: what kind of alerted everybody to the possibility that he'd
Speaker 1: be going with Josh McDaniels. Josh mcgaiels hasn't even been
Speaker 1: named the head coach, but there is the suspicion that
Speaker 1: he's going to be named the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, and that Ebraflus will then move with him
Speaker 1: right and become the defensive coordinator. Here's my issue with that.
Speaker 1: Everything I've heard, and again it's hard to say with
Speaker 1: coaches because it's not like players where you actually watch
Speaker 1: them play every Sunday. But from everything I've heard of
Speaker 1: people who know coaches and know what coaches do, I've
Speaker 1: heard the narrative of that Eberflus is a really great
Speaker 1: coach and as a young, good defensive mind that will
Speaker 1: be a really good defensive coordinator at some point. I wonder,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that this will be fact or not,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if this is a situation that will
Speaker 1: at some point be similar to a Sean Payton where
Speaker 1: you have a young coach that you think might be
Speaker 1: really good at the next level of coaching, whether that's
Speaker 1: as a coordinator, as a head coach, you don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity for them at the moment, or you're not
Speaker 1: willing to make an opportunity for them by getting rid
Speaker 1: of someone, and as a result, they end up going
Speaker 1: somewhere else and someone else gets the benefit of their brilliance.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if in keeping Marinelli, are you somehow
Speaker 1: maybe short changing yourself on being able to realize defensive
Speaker 1: brilliance in Matt Eberflus as your defensive coordinator. What do
Speaker 1: you guys think? Well, just like all these coaches, time
Speaker 1: will tell on that, you know. I mean I remember
Speaker 1: looking at the two thousand and five staff that had
Speaker 1: eight potential future head coaches that were on that staff
Speaker 1: that went nine and seven. Um, some of them, Oh wow,
Speaker 1: how could you let those guys go? Others that you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that's fine. So the only time will tell. With with
Speaker 1: um ebra Flus, I do I know, I know your point.
Speaker 1: Your point is you've got an older older he's old,
Speaker 1: I mean Marinelli, and he's got the lake house already
Speaker 1: paid right, so do you he's working with Gray right now,
Speaker 1: he's just walking on the beach, he's playing the seventeenth hole.
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's more to it than
Speaker 1: than we know. I mean, there's gotta be there's got
Speaker 1: to maybe maybe this young great coach isn't viewed that
Speaker 1: way anymore apparently, I mean, because why why or there's
Speaker 1: just so much belief in Marinelli that you like, we
Speaker 1: just can't get rid of him because we believe in him.
Speaker 1: Like that could be a too Well, we talked about
Speaker 1: these other coaches, you know, the receivers, were they trending down? Oh? Line?
Speaker 1: What would you? What are the linebackers? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are the linebackers getting better? I think the issues with
Speaker 1: the line backers have nothing to do with play. I
Speaker 1: think it has to do with injury. And because of injury.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can throw out a guy like Damon Wilson.
Speaker 1: But but the fact of the matter is, sounds like
Speaker 1: Chas Greene got a guy fired. Yeah, so, and he
Speaker 1: did some good things. Third round pick didn't get developed?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know. But did Hitchens get developed?
Speaker 1: So he's a better player now than he was, right,
Speaker 1: I know, Aberflus was part of bringing Hitchens in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a guy that went to Iowa City and
Speaker 1: did the work out, and he's a better player. I
Speaker 1: think he's a better players. I mean I'm throwing out
Speaker 1: point no, yes, Hitchens is better Wilson hasn't really developed
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. That's not Ebrak Sacha left. I mean he
Speaker 1: was never He was a guy that was drafted, ends
Speaker 1: up at San Francisco and their practice squad, I mean,
Speaker 1: well on your practice squad and ends up somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Not really Aberflus's fault again, injuries that didn't get him
Speaker 1: on the field. Shaun Lee could be of four time,
Speaker 1: five time All Pro if he stayed healthy. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that's on him, And why should even say
Speaker 1: that on him? That's all, It's just his body happens.
Speaker 1: Things happen, right. How much real talk is there to
Speaker 1: the possibility of Marion Ellie being out. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's much. I think they believe in Marinelli personally. We
Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, are you talking about
Speaker 1: the some of the rumors that we are hearing that again,
Speaker 1: it's rumors that they offered Eberflus the opportunity to stay
Speaker 1: with Marinelli getting the assistant head coach title, so Eberflus
Speaker 1: would be the DC. See. Yeah, this is where this
Speaker 1: is where this is tricky, because maybe the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: do with their due diligence there and maybe Mattiberflus. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's let me tell you. This is common knowledge
Speaker 1: around the league that Mattieberfluss denied the opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to San Francisco forty nine ers. Mattieberflus probably coached this
Speaker 1: year thinking, you know what my contracts up. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: they gave him the title of passing game coordinator something
Speaker 1: like that to kind of make it look nice. It's
Speaker 1: kind of those titles make everything look good, and everybody's oh,
Speaker 1: but you know, really, what is it now? I know
Speaker 1: one thing you can watch. We've all watched practices, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's training it. Marinelli leaned on Ebraflus, the guy
Speaker 1: sending into defenses, the guy, you know, the guy during practice.
Speaker 1: He was the one guy that was constantly, you know, coaching, yelling.
Speaker 1: You can hear. I mean one into the field is
Speaker 1: Marinelli and leon Let going with the defense line. And
Speaker 1: here's you know, Joe Baker and those guys are kind
Speaker 1: of quiet in the middle, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you got Ebraflus is yelling at all these guys. So
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of got that appearance. But this
Speaker 1: might be a decision that was not in the Cowboys hands.
Speaker 1: This might be one of those that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm moving on, and you think maybe it was based
Speaker 1: upon the fact that he wasn't allowed to interview last
Speaker 1: year and so he basically if we're playing charade, I'm
Speaker 1: just in my nose right now. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1: I know this about Eberflus. He's got a great eye
Speaker 1: because he was the first guy down on the field
Speaker 1: in Oakland that said that ball was a touchback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you remember him running down that. He's got an eye
Speaker 1: for these for these linebackers, got an eye for things.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not going to be a really
Speaker 1: good coach, but maybe there is something. There's more two
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, oh it's definitely done. Yeah, as is
Speaker 1: I mean, we're dragging our feet for a reason here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this you know he should have you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like though that the Cowboys wanted to give him
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Now does he want to It's this is
Speaker 1: a two way street in coaching, right because he's you know,
Speaker 1: if David said, okay, you could be the DC, if
Speaker 1: he really wanted the DC job, he could have said
Speaker 1: I'm in let's go and then Marinelli to make the transition,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're still don't hear anything officially, but
Speaker 1: we see him in the lunch room and you know
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Does it ever work when
Speaker 1: you you kind of tell a coach that you're going
Speaker 1: to be the guy in waiting? You see it in
Speaker 1: college sometimes. I believe it happened with I believe it
Speaker 1: happened with with the Beisaccia. I guarantee you though he
Speaker 1: knew John Green was going to get that Oakland job, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knew. And then he's kind of thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 1: because again there's things that you hear, you know that
Speaker 1: we're going on behind the scenes, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like the front office just goes bye.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I'm thinking about going to Oakland. Bye.
Speaker 1: You know. So I think there's I think, thank you.
Speaker 1: I think it's a two way street here, I really
Speaker 1: really do. I think with Eberflus, you know, maybe at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, with Nick's list of guys
Speaker 1: that you know, the Sean Payton's of the world and
Speaker 1: guys like that, they're the coaches that you know, go on,
Speaker 1: maybe this wasn't the cowboys, you know, maybe they're gonna
Speaker 1: lose him that last year. Yeah, maybe they would a lot,
Speaker 1: and then it would have been one of those things
Speaker 1: where you could have said, boy, they lost a really
Speaker 1: good coach. I think they I think they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: a good coach. I really really do. But I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it your decision, you know, it's
Speaker 1: you do the best that you can and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, it doesn't work, and you move on. They
Speaker 1: give me some of those names you mentioned, some of
Speaker 1: those guys that that had moved on. Here's here. Let's
Speaker 1: just look at this list of guys that are officially
Speaker 1: moving on from the staff. Guidence coach Steve Loani's retiring,
Speaker 1: but Besatias and the Raiders. Frank Pollocks now with the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Derek Dooley's the offensive coordinator Missouri. Joe Baker's contract is
Speaker 1: expiring and he will not be retained. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: officially said that. Same with Wade Wilson. There's thoughts that
Speaker 1: he might be retiring, but he's been there for fourteen years.
Speaker 1: He's not coming back. Now. Up in the air, Greg Jackson,
Speaker 1: Gary Brown, and then of course Ebra flews up in
Speaker 1: the air. And then you've got guys like Kyle Valero,
Speaker 1: Colombo and O'Quinn Keith ol quinn, whose coach above them
Speaker 1: has left their assistant yea below the special team's wide
Speaker 1: receiver and old line. And so Paul Alexander has not
Speaker 1: been official. It sounds like he I mean, it looks
Speaker 1: like it sounds like, yeah, he's getting I was hearing
Speaker 1: some positive things about Gary Brown as well, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing with Gary. I want to
Speaker 1: keep the continuity running back. See that's the thing about
Speaker 1: it with Gary Brown. I like with Gary Brown, he
Speaker 1: seems like the one guy that's able to handle the runner,
Speaker 1: the runner kind of you know, he's the one guy
Speaker 1: not afraid to get in the runner's face. And I
Speaker 1: think the runner being Ezekiel. I'm sorry, I just use
Speaker 1: my terms. The runner. Yeah, the runner right here. I
Speaker 1: think that he has an idea, he has He's a
Speaker 1: good in the room. You talked about it earlier, Derek Position.
Speaker 1: Coaches tend to be the guy that they don't want
Speaker 1: to go talk to Scotland Ahan or Jason Garrett. They
Speaker 1: will walk into Gary Brown's office, close the door and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: what really? Yeah, this is dropping me crazy, and he's
Speaker 1: serious this this this oc here? Does he not know
Speaker 1: what the hell he's doing? I mean, I'm trying my
Speaker 1: best here, all right, several downs, cool brand, We'll get
Speaker 1: this right, trust me. You gotta help me here, you know,
Speaker 1: you work with me. Here will be That's where that's
Speaker 1: where the assistant coaches coming. The psychologists they are. They
Speaker 1: they're your dad, they're your mom. There, you're everything that
Speaker 1: you you know, every every little problem you have. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna go to Jason Garrett. Well, it's about the
Speaker 1: process and yes, and then yes you're having you know, No,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go to some guy that they can relate
Speaker 1: to that they can on a first name basis. Hey, Annambar,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm you know what this is.
Speaker 1: Scott's whatever he's doing is absolutely stupid. Can you watched
Speaker 1: some of these other games around the league? Yeah, can
Speaker 1: we not do any of this stuff? All right? And
Speaker 1: hey it's okay, I mean it's okay. And then they
Speaker 1: have to be the one that that has the ability
Speaker 1: to then go talk to that Oak or that dcor
Speaker 1: As should say here's what's going on. Here's some things
Speaker 1: we might need to con I've been in staff meetings
Speaker 1: before where the position coaches speak up with this position coaches, Gary,
Speaker 1: what about your guys? Let me tell you this bout
Speaker 1: to lose the running back here. We're about to lose
Speaker 1: the star running back because he's out of his mind
Speaker 1: right now. If I have to listen to him complain
Speaker 1: another day like I'm doctor Phil, I'm gonna lose my mind,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's where the message gets conveyed. You know,
Speaker 1: that's where all the things, the transitions and his scouts
Speaker 1: we used to sit there and evaluate. And I think
Speaker 1: that when you're talking about a guy like Gary Brown
Speaker 1: who's been in the room, who's been a player, and
Speaker 1: he can say, hey, I know what we're asking you
Speaker 1: to do because I did it like this. And that's
Speaker 1: not that you know to say some of these guys
Speaker 1: that didn't play or play at this level can can't coach.
Speaker 1: But I do think that guys like Todd Bowles and
Speaker 1: Jerome Henderson and Greg and back on the day that
Speaker 1: have done it and played and how's weight with I
Speaker 1: think it does because they think you understand, Yeah, they understand,
Speaker 1: they exactly. That's the whole thing, you know, you, you
Speaker 1: even you when you visit with people that have the experience,
Speaker 1: they understand the trials and tribulations and the you know,
Speaker 1: the you know your coach isn't always gonna like you.
Speaker 1: The OC is not always gonna like yet, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna play you. But you you go to the position
Speaker 1: because why am I here? Man? But I'm gonna play me?
Speaker 1: Why am I here? But I will say this, and
Speaker 1: there are exceptions to every rule. Probably not the best
Speaker 1: head coach and didn't have a great experience here, but
Speaker 1: Dave Campbell can coach defensive backs and I don't know
Speaker 1: he played in the NFL. I don't think he did,
Speaker 1: but I can tell you this, he can coach dbs
Speaker 1: and so you know, there are exceptions to it. And
Speaker 1: I know he got those guys to play for him,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to be that way. But I
Speaker 1: think it does help in such absolutely, and I think
Speaker 1: maybe at the running back position maybe even more. I
Speaker 1: don't know any statistics around that, but it just seems
Speaker 1: you seem to be a position where exactly where egos
Speaker 1: where you have egos with running backs, the reality for
Speaker 1: a running back, a former running back to be able
Speaker 1: to say yes, what I'm asking, if you may seem impossible,
Speaker 1: it was asked of me as well. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: what you do as a running back. This is where
Speaker 1: Nick is absolutely right about Jerome Henderson when he was
Speaker 1: here and you have Scandrick in the room and he's
Speaker 1: chirping with JJ Wilcox, and Wilcox is beating up on
Speaker 1: our Scandrick's beating up on Moe, and Moe's feeling sorry
Speaker 1: for himself, and Henderson saying, shut the hell up, Scandricks.
Speaker 1: Sit down, Hey, get your head out of your rear
Speaker 1: over there. You're okay, you know, it's all right, You'll
Speaker 1: be fine. See that's where you get. You get all
Speaker 1: these dynamics, the rooms, their ego rooms, defensive back room,
Speaker 1: the receiver room, huge egos, those rooms. Right, you have
Speaker 1: to all you have to be doctor Phil. You have
Speaker 1: to be able to deal with a lot of personality
Speaker 1: and its people and they get on each other, they
Speaker 1: and they and then no, that's that's you know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: like you say, you're like, I'm out of here, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do with a bunch of clowns. Hey,
Speaker 1: real quick, I did want and before we take our
Speaker 1: final break, I want to ask you guys about Frank Pollock.
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier they about the line and was trending down.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will challenge back on that. I
Speaker 1: want to get your opinions on this. You look at
Speaker 1: a guy like Klyale Collins who has move positions and
Speaker 1: by all accounts this year got better as a season
Speaker 1: went along. You look at a guy like, um, I'm
Speaker 1: drawn a blank on the guard Cooper, Yeah, who this
Speaker 1: season got him got better. They played that whole left
Speaker 1: guard spot right. If wrong to start with. If you
Speaker 1: want to go back to last year, Ron Larry, Ron
Speaker 1: Larry had a really great season there. So I think
Speaker 1: there are some things that that point too. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some things that point to the fact that even though
Speaker 1: the big elephant in the room is Chaz Green and
Speaker 1: the fact that he was not developed, there are those
Speaker 1: other instances where it seems like they have at some development.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. As a unit, I think that
Speaker 1: the unit this year as an offensive line was not
Speaker 1: as good as the unit last year. Maybe there are
Speaker 1: injuries involved there, maybe there were other things involved. They
Speaker 1: were not as good as they were last year, so
Speaker 1: maybe that factors into it. But what were your overall
Speaker 1: thoughts about the offensive line play this year versus last year,
Speaker 1: and really, look, yeah Paula's career here as offensive line coach. Well,
Speaker 1: let me just say this real quick about how an
Speaker 1: offensive line can look. We all remember not Amber, of course,
Speaker 1: but two thousand and six. We remember how bad that
Speaker 1: offensive line was for the first six games blocking for
Speaker 1: Bledsoe and Tony comes in and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the offensive lines great. Three guys go to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: Kind of weird how that happens, Maybe the court, maybe
Speaker 1: it all kind of plays in together a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you're right, you make good points. I mean, those
Speaker 1: two guys had their best year, and I think I
Speaker 1: don't think the other three Pro bowlers. They're all Pro
Speaker 1: bowlers too. Still, so you make good points. You know
Speaker 1: why it was the Titans coach out, you know why
Speaker 1: did it not not work? They made the playoffs. So
Speaker 1: there's got to be the stuff in the room that
Speaker 1: maybe that we don't know about, that you know, led
Speaker 1: to this. And also a mixture of you talking about
Speaker 1: Chas Green. Honestly, there are certain players that, yeah, you
Speaker 1: think they have a certain potential, but it gets to
Speaker 1: a point where you can't reach that potential and it
Speaker 1: just comes down to the player himself and you kind
Speaker 1: of have to move on. I mean, we've seen great
Speaker 1: things from the old line, but then we saw this
Speaker 1: year and you kind of wonder, what are those things
Speaker 1: that are really happening in the you know, on the
Speaker 1: other side of the door that we don't hear about.
Speaker 1: So who knows, I'll tell you what. And a good
Speaker 1: point again that two good points. The things that to
Speaker 1: me when a coach is under contract and gets released
Speaker 1: my experience, he had a problem with somebody else on
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, the offensive coordinator. Like we said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not seeing it with you right now. Again,
Speaker 1: if the guys that are contract and he gets released,
Speaker 1: there's usually something more behind the door. We really don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not always about just the coach. My experience, my experience.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I'm just telling you my experience.
Speaker 1: When an offensive coordinat or another higher up coach has
Speaker 1: a problem with a guy who's under contract and gets released, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder how much is him like how
Speaker 1: much was he being limited by the offensive coordinator? Like
Speaker 1: those are the things that you could be doing your job,
Speaker 1: but then you're putting some you're giving Let's say, Derek,
Speaker 1: you're giving me some limitations to things that I can do,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you make my heart and my job very hard,
Speaker 1: but sorry, so you're giving me some limitations. And I'm
Speaker 1: here trying my best and doing all the things possible.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, like, this is the changes we
Speaker 1: need to do this, like can we do it? And
Speaker 1: you're like, no, we're sticking with this. No, So then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here. No, I'm gonna tell you you
Speaker 1: know what, stick with your thing, and good luck. It's
Speaker 1: who's carrying the bigger stick. Yeah, and yeah, the bigger
Speaker 1: stick will always beat up the other person. And when
Speaker 1: you're talking about sounds terrible way to say it, but
Speaker 1: it's it's true. It's true. Whoever, whoever has the Lenahan
Speaker 1: has gone from a guy that needed to be fired
Speaker 1: to a guy that all of a sudden has this
Speaker 1: unique power or this this newfound power in that room.
Speaker 1: Now that now everybody's kind of saying, WHOA Scott, You're
Speaker 1: not going to have all your lieutenants come running in here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna interview some guys we're gonna interview
Speaker 1: some guys here, especially when you're talking about this being,
Speaker 1: you know, last Chance You again for for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I mean, get ready for the hoodie if he goes
Speaker 1: back as a laughing on the city. Yeah, last chance
Speaker 1: I told you you Eddy you ever set Last Chanced
Speaker 1: That on Netflix, that show Last Chance You, It's been
Speaker 1: its favorite show. Good, great, it is a good it's
Speaker 1: great two years of it. Juco just it's really it's
Speaker 1: really good show. Sounds like this is season three over
Speaker 1: here for the for the Cowboys. But when that happens,
Speaker 1: when that happens, it's like, uh, yeah, this is my
Speaker 1: last chance. I'm going down swinging. I want a new
Speaker 1: old line coach. I want a new receivers coach. There
Speaker 1: you go, change it up, there you go. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see if it all works. Let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back. I do want to talk about
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little bit about NFL playoffs.
Speaker 1: So interesting games last weekend, to say the least, fun
Speaker 1: weekend to watch football, especially if you didn't have a
Speaker 1: dog in the fight, because there were some really weird
Speaker 1: things that happened. Um, and I want to get into
Speaker 1: some of it. I will say this real quick though.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this on off the air just
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. You have to go down that route.
Speaker 1: I mean, with all the Michael Vicks. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: can we just change that up? Maybe a dog in
Speaker 1: the fight? I mean, sorry, yeah, let's change that up.
Speaker 1: Welcome to two eight change. You can't say anything I
Speaker 1: used to know? But no, Okay, so you didn't have
Speaker 1: a team you were rooting for. Is that enough for you? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's work with that. Um, but you didn't care who won.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking to myself, like, what was that.
Speaker 1: I guess that would have been Sunday night, right around
Speaker 1: midnight or so. I was thinking. Saints right now are
Speaker 1: landing back in New Orleans and they're waking up, you know,
Speaker 1: because everybody fell asleep on the flight and they're waking
Speaker 1: up and looking around like did that really just happen
Speaker 1: to us? Like are we really out of it? And Brian,
Speaker 1: you were talking about the finality of all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've experienced. We've experienced a couple of years ago and
Speaker 1: back they when you thought for a second, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna win this game and then just like that, not
Speaker 1: only have you lose though, right, never like that? Huh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: yeah like that. No, the Minnesota thing was way different.
Speaker 1: That was that was some miraculous thing where you kind
Speaker 1: of like there had to be some greater power that engine.
Speaker 1: You're at that, like, how does that happen? Right? But
Speaker 1: I want to say is you have to try. You
Speaker 1: have to try to lose a game like that, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of you have to just say, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna duck in and not get a PI. Oh he didn't.
Speaker 1: He did not get a PI. Yeah he didn't. Not
Speaker 1: for him, he didn't know. But poor kid, I know,
Speaker 1: he's a great player and he's good, good, gonna be
Speaker 1: a good he was gonna be fine, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: It's just a hard thing to do. Sat Slaus. That
Speaker 1: game in the first half turnover. Yeah they didn't play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't play their best ball in the you know.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like I'm sure yeah when
Speaker 1: you talk about not having any bundant to root for,
Speaker 1: like either way, whoever won the game? Like, I guarantee
Speaker 1: you I got some of these tweets and it's always
Speaker 1: Cowboys related about you know, everything just turns back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And I'm sure there was a lot of
Speaker 1: just deleades of I can't believe Jerry Jones would let
Speaker 1: Sean Payton go. Oh yeah, I can't believe Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: would let Mike Zimmer go. I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happened. That's how it goes. But there was
Speaker 1: a general theme I think this weekend that seems to
Speaker 1: be a little bit different than what than something we've
Speaker 1: seen before. I was convinced that eventually, when you got
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, the quarterback play would matter, and it
Speaker 1: would matter in some instances more than the defenses, because
Speaker 1: you had a lot of teams that were really good
Speaker 1: defensive teams and you had quarterbacks that you just didn't
Speaker 1: I'll speak for myself, I really didn't believe in I
Speaker 1: didn't think that they had the ability to go and
Speaker 1: win in the playoffs and and make plays they were
Speaker 1: gonna need to make in playoff games, because that happens
Speaker 1: in playoff games. I don't care what kind of defense
Speaker 1: you got, They're gonna have to be moments where back
Speaker 1: has to make a play. I didn't think those quarterbacks would,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them did this last weekend, and
Speaker 1: their defense were able to carry them along with their
Speaker 1: quarterbacks playing, in my opinion, maybe a little bit above
Speaker 1: their heads. You saw Nick Foles play live. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Nick Foles was a disaster that last game. I
Speaker 1: mean to the point where you're like, there's no way.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're Philadelphia's defense. And it still might be
Speaker 1: the case. But if you look at Nick Foles, Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson did a really nice job of calling a game
Speaker 1: for him. You know, he knew, Okay, my defense is
Speaker 1: good enough here today. You know, that's what you talk
Speaker 1: about coaches knowing the condition of their team and knowing
Speaker 1: what they have to do in a game. He says, Okay,
Speaker 1: keep throwing the ball short. Keep throwing it short. They're
Speaker 1: not going to carry the fast option right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly let's keep doing things. Let's keep doing things that
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles can do. You know, early in the
Speaker 1: game he was awful and you're like going, oh, no,
Speaker 1: here we go, it's gonna go. But he outplayed Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, that's that's where that's where
Speaker 1: that you have to look at. That's where coaching comes
Speaker 1: in a little bit, right there, get their quarterback actually
Speaker 1: play better. When you look at the teams that advanced
Speaker 1: to this championship weekend, for all four of them, women
Speaker 1: are in the top five as far as scoring defense.
Speaker 1: It does somewhat suggests to me that defense is a
Speaker 1: good viable way even if your quarterback play is enough
Speaker 1: to speed for you to get there. You think, and
Speaker 1: I guess when you turn the question then back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, do you think the Cowboys are trending in
Speaker 1: the right way defensively? You did? Like what you saw
Speaker 1: a little bit from the cornerbacks and the secondary is
Speaker 1: they were starting to mature a little bit. You hope
Speaker 1: at least that Jalen Smith is going to continue to
Speaker 1: take the next step and be a better player than
Speaker 1: he was this year. He saw a couple of flashes.
Speaker 1: You hope that DeMarcus Lawrence number one is back and
Speaker 1: number two continues to be the dominant defensive end that
Speaker 1: he was this year. So there are some things that
Speaker 1: make you hopeful, But what are your just overall thoughts
Speaker 1: of this defense when you're competing against teams like this
Speaker 1: to have really great defenses. In my case, I feel,
Speaker 1: I mean i feel a lot more hopeful and more
Speaker 1: excited towards the future of this defense just because I've
Speaker 1: seen some improvement and just looking at the playoffs, honestly,
Speaker 1: it just upsets me because seeing those teams playing and
Speaker 1: the turnout, I just go back with the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I truly believe that the Cowboys do have talent. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have plenty of resources, they have all the resources
Speaker 1: they need. They have talent, but it's just not being
Speaker 1: used the way it should be used. And I remember
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season several players actually told
Speaker 1: me this that they felt that the coaches weren't placing
Speaker 1: them in the right position, they weren't used the right
Speaker 1: way so for them to succeed. And again, it's just
Speaker 1: upsetting to see something go to waste like that. What's
Speaker 1: going to be your biggest question going into camp next year.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody likes to talk about the pass rush.
Speaker 1: What's going to be your question? Because you feel like
Speaker 1: maybe the pass rush is taking care of it though,
Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, I mean, so what's going to be
Speaker 1: the big question? Safety? I've always been with the safety
Speaker 1: and honestly, I mean we've seen it. Honestly, to me,
Speaker 1: at this point, it's just I just feel like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You can have the greatest talent, but if
Speaker 1: you're not coaching him right or placing him in the
Speaker 1: right spot in position, it's not So you're more concerned
Speaker 1: about coaching than you are really the players. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: but you also have to take in part that any
Speaker 1: most players that are out of the league, there's a
Speaker 1: reason for it. If you go ask any player that's
Speaker 1: been out of the league, if it lasts maybe four
Speaker 1: or five years, you know, they got hurt, they didn't
Speaker 1: get you know, they didn't somebody didn't put them in
Speaker 1: the right position. That doesn't always mean that it's bad coaching.
Speaker 1: It just means you know, you're not maybe you're not
Speaker 1: doing your job. Like for instance, like Bryce was saying
Speaker 1: that the other day, and there are some things that
Speaker 1: he said that you kind of agree with Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, when your best season a twenty one catches
Speaker 1: and it was with Oakland who traded you, you know,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't done better than that. It's hard for
Speaker 1: anybody like a Michael Irvin sit there and go, who
Speaker 1: is this guy? You know? And I and I really
Speaker 1: wonder whose fifth receiver has ever made it to first take? This?
Speaker 1: Is he changing? Him challenging the receivers? If he challenged Williams,
Speaker 1: would you have felt better about his argument? Yeah? If
Speaker 1: he doesn't challenge the receiving cores, but he challenges Yeah,
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, I'm challenging. Yeah, there's a reason, you know,
Speaker 1: but he somebody kind of did because he said, you
Speaker 1: look at the money he got paid, right, But I
Speaker 1: think overall we trying to win. Yeah, he did kind
Speaker 1: of challenge. This is where you say, I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you there because if he's challenging Williams spot but
Speaker 1: you know he plays X. I mean it's the same
Speaker 1: position as Deaz and I. I mean, so I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there thinking, I understand challenging Williams. I
Speaker 1: get that because I think he's a better player than
Speaker 1: Willie too. Yeah, honestly, I think and the way I
Speaker 1: looked at it, him challenging Dez was more about the
Speaker 1: him saying, look, you got a guy that got more
Speaker 1: within one hundred targets, there were plenty opportunities when you
Speaker 1: could have gotten me more involved, right, And with the
Speaker 1: opportunities I got, I felt like I did the most
Speaker 1: with him. He averaged over twenty yards per cats. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's saying, here's the guy that got the most receptions,
Speaker 1: and what did he do with them. You look at that,
Speaker 1: and you take some of those away, and you send
Speaker 1: him my way, we would have been a better team.
Speaker 1: That was his argument, I think, more so than just
Speaker 1: challenging Dez directly and saying I'm a better player than Dez,
Speaker 1: more just saying you spend a lot of your reason,
Speaker 1: a lot of your time going to him. See that's
Speaker 1: where Garrett loses me, because you'll say, well, you have
Speaker 1: to spread the ball around. You really didn't. Didn't spread
Speaker 1: the ball around, you know, and right, and Dez Bryant's
Speaker 1: gonna get targets. But this is where Butler's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: When Jason Garrett stands up and somebody like Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: asked a question about well what about getting Cole Beasley?
Speaker 1: But what about getting Ryan Switzer ball? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd like to get everybody involved. Well, no, you really don't.
Speaker 1: You really don't. You're throwing one guy a hundred targets.
Speaker 1: This sperg doesn't get everyone involved. Oh, it will be stupid.
Speaker 1: Not at first and the ball to Elliott, throw the
Speaker 1: ball to Bryant, throw the ball for first downs to win,
Speaker 1: and then let's figure this thing out. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of Pittsburgh. I'm changing up a little bit. Um,
Speaker 1: is there any doubt that, I mean, Todd Gurley will
Speaker 1: make a big case for it. And but Levion Bell
Speaker 1: is not the best running back in the league. He
Speaker 1: wants to get paid that way. But I think you
Speaker 1: saw right there. Give me Zeke all day long. Now,
Speaker 1: if I don't play fantasy football, I mean, if I
Speaker 1: play fantasy football, totally different with Levion Bell, because Levion
Speaker 1: Bell is gonna get you all these these points and
Speaker 1: all these catches, and that really aren't you know, they're
Speaker 1: kind of explain me why you say he's not the
Speaker 1: best running back, because there were times in that game
Speaker 1: when his cute style of wait, wait, wait, that doesn't
Speaker 1: work against Jacksonville, and it didn't work there, and I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking, I watched the game, and I'm just thinking, man,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Zeke right there. I'd love to
Speaker 1: have Zeke fourth and one, smash it right in there.
Speaker 1: And and yes, he is very productive, and most teams
Speaker 1: would love to have Leveon Bell, and he's gonna ask
Speaker 1: to be paid that way, receiver, running back, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I just think some of those stats are hollow,
Speaker 1: and I think fantasy football plays a part into it.
Speaker 1: And he's not the guy that I want rounding into
Speaker 1: the goal line fourth and one. You're not throwing it
Speaker 1: over the middle to Juju Smith. You're gonna hand the
Speaker 1: ball off. Now, I get you, And I think that
Speaker 1: I don't think they're hollow because I think this is
Speaker 1: a classic case of the two styles of running backs.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the Barry Sanders versus Emmett Smith. Right,
Speaker 1: you got the one guy that's that's flashy and has
Speaker 1: all the moves and can get out of trouble. And yes,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take some negative plays because sometimes they're trying
Speaker 1: to do too much. They're trying to instead of just
Speaker 1: taking it right up the gut right and getting the
Speaker 1: four yards or the three yards or even the one yard,
Speaker 1: they kind of dance around and they get you the
Speaker 1: negative two, right. But there are also those plays where
Speaker 1: dancing around may turn what would have been a negative
Speaker 1: play into a thirty yard run. Right. So I just
Speaker 1: think it's a different style. You're right, there's some things
Speaker 1: that Zeke does infinitely better than Levion Bell. Also think
Speaker 1: there's some things that Levon Bell does that are better
Speaker 1: than what Zeke does. If I'm if I'm choosing the
Speaker 1: guy I'd rather have coming out of the backfield, I
Speaker 1: still have not seen that pass catching guy that we
Speaker 1: thought we were getting with Ezekiel Elliott here. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him do that regularly yet. He has not been
Speaker 1: a great pass catching running back out of the back
Speaker 1: of That's not on the not on the on the
Speaker 1: level of a Levion Bell. No, no, but Levon Bell
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't run the ball at the middle of the way.
Speaker 1: And that's but that's my point, like there are things
Speaker 1: that each one does ye well and not so well.
Speaker 1: Her point as well. It was earlier about talking about
Speaker 1: the coaches and putting guys in position. Now, you're right,
Speaker 1: could somebody come in and say, hey, listen, man and
Speaker 1: maybe Paul Alexander. You know the screen package we had
Speaker 1: or this this running back package we had in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: that got Mixon and those guys, Gio Bernard got those
Speaker 1: guys going well, hey what about this? Using this with
Speaker 1: Zeke and all of a sudden Scott Linehank goes, we
Speaker 1: haven't done enough. Way. You're right, that's a good way.
Speaker 1: That's a good way of doing. But when we go
Speaker 1: to the every game, we see it every game, and
Speaker 1: what do we see two hours before the game, when
Speaker 1: we get on the field, what do we see. We
Speaker 1: see Zach Martin, Yeah, growing the ball, Travis Frederick on
Speaker 1: deep passes okay, and Frederick always gets yeah, yeah always.
Speaker 1: It doesn't always look pretty. I don't know how many guards, centers,
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers that are doing that which they actually moved,
Speaker 1: you know pretty well. You got a guy with good
Speaker 1: hands with Zeke. There's really no reason to not have
Speaker 1: a better screen game than they do. And so I
Speaker 1: agree with you there, and I think I think Zeke,
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about guys that are six games.
Speaker 1: That's the good point. Can't dispute that. But I but
Speaker 1: but I do think that when you're talking about a
Speaker 1: flashy player like Levon Bell and that one that's a
Speaker 1: real gritty Zeke to me is a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: Zeke to me is closer to Walter Payton than him
Speaker 1: at Smith because he is a nasty football player that's
Speaker 1: got flair, that's got athletic ability, but when it's time
Speaker 1: to duck his head and get you know, he could
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I would say I'd be interested to
Speaker 1: see if you if you if you ask defenders, who
Speaker 1: would you not want to play to have to tackle?
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they would sell. They
Speaker 1: would say Zeke. Well for different reasons, right the look back, right,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna hurt. The physicality, the physicality of wearing
Speaker 1: you out game after game after or down after down
Speaker 1: after down. Currently might be the you know, or the
Speaker 1: best in the league. Yeah. To be honest, I think
Speaker 1: that the three of them are equally good. I think
Speaker 1: they all have different skill sets that make them good.
Speaker 1: So it took Sean McVay was the best thing that
Speaker 1: ever happened to Gurly. Yeah, and the end of that
Speaker 1: quarterback as well, So real quick we got about three
Speaker 1: minutes left. We do this normally on our show on
Speaker 1: a game week, we get predictions. I want to get
Speaker 1: predictions from you guys on who's gonna win these, uh
Speaker 1: these upcoming games this week in NFL, NFC, in AFC
Speaker 1: championship games, and then who do you think is gonna
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. You've got Philadelphia and Minnesota matching
Speaker 1: up in Philadelphia this week, and then you have jackson
Speaker 1: heading to New England. Let's start first with you, Brian,
Speaker 1: give me some winners for those two games, and then
Speaker 1: who you think is gonna win Super Well, it always
Speaker 1: feels like that there's gonna be a home team's gonna win,
Speaker 1: and then a visitor is gonna win. And this is
Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm gonna be over two, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Minnesota's gonna win the home The home
Speaker 1: game are actually on the road, but I'm gonna switch
Speaker 1: it up. I'm gonna say that both road teams. I'm
Speaker 1: calling for the upset in New England. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville defensively and I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: they play Grinkowski, I really am. And would you take
Speaker 1: a chance of putting Ramsey on him and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a chance with a Bouyer and Gibson,
Speaker 1: a Church and those guys. What other receiving threat, Yeah exactly, Yeah, whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever else? The guy that could beat you in New
Speaker 1: England is Gronkowski. That's the one. I think that Jacksonville's
Speaker 1: good enough up front to keep them from running the football.
Speaker 1: So can you put pressure, get Brady's eye level down,
Speaker 1: make him look at the rush and then cover on
Speaker 1: the back end, hold the football rush straight him. That's
Speaker 1: what's gonna be. Can Bortles be good enough? That's gonna
Speaker 1: be your big question too. But yeah, give me, give
Speaker 1: me the two road teams this weekend and kind of
Speaker 1: weird football weekend. Who wins the Super Bowl? I will
Speaker 1: go with. I'll tell you what I'll stick with, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville. I think that's team in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville's got the I think they got they
Speaker 1: run the football, the quarterback is protected a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Minnesota's got a great defense, But I think I feel like, though,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the defense travels running games travel,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's got a combination and Tom Coughlin in that building
Speaker 1: and Doug Morone and those guys. I feel like they've
Speaker 1: got that kind of that toughness about him. Could be
Speaker 1: way wrong, but I said it for them about a
Speaker 1: minute there, all right, Amber, that's gonna be a good
Speaker 1: game to watch. I mean, Jacksonville and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to bet against New England. It's to the
Speaker 1: point that it's just like, Okay, yeah, that's the money
Speaker 1: winner right there. But I just think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good matchup. But still, I'm just gonna stick with
Speaker 1: New England and then Minnesota probably. I think I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that the Eagles have been able to get this far
Speaker 1: with like their quarterback. Both teams should have lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both teams should have lost in their games. They really
Speaker 1: should have last week. But maybe I just can't put
Speaker 1: my money on the Eagles. I don't like them. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with the other team in Minnesota
Speaker 1: and super Bowl. Just to Brady a right supposed expert,
Speaker 1: real expert. Um. You know the teams that have gotten
Speaker 1: um Tom Brady out of the playoffs, the Giants, Tom Coughlin,
Speaker 1: who um, the Ravens, you know they can get after him,
Speaker 1: and I know Jacksonville can't do. Denver has as well
Speaker 1: obviously with with those guys. But you know, I've never
Speaker 1: heard so much talk about how great a defense was.
Speaker 1: They gave up forty two points, Like I mean, they
Speaker 1: they they can be exposed as well. Now, I know
Speaker 1: they game was a kind of a shootout and they
Speaker 1: can take a life. But this ain't the two. This
Speaker 1: ain't the Baltimore Ravens from two thousand, This ain't Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers from two thousand. It spreaks a good offense, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it held offload nothing the way before.
Speaker 1: I think New England will will win this game. I agree,
Speaker 1: it's hard to bet against them at home. Um and
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, but I'm gonna go with with
Speaker 1: Philadelphia to win the game. And it's weird because I
Speaker 1: don't want to see Philadelphia in there, just mainly because
Speaker 1: of them, and I love the fact that their fans
Speaker 1: will still have zero um and UM, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to see a home team in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And I know you think that it's not going to
Speaker 1: be that way, but I disagree. I think you're you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a very oh at the super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to hear this will
Speaker 1: be this New England Philly. Yeah, this would be a
Speaker 1: test case though, if Minnesota does get in, if future
Speaker 1: for future super Bowls, what works and what doesn't go?
Speaker 1: You know, because they're gonna learn the practice at their
Speaker 1: facility if they get in. Yeah, and it's so it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be weird different. But that could also be
Speaker 1: and I was having this conversation my nephews other today,
Speaker 1: this could also be a distraction. That's what you don't
Speaker 1: know about super Bowls not being being in your home city. Friends,
Speaker 1: families still all around. Everybody in the city is still
Speaker 1: patting you on the back every time you walk out
Speaker 1: of your door. Like that could be a bigger distraction
Speaker 1: than having to pick up your team and move to
Speaker 1: another city. Well, yeah, you still got fans around, but
Speaker 1: you don't have people that are at arms linked to
Speaker 1: you and now have access. I get that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: they take them and put them in a hotel, but
Speaker 1: still you're in the city marks and they are more
Speaker 1: accessible to all of your normal environment. That might also
Speaker 1: be like all the other hangers on and stuff like
Speaker 1: that that are now they're with you in the same city.
Speaker 1: That that could be a distraction, but that their facility,
Speaker 1: they can cut people off, you know, they could keep
Speaker 1: people away if they just kind of contain their think,
Speaker 1: who'd you got? I'm actually this weekend, my rooting interests
Speaker 1: will be different from what I think is going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ultimately think Philadelphia and New England get in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want either one of them in. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want Jacksonville to win that game to the dark Side,
Speaker 1: and then I want, I actually want to see Jacksonville
Speaker 1: win the championship because I don't want to see I
Speaker 1: want to see that young team develop. I like that team,
Speaker 1: I have fun, I like watching you know who does
Speaker 1: it want to see Jacksonville, Minnesota the NFL. But I
Speaker 1: will say this, I do think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, once again, I think quarterback matters, and I
Speaker 1: think because of that, New England is up winning it. Sure.
Speaker 1: I think in all of these games, I think it's
Speaker 1: still gonna come down to Tom Brady is infinitely, infinitely
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than any of these other three, and
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna matter. Every thought that about Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan and Foles. Didn't we Matt Ryan's a little more
Speaker 1: flaky than Tom Brady, But I get your point. You're
Speaker 1: right about that. I thought more about that about New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I thought that you used to pull it out right.
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